assassination

[past marten]

Incpot

[deft nymph]

ahh haven't gotten my hands on one of those yet

[vestal wren]

and i started discussing if exsang couldnt be better then Tb on the fight if you send down rogues

bc. exsang benefits more from the haste buff and has a higher burst

[arctic walrus]

You probably proc a lot of DD when you go down

[past marten]

It's 4x Envenom during TB aka "the dream"

[crisp steppe]

@vestal wren yeah I wouldn't be surprised if thats the case

[tropic ocean]

and they def play around survivability

[past marten]

Wait, are you also delaying TB for Inkpod proc?

[tropic ocean]

cuz they send 3 mages down

[vestal wren]

mystler made a quick som for burst earlier

[tropic ocean]

if I read note correct

[crisp steppe]

@vestal wren what duration is that sim

[vestal wren]

i assume standard duration

[crisp steppe]

I guess you could sim with free 80% haste too yeah

[arctic walrus]

Sure it's better burst, but you have a whole fight length to consider

[tropic ocean]

not sure if exsang is better than 4x bote envenom crit

[vestal wren]

you can add stats to your sim ye

[deft nymph]

i mean if it's burst i'm sure it's prob like 30secs

[arctic walrus]

plus, exsang gets value from the amount of regen

[crisp steppe]

@vestal wren yeah so what does "burst" mean. the absolute peak during 0.1 second or 1 second etc.

[arctic walrus]

You're only using exsang for the dmg at that point

[vestal wren]

as far as i see they save all cd's for the phase down

[crisp steppe]

they just want to maximize dmg across the time they're in there right. it doesn't matter what the peak of their burst is. just that they do the most to meet the dmg check

would be cool to sim that situation see what you end up with

[rancid bobcat]

anyone have logs of them using the benthic frost damage gloves?

[nimble tartan]

If you take exsang you have to take sub and shroudeds right

[past marten]

I think so

[vestal wren]

thats why its probably worth to consider exsang

[crisp steppe]

yeah

[vestal wren]

yes

subter/ss traits

[nimble tartan]

so assuming you lose like 1-2 did or an np or lte it doesn’t seem too good

[crisp steppe]

well you could sim it and come to a definitive answer yeah

[nimble tartan]

If the adds down are able to die fine with normal st burst

Then it’s not worth

[crisp steppe]

they're not

[marble elm]

Unless you actually need that slight extra bit of damage in a 10-20 second window

But I haven’t watched any of that fight on mythic

[vestal wren]

its an interessting suggestion

[past marten]

actually I might know why

It's what I've just asked earlier

If TB actually enhances the Inkpod by 30% (as it is Nature damage)

then it's probably better

[keen verge]

i remember that in Emerald Nightmare, ppl use exang with 3 CP on envenom to maintain EP up almost 90%

[marble elm]

Tb is also a whitelisted ability unles it’s bugged

[past marten]

Well, it works on Nothing Personal afail

*afaik

[marble elm]

Yeah that’s on the list

[rigid mango]

It doesn't work w inkpod

P sure someone tested this the other day

[vestal wren]

its whitelisted

so nope

[tropic ocean]

I wish method would public log

to see inkpod party

[sullen sphinx]

Is there a bug with tricks? Every time I try to tricks it says invalid target. Thought my macro had gotten screwed up but even when I just try to cast it from the spell book I get the same error

[arctic walrus]

Either you or the tank has blue card

[sullen sphinx]

Ahhhhh I do

lol why the hell would that stop tricks

[deft nymph]

because tricks griefing afkers

is a thing :p

[sullen sphinx]

Thought it would just be shit like druids swapping appearance to make me look like a turtle

Not things that actually are a part of gameplay

Oh well

[deft nymph]

who wouldn't want to look like a turtle tho

[vestal wren]

neutral silencer

there is also a blue card with the same effect

[sullen sphinx]

Guess I have to swap it out. Thanks

[past marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dzLsM6PkpdGeEY1ctqPjjY

if you check the buff uptime, it looks like it actually uses Coral "correctly", because it only uses it twice

[mint prairie]

Hey, I've seen in herodamage that bbi seems pretty good in M+? Is it worth taking? Like 2 ttk, 2ss, 1 bbi and 1 EB ?

[nimble tartan]

swap your trinket to 1st trinket slot and see if it uses it differently

[past marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a7zaYMLytmaL8rbFEDMVhd

Without checking APL: No

[minor thicket]

guys need some help here

[past marten]

It doesn't precast Font though for some reason

wth

[minor thicket]

I dont quite understand when do I use vanish with master assasin

[nimble tartan]

u see how it uses coral a bunch

if u swap positions of trinket

but the dps is neutral looks like

[arctic walrus]

If it's using font on every vendetta wouldn't just coral on cd make more sense, you'll never manage to get a window inside vendetta

[vestal wren]

iirc pre combat channels are not supported yet

thats why

[nimble tartan]

it confused me when i was messin around with it

[faint harness]

theres a command for it

[arctic walrus]

Maybe 4-6s buit that's it

[faint harness]

bfa.font_of_power_precombat_channel=4

[nimble tartan]

what do u mean coral on cd

like coral every 20 sec?

[faint harness]

i gained like 600 dps using that command in the APL

so font is even stronger than it suggests

[arctic walrus]

That's what it had me doing on one sim I did

well, after 2nd vendetta

[vestal wren]

oh, is channel supported now?

[past marten]

@arctic walrus what if you "precast" Font 10s before Vendetta, then you get 10s of the razor in the end of Vendetta

[faint harness]

i think its some ghetto way around it

that mystler made

its in the tc-research channel if you scroll up like 2-3 times

[nimble tartan]

on that sim that guy posted in trinket 2 position after 3rd vendetta it starts castin on cd near end of fight

[minor thicket]

Anyone help me out here?

[sullen sphinx]

@minor thicket before toxic blade during vendetta

[nimble tartan]

does it function differently if u pre pull font

[past marten]

@faint harness if I use that command, it doesn't use the Font at all

😮

[faint harness]

then you did something wrong

[minor thicket]

@sullen sphinx does it matter is vandetta is down do i still pop it with TB?

[faint harness]

cus its working for me and others in here

[past marten]

Wait nevermind

[golden plume]

Can someone tell me why iam simming so low ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aAJSANLox3o1q2GkrFf6FZ

[sullen sphinx]

No. Vanish always goes with vendetta

[past marten]

copied the wrong string

[faint harness]

@golden plume you're playing AoE azerite on ST

[sullen sphinx]

@minor thicket the cds line up unless you’re using vision. If you are then don’t

[faint harness]

and you're only using 1 essence and its an aoe essence

[golden plume]

let me re sim and check then brb

[past marten]

@golden plume Echoing Blades, Focusing Iris, no minor, cheap enchants, no sockets, no benthic

[minor thicket]

ah Ok and with master assasin and stealth its a huge DPS increase right?

[past marten]

it sims better than Subterfuge in most cases for pure ST

[sullen sphinx]

Unless you have an SS trait

[minor thicket]

SS?

[sullen sphinx]

Shrouded suffocation

[faint harness]

The garrote trait

[minor thicket]

ah yes I have SS

[bleak spoke]

What’s the proper way to use blood of the enemy with vendetta? Do I just hold it for 30s

[faint harness]

yea

you line it up with vendetta and vanish afaik, the sim APL is using it in wonky places tho but its all good

[sullen sphinx]

You need to run subter probably @minor thicket

[bleak spoke]

That’s unsightly

[minor thicket]

whys that

[golden plume]

Still is very low, how could i gain more damage ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8HR83VTrR9vbf4FZN3wo6A

[bleak spoke]

Wouldn’t subterfuge make it worse lmao

[faint harness]

@golden plume you need more gear

thats how you get better damage

[bleak spoke]

Why are you simming 10 min

[faint harness]

LOL

and its a 10 min sim

[sullen sphinx]

Sims had me running subter when I had a SS trait

[faint harness]

• only one essence

get ur neck level to 55

[bleak spoke]

Well of course you play subt with ss

[sullen sphinx]

Yea someone asked

Lol

[minor thicket]

@sullen sphinx so if im all 3 traits DD master assasin

[sullen sphinx]

Depends on your other traits

Sin yourself

Sim

[minor thicket]

Nothing personal

[sullen sphinx]

But if you have an Ss trait the sim will probably say subter

[golden plume]

@faint harness yeah just noticed lul mb but how 428 ilvl is hitting so low ? will i get to 40k just by getting my minor ?

[drifting cloud]

no you wont

you need benthic

[arctic walrus]

Your gear must be broken, man that's low

[bleak spoke]

To throw it all the way back around why not play blood major vop minor with 3 ss exsang and vanish every 3 minutes honestly

[arctic walrus]

your gear is just all over the place

[past marten]

what I said earlier + the 10min

[faint harness]

the minor slot does a few 1000 dps

so you should make that ur prio

[past marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5A4vyevd6uSHcoJpGSKgxZ/simc

[rigid mango]

I mean I missed a giga amount of dailies

+- a week and I got r3 lucid todsy

[past marten]

It looks like, if you tell the APL to pre-cast Font, it bugs out Coral in the end

[golden plume]

my hoa is lvl 54 so i'm good on this

[rigid mango]

Idk how people don't have it

[golden plume]

@arctic walrus what do you mean all over the place ? i'm not native English

[rigid mango]

You need essences my dude

[drifting cloud]

you have r1 lucid, you need r3

[faint harness]

how did you get 430 ilvl without knowing this

[arctic walrus]

0 sockets 0 benthic

[strange python]

i havnt been able to find a decent group to do pvp islands to get blood. If i am unable to get bote, whats another decent essence combo right now

[sullen sphinx]

You can get BOTE lol

[arctic walrus]

it's 1 island win

[sullen sphinx]

But lucid major iris minor is pretty good

[faint harness]

bote rank 1 tho

[minor thicket]

BOTE is only one island win?

thats it?

[bleak spoke]

Man bote rank 1 is 4head af

[sullen sphinx]

It’s my bis

[faint harness]

you need 50k honor my dude

[sullen sphinx]

R3 lucid major r3 iris minor

[faint harness]

on top of those islands

[strange python]

does it have to be the pvp island or can it be mythic/heroic island? everytime ive gone into pvp island, we have gotten crushed

[rigid mango]

Bote pre r3

[sullen sphinx]

Isn’t rank two as well lol

[rigid mango]

Yikes from me dawg

[faint harness]

might as well just use the crucible of flame if you dont have bote rank 3

[rigid mango]

R2 is aight

R3 is giga

[sullen sphinx]

Sims lower than lucid for me 😦

[minor thicket]

what else to get BOTE?

[nimble tartan]

imagine not having rank 3 bote in 2019

[sullen sphinx]

I wanna use it tho

[past marten]

@faint harness how do I get the "bfa.font_of_power_precombat_channel=4" into the Quick Sim without Raidbots telling me that "SimulationCraft Script contains commands..."?

[nimble tartan]

do it in advanced tab

[faint harness]

you need to put it in the APL section

not the actual simc input section

[bleak spoke]

Man I made a mistake and I’m now doing bgs I don’t wanna talk about it

[faint harness]

its down below the other things

[rigid mango]

I'm not grinding bote

But life force will get nerf probs

And I'll be sad

[nimble tartan]

it wont bro

[faint harness]

bote is probably more fun to use than life force too

[nimble tartan]

they dont even nerf benthic u really think they gonna nerf life force bro

[rigid mango]

It being bis for like all but 4 specs

[bleak spoke]

I will it’s too good in m+ probably in a way that doesn’t interfere with you doing stuff like iris does zzzz

All but 2 but carry on

[rigid mango]

Ok see

If iris got nerfed

It's getting nerfee

That's my line of thought anyways

[past marten]

the reason they might nerf Life-Force is that they don't like literally all classes using it

[nimble tartan]

iris only got nerfed cause of pvp

[past marten]

Kinda rendering all other majors useless

[faint harness]

or if the pet AI is garbage like it usually is

[bleak spoke]

Man I haven’t even realized iris was nerfed tbh

[rigid mango]

Nor have i

[nimble tartan]

legit u press iris and get all defensives

[minor thicket]

what are the steps to get bote?

[bleak spoke]

Still doing roughly same % of my damage in m+ lmao

[simple meteor]

first week plus mercenary was so ez to farm i lost like 10 bgs only for 50k

[minor thicket]

just 1 pvp island

[nimble tartan]

i did 3s 2 irises and every iris use just killed them pre nerf

[faint harness]

start with pvp island, win a bg and epic bg

then you farm 15k honor

and then another 35k honor

[past marten]

I think the biggest "nerf" to Life-Force is that the raid's average fps drops to approx. 5

[faint harness]

or if the pet gets stuck somewhere

[turbid osprey]

what does ink pod do after 30%?

just tick for damage?

[faint harness]

hunters still have issues with pets getting stuck

i can imagine this will too

[strange python]

im just goin to have to try and pug a good group for island pvp haha

[faint harness]

@turbid osprey 1 big smash

[past marten]

inb4 the golem is superslow and any movement makes it useless

I didn't actually try LF, even though I got r2

[turbid osprey]

yeah but like

[faint harness]

cus its a meme until r3

[turbid osprey]

does it keep proccing after that?

[bleak spoke]

Doesn’t matter cuz it makes you do 10% more damage

[faint harness]

5%

[bleak spoke]

In your rotation

[rigid mango]

That haste

[faint harness]

b-b-but 25% crit and crit dmg

[rigid mango]

But DAMAGE

[faint harness]

its gonna be so sad to not open for over 100k anymore

[nimble tartan]

u open for mroe now bro

10% DAMAGE

[faint harness]

[bleak spoke]

Also the golem does damage

[past marten]

if Life-Force looks buggy/problematic, I'll just stick with BotE/Lucid

[faint harness]

i can assure you that life force wont beat BotE opener dmg

[past marten]

Not talking about opener

[faint harness]

im not answering you

[past marten]

Good

:^)

[turbid osprey]

just glad bote isnt bis so i dont have to pvp

[faint harness]

[fresh ginkgo]

I dont even consider bgs pvp

[bleak spoke]

I mean we’ll see what it looks like soon enough

[fresh ginkgo]

Slightly more advanced AI opponents

[past marten]

Well, the golem is ranged

so it getting bugged isn't really as much of a problem as Hunter pet

[bleak spoke]

Wait when did hey nerf condensed to 5% from 10% man

Man what

[faint harness]

PTR

long ago

[bleak spoke]

Man heck

[vestal wren]

holy, this is with the 80% haste buff

[bleak spoke]

Lmao

That is nuts

[vestal wren]

if you want to experiment you can add:
shirt=hastebuff,use=5440haste_20dur_500cd

[bleak spoke]

Fuu I had an idea kinda

[vestal wren]

mystler just send me a sim, its insane

[bleak spoke]

What if you played exsang with condensed and vop minor and just did a mediocre vendetta in between and vanished for third vendetta

Would feel really bad to hold vanish for that long but wouldn’t it kinda line properly

[faint harness]

imagine if /when we get another major slot in 8.3

im not even meme'ing when i say that it will feel like having too many buttons

[vestal wren]

i dont think we get another slot

3 is actually more then enough

[faint harness]

they have said they are expanding on it

whatever that means

[vestal wren]

hmm interessting

[faint harness]

"its gonna evolve over the course of BFA"

or something of similar meaning

[urban junco]

Two majors, 3 minors perhaps? 😮

more essences?

Who kn ows

[faint harness]

might just be new essences

[vestal wren]

might be new essences

[faint harness]

passives that change how a class ability works?

give

[urban junco]

^

[quiet abyss]

what essences u guys usually run with

[faint harness]

BoTE rank 3 and Lucid minor rank 3

[rigid mango]

Blood M + lucid m is BiS atm

Come next week, life force M + lucid m will be bis, probs

[lone junco]

@vestal wren what 80% haste buff do you speak of

[vestal wren]

the one you get if you go down

[lone junco]

right.

[faint harness]

delirium realm on za'qul

[lone junco]

3ss vanish subterfuge exang with vers /use trinket time.

or mastery.

funny build. cause its not gonna sim properly. will look like you are OOE

[quiet abyss]

ok thank you

[turbid osprey]

does inkpod do nothing under 30%?

because it appears to do nothing under 30%

[minor thicket]

If I am stuck with 2 DD and 1 SS am I ok to still use Master Ass.?

working on getting my 3rd DD trait

[willow sundial]

I would run subterfuge

[minor thicket]

so if I run Subterfuge will vanish still work with vandetta or not really

[willow sundial]

Well

you're going to vanish

to reapply your empowered garrote

Which is about halfway into your vendetta

nvm

at the end of it

[minor thicket]

ok so run subter until i get myy 3 DD traitsa

[willow sundial]

yep

[minor thicket]

vanish is super powerful only with Master Assasin correct?

[willow sundial]

No

[rigid mango]

It's used as a major cd with vend, yes

[minor thicket]

other than that its just to reapply garrote

[willow sundial]

Its not only powerful with MA

[rigid mango]

Vanish is one of the two major cds

[turbid osprey]

you supposed to play MA if you have 3x DD? ive been playing subter still

[minor thicket]

this is what im missing so i Pop it always with vandetta

[turbid osprey]

guess ill sim it

[rigid mango]

You probably should.

[willow sundial]

If you're not running any SS traits, subt is not worth it compared to MA

on pure st fight

[rigid mango]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

Not entirely true

but sure, generally that's the case

[turbid osprey]

ill still sim to check

but i had no idea so wasnt lookign

ty

[willow sundial]

@rigid mango Really?

[rigid mango]

Yes

There are situations where sub>ma regardless of ss traits

They're few and rare

[minor thicket]

so I guess my next question is when do I pop it

in what order exactly

[rigid mango]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid mango]

in there

[turbid osprey]

you garrote out of stealth right?

i reapply with vanish when that first garrote is at 5.4 sec

or after that anyway

[willow sundial]

its pretty fight dependent then

[rigid mango]

It's not fight dependant

it's set up dependant

[minor thicket]

i garrote in stealth

[rigid mango]

I'm not entirely sure why it's better, but it is

diff is so small barely matters anyways

[willow sundial]

hmm

interesting

[lone junco]

I ran 1ss 3dd with subterfuge for a bit. pretty sure seli did as well. Not critting your vanish MA at low crit values was sad.

[willow sundial]

I would never play subt without ss

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't either, but it's technically better

[turbid osprey]

MA sims 170 dps higher for me

[rigid mango]

but the margin is very small

[lone junco]

if the sim averages were exactly the same, I would play Subterfuge, because you almost cant mess it up

[turbid osprey]

im sold

[lone junco]

did you vanish garrote?

great

I'd imagine as your crit gear goes up MA loses value. but that may be wrong. (baseline 40 with vanish rounds at 90) vs baseline 20 with vanish rounds at 70

trinket use and other stuff might line up better with a controlled vanish MA.

cause it is so short.

without exang you cant force a subterfuge (with or without ss) into a tiny trinket window

[minor thicket]

I undeerstand the important of vanish with MA since your crit jumps huge

[lone junco]

AND Also. the overlap with buffs

[minor thicket]

however whats the importance of vanish with subter?

[misty tusk]

The questst in epic bgs that reward 1-1.5k Honor, are they weekly resets=

[minor thicket]

just allows you to garrote enemies correct

[turbid osprey]

you get +80% damage on the garrote

[sturdy dust]

I always love when more crit gear becomes available in expansions

[near coyote]

What major and minor essences are you guys using. Iv simmed my own. Just curious what you guys are using

[sturdy dust]

It makes Fire Mages and Fury Warriors come online, whereas they're always trash at the beginning of expansions

[turbid osprey]

lucid rank 3 worldvein rank 2 atm

[near coyote]

Yeah same

[pulsar ledge]

lucid rank 3 and worldviein rank 3

[sturdy dust]

BOTE Rank 3 with Lucid Minor sims the highest.

[willow sundial]

Lucid and world if 3+ are using it

otherwise

[turbid osprey]

only have rank 1 condensed

[willow sundial]

iris minor

[minor thicket]

focusing iris any good for melee?

[sturdy dust]

How tough is it to get Worldvein level 3? Just farm Islands?

[turbid osprey]

do weekly islands

[sturdy dust]

Focusing Iris is great for M+, not as good for ST

[turbid osprey]

you need to do 3 weeklys and you get it

[near coyote]

Does condensed life become number 1 at rank. 3?

[turbid osprey]

sims that way

[past marten]

yes

[tired citrus]

Hey is anyone using the coral trinket in ST and found a good way to use it? Im using it on CD rn.

[minor thicket]

so for m+ iris and lucid dreams will work

i dont have BOTE

for raiding ST life force and lucid?

[tired citrus]

nvm i read the pins

[cosmic prism]

guys when is a good time to use lucid dreams active? i feel at the start im gaining loads of energy from nothing personal so I have to wait a while so I dont cap in energy but then i feel like im wasting cd time... any thoughts?

[turbid osprey]

i use it around when im refreshing garrote

[autumn slate]

@cosmic prism answer you're looking for is pinned

[cosmic prism]

oh thanks

[tired citrus]

Ye thanks i saw the pins aswell

[waxen valve]

New raid hasnt got undulating tides shoulder? So whats the plan, starting with shoulder by residuum?

And pray for gorak tul?

[timber meadow]

are people using marked for death in M+?

[dark crag]

No

[misty tusk]

@waxen valve undulating tides a must?

[distant lava]

Its not

[faint harness]

its inflated in sims

[distant lava]

It sims good but thats cause you dont take dmg in sims

[faint harness]

drop below 50% once and it does nothing for 45 seconds

[waxen valve]

Ofc not but good shoulder looks like very few in tep. So i will start with shoulder i guess.

[turbid osprey]

got benthic boots, bracers or gloves next to fish for?

wait how come gloves arent in pins?

[tribal marlin]

they are not the best in slot

the best in slot are Azshara's gloves

[turbid osprey]

o right

[tribal marlin]

Benthic gloves still pretty decent and azshara's are not good if you alone wearing it

[faint harness]

are the gloves affected by others using it?

like more dmg per proc or what

[turbid osprey]

frost damage bracers i want then i guess

[strange python]

am i the only one struggling to get benthic gear with slots to drop hhaha? rng has not been favorable so far

[tribal marlin]

oh mb I might confuse with the belt i guess ?

[faint harness]

yea

the gloves are just a dmg proc

which does about 1% of ur dmg

[turbid osprey]

belt is just damage to abberations, which i think is 2 bosses?

[tribal marlin]

well we'll stick with benthic for a while then

I'm talking about azshara's belt

[faint harness]

the azshara belt is crit

on proc

[turbid osprey]

ahh

jeez easily confused today

[faint harness]

but you need more ppl using it

what is nice tho is that you also get haste if mail/cloth wearers use their equivalent

so its just like some crit and haste on top of the regular stats, quite good

[turbid osprey]

so i just got socketed pufferfish bracers, worth upgrading or just ignore til i get frost damage

[misty tusk]

think frost simmed 87 dps higher for me

[tribal marlin]

ye the difference should be pretty minor

so it's up to you if you want to continue gamble or not

pufferfish are ok.

[elfin tiger]

how do I know which essences are the best for palace? I have rank 3 lucid and rank 2 iris and rank 2 blood

Do i put rank 3 lucid on major and blood 2 on minor

[turbid osprey]

ill upgrade them to 400 and leave it for now

i think

do you have worldvein? if 3 people are using it wv is good

[elfin tiger]

rank 1

[turbid osprey]

maybe not then

lucid major iris minor is decent

thats what i was running before i swapped to worldvein

[elfin tiger]

is blood any good?

or is it just for multi target?

[turbid osprey]

i think it sims pretty well, but i hate pvp so i havent looked into it 😄

[woven summit]

I see the elite using blood + lucid in combination with MA

[harsh sphinx]

Ya it's good atm

[strange python]

anyone got a macro where memory burns off cooldown?

[rare arrow]

Rank 3 blood is pretty nasty

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[strange python]

!essences

i think we get r3 life force next week

[silk shore]

hello all 😃 i am coming back from a small break and wondering what the go-to azerite traits for mythic + ? 2xSS 1xEB

[scenic saffron]

Are we certain that r3 life will be better than r3 blood ? Otherwise i need to farm 30k honor 😦

[urban junco]

^

I'm hearing that with 2 minors, blood as a major will be best

but I am unsure

[fiery hazel]

bote is still amazing in other types of content. Probably worth to get it regardless!

[civic palm]

hearing...

[strange python]

so memory as major and rank 2 blood as minor until I get rank 3?

[shell lodge]

guys how do u drop Gorak Tul's Mantle Azerite shoulders piece ?

[rigid mango]

What?

@urban junco where have you heard that?

[shell lodge]

this, i noticed a lot of assa players use those, but like 430+ and aparently u cannot drop azerite shoulders on m+ : P

[civic palm]

Same place as last season > _>

[rigid mango]

You buy it from the uhh, vendor?

Like every other dungeon piece?

[shell lodge]

u mean

this titan resudium one ?

[rigid mango]

Yes?

[shell lodge]

is it a "Specific" piece or ppl just buy random and pray to RNGjesus

[civic palm]

Both?

[shell lodge]

i honetslty never used the guy

[vestal wren]

the cost of a specific one is so high that i kinda dont think you ever go for a specific piece

[coarse plank]

Is that trinket good. The one from the Mecha quest line with the punch cards?

[civic palm]

Yeah it's... maybe a little too early for specifics.

[nimble tartan]

By the time u get specific prog ovee

[vestal wren]

hasnt somone made a calculation that chances to get the specific ones are high enough that its far better to just gamble

[shell lodge]

alright

thats all i needed to know, just gonna gamble

with my luck i get them one day before new expansion

[vestal wren]

then just wait till you have enough for the specific ones

once next tier opens

😛

on a honest note, going for the specific ones takes very long, so you wont get those very soon even if you do very high keys

if you are not in a hurry and dont like to gamble, well there is no reason not to wait for the specific one

[shell lodge]

mhm thanks

im kinda in hurry cuz without those replacements im basicly stuck on dps. And we starting Mythic pretty soon.

[civic palm]

o _O

[crisp steppe]

just gamble bro

its gonna be ok

make sure you check which pieces you can realisticly get from mythic that are solid

can also go engineering for the big helm

[vestal wren]

a short calculation:
200,000 is the cost of 1 specific piece.

for a +10 you get 17k residuum
from a +15 21.5k
from a +20 26k

so the time requirement for 1 specific piece are:
only doing +10 - 12 weeks (3 months)
only doing +15 - 9 weeks (2 months 1 week)
doing a +20 - 8 weeks (2 months)

ofc you can speed that up by raiding and dissenchanting azerite you get

so, if you only do m+ and manage to push a +15 every week you look at nearly 7 months to get your full azerite set (3 specific pieces)

[shell lodge]

oof.

[idle ember]

Went specific at the very end of last tier after getting the same junk chest 3 times in a row from the rando.

If you don't get the exact thing you want don't worry, someone else is getting far worse.

[strange python]

10+ epic battlegrounds of grinding to get the 30k I need

fml

[fiery hazel]

just do normal bgs

so much faster

[strange python]

oh?

[shell lodge]

i mean.. i was farming daggers for like 1mont every day doing few TolDaggors or anythink else that can drope some. Bonus rolls and other rogues etc in group.. Havent seen one. not even in current raid : P

and now daggers i have is a pvp one and a World Quest one.

[junior ridge]

normal bgs and queue as alliance

[fiery hazel]

well do one of each for the bonus each day. The regular BGs are just literally so much faster.

[junior ridge]

much faster queue times and you get the 50% extra honor

[fiery hazel]

well he might not be alliance.

[royal lantern]

you can queue as the other faction when they have lower numbers

[junior ridge]

^

[royal lantern]

aka: you can always queue as alliance when you play horde

[fiery hazel]

oh snap, I didn't know that.

[royal lantern]

at this point like 60%of your team are from the mercenary queue

[fiery hazel]

You know, i'm ok with this.

[karmic galleon]

how powerful is the trait on Mechagon helm, increasing stat of logic on trinket for 300ish

[civic palm]

Well that depends on how good the stat that you have on your trinket is...

and the uptime of the bonus.

[karmic galleon]

the uptime is why i ask

my logic is crit

so it'll give me crit which is basically best stat if im not mistaken (I focus on M+)

[civic palm]

Well can you get me a screenshot of the helmet?

or the name if you cannot.

[tribal marlin]

are you sure it's tigh to pocketsized ?

[tribal marlin]

for the shoulder it's supposed to be independant

oh right it's not the same trait indeed

[civic palm]

Doesn't sound like a proc.

[frigid briar]

lol just got TTK (most over valued trait)

[civic palm]

ok

[tribal marlin]

Hello infexious

[tribal marlin]

you are a hero!

[civic palm]

Interesting flags.

"Paladin aura"

[frigid briar]

give 2, wiping lool

[civic palm]

Anyway, doesn't look like a proc, so just use your weights to see how much the trait would give you, then compare the trait to your other choices by look at the HeroDamage charts for GENERAL values.

[tribal marlin]

There is no way to get that helmet 445 right ?

[civic palm]

440 is the limit I think, if it's the ENGI helmet.

well, +5 with the center trait.

[tribal marlin]

it's not the inge helm

I think it's the helmet you get from doing Hardmode mecagon dung

(and inge helm is 445 and 450 with the +5 center trait)

[civic palm]

Yeah that thing is capped to drop level since AA cannot WF+.

[tribal marlin]

ye I think too

usual crafted item are 440 but this one is 445

[frigid briar]

hi mikishisa

[civic palm]

Weird, that's why I assumed it was 440.

Well, the Engi helm anyway.

[tribal marlin]

I'm not sure I will find better helm for a while :/

[civic palm]

😐

[frigid briar]

just kill mythic Za'qul

[vestal wren]

nv + tft

[frigid briar]

its EZ

[shell lodge]

Hey Infexious

U better updater ur guide lazy bastard : p

[civic palm]

or don't.

[frigid briar]

Lazy?

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frigid briar]

im playing like 16 hours a day

[tribal marlin]

xD tbh even if I killed M Za'qul like this week which will obviously not happens, I would have to trade the helmet xD

[shell lodge]

Assa POV would be pretty nice to see aswell

[frigid briar]

I'll get some stuff done soon

[civic palm]

Just watch any melee PoV > _>"

[frigid briar]

gearing priest for later bosses

[tribal marlin]

sad story

[shell lodge]

Ah, yeah, „Shadow”.

[frigid briar]

sadly yeah

[bleak spoke]

Shadow priest will only be good for one tier they said smile

[frigid briar]

assas has been represented well this tier though

[bleak spoke]

Yeah assa’s doing very well tbh

[civic palm]

Melee is doing well.

[tough whale]

There's a little outlaw rep as well, saw one or two on ashvane kills helping bubbles out

[shell lodge]

I hope It stays this way cuz i rerolled warrior for rogue.

Someone said that this Raid is basicly „melee” one.

[tough whale]

Rogue is never complete trash tbh, i wouldn't worry.

[bleak spoke]

Man I just hate how many buttons I press now with lucid though

[tough whale]

im loving bote

[bleak spoke]

I really liked the pooling in bod

[tribal marlin]

How is doing outlaw with vision + Loaded dice ?

is it just a meme or strong setup ?

[civic palm]

#outlaw Probably has answers.

[tribal marlin]

ye i'll check this later

[frigid briar]

outlaw is good

[civic palm]

I think that idea fell through though.

[frigid briar]

viable, not exactly ideal for the burst windows with how tightly bosses are tuned right now

[tough whale]

Its a meme build and not meta, but #outlaw

[frigid briar]

Im working M ashvane just now and I think outlaw just would be a massive hinderence

[bleak spoke]

I think I go farm out bote, most of the rogues I’ve played with tell me they like the essence way more than iris in m+, and it seems less annoying to play on progress than lucid

[tough whale]

Bote feels great, well worth the farm.

[bleak spoke]

How do you make the dps checks with outlaw without getting hella lucky on ashvane lol

[frigid briar]

nah you just dont man

[civic palm]

Depends on raid comp. as well.

[frigid briar]

it doesnt at all

[civic palm]

If you need the DMG somewhere else then you simply need the DMG elsewhere.

[frigid briar]

you would never take an outlaw to ashvane

[tough whale]

BL ran 2 assa 1 outlaw, he had 1 deadshot 2 ace, and still was top 5 boss damage

So i wouldnt make such a bold claim like never bringing one

[bleak spoke]

Like there’s a cutoff to how low you can go without actually inting 19 other people

[tough whale]

but lets keep that in #outlaw por favor

[bleak spoke]

Okay but loktarck is my dad

People just don’t have uptime like he does

It’s hard

[shell lodge]

Yeah, tho Assa will still stay ST god i guees. Tho on Logs few times ive sen sun pop up.

[civic palm]

Then go complain to your father for making you the way you are

[lone junco]

ok

[bleak spoke]

FeelsBadMan

Hopefully assa isn’t nerfed tbh

[civic palm]

Won't be, no reason to.

[tough whale]

It won't be.

[bleak spoke]

Yeah mainly cuz on the overall it’s not very high

[tough whale]

If any melee is getting nerfed my bet is on DH

[bleak spoke]

Yeah dh slaps right now for whatever reason

[tough whale]

Yeah theyre disgusting

[civic palm]

They're OK > _>"

[tough whale]

44k on a 6:45 fight

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[misty tusk]

42k Feral on first boss

[bleak spoke]

Yeah they’ve got a smoother dmg curve too

Dh i mean

Way more predictable

Man I wish there wasn’t such variance in my opener right now

[civic palm]

IF there was something wrong with DH they would be in every melee slot or there would at least be 3 of them, and not the 1 that's required.

[bleak spoke]

It’s actually somewhat aggravating

[tough whale]

play bote /shrug

[frigid briar]

just your opener?

whole spec is such an RNG mess

[bleak spoke]

Err I play major lucid minor iris so it’s a lot less rng

[frigid briar]

im 42k on some pulls and 35k on others

[bleak spoke]

Just global capped for 1:30 straight and I want to die

[near coyote]

I thought bote was like third best???

[tough whale]

I'd argue that bote is less RNG than lucid

[bleak spoke]

Legit even with the muti bug on wcl I was bottom 5 apm in bod, now I’m second after my spriest

[tough whale]

Your massive bonus to crit during vendetta is juicy and feels really smooth

[bleak spoke]

I don’t like this

[untold current]

What's wrong with being global capped? Best feels in the game

[bleak spoke]

Ehh, i enjoy pooling

[tough whale]

every second spent energy capped feels like someone is cutting you

[bleak spoke]

Yes

This

[civic palm]

4444444444444444444444444444444444444

[tough whale]

yes?

[untold current]

Hate pooling. Spamming feels smooth and nice

[bleak spoke]

Especially since it’s in me from 2 tiers to value energy so much

[frigid briar]

pooling only feels good on a hard boss

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s also true

[tropic ocean]

tbf in current tier I think rogue is way stronger than dh

[frigid briar]

having a 2 seconds breather just to spot some shit is class on hard bosses

[bleak spoke]

I did this thing where is pool and pan my camera with left mouse buttton down

[frigid briar]

Dh isnt strong

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

[tough whale]

?

[tropic ocean]

you can cheese so many things without losing dps

[frigid briar]

its good

and its needed for buff

or to dps tank zaqul

[civic palm]

That's why there's only 1 in every raid > _>

[frigid briar]

the buff

hahaha

[civic palm]

booofbot

That's it.

[tropic ocean]

well dh is good but rogue is just better

🤷

[civic palm]

Warrior does everything else better.

[tough whale]

Very true

[frigid briar]

boomkin, lock, mage shadow, all busted

rogue is really strong

[tropic ocean]

rogue is best melee

[rotund stream]

And that tasty ap buff

[civic palm]

for ST, yes.

[frigid briar]

probably best class for progression on none multi dot fight is rogue

[bleak spoke]

Yeah rogue is definitely good rn

[frigid briar]

Rogue is mandatory

[tropic ocean]

for mechanics as well

[frigid briar]

2 minimum

[austere scarab]

EB x2 / SoB x2 / TTK / SS for M+ seem okay?

[tropic ocean]

u can soak solo 1st boss

u can solo take 2nd

[drifting cloud]

half the specs ingame can solo soak 1st boss

[austere scarab]

idk if SoB has fallen off totally or what

[frigid briar]

ret pala is under rated imo

[civic palm]

Vendetta is also a hilarious stacking buff.

[bleak spoke]

They’re making me feint every aoe on radiance I think I want to die

[civic palm]

heh

[tropic ocean]

you have super high st burst if needed

[bleak spoke]

What’s worse is I have the energy for it

[tough whale]

Eh if you use your eyes they're not hyper underrated. Method is pretty consistently running a ret

[frigid briar]

anyone try vanish the boom on mythic eel boss?

legit one shots

[tropic ocean]

no

[tough whale]

1000% not worth

[tropic ocean]

but hunter on fake death died so

[tough whale]

ever

[tropic ocean]

i didnt try

[frigid briar]

we had a strat where we never soaked any

rogues heald vanish

[tough whale]

Chances are you can vanish it, but youd never want to as assa

[rigid mango]

99% sure vanishd oesn't work

[frigid briar]

and I got it, vanished instantly and second I did it didnt even finish cast. just nuked me for 300k

[rigid mango]

seeing as how feign doesn't

[frigid briar]

yeah it doesnt

[rigid mango]

^

Our hunter said "trying it" and got insta bopped entire raid died

[frigid briar]

invis for mage doesnt

they shouted at our mage haha

[tropic ocean]

soaking on fish is easy anyway

just melees go into his head

[civic palm]

Super easy.

[tropic ocean]

done

[frigid briar]

yeah but its a dps loss

and people suck so quicker it dies the less people die lol

[tropic ocean]

sounds very pro raidish

[civic palm]

I'd argue a dead DPS is more a DPS loss :3

[tropic ocean]

depends on the dps

and if he has loyal trait or not

[bleak spoke]

Big true

[tropic ocean]

😄

[frigid briar]

lol

[civic palm]

a dead raid being... extremely poor for DPS.

[tough whale]

Depends on if you have 15 rets or not

[frigid briar]

we have a ret pala soaking orbs on mythic ashvane

with that trait

give me buffs

[tropic ocean]

how to kill ashvane (fast)

[civic palm]

IT'S YOUR TURN TO BUFF US YOU LITTLE SHIT.

[tropic ocean]

take 5 shams

with loyal trait and ankh

gg ez

[frigid briar]

thing with shamans is they die easy

[bleak spoke]

15 rets all stacking loyal to the end trying their best to stay alive and kill each other to be the last crusader

[civic palm]

Yeah they can't take 21 stacks > _>'

[tribal marlin]

Ret pala or prot pala ?

[frigid briar]

if the person gets ressed does the buff end?

ret

[tribal marlin]

why ret ?

[frigid briar]

we 3rd tank with a ret

more damage

[bleak spoke]

^actual important question if you lose buff if they cr

[tribal marlin]

the buff only lst 12 sec anyway

[tough whale]

Not on mythic, lmao what

[bleak spoke]

Oh it’s 12 seconds?

That’s so lame

[frigid briar]

what do you mean not on mythic?

[civic palm]

If it's only 12 seconds that means more people will have to die.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tribal marlin]

so ret is ok to soak thoose orbs ?

[frigid briar]

yeah

[tough whale]

Waterlogged does NOT clear on death

[tribal marlin]

no need for our ret to go prot then

[frigid briar]

not ideal

[short jacinth]

Where does it say it's 12 sec?

[frigid briar]

but yeah

[bleak spoke]

Just have ppl die in an orderly fashion

[frigid briar]

Pieces used a ret I think

[tough whale]

If you brez with waterlogged youll still have the same stacks you died with

[frigid briar]

yeah

[tough whale]

BL's prot hit 28 stacks on their kill

[frigid briar]

yeah ret can do the same

you realise 2 stacks is 70k?

[tough whale]

I'm aware, ys.

[frigid briar]

so roughly around 8 stacks tanks get one shot

[bleak spoke]

So wet gachibass

[tropic ocean]

inb4 wow-general

[frigid briar]

so ret or prot doesnt matter

we external him and he used his cds but gain more dps than prot

[tribal marlin]

what is the timer for 1st buble to come out ?

do he have time to make his fully wings burst before go ?

[frigid briar]

No idea on timers ect tbh, we only hit 50% after around 1 n 30 on it

yeah he does

[unborn vapor]

hey so whats the best red punchcard? the one that gives like 1k haste?

[frigid briar]

you also dont soak bubbles when shield is down which I see alot of guilds making the mistake

[bleak spoke]

Cyclotronic blast

[frigid briar]

anyone any idea hwere I can get a 415 blue punch card from?

or do i need to RNG it?

[bleak spoke]

Do they even go that high

[misty tusk]

RNG

[frigid briar]

meh

[tribal marlin]

Do you have any logs or video about it Infexious ?

[misty tusk]

tank i ran HM with got 2x 430 titanforged cards

[frigid briar]

no videos since patch dude

[tribal marlin]

I'd like to talk to my guild about it but without any proove they might laugh at me :/

[frigid briar]

I changed guild and had new requirements to raid this tier so been pumpin

[strange python]

What should I run major minor I don’t wanna fucking pvp for 80k honor I sold my old acc and I’ve a new one since 3 months

[frigid briar]

433 itmlvl though o/

[bleak spoke]

433 equipped?

[strange python]

For raiding

[frigid briar]

lucid and world vein

[bleak spoke]

Large and in charge

[frigid briar]

pulling 40k on patchwork, feels strong man

[bleak spoke]

Yeah, that’s pretty sick

[barren talon]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[frigid briar]

still need to get inkpod though

[strange python]

@frigid briar Lucid major and WV minor? Atm i have lucid Major and that Laser blast Minor

[bleak spoke]

I wish I had better benthic luck or the will to send over rolls from alts

Inkpod is actually enormous

[frigid briar]

laser blast is pad imo but still sims good for ST

inkpod and coral is nutty AF

[bleak spoke]

It’s just such a good progress trinket

[strange python]

What does pad mean

[frigid briar]

if you have 10 rogues with inkpod and coral you can legit do 10m to boss instantly when you hit 30%

[tough whale]

If they dont crit wipe and re-try

[arctic walrus]

Almost there

[bleak spoke]

Damn I really should have done that before heroic week

[frigid briar]

You guys seen this, Its not my stream btw, im not advertising. Some of you will be amazinf

https://clips.twitch.tv/ProtectiveAmazonianHumanChefFrank

[bleak spoke]

I can’t believe I convinced myself that it wouldn’t be that good

[frigid briar]

watch the burst damage

M+ meta?

[misty tusk]

wtf was that

[frigid briar]

LOLOLOLOLOL

[bleak spoke]

Lmaoooo

That’s the classic

[tough whale]

Good old mechagon trinket

That thing fucking wrecked me in pvp earlier

[frigid briar]

LOLOL

[tough whale]

131k to the dome

[frigid briar]

how much in pvp?

[bleak spoke]

Is that the car bomb trinket

[tough whale]

131k

[frigid briar]

crit?

[tough whale]

ye

[misty tusk]

what's the name of that trink?

[frigid briar]

WEEWW

where does it even drop

[bleak spoke]

Yeah I was play 2s with a windwalker and legit it was his top dam every game

[frigid briar]

I couldnt find it in the lot table

[tough whale]

Trixie & Naeno

the duo in emchagon

[frigid briar]

anyone wanna do mecha? hahaha

[tough whale]

Already did HM D:

didnt drop

[frigid briar]

does it only drop in HM?

[tough whale]

nah

[frigid briar]

its not in journal

[bleak spoke]

Lool I did mechagon with some career pvpers this reset and they bonus rolled on that boss

[tough whale]

check overall loot

[bleak spoke]

Yeah it is

[ripe nimbus]

I have that trinket how did they get it to do actual damage because mine sucks

[tough whale]

well 1, it cleaved, lol

[frigid briar]

cleaved is an understatement

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that is big splat

[frigid briar]

i seen bricks fly out the walls

think its 25k per target and 50k if crit, per target within ** yards

[bleak spoke]

That was more like an episode of Will it Blend

[frigid briar]

lol

that youtube channel that crushed stuff 😛

[bleak spoke]

Yeeee

[tough whale]

Yeah i had a guardian druid use that + the max HP in damage essence

[bleak spoke]

I loved that shit lmao

[tough whale]

and i actually got 1 shot

[frigid briar]

lol

I might try n get it actually

wait till last phase on jellyman boss mythic

and when tank just stacks all adds before boss dies I'll pop it for rank 1

fuck progress

[bleak spoke]

Lool

[frigid briar]

LOL

nah jokes, fuck logs

Logs this teir will be, who tagged more with iris

[bleak spoke]

That’s the sort of shit that would be hilarious on farm though

[tropic ocean]

what trinket is that

[frigid briar]

dont tell him

[bleak spoke]

The car bomb one from mechagon

Oh

[tough whale]

The play is everyone w/ inkpod, everyone with r3 blood of the enemy

[bleak spoke]

2late

[tough whale]

everyone crits, it procs 25% bonus crit damage, boss dies, collect loot

skip execcute

[tropic ocean]

holy shit

[bleak spoke]

Is inkpod dam affected by any modifiers from classes

[tough whale]

If i get an inkpod ill fuck around and test it with bote

[frigid briar]

how much crit does 20 stacks of coral trinket give

its like 111 crit per stack right?

what % is that

[tough whale]

at 430 its 110 a stack

[bleak spoke]

That’s like 40% ish

Cuz blightborne is like just over 1k and that’s 20%

[frigid briar]

so coral, vanish and base stat into inkpod

gg EZ clap

1m burst

[bleak spoke]

Idk if ma buff would work

[frigid briar]

it does

[bleak spoke]

Dank

Definitely benthic crit boots

[tough whale]

im ready for bote r3 modifier

[amber sun]

https://i.imgur.com/ge7AblL.png

[frigid briar]

I was doing Mythic+ with swagstep from method other day

[amber sun]

thank god i went casual this patch

[frigid briar]

He had font and was like 435 itmlvl

[bleak spoke]

That dude is a beast

[frigid briar]

legit bursting for 145k on boss

[bleak spoke]

Man I’m not sure when to channel that thing in m+

[frigid briar]

actuall nutz

when ever you have cds

[bleak spoke]

But I’ve been running with guild tanks and I never get a countdown

[frigid briar]

channel stealth and nuke

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[bleak spoke]

When I play with my team again it’ll be easy

[frigid briar]

dude

you have evasion

its like the caster rule

you know the caster rule right?

[bleak spoke]

Nah

What is it

[frigid briar]

If you have a proc for previous fight thats exactly how long the tank has to pull next pack

[bleak spoke]

Ohh

Yeah

[frigid briar]

Never lose procs

[tough whale]

Even less tiem if you're in voidform

[bleak spoke]

The 5 buff rule

[frigid briar]

% buff rule is different

5*

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s the me pull with tricks and vanish

[frigid briar]

if you get five roll you grapple hook chain pull with trick, cloak and repost up

ripost*

brb

[bleak spoke]

Man my team memes me all the time about that

No matter what part of the dungeon we’re in if I get a. 5 buff someone screams pull the boss

I wonder if any of these other trinkets are worth using in m+ tbh

The coral probably just cuz crits so good

[tough whale]

raaaazorcoral

[bleak spoke]

Maybe can transition to a super high mastery build

And use coral to bridge the crit

I think the logical conclusion of this is you play bote and exsang maybe

Just to generate energy very fast

[keen spruce]

If you're running lucid dreams major

[bleak spoke]

Nah

[keen spruce]

Mast get's a lot better

[bleak spoke]

Lucid dreams major is trap in keys imo

[keen spruce]

oh in keys

sorry I just saw your last couple messages

[bleak spoke]

It’s like a secondary cd that has no value except on st

[keen spruce]

yeah

[bleak spoke]

People are like hey play 3 eb and lucid to spam fok

But that’s also terrible

Cuz you can’t get setup

[keen spruce]

yeah EB lost a lot of value

with emissaries

there's better stuff to run

[bleak spoke]

You’ll get the foks anyway with normal rotation and have healthy e regen

[keen spruce]

if you have 3 ruptures up your regen will be fine

even on low haste

[bleak spoke]

So like 30 seconds into a pull your dps is the same except if you did the lucid thing to cheat you have no bleeds up and you’re tapped on energy

Which is lmao

[keen spruce]

I'm running lucid minor only because I'm on 11% haste

and I don't have a m+ gear set

[bleak spoke]

I think lucid minor is too much of a gain on st to not take

[keen spruce]

yeah you get starved out pretty hard without it

[tough whale]

good gain in general

[bleak spoke]

I can’t imagine any other minor having that much impact

[keen spruce]

unless you're keeping really high haste

[bleak spoke]

Yeah lucid minor makes it so energy balance is so much more lenient

Nah you never go high haste in m+

That’s trap af

On 4 bleeds with 10-12% haste you’re at energy equilibrium spamming fok and finishers

And it’s not enough of a gain on ST compared to stacking mastery and crit like you would anyway

I think maybe lucid minor lets you play as though you had good haste but you can actually have base haste from neck

Which means you just budget harder into other stats

[tribal marlin]

imma switch subter in ST

so I can full gem crit

[frigid briar]

blood major, lucid minor 3 echo blade, 1 ttk, 1 np and 3 garrotes

[tribal marlin]

and have same gem for raid and m+ :/

[bleak spoke]

I think I want to try blood major with 3 shrouded

And set up bleeds then pop the essence

How long does blood major last anyway

[tribal marlin]

It's pretty fun

[frigid briar]

thats how i play

[tribal marlin]

10sec

[frigid briar]

no finishers just FOK spam

[bleak spoke]

Yeh I see it

[tribal marlin]

basically you do GGG vanish GGG Blood

spam fok

150k dps

[bleak spoke]

Man there’s no way it can’t go higher than that

[fiery hazel]

with or without EB trait stacked?

[bleak spoke]

I don’t think you do 6 garrotes in a row

[tribal marlin]

well you do 150k for a few sec and hten drop a bit

[bleak spoke]

I think you just do 3 and pop essence and smack

And then after the window you vanish and go again

Cuz in a large pack the dpet on fok is still higher than g

[tribal marlin]

I used to drop all 6 garrote immediately to maximise the overlap with Blood buff

but I'm also night elf so