yea to the point iris minor is like
#assassination
stable walrus
I mean kind of, yea
Just too much variation @tropic ocean
cobalt pelican
marble elm
With font
tropic ocean
Iris minor was my best with lurkers too 🤷🏿♂️
tropic ocean
Wtf
nimble tartan
41k you’re so hot
cobalt pelican
thiq number
marble elm
I think it might just be fucked
tropic ocean
Wtf
cobalt pelican
pretty sure it is
marble elm
I really can’t think of why it would make haste so good
marble elm
Unless I’m missing something obvious
nimble tartan
More damage per energy spent within two bjg amps to agility and % damage
marble elm
Also curious how much you actually lose by not pre channeling
nimble tartan
we literally are just a 2 minute class now bro
tropic ocean
41k dps is insane
marble elm
Benthic 
marble elm
It goes up a few hundred with top gear gems I was just fucking with it
cobalt pelican
(the day before the ma change caused apl bugs)
marble elm
Cause gems are like 10g
tropic ocean
rise probably simming 50k now
tropic ocean
damn I need boots ><
nimble tartan
I love wow and benthic
tropic ocean
Its 6k more than me
cobalt pelican
pls do not lie omr
tropic ocean
🥺
nimble tartan
Haha y’all wearin benthic boy I BEENTHICC
jolly spoke
@nimble tartan i just died irl
marble elm
It’s literallly just benthic
And trinket
Dagger wasnt that huge cause I already had 425
jolly spoke
so what should we be gemming for now? no more haste?
ive seen conflicting reports
of just swap to crit
rigid mango
Stat weights change a lot
shy dust
Yeah im using r3 blood and r3 lucid but my haste value is sitting at 2.0
marble elm
Obv depends on your stats
marble elm
But when I equipped font my haste went from like 4th to far ahead of anything else
rigid mango
It's weird.
shy dust
And it doesnt look like its effected by haste
hazy crater
how would I go about simming M+. I read earlier here that it doesn't quite work for sin
magic thorn
Whats Font ?
shy dust
Yeah
hazy crater
the dungeon slice I mean
shy dust
Im at 23% haste and channeling it
and its still 4 seconds
Yeah the channeling isnt affected by haste
midnight flower
Fun meta 😎
nimble tartan
more haste = more energy = more builders = more finishers = more refund with lucid minor = more energy = more builders = more finishers
It’s just math bro
silent parcel
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nimble tartan
It’s worth you can go fast
acoustic atlas
not worth
nimble tartan
maybe he values mount speed in nazjatar bro...
shell lodge
nvm got the ones with crit and socket
drifting cloud
shell lodge
tropic ocean
more mount speed = faster questing = more pearls = more rolls on crit boots
Its just maths
shell lodge
logic
strange python
so is there any easy way of getting sage agate and azsharine for this jc ring
or do i need to buy 35 at 3k each lmao
fleet whale
so why is the ripple of space minor so bad? is the agi just too low?
cobalt pelican
you're still looking at probably 500k total for a non-rerolled 445 ring
woven summit
So what combo of major + minor are you guys using now? I mean what most people use.
according to their sims
fleet whale
looking at logs it seems people are using Lucid or blood major with worldvein minor
royal lantern
all icons are blue/gold, how can you confuse something there
woven summit
I still need to unlock resonance rank 2
fleet whale
there using multiple essences for one icon
woven summit
got 12 of that need 3 more of those items to combine
vapid scarab
how do you even see what people are using, when I go to rankings it doesn't show anything
fleet whale
maybe it depends on browser?
celest swan
i saw a while ago that people said EB trait is nerfed or something. this turns out true?
royal lantern
its not
vapid scarab
this is all i see
celest swan
and is SS overrated in dungeonslice sim? cause it wins out by alot for me
vapid scarab
i don't even see traits anymore
celest swan
but people say u only want 1
royal lantern
ss probably gained some value back cus it helps with the emisarys
hard too say right now 🤷
fleet whale
this weeks affixes are trash
stable isle
@vapid scarab make ur browser window bigger it should show then
vapid scarab
oh duh it just needs to be fullscreen
spice frost
so i noticed alot of the top parses on zaqal are 3x eb 3x ss. Safe to assume thats just pad for parses? I dont see a reason to wear aoe when the adds die to passive cleave
scarlet sequoia
no its top single target
royal lantern
top parses are almost always pad soooo.......
celest swan
raz is trolling?
faint harness
yes 3 EB and 3 SS is not pad /smileyface
vapid scarab
I mean the adds do need to die on zaqul, they aren't just worthless forget about it targets. But there are definitely a lot better specs and classes than assa to deal with that
royal lantern
they need too die, yeha
but there is a small difference bettwen ''they need too die'' and ''i take full m+ aoe gear too get a high dps number on week 1 too get a #10-#1 parse''
untold current
faint harness
its not like the adds are that important
boss dmg is way more important
so you can skip the 2nd shield
cobalt pelican
is there even that many ads
vapid scarab
I never disagreed
faint harness
no
scarlet sequoia
if youre struggling to skip 2nd shield then wtf are u doing
cobalt pelican
unless you int and don't kill summoners
scarlet sequoia
rofl
leaden garden
New to asa, is it hard to learn energy pooling for tb windows?
faint harness
theres a difference in "struggling" and wasting time on adds
unless the add is about to transform they're not doing anything
scarlet sequoia
idk we almost skipped the first shield when we killed
faint harness
Somehow i doubt that
royal lantern
@leaden garden weeeell
scarlet sequoia
why
royal lantern
when your bleeds are out
vapid scarab
@leaden garden i mean that's down to the individual player, but it's not that difficult
royal lantern
dont spend energy outside of tb except when its about too cap
and use mulitate during the envenom buffs if possible
vapid scarab
bleeds going to expire during your next TB? refresh early
faint harness
cus the first shield happens very early
vapid scarab
also fine to TB at 5cp if it means you get an extra env in TB
scarlet sequoia
it doesnt? its after like 2nd or 3rd damage buff
faint harness
and he uses his first shield at 3:30
faint harness
i guess 1 minute after first shield is "almost skipping it"
scarlet sequoia
close enough yeah
faint harness
did you have 3 shadow priests down or something
faint harness
absolutely broken on that fight
celest swan
any clarification on benthic gloves?
are they owrht it how do they work
if droplets spawn some of them go heal, some of them dps`
regardless on my postion etc?
celest swan
but still worth to get
undecided which i max next belt (phys dmg) or gloves
already ahve bracers and boots maxed
midnight flower
If you have extra pearls
celest swan
and sinc ei cant trsut the sim
midnight flower
I would do belt over gloves
celest swan
in terms of raid tiems it doesnt amter i guess
behemoth drops both
wiht high versa
und both slots have azshara item
midnight flower
I’d also wait until tomw
celest swan
which i guess we dont sue on heroic vs other mythic gear
midnight flower
See if they adjust/nerf those items
midnight flower
Yeah
celest swan
casue seocnd bosos will likely be dead next week
midnight flower
Just zone out after and boost if you don’t get a drop
untold zinc
SO has anyone tested out best time to do focusing and cyclotronic in the rotation?
celest swan
@marble hemlock i saw u talking about using finisher before font of power
and muti afterwards into vendetta then
whats the reason behind this, coudnt i dumb energy with muti and then cast?
@untold zinc i think its correctly implemented into the apl
so u can look at a qucik sim
i dont know into both togehter but cyclo is when u energy starve first time after vendetta
vapid scarab
@untold zinc use cyclo when you don't have vendetta/MA/TB/Lucid off CD or currently active and your bleeds have >4s remaining. By focusing do you mean iris?
Lucid is when you energy starve, not cyclo @celest swan
vapid scarab
I would assume just as close to on CD as possible with the same rules as cyclo, not during any CD and not letting bleeds expire/capping energy
untold zinc
No, lucid minor
celest swan
ye thats i i said only vendetta
vapid scarab
I mean yeah if you don't use lucid major you still wouldn't want to use cyclo during vendetta tho
cobalt pelican
infinite questions
desert vault
guessing sims are good for Benthic stuff? Got the waist with the damage increase, but at 410 doesn't be a regular 420 socket, assume that is correct
desert vault
just doesn't out sim a 420 socket, not too far behind even at 410
I just started back playing today
empty badge
Do i use unbridled fury prepot and mid fight?
vapid scarab
the abberation belt?
empty badge
for single target
vapid scarab
yes
empty badge
thank you sir
desert vault
the belt at 410 is behind a 420 socket i had from s1
420 crit/haste + socket > 410 benthic belt
vapid scarab
@desert vault im asking which belt
rigid mango
A bit of everything my dude
vapid scarab
the abberation belt or the aoe physical one
arctic walrus
That's such a pointless question tbh
desert vault
oh, abberation
sweet flame
sub is simming the same as ma for me atm with no SS traits 🤔
vapid scarab
ok, the abberation belt is the 1 benthic piece that doesn't work in simc
rigid mango
idk tho
desert vault
oh? funny 😃
vapid scarab
just add 2% to w/e your sim is with a regular non benthic belt
arctic walrus
It makes no sense though @rigid mango
rigid mango
arctic walrus
Yeah ig
marble elm
im tryna find out if i just fuck it and keep gemming crit
arctic walrus
About to do a sale run
rigid mango
Wont hurt I don't think
marble elm
lose a lot of sim dps with font
arctic walrus
gonna see how my dmg compares to heroic earlier
sweet flame
I can't imagine going back to playing without lucid tbh
strange python
Is that a Skype emoji
sweet flame
makes the spec feel so much better
marble elm
i just dont know why haste goes to like 7 weight
clever ivy
font = focusing iris or im completely dumb rn?
marble elm
that's what sim says
sweet flame
trying to get an extra gcd into cooldowns maybe? or just reduced channel time?
marble elm
ya thats what im thinking
rigid mango
BUt it is
marble elm
cause i actually have no idea why haste would be better
strange python
did anyone else's haste go way up in stat weights in the last couple days
rigid mango
yah
rigid mango
Haste went up giga if u use
marble elm
did you get font trinket
rigid mango
font
strange python
now*
rigid mango
strange python
20% haste
rigid mango
Nothning makes sense anymore
rigid mango
can u link me ur sim @marble elm
strange python
crit 1481
790 mastery
i guess i just have a bit too much crit now so it bumped haste lmao
sweet flame
prolly just crit then
marble elm
yeah it tells me to play kimbuls over cyclo with font + haste too but cyclo > kimbul's with lucid but here's my max sim give or take cause gems are wrong @rigid mango https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oU4NN2GatsfDGaM5Gxry6W
negative haste weight here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qG5HWSJdnN12rp8Lt44HM6
rigid mango
Dude I'm so confused
marble elm
arctic walrus
Yeah basically same thing here
ancient onyx
41k jesus christ
sweet flame
benthic gear omegalul
arctic walrus
lemme find
marble elm
im pretty sure if i regemmed everything to crit
and didn't use iris
my haste weight would be up there
rigid mango
Sounds like value
marble elm
lemme try
arctic walrus
This was after getting font and not gemming haste
This is me now
There seemed to be a haste breakpoint where sub > MA
celest swan
i perosnaly always sim wiht worldvein
since i use it raid right? it evne sims higher
rigid mango
Yes, worldvein is quite good if people use it
ancient onyx
u guys have giga gear jesus
arctic walrus
I come prepared
ancient onyx
i sim 38,3k LUL
rigid mango
What the fuck is
sonic rapids
what am I missing, how is subterfuge ever better than MA if you run 0x SS?
rigid mango
haste doing
celest swan
what is going on there?
sweet flame
tfw I sim 36.1 atm
rigid mango
It shouldn't be @sonic rapids
sweet flame
literally zero benthic sockets yet lmao
marble elm
its up there
rigid mango
We're tryna figure out why
arctic walrus
10 world veins is 1.3k behind focusing iris minor
marble elm
that's with crit gems
rigid mango
Still
rigid mango
that's haste a fucking MILE over everything else
ancient onyx
u guys should wait a day and stop freaking out, sims were fucked for a day couple days ago too
celest swan
@marble elm
marble elm
i mean im tryna figure out what I should be using tomorrow
and its been like this for a couple days
cobalt pelican
it's not really freaking out it usually helps if people can at least piece together the preliminaries as to what's different
so the apl ppl can pin it down and fix it
(if something is broken)
lusty narwhal
Sims are actually munted
marble elm
it has to be broken
rigid mango
100%
ancient onyx
yup
marble elm
even if the trinket somehow made haste good
rigid mango
Negative haste sims
marble elm
it wouldn';t be 10
rigid mango
rigid mango
Idk fam
lusty narwhal
Haste values are all over the shop I think
Mine changes on the regular without me touching anything
marble elm
yeah catch me not using lucid minor
lusty narwhal
Ikr lol
ancient onyx
i mean just logically thinking, with current traits haste has terrible value
marble elm
I mean im not an apl expert
but cast sequence doesn't look not normal
the only change i think from before is using font after bleeds
instead of on pull
celest swan
mytler answered me on that wait i copy it
marble elm
previously it would channel at 0 and it does this now https://i.imgur.com/F9KUM6K.jpg
celest swan
^"Precombat APL does not support channels, atm."
spice frost
ori wristwraps the benthic wrists we want right?
lusty narwhal
Thats a really weird sequence
arctic walrus
I don't seem to be really doing crazy damage
lusty narwhal
@spice frost yes
arctic walrus
Still getting beat by ele
marble elm
the only weird part is the channel
but i think that sequence sims higher than channel at 0
and not press any buttons until 4
but you don't do either of those in practice
arctic walrus
To me the only reason here is sim wants us to load as much damage as we can into the 30s font window
marble elm
how much haste did u have in that 10 weight sim
lusty narwhal
This is actually just ruining my mind
arctic walrus
maybe around 19?
marble elm
i already regemmed crit and nobody can stop me
arctic walrus
-3 at flat 23%
lusty narwhal
^ i did that with lucid because haste lost a tonne of value
But other seem to run it with high haste and get better results
Essences are cool and all but such a nightmare to work out right now lol
ancient onyx
i just love how blizzard said they don't want to add any complicated dps system to the game after Legion legendaries... they proceeded to add 2 systems that absolutly need simming
carmine valve
I dont see much point of the traits that are non spec spesific like heed my call after they decided to go away from having to unlock traits based on neck lvl
scarlet sequoia
yeah
marsh widget
Not kamehameha for the adds?
rigid mango
If you wanna pad sure
marsh widget
pad, sorry?
rigid mango
If you want to inflate your dps with no real value for killing the boss
celest swan
as assa u basicly ignore the smal add wave
marsh widget
oh okay
celest swan
maybe fok twice for the adds spawning in azshara
cobalt pelican
there are plenty of classes who LIKE having iris major
or at least don't detest it like us
just let them do it
celest swan
why we detest it?
marsh widget
Innit good for m+?
celest swan
sry major, i read minor
ancient onyx
i don't 100% agree with the "padding" thingy about Iris
if u have good boss placement
u can hit a lot of important adds with it
rigid mango
Yeah but they should die
celest swan
we baiscly always play lucid major
ancient onyx
a lot of the time
rigid mango
without you needing to use iris
celest swan
it feels good and has good results
dark crag
What happened to herodamage azerite sims, supterfuge new default build?
marble elm
iris on aszhara is padding
cobalt pelican
i haven't played lucid major once this patch dob
tepid fractal
yo yellows whats the best little neck ability for m+ for sin?
cobalt pelican
i mean if for example iris is the best major essence for dks, it lines up with the cooldown anyway to be used on them
marble elm
then use iris on a dk
cobalt pelican
yes thank you
desert vault
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celest swan
@cobalt pelican u use BotE?
cobalt pelican
yes
marble elm
im just saying giving up boss damage to kill irrelevant adds is dumb
rigid mango
Aye
cobalt pelican
i'm not surrendering my 130k envenoms for noone
arctic walrus
There's classes better at it than rogue, leave it to them
hazy iron
Yeah
I’m not high on meters in our group but my boss damage / priority damage is huge
Of 3 rogues, only one not using iris major on azshara
hazy iron
I’m unsure, I didn’t discuss
cobalt pelican
the first day we did azshara our rl really wanted MAXIMUM IRIS and it took a little coercing to settle on only a few
but i'd never want to play that shit out of choice
arctic walrus
Got a log you can link?
marble elm
u dont really even need anyone to play it
cobalt pelican
you don't need anyone to play it no
strange python
Iris feels pretty good in M+ imo but to be forced to use that on ST is horrible
cobalt pelican
it's pretty clean to have 3-4 classes that already use it sacrifice the boss blast for it
just to tidy it up
hazy iron
I have logs, but on phone atm
proven wasp
running iris on heroic azshara. good idea?
scarlet sequoia
yeha
marble elm
crucible major 
strange python
So that extra prio damage with crucible comes in useful
sand granite
Whats our best pot?
white basalt
Unbridled fury
arctic walrus
Bruh I can't get rank 1 without better daggers 
rigid mango
With those sims shouldn't matter
strange python
didn't get daggers from crab lady on first kill 
cobalt pelican
i can't get rank 1 ever with any gear because i'm too prone to just killing m yself randomly mid pull
marble elm
friendship ended with cephalohide, bomber jacket is my new best friend https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8VW3bUr9WYZYi6Kx6Q8WhA
rigid mango
lusty narwhal
Rip
cobalt pelican
haste is now the devil
please, sell all of your stocks in haste
and buy crit
tell your friends
marble elm
too bad my engi helm wont be mythic for 2 weeks
quest got removed from my quest log
cobalt pelican
same actually
got scammed
i'm on 38/200
it's tilting too cause i don't want to get 58 neck level for the +5 on heroic gear
i'd rather just not
balmy quest
How many ornaments do you get from normal bosses?
cobalt pelican
1 per normal 10 per hc 20 per mythic same as last tier me thunks
balmy quest
Tyty
cobalt pelican
which means if you actually played the game properly fullclear2x+1mythic = big googles
but for most people because it was all fucky it's like
4 mythic bosses
or another week
nimble tartan
Put on benthic gear I’ll remove the quest again
marble elm
omr hard banking on the benthic nerf
zenith gust
is people using bote+lucid opener actually simming higher than with other esssences? i cant get that combination of essences to sim higher than lucid+iris. i have 8 sockets, so stats shoulndt be a problem. still simming like 500+ lower with bote+lucid 😦 feelsbadman
cobalt pelican
nah he has all his benthic gear ready to go
nimble tartan
Iris nerfed 😳👌
I refuse benthic just like I refused ss for the entirety of bod bro...
cobalt pelican
you said you were lucid for life but i see you in logs playing blood?
i don't trust you any more bro
you broke my heart
cobalt pelican
next thing i see big Omr decked out in his 425 benthic gear
and re the lucid/iris thing ever since the haste thing iris minor has simmed higher for me
before these issues cropped up they did not
which is obviously just cause iris minor is just haste
FREE haste
nimble tartan
Stop bro
marble elm
nimble tartan
CEASE
cobalt pelican
i'm playing bote+lucid
arctic walrus
You guys stack adds on orgo?
celest swan
whats bote usage without MA? just after TB?
spice frost
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eSjLDQjHj3RVENzVGGRkZD why would subterfuge sim 150 higher than ma when i dont have any ss traits?
zenith gust
so should i just go lucid+iris as sims tell me? i'm feeling confused right now, i can't be the only idiot getting way better sims with lucid+iris....
spice frost
is that common for others as well rn?
cobalt pelican
i get way better sims with lucid+iris right at this moment and am not playing it
and am rather playing blood/lucid
spice frost
is the play still go ma and ignore the sim?
lusty narwhal
I believe so
arctic walrus
It's just even weirder that sample log doesn't even get use of double garrotes during sub window
zenith gust
@cobalt pelican is it necessary to have lucid rank 3 to play the "bote build"?
cobalt pelican
it's pretty normal to not double garrote with no ss
and yes, it probably is
the only thing i notice wonky with the thing is just
trinket placement is like
actually random
spice frost
well if you have 2 on uses, sim probably gets lost
marble elm
day before mythic
cobalt pelican
sometimes it'll trinket 2 seconds after vendetta, sometimes it'll just not
marble elm
this channel imploding
spice frost
and most people are cyclotronic/lurkers/ashvanve/azshara
zenith gust
would that lucid versa proc explain why i sim like 500dps less with bote+lucid (rank 2) compared to lucid+iris?
cobalt pelican
it's pretty fine to just play what you played on heroic
yes
just put lucid 3 into your sim and check
it's not difficult
change the 2 to a 3 :bigbrain:
nimble tartan
Finally the feelycrafters will rise up to our rightful throne
cobalt pelican
lucid essence id is 27 i think so
nimble tartan
Sim drones are SHAKING
celest swan
@cobalt pelican whats my bote usage without ma? after tbe with 4+ CP?
cobalt pelican
so just change any instance of 27/2 to 27/3
i don't know the exact best actually, bote probably loses a bit of it's value playing subterfuge
i'd imagine you'd play very similarly to the ma opener without the vanish
ie, gar mut rupt vend tb mut blood env mut (mut) env
but that's just me making it up i do not have any math to back it up
and obviously just vanish for a garrote reapplication when it's time
celest swan
ye seems logical at least
importan part is that its inside tb and i try to get 2 env in it right?
cobalt pelican
more or less, yes
celest swan
not important for that but afaik the new opener ist
cobalt pelican
in the real world you can probably delay tb by the 1 global
so mut prior to tb after vendetta
celest swan
mut>mut>rup>gar>vendetta...
cobalt pelican
yeah, they're so very minorly different
and one is just much more intuitive to my fingers
celest swan
true
celest swan
if u lucky and get 4 cp wiht the first mut
cobalt pelican
2 might aswell be 5100
celest swan
the opener gets real smooth
hazy iron
Lol
arctic walrus
basically
hazy iron
If you’re not first, you’re last
arctic walrus
I'm the best at being the worst : /
little marten
woot woot! got socketed benthic boots!
arctic walrus
Going up on Zakul is a dps loss now isn't it 
royal lantern
Yes...?
hazy iron
Negative haste weights kappachino
cobalt pelican
something else i noticed in the sim that is probably common sense but i'm going to ask anyway is like, font is only ever channeled for 3.3x seconds is that just the last tick of the refresh
i'm so fking stupid when i play with it actually
trying to use it on azshara tonight tilted me
so many pulls with no stealth or pot
nimble tartan
When u accidentally crit pot and get rank 1 😂😂 UNBRIDLED WHO
cobalt pelican
focused resolve is still best pot we just told everyone to buy unbridled to unsettle the logging world
and the economy
illuminati
hazy iron
We got our pull timer on point for azshara, I had no issues channeling and stealth/pot
nimble tartan
I can’t wait to unload all my fuckin pearls tonight
cobalt pelican
for our first 10 pulls we weren't even getting pull timers
just pot when the room lights up 4head
is what we got
and here i am tryting to channel my ass off
arctic walrus
I noticed some in the patterns with the lights but I was still off or missed it sometimes
arctic walrus
cobalt pelican
so it is
arctic walrus
Yea big 4 seconds
cobalt pelican
guess i misread
is the last tick of the buff reapplication literally on 0.0seconds
celest swan
hm jsut tested and hard to say with my tired eyes
rigid mango
@arctic walrus @marble elm can u guys try simming w/out forfce
force*
And see if your sims are still scuffed
celest swan
but it seems like
cobalt pelican
i don't really understand though
shouldn't the smart sim iterations iron that out
and if not
cranking iteration count up to 100k
or are enchants that vary not simmed like that
shy dust
Are we getting closer to understanding why some people were having 10 haste sims and others -2?
vast forum
well, can't get any further 🤷
signal crag
so does anyone else use Ashvanes razor coral?
cobalt pelican
oh no, that's not negative haste
arctic walrus
idk how to sim stat weights with different enchants
celest swan
wait i did like two topgear sims
barren wadi
focusing iris nerfed 15% lol
cobalt pelican
you just need to use one
celest swan
without, why such big difference?
cobalt pelican
cause force can proc any s tat
so any random procs can swing what it's proccing so if you literally had no enchant it'd be fine
or at least "fix" it if that's what caused it
signal crag
wait @arctic walrus how do you have 3 60 stat gems ?
cobalt pelican
those are enchants
signal crag
go over the gem it says 60 haste
signal crag
oh okay only cuz the crit ones say 50 was just curious
cobalt pelican
if i take the top gearset from the top gear you posted
it's just
only difference is the baked portato that i normally sim with cause i have no other food
zenith gust
@cobalt pelican ok yeah, simming with lucid rank 3 makes my bote+lucid(rank3) 300dps stronger than lucid(rank2+iris.... but simming my actual lucid+iris with lucid rank 3 also increases dps, and makes lucid+iris be way stronger for me... so rip bote dream
cobalt pelican
i wouldn't say so yet
it's fucky haste night
and iris gives haste
so it's a part of the fuckyness
rigid mango
ok so culprit is force + font?
marble elm
guess so
cobalt pelican
one is baked portato
one is feast food
no idea
because not using haste food
shouldn't push you over a force threshhold
that causes something fucky to happen
unless you're like
celest swan
so how should i hadnle the "haste breakpoint" does it realy do anything?
celest swan
should i trust it and what is the breakpoint
arctic walrus
I actually feel like I am exactly over whatever breakpoint this is
celest swan
like what is happening
cobalt pelican
let me check your exact stats
celest swan
u can see it perfectly here
same aptns in topgear
but crit gem isntead of haste gem
~250 dps! lul
her the report
was wrong one, not its right
cobalt pelican
yeah
you're legit like
rocking some crit/haste wackyness
where like
a food buff change
changes what the sim puts as your force proc?
and that is giving you either BIG value or tiny value
i think?
woops
celest swan
is it possible to get a fourth cast into MA?
marble elm
ok
celest swan
is that what the haste breakpoint is?
cobalt pelican
is there anything else that sways a ton with like
i know force gives you your highest stat
is there other things
arctic walrus
3 OP?
cobalt pelican
i don't really get it
rancid spade
still 2212121 fot ST?
cobalt pelican
it makes sense if you had font equipped and that's how it was working
marble elm
when I equip fon
marble elm
my crit becomes within food buff value
of going higher than haste
without font its not
cobalt pelican
but like, it shouldn't make a difference without force as a weapon enchant
unless i'm forgetting something else
cobalt pelican
that gives you 'your highest stat'
harsh goblet
ashvanes razor coral with the mechagon on use is clunky af
and I cant find anything on razor coral usage so im just holding stack for TB and vendetta
harsh goblet
so apply coral on pull with first vendtta and dont clear until second vendetta?
rigid mango
"You should be using coral with vendetta"
woeful minnow
yes, stack for 2 minutes then use on 2nd vendetta
vapid scarab
and a lot of crit
woeful minnow
except it's different because it's not available for your first vendetta
so it's not like every on use
harsh goblet
it wouldnt be a wow class discord without at least on person answering with a worthy amount of condescension
at least some idiot didnt say check the pins
woeful minnow
if "applying it" also counted as an use then that would mean your 3rd vendetta would just be the initial activation
rigid mango
Well I mean, you're both asking questions I've answered with one answer
rigid mango
signal crag
harsh goblet
I am immune I played feral for years this is nothing
rigid mango
We're nearly at semantics at this point my dude
harsh goblet
that discord was a meme
rigid mango
If you can't take someone answering with slight hint of snarkyness
this aint the place either
harsh goblet
hey: "it wouldnt be a wow class discord without at least on person answering with a worthy amount of condescension"
🤡
besides thats how I know im getting accurate information - if I can read the reponse and imagine them rolling their eyes as they typed it
arctic walrus
So obviously font is what's causing weird stat shit, but just wanted to make sure
dribbling kimbul
rigid mango
It's font + force I think
rigid mango
like, I didn't mind your first question
It was entirely fine
But your followup question was litearlly just questioning the answer you got
rigid mango
I could screenshot idiot, but I'm too lazy
harsh goblet
rigid mango
zenith gust
this is going a little #off-topic
dull mason
Don't you guys see this is what N'zoth wants!?
rigid mango
It is, and that's why the convo ends here, banter aside.
cobalt pelican
but with font on and crit food you're fine
so uh
what the fug is font doing
where if you have 93 haste over crit
you do 20k more dps
??????
cobalt pelican
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ihhqW7eEAp5m7Af5Vzc4Sf/simc still has font on
but the 93 base crit food
which pushes your crit 'value' above haste
i don't think it's specifically font
more that
font has 193 crit doesn't it
so you remove the entire problem of overlapping your stats
it'd be ideal if you could somehow get 193 crit from somewhere on a trnket that's not font to check
but i don't think there's any other crit trinkets within 50 crit that are easy to get
is there any in the game i can just throw into the sim
(trinkets with crit base stat)
i'd have to scale up a wq trink somehow
arctic walrus
Would gemming crit over haste not alleviate the problem
cobalt pelican
i want them to be like right ontop of each other with no font ideally
just to check
but i can just do it by throwing in one of these wq trinkets at 400 ilvl or something
native fable
I can’t cancel lurkers anymore, did I miss a nerf?
native fable
👌
summer onyx
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
lusty narwhal
What macro you using
native fable
I’m not online at the moment, will check it out later
rigid mango
arctic walrus
Big tip don't vanish charged spear, it goes off immedietly
cobalt pelican
i've been stood still hitting a target dummy for so long that like
the sound is just like a metronome in my brain
for my sleepy self
vapid scarab
what diff are you doing @arctic walrus
cobalt pelican
efficiency
summer onyx
Looking at essence sims, shoukd i use memory in a major slot for now since i obviously dont have rank 3 condescence?
vapid scarab
@summer onyx just sim your character
arctic walrus
The zine essence 🤔
arctic walrus
"condescending" essence 
rigid mango
marsh widget
Got her boys, Thanks!
rigid mango
Heck man, I guess that's me
arctic walrus
nimble tartan
i figured the meta out......
rigid mango
cinder nymph
ive tried to find this.. what are the benthic pieces i want? belt/boots with which stats?
nimble tartan
unequip benthic...
arctic walrus
Did you hit your head Omr
vapid scarab
@cinder nymph you didn't try very hard
nimble tartan
tbh im delirious today was 2 long
cinder nymph
got it..
cobalt pelican
benthic is a ruse
nimble tartan
everyday i lose more hope that ion will save me
arctic walrus
Ion has long abandoned us
cobalt pelican
ion is my dad
watch your mouth
i wish i had a big brain and could do theorycrafting stuff
how does one expand their brain
on the quick pls
nimble tartan
sim your brain and see what stats u need to improve
rigid mango
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
it might not actually be fake if it's a real breakpoint for ---something---
but who knows what the fug that something is
at least there's a big brainer on the case now
golden bobcat
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
cobalt pelican
same, dude
rigid mango
Same tbh
nimble tartan
i wake up and log in to brainbots.com to figure out my BIS stats
timber meadow
rigid mango
Fury
cobalt pelican
fury is the best but also the only one i don't feel like shotgunning myself to the dome when i waste 5 seconds of
rigid mango
Undridled fury
arctic walrus
I play like ass on azshara
cobalt pelican
i play fine until p3 then i lose control of my character and my fps meter
vapid scarab
I mean, i would expect most people in the ass channel to play like "ass"
marble elm
just hit the boss harder
cobalt pelican
yeeee
arctic walrus
Buff in the last phase is so pointless with this haste build
arctic walrus
big on casters shit on us
vapid scarab
can't wait to wipe to RNG because nobody/wrong people even got the buff
strange python
vers 
onyx rock
Vers Build + no benthic gear ❤
strange python
redpill me on the vers build
nimble tartan
we love a natural gamer
kind bone
Any good WA?
onyx rock
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
kind bone
Thanks!!
empty badge
Why do we refresh rupture at 7.2 seconds if pandemic is a thing?
cobalt pelican
a perplexing question
red plaza
🤔
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
yes, all 7.2 seconds of it
red plaza
yes and 7.2 is the breakpoint for a 5 point rupture
empty badge
so basically iif i rupture at 7.2 seconds it adds to the next one and i gaini an entire tick?
dire spoke
maybe he's testing us 
empty badge
No my friend iis confusing me
dire spoke
30% IS the pandemic
vapid scarab
30% of any dot/buff ever
cobalt pelican
pls just delete the word pandemic from your vocabular and understand 30% of a spell can roll to the next one
wheat bobcat
Do I have to grind blood of the enemy or will others eventually outscale it?
cobalt pelican
7.2 and 6 exist because our rupture length changes with cp spent
blood is expected to be replaced by lifeforce in a couple weeks
if not now (by lucid/iris or something), gear depending
grind it if you want it but do not feel obligated
vapid scarab
lucid is typically just as good as well
wheat bobcat
okay thanks
empty badge
Thank you everyone
30% is break pooint
I understand rteasing now behidnd the second
fallow otter
btw guys, tested lastnight - 5stack feint for azshara you can just eat the pop
just make sure you are topped
had ~260k hp at the time so 130k
if you want to min max dps without CoS
vapid scarab
any resounding probably makes it a non issue
lost horizon
eat the pop?
dire spoke
fucking mclean
vapid scarab
from when I tested it once to it's not really sketchy at all
doesn't even take you to half
solemn mason
whats the top pot right now . FR or Agi?
lost horizon
i never bothered to try to stay in tbh, if the boss is in a good spot you never have to run out far
lost horizon
@solemn mason unbridled fury for me
yo @dire spoke i've been here, where've you been?
dire spoke
