assassination

[dense axle]

Oh, your crit and haste are already high

I'm at 27 crit, 17 haste, and like 55 mastery and it's telling me they're all basically tied in value

[glacial mist]

is 11% haste low?

[unreal perch]

pretty low

[jagged hatch]

yeah my haste was at about 1.4k but rings swap and drop me to 1k

[rigid mango]

Sims aren't static

There isn't one stat that we hard stack

They're all very close, follow sims

🙏

[unreal perch]

ya it's just whatever you need at the time

that being said damn I need crit

[glacial mist]

so if im running double dose, i typically want higher haste then 11% huh

[jagged hatch]

So, should I listen top gear and do the re-gem / enchanting?

[rigid mango]

Depends what the sim says bud

[unreal perch]

it really isn't just "I'm running this I need X"

depends how bad you want the small boost Chimichangas

well, 650 isn't a bad boost

but you get my point

[jagged hatch]

From current gear / stats I have to the top gear recommended is about 200 dps upgrade.

[unreal perch]

oh it was showing 650 on that link. weird

well point stands, how bad do you want that 200 dps?

[jagged hatch]

I guess for now not much.

Thanks

[glacial mist]

what is a normal amount of haste?

[unreal perch]

it's a bit hard to say a "normal amount"

[glacial mist]

or rather

let me be more specific, i'm having a problem with "pooling"

i figured more haste would be the solution, but

[fallow cypress]

Anyone know if there any videos/guides/info on this ttk/eb build for M+ i've been hearing some talk about?

[glacial mist]

i'm just not able to get enough mutilates out

if im running double dose 3x, is fok worth using?

[unreal perch]

I mean you may very well be low on haste. if you need more, the sims will say

[glacial mist]

if there are 3 targets?

[shy axle]

iirc 5 with 3 DD

5 targets

[glacial mist]

gotcha

and when is it worth it to multi dot?

ffor example queen's court crystals

or both bosses

is it going to be worth it for me to dot both?

or just stay on one

[shy axle]

if you have a 2 target fight or in general adds that live long enough

at leat but a rupture up for the energiereg

least

[unreal perch]

it's too much movement to constantly keep dots on both for court

[glacial mist]

and someone told me i should pool energy before envenoms

[unreal perch]

it's good to have some energy pooled for TB windows

[glacial mist]

so what i generally do is i awlays use toxic blade when i'm at almost max energy

[unreal perch]

don't delay TB

[glacial mist]

so have energy pooled for tb on cast

[unreal perch]

also don't let it actually hit cap

[glacial mist]

mhm

is there a point of pooling energy for just regular envenoms/mutilates

or is it the same if im just spamming my mutilate-->mutilate--> envenom

[unreal perch]

not really

[tropic ocean]

pretty much only pool for tb

[glacial mist]

now, another question when tb is about to expire

and i'm at 3 combo points

[fallow cypress]

technically i think it increases your chance for DD to proc if you can git 2 muts into that env window

[glacial mist]

is it better ot just mutilate again, with tb effects or to envenom

with the 3 combo points

[fallow cypress]

but you probably should be able to anyways? so it might not be worth pooling to game it

[unreal perch]

just go for the 4+

[glacial mist]

kk

i kept on wondering if envnenoming there with less cp

would be better or the extra mutilate

[austere ruin]

guys, for razor coral, do u guys wait to use it with the 2 min CD, or how many crit u guys will stack before reactive

[unreal perch]

generally use it with vendetta

[austere ruin]

koo

[junior flume]

There was a big talk about it earlier 😄 Basically use it with vendetta and then reactivate it after the vendetta window

[versed mica]

Is the overclock card really good for sin? I think raidbots still sims it prebuff

[unreal perch]

cyclotronic is better

[urban plover]

I missed the chat about the trinkets earlier, sims tell me font+coral...which do i use with vendetta

[glacial mist]

Do you guys think it’s better to get an extra set of cds

[tropic ocean]

you use font pre pull

[glacial mist]

Or to use your cds with lust with 1 less use

[austere ruin]

but first on pull, when u use with vendetta, u won't stack enough crit for it

[tropic ocean]

set of extra cds

unless u need the dps during lust

like on ashvane

cuz killing encounter >> individual dps

[glacial mist]

Gotcha

[urban plover]

second vendetta I have to decide to use the crit or font

[glacial mist]

Now say you have that extra set of cds

[unreal perch]

no you won't

[glacial mist]

Is it better to use second pot on cds or lust

[unreal perch]

you'll probably be using font on CD

[urban plover]

you use font when vendetta has 4secs left, that puts the coral on a 20 sec CD

[austere ruin]

u guys suggest equip font and razor carol?

[dense cedar]

hmmm this upgrade with give me +13 dps

[tropic ocean]

I suggest equipping whatever gives u highest dps

[dense cedar]

powerful

[tropic ocean]

unless the gain is very minimal

[unreal perch]

font when vendetta has 4 seconds left?

[tropic ocean]

then I rather drop 50dps and dont use 2 on use

[unreal perch]

you use font on pull, then on CD

[urban plover]

the cd of vendetta

and what about second vendetta

you font RIGHT before vendetta comes up

[unreal perch]

second vendetta comes up after font

[urban plover]

exactly

putting coral on cd

[flat obsidian]

What exactly is the ideal usage of coral? I've heard 2-3 different things

oh nvm I scould have scrolled up

I'm dumb

[echo shadow]

Does the most recent guide follow all ilvls or are there tiers in which certain talents are more viable?

[unreal perch]

you just kinda have to sim yourself

[echo shadow]

alright, just confirming

ty

[unreal perch]

certain talents generally won't be good, but some vary based on other factors

[grand matrix]

Is the assa' loot specialization worth to get haste masterie ?

[solid nova]

Loot spec doesnt determine stats on weapons

[grand matrix]

even for armor ?

[unreal perch]

nope

armour is the same stats it'll always be

but you'll wana be assassin if you're playing assassin, because daggers

[grand matrix]

ok thanks you 😃

[jagged hatch]

is it worth it to level up unsocketed frost bracers, or keep gambling for the socket?

[fallow otter]

gamble

[jagged hatch]

Cool, ty

[shy axle]

which addon are you using to make the explosives stand out between the other nameplates?

[fallow otter]

plater

+mod

[tall narwhal]

guys i couldnt wait and i rolled my 430 azerite

which do i choose

unstable catalyst or scent of blood

😭

[vapid scarab]

[lean coral]

choose to go back in time and save for a 440

[tall narwhal]

both are dogshit tier right

😄

i wish man!

[echo shadow]

well, you pick the one that has the coolest dog shit then

I personally prefer Lab dog shit over puddles

[tall narwhal]

youre right

i think ill take scent of blood

[echo shadow]

A cocker spaniel dog shit might be good tho

[tall narwhal]

that way ill have at least contorl over dogshit tier

and not rely on rng

[echo shadow]

You are the dogshit master

[tall narwhal]

:

[bleak spoke]

Unstable catalyst is probably less bad

You got the venture co chest right

[echo shadow]

of the two, unstable is proc reliant, but scent of blood is just straight up reliable

[bleak spoke]

Reliably awful

Unstable catalyst has a chance of procing at good times and being okay

Scent of blood is consistently terrible

[strange python]

Guys how is possible has double dose as second Best dmg on ST

[echo shadow]

there is a 300 dps difference between scent of blood and unstable catalyst at ilvl 430.

[strange python]

i saw ppl has 30% dmg done with it and i háve max 13%

[vapid scarab]

Mastery, pooling before env

[bleak spoke]

Yeah because you average out the times it’s awful and good and it works out to be vaguely better pull to pull

How many dd are you running

[strange python]

2 DD

but that other guy has too 2 DD

[bleak spoke]

You’re playing it wrong then, you have to change your playstyle a bit

[echo shadow]

he probably has remembered to put poison on his daggers

[bleak spoke]

You have two windows from non cd abilities as an assa rogue - elaborate planning and envenom

Both of which affect dd

You should attempt to fit as many mutilates into the time where these windows are open

To heighten you chance of proccing the trait

[tall narwhal]

@bleak spoke correct

[bleak spoke]

So instead of using your energy as you get it you want to save your energy when you have high cp

[strange python]

Hm i must check his rotation and compare it to my

[bleak spoke]

So you can envenom and mutilate to high cp in the ep window

[nimble tartan]

anyone else do hecka keys and get no weapon yet B)

and by hecka i mean 2 !!

[warm ruin]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[echo shadow]

cool! that's excellent feedback. I will bring that to my own rotation, thanks @bleak spoke

[harsh sphinx]

14 keys for a 430 dagger

[bleak spoke]

I got a 440 dagger out of my pvp chest omr 😃

[tall narwhal]

aaaa

[nimble tartan]

lucky

[dark parcel]

what Benthic gear piece is best after the boots? Bracers, belt or gloves?

[bleak spoke]

Will trade you the dagger for your consistent blightborne luck from rolling shoulders smile

[strange python]

ty too, thats Will my problém bcs i have better gear as HIM and he outdps me about 4k dps

@dark parcel belt and bracers

[bleak spoke]

Bottom line is you want to make sure you don’t let your bleeds drop off, and you don’t lose any casts of toxic blade or vendetta in a fight

After that you want to fit as many envenoms into your tb windows as possible

And the as many mutilates into your envenom/ep windows

If you do all of that in a fight even in very average gear it’s roughly an orange parse

[strange python]

nah thats good for me, never drop bleeds, but i think that problém is, i sometimes use rupture/garrote to env/tb window

[bleak spoke]

There are many little things that you can do to go above and beyond that but focus on trying to not refresh bleeds in tb and getting high value out of your cds

After a while you’ll notice some patterns in your rotation that you like or dislike and you’ll know how to work on them in a way

Reading good logs can help a lot

[pliant wing]

would you rather lost 4-5sec of rupt/garrote, or reapply before the pandemic before a TB window ?

[bleak spoke]

Letting either garrote or rupture drop off is a very hard punish to your dps

[pliant wing]

so you reapply before pandemic or do you rupt in TB window ?

[bleak spoke]

If you find yourself in a situation where it feels unavoidable, you can either refresh before pandemic, rupture in tb window or apply a three point rupture if it’s gonna drop off a global or two after tb

But after the fight definitely review your casts/rotation to figure out how you got into that spot to begin with

[pliant wing]

ok thanks

[south horizon]

what is the reasoning that a lot of top parses in the raid are using BotE over lucid dreams for the major, and worldvein minor? lucid is parsing quite a bit higher for me, but feels clunkier to use

[zenith hatch]

but combo BoTE major + lucid minor will give better outcome overall

[lament dove]

well I won't farm honor, so I guess f*ck me

[peak saffron]

@south horizon I'm in the same boat. rank 3 lucid major + rank 3 crucible minor sims higher than any combination with Blood of the Enemy rank 3, and I can't figure out why rogues in logs are using it

[scarlet sequoia]

could it be, that not many people have crucible rank 3 yet 😮

[peak saffron]

well, even purfectogg, Method's assassination rogue, who has 60 neck, is also running it atm

[scarlet sequoia]

well its a really good essence, especially since bis isnt available yet

[fair hill]

they are using it because the minor from lucid is very good and bote major > lucid major ( just the major part )

so BotE Major is a 3116 dps increase ( just the major part ), and Lucid Major is 2209.

[nimble tartan]

last 2 keys i did someone got 450s

[fair hill]

if what I am reading on herodamage is correct

[tropic ocean]

@nimble tartan i got 450 ring 430 socketed ring and 430 weap from first 3 keys

😛

[hot copper]

My sims keep telling me a second stack of TC outweighs an initial stack of NP, is that actually possible or am I just doing something wrong in the sims?

Even at 75% uptime

[normal quail]

Man... I got pure trash from weekly chests...

[winter moss]

link sim

[normal quail]

@nimble tartan is that even possible? isnt the max drop 415 (+titanforged)

[solid nova]

TF cap is 455

So, yes?

And its 430

From 10 base

[hot copper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/947rbL78mVeK1DsBMHJX8s -- Older sim, but same effect

[winter moss]

[normal quail]

Was a question, no need to answer in a cocky way

[winter moss]

the diffrence

is

13 dmg

[cold patio]

hm on Ravenholdt Guide opener Master Assassin talented starts with garrote but raidbots sim starts with mut?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r9fK8B2q76YifRt3A8oLmi/simc

[rigid mango]

Yes

There's a very tiny gain doing that opener with blood

[cold patio]

i dont use blood

[cunning scaffold]

with ashvanes coral trinket,i basically open with it then absorb the stacks with the next vendetta, and then reapply for then wait for next vendetta, is this the correct way to use it?

[cold patio]

so i does not realy matter to open with garrote or mut ma talented?

*it

[winter moss]

marginal gain

[small island]

so what azerite is best to gamble this week? Shoulders?

[vagrant urchin]

which is the best prepot now?

[broken meteor]

How different is the rotation with MA and no SS with 3xNP?(and when should you use your essence ability)

[zenith hatch]

garrote mut mut vendetta BotE vanish TB

sorry after first mut go rupt

[broken meteor]

Oh yep i see now alot mroe dps Dx ty!

[velvet talon]

Hey guys,care to help me to decide which tirnket to use?
I have [Harlan's Loaded Dice] 410 with socket
[Lustrous Golden Plumage] 420
[Dead-Eye Spyglass] 400
[Shockbiter's Fang] 420
Im going with master assassin spec

[solid nova]

Just run it through Top Gear

[velvet talon]

Alright,thanks!

[normal quail]

hm, I should use Dungeon Slice instead of HecticAdd Cleave to sim my M+ right?

[solid nova]

Yes

[rigid mango]

Dungeonslice is still wonky for sin

[normal quail]

just fooling around with a friends gear etc

Anyone here that has the 2/2/2 M+ parts? wanna see how much it sims etc

kinda bored at work, nothing to do

[upbeat hazel]

do i run eb for this week?

[solid nova]

Every week

[unkempt karma]

question is, do we save the residuum until we have 47k?

[upbeat geode]

i do

[solid nova]

Yes

Dont see much point wasting it on HC gear tbh

[glossy shoal]

Do we have exact usage for Ashvane trinket? Is it just on pull then re-use with second ven?

[upbeat geode]

there is something about it in the pins, you may want ot read that first

[wise whale]

wouldnt it make sense to have asim on herodamage that combines everything? the default gear+azerit traits+essencens?

now there is either essences or traits

[solid nova]

Why would that make more sense than individually seeing their generic weights then simming your character specifically?

[wise whale]

i am talkin about the combination tab

there is just a max dps value

[upbeat hazel]

what about focusing iris? still use it on tyra week?

[solid nova]

I mean the max dps value comes out of raidbots sims from your own simc

Rather than the generic weightings of bloodmallet/Herodamage

[wise whale]

yeah sure but then why is the combination tab there in the first place if it does not show a full combination

[solid nova]

But if you're wanting a combination, thats exactly what raidbots offers you

Bloodmallet/Herodamage offers individual weighted sims and its down to the player to utilise that, not for those websites to tell you XYZ is better as a full combination, because it would just be wrong

[wise whale]

hmm ok

[mighty elm]

nvm

[wise whale]

is it possible to change the essence in gear compare?

[tepid aurora]

yes, at the bottom where it says "Azerite essences"

oh gear compare...

[brisk crag]

Hi guys,
Wanting to play with Master Assassin talent, I would like to ask you what is the opener ? I checked WoWHead, Icy Veins, Ravenholdt and even Method's website but none of those four sites said the same thing so... I'm a little lost.

[wise whale]

how can i find the sim codes for the essences?

5:2:3:6 or something like that

yeah in gear compare

you can do it in the sim code directly

but i don´t know the id for the essence combinations

[solid nova]

Put it i top gear

and just click the essences you want to compare

[wise whale]

but then i cant add items

that i dont own

ah i see you mean put the essences in top gear an look up the code in the sim code?

that might wor

k

[dark crag]

@brisk crag

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[dark crag]

If you can't find the opener, you probably can't read

[nimble tartan]

Well, he said he found it but was unsure cause they all said different things

[strange python]

focusing iris should be decent this week shouldn't it

cause it's boss dmg anyway

and the haste is nice

[nimble tartan]

naoya usually the best bet is to use raidbots and go through the apl and check pins here usually it’s up to date information

[strange python]

i wouldn't normally run it for aoe cause fuck haste

[winter moss]

@brisk crag Standard: Gar, Mut, Rupt, Vendetta, Vanish, TB, Mut til 4CP, Env ....

[brisk crag]

@nimble tartan Jesus, thank you for reading my message entirely.

[winter moss]

if you know what you do: Mut, Gar, Rupt, Vendetta, Vanish, TB, Mut til 4CP, Env

^ sim opener

[nimble tartan]

• Suuper minimal gain with Blood to not Garrote during Stealth/Master Assassin in the opener, so it becomes Muti->Rup->Muti->Garrote->... or Muti->Muti->Rup->Garrote->... with Rup at 4+ depending on Seal Fate CP. This is really negligible over the course of a full fight but if you wanna minmax for MA opener burst, there you go.

[brisk crag]

Alright, thx @nimble tartan for your answer.

[dark crag]

What does blood change? Do you get 1 stack sooner of bloodsoaked?

[vernal fern]

When do you use blood in this sequence ?

[stoic zephyr]

undulating tides is shit right?

[dark crag]

If you never drop under 50% hp no

[stoic zephyr]

in an ideal world that's great, but surely the negative outweighs the positive effect?

[dark crag]

Yes

With both effects separated and the shield slightly nerfed it would be very good, but currently it is trash

[livid tide]

Is it worth to play Blindside at Lady Ashvane?

[dark crag]

No

Blindside doesn't proc dd and when you use it in execute you render up to 3 azerites useless, except you don't use any dd at all, but then your problems are different

[livid tide]

Yes, i realised the DD-Problem with Blindside. Maybe 3xNP+3xTTK or 3xSS

[molten mirage]

what is the best way to use azshara's font of power after pre pull use, should i pop it during down time in a fight or right when my CD's are up?

[woven summit]

Yo I see some fellow rogues using Iris major + Lucid minor for keys. How optimal is it?

I mean the lucid minor part how optimal is it

[fresh turret]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[livid tide]

Use Azsharas Font of Power pre-vendetta, but dont overcap energy

[molten mirage]

thanks @livid tide

[lusty narwhal]

man sims just dont want me to have haste at ALL

[empty badge]

crit is OP

[quiet abyss]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[quiet abyss]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[quiet abyss]

!talents

[solid nova]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[quiet abyss]

ths

[strange python]

what m+ essences are you guys running

[rigid mango]

meme beam

[strange python]

just gonna stick with iris major lucid minor

[rigid mango]

Idd, it's good imo

[wise whale]

who can sim more?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r4Qgqw2cnjwwkm5m6KrCGD

[royal lantern]

3 essence slots

you are cheating mate

[wise whale]

yes but who can sim more?

[tall narwhal]

holy moly

[winter moss]

he is cheating

439 neck

!= 65

[wise whale]

of cause i am cheating just for fun

[solid nova]

Add 425 benthic with socket

[winter moss]

no fun allowed

[solid nova]

If you want more

[winter moss]

this is spec channel

[solid nova]

and sockets

[wise whale]

i ran the same with MA and its only 7dps less

[plucky ether]

So pins say to go for the 2% belt, why this over the random damage belt?

[winter gale]

When I am simming with worldvein, how much should I put in sim? 3?

[solemn meadow]

I would love to quit the game

😃

because blizzard doesnt want me to play

10 dungeons 0 upgrades

435 weekly pvp I get a trinket with max hp

weekly 440? I get a belt thats useless since benthic exists

[wise whale]

tough luck

[solemn meadow]

I get every other trinket

thats not plumage or dice

I got the motherlode trinket / atal trinket / sethralis trinket

[wise whale]

@winter gale you put in the lvl you have

[solid nova]

@wise whale Hes talking about the allies who also have Worldvein

Not the individual rank

[wise whale]

ah ok

[solid nova]

Depends on your raid group

[wise whale]

well then its hard to sim

[solid nova]

Its not accurate on sims anyway as the uptime is unreliable

[wise whale]

for m+ a combination of ss and eb should be finde right?

fine

or is there another import AOE trait?

[rigid mango]

ss eb ttk

[wise whale]

ttk because you have enough energy to spam it?

i mean spam envenom

[empty badge]

3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss op op

[sturdy dust]

So I was checking logs and came across one of the top rogues in Vodkaz. He's only running one DD trait and is doing 39k-41k on most encounters: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/anarchyrogue

[rigid mango]

not 3 eb

I don't think over 2 eb in s3 is worht it.

[empty badge]

@sturdy dust his azerite is 445 that is why

[solid nova]

425 lurkers, 445 weapon, 6 sockets

[empty badge]

3 eb is still great

[solid nova]

Its more than 1 trait

3 benthic pieces

[rigid mango]

It's really overrated.

I wouldn't recommend people to take it.

[bronze topaz]

which potions are simming highest for you? for me it is unbrindled fury

[empty badge]

idk i think its good when going higher - when im running anything less than a 12 i take 3 ttk generally

[rigid mango]

Unless fort ml/fh weeks, amybe

[empty badge]

well 80% of the dungeon is going to be killing mobs either way

[rigid mango]

Yeah, I know

But it's still overrated

The sizes of pulls you're doing isn't as high

The value of low target/prio dmg is higher, so running 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss or 2/2/2 is better

Running 3 eb is once again, heavy pad

@bronze topaz yes, unbridled is best

[devout gazelle]

Guys just got a random Fathomstalker Wristwraps with socket.. Is it worth to upgrade this than the frost dmg one? The difference is around 50dps according to sims

[empty badge]

i never did like 2/2/2

it feels bad but maybe 3 ss is worth revisiting

[devout gazelle]

and i dont feel so lucky to gample on 1/6 bracers 😄

[empty badge]

without reaping you could possibly get more restealths

[rigid mango]

Without reaping?

How does that matter

[empty badge]

well generally you had to kill reaping and ss just didnt matter as much

[rigid mango]

Oh no, not the reaping dmg argument

pls no

[empty badge]

lol

[rigid mango]

Reaping damage didn't matter

SS gets worse the higher you go, because shit outlives the dot

and other traits will go ahead

It's got a weird middle ground if you can consistantly get 3

target cleave, where it's giga, like KR

[empty badge]

with reaping I always thought restealthing was harder since if you didnt kill 1 mob in the pack and then it reaps you dont get tor esealth right or if something lags (less likely )

Last season I didnt like going above 1 ss ever

[rigid mango]

So you mean, missplaying reaping made SS worse?

[empty badge]

3 ttk is probably jsut the way to go though for focus targeting

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how SS is so close on prio dmg

I can't really say it's definite

I went 3 SS nearly every KR key I did, and I'd go similar shit for ToS keys too

[empty badge]

KR is probably the only one I would think it is good because the mobs are more mini bosses

[rigid mango]

Any where you get consistantly low target cleave has high potential for SS

ToS/KR being those two

[empty badge]

yeah probably the only 2

I have been shifting from 3 EB though

Last night I was doing 3 TTK 2 EB 1 SS in most keys

3 TTK is just really good though

[rigid mango]

So why say 3 eb is the play

[empty badge]

Because EB is special to me

[rigid mango]

feelycraft

[empty badge]

👀

[rigid mango]

Nice.

With the pull sizes, I don't think taking 3 eb is generally recommendable.

[empty badge]

Yeah, I think the biggest pull was about 7 and that was in fh but generally its 3-4

[rigid mango]

Yeah, so 3-4 aka 2/2/2 central.

[wise whale]

i like the discussion verry educational for me

today i will buy 3 hero azerite gear token and hope for the best

[rigid mango]

watf

why

[empty badge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w1V2gWXBh3CxsDSrszSitB

can we tlak about how lucky i got with this trinket though

[strange python]

Save for 445 pieces

[wise whale]

haha no

[strange python]

430 is huge waste

[empty badge]

Dont buy anything less than 445

jesus

[urban frigate]

using Font and Coral, I am ending up having to hold Vendetta for anywhere from 8 to 20 seconds if I want to line up Coral with Vendetta, feels janky

[rigid mango]

Why's that?

[wise whale]

I play each raid only 2-3 month, clear HC do m+15 and then i quit till the next raid

i cant wait for 445

[celest drift]

hello guys, quick question, here are my weight stats

[strange python]

You have to wait a single week for 445 tho

What

haha its funny to see how lucky all people are

[celest drift]

should i go all out on mastery gems/enchant?

[strange python]

i think my account is flagged

[rigid mango]

Use top gear

[marble elm]

Sim top gear for gems and enchants

[rigid mango]

Sim it, and go from there

[celest drift]

alright

[wise whale]

1 week is not enough for 1 445 azerite item

it takes me probably more like 3 weeks

[empty badge]

what

[marble elm]

Mastery likely won’t be your highest weight anymore if you use stat weights to do all your gems and enchants

[strange python]

If you have enough for 3 430 azerite pieces right now, you should have a 445 next week

[empty badge]

if you just do a +10 each week you have it in 2 weeks most likely

[wise whale]

17k per week at +10

so 3 weeks

[empty badge]

ah

[celest drift]

yea that was my interogation @marble elm

[urban frigate]

depends how many residuum you came in to s3 with

[celest drift]

thanks again 😃

[urban frigate]

if you wanna get 445 asap

[tulip tide]

so.. do we have any knowledge about which benthic gear to aim for, for which slot?

[solid nova]

Yeah

[tulip tide]

or is it not worth?

[empty badge]

get the boots and belt

[strange python]

Youll get 430 azerite from clearing heroic each week, wasting residuum on 430 pieces is big waste imo

[celest drift]

boots/belt/wrist

[wise whale]

that is an argument i can get behind...

but i want some now

[mossy ferry]

just coin 445 off the first 2 bosses np

[wise whale]

i only have 405 benthic azerite gear...

[empty badge]

🤦

[tulip tide]

so.. which affix for the boots/belt/wrist ?

[celest drift]

Boots: Crit damage
Waist: 2% damage to aberrations (Orgozoa and Za'qul)
Wrist: Frost damage

[solid nova]

Benthic gear doesnt apply its effects to m+ dungeons?

[celest drift]

(check the pins :<)

only in eternal palace/nazjatar y

[urban frigate]

[tulip tide]

oh sorry! ill check there

[urban frigate]

i really need the good rogues to get coral and font, so they can tell me how to use it, I am a bad player, but very lucky

[wise whale]

search this channel they discussed it many times

[fathom wyvern]

When running blood of the enemy whats the most optimal way of using it?

[urban frigate]

oh true

[fathom wyvern]

for the vanish?

[pure sand]

How should Cyclotronic Blast be added to the rotation

[strange python]

good question

[fathom wyvern]

its your filler

when your energy is 0 and you got no TB or vendetta up

[pure sand]

So whenever i'm starved on energy

[fathom wyvern]

ye

[pure sand]

I've seen some rogues use on opener prior to Vendetta

[solid nova]

Blood usage is also pinned

As is Coral trinket use

[hollow junco]

using cyclotronic on opener precludes lining up any other on-use trinket with the opener, which is bad since the strongest trinkets this tier are on-use and should be paired with cooldowns

[wise whale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6tMZPk24WhXzxDGH#fight=20&type=casts&source=63&view=timeline

here you can see blood opener

with MA for big burst

[fathom wyvern]

ty

[empty badge]

you used TB and then vanish

what

[solid nova]

Negligible difference

[rigid mango]

^

iirc it's the one that can high roll

[wise whale]

and it unfortunetly was not me

[crystal heath]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[wise whale]

oh by the way can someone tell me how many of the meme beam lvl 3 items he got in a +10 chest this week?

[rigid mango]

I got 8

[empty badge]

i as well got 8

[wise whale]

we need 15 right?

[empty badge]

thats what it says on the item probably

[wise whale]

thx

[mossy ferry]

I did a +10 and got 5

[solid nova]

2 weeks if you did a 15 last week and this week

3 weeks of 10s

[rigid mango]

I did a 17

[bleak spoke]

15 I think

[rigid mango]

Yeah^

[solid nova]

Im confusing the shit with TR

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

Actually true

[solid nova]

Too many intellectually challenging questions recently

[bleak spoke]

Okay here’s one for you

[solid nova]

Sim it

[wise whale]

so which benthic gear we are aiming for?

[bleak spoke]

Okay you win

[solid nova]

The ones in the pins

As 4-5 people have said before

[bleak spoke]

I got socketed pufferfish bracers!

[empty badge]

[wise whale]

oh reallllllly??

[solid nova]

Cant tell if bad troll

Yeah i got frost damage ones

Puffer probably better tbh

[bleak spoke]

Now I just need a metric ton of pearls

Wait but why

[solid nova]

Cleave splash

[empty badge]

i have boots and belt socketed and 425 pog

[bleak spoke]

The frost shock ones sim way higher

[final dust]

I’m running lucid with font of power and mecha trinket it feels like I’m not running out of energy so I’m not able to use either lucid or mecha until like 1-1:30 into the fight should I be spamming envnoms so that I can use these ASAP or just go with the flow?

[bleak spoke]

Oh I guess

[solid nova]

Yeah on ST

But theres more cleave

[strange python]

Puffer gets fucked from movement, and does less ST

but the cleave is p insane

[vestal wren]

the diffrence isnt even "way higher"

[solid nova]

Ive got wrists/boots/belt, just need like 130 more pearls to finish upgrading them all

[vestal wren]

more like "slightly higher"

[bleak spoke]

Can you mail benthic pieces then vendor them for pearls

[final dust]

No

[bleak spoke]

From alts

[solid nova]

No

Becomes untradable

[bleak spoke]

Heck

[solid nova]

At the point of mail

[empty badge]

425 benthic with socket is equiv to a 450 with no socket in raid

just saying

[bleak spoke]

I screwed up

[solid nova]

Its more than that

[bleak spoke]

I should have kept the pearls on my rogue

[empty badge]

[hybrid laurel]

hey guys!

[vestal wren]

well its:
425 base value
15-30 itemlvl value from socket
10+ itemlvl value from effect

[bleak spoke]

On the bright side it means I don’t have to play my warlock

[solid nova]

425 benthic socket, outsims 455 with socket

[empty badge]

👀

[solid nova]

On all my slots

[bleak spoke]

I want the crit damage boots still I guess

[hybrid laurel]

ive been pretty lucky with benthic so far

[solid nova]

Ye i got them first

[hybrid laurel]

got 3 best pieces with socket lol

waist, wrist and boots

[teal maple]

Iris rank 2 or lucid rank 1 for st?

[bleak spoke]

I made an error which was I went for pieces that I didn’t already have good gear in their corresponding slots to roll first

[teal maple]

Sim says iris but i feel like lucid would do more?

[solid nova]

Probably iris R2 but you can sim it

[bleak spoke]

So I burned like 400 pearls on gloves

[solid nova]

and at the point of any cleave, iris will win

[teal maple]

Single target?

[bleak spoke]

On the bittersweet side I didn’t even get poen’s

[solid nova]

Thats what the sims for

Single target

[wise whale]

trust the sim

[teal maple]

alright

[bleak spoke]

Is the apl updated to font of power prepull

Or is it still scuffed

[wise whale]

a lot of bosses also have some kind of adds that you could beam occasionaly

[pseudo hamlet]

!trinket

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[hybrid laurel]

yesterday i went to azshara's palace, and when i was checking my log to compare with others my "mainly" problem is uptime for garrote

i checked another log and he cast garrote without stealth...since when you can do that? lol

[solid nova]

For years

[hybrid laurel]

holy

[wise whale]

haha

[bleak spoke]

Oh no

[final dust]

Idk if u guys saw my question before I’m running lucid with font of power and mecha trinket it feels like I’m not running out of energy so I’m not able to use either lucid or mecha until like 1-1:30 into the fight should I be spamming envnoms so that I can use these ASAP or just go with the flow?

[bleak spoke]

I’m having similar annoyances

What I’ve been doing is using cyclotronic immediately after vendetta ends before my next tb

[hollow gyro]

my baby :]

[bleak spoke]

That is hot

Is haste really your highest weight?

[hollow gyro]

Everything is almost exactly the same for me

Haste was like... .04 higher. I have crit gems too atm

[bleak spoke]

I would default to mastery if my stats were even tbh

[hollow gyro]

probably a good idea

[bleak spoke]

Like obviously it’s not that big a deal but it seems to me that a large portion of the benefit from haste has a secondary requirement of uptime

But mastery less so

[sullen pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/7gPyIqw.png

[rigid mango]

[strange python]

force multi in off or mainhand? if i sim it it says me all the time i should change .... from off to main from main to off -.-

[solid nova]

It doesnt matter

[bleak spoke]

Lmao if you don’t hold vendetta for vanish @sullen pagoda

[sullen pagoda]

glad they added subtefuge too incase anyone would wonder

[bleak spoke]

That’s actually pretty funny though

[hollow gyro]

Now I just need to figure out how to optimize this thing

[wise whale]

does the sim rota get evaluated by some deep learning fake AI by trial and error or is it set by a shadow cabinet of expert rogues?

[bleak spoke]

Just pop the buff for vendetta

[desert vault]

so basically trash any benthic gear unless it has a socket pretty much?

[bleak spoke]

It’s not a shadow cabinet

Everything is posted in the tc research channel

[hollow junco]

it's human beings using logic and experience to create a bunch of sim scenarios, then seeing which one comes out on top

[devout gazelle]

so guys the best pot for opening at single target is the crit one?

[solid nova]

Unbridled Fury

[rigid mango]

No

^

[bleak spoke]

Unbridled fury

[sullen pagoda]

btw first FH i did today https://i.imgur.com/Bdmn8P8.png

[bleak spoke]

Man heck

That is a sicknasty dice

[sullen pagoda]

yea

[wary ice]

no socket

😬

[upbeat geode]

no socket, useless

[sullen pagoda]

last season i needed 30 FHs to get base one and now i get this from 1st

[bleak spoke]

I got a 435 spyglass from my first siege but it’s not as good as cyclotronic

[devout gazelle]

Really? 😮 Before some days i seeing the crit one it was the best for single

[bleak spoke]

FeelsBadMan

What do you even target slotwise now from m+

[sullen pagoda]

my 445 dice sims only 100 dps more than cyclo blast

[bleak spoke]

Probably just rings and legs

[sullen pagoda]

but i dont have to worry about it

so big pog

[bleak spoke]

Yeh passive trinkets are big pleasant

Hmm as expected it’s the best passive trinket that isn’t inkpod

Maybe I hardfarm freehold after all

[sullen pagoda]

i just want azshara trinket now so i cna replace lurker garbage

[robust trench]

any could help with what im doing wrong. i know its must be related to maybe over capping or reapplying my bleed to early or i let it expired but i sim 27k dps and perform about 13k to 19k dps from boss to boss https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8v3s2ekJHy4g2PkwMAvCL3

[bleak spoke]

Yeah I got a normal azshara trinket from a demon hunter I passed off inkpod to

Felt like quid pro quo almost

[sullen pagoda]

our tank got from normal and he couldnt trade me

[solid nova]

@robust trench I struggle to believe life force r1 sims highest for you

[sullen pagoda]

from heroic 5 people got it but ofc not me 😄

[bleak spoke]

Man I got a 430 socketed zaqul trinket from hc last week I don’t want to hear it

[pastel tiger]

Could I get tips on the lightning orbs on the Azshara fight? I am moving out of blue puddles, but when the orbs spawn it feels like I don't have time to move and I am being hit by multiple and killed instantly in seconds. Where is the best place to be for these?

[robust trench]

r1 sims ?

[solid nova]

Your sim is using Rank 1 condensed life force

[plucky plover]

What is the proper way to use the Coral trinket from lady ashvane to maximize it's output?

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/nOjbDfi.png one of these raid trinkets is not like the others

[hollow junco]

there is definitely time to react to blue circles, but you can also see the lightning orbs themselves (projectiles) bouncing around. i feel like it's easier to avoid the ground effect than to try to track and predict the projectile but whatever works for you ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[robust trench]

yes i changed it yesterday to see what it does i was using r2 lucid dream

[pastel tiger]

@hollow junco yes the blue circles are fine. It is the ball- it feels like it hits mme before I see it.

[stiff grotto]

best site to check for trinkets dps?

[sullen pagoda]

thats yikes

@bleak spoke and then they force u to trade away azshara one cuz "u got a 430 trinket already with socket"

[bleak spoke]

lmao they tried

but i legit linked sims and shit

and was like i can use my galecallers from last tier i guess

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/enAvZVKmFPuXZc94BdxxT9 with no benthic pieces equipped

[desert vault]

So just keep rolling for benthic stuff with socket and scrap the stuff that isn't? I have 415-420s all with socket from last tier, only been back playing acouple days

[hollow junco]

yes, roll for the correct benthic boots with a socket. then the bracers. belt 3rd.

[desert vault]

k, I figured boots were best

[strange python]

@bleak spoke STOP ! STOP ! STOP! CRYING !!! look your gear.. wtf

[sullen pagoda]

ur weapons

[bleak spoke]

lmao if you think my gear is good compared to some rogues out there in actual prog guilds

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/irtmN3W2Xo93Ve6fpz4jdM

[bleak spoke]

kinbote has 450 and 445 daggers

[sullen pagoda]

base 415 weapons btw

[bleak spoke]

my brain actually hurts

that man is a wizard

[dawn root]

that is called luck

[bleak spoke]

luck and the midwinter funnel

[strange python]

yea absolutly trash .. i would delete this rouge its nothing worth

[desert vault]

so that 3 socket trinket is pretty strong? Just have to get the good sockets for it? I have a normal Coral and just GCB/Dice/Spyglass from last tier still

[upbeat geode]

does anyone know how to add benthic boots with socket(that i dont own) into raidbots sim?

[strange python]

dont compare with method player o_O 440 and 430 dagger after 1 week .. i run with 415 and 410 o_O ... because im unlucky as fuck.. used 7 rolles dont get any item ! so i cant understand how people get so lucky and crying

[bleak spoke]

gear compare

also to be fair i played many keys last night

[upbeat geode]

thanks

[steady grotto]

Are the benthic boots better than Sims show?

Mine barely changed my doe

Dps

[ancient onyx]

yo do i just macro Mag'har orc racial with vendetta?

[open compass]

Should you just use Memory of Lucid dreams on cooldown? Where do you use it in your rotation?

[solid nova]

[robust trench]

ok so i ran the sims with my rank 2 lucid and yes its better but its also worst as now the gap is even bigger then what i perform https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/czaiXQ5aH2F9F15Tm5GJuo

[solid nova]

Well your sim is one thing

Linking your logs is another

Cant explain how you misplayed with out them

[high crypt]

what pot are u guys using in raids ST?

[frank sentinel]

unbridled

[mossy ferry]

fury

[robust trench]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/uldaman/squeaklydi

[high crypt]

seemed a little lackluster, the other day

or is it owning for you guys?

[frank sentinel]

should always be around 3% of ur dam

[solid nova]

@robust trench

Not sure what you're doing

[open compass]

Thanks @solid nova

[solid nova]

I'd suggest reading the guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[solid nova]

-Opener is wrong
-Finish on 4+
-Vanish windows are wrong
-TB windows are utilising envenom

You're potting prolonged power

Overwriting ruptures

[frank sentinel]

that's just an economical power move

[solid nova]

Huge down times

[mossy ferry]

prolonged power in 2019

[dense blaze]

What is taking me out of stealth in BGs seconds after I stealth

[glacial garden]

World vein?

[dense blaze]

Right after vanish fades, bam, here I am

[hollow junco]

good question, i wish i knew

[frank sentinel]

what essences u running

[dense blaze]

blood and lucid

[hollow junco]

since 8.2 SO MANY THINGS break stealth

[robust trench]

how do i get that view ...

[solid nova]

Click your name

damage done

[frank sentinel]

are you using tidesage pants or any proc items?

[dense blaze]

Nimbus pants

[solid nova]

But basically, you should start with the guide

[frank sentinel]

that might be it

[solid nova]

As we're not even at basics at this stage mate

This is just a non-starter at the moment

[frank sentinel]

parry

[strange python]

@robust trench what are your stat weights?

farm neck 55 get dream on 3 and put all encharm and sockes with mastery

[solid nova]

?

Optimising gear is probably bottom of the priority list right now

Blindly telling someone to enchant XYZ isn't helpful

[strange python]

yea your right.. but i put with optimising 2k more dps on simming

[solid nova]

Could have a 50k sim but if basic dps rules arent being followed its meaningless

[strange python]

yea your right but why you should do 1 thing before the other? do both .. learn to play and optimised...

basicly i opti first and then i learn rotations if something change completle or i learn a new class

[copper hazel]

If he doesn't press the buttons in the right order, his optimisation will mean absolutely nothing

[solid nova]

Why should you focus on optimising basic game play before tweaking stats?

Like the optimising means nothing at this stage if you cant utilise it

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[solid nova]

^Start with this

[tropic ocean]

bettering out your enchants/gear wont help when you press 5mutilate after each other

[solid nova]

Exactly.

[tropic ocean]

like the biggest increase will be executing the rotation properly

should always try to improve from biggest to smallest increase

[strange python]

yea... okay your right.. i dont see the log wtf

[frank sentinel]

hehe

[hybrid laurel]

if you want to laugh https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/quelthalas/uroe

ive been forcing vanish to double cast garrote since a lot

[solid nova]

Why are you trying to kidney the first boss?

[strange python]

okay sorry.. i mean.. how is this possible?

XD

[dense blaze]

It's like those old pictures of pick lock opener

[tropic ocean]

why would we laugh about you @hybrid laurel

avg log from avg player in avg raid, its fine

try to improve your garrote uptime, you drop it a lot

[solid nova]

Another one guilty of the triple mutilates

[hybrid laurel]

didnt know from years that you can cast garrote withouth stealth lol

[solid nova]

[tacit plinth]

my friend its time to move on

perhaps an arcane mage

or a BM hunter

[solid nova]

@hybrid laurel Just remember to finish on 4+

And your garrote timings

Your opener is off too

[dense blaze]

Do you not ever like stand around a dummy and just press your buttons

And see what happens?

[solid nova]

Id work on that vanish window as well mate

And please, dont try and kidney the boss, it wont work 😄

[cinder relic]

how is assassination performing in mythic+?

[hybrid laurel]

i did it because i thought i could garrote

in the last sec

[bronze kelp]

@cinder relic pretty well

[hybrid laurel]

and kidney is in that key without stealth lol

[cinder relic]

espesially this week right?

[bronze kelp]

assa is good on every week

you can top the leaderboards with assa or outlaw pretty good, dont know about sub

[hybrid laurel]

@solid nova Thanks for the tips, ill definitely work on my garrote uptime

[tropic ocean]

aren't you listed vs sub as sub only so

its pretty "easy" to get good logs ? 😄

[tacit plinth]

[winter moss]

INB4 everyone plays sub for good logs

[robust trench]

thanks for the help so far the timeline stuff is great to see my multiple issues.

one this i dont get from the openner guide
One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote

should it not be garrote twice

[mossy ferry]

You get an extra GCD of empowered Garrote doing it that way

[robust trench]

as i only have 1 shrouded so it generate 3 combo point

[molten mirage]

did blizz hotfix font of power trinket so it pops your stealth on pre pull now?

[frank sentinel]

a 2nd garrote extends the duration to it's max

[mossy ferry]

@molten mirage It has always broken my stealth

[molten mirage]

it wasnt breaking mine last night in raid

[robust trench]

so i rupture with 3 combo and not 4 or 5

[molten mirage]

but its breaking it on target dummy rn

[mossy ferry]

Yeah. I just use it at 6 on pre pull, then stealth pot

[molten mirage]

ahh ok ill have to start doing tha tnow then

maybe its cuz i swapped from subterfuge to master ass

but idk how that would effect the trinket use and my stealth

[desert vault]

is it really 17k residuum for a +10 now?

[cold patio]

y

[mossy ferry]

@molten mirage It'll def make you more paranoid on pull, lol

[molten mirage]

lol yeah im standing way far back now

what sucks is both me and the other rogue in our raid have these new pre pull use trinkets so no one can shroud raid for pull

RIP

[hoary apex]

Is vision of perfection worth it if my raid setup is 3xDD 3xNP?

[tacit plinth]

a malazaan friend

[molten mirage]

just tested it and if your talented into subterfuge than it doesnt pop your stealth @mossy ferry RIP

[mossy ferry]

what the fuck

[molten mirage]

yeah

[mossy ferry]

🍝

[molten mirage]

some bs

[cold fossil]

so THATS why sub is a dps increase with no SS

[molten mirage]

umm i dont thbink so

its legit only helpful for pre pull with those two trinkets

[mossy ferry]

Does Nightstalker break it?

[molten mirage]

hmm

i sim higher with sub tho

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5UmWW1rNHNMi2n88CzV2kZ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nHNXKQez8qhdrZMwrGwBpZ

[cold fossil]

gotta switch

[molten mirage]

iv been running it in raid tho and getting worked by the other rogue and hes running master ass

[real bay]

not surprising with the trinket

didn't get it

[subtle mortar]

can anyone look at my logs for my rogue an help me figure out what im doing wrong an how to improve

[real bay]

how do you sim 33k with 423

[sullen pagoda]

hes using double on use trinkets 🤔

[mossy ferry]

2 sockets?

[faint harness]

double on use aint great if it aint something like pocket card

[subtle mortar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qHARh7yBYkQWdz3v#

[hybrid laurel]

im simming 33k with 419

[glacial garden]

What’s the best time to use the cyclo blast trinket?

[cold fossil]

20 secs into the fight

when you have to move for mechanics

[hollow junco]

after vendetta, before next TB

[sullen pagoda]

more like 40sec into fight

or was apl changed 🤔

[mossy ferry]

@subtle mortar You spec Subterfuge, and opened with Azerite Beam?

[subtle mortar]

i did for that fight to see how it worked was first time trying it that way

[mossy ferry]

but then you literally can't open with your talent that you specced in to

you need to hit up the guide

your sub windows only ever have 1 garrote, you overwrite that one a lot, odd vendetta usage, missing vanishes

you also triple mutilate quite a bit

[lusty narwhal]

100 bracers no ori socket

If this doesnt proc soon im ending it all

[frank sentinel]

don't do that life is great

just end ur subscription

[robust trench]

thanks for all the help so far one last question about the open rotation
One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade

Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
does this mean i rupture with 3 combo point since its 1 from garrote and 2 from ss ?

[cold fossil]

yes

its so you have 2 ticking dots for your vendetta toxic blade combo

and then probably reup rupter near end of vendetta

[bleak spoke]

man what just treat the channel trinket like prepull AR

don't start out stealthed and the moment it's done you can stealth insta

what's the issue here :}

[strange python]

we have a raidbots bot in our guild disord.. and we can simming in there..^^ so i was wrong with writing in this channle .P

[fallow estuary]

someone else lost quite some sim dps since 2 days ago?

[hollow junco]

easy there was a problem with azshara trinket sims

if you have a font, you were probably affected

this is described in the #tc-research channel

[solid nova]

@fallow estuary Yeah there was some apl changes, i lost like 400 odd

[fallow estuary]

i don't have a font tho

:|

[warm ruin]

Just got a 415 font + socket from TW cache hahaha

[wide python]

so i got razor coral last night. any base suggestions on what you guys are noticing to be the best usage of it?

[warm ruin]

It's in the pins

Macro to vendetta

[wide python]

kk

so just vendetta crit stack it. seems good

[warm ruin]

Pretty much

[royal torrent]

what about during opening?

[wide python]

^ that was what i was about to ask, on the first vendetta

[warm ruin]

Just says stack with vendetta 🤷

[dark shoal]

Hey, it's been few items that my sims put my hast as low priority stat (last now), does that mean a soft cap is possible?

[solid nova]

Nope

[dark shoal]

The difference isn't big tho 3.36 hast for the lowest 3.51 mastery for the highest. Should I stick with crit/hast priorities?

[tulip tide]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[inner citrus]

how do we use razor coral?

[solid nova]

[inner citrus]

oh its in the pins. sorry and thank you

so i take it that we use it on the 2nd vendetta onwards?

[pale knot]

what do you guys think about teh corarl trinekt btw ?

feels like lurkers is so much better

[steep lagoon]

On raidbots, is the "Bleeding"-option from like spells and gear bonus like trinkets etc? Or only one of them?

[prisma oyster]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tropic ocean]

@pale knot doesnt matter what feels better

Sim will tell you what performs better

[peak niche]

Hey all, just got razer coral last night (445 with a socket!) Haven't had a chance to try it, but do you know if DoT damage procs the trinket, or just ability casts?

[dense axle]

it says on the trinket "abilities"

[strange python]

luv2titanforge

[iron heath]

guys how do i use memory in my roation with sub?

[rigid mango]

How do you use what?

[tropic ocean]

You use it when you starve energy

[iron heath]

is memory the essence to use or?

[dense axle]

sim yo self

we need some regex that checks if there's an " or " in a sentence, and then a ? and it just auto responds "sim yourself"

[iron heath]

oh ok ididnt knoe essence works in sim

[dense axle]

go with the Top Gear sim

you can mix and match

[open silo]

hey guys , i simed myself and i got a result with 2 usetrinkets, still go for it ? ashwind trinket + channel trinket from mechagon .... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dNC77jWRf2vU9KUj4tt9bd

[dense axle]

@open silo welcome to the meta

[frank jacinth]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[open silo]

the meta ? 😄

[dense axle]

yeah, there's lots of on-use trinkets this patch, so the best sims end up with 2 on use

I think Coral and Font are used just before vendetta

[lofty river]

Is there a way to sim higher rank essenses than what you have acquired ?

[dense axle]

and stuff like mecha you use during down time

[open silo]

okay, i was just a bit confused u know 😛

[dense axle]

@lofty river I just click the button "convert to simc input" and then edit the essence ids, which youc an get on wowhead

but they basically go from 2-29

then the number after the ID is the rank so it'll be like 15:2 or 2:3

I think Bote is 22

[lofty river]

ah nice! That last bit was what i needed. Thanks a lot mate.

[dense axle]

<3

[open silo]

thanks btw 😛

[dense axle]

@lofty river if you dont think you can grind out 50k honor in 3 weeks, dont bother. The life-force will end up better and will take ~2-3 weeks clearing heroic to get rank 3

[rigid mango]

Yeah but life force has nerfs heading its way 100%

I don't think it survives past the reset of people getting it

[dense axle]

I dunno man, we havent even seen it at rank 3

I bet they wont nerf it

iris was far and away the best, and even was good on ST. Thats why it got a nerf

[lofty river]

benthic should be first on the nerf list surely

[dense axle]

^

[lofty river]

regardless of the 100s of hours ive spent farming them

was content at least

[dense axle]

typical bliz "our players spent hundreds of pearls re-rolling these, we're going to make them useless with one fel swoop"

[rigid mango]

The fact that it's BiS for a majority of classes

makes me think it'll get nerfed fast.

[dense axle]

hmm, you have a poitn there. But on the other hand, they DO want shit to get silly long term, theyre slow rolling the big rank 3 essences while overtuning the bosses

think when the other minor slot opens up for most people. Big dps gains. I bet this is by design because they put it on the third rank instead of the first or second

[uneven summit]

Anyone else experiencing crit simming higher than haste all the time?

[wheat bobcat]

I got a Kul tiran Cannonball runner on the weekly cache

end me

[dense axle]

@uneven summit nope, but mine are really close in value

RIP @wheat bobcat

I got some gloves =/

[kindred cedar]

Im looking at logs and i see people doing opener with mutilate as first cast?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[dense axle]

sitting here with a 385 ring and it gives me gloves

[wraith heart]

What’s the best time to use the coral off the fourth boss

[rigid mango]

minimal gain doing it that way

With vendetta

there

[mossy ferry]

mut r mut or mut mut r dep on CP

[dense axle]

wait, mut r mut? I thought it would turn into mut r gar if you crit

[kindred cedar]

So u want to open with mut?

[dense axle]

with MA you do

[hidden plinth]

whats your opinion about the shoulder from radiance with enough member of the raid we maybe can go for this instead of bbi

[mossy ferry]

It's just an MA window slight optimization

[kindred cedar]

can u write opener then?

as ravenholdt isnt accure

accurate*

[dense axle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwdYQFJKV9zvaFUN2Yssez

look down at the bottom

Show Sample Ability Log

it'll show an example

[wheat bobcat]

you can easily check an opener on wowlogs

[mossy ferry]

just sim yourself and look at the sample

[kindred cedar]

So mut -> rupture -> garrote

cool thanks

[dense axle]

keep in mind that's just a sample and it may change

[cold rampart]

is there a page for rotation?

or its still ravenholdt

[dense axle]

well jkke, thats with Subterfuge

so yeah, it's different

[kindred cedar]

oh my bad

2 sec

[dense axle]

@cold rampart wowhead's guide is the best one out there now

[strange python]

Whyy this stupid sim told me to use subterfuge when i can see all rogue using master assassin

gosh

[kindred cedar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x8Y1c2SSQCRFePc7t9mDtW

[cold rampart]

ty @dense axle