assassination

[rigid mango]

Sounds great dude

[arctic walrus]

Wow guys, 1/10 rogues to kill ashvane was outlaw

MUST BE THE BEST

[wide niche]

i mean he did the most damage

[lone junco]

most respect to the guy that played outlaw even when he clearly shouldnt

mongo sub shoulder dfa? negative. bracers ring outlaw

[jolly agate]

Must have gotten 5x buffs throughout the whole fight

[lone junco]

6b 3 times.

[pale cave]

I am so confused... pawn / mr robot are saying a 168 vers ring is better than a 361 crit/124 haste ring... am i capped on those stats and how would I know? Cos I cannot figure out why the vers ring is being called better when crit/haste are supposedly my priority stats

[lone junco]

Lol

@pale cave just use raidbots and sim compare the items. pawn weights are not good.

[arctic walrus]

It's like the same people who say sub is good the first day of a new raid

[lone junco]

right. especially when the 1 sub log is a sin player on a reclear.

[pale cave]

ok thanks will do

[arctic walrus]

Next raid I'm gonna go sub just to get full 100 parses

[pale cave]

even though i imported, the string from raidbots to pawn?

i got the pawn string from raidbots

[lone junco]

@pale cave you need to understand how weights work

[drifting cloud]

its still an approximation because weights can change when you swap 1-2 items alot sometimes

just use top gear on raidbots

[lone junco]

it is for the NEXT ~200 ? stats, if you take off a ring, then you are dropping stats. then gaining something else

stat weights in general are a guide for what is important, but not as good as a gear compare tool

[fast canopy]

So i just unlocked 55neck I have tier 3 memory of lucid dreams... i thought i could put it in both but apparently i cant.. what should i put there?

[cerulean walrus]

Sim it

[rigid mango]

You get the minor with the major

[fast canopy]

I thought that was the case but wasnt sure. As far as siming it.. i could but are they all pretty much equal are people preferring one over another?

[rigid mango]

r3 blood M + lucid m

[lone junco]

depends on the content, but a lot are using lucid minor

[rigid mango]

is giga before life force

r3 life force isn't as good as I thought

[lost horizon]

i want them to obliterate life force

but they won't

[rigid mango]

Same

I think it gets outscaled though

[lost horizon]

i sure hope so

[lone junco]

@fast nacelle you main something besides rogue this tier?

[lost horizon]

i grinded rank 3 BotE as a big anti-pvper and it's so rewarding to actually use

[rigid mango]

it's only a 350-400 dps gain

[drifting cloud]

guess you werent anti pvp enough

[rigid mango]

^^

[lost horizon]

i'm just very pro damage

first week honour bonus + like all my guildies working on it helped it be a lot less painful than i thought it'd be

[cinder sparrow]

i can comfirm...

did 0 bg's first week.. i regreat

regret*

[drifting cloud]

I dont

its not bis enough for me to pvp

[sterile tinsel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[drifting cloud]

if it was 1k above 2nd best combo id consider it

[cinder sparrow]

its -/+ 1k

depend on gear i guess

[crystal vessel]

why isnt clockwork heart listed on herodamage?

[rigid mango]

Why isn't what?

[crystal vessel]

Clockwork heart is an azerite trait.

it isnt listed on hero damage.

[rigid mango]

What pieces has it?

[tribal marlin]

Mecagon

[drifting cloud]

as long as it sims correctly, who cares

[crystal vessel]

330 haste/mastery/crit/vers for 12 seconds. once a minute in combat.

[rigid mango]

It's probably not that good in that case

[crystal vessel]

20% uptime on 330 to all secondary stats?

[rigid mango]

Sim it then

[drifting cloud]

problem is its on 415 azerite

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/ohkw3m

@crystal vessel that's comparing to ttk np shoulders

[arctic walrus]

Why do you think it would be good

compared to current ones

[rigid mango]

[placid dawn]

just got a 450 coral

[uncut cape]

gz

[placid dawn]

still 415 wep though

[uncut cape]

do we stack and use it with vendeta or use it on CD?

[placid dawn]

with vendetta

its on the pins

[uncut cape]

thanks mate

do you use coral in M+ aswell?

[tribal marlin]

my 435 gorak tul outsim 445 DD+Loyal

by like a lot

and they are equal to DD+Loyal with 4people Loyal buff

[solemn meadow]

did you set the stacks?

of Loyal

[worn snow]

What stats you use for AoE in mythic plus? I go crit mastery and some versa but I really feels very bad with tyranic this week, need some haste as well :(

[solemn meadow]

because for me loyal with 4 ppl

sims like 200 dps higher

[tribal marlin]

than 435 gorak tul ?

yes I did set loyal to 4 people and it was about equal I don't remember the exact numbers

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tVN8WJVnbZrnUKvyqPo2ZY

no I mean than NP

your shoulders probably dont have Overwhelming

[tribal marlin]

No they dont

The only other should that do have OP is NP + TTK

(in the raid I mean)

and how dafuq did you already have 445 shoulders from m+ -.-

[solemn meadow]

gambled?

if you do a +16 every week

you get 24000 smth

I scrapped all my old shit azerite

• got a titan residuum island map

[tribal marlin]

Lucky you get good shoulder 😮

[solemn meadow]

second best

[vapid scarab]

@minor thicket damage

[solemn meadow]

I mean I have to gamble chest and shoulders

[tribal marlin]

I used 20k titanium to get Gorak tul 430

[solemn meadow]

I don't even bother with 430

[tribal marlin]

There was no way I buy 445 shoulder and got shit stuff

[solemn meadow]

I will get 445 blackwater chest next week hopefully

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bJDXJbSqCJNUUmsStFuZaz

that's my current sim

I wish I had sockets on my rings

or the mechagon rings

so garbage to have super titanforge rings that get outperformed by sockets

[tribal marlin]

I can't wait to get good setup in 3150320 weeks tbh

I need the damage now

so I buy 430 shoulders to replace for my old crappy ones

[solemn meadow]

idk what you are doing but I do damage

didnt you have 415 gorak tul?

[tribal marlin]

no

Didn't have this chance

[solemn meadow]

did you start with 8.2?

I mean to play again

[tribal marlin]

no

I bought a lot of random pieces

[solemn meadow]

well for me it's not worth to gamble 430 pieces

I just gamble 445 get shit

get depressed

and try again

[tribal marlin]

as I said I need the damage now so

Prefer having gorak 435 now than keep playing with shit BoD shoulder for 2 resets

or worst, spent 47k in shoulder and get like SoB + EB shoulder xD

[solemn meadow]

probably an upgrade over 415 tho

not much

[tribal marlin]

dude you have 435 socket dagger and 445 dagger from raid

• DD NP Shouldres

wtf is that luck

• Corak AND font -.-

I'm out this is ridiculous xD (I killed 18 hc boss + 3m boss + 9 seal and I got 1 loot, at least it was the trinket. Had to do 25 m+ run to get a 430 dagger with shit stat tho)

[low junco]

@tribal marlin all i got was the shitty chestpiece, (killed the same amount of bosses like you)

weirdchamp

[tribal marlin]

Well he may be incredibly lucky or just did 100 split run with 8 different rogue xD

[onyx hedge]

got mad becuase i got the same ring again from crafting, found out you can wear 2 and now 😄

30% crit pogu

[still pewter]

@solemn meadow how did you have enough to buy 445 year wtf?

[drifting cloud]

he literally wrote it

[nimble tartan]

If you aren’t 445 ilvl don’t look at me

[still pewter]

Oh, sounds like a job not a game

[drifting cloud]

yeah that one weekly dungeon is such hardcore

and getting a map mission from islands

[subtle anchor]

what minor are most people running in m+

[fallen steeple]

whats best trait setup for dungeons?

[unkempt karma]

People seem to run EB and SS, but sim is the key.

[rigid mango]

No it isn't

Sin m+ sims are wack as fuck

[cerulean walrus]

Oh right Dungeon slice is scuffed

Lulw

[unkempt karma]

You could follow the trait chart on herodamage

Pick traits for add fights.

[vapid scarab]

herodamage is based off of sims..

[unkempt karma]

And that's what people say, sim. If not cleave fight Sims should work if dungeon slice is not working

[vapid scarab]

you can't sim m+....

[unkempt karma]

So for those asking. You can't, and you won't seem to get an awnser regarding the question.

[vapid scarab]

I mean

the answer is that you don't sim

[civic palm]

I can give you an answer.

I promise.

[vapid scarab]

and you run SS/TtK/EB

depending on dungeon/affixes

[fallen steeple]

reason for ttk?

[civic palm]

DMG

o _O

[vapid scarab]

prio dmg

[unkempt karma]

Envenom damage :)

[fallen steeple]

no st traits for tyrannical week?

like NP?

[vapid scarab]

no

SS and TtK are good enough

[fallen steeple]

how many of ea trait?

2?

[rigid mango]

Minimum 1 eb 1 ss trait

[vapid scarab]

some combination depending on dungeon/affixes

[rigid mango]

Optimal setups atm

Are as follows:

[vapid scarab]

2/2/2 is not bad

[rigid mango]

2 ttk 2 eb 2 ss, 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss

I'd not recommend 3 ttk for people new

If you're very new, heavier SS and or EB counts are way easier to playu

TTK is one of the real skillchecks of sin in m+

[raven locust]

Pressing envenom has become a skill check T_T

[fallen steeple]

reason?

[rigid mango]

Using prio damage efficiently is the skillcheck

Learning sin is easy

Minmaxing sin might be one of if not the hardest spec in the game for m+

[violet yew]

Laughs in shadow priest

[plucky stream]

do we use unbridled fury for prepot? or do we use focused resolve?

[marble hemlock]

you'll have plenty of time to practice SP on dummies though while you get declined for 50keys in a row

[civic palm]

woopwoop

[drifting cloud]

[violet yew]

That's why the cool priests just heal

[civic palm]

or just be SIN and get declined just as well.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid mango]

holy/disc in keys

[violet yew]

Disc is bae fakkayou

[crisp hazel]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[subtle anchor]

does double dose scale with mastery?

[spice frost]

Did a 13

UR with 3 sin rogues

was fun

you guys should try all sin rogue groups!

[vapid scarab]

Yes @subtle anchor , also procs more when you have envenom buff up

so you pool energy before env to spam mut during the buff

[subtle anchor]

ok so is that why mastery without ss or sub is so heavily valued on single target?

[vapid scarab]

how are SS/sub and DD related

[glacial vault]

who has coral trinket here? how do i use this as sin ma

am i just popping this shit on cd?

[vapid scarab]

macro it to vendetta

use it again as vendetta ends

[pale cave]

Is it good to be going crimson tempest for M+ like Motherlode this week?

[vapid scarab]

no

[civic palm]

No.

[vapid scarab]

CT is a wasted GCD

[subtle anchor]

what i meant is i understand why mastery is good with SS/sub but i didnt know why it was good without having a focus on bleeds

[vapid scarab]

because it increases poison damage

[pale cave]

What is best for area dmg for M+ as sin?

just garotte everything and fan?

[vapid scarab]

depends how many DD/TtK/EB traits you have

[pale cave]

ah lemme see

2 DD / 0 TK / 1 EB

Should i replace my Scent of Blood on my vest with Twist?

hmm I think AMR said scent but I know AMR is often way off...

I guess i can just try it but then I'd have to reforge a few times

Sasquatch, so lets say 2x DD, 1x Twist, and 1 Echo

[vapid scarab]

what are your other 2 traits

also, stop going to AMR for anything

[pale cave]

yeah Ive gotten disillusioned by AMR recently

other two traits? sorry? on what piece?

[vapid scarab]

you listed 4 traits

you have 6 traits total

[pale cave]

well you asked me about 3 so i asked if i should replace one with the other

which is the 4th

[vapid scarab]

and now I am asking you, what are your other 2 traits

[pale cave]

i dont follow

[vapid scarab]

ok man

each piece of armor has 2 traits on it

you have 3 pieces of azerite

2x3=6

[pale cave]

ah i see

[vapid scarab]

you told me what 4 of your traits are

what are the other 2

[pale cave]

Hood: Shrouded / DD, Shoulder: Echo / NP

[vapid scarab]

ok, take SS and EB on those 2

[pale cave]

those are the ones i have at the moment

so thats good 😉

[vapid scarab]

what are the other options on your 2 DD pieces

[pale cave]

Shrouded Suff on one, on hood and same on shoulder but i use EB shoulder

[vapid scarab]

ok, you should take SS over DD

[pale cave]

yeah

in raid I believe I dont

[vapid scarab]

correct

[pale cave]

yeah my raid set is 2 x DD

[vapid scarab]

so for m+ with your current pieces, you should be taking 1 DD, 2 SS, 2 EB, 1 TtK

[pale cave]

ok lets see if i can do that without reforging my raid pieces

brb

thanks Sas

[vapid scarab]

what

you have other azerite pieces to?

[pale cave]

yeah i have separate shoulders i use for raid then M+

[vapid scarab]

ok, get rid of the 1x DD if you can for another SS/EB/TtK if you can

[tribal marlin]

I wonder if I should go Rotational Gizmo or Barrage for m+

[pale cave]

i can do that

[tribal marlin]

tyrannical

Barrage seems to be a huge boss dmg loss :/

[pale cave]

On my chest second circle, I can choose Loyal to the End or SS... but I already have main SS on my hood... is loyal to the end worth going for that second circle?

[vapid scarab]

no

[pale cave]

oh right cos its mastery?

I do have a [Fathomstalker Shoulderpads] with twist, but its only 390 and i need more pearls toi upgrade it

[vapid scarab]

don't use anything that isn't an ilvl upgrade

or equivalent

[pale cave]

yep im waiting til i can get that shoulder to 430

[vapid scarab]

loyal is not worth for m+ not because it's mastery, it's because you need other people to run it for it to outperform a spec trait

[pale cave]

ahhh

I do have 40k residuum saved up but i'm just holding it for now

[placid dawn]

where do i get the id for benthic pieces so i cam sim?

[rigid mango]

Just use gear compare

[placid dawn]

i dont have the piece man

[rigid mango]

Soooo, use gear compare?

[sharp viper]

@placid dawn https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/gear

[nimble tartan]

which bosses are aberrations

[white basalt]

Why does my energy regen feel so much higher during raids than it does doing dailies or whatever? Am I crazy?

[rigid mango]

@nimble tartan orgozoa and zaq

[nimble tartan]

ty

[opaque tree]

Where are you guys' Crit and Mastery standing about now? Just curious

[rigid mango]

33% and 41%

[opaque tree]

geez

i'm at 28% crit and 36% mastery, but i switch major essences depending on boss fights, and then sims want me to change my gems when I do that

I could regem / enchant for more mastery though

[rigid mango]

[opaque tree]

shitty spot

[sullen hearth]

Pufferfish bracers Pog. The sim better than my old stuff. Hope they are practical

[civic palm]

They're not.

[sullen hearth]

Unlucky, gotta keep fishing

[rigid mango]

They're aight

[sullen hearth]

Just cant get the frost ones with a socket

[stable oxide]

So, I got the razor Coral trinket and Font of Power. They are both use trinkets but still seems to sim crazy high together. How do I need to use them together though?

Opener is clear, I charge the Font of Power befor the pull

and use Coral as soon as I can

which is 20 sec later

But then in the fight, But should I then charge font of power, wait 20 seconds, use the Coral and do all my cooldowns then?

So that I still get 10 seconds of Font in my cooldowns?

[stable oxide]

Thanks

I saw that

!

:(

[cerulean walrus]

[civic palm]

hahahaha

[rigid mango]

I hope you know

[stable oxide]

Hurting my feelings in 2019!?

[rigid mango]

that's aimed towards miz shit thing

[stable oxide]

I thought this was a save space!

[rigid mango]

not your lack of reading capablity

[sharp viper]

no need to worry about these trinkets if they never drop 😃

[stable oxide]

shit... I already dyed my hair green and complained on Twitter :(

[tropic ocean]

wdym they never drop

syllidon can choose which loot he gets when he kills a boss

with a dropdown

[stable oxide]

xD

Yeah, but I can't make it to obvious

[tropic ocean]

[stable oxide]

So sometimes I just need to click stupid shit like bracers

[tropic ocean]

think i'm not gonna use razer

[tropic ocean]

cba to use 2 on use trinkets, think i'm gonna use inkpod+font

[civic palm]

ok

[stable oxide]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDEn2Kts9hEV9y6mAkFbmn

[sharp viper]

one too many button to click

[stable oxide]

I also simmed inkpot

Doesn't do that well

[peak quarry]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sharp viper]

what the hell is that gear

[civic palm]

Hey that first one is pretty good, IMO.

[stable oxide]

?

[sharp viper]

you are missing sockets on 3 items

[stable oxide]

I had 11 sockets :P

But then i got a 455 ring without a socket :P

Not sure if I should complain about that

And with Leatherworking, Jewelcrafting and benthic gear it's not that hard to get alot of sockets in your gear

Keep in mind that most of my socketed gear is still 415

But I do agree, i'm lucky on that part

Hmmm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iCLxbDTUaG6sWXCZ8uxzZX

Does this look normal?

Cause I basically see everyone stack crit gems

and See people on warcraftlogs who use the same essences as me that have even more crit than me also stacking crit gems

Yet for me Crit sims the lowest

[real bay]

coral probably has something to do with it

see what trinkets they use

[stable oxide]

Hmm, haven't checked that indeed

[real bay]

if they use inkpod I think that could value crit even more

[jovial prairie]

hi, new to assa and rogue. Do you pandemic subterfuge's garrote with a regular garrote? or do you let it time out

[civic palm]

Time out.

[sharp viper]

^

[civic palm]

Unless you are replacing it with ANOTHER empowered Garrote.

[jovial prairie]

thought so, thank you

[dense axle]

So if you were to go from raiding to m+, you'd want to swap out for a couple echoing blades, an SS, and switch to subterfuge. Anything else?

From the basic meta raid build

[vocal kelp]

Ttk traits

[dense axle]

Ah, ok. Thanks

[elfin tiger]

how do i stop capping energy

[civic palm]

Push buttons harder.

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-wtf-blinking-okay-gif-7513882

[elfin tiger]

i have dropped all haste items and enchants and i still cant stop capping energy

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Yeah push your buttons harder.

[rigid mango]

Please tell me you're using lucid major

[elfin tiger]

GCD btw

[rigid mango]

and you're asking about that situation

[elfin tiger]

yeah actually but even outside of lucid major I still cap

but Lucid major sims higher so idk

[unreal perch]

that's... surprising

[fast nacelle]

@lone junco nop

[rigid mango]

Like

[unreal perch]

I'm very curious how you're capping without lucid major up

[cerulean walrus]

This is a very isolated issue here

[civic palm]

Man, that sucks.

[rigid mango]

Outside of the major, do you still overcap?

[elfin tiger]

yes

[rigid mango]

How

[elfin tiger]

even during vendetta

[rigid mango]

Do you just not press buttons or

[cerulean walrus]

Are you

[civic palm]

Makes sense.

[rigid mango]

is mutilate on bars

[cerulean walrus]

Doing anything?

[unreal perch]

I mean you get more energy with vendetta but like, even then?

[elfin tiger]

No i dont use mutilate i generate with cheap shot

[unreal perch]

ok so he's a troll

[rigid mango]

trolling spec channles

[civic palm]

Trolling is a bannable offense.

[elfin tiger]

YOU are trolling

[cerulean walrus]

@meager nebula

[unreal perch]

anyways an actual question

[civic palm]

Please be considerate to the rules.

[elfin tiger]

you ask me "is mutilate on your bar"

thats not trolling

[rigid mango]

He's actually comitting

It's a genuin question

[civic palm]

We don't appreciate trolling in the spec channels, go to #off-topic for that.

[unreal perch]

how bad is the bonus threat generated from the one benthic belt? should I be worried about it messing up tanks aggro?

[civic palm]

Not bad.

[rigid mango]

Just tricks

[unreal perch]

alright because I honestly have no desire to farm for the aberration belt with a socket

[elfin tiger]

how many trolls do you get here daily to be so sensitive about someone asking a question

[unreal perch]

especially after getting 3 phys + threat socket belts

there's no logical reason for anyone honestly using cheap shot as a builder

[cerulean walrus]

@elfin tiger The way that you're explaining your issue makes it seem like you're trolling

Esp if you're using CS on a boss

[unreal perch]

especially since you straight out can't use it as a builder

[rigid mango]

One of the lowest APM specs in the game does not have issue with overcapping energy

You never cap.

[cerulean walrus]

^

[scarlet sequoia]

he was being sarcastic because you freaks asked him if he presses mutilate rofl, calm down

[civic palm]

Unless you are physically handicapped, this should not be an issue.

[elfin tiger]

@cerulean walrus thats my response to the guy who says "do you have mut on your bar"

[rigid mango]

There's no way to, if you're actually sitting at your keyboard

[elfin tiger]

who is also trolling

[cerulean walrus]

NO

[elfin tiger]

but i guess that doesnt count

[cerulean walrus]

He is not trolling

It was a genuine question

[rigid mango]

I was asking legit

[civic palm]

Even then, you'd have to have a stick TOO SHORT TO HIT YOUR KEYBOARD, to cap energy.

[rigid mango]

Idk how else you get such high energy

unless you don't press muti

[scarlet sequoia]

pretty dumb question or

[unreal perch]

mutilate on it's own is more energy than you'll be generating naturally

[cerulean walrus]

The vast majority of people have the exact opposite problem

Where they don't have enough energy

If you're capping

You're doing basically everything wrong

[unreal perch]

I've definitely been feeling the energy starve lately

[elfin tiger]

should i remove rank 3 lucid for rank 2 blood on major?

[unreal perch]

but I still pull reasonable numbers so w/e

[cerulean walrus]

No

[elfin tiger]

or just farm 35k more honor?

[cerulean walrus]

Dude..... Lucid is BiS

Until raid

r3

[elfin tiger]

i saw most people on warcraftlogs are using blood on major?

[rigid mango]

Like

have u got sims

[elfin tiger]

the top parse people

[rigid mango]

to link

[meager nebula]

you use what sims best

[rigid mango]

where u overcap like u do

[meager nebula]

its different for everyone

[elfin tiger]

patchwerk 5min good enough?

[unreal perch]

I mean, r3 blood with lucid passive is often what people run right now I believe

[rigid mango]

Yes

[unreal perch]

but still

[meager nebula]

yeah

just standard patchwerk is fine

[elfin tiger]

@unreal perch yeah that

is all i see on warcraftlogs

[unreal perch]

even then

[rigid mango]

@elfin tiger do u have any logs where you overcap energy and do you actually use cheapshot?

[unreal perch]

like having lucid as your minor won't change anything if you're capping on lucids downtime

[elfin tiger]

lucid definitely feels like a waste when i use it it just caps so fast

@rigid mango i dont use cheap shot

[unreal perch]

lucid is definitely worth it if you don't have bote r3

[rigid mango]

So how can u overcap

ever.

If you're actually playing this spec, there's no way you overcap on sin

You do the opposite, you fucking pool

[elfin tiger]

ill check if Im pressing enough buttons then

[rigid mango]

I'd be amazed if you manage to overcap

[elfin tiger]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Nb73FMYvgHrpfqtJ/30-Heroic+Lady+Ashvane+-+Kill+(8:00)/Omegalul

[rigid mango]

unless in lucid major and maybe tiny in vend

[elfin tiger]

can you check this

why is my damage so trash here

is it just my traits that are garbage

[unreal perch]

It shouldn't be difficult to get to a point where you don't have enough energy for using things on gcd

[civic palm]

Nope, don't use something that is not fully supported.

[elfin tiger]

this site says that everything is fine and I'm following rotation perfectly on paper

but still shit damage

[civic palm]

Because the website is trash and reports things incorrectly.

[cerulean walrus]

^

WoWAnalyzer is scuffed

Don't use it

[meager nebula]

better off linking your warcraft logs here and having people look through them

[elfin tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nb73FMYvgHrpfqtJ/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

this is the same fight

1 DD, 1 NP, 1 TK, 3 SS are my traits

pretty bad but I dont have a choice

maybe i should go exang idk

[rigid mango]

Why are you just not using energy whilst on max energy?

did u hav eto do mechanics?

[elfin tiger]

ye a lot

cuz our first kill i had lots of down time

and getting bubbled etc

[cerulean walrus]

Why didn't you cloak bubble?

At least the first time

[civic palm]

Poison Knife from range.

[elfin tiger]

didn't know I can, ill do that next time

[cerulean walrus]

Do it while there are <5 seconds left

Or it wont work

[elfin tiger]

well poison knife is better than doing absolutely nothing i guess when boss is far away

ye i think i got a parry on opener unlucky

[cerulean walrus]

Stand behind the boss

lmao

[elfin tiger]

the boss was literally spinning around at that stage

pretty messy

[dense cedar]

r u only overcapping in that fight or in general? @elfin tiger

[elfin tiger]

that fight especially but in general i do cap a lot

[unreal perch]

how do you get rid of the bars on timelines btw?

[cerulean walrus]

Post actionbars?

[elfin tiger]

do casts

[dense cedar]

set casts

instead of damgae

i can spell

[unreal perch]

danke

[elfin tiger]

i can send my bar later dont have it now but its pretty normal

[dense cedar]

what do u usually do when u have both garrote n' rupture going? @elfin tiger

[elfin tiger]

build with mut and use with envenom?

and use every CD on cooldown

[dense cedar]

are u only enevenoming on last second of EP?

[elfin tiger]

Yes

i try to line env with EP and refresh it

and i try to pool if i cant do that

[nimble tartan]

im really tempted to roll my 115 pearlies on my main for gloves bro

[dense cedar]

wait

[nimble tartan]

someone stop me

[dense cedar]

now im confused

how do u need to pull and also overcap

[elfin tiger]

i only over cap with CDs and stuff not all the time

[dense cedar]

pool*

[elfin tiger]

opener i 100% overcap

lucid = overcap

[dense cedar]

if ur overcapping that much just don't line up

[cerulean walrus]

Wait are you using Lucid with Vend?

[dense cedar]

ur probs losing out on more damage in TB window

[elfin tiger]

no

im lucid some time after opener

[cerulean walrus]

Good

[civic palm]

There's no problem here.

[unreal perch]

I've definitely heard different about using lucid with vendetta

[nimble tartan]

bro i need them tisu

my alts are scuffed thy only get like 5 pearlies today

[unreal perch]

namely I've heard more than a few people talking about using lucid just whenever you're below 50 energy

[nimble tartan]

what do u mean faaake

[elfin tiger]

yes i do that

[nimble tartan]

the droplets are hot bro

[elfin tiger]

I use lucid when my energy is low

and no vendetta

[civic palm]

There's no capping problem here.

[elfin tiger]

but no idea why my parse is so shit

[cerulean walrus]

You pop vendetta at your opener and when the toxic blade falls off you pop lucid

[tropic ocean]

@nimble tartan send pearls so i can roll boots

[dense cedar]

Vendetta should be up before

[elfin tiger]

I mean I originally said "capping" is the issue cuz that wowanalyzer site said it

[unreal perch]

now I'm just getting conflicting info about lucid lol

[dense cedar]

the next lucid

[elfin tiger]

but you say that site is worthless

so I guess there's another issue

[civic palm]

I assume you mean your low DPS?

Being the issue in this case.

[elfin tiger]

yes

[unreal perch]

actually no, not conflicitng from fereran

[civic palm]

Have you looked over the guide?

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[elfin tiger]

ofc

[nimble tartan]

dude i spent like 300 pearls for boots

[tropic ocean]

rookie

I rolled 140th pair of boots in yesterday wq reset

😄

[nimble tartan]

[vast monolith]

Im at 79 bracers

[tropic ocean]

fun thing is

In the process I got 25+ socketed fathom 😄

[candid jasper]

Are people still using echoing blades in m+

[unreal perch]

I gave up on the boots to just have non-socket crit boots

yes?

[tropic ocean]

@candid jasper yes

but not 3 anymore

mostly 2, sometimes evne 1

even*

[nimble tartan]

u farmin pearlies on alts aus?

[tropic ocean]

yeah

[nimble tartan]

soemtimes some days are scuffed right

[tropic ocean]

when emissary was up I used all my characters to get them

[nimble tartan]

like 5 oearls max

[tropic ocean]

yeah

[unreal perch]

shame horde doesn't get pearls for emissary today

[next needle]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[unreal perch]

only 3 alliance I can nab pearls with

[tropic ocean]

somehow the quests are different for each character

like my main got pearls for killing a rare mob quest

[unreal perch]

quests ya, it's weird

[tropic ocean]

my alt got azerite 😄

[unreal perch]

but emissary is divided by faction

[tropic ocean]

like same quest different rewards across charactrs

[unreal perch]

would be rolling in so many tokens if both factions got pearls today

[next needle]

Worth upgrading lucid dreams before i can get c ondensed life force?

[unreal perch]

yes

[dense cedar]

i need better stabbers

[tropic ocean]

yes

you will use lucid minor anyway

and the versa is big

[unreal perch]

I also need better stabbers

[next needle]

how do I even upgrade 🤣

[unreal perch]

there's no reason not to upgrade lucid

[dense cedar]

415/400

[tropic ocean]

do the quest then go to heart forge

and put it in

[next needle]

aight

[unreal perch]

ya... still better than mine Vansolo

[dense cedar]

r?

did u also come back this patch?

[unreal perch]

ye

[next needle]

Oh theres a quest

reading neck tooltip now

[dense cedar]

[nimble tartan]

is there a questoine to unlock world boss for ur alts

or can i just do it

[unreal perch]

I've had no luck with anything for daggers. I only got the conquest one and that's the best weapon I have

you have to unlock WQs on your alts for it

[dense cedar]

feels good having to get a drop of exactly 1 weapon type twice

love rogue

[unreal perch]

ya, because somehow you can't mutilate someone with a sword

physically not possible

[dense cedar]

BfA makes me appreciate what Artifact weapons did for us

[unreal perch]

I even have a druid specced for getting my rogue weapons in my raid

and still no luck

[dense cedar]

I wonder if Feral druid is still a pain to play

[tropic ocean]

the only thing I really miss about legion is the tier sets

[unreal perch]

feral is... luck based

[tropic ocean]

it felt so good playing with the inc energy bonus

[unreal perch]

very luck based

[tropic ocean]

I still used lfr pants for 4p in late mythic ^_^

[unreal perch]

feral over all is doing better but

it's still discount cat assassin

[dense cedar]

i need to do more M+

wanna go back to raiding

[unreal perch]

same

[dense cedar]

but don't want to be a reason we wipe on a dps check

[unreal perch]

I'm doing normal palace weekly

but I don't do nearly enough M+

[dense cedar]

waht ilvl u wat?

[unreal perch]

I also pull top dps in raid so idk what to say

[tropic ocean]

@nimble tartan

https://prnt.sc/ohn7yt

[unreal perch]

aside from "imagine if I had real weapons"

[tropic ocean]

at least these make it easier from time to time

[dense cedar]

rogue feels generally strong rn

[unreal perch]

I'm at 418 with bad weapons

[dense cedar]

i was doing m+ and people with 20 ilvls on me were pulling under me

[unreal perch]

assassin IS very strong atm

[tropic ocean]

rogue is probably #1 melee slot rn

wdym

[dense cedar]

so either they were all really bad

[unreal perch]

assassin parsing like top 3

[dense cedar]

or rogue is in a good spot

[tropic ocean]

parse is not what makes a class incredible strong

[dense cedar]

honestly

[tropic ocean]

rogue has giga st

[unreal perch]

well, of course not

[tropic ocean]

and best utility of any melee

[dense cedar]

as long as outlaw isn't best

[unreal perch]

but since we're talking damage wise

[dense cedar]

rogue is good

[tropic ocean]

even if rogue did less dps

cloak feint just makes it giga anyway

[dense cedar]

Cloak is op

[unreal perch]

cloak of shadows is so amazing

[dense cedar]

as we all know

also

i wonder if they will nerf Feint again

[unreal perch]

also, I like outlaw

[tropic ocean]

why would they

[unreal perch]

I don't... play it but I like it

[tropic ocean]

like rogue defense in legion was really broken

nerf was ok

[dense cedar]

idk

[tropic ocean]

now its good, since feint doesnt work on some stuff

[dense cedar]

feint still fills too strong

[tropic ocean]

if it works y

[dense cedar]

i prefer they leave it alone of course

already squisho

no need to make it moreso

[unreal perch]

I wouldn't even call us squish

[tropic ocean]

but its pretty weird how blizzard rates something as aoe or not

wdym squish?

[unreal perch]

Maybe it's just smarter play but I often end up last alive lol

[dense cedar]

was their a Feint trait in Legion?

My brain is remembering something

[silk shore]

dungeonslice sim works fine for assasination?

[dense cedar]

but i can't place it

[unreal perch]

feint had no CD for one thing

[dense cedar]

ye but like

[tropic ocean]

in legion u just spam feint anyway

[dense cedar]

some other stupid effect

like

optional i think

[tropic ocean]

the biggie in legion was

[unreal perch]

you know what would be hilarious? If Valeera's meme jeans were actually good in raid

[tropic ocean]

crimson vial 20% dmg reduction

[unreal perch]

good ol meme jeans...

[tropic ocean]

rogue was one of the few that didnt need to gut his dps by using prydaz

in higher keys

[unreal perch]

I really need to get iris...

[dense cedar]

Ah nvm

my brain is actually just piss

its an outlaw thing

[unreal perch]

assassin has made my brain only assassin

I can't play other classes to save me life almost

[dense cedar]

i wanna learn Holy Paladin

But that's a discussion for another place

Sin is the dps for mee

[vestal wren]

i guess a lot of players looking to get to rogue atm

[unreal perch]

I play a bit of holy pally

[dense cedar]

we have the best class fantasy in the game

[unreal perch]

I meant more dps classes/specs

[dense cedar]

being toxic like our poisons

[vagrant tapir]

**a lot of players looking to get to rogue since the dawn of fucking time

[dense cedar]

assassination has a very low skill floor

[unreal perch]

but whenever I try and play anything else I end up back on assassin rogue in like... a week lol

[dense cedar]

so itsn't that hard to get into

[unreal perch]

it's funny because it seems to depend who you ask

or maybe he's talking about skill cap

[dense cedar]

skill ceiling is arguable i suppose

I'd say with full certainty that the basics of sin rogue are easy to follow

[unreal perch]

idk but my raid lead seems impressed with it so I'm just gonna milk the glory

[dense cedar]

fuck

still haven't done mechagon this week

[unreal perch]

yoooo finally hit 30% base crit

[small island]

what do u want from mechagon?

[unreal perch]

essence maybe, punchcard if he doesn't have it

probably means the dungeon though so daggers?

rings from the dungeon

[dense cedar]

either dagger mainly

[unreal perch]

good luck

have you got your conquest dagger?

[dense cedar]

uh

no

[unreal perch]

that's an option if you can stand pvp lol

it's a 410 weapon

[dense cedar]

i tihnk i'll try my luck in mechagon first

gotta make sure my group does hard mode tho

[nimble tartan]

startin my 3rd alt in naz questline....

im desperate now..

[unreal perch]

ugh hard mode mechagon..

[dense cedar]

i want that mount

[unreal perch]

I do too but, I'll wait

wait until mechagon is a 2 minute fight lol

[dense cedar]

why do paladins and druids get all the cool gear

standing at the heart forge

seeing all these cool gearsets

[unreal perch]

well, paladins can't dps anymore so they need something 😉

[dense cedar]

qq

ret pally is depressing with low haste

[unreal perch]

ret pally just feels meh in general atm

[dense cedar]

crusade is fun

then when it ends i crave death

Operation Mechagon is real fun tbh except for that

slime? boss

[surreal panther]

Hi y'all, WW Monk that's gone Sin for this tier and just have a couple quick questions, not sure what I'm missing but I'm simming what seems very low for my ilvl, and the stat weights simcraft is giving me seem super out of whack too

[dense cedar]

can u post results? @surreal panther

[unreal perch]

^

slime boss is fine idk

[dense cedar]

its hella boring

just walk in a circle

wew

[unreal perch]

what's different with that than the tonks? xD

[surreal panther]

http://prntscr.com/ohndm0

[dense cedar]

tonk fight gets a special place in my heart for killing my tank twice when we first did it

[surreal panther]

I only have 2 DD, and switching to Master Assassin drops the sim by 2k as well

[unreal perch]

I amy be dumb and not seeing but, what's your ilvl?

[surreal panther]

430

And I definitely have suboptimal essences but I have Lucid major and focusing iris minor for that sim

both rank 2

[unreal perch]

focusing iris minor isn't super amazing, especially since haste is your least desired stat atm

but it shouldn't be that different hmm

[surreal panther]

Yeah I just don't know what I'm missing, I simmed a 422 sin friend, and sure he has a lot of sockets and better trinkets and a 3rd DD but he sims at 38k

So just feels like I'm missing something

[unreal perch]

sockets do make a big difference, other traits too

[onyx hedge]

I been making the biggest mess up ever lmao, with MA i been bursting Gar > Mut > Rupture >Ven > Vanish > TB >then go on the envenom spam instead of - Gar > Mut > Rupture > Mut > Vendetta > Tb> vanish > envenom

Rip my dps 😦

[tropic ocean]

@surreal panther sockets carry

ur friend sims higher than me

and im ilvl 429 equipped

😃

[surreal panther]

I have 4 sockets right now

[tropic ocean]

also benthic does a lot

[surreal panther]

He does have the full benthic setup, does raidbots include that in its patchwork sim?

[cobalt pelican]

ilvl is like

[tropic ocean]

yes

[cobalt pelican]

the most irrelevant it's ever been

[onyx hedge]

@tropic ocean finally got MA working https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oCswG4W9KyBJrKajm492pg

[tropic ocean]

@onyx hedge gz!

ilvl is heavily devalued

[unreal perch]

the benthic setup with sockets is crazy right now

[onyx hedge]

@tropic ocean im sitting 31% crit 20% haste 36% mast pog

[tropic ocean]

i can equip 434 but if I eq it I lose like 3k dps 🤷

[dense cedar]

ilvl is actually the biggest piss

just remebered how I threw away 3 pieces of gear today

[unreal perch]

like they really screwed over the raid with benthic gear

[tropic ocean]

my 410 benthic bracers outsim 450 crit/mastery bracers so 😛

[onyx hedge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oCswG4W9KyBJrKajm492pg Got the head from pvp pog

[unreal perch]

340 boots are worse than 315 boots with crit damage even without a socket

[surreal panther]

Yeah I've main swapped twice since 8.2 dropped so I have had enough to catch up on/worry about without farming pearls :/

[tropic ocean]

u can farm pearls on ur alts

and send the token to main

so safe main token for the upgrades

[onyx hedge]

which ?

gonna upgrade 385 but for now until im not poor on pearls lmao

[tropic ocean]

this is

the exact ssame item

😄

[dense cedar]

aren't these the same?

[onyx hedge]

o

LMAO

[solid nova]

[dense cedar]

ez choice

[onyx hedge]

sec

[tropic ocean]

phys dmg one will work on all bosses

while abberation one only on 2

[onyx hedge]

or htat

[tropic ocean]

benthic one

for sure

[onyx hedge]

like 385 vs 430?

[tropic ocean]

up it to 400

and it is 100% better than the 435

[onyx hedge]

y thought so

[dense cedar]

secretly kinda wished that threat thing was bugged

[unreal perch]

why's that?

[tropic ocean]

and it will be better than 455 as well probably once u upped it to 425

[dense cedar]

i kinda wanted to see a dps get bopped mid-fight

[unreal perch]

lol

[tropic ocean]

imagine the

increased threat is

taunt proc

[dense cedar]

tbh

[tropic ocean]

😄

[dense cedar]

that fucking

[tropic ocean]

that'd be fucking epic

[unreal perch]

"chance on hit to taunt"

[dense cedar]

neural silencer punchcard

is fucking awful

[surreal panther]

I had it happen twice yesterday in keys, instead of mobs snapping to the tank in a weird spot they just dropped them from the threat table and I got bopped

[tropic ocean]

"HOW CAN HE HAVE AGGRO after 5 MINUTES OF FIGHT???"

[dense cedar]

i love pressing my tricks

[tropic ocean]

😄

[dense cedar]

and then getting slapped down

[unreal perch]

neural is somehow the only blue punchcard that makes you WORSE

[tropic ocean]

depends

[unreal perch]

none make you -better- but it makes you worse

[dense cedar]

isn't there a blue card that gives a chance to ignore knockback effects?

[tropic ocean]

anti silence one is pretty good with cos tirnket

tho

[dense cedar]

or did they remove it?

[unreal perch]

oh, it reduces knockbacks

forgot about that one

[charred moat]

doesnt the swim speed one work in blackwater

[unreal perch]

no

because it's equal to the membrane anyways

and they don't stack

[polar shale]

doesnt stack with provided buff

[unreal perch]

otherwise it'd be dope af

[dense cedar]

I have the swimspeed one currently

tempted to put inthe falling one

[oak flower]

any high CR rogues who can gimme some tips ?

[unreal perch]

it's super nice outside raid

[tropic ocean]

maybe I could survive getting eaten by fish with more swimspeed

[dense cedar]

but i hear that u have to spam the buff click off

to not get slowfalled forever

[unreal perch]

ok, I'm too tired to farm more pearls on my alliance alts tonight x.x

[tropic ocean]

no

farm it all!!!

emmissary is up

[unreal perch]

maybe tomorrow I can get boots with sockets

[dense cedar]

I'm OP. got that sweet 26k dps

[unreal perch]

emissary is up for 2 more days what

I have 2 characters to do it with

I think I'll manage

I'm up to uh... 33k? 34k?

with raid buffs

[dense cedar]

I kinda wish u could sell hidden benthic pieces like u can with sellback

[unreal perch]

oh god

algans would be farmed to death

or not because 90% of the game still doesn't seem to know Algans exist

[dense cedar]

i would prefer that other gear drops tbh

wq should jsut give the same amount of pearls as the gear then

and not have gear drops

[unreal perch]

I still just can't believe they made an entire raid of gear drops useless because benthic

[dense cedar]

drops rewards

weapons tho

stabber

i need new stabbers

[tropic ocean]

?

algans are locked out anyway no?

[solid nova]

Yes

[unreal perch]

I mean, obviously I meant the items that can be benthic

[cobalt pelican]

i don't think there has ever been confirmation 100% one way or the other

[tropic ocean]

like after i killed one the next didnt drop pearls anymore

[cobalt pelican]

you definitely can get pearls from more than 1 of the same type of algan

how many is a ?????????

[tropic ocean]

^ pretty sure not

[unreal perch]

you can definitely get pearls more than once

[cobalt pelican]

i can go do it now.. it happens most days for me

[unreal perch]

unless it's an X time lockout and not a full day

[meager nebula]

i have gotten pearls from multiple algans of the same type

[cobalt pelican]

i'm pretty sure the lockout is just higher than 1

[meager nebula]

it just drops off after a few of them

[cobalt pelican]

but how many idk

[tropic ocean]

idk game is just trolling

2 fathom with socket gonna just delete rogue

[winter moss]

mastery is bae

[heady ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rrpDthqmYFeLwpZov5GyqC I really, really, reaaaaaaally didn't want to ask this here but what should be my priority to improve my sim dps?

[unreal perch]

benthic gear, especially with sockets, would go a long way

if your goal is raiding

essences

[cobalt pelican]

do your dailies lucid 2 takes like 3 days to get

[heady ridge]

I'm probably gonna get lucid 2 after day reset

[unreal perch]

3 is the important one

lucid 2 won't change that much

like it'll add a bit but, not a whole lot

[cobalt pelican]

buying a helm with residuum at this point is a questionable decision

there's so much accessible azerite gear around these ilvls

[heady ridge]

it was a random boredom roll tbh

[cobalt pelican]

go do mythic bod first 3 bosses or something and you'd have 420 pieces with reasonable traits

[surreal panther]

You could pretty reasonably gamble on a few 415 pieces without setting yourself behind any on buying 445s with residuum

[cobalt pelican]

do you not have cyclotronic yet is that why your card has optimization or whatever in it

[worn crag]

Will we be able to upgrade benethic more than 425?

[surreal panther]

As long as you're doing your 10+

[unreal perch]

we're supposed to be able to go over 425

hardly matters since benthic with sockets in raid beat mythic gear at 425 lol

[onyx hedge]

I had a 430 Yellow punchcard vers crit i replaced it for a 415 yello Crit Haste, i know it was 15 ilvls but i got a card for main stat crit off stat haste and the 430 was trash, main stat vers off stat crit

[cobalt pelican]

don't think the benthic pieces are ever increasing

[onyx hedge]

Yeah they way to op LMAO

[cobalt pelican]

they only artificially capped azerite early to kneecap splits

[meager nebula]

benthic is staying capped at 425 afaik

[cobalt pelican]

and then lifted it to 430 when people had items

[unreal perch]

stats are more important that ilvls for cards

[topaz trout]

frost damage wrists are hard to replace for raid

[unreal perch]

all benthic pieces are

have you tried replacing the boots?

it's just not possible

[topaz trout]

i can

[unreal perch]

how

like honest question

[topaz trout]

they are 3% crit damage

[unreal perch]

the boots without a socket are better than boots 25 iLvls higher for me

[topaz trout]

they are good but 440 socket with good stats beats them

[stuck knoll]

Wrists are probably the hardest to replace just do to how low budgeted they are for stats

[unreal perch]

also when did we get confirmation that boots are 3%

[stuck knoll]

Do you have a sim showing that?

[unreal perch]

sim showing the boots? I have simmed it ya

[stuck knoll]

No I meant a sim showing 440 with good stats and a socket beats them

[unreal perch]

oh

[stuck knoll]

Because I don’t really believe that

[unreal perch]

ya I'm curious

especially since I have NEVER seen anyone say 3% until now

[cobalt pelican]

420 vs crafted in current gear

[cobalt pelican]

oih wtf i'm in m+ gear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d9QmrZQV3zeUDGUGtwwa1a

i'm not pearl rich enough to get 425 so

[unreal perch]

the boots are still insanely good

[cobalt pelican]

and realistically they're like the last benthic piece i shoulda upgraded

i shouldn't have even made them 415

[topaz trout]

wrists/boots/gloves/belt

all good

[unreal perch]

it helps that the boots have haste/mastery

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ss3iMddNKJTCZ93t3Rbrvb

25 iLvls lol. granted the 440 have verse but, still

[cobalt pelican]

yea you're boots are unsocketed which is like

unluckery

[unreal perch]

vers is actually better than haste for me nvm

[cobalt pelican]

boots won't ever be replaced unless you forge socket, wrists likely won't replace unless you bare minimum socket 445s and likely require forge socket

the other pieces are potential storm replacement slots

[unreal perch]

ya I'm leaving my boots to socket until last

I'd rather have boots with no socket but crit damage, with other gear socketed first

[cobalt pelican]

seems inefficient for your pearl count

but i guessok

[unreal perch]

how so