assassination

[dire spoke]

@lost horizon revive spoons

[wheat bobcat]

Is the cyclotronic blast nerf that significant or will it still be good?

[honest needle]

next week can we still grind +6 for 415 gear or does it change ?

[lost horizon]

good times, but also #off-topic times, don't get banned

@honest needle it changes, gear cap should be at 10 again

[vapid scarab]

sure you can grind +6 for 415

[lost horizon]

@wheat bobcat can you link nerf? or do you mean from way back

[honest needle]

damn it so i wasted all this week

how high will a +10 give next week ?

[vapid scarab]

430

[honest needle]

just for grinding 10s

[lost horizon]

i mean if you get upgrades that's still a thing, but you'll be able to get heroic ilvl loot from 10s next week

[arctic walrus]

You should never be able to survive Azshara aoe due to rune stacks

[wheat bobcat]

I heard it would be nerfed next reset by a friend, maybe I got bamboozled

[honest needle]

wait so grinding 10s next week will give 430 gear constantly ?

[lost horizon]

haven't seen any blue posts to confirm 🤷

yes @honest needle that's how it goes

[fallow otter]

@vapid scarab 00:03:21.397 Queen Azshara Arcane Detonation Stunkei 116900 (R: 204065, M: 87165, 42.71%)

[vapid scarab]

so if you have 290k ish then you live with 30k

with 5 stacks

resounding means you live at 50k

[fallow otter]

i actually had 120k hp at the time, i was waiting for vial to tick but it didnt, so i only just lived

had 4k hp

[flat obsidian]

Theres an iris nerf but didnt anything on mecha trink

[honest needle]

how high of a key will we have to do for next week to just grind 415 gear ?

[fallow otter]

i have 270k hp now so 135k with 5stacks

+5 = 415 gear afaik

yep 415 gear is just grinding +5s

7=420

8=425

10=430

[cobalt pelican]

you really don't lose anything by just

moving out of line of sight

as long as you dump your energy first

[fallow otter]

yeh ofc, i only did for test

[cobalt pelican]

i see

[fallow otter]

mythic we wont live anyway, but useful for people who want to parse on heroic later, so w/e

someone had screwed up by this stage so the pull was scuffed

killed next pull and LoSed it

[limber lake]

Anyone have both lurkers gift and font of power here? I'm wondering what the opener looks like using those trinkets.

[fallow otter]

i can only tick one of those boxes sadly, RIP my luck

[cobalt pelican]

i'd imagine cyclotronic sims higher

or even a 415 base kimbul or something, then running lurker+font

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bQqy9BU4amsvjkubqNeqM

You can look at ability log

But yeah, probably anything else would be better

[limber lake]

415 spyglass it is. thanks guys.

[fallow otter]

is the current end goal for trinkets going to be double on use raid trinkets?

unless we get a fatty dice proc or something?

[vapid scarab]

highly doubt that

[arctic walrus]

Oh wait is new nightly in?

Font/haste fixed

?

[vapid scarab]

there's plenty of good trinkets that aren't on use

[honest needle]

should i grind conflict n strife for raid or m+

[vapid scarab]

for some reason nobody talks about inkpod even tho it does like 6% of your damage non crit

[drifting cloud]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[honest needle]

is it needed at all ?

[cobalt pelican]

think so

[honest needle]

do i need conflict n strife at all for rogues or are we not using it ?

[arctic walrus]

Good bye haste gems and 40k ):

[cobalt pelican]

having to gem haste would suck

crit needs to be my best stat

at least for next week

[vapid scarab]

my man you don't need to spam the exact same question 4 times in multiple different channels

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uwuXwzWjSXLBpvsmevGf9V

Oh god please no

[obtuse ruin]

Is that normal dps for that ilvl? 😶

Why is it so much high lmao

[arctic walrus]

10 sockets reporting for duty

[cobalt pelican]

same

until the jc budget attacked

and now i only have 9

and my little 425 rastakhan ring with no socket

[arctic walrus]

Oh wait rip my kimbuls

back to 9

[cobalt pelican]

that's s till a pretty thiqy number

and you get to play inkpod

and inkpod is funny

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cx96QGYauZMp5rsc8vgLqB

I don't...

huh

[fallow otter]

is the tank belt that OP omg...

i heard its BiS

but didnt think so much

[vapid scarab]

yeah because the aoe threat belt is the only thing he has in that sim

[arctic walrus]

Yes indeed

[cobalt pelican]

everything seems back to normal

and i'm back to 39k pleb gang

at least i don't have to use iris minor anymore

[fleet whale]

is focusing iris a decent minor to use?

[vapid scarab]

if it sims better then why would it not

[cobalt pelican]

yea it's aight

it's just one of those things that's like

don't you dare switch targets

or else

[vapid scarab]

i mean you build stacks back quickly

[arctic walrus]

It stays even if you're foking so it's aight

[cobalt pelican]

ye it's fine

[arctic walrus]

Damn this whole font thing made me not grind out blood 3 before mythic

now i'm screwed

[cobalt pelican]

you have time

just don't sleep

[fallow otter]

@vapid scarab hahaha yeh, well its the main difference from my sim - that and sub... interesting

[arctic walrus]

13.7k

[cobalt pelican]

kinda sad not a single 430 font dropped for us actually

[vapid scarab]

we got 2

tank and healer

[cobalt pelican]

does anyone know if the default profile potion only changes on the monday rebuild for simc or wat

why is it still on focused

[arctic walrus]

Wake me up when raidbots can sim 9 gems quicker

[cobalt pelican]

wake me up when i have enough iterations to sim more than 9 gems of 2 types

[arctic walrus]

Even with 11mil I can't sim everything

[cobalt pelican]

i've had a raidbots account that hasn't been paid for for like 3 months but still has 3.6m iterations and i'm scared to upgrade it incase i lose my free lifetime access

[mossy ferry]

We got 6 fonts lol

[cobalt pelican]

the fug

we got a big fat 0

including bonusrollers

[fallow otter]

we got 2 from bonus and 1 normal, i removed these people from friendslist

so anyone know if we are going to be aiming for coral and font? or one or the other and a passive trinket?

feels so shit atm having 2 on-use trinkets

hoping its not going to be the future

[marble elm]

@arctic walrus subterfuge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8EPdLzva2BUgB2axbDZ8Jr

[tribal marlin]

Subter have value with full crit gem/enchant

[marble elm]

i switched to nightly and it's not subterfuge anymore

didn't realize it was weekly

[tribal marlin]

I mean it was best for me with full crit gem then I test full crit subter + rainbow MA and rainbow ma was equal

[arctic walrus]

Nice 40k

[tribal marlin]

also I think versatility is increasing benthic damage

[arctic walrus]

I'm a fake 40k andy

[marble elm]

39.9k on nightly build

simming gems now tho

[tribal marlin]

it make versa win a bit of value when wearing full benthic set

[arctic walrus]

90% on my gem sim rn

[rigid mango]

39.9k andy

[arctic walrus]

will link in 30 hours

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aDCE7nUMwsKRNSkuW322oy

[tribal marlin]

try haste versa

or haste versa crit if you have premium

well I have coral so it devalue crit by a bit

[arctic walrus]

This is every gem

[tribal marlin]

I mean remove mastery from the picture 😄

[cobalt pelican]

nothing even comes remotely close to crit for me which is

:goodshit:

[arctic walrus]

Maybe tomorrow I can get a coral

[cobalt pelican]

on the upside

[tribal marlin]

any idea what happens to nightly btw ?

[cobalt pelican]

my lurkers is showing much closer to my shitty 415 base unsocketed font

[tribal marlin]

lost quite a bit of simsdps

[arctic walrus]

have to actually get blood now

[cobalt pelican]

just got rebuilt

with the fixes from kojis stuff in #tc-research

no idea if there's knock on bugs but a looot of people were oversimming massively because of some spikey haste weight

[marble elm]

@arctic walrus you didnt sim w/ force?

[cobalt pelican]

nah he only uses normie enchants

force too expensive

[arctic walrus]

vers/deadly was better

[marble elm]

oh really

[arctic walrus]

ye

[tribal marlin]

mmh what did he change in the rebuilt ?

[cobalt pelican]

fixed some bug with auto swing timers doing something wonky after trinkets (font mainly)

idk the specifics

i'm too peabrain

i read what he said and said mhm makes sense great work koji and left it at that

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/839b2430f1c18aa2f4e7dfa9a041e34b359b9ee4 was the actual change

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rjMw1WWYB2Lyy3EHpj7wjF

Rip force

[cobalt pelican]

i guess i should start simming without force..

i always just left it there

cause iterations

as like a

'that's cool you stay there'

or i guess i should say with more than force

[arctic walrus]

Seems pretty marginal but i guess we gotta consider it now

[tribal marlin]

wierd that I lost 90simdps without font Oo

[vapid scarab]

can't even sim enchants and gems without capping iterations at 12mil

[tribal marlin]

so font was overtuned ?

[cobalt pelican]

it wasn't overtuned it was like

[marble elm]

it increased haste weight which increased your dps

as i understand it

[cobalt pelican]

if you hit a certain haste amount you would spike really hard in dps

and your haste weight would then go to like

negatives

because if you left that range

you would lose like 2k dps

[tribal marlin]

and this resulted in font simmed to high ?

[cobalt pelican]

for some people yes

for some people no

depends what your haste was

basically

[tribal marlin]

mmmh ok

still don't understand why it affected my sim without font equiped

[cobalt pelican]

if you had like 1520 haste instead of 1480 for example you'd just randomly be higher than you should be

not sure, it's possible the basic change has added some slowdown to starting up auto swing timers after regular trinket usage if it isn't solely applied to font

but 90 is negligible to be honest

could be any number of things

[tribal marlin]

that's true

[obtuse ruin]

Is there an actual number for the amount of haste needed for that spike in dps?

[arctic walrus]

It's gone

But it was like 1560

[marble elm]

i simmed w/ negative weight with 1450 haste if you curious but yeah it's fixed

also sub 40k andy https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sYNH1U7PTyiPLZGMF28pzH

[arctic walrus]

We're fwiends now

[marble elm]

rainbow gems

[obtuse ruin]

Yeah I guess different for everyone

[arctic walrus]

Christmas tree

[cobalt pelican]

just sneakikly

lower the target error %

and keep resimming

till it goes above 40k

then save that url

[nimble tartan]

haha just get 50 dps bro

[arctic walrus]

I'm just gonna take off my benthic so people don't take me seriously

[cobalt pelican]

just raid in n ogear except benthic for BIG 100% ilvl parse always so you can pretend it's just gear holding you back

[obtuse ruin]

Anyone else just pump their big dps on a boss and immediately take off bis gear after boss dead so other people think we do more damage than supposed to? 🙃🙃

[nimble tartan]

i sim 40k

[rigid mango]

No?

[nimble tartan]

no benthic

u dont know my sims she goes to another school

[hazy iron]

Why would I care what other people think if I’m killing stuff and I know I’m gearing correctly?

[arctic walrus]

Wait guys

I just rolled Ori's with socket

from WQ

lmao

[tribal marlin]

gratz xD

[arctic walrus]

415 puffer already though hmm

[tribal marlin]

Puffer is good but if you miss 1 or 2 fish in the fight

it loose a lot of value comparing to ori's

[cobalt pelican]

415 isn't a massive pearl sink

[marble elm]

alll im sayin is

im glad gems are like 10 gold

[arctic walrus]

I've gone through too many to count this last week

[marble elm]

i just bought a couple stacks of each

[arctic walrus]

Save my pearls to try and roll Poen's? or upgrade ori's to 415

[marble elm]

glove

bigger uppie

[cobalt pelican]

gems are like

300 a pop on my server

[arctic walrus]

6 choices + need for socket

[cobalt pelican]

but don't sell

[marble elm]

they should be different pearl pools anyway

main pearls for upgrading

alt pearls for buying gear

[cobalt pelican]

so a guildie just put like 300 of every gem in the gbank from prospecting for ring rolls

[nimble tartan]

bro vel

dont ever say pufferfish ever again

upgrade the other ones

[arctic walrus]

p

u

f

f

e

r

f

is

[cobalt pelican]

puffy

vulva

[nimble tartan]

wtf..

[arctic walrus]

h

[marble elm]

[nimble tartan]

can he say that

[nimble tartan]

ic ant wait to go to sleep tonight and wake up tomorrow to the birds chirping, a beautiful melody playing, i walk up to my pc and go to wowhead.com and see the post about benthic nerf

[marble elm]

[cobalt pelican]

you mean you can't wait to raid tomorrow with your benthic gear on slave

[marble elm]

omr sims 40k without benthic gear

[nimble tartan]

😩

[marble elm]

he showed me

[arctic walrus]

This man really hit his head hard

[cobalt pelican]

it's the vers gems

really SPIKE the dps

[nimble tartan]

yall aint see the vers breakpoint

[marble elm]

when benthic gear gets nerfed everyone is going to come crawling to him to find out how he sims 40k

theorycrafters hate him

[shy dust]

Im wondering if Sin is gonna get nerfed

[marble elm]

no

[nimble tartan]

night u wont grind out m+ right now to get +50 dps

[marble elm]

for what

[nimble tartan]

for 40k bro..

u lookin SMALL

[marble elm]

need trinket with socket

[arctic walrus]

I'd buy 2k enchant for +12 dps

[tribal marlin]

you'll probably won 50simdps pre casting font

[marble elm]

8 holes not enough

[tribal marlin]

anyway xD

[marble elm]

yeah definitely

font sim is sandbagged

permanently

because simc

[nimble tartan]

if its not in the sims it doesnt count

put on 120 agi gem and 80 bro...

[tribal marlin]

I did lost 50 simdps with the last rebuilt

and I can't figure why

50simdps is 50simdps, nobdy like to loose simdps :/

What make me sad is that I snatched a 415 font yesterday for nothing

was a minor upgrade for me, but with the fix it's like a major loss xD

[bleak spoke]

Man why is cyclotronic so good

This is stupid

[tribal marlin]

it's 12% of our feral overall damage

xD

[bleak spoke]

Are ppl using it on pull or during or after vendetta

[tribal marlin]

for rogue you use it after vendetta

Feral use it with blood

[cobalt pelican]

perfect

[bleak spoke]

Yeah figured, was messing about with it today and it seemed the least annoying after vendetta

[tribal marlin]

i'm using it while moving to manage boss ability

because it's fun animation xD

[cobalt pelican]

yeee

i was using it when pillar humping on azshara

[tribal marlin]

I feel like a ranged dps for a few sec

[cobalt pelican]

but it probably wasn't good

[bleak spoke]

With azshara I think if you’re holding v and cyclo for the adds you probably have a lot of leeway

[tribal marlin]

well if you make sure you don't loose casts on it you can pretty much use it whenever you want outside of vendetta/tb

oh yeee I did use it on the add on azshara too xD

was lazy to move to the add so I just used it on the add

[arctic walrus]

It just felt so bad to play on azshara

holding cds for decree

[final dust]

What u mean holding

[bleak spoke]

Man what

You need to kill the adds

[tribal marlin]

On hc Azshara at least I use vendetta on pull, start of p2 and on the add in p3

[arctic walrus]

Our timings had vendetta coming as decree went out in p2

[final dust]

Yea and u use on adds

[bleak spoke]

You probably have the best cds for the adds as assa

[final dust]

Yup

Like it felt goood

[tribal marlin]

yes it's the best move using it on the add

[final dust]

It was like burn and u had everything

[bleak spoke]

Especially since you can set up dots on the boss and myrmidon for infinite e

[final dust]

Yup

And with iris

U can hit all 3

[bleak spoke]

Is iris even the play

[final dust]

Yea it is

[bleak spoke]

It seems a lil paddy to me

[final dust]

I did one night with and without def the play

[bleak spoke]

Ite I will tomorrow then

[final dust]

I can link the log of our kill tonight if u want

[bleak spoke]

I guess most of the value from lucid comes from minor anyway

[final dust]

U use iris on pull then on small adds

[tribal marlin]

what we did was nuking 1st add, then moving boss to 2nd add, funnel boss, droping add to blow 30%, kill Mirmidon, funnel boss to 41%, kill last add, kill last mirmidon, BL nuke boss

worked pretty well

[final dust]

Then on the venomancer adds

[bleak spoke]

I was popping lucid prepull to set up on the adds for energy reasons

[final dust]

Def don’t do that

[cobalt pelican]

iris is scuff

[marble elm]

iris is straight pad on aszhara

[bleak spoke]

Yeah it didn’t seem like much of a gain except in feelys

[arctic walrus]

Tbh after 3 kills on heroic I still feel like crap

[final dust]

Not pads at all when adds need to die

[marble elm]

they will die just fine without you running iris

unless your raid is afk

[final dust]

No our whole raid runs iris and three get melted

[marble elm]

u should just ignore them

tbh

[cobalt pelican]

your whole raid runs iris

nice

[final dust]

Okay so ur just trolling I guess

[marble elm]

?

[drifting cloud]

whole raid LMAO we had like 5 and it felt too many

[marble elm]

ur talking about the small adds that all walk into the middle?

like the 10 adds or w/e?

[bleak spoke]

Idk that was my original thought that it seemed paddy

[thick ibex]

You dont want the thing to get melted, otherwise you have to wait for the second myri spawn and thats big bad

[cobalt pelican]

that's the strat most ppl do

but rogues give up like

[final dust]

Yea they all die on 1 sec and more spa on boss

[cobalt pelican]

a decent chunk of st for it

when other classes dont

so even if you're going for iris

[marble elm]

yeah you should just not even hit those

[cobalt pelican]

as a grp

like

[marble elm]

if you have to hit those

[tribal marlin]

woooow this mean I have a sweet spot for M Azshara

[cobalt pelican]

not rogue

[marble elm]

your raid is afk

[tribal marlin]

just for me nuking the add ❤

[final dust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LPZHFwh6RDnW9dxT/

[cobalt pelican]

yes dedicated iris holder

[marble elm]

yeah that's massive pad

[bleak spoke]

You need to link comparative boss damage at this point fenwig

[untold current]

Is the MA opener with BOTE 3 still Multi – Rupture – Multi – Garrote – Vendetta – TB – BoTE - Vanish?

[final dust]

I just linked it

[cobalt pelican]

you just linked a general log which shows you at 6% boss damage

[bleak spoke]

Of lucid vs iris

[tribal marlin]

You can run the normal opener @untold current it doesn't really change anything

[cobalt pelican]

which is very low for an assasination rogue in this fight

for reference on our kill i did 8.8% having died and the other rogue did 10.84% boss damage

and you gained

[marble elm]

you do you if you wanna run iris on that to kill the adds you can but you aren't gonna convince anyone that you aren't padding

[cobalt pelican]

ad damage on ads that don't do anything

[bleak spoke]

Yeah I’m like over 10% most pulls idk

[cobalt pelican]

which can be handled either by classes that naturally take iris, or classes that don't MIND iris

or just

letting spriests kill them

[untold current]

@tribal marlin So it was reverted? Couple of days ago ppl in here were saying you open with mutilate now

[tribal marlin]

it's not reverted

[cobalt pelican]

it's a minor gain to mut (mut) rupture garrote continue it's just not significant and pretty bleh

[tribal marlin]

tbh our ST damage are actually so insane

[final dust]

I mean a gain is a gain

[tribal marlin]

that it's not even worth it trying to pad with azerite/essence/talent

[cobalt pelican]

that's not how numbers work

[final dust]

Didn’t lose too much on boss dog and was able to help adds

[cobalt pelican]

you gained irrelevant damage and lost relevant damage

[tribal marlin]

you can just funnel ST dmg, sniping some rupture on adds and do same damage

[final dust]

I don’t agree but okay

Faster adds die faster people can get back to boss

More spa overall not just me

[cobalt pelican]

the ads die instantly with like

4 irises

on classes that already play iris

[drifting cloud]

dude if 4 people ahve iris adds already insta die

[cobalt pelican]

you do not already play iris

[marble elm]

the adds die really fast with no iris

[drifting cloud]

and dhs lose like 200 dps with it

[thick ibex]

Night you running blood major lucid minor ya?

[marble elm]

yeah

[thick ibex]

My man

That combo pipes

[marble elm]

ya catch me not using worldvein

[thick ibex]

Ya fuck the world veiners

I need my vers

[marble elm]

i would be surprised if that isnt nerfed

lucid r3 vers

its like 70% uptime 5% damge buff

[arctic walrus]

Remember the good old days when worldvein was 1.3k less than focusing iris guys

[tribal marlin]

Worldvein is oversiming a lot tbh

[thick ibex]

I wish I had a chance to get CoS pants

[tribal marlin]

I mean, it sim correctly but patchwerk make it overtune

[drifting cloud]

cos pants aren that insane

[thick ibex]

Oh yes they are

[marble elm]

they're pretty good

[arctic walrus]

Can I borrow someone's rogue for mythic prog if you have rank 3 blood thx

[untold current]

Is the correct MA with bote opener < gar, mut, rup, vend, vanish, tb, mut, env,bote>?

[drifting cloud]

they are, but at 420 I replaced them with 430 socket

which just gets replaced this week with lw pants

[tribal marlin]

Basically when using Major Lucid, you have to NOT be hit by any mechanics during your vendetta AND your following Lucid use.

[marble elm]

lw

[tribal marlin]

In a case you are actually dealing with any mechanics during vendetta/lucid you loose a bunch of dps. With Blood as long as you don't deal with any mechanics during Blood debuff, you are just fine

[arctic walrus]

@marble elm how's the weather down there

[tribal marlin]

That's why I won't play Lucid/WV during m prog 😄

[marble elm]

is that wowprog simdps

[drifting cloud]

probably

[arctic walrus]

ecksdee

[marble elm]

lol

[lusty narwhal]

It is

[marble elm]

u got me beat on wowprog

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7A77XKQ3Msd2qetVo43ZiW

[cobalt pelican]

imagine being american in 2020

sm h

[marble elm]

38k andy

im tryna play alliance

[arctic walrus]

No I'm trash you'll take my spot

[marble elm]

i cant raid in club camel i have a day job

[nimble tartan]

got em

[arctic walrus]

[nimble tartan]

all i remember is chillin with nightr on kel'thuzad

the boys

[marble elm]

kel'thuzad

hitter

[nimble tartan]

peepeehands

[arctic walrus]

Am I a regular member of this community now

[marble elm]

sure fuck it

[arctic walrus]

Like me

[nimble tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-regina-george-karen-gretchen-amanda-seyfried-gif-3559623

[marble elm]

if i wake up tomorrow and see mmochampion benthic no longer works in raid

im gonna LOSE IT

[nimble tartan]

wake up tomorrow, they remove a whole ass secondary from the items

[marble elm]

[arctic walrus]

Wake up tomorrow, they give omr free gear cuz he didn't listen to the haters

[nimble tartan]

naw bro im blacklisted i got 415 daggers still

[drifting cloud]

yo NA friends, when do your servers come up

8:15 ?

[arctic walrus]

If black listing gets you 415 daggers

[marble elm]

id probably still wear a lot of it tbh

[arctic walrus]

What do I have to be to have 405s

[marble elm]

free holes

[cobalt pelican]

o yea mythic opens tomorrow for AMERICA huh

guess i should sleep and see what's going on

[marble elm]

i dont think i could handle another simdps loss like this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eca26P4NXrAKfXSPTP6LPv

[cobalt pelican]

2.2k straight to the heart

did all your benthic slot pieces just suk

or did you vendor the rest of them

wtf

[marble elm]

no holes

need fuck gear hole

id still wear all but boots if they just disabled the effect and only lose like 1.5k

[shy dust]

reset is 11 am on East coast NA

[bronze kelp]

Why does the assa guide say, that visions is one of our top 3 major essences ?

[marble elm]

could be written before it was changed to 3 second nothing personal

its pretty bad

[bronze kelp]

ok its does not say top 3, but its one of the 3 in the guide, what would mean "recommended" for me

[hazy iron]

Just sim different essences

[marble elm]

yea i would just sim the ones you have or sim all of them but its very unlikely that you'll find vision to be good

[harsh goblet]

Anyone know if crip poison or mage slows impact the CC immunity for the hulk on zashara?

azshara*

[bronze kelp]

thats not the point, i know what i need, but i guess this is confusing new assa players if there is stuff in the guide thats actually not that good

[spice cloak]

not sure it really gets updated to be of use atm

[meager nebula]

If you look at the date the guide was updated, you will see why it is not up-to date with the latest sim results

[marble elm]

Generally simming is going to be better than a guide anyway

[meager nebula]

Precisely

[tropic ocean]

@harsh goblet they dont

[peak surge]

Sin done a sim of "BiS" gear and traits without TFing yet?

[meager nebula]

BiS gear is pointless because sockets and TF exist

[harsh gate]

What are people’s opinion on the benthic hands ? Not sure if I should upgrade it, got 415 aszara atm🤔

Sims good but idk if they are good in real life

[meager nebula]

They sim well because it assumes every proc will be damage based

In reality they aren't that good

[tropic ocean]

if you got nothing to spend pearls on

y not

[meager nebula]

Better off going for the other pieces first if you don't have them

[harsh gate]

I have everything else

[vapid scarab]

socketed?

[harsh gate]

Just don’t know if it’s worth it to upgrade since they sim more in theory

Yes

[elder merlin]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vapid scarab]

they still do some damage

[meager nebula]

If your current gloves aren't great, go nuts

[vapid scarab]

they're still the best gloves you can get till mythic

hard just to sim them tho since sim really overvalues them

but there's nothing else to get so may as well roll for them

[marble elm]

In practice the gloves do similar damage to the physical belt for me

[harsh gate]

That’s decent

[distant hinge]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[frosty aspen]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[patent topaz]

I got frorst damage bracers with a socket yesterday but I wasnt paying attention and upgraded different ones

385 socket benthic is only 22 dps behind 415 socket regular bracers. Insane

[rancid bobcat]

proc scales with ilvl too

[dusk onyx]

Hey all! When do you use the channeling spell of the red punchcard? With vendetta? Or when you out of energy?

[zenith hatch]

when u starving

[bronze kelp]

yeah, when you need to wait for energy, sometimes also when i'm above 70% crit (m+ scenario)

[dusk onyx]

Im no fan of the trinket, too much buttons now with essence wich fit not good into rota 😦 i hope i get soon an other one

[wise whale]

how can i get the iris beam essence to lvl 3?

[vapid scarab]

you use it when you don't have ven/TB/lucid available or currently running and rupture/garrote have >4s remaining

that's it

it fits fine in, you don't have to pop everything on pull all together for things to be good

[arctic walrus]

Damn I wanna upgrade Poen's already but socket is worth +200 and I aint roll it yet ):

[vapid scarab]

maybe if you were a more skilled player you would have rolled a socket already

[wise whale]

ok i found out that i have to combine 15 "focused life anima" which is optainable from weekly m+ chest

has anyone got that yet?

[vapid scarab]

nobody has opened a s3 weekly m+ chest

[lusty narwhal]

Im convinced ill never roll a socket again

[wise whale]

I hope it will be in the chest tomorrow

[vapid scarab]

of course it will be

there won't be 15 tho

[wise whale]

I hope there will be 15

[vapid scarab]

ok well

there won't

r3 of iris does almost nothing for dps anyway

[dense axle]

I think people were saying 3 weeks of 10s get you the rank 3 essence

From the ptr levels

[wise whale]

ok lets see

i got 10 this week

[umbral mauve]

2 weeks of 15s

[wise whale]

1 week of 30?

[umbral mauve]

15s gives 8 anima thing

[daring imp]

Anyone know of a fast way to grind honor for rank 3 blood of the enemy?

[trail cypress]

play Alliance

[vapid scarab]

wait for august 13th when it's bg week again

[bronze kelp]

also take you daily win as the honor you get from the win is also "earned in bg" an counts

also the ashran quest with 50 fragments, which gives 1000 honor counts towards the achievement

[umbral hearth]

AV quest can be done on both factions too

that's 3.5k honor all up (iirc), and wintergrasp also has a win quest

[bronze kelp]

av has a quest ? never did one with my rogue so far ^^

[prisma monolith]

BfD tips and tricks: http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-dazaralor-a-rogue-dps-guide/

[icy ember]

!tips

[tall narwhal]

Guys i'm pretty sure i read at least 2 guudes covering assa in m+ and im still not sure how to deal proper aoe dmg on packs with 4-5 mobs

I open with 3x ss'ed garrote

Then i put out rupture/fok/rupture

Should i also envenom in order to get the buff out, and then FoK?

[vapid scarab]

how many EB traits do you have

[tall narwhal]

1

[vapid scarab]

3+ targets after getting your bleeds out you just spam FoK

[tall narwhal]

I have 2 Ss / 1 eb / 1 ttk / 1 dd

[bronze kelp]

depends on your ttk traits

[vapid scarab]

if there's a priority target then you pump envenoms into it while building cp with FoK

[tall narwhal]

Cabt remember last one

[bronze kelp]

spamming fok on 4-5 targets after setting up bleeds is no good idea

[tall narwhal]

It isnt?

Damn

[bronze kelp]

it is only usefull if you fok+eb dmg is bigger then your envenom dmg

[tall narwhal]

But why cant i FoK and envenom?

[vapid scarab]

you can

[tropic ocean]

you can and should

unless you need hard prio on 1 mob

[tall narwhal]

Ok

Do i understand it correctly

That with envenom buff up

FoK also has increqsed poison application?

[short pivot]

Envenom prio/higher hp target to get that nice envenom buff on the subsequent foks

[timid remnant]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[bronze kelp]

there was this spreadsheet, where you could put in some numbers and it calculates for you on which count of targets it is usefull to spam fok, or if its better to finish with envenom. Im trying to find it

got it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWvPyqa0qja-8-VnsBvzcbXHn5nunbCiu2JKceeM-RU/edit?usp=sharing

[crisp ingot]

how good is a 435 lustrous golden plumage w socket?

[modest jasper]

I would vendor it, terrible trinket.

[tropic ocean]

[modest jasper]

(it's good, why are you asking )

[onyx hedge]

pepehands i only got a 410 😦

[modest jasper]

same 😄

[solid nova]

Plumage, good

435, good

Socket, good

Verdict, Good.

[modest jasper]

3 goods makes a bad.

If I remember math classes.

[dense cedar]

the math checks out

[onyx hedge]

Actually its 3 x Good equals 1425235.4624366 to the power of 9342349 - 13459013453145 = bad

Maff ^

[strange python]

Way to overdo it.

[onyx hedge]

eh

[normal quail]

Man I hate these azerite powers this expansion tbh 🙄

especially since i like to pvp and do mythic+, cant really AoE people to death

[placid mulch]

Its a constant feelsbad

[tall narwhal]

@bronze kelp thank you

[autumn night]

would [Master Assassin] trait work with Pocket Sized trinket

[tropic ocean]

no

[normal quail]

btw, how do I check what sockets etc I should use with simcraft?

[solid nova]

Top gear

[latent tendon]

Do you get the energy regen from a vision proc?

Probably not because that would be completely broken for sin if that were the case

[lament dove]

you get it from bleed procs (on poisoned targets)

if you mean Venomous Wounds

[latent tendon]

That's just regular energy regen

I was talking about the regen you get when activating Vendetta

[shy dust]

Of perfection

[shy axle]

While id say Assa and outlaw will performe very good in myth+ with the new season, i am still exited to see how it play out, where the top players are going to fluke to for various reasons. Warcraftlogs seems to show that as time passes there are more and more people switching to assa. So far, I dont like outlaw on the new affix (for sure a player issue), but my question is: Assa is quite harder to gear than outlaw. If assa proofes to be the "better" specc (take it with a grain of salt, all hypotetical), do you think it would be okay to use the lower ilvl optimal azerit setup (420 2 or 3 Eb, 2 or 3 Tk, 1 or 2 SS) over some of the 430+ pieces that do not have those traits? Without luck regarding residiuum pieces, i am quite unsure what to do. What are your plans so far?

[scarlet sequoia]

Yeah

[solid nova]

[tropic ocean]

Tl:dr

Yes assa harder to gear

[solid nova]

^Yes please.

[sullen pagoda]

that was too much words for a one sentence question

[tropic ocean]

and also yes using 420 good traits over 430/445 bad traits personally

[sullen pagoda]

[nimble tartan]

10 ilvl more is way less value than having bis/really goos azerite setup

like id not replae bis 420 sin m+ setup with 430 scuff

[shy axle]

well, tbh you have to use much words, or people will debate about things they want to correct, that are clear tough, totally neglecting the question

thanks tough rogue-buds

[solid nova]

Is assination harder to gear for M+ than outlaw: Yes
Should you sacrifice ilvl for sub optimal traits: no

Fixed it for you.

[tropic ocean]

i mean asking about traits fine

Declaring indepence of america

Isk

Idk*

[sullen pagoda]

@shy axle thing about assa is traits aren't a bit better or worse for m+, you have good m+ traits and completely worthless in m+ traits

so ye

[normal quail]

@nimble tartan How come? I mean a single target Azerite over a AoE. Its a huge difference

[vestal wren]

you can upgrade benthic to 430 too and there is the engineering head thats good for m+

[normal quail]

What ilvl does the engineering head have?

[nimble tartan]

i mean for me personally as a general rule of thumb if i cant choose between EB, SS, or ttk

im not wearing the piece of gear

[sullen pagoda]

yea

[nimble tartan]

10 ilevel not enough

[tropic ocean]

st traits became more valuabe with s3

but its basically reducing eb to increase ss/ttk count

[nimble tartan]

lets saythe time u save having some NP traits to deal with the affix you would lose way more time from loss on trash damage

which is still a large majority of dungeons

[tropic ocean]

who cares about trash

[nimble tartan]

vendetta itself is more than good enough

[tropic ocean]

its all about carrying voids

[nimble tartan]

and the st is not lacking anyways

[tropic ocean]

i mean theres a reason seli using lucid over beam

[nimble tartan]

what other traitwould function better if u pull void with trash u just fok and value from ttk

[normal quail]

Guess you run Crimson Tempest in M+?

[nimble tartan]

no

[tropic ocean]

No

[normal quail]

Doesnt it do more AoE dmg=+

[woven summit]

Poison Bomb all thr way baby

[tropic ocean]

no

[nimble tartan]

look its all really just a balancing act which is why you see a common settup to be 2ss, 2ttk, 2 EB

[woven summit]

You dont need all out aoe all the time

[nimble tartan]

its all give and take

you gain more st here you lose aoe here and it all has value in a dungeon scenario

[normal quail]

Using poison bomb atm, but was thinking about trying out crimson

[tropic ocean]

with prio pump meta

Poison bomb good

No more braind dead aoe spam

More finishers more procs

Profit

[nimble tartan]

dont miss just fok into ct over and over at critical mass

[woven summit]

What trait setup do we use for subterfuge in raids?

[tropic ocean]

I just switch 1dd to ss np

But if you want to pad I guess 3ss 3np

[woven summit]

And 3 DD?

[tropic ocean]

with 1 ss i doubt u can 3 dd

For me its 1 ss 1 np 2 dd

[woven summit]

My setup atm is 3x SS, 3X DD and 1X NP

[tropic ocean]

how do you have 7 traits

[woven summit]

Wait maybe im wrong

[normal quail]

man I hate these azerite powers more and more, like yesterday I had to switch from a 395 shoulders with great AoE traits to a 420 with great singletarget powers

[woven summit]

2xSS

Sry

2x SS 1X NP and 3x DD

[tropic ocean]

sounds like suboptimal pieces

guess more nps would be > ss

[woven summit]

What would you reccomend changing?

[tropic ocean]

idk your pieces

[woven summit]

So more NP then

[normal quail]

whats NP?

[woven summit]

Aight, Ill see what I can change and sim it

[tropic ocean]

top gear sim your azerite

[umbral mauve]

Nothing personal

[tropic ocean]

to see best trait combo

[woven summit]

Yeah I need to use top gear

I didnt know how to use it but now I think I now

[tropic ocean]

(You can change traits in top gear)

[woven summit]

know

[normal quail]

but top trait doesnt work for AoE does it?

[tropic ocean]

ofc it dors

Does

U just change targets from 1 to7 or 10 or what u like

[woven summit]

For a dungeon scenario it's best to run logs from what I've heard

[normal quail]

oh, didnt know. Not at home now so cant really check with the simcraft addon. guess ill do it when i get bacl

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmF1sguit5zDhjGqTrc5BF

[tropic ocean]

i guess without reaping and voids dungeon slice got better too

[normal quail]

Just came back to playing WoW so I know I dont have alot of good gear etc, and I refuse to switch to Outlaw because its meta. Its too boring imo

[woven summit]

Assassination is good you dont need outlaw

If you dont want to

I now even see a lot of people go keys as asssa

[normal quail]

my friends keep nagging on me tho 😅

[woven summit]

Its a nice spec

Nag your friend back lol

What does he play? What spec?

[normal quail]

blood dk

[woven summit]

Tell him to go unholy

fuck tank

[normal quail]

and i keep telling him to go tank as prot war

😉

[woven summit]

Just kidding

Yeah prot lol

[unkempt karma]

!Wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[unkempt karma]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[unkempt karma]

ops sorry folk

[normal quail]

😉

I installed this one yesterday, https://wago.io/HJe5_pfNm

seems pretty nice

[regal coral]

Hey mates, in scale 1/10, how important weapons are?

[solid nova]

Very?

[stable yarrow]

[normal quail]

hard to tell since azerite powers are more important it seems like

[solid nova]

?

It entirely depends on what you've got now

[regal coral]

My issue: i've a 415 axe and a 410 dagger. Im playing outlaw because of that. My secondary dagger is 375. Just want to know if there is viability in playing assa in that scenario, or still fucked up as outlaw. I want mainly opinions regarding that, not perfect math.

[stable yarrow]

Offhand dagger doesnt matter much

[solid nova]

I mean

Sim it?

And get an accurate answer

[stable yarrow]

^

[solid nova]

Chances are your outlaw set wont outsim Sin with a 375 dagger

But

[unkempt seal]

I mean judging by the way you formulated your question you do not enjoy outlaw. Therefore just play assassination and be happy with it 😅

[regal coral]

That's val

[tropic ocean]

[shy axle]

do you like blood major or iris major more for current myth+?

[lapis obsidian]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[stable yarrow]

iris nerf today

[vestal wren]

probably only relevant for st

[night vale]

yeah iris is still good for m+ imo, if you wanna pump aoe dmg. I think the nerf was more aimed at its ST effect (was simming really high on ST too)

[tepid bramble]

how does one sim themselves with potion of unbridled fury

nvm i found it

[strange python]

Why is my sim crap, I sim 31k dps with 419 gear, pretty much haste etc... don’t have the Minor essence Slot yet could that be the reason?

I will link it in a minute

[solid nova]

Traits/weapons/sockets

Just link it

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j22GPg5WJN2hdtqX2Pfs4R

My weapons and traits are good af

[solid nova]

1 socket

Rank 2 lucid

No minor

[wooden fog]

Ss talented, 0 benthic gear too

[strange python]

SS isn’t a thing anymore?

[wooden fog]

ST = master assassin

Cleave = ss

[atomic saddle]

Is assa now better than outlaw for M+ with the new affixes and the BF nerf on outlaw?

[strange python]

Dunno in 8.1.5 I tried The master assassin combo but I preferred the SS one, dps pretty mich Same but rotation is nicer to play

how do the jc rings work, are they unique so i can equip x1 425 and x1 445

or what

[wooden fog]

If you can constantly get 2-3 garrotes off in a fight as will out shine ma, but is unlikely in new raid until mythic perhaps

[strange python]

or x2 445

[wooden fog]

Most likely just 1 ring makaveli, not 100% tho

[strange python]

And Idk how to feel about benthic, it’s 425 max and tomorrow I will be grinding 10’s all day and probably get 440+ in those slots

[solid nova]

Well for raid the benthic will still be better

For m+ the others will be.

[wooden fog]

@atomic saddle assassination can outshine outlaw in aoe with correct setup both have their perks

[night vale]

but like the benthic frost dmg wrists and the crit boots (with sockets )are better than mythic gear right

thats why people are hard grinding for them

[strange python]

I guess it’s gonna be nerfed then

[wooden fog]

They sim like 500+ dps more than mythic gear

[solid nova]

No one knows if theres going to be tuning

Might as well get something that you earn passively from WQs that out performs mythic socketed gear.

[normal quail]

Question, do you mean Shrouded Suffocation or Swirling Sands when you say "SS" ?

[wooden fog]

It's a dangerous game to not get them just because you think it will be nerfed

Shrouded suffocation

[solid nova]

Theres no reason why you cant get them, and hold another slot for tuning incase it appears

Ive got 430 boots and 425 sockets wrists in my bags

And ill wear the benthic until that changes

[strange python]

Shrouded @normal quail

[normal quail]

But isnt Shrouded worse than swirling sands for AoE? According to Bloodmallet it is

[wooden fog]

A good balance is 2 shrouded 2 twisted knife and 2 eb

[strange python]

For mad aoe u go crit > mastery >> haste?

[wooden fog]

Yep

[normal quail]

Ive been going fully on the haste 😅 so im fucked for the aoe packs

[wooden fog]

Crit for eb to proc

Lol

[normal quail]

its good ST, but now i started enjoying M+

[strange python]

Yes a haste build sucks for M+ even with 3x EB and 2xSS 1x TtK, that’s what i have for aoe... but I have may too much haste and no crit gear

[normal quail]

got 23% crit chance only

[strange python]

I’ve seen M+ assa people with >30% crit, mad aoe dmg

[normal quail]

its nice the 30sec after i pop my blood of the enemy, but after that its shit

[cosmic pier]

30 is weak

😛

[strange python]

Unbuffed? And consider the ‘>’

[normal quail]

means more than 30%, if u didnt know Malsam 😉

[strange python]

Has anyone ever tested a fat crit build in a raid? I think the extra CP’s generated could balance the low haste and lacking energyreg out, a bit

Or is it crap?

[jovial tulip]

Anyone here that can explain how this is possible ?
https://gyazo.com/9c426f1431e726e2a9d8b208a09a6f54

Top gear sims show me that I need haste enchants and sockets, which I have, but now just 1 more = negative DPS ? 😄

[cosmic pier]

link the sim?

[jovial tulip]

lemme find it

[cosmic pier]

thats weird

[normal quail]

Im bad at reading sims, but doens that sim mean that you need more crit?

[jovial tulip]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pnuRBQiG2kKruou8Uvgrjn

[normal quail]

Mine for example, what do I need?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmF1sguit5zDhjGqTrc5BF

[wild edge]

you simmed a second time?

[cosmic pier]

probably because youre using lucid and have a lot of haste gear

but thats still weird

[jovial tulip]

Well, yeah, but I also ran a top-gear which gave me the current gem & enchant setup
Just did the stat weight after to check weights
and not since yesterday, jukill

[cosmic pier]

yeah run it again

[strange python]

i realy hate people like you... 3 contents .. .3 times i never get a good item in the first weak.. and you trinked dagger + warforgede dagger? are you kidding me ?

[solid nova]

Run it again

Its a recent update

The negative haste values have been fixed

[jovial tulip]

Sorry, Asunis x)

[normal quail]

If I understand this correctly, I should remove haste from my socket slots etc and replace it with crit, correct?

[strange python]

❤

[normal quail]

Because sim says Im getting more dps from crit than haste

[cosmic pier]

you should run it through top gear

that will tell you whats best

[normal quail]

damn, im not at home so cant

[wild edge]

and it shouldnt be that different, ~100 dps when you have the wrong ones, save the gold :`D

[normal quail]

unless there is another way to get the data that i have to paste into the text field?

[wild edge]

@normal quail an ithink MA is better you habe no SS, but sim it

you have the simC addon?

[normal quail]

yea, but im not at home so cant use it

rip

yesterday when I did the top-gear one i didnt understand shit

but ill try again today

[mint kindle]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[wild edge]

other question
does a
/cast vendetta
/cast vannish
markro work ? or do i lose 1 sec of MA bc of gcd ?1

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fallow otter]

!wa

[modest tendon]

What azerite traits will you guys use one the add bosses like Zaqul on mythic progress? I'm seeing a lot of success with EB+SS but a lot of that is just padding, would it be better to just go MA to kill the boss as fast as possible?

inb4 go outlaw, im not doing that 😛

[solid nova]

Zaqul, Mythic?

Before any kind of tuning, or its even available yet

🔮

[modest tendon]

haha Im casual itll be ages before I even touch zaqul

more of a general question on what types of builds should be used on progress

[strange python]

outlaw 😉

[gleaming viper]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[normal quail]

I feel so confused over why SS/NP is so good on single target

[modest tendon]

its just very bursty

i think dd does more dps overall

but if you can kill a boss quickly is the best build

[tall pelican]

3x ss 3x np is the best ?

[modest tendon]

its pretty good in m+ tbh, saw an assa rogue with 3ss 2np 1eb the other day 😮

[normal quail]

i mean, i understand why DD is good, cause you use mutilate alot, but NP for example, its a 2min CD

I mean it is better obviously, but I just dont understand how :p

[solid nova]

NP is not good in mythic plus.

[wild edge]

but you are dealing 5-6% of your dmg with NP, its not bad

[modest tendon]

i wouldnt run NP in m+ but i could justify 1 maybe on spefic encounters

ttk is strong as ever

[wild edge]

and maybe with azerite trait vision, it could be better, but if its worth idk

[solid nova]

Its not

[wild edge]

yeah m+ not but in raid

[solid nova]

No, NP in M+ is trash.

[modest tendon]

I dont think its that bad, there are better traits though we agree

[solid nova]

SS/EB/TTK

NP is terrible.

[normal quail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmF1sguit5zDhjGqTrc5BF

[sturdy dust]

For M+, think Iris is still the optimal Major essence after the 15% nerf?

[modest tendon]

I am in the ss/eb/ttk camp as well, i think it could be justified in specifc encounters

[normal quail]

As u can see, mine are quite bad

[faint harness]

NP isnt that bad anymore in m+ i think

the new season (so far) is more about bursting down priority target ads

[modest tendon]

iv found using vendetta on void emissarys a bit of a waste though, usually everyone is focussing them and they die so quickly

[solid nova]

If you want prio damage, thats what TTK gives you

Without being reliant on Vendetta

[faint harness]

depends on level i guess at higher m+ they have a lot more hp

[solid nova]

And scuffing you outside of it

[faint harness]

you run 3x TTK

SS

EB

and like

NP isnt that bad

sure another SS is prob better

[modest tendon]

you would run NP to make high health bosses/mobs dies quicker

[faint harness]

but its not absolutely dogshit

[solid nova]

[normal quail]

is bloodmallet a bad site to get info from or?

[vestal wren]

i am still not convinced that ttk offers what ppl assume it does to that given extend

[normal quail]

cause if TTK is good, that site is trash. doesnt put TTK on high dps at all

[solid nova]

...

Please understand

How those ranking works

Before commenting on them

[vestal wren]

ttk does not offer a lot on overall aoe dps

it does fairly good on st

thats what ttk offers

[shy axle]

are you using larger agi pots or this pot which gives more stat the more adds are present for myth+?

[vestal wren]

also there is a not proven thesis that ttk is good for priority damage in aoe

[solid nova]

No, but its not reliant on a 2minute CD.

[lament dove]

well either I control prio dmg with TTK or everyone in pugs is like super observant and always changes to prio targets

I mean targets that have far more hp

I always target those with some envenoms and they melt

so it feels like I have a lot of control over equalizing mobs hp, but maybe it would be the same without TTK, dunno

[sturdy dust]

I don't know what else you could run for M+. TTK is better than NP, what else is there?

[solid nova]

Priority damage on a 2min CD or Priority damage non CD limited basis

Difficult one.

[wild edge]

Stacking TTK just increase the dmg not the time or?

[modest tendon]

i think outlaw does more prio damage than assa

[woven summit]

Guys this is my best possible sim combination I think

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vWtbK6pK2uPfGYCRoC9jhs

But with this I have only 13% haste

because I need a lot of mastery

[solid nova]

Why arent you using top gear to find it?

[woven summit]

Is 13% haste normal to have?

[sturdy dust]

Low haste is the new trend

[bronze kelp]

@vestal wren why should it not result in more prio target dmg if you take 3 ttk for example ?

[solid nova]

@modest tendon And if you think Outlaw has more priority damage than Sin, youre just trolling at this point.

[woven summit]

Feels a bit weird

But I'll get used to it

Thanks

[jovial adder]

What’s the best way to farm bote

[woven summit]

spam bgs monkaS

I would've had rank 3 by now before raid was up but I went on vacation and couldn't farm it. Now I have my hands full with everything and can't farm it

[modest tendon]

are there any stats on this?

[woven summit]

imagine spamming bgs now with everything in the game

so much going on

[modest tendon]

id like to be proven wrong

[solid nova]

[dark crag]

Game is dead again after getting exalted

[solid nova]

You need statistical data, to think Outlaw does more damage than Sin on priority targets?

[jovial adder]

Bgs... that’s what I gotta do to become buff af

[solid nova]

Im done

[normal quail]

@jovial adder I have it 😉 going for rank 4 lul

[jovial adder]

Let’s just say I put my eggs in the wrong basket.

[bronze kelp]

@modest tendon also you have to prove your thesis right, not the others prove you wrong

[jovial adder]

Ha haaa

[sick eagle]

do we go Crimson over Poison bomb in M+ and if so on how many target should it be used at a minimum?

[dusky tinsel]

no

[bronze kelp]

nope

[dusky tinsel]

poison bomb

[modest tendon]

true i was expressing an opinion

[bronze kelp]

go PB

[normal quail]

@sick eagle Asked the same queston, PB still better apparently :p

[sick eagle]

why tho?

In 8.1 it was CT, now we have higher mastery so thats why?

[dusky tinsel]

Echoing Blades is going to do far more in AoE than wasting CP on CT

[solid nova]

Because CT hits like a noodle

When EB exists

[bronze kelp]

EB shines out CT on high mob count

and on lower enemy count its too weak

[solid nova]

And you dont use it ST.

Dead talent.

[bronze kelp]

and it complicates your rota

[sick eagle]

and exang is a no no as well right?

[bronze kelp]

also with 8.1 CT was only played at the start, after people getting more EB traits, they switched more and more to PB

[normal quail]

Its decent but TB still better

[dusky tinsel]

well that is going to depend on your gear if you have a lot of SS traits and limited choices then exsang isn't bad, but ideally you have EB/TTK and 1 SS in which TB is better

[sick eagle]

ok ty
And for M+ what is the optimal trait setup
3 SS for sure but than how many EB?

[solid nova]

EB/SS/TTK

[dusky tinsel]

3 SS isn't optimal

maybe 1 SS, and the rest EB/TTK

[sturdy dust]

3 TTK, 2 EB and 1 SS usually

[dusky tinsel]

^

[woven summit]

Is it ok to remove one SS for one TTK?

[tiny arrow]

2/2/2 is also pretty decent

[woven summit]

I have 2x SS

[dusky tinsel]

@woven summit yes

[upbeat geode]

What trait is EB?

[woven summit]

3x EB