#assassination

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civic palm
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o _O

spice surge
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There hasnt been any relevant changes to the APL or anything else in simc during the last 2 days that would make herodamages essence tab somehow inaccurate

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Vision just isnt a good essence for assa

opal meadow
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it reduces the cooldown of vendetta right?

spice surge
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Yes, which you dont want

cobalt gyro
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^ you want your cooldowns to remain synced

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which vision stops from happening

spice surge
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Because then it doesnt line up with aszhara storm items, vanish nor your on-use trinket

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So the minor is literally useless

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The major is decent, but since it doesnt have a minor it gets outshined by most things

cobalt gyro
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even then the major does similar to the minor

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(desyncing cooldowns)

spice surge
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The major doesnt reduce any cd

spiral beacon
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
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It just procs it for 7s

cobalt gyro
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oh, they changed it from ptr then, ok

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it used to lower CD when it proc'd

spice surge
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ye, doesnt anymore though

cobalt gyro
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makes it a bit better for assa. imagine if you could get a differrent minor with it

wary frost
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having a hard time deciding on what race should my assassin rogue be

meager nebula
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whichever one looks the best generally

odd rampart
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Aesthetics or bust

meager nebula
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racials don't add much in terms of performance

wary frost
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i mean night elf has 2nd vanish as racial, then dark iron has a racial that makes vanish guaranteed without it being removed by DoTs

opal minnow
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make zadalari and call it buff daddy braddin. ez game

wary frost
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prefer alliance though

meager nebula
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the night elf meld has no effect in raids

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in m+ obviously its nice

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so it really depends on what content you're doing

wary frost
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both tbh, pvp and pve

odd rampart
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NE probably, meld is good

onyx rock
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Night Elf with the new black eyes are 👌

wary frost
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actually in your opinion, which race looks good in leather

meager nebula
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NE then if its an all rounder

wary frost
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for transmog

onyx rock
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Belf... or nightelf for alli

wary frost
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void elf too 🤣

onyx rock
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Oh lol i totally forgot they are ingame

dense blaze
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What's this I hear about not using CT in any situation ever

onyx rock
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Well its true... the gcd is not woth it. You do more dmg with fok and EB traits

dense blaze
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Do we need 3 EB to do that

rigid mango
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Like, just don't use CT

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If you're using any EB

strange python
rigid mango
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Yes

shy dust
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Yeah lucid lowers the value of haste

rigid mango
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That's more the major though

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the minor barely does

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Mastery is just a very good stat and was close/better for me before 8.2

spice surge
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Why do you have such random items equiped merkyah

cobalt gyro
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mastery invreases DD and NP damage so if you're running any of those mastery taking over haste is pretty reasonable

spice surge
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Incase you want to do more damage

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Equip your good items (this is topgear from only gear you have btw)

opal oyster
harsh sphinx
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just briefly looking through it , your running shrouded suffocation but not empowering your garrotes most vanishes

📎 vanish.PNG
pastel tiger
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I just would like to make sure I understand the rotation correctly- I should be using envenom at 4 points and not 5?

vapid scarab
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both

civic palm
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4+

vapid scarab
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if you end up at 4 cp you finish

opal oyster
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@harsh sphinx u mean, vanish then garrote?

harsh sphinx
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garrote twice

vapid scarab
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you want to pandemic the empowered garrote

opal oyster
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ohh, got it

cobalt gyro
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In the spot he showed the correct play would probably have been

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Vanish > garrote > rupture > garrote > mutilate > envenom

civic palm
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MMM

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With SS?

cobalt gyro
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Yeah he has an SS trait

civic palm
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Because that's 7CP > _>

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or 8

cobalt gyro
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Well looking at it again it actually probably should have been

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Rupture > vanish > garrote twice > env

civic palm
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or Vanish > Rupture/ENV > Garrote x2

depending on energy.

cobalt gyro
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I was assuming he wanted to refresh rupture either way, yeah

civic palm
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This is really picky though

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Just Garrote x2 in the Subterfuge window.

opal oyster
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roger, always 2xgarrote with subterfuge

civic palm
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This is one of the dumb little nuances that SIN has that shows no actual DPS gain but there's a difference between doing it right or wrong.

cobalt gyro
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Yeah, with subt it should pretty much always be (at least two garrotes) + something else

harsh sphinx
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on grong you held onto vanish for too long, first use 45 sec. i would just Vanish garrote grong twice/ the add if you can after your initial 3 envenoms

cobalt gyro
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If there's a second target, then it'd be three garrotes

civic palm
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Yep.

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Garrote (Primary) > Garrote (Secondary) > Garrote (Primary)

opal oyster
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it was a pug, they were too far

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😦

cobalt gyro
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Happens, can't always get it, not a big deal

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The important part is always two

civic palm
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In reality if the Vanish is NOT part of the Opener and you have running Garrotes, you can;

Vanish > G (Primary) > G (Secondary) > etc.

With Combo Point and Energy levels dictating whether you do a finisher before the Vanish, after the Vanish, between the Garrotes, or after the Garrotes.

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Who said this spec was easy? o _O

faint harness
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what do you guys bind the cyclotronic blast to?

unreal perch
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vendetta

faint harness
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i've noticed you can use a GCD with it

cobalt gyro
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My normal trinket button

civic palm
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My on use trinket keybind.

rigid mango
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You dont want to use it w vend tho

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do u?

civic palm
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Which is G.

cobalt gyro
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/use 13
/use 14

opal minnow
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^

faint harness
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what i'm saying is, it doesnt trigger a gcd so you coudl technically mutilate and start the cast at the same time, saving a GCD

civic palm
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barf

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Yeah just press the button.

rigid mango
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In that case

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should be rupture

faint harness
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cant be

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no guarantees you'll use them together the 2nd time

cobalt gyro
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In the opener I pop it with my lurkers, right before vendetta

faint harness
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yea but you can use it while triggering a GCD

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instead of triggering a GCD

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use it

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wait for cast

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use another ability

unreal perch
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you just activate it while the GCD is going

blissful basin
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dungeon slice on rb is best for m+, correct?

faint harness
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gotta be lightning quick for that, a macro would make it easier. Just dont know what ability

cobalt gyro
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Yes it is

unreal perch
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I mean the only one that can really line up with it is vendetta

faint harness
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doesnt have to be a major cd

opal minnow
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you can do tb if you're careful around cds

civic palm
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Just press the buttons at the same time > _>"

odd sun
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Have you guys tried using potion of focused resolve yet (20% crit chance)? It pulls you out of stealth and doesnt even proc subterfuge. Not sure if that's intended

faint harness
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i can guarantee that you're not fast enough

cobalt gyro
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I literally do garrote > mut > rupt > mut till 4 > trinket > tb > vendetta > vanish

unreal perch
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the problem with other abilities is you aren't going to line up with the CD always for cyclotronic

civic palm
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I can guarantee that I am.

faint harness
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like you skip the "downside" of it having a cast time if you use it exactly when GCD is triggerend

cobalt gyro
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Okay but the part that's relevant here is

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Who cares as sin unless you cap energy

unreal perch
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if you put it on mutilate, you HAVE to be using mutilate at the same time as cyclotronic or it's just not being used on CD

opal oyster
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thank you very much for your time ppl 😃

civic palm
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Correct :3

cobalt gyro
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It is not a damage loss unless you cap nrg

unreal perch
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same with rupture, or garrote

faint harness
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yea but mainly opener stuff then

unreal perch
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it's really not hard to press both buttons

faint harness
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im not a piano player

civic palm
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That's fair.

opal minnow
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then don't bind it to 0

civic palm
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Good instrument though, pick it up :3

faint harness
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its on Shift - F

cobalt gyro
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Open character sheet

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Right click trinket

faint harness
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LUL

cobalt gyro
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Not like you don't have time with sin's 10 apm

faint harness
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its all about not wasting gcds in opener for me

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not so much in the middle of it all

civic palm
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No such thing so long you are GCD locked and not energy capped.

cobalt gyro
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Just use it before you pop any cooldowns

faint harness
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thats what im doing anyway

opal meadow
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is anyone simming for 36k+? can you link your raidbots if so

faint harness
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But still

rigid mango
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@odd sun it doesn't even give 20% crit

unreal perch
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you really don't have to worry about wasting GCDs

rigid mango
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it's super buggy, don't use it

faint harness
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just get more sockets 4Head

cobalt gyro
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36k+ sounds

faint harness
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anyway i'll find a way to use it

cobalt gyro
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Insanely high

faint harness
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i sim 35.75k

opal meadow
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im at 35.5k just trying to minmax more

harsh sphinx
opal meadow
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rank 3 blood shiit

faint harness
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and he's not even using the trinket

cobalt gyro
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I mean at the gear we're at

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36k is literally sockets.

faint harness
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yes

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just get more sockets

opal meadow
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only 7 sockets :p

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all of my benthic pieces have sockets.. just not enough perals to upgrade them to good ilvls

faint harness
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bote rank 3

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but lucid rank 1

civic palm
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o _O

faint harness
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weirdchamp

harsh sphinx
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-_-

unreal perch
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and here I am with one socket -_-

faint harness
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got a pvper here

opal meadow
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i was simming for almost 36k with Bote rank 3

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but i don't have it unlocked..

harsh sphinx
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i just got rank 2, im still neutral with rustbolt pepeclown

unreal perch
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god I wish I had Bote

faint harness
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why

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its only good if you have no other options

rigid mango
opal meadow
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what else is better?

rigid mango
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Bote is like

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BiS atm

cobalt gyro
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actually not really terrible as a minor

rigid mango
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+- from flames r3

faint harness
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im using bote rank 3 myself but i am not going to do that when i have the bis essences

opal meadow
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resonating is gonna be better but we cant get it yet

faint harness
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thats what i mean

harsh sphinx
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it feels kind of weird at first on opener but

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big pump

rigid mango
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But like

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It's current BiS

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it's not just "any other option" lul

faint harness
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i never think of the current situation as valuable when it comes to talking about bis essences or similar

cobalt gyro
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only at r3 tho

rigid mango
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Until you've farmed the raid for weeks until we have r3 life

faint harness
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between raids who cares

zenith gust
rigid mango
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You'll not swap, probs

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Maybe r3 flames but idk

cobalt gyro
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does this count

faint harness
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i like bursting over 100k in opener while not even using my plumage trinket cus my macro didnt work and i only realised after raid reeee

opal meadow
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rank 3 flames barf

harsh sphinx
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i'll allow it

unreal perch
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I'll probably have to go no bote because islands, ew

rigid mango
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Just slowly farm r3 flame

faint harness
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imagine having lurkers

rigid mango
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It's probs 2 weeks away I suppose

cobalt gyro
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pretty sure if i had my old off-hand with a socket I'd be at 36k

unreal perch
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I mean I'd feel better if I was even close to r2 flame

rigid mango
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For non hard island grinders

cobalt gyro
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but i didn't want to have to buy so many enchants

rigid mango
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If you're nto close to r2 flame you're either not playing or doing something very wrong

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or were behind from start

unreal perch
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though I do have to do my island weekly though

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and ya I was behind from the start on my rogue

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I only like, just came back to them

harsh sphinx
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the sim doesn't use bote until after the first envenom

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crit or miss pretty much

unreal perch
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I'm only at 51 atm though

faint harness
unreal perch
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got some catching up to do

faint harness
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you like btw

unreal perch
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I hate it thanks

faint harness
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I also hate it

opal meadow
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that's hot

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mine's only 420 socket 😦

faint harness
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getting 425 TF 2 weeks before the tier is over

opal meadow
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it'll help you push into next tier

faint harness
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cus of weapon dps, probably legit replace first weapon i get at 430

unreal perch
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weapons I need to catch up on way more than heart levels

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I don't even wana talk about my weapons..

opal meadow
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anyone know how many ilvls the crit boot effect is equal to?

cobalt gyro
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like

rigid mango
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455

cobalt gyro
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a fuckload

opal meadow
dense blaze
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How much do we like the red punchcard from Rustbolt?

rigid mango
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probs more

zenith gust
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your weapons cant be worst than mine tbh

rigid mango
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¨Very much so

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Cyclonic is nuts

cobalt gyro
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what did u change

unreal perch
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how bad are yours?

zenith gust
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405 + 400 lul

rigid mango
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The boots are worth like, I think more than mythic pieces atleast

unreal perch
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mine are far worse

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I told you, I'm behind

rigid mango
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with sockets maybe more than 455 but idk

cobalt gyro
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someone said their 385 socket was outsimming actual boots

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take that as u will

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@opal meadow try mastery gems and leviathians eye

opal meadow
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im testing that right now

rigid mango
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"actual boots"

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wdym odo

opal meadow
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i have a levi eye on my gloves

cobalt gyro
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actual boots as in

opal meadow
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what the fuck

cobalt gyro
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415 etc

zenith gust
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btw does the sim assume you are in the new raid? because boots sim crazy

rigid mango
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ah

opal meadow
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385 are better than actual boots

civic palm
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tes

cobalt gyro
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LMAO

opal meadow
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500 dps

cobalt gyro
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ok

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so

opal meadow
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from 385 boots 🤔

cobalt gyro
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there's ur answer

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my dudes

harsh sphinx
rigid mango
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It's fucking ballistic

cobalt gyro
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385 socket > 410

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fucking LUL

civic palm
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Last I checked Akana's bonus works, and is about 1 - 1.5% DPS.

rigid mango
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It's only 25 ilvls

opal meadow
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anyone who plays poe should know crit multi is king

dense blaze
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It can only get better as you upgrade it, that’s the nuts piece

civic palm
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over similar level boots.

rigid mango
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I think it might be equal to 455 in that case

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Or like

opal minnow
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how do they compare to cos boots?

rigid mango
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Blast them out of the fucking water.

opal minnow
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without worrying about stacks

rigid mango
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Those boots, are just nuts.

opal minnow
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gg

dense blaze
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You just do more damage for wearing it, not having to pay attention to anything

cobalt gyro
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o

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here's one where deeper was > vigor

rigid mango
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2 item sets here we go again

cobalt gyro
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only 2?

rigid mango
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one for raid one for m+, again.

cobalt gyro
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rookie numbers

white basalt
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i feel like simming deeper stratagem is like opening a rabbit hole

rigid mango
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For sin atleast, probs

cobalt gyro
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i mean, when you literally cannot spend energy fast enough

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deeper becomes a thing

rigid mango
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I had like 4 a couple of weeks ago until they all got shafted thanks to essences

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and I got rid of them all

white basalt
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i feel its important to also consider the muscle memory we all havingi using one build vs swapping to a build we have never played but sims a tad higher on some fights

rigid mango
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hm?

arctic walrus
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@opal meadow you upgraded the wrong gloves?

cobalt gyro
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i mean deeper doesn't change anythin

rigid mango
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Only changes what CP u finish at

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which is still fine

white basalt
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true...i guess

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i guess vigor vs deeper strat might depend on boss uptime? if we have some forced downtime, deeper would get the advantage, right?

unreal perch
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so weird question, is there any reason I'd be regening energy slower in 8.2?

rigid mango
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Why would boss downtime matter?

thorny jasper
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hey sorry if this is pinned somewhere, what pots are we using

white basalt
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Doesnt having vigor make it easier to stop from capping energy? Cause your pool is bigger.

cobalt gyro
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it smoothens out the rotation when you have low amounts of haste.

dense blaze
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You also regen 10% slower

cobalt gyro
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because you have a bigger pool to spend from.

rigid mango
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That is such small amount though

cobalt gyro
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your base regen is 10

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it's +1 energy a second

rigid mango
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That would matter very little, is what I mean

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Downtime.

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Vigor feels awesome to play with

unreal perch
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regen 10% slower?

dense blaze
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10% slower than if you had vigor

unreal perch
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oh!

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I was really confused and thought you meant with vigor

white basalt
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wait so are we actually considering deeper strat a viable option? cuz that would be kind of fun

cobalt gyro
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we don't consider it an option, we sim it, and if it's better, we run it

rigid mango
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^

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With increasing amounts of haste and also and more importantly so, lucid

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vigor loses value bit by bit

faint harness
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LOOOOOOSE-id

cobalt gyro
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now an argument could be made that if you personally don't like the playstyle of a certain talent, and it sims within error margin

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fuck it, run what you want

rigid mango
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^

faint harness
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just like im not running the guardian of azeroth essence smileyface

cobalt gyro
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it sims within error margin (of a canyon" - push, probably

unreal perch
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no, you must run guardian. no choice

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it's the law

rigid mango
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Guardian at r3 or swap spec

undone pasture
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I’ll just pick the highest simmed talent and play it wrong and do less than the talent i wanted anyway

rigid mango
faint harness
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saraziy just described 90% of wow players

cobalt gyro
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like deeper was simming better for me (on outlaw) this tier, but it was close

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and deeper is puke

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so i didn't run it

faint harness
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can you imagine a full raid of those elementals

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are we all fucking warlocks now

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let me play rogue, not a summoner

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thanks

cobalt gyro
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"hold ur eles boys we need to burst the add phase"

faint harness
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RELEASE THE ELES

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it might be fun if you name ur elemental

undone pasture
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potato crashes

faint harness
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popping bob or something

white basalt
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lol

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thx for the inputs guys

faint harness
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Vigor monkaHmm

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didnt you get an answer

meager nebula
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inb4 only 1 ele can be out at a time

faint harness
cobalt gyro
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Inb4 there's a bug and they're all assigned to yue first guy to use it

rigid mango
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inb4 summoning enough eles

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insta crashes game

faint harness
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i mean the dragonball m+ beam on 14 players too

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if theres like some aoe thing

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meant to crash computers

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did blizzard recently partner with nvidia or something

icy ember
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!essrank

prisma monolithBOT
icy ember
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so if i was going to use lucid dreams major and worldvein essence minor, that would be appropriate for ST?

rigid mango
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High ranking flame/blood w lucid minor is better

icy ember
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is "high" ranked 2? 4Head

rigid mango
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Sim it

tacit plinth
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Why isn't that reflected on the essence chart?

icy ember
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well if you click the link above there you can see what im looking at

rigid mango
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Ok so lucid major is meh

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The minor though, that's gold

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The major staple in that ranking, has the minor included

mighty elm
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i mean currently lucid major is best no?

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for st

unreal perch
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is lucid major meh? the chart is very confusing...

rigid mango
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There are better majors than the lucid major, since all you really want from it is the minor

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It's not, it's got the minor included in it

unreal perch
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if lucid is meh it's confusing*

rigid mango
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The major itself is worse than others

mighty elm
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i mean, if you sim the minor with a different major it sims less

unreal perch
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oh so when it says major it's mixing the major and minor on the chart?

icy ember
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well the "minor" represents less than "half" the bar

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so im confused

mighty elm
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idk, pretty sure lucid major is bis for ST

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going off personal sims

stable plinth
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r3 blood sims higher as major

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with lucid minor for me

rigid mango
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yeah

stable plinth
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does for quite a few others as well

icy ember
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how much better?

rigid mango
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Look at the diff

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In the staples

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Look at blood for example, how big of a diff ther is

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between major and minor

unreal perch
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how do you sim the essences btw?

rigid mango
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Raidbots

icy ember
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w/raidbots

stable plinth
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1k more having blood as major than lucid for me

rigid mango
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@mighty elm I know it's not

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If you have r3 blood it should sim higher

mighty elm
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going off my personal sim as i said

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then it is

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rank 2 everything

rigid mango
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r3 flames should also sim higher

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for that matter

unreal perch
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I meant like where do you go in raidbots to sim the essences

mighty elm
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aint no one sittin on r3 flames

rigid mango
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but that wont be achievable for mortals like us until nextweek/beyond that

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There are people that are 60 already

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4 of them though

icy ember
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ye they crazy OMEGALUL

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im 56ap

white basalt
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anyone else been getting stuck in combat a lot more since 8.2 hit? even without followers

rigid mango
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Blood stacks probs

icy ember
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and thats doing everything that i could do

rigid mango
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not enough islands

icy ember
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meh i dont spam islands

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they are toxic

rigid mango
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I know the dude who has highest for rogue

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he's done uhh

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over 1.2k islands since 8.2 launched

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And he's 59 atm

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iirc

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Ok he's not done any islands today, but he was highest, seems like method dudes are catching up.

white basalt
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one thousand two hundred fucking islands?

rigid mango
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Yessir.

unreal perch
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ya I have no idea how to change essences on raidbots lol

white basalt
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is he okay?

rigid mango
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@daring olive how's your brain doing after that many essences mate? peophammer

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We'll see in the morning I suppose 😄

icy ember
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you can literally just click over to the new essence on raidbots, scroll down if you dont see anything

rigid mango
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The thing with essences

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Lucid major is the best before getting high ranking other ones

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Then it gets outsimmed

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r3 blood/flame + lucid minor will be the go to until we get r3 life

icy ember
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well i'm glad flame is included in that

rigid mango
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Unless it gets outscaled, we not may swap it out

icy ember
#

cuz i haven't been farming blood

unreal perch
#

oh, I'm dumb. ya I found it thanks

shy kestrel
#

it’s honestly really ez if you have a 5 stack of good players

unreal perch
#

wasn't sure if there was a way to sim essences you don't have yet

rigid mango
#

Yeah, honor aint hard to come by if you're dedicated

shy kestrel
#

just analyze any losses you have, you’ll get it real fast

rigid mango
#

You get 6k a week from just doing the basic shit

unreal perch
#

honour just takes time/effort

rigid mango
#

Rest is down to effectivly grinding

fleet whale
#

honor is easy to get as alliance tbh

#

we always get the honor buff

rigid mango
#

Honestly, you can do the same thing over and over again

icy ember
#

well i'll get it off the basic shit i complete then, over time

rigid mango
#

And you'll have sucess

unreal perch
#

I'm just stuck on the pvp island adventure

shy kestrel
#

just pve the pvp island. use consumables and you’ll win

unreal perch
#

ya I just gotta find a group

#

running as much EB as you can advised in islands?

rigid mango
#

Aye

unreal perch
#

should probably try and get some more EB

#

unfortunate only one benthic has it on

shy kestrel
#

tbh just try and get a tank in your group and you’ll be a lot better off, to the point where min maxing doesn’t matter

unreal perch
#

gotcha

shy kestrel
#

i ran with a prot pally bud and we wiped them once, and won by 9k or something, despite me having unspecced azerite as outlaw

unreal perch
#

next part of the quest is making friends that like to tank lol

#

it's amazing how few of my friends like to tank

#

with an even smaller amount that'd be interested in doing pvp islands

coral sparrow
#

Hi, i just got a question about my rota, please. I've lost some haste for more mastery according to raid.bot but now it seems harder to keep my talent elaborate planning in my rota

shy kestrel
#

if you’re looking at patches type fights, did you compare your EP uptime with your sim?

coral sparrow
#

Should I make a rota of 2 envenom with elaborate then wait my energy up

#

yes patch, how u want to compare it with sim?

shy kestrel
#

if you look at the detailed output, you can compare the uptime of elaborate planning on your sim to yours. that’ll loosely tell you if you’re playing it right

coral sparrow
#

I mean, i just swap from 25% haste to 15% haste for more mastery so basycally i lost some of

deft nymph
#

yiss guildy gave me a socketed lurker trinket

coral sparrow
#

I'm gonna check it

unreal perch
#

grats

coral sparrow
unreal perch
#

so, when in particular is master assassin generally a dps increase?

vapid scarab
#

when you don't have SS traits

unreal perch
#

gotcha

#

like absolutely 0?

coral sparrow
#

According to raidbot it says 76% but I need advice if you have to optimize my EP with such low haste now. Before 8.2 I was always so high that I never get any issue with EP

rigid mango
#

There are niche situations where you can have an SS trait and still MA will be better

#

but the general rule is SS = sub, no ss = MA

unreal perch
#

alright thanks

#

simmed it anyways but was just curious the situations

rigid mango
#

SS is better for cleave, MA for patchwerk-y fights

white basalt
#

so are we farming M+ for spyglass or what

rigid mango
#

Spyglass, dice, plumage

#

Yeah

white basalt
#

I guess we willl have to se how that punchcard plays outl. I dont wanna use 2 on use trinkets.

#

I wonder how long my 420 lurkers will last me

#

you think mechagon trinket will continue to not share a 30 sec CD with other on use trinekts?

vapid scarab
#

it's not a bug

#

if that's what you're asking

white basalt
#

that seeems op? i could see a nerf but idk

rigid mango
#

It's counted as a gem not a trink

#

That's why.

#

The way to nerf it is to nerf the dmg, not the 30 sec

muted cove
#

Will Lurkers still be BiS in this patch?

#

Even if you have a normal one

unreal perch
#

lurkers is still very very good yes

rigid mango
#

I think there's a very easy solution to that problem

arctic walrus
#

So should I still upgrade boots first

lone junco
#

Did to get a socket?

arctic walrus
#

I have both items at my disposal, with sockets

urban junco
#

Interesting. What would you time the cyclontric blast with? just after your initial burst with vendetta and your other trinket? @arctic walrus

arctic walrus
#

Gar mut rup cyclo vend van tb etc

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Unless you have a plume, it's not modified by any other cooldown so use on cd

dense blaze
#

What do we think about stacking the blast with vendetta to get damage inside the GCD

arctic walrus
#

Vendetta doesn't increase blast damage

dense blaze
#

Not what I'm saying

arctic walrus
#

Casting it would simply make you waste a gcd inside

white basalt
#

still using a 380 spyglass, rip

urban junco
#

Hm.

somber hill
#

what minor should we be going for?

civic palm
#

Lucid

brittle ocean
#

anything good from the mechagon pvp chest for us?

somber hill
#

and major?

lone junco
#

Check herodamage for the lists or the guide or the pins.

shy kestrel
#

@civic palm you didn’t wave back at me bro

civic palm
#

Was in messages.

#

@shy kestrel

sacred hatch
#

!essences

prisma monolithBOT
nimble tartan
#

Anyone else bg all day and still only at 33k 😍👌

rotund pier
#

did the apl on the punchcards change? Yesteday it simmerdabour 600 less, today about 1k ahead (lurker's/harlans vs lurker's/punchcard)

arctic walrus
#

It sims correctly now

rotund pier
#

sweet

ornate meteor
#

!azerite

prisma monolithBOT
rotund pier
#

also, i feel like the 2.5 second channel time is sweet because it's doing damage as we are pooling

arctic walrus
#

You can cast during the channel

rotund pier
#

oh u can! nice

arctic walrus
#

just not the charge up

meager nebula
#

you can attack/move during the channel

#

the on use has no restrictions

icy ember
#

so we want to use it outside of vendetta, right?

rotund pier
#

where in the opener should we use?

icy ember
#

the blast

arctic walrus
#

After MA window but before vendetta

#

Because why pop vendetta when you're gonna cast for like 1.5s

rotund pier
#

where are people popping lurkers in opener too?

vapid scarab
#

macro it to vendetta

rotund pier
#

k

#

so gar/mut/rup/punchcard/vend+lurkers/van/tb/mut/env/mut/mut/env?

arctic walrus
#

Ye

rotund pier
#

cool

opaque tree
#

So the punchcard is pretty good. Everyone was saying it was terrible a couple days ago. Was it just simming incorrectly?

vapid scarab
#

punchcard is terrible unless you have the revered red card

opaque tree
#

What does the revered red card do if you don’t mind me asking?

rotund pier
#

scroll up, you can see it on my sim

vapid scarab
#

125k dmg on a 2min CD

#

turns out that's pretty good

opaque tree
#

Damn.

rotund pier
#

does it crit, like if we used it during ma window

vapid scarab
#

it can't crit, but even if it could MA only affects rogue abilities

cobalt gyro
#

MA isn't real crit

#

It's just "+50% crit to some abilities"

arctic walrus
#

If I enable the "in zuldazar" will it turn off benthic effects

vapid scarab
#

run 2 sims and find out

ornate meteor
#

anyway to obtain 410++ yellow punchcard other than begging for warforged/titan?

vapid scarab
#

dungeon on reset

rotund pier
#

I wouldnt waste Galvanic Oscilators making cards until you have rank 2 of Purification Protocol first imo

nocturne gate
#

can they procc if i craft them ?

rotund pier
#

yea

nocturne gate
#

till ?

rotund pier
#

i have a 424 ivl mastery/haste yellow card

nocturne gate
#

ok nice

undone pasture
#

Is purification protocol decent?

rotund pier
#

but u only get like 1 galvanic a day

nocturne gate
#

i have a few in bag^^

tacit plinth
#

if you hate yourself you can farm chests for days straight

#

and get a couple extra

nocturne gate
#

well i do !

rotund pier
#

^

#

10 for the essence

upper meteor
#

dumb question but any idea why sims show my agi stat prio pretty much at the bottom, yet when i sim top gear and select the options for agi gem/ stat food it always chooses it?

arctic walrus
#

50 vs 120 stat

cobalt gyro
#

Because the weight of agility is low, but agi stat gem gives a lot more than a secondary stat gem

upper meteor
#

got it cheers

nimble tartan
#

dam my best stat is almost versatility 👁

#

sin is WILD

muted cove
hidden plinth
#

when do you use your bote? in the opener and generally

muted cove
#

should I be running BBI even if it sims lower than the azerite traits i have right now? Ive been told that its generally a good trait to use

nimble tartan
#

i use it after vend before i vanish

plucky stream
#

Anyone know how good Alch Trink is?

arctic walrus
#

It's ok but there's a lot of better options

nimble tartan
#

use whatever sims higher cursed bbi gets better the more gear u have

hidden plinth
#

but you synch it everytime with vendetta and vanish?

onyx rock
#

Look at the pinned stuff

arctic walrus
#

mastery = vers FeelsWeird

nimble tartan
#

yeah im about there but i sim like 1k less than u pepehnads

#

all those vers gems 👀

#

we live in a society

arctic walrus
#

Once I get enough pearls to upgrade wrists I'll be over 37k peepohappy

nimble tartan
#

bro wheres the abberation belt!!!

arctic walrus
#

Chillin in my bags

lime temple
#

When is the best time to use lucid dreams major atm?

rocky ruin
#

Do we need to do a +10 or +15 for this week to get cap?

fierce yew
#

Gear caps at +10

#

Residum / Azerite at 15 I belive

desert pelican
#

Anyway u get old azerite cap, and this is nothing for new azerites. If u not going for world 10~

rocky ruin
#

But its the Residum going up if im doing my 18 Key for this week so getting enough Residum for buying something nice

magic plover
#

I've heard the prices of new items would sky rocket

#

In terms of residium

rocky ruin
#

On wowhead there is article

dark crag
#

Next week the chest should contain the new values of tr, pieces cost around 47k

rocky ruin
#

Its like a +15 gives 21k Residum stated in the article

#

But blizzdick doesnt say anything about it atm so

fierce yew
#

As with every week though, try to do as high as possible, if nothing else you get to start out the season with a high key

nimble tartan
#

does the cirt potion still pull us out of stealth?

hollow pendant
#

What spec is most viable for pvp both world and arena?

vapid scarab
ornate meteor
#

Suddenly i switched to MA playstyle from subterfuge and my derp brain cant do the opener correctly, feelsbad

tropic ocean
#

Wat

#

Residium doesnt cap 🤔

lusty narwhal
#

16.4% haste feelsbadman

royal lantern
#

didnt raid for over 1month now, and oh my god, going back from subterfuge too MA was such a pain at the start again

#

lets fuck up the opener on the first 4 bosses!

spice cloak
#

subterfuge feels way better to play

#

only simming 100 dps differnce for me as well

wheat seal
#

hey guys, do you play assa in 8.2 or assa for raid etc. and outlaw for m+?

tropic ocean
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
#

nah, i was just peophammer

#

vendetta->tb and then not using vanish cus im a really smart man and stuff

#

''oh shit, vanish is still up''

distant lava
#

subt is not the best feel tbh

#

you have never env mut env

#

in tb and ma window

#

best feeling in the world, giga blast

ornate meteor
#

Do you vendeta toxic then vanish or vendeta vanish toxic using ma

distant lava
#

both work

#

first one is more rng

cosmic pier
#

ven>vanish>tb>mut>env is more consistent for opener

#

using vanish for env>mut>env is a gamble

#

but when it hits

#

o lordy

distant lava
#

if you want FAT numbers you vendetta > mut > tb > vanish > env >mut >env (not always possible)

royal lantern
#

tb>vanish>mut>env>mut is musclememory for me at this point, so i just use it

cosmic pier
#

wut

ornate meteor
#

I see

distant lava
#

mix of both wesmart

cosmic pier
#

that likes the worst of both worlds

royal lantern
#

i mean, ofc with 4cp and vendetta up lol

ornate meteor
#

What about when 2nd vendeta and vanish up, do i pre refresh the bleed before doing the burst?

#

And use the same rotation as the opener right? Vendeta tb vanish mut env mut env

royal lantern
#

@cosmic pier @distant lava vend>tb>vanish>env>mut>env i mean xD

#

im a slightly tard today

cosmic pier
#

lmao i was like

#

uhhhhh

royal lantern
#

yeha, just read it again

#

need my coffe

distant lava
#

how do you have

#

4 cp before vend

cosmic pier
#

peophammer its ok

distant lava
#

imo that's a mistake

#

I'd rather cast the mut

#

after vend

#

than before

royal lantern
#

weeeeeell

cosmic pier
#

pepegas unite

royal lantern
#

gar>mut>rup>mut too 3-4>vend>tb>vanish-------the rest---- is what i always do

#

@distant lava

cosmic pier
#

I hope i dont have to drop lucid major, I love just casting for the whole vendetta window

royal lantern
#

eh, lucid major sims not that great for me

#

but lucid minor is cool too

nocturne gate
#

is it recommend to use ds with lucid even in st ? i ask bc it sims by quite a bit higher than

#

vigor

royal lantern
#

inc: people tell me that im doing a really wrong opener for almost 1 year in the expac now

tall narwhal
#

How is assa looking in m+guys?

nocturne gate
#

together with

#

worldvein mnior

royal lantern
#

same it did in s2, great, maybe a bit better

tall narwhal
#

Oh

#

Good to hear

royal lantern
#

but needs gear too work

cosmic pier
#

assa and outlaw still look pretty good

#

focusing iris looks nuts

distant mist
distant lava
#

@royal lantern I mean for me the mut cast after rupture

#

should be done after the vendetta

#

just for the bonus dmg

#

it's a small loss tho 🤷

faint harness
#

People still have this idea that mutilate is a tiny bit of dmg that isnt worthy of being boosted by vendetta

#

If you run multiple DD traits, it does quite a bit of dmg

distant lava
#

even if you don't tbh

#

except with BL you'll likely be out of energy by the end of vend

#

so it's not like you will cast this mut in the end of the window

#

plus using vend one gcd earlier means you get it back one gcd earlier

willow sundial
#

Is Worldvein Resonance minor, a sim bait since you need other people?

untold current
#

Is there a target cap on blood?

royal lantern
#

worldvein is a bit weird i gues

willow sundial
#

Yeah, so I guess crucible of flame minor, is the go to for now

royal lantern
#

eh, lucid minor if you have a good major

tame cobalt
#

im using blood 3 major and flame 2 minor as it sims better than lucid 2

royal lantern
#

for me with blood 3 major lucid 2 sims better as minor 🤷

untold current
#

Blood 2, lucid 2 for me

royal lantern
#

and im not low on haste or something

#

22% with no buff/food

untold current
#

i feel like blood 3 is just a dream

#

farming bgs is garbo

bright timber
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
tiny thunder
#

Hi stat for assas please 😄

worldly iron
tiny thunder
#

Oh ty 😄

#

!essences

prisma monolithBOT
tiny thunder
#

humm i use Memory of Lucid Dreams with vendetta it's good or not ?

tame cobalt
#

if you read the pins you can see

solemn meadow
#

^

scarlet sequoia
#

any opener rotation stuff out for when its best to use the punchcard trinket?

rigid mango
#

before/after rupture with MA

#

After stealth w sub

scarlet sequoia
#

i always play subterfuge so its just garrote rupture garrote trinket?

rigid mango
#

Yep

scarlet sequoia
#

👍

rigid mango
#

BEfore any other major cd

uneven summit
#

do we have an overview of the new weapon enchants?

rigid mango
#

Sim it, but force + best stat one

bright smelt
#

it should be worth it upgrading the benthic belt that gives more dmg to abberations no?

#

for raid

distant lava
#

does it have a socket ?

#

also pins

bright smelt
#

oh missed the bottom part of 1 pin GWsetmyxPeepoCry

#

but yeah it's bout as I figured

rigid mango
#

Upgrading w out socket isn't really worth it tbh

regal coral
#

Hello guys! Do you think Assassination will be the new To Go accordingly to the new affix?

distant lava
#

🔮

regal coral
#

yeah i know its speculation

distant lava
#

no way to know yet

regal coral
#

thats why I said "think" 😛

near blade
#

Hey learning sin as an alt. Was wondering what benthic pieces are worth upgrading if at all. Primarily for M+ if that matters

hollow ivy
#

benthic piece effects dont work in m+ except mechagon

rigid mango
#

Doesn't work in mecha either

#

If you want for their actual uses, they're in the pins

hollow ivy
#

o mb

rigid mango
#

If you just want for m+, any socketed piece w good stats is good

strange python
#

!essences

prisma monolithBOT
modest tendon
#

I'm starting to see people use master stratagem over vigor in m+ what is the reason for this?

rigid mango
#

With lucid, your energy regen is good enough to the point where you can use deeper instead of vigor

#

Also, you can/normally run 2/3 ttk's with that build, resulting in fat envenom pumping

modest tendon
#

this synergy is sick

untold current
#

what the rotational difference in MA if using punchcard?

rigid mango
#

Just when in the opener you use it

#

You use it before/after rupture

spice surge
#

@untold current Nothing, MA doesnt affect trinkets or essences

rigid mango
#

There's a diff tho

#

when u use it in opener

#

if u havn't macrod it

spice surge
#

Also, punchcard cant crit

untold current
#

ah so garotte mut rupture, punchcard, vendetta?

rigid mango
#

Yep

untold current
#

and for SS?

rigid mango
#

After sub end

#

ends*

#

So g rup g cyclonic

untold current
#

got it

dusky tinsel
#

can you macro it with another trinket or is the active gem also on the GCD? haven't tried mine out yet

rigid mango
#

I don't have it so can't comment on macroing it, I believe it's macroable though

faint harness
#

you can macro it with other trinkets

lusty narwhal
#

tfw simmingg and best gear has put me down to 13% haste down from 18

#

big chunk

rigid mango
#

If you have lucid major

#

it'll do that

lusty narwhal
#

yeah for sure

strange python
#

the cyclone trinket has been hotfixed

#

silently

#

btw

#

it has longer initial channel time where u cant cast anything else

proper cove
#

does ranking up essences increase the minor trait as well?

spice surge
#

Pretty sure it had that before, its just that it scales with haste

rigid mango
#

Yes

strange python
#

from yesterday

#

it didn't have any

spice surge
#

It did yesterday when i used it

#

🤷

strange python
#

well for me there was no cast time

#

🤷

#

weird stuff

lone junco
#

@lusty narwhal fun part will be keeping all kinds of gear now to swap in and out of traits.

#

Literally keeping one of everything.

lusty narwhal
#

yeah my banks stocked full of shit

arctic walrus
#

Anyone else running deeper strat for ST yet

rigid mango
#

I've seen some sims doing it

arctic walrus
#

My difference is negligible but I made the switch anyway to get a feel for it

inner citrus
#

ahh i vigor feels way smoother thou. i hope vigor stays on top while DS is like 0.0005% behind

arctic walrus
#

I've only had time to try on a dummy but from what I saw, you're rarely low on energy due to lucid, and gemming crit gives you a lot of env uptime

rocky ruin
#

does anyone know why trick of trades doesnt anymore?

#

i pulled it out from the spellbook and it say nope bro

ornate meteor
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
red plaza
#

might be casting it on someone with the blue punchcard that blocks tricks

arctic walrus
#

Would anyone mind linking a random quick sim of theirs

nocturne gate
rocky ruin
#

wait what

#

the blue card blocks trick?

ripe bramble
#

One of them does, not all

crisp steppe
#

yes nyx

#

well one of them 😃

red plaza
rocky ruin
#

the one from the trader?

sour wasp
#

the benthic boots extra crit dmg is 3% right?

solid nova
#

2

rocky ruin
#

and did they change kings rest %?

rigid mango
#

Yeah

glacial crypt
#

.

rigid mango
#

I agree

glacial crypt
#

I'm unsure why they made neural silencer a blue punchcard. It's already banned in my guild's raids because of it blocking tricks. Huge pain in the ass

#

For instance I would almost always get first hit by Kimble during conclave mythic fights because I would switch to that boss after trying to use tricks on the tank who takes it, only to get docked to half HP because of neural silencer

woeful prawn
#

What major/minor are people planning on using come heroic week?
I've been using BotE/Lucid but according to my sims Worldvein/Lucid or even Lucid/BotE will perform better.

glacial crypt
#

Bote

rigid mango
#

BoTE/flames M + lucid m

#

Probably

#

If the others sim a bit higher, you can go for them too

solemn meadow
rigid mango
#

Worldvein is assuming you have other people using it too

solemn meadow
#

is world vein simming with 4 ppl?

#

oh

woeful prawn
#

Yeah lots of my guildies are high on worldvein atm

arctic walrus
#

Damn yeah

#

is this 3 people?

cobalt pelican
#

12 yards doesn't seem very big but i've not used it

#

would mean you'd need 3 melee though probably right

woeful prawn
#

My BotE is only rank 2 =|

nocturne gate
#

its 8y

#

its pretty just melee range

#

on patchwork bosses^^

solemn meadow
#

so with r3

#

its 50% larger or smth?

#

so 12y

#

r3 is ez with mythic release anyway

cobalt pelican
#

the tooltip says 12 on rank 2 for me but eh

#

not a clue

#

seems like something that's way more sim friendly than the actual game

solemn meadow
woeful prawn
#

Yeah im not keen on worldvein. Feel it has too many limiting factors. Also primary stat is zzz

solemn meadow
#

look at the raid essences

#

spawn a pet that does dmg for u

copper sinew
#

!Essences

prisma monolithBOT
solemn meadow
#

thats resident sleeper

kindred cedar
#

What major and minor is the to go atm?

distant lava
#

2 messages up dawg

ornate herald
#

depends on rank, sim yourself tbh

#

im going with rank 3 blood of the enemy/lucid

vestal carbon
#

What are the top 3 benthics to try and roll for?

rigid mango
untold current
#

This rank 3 is a grind tho

sick cradle
#

what's people's thoughts about benthic gear for assa? Any pieces in particular to keep my eyes on

latent tendon
#

Pins say blood is only good aoe

rigid mango
#

not true

#

@sick cradle dunno if ur trolling

sick cradle
#

I would never

kindred cedar
#

Is it worth buying benthic gear for 5 pearls to hope for sockets?

latent tendon
#

@sick cradle pins

kindred cedar
#

or save pearls and get from WQ etc?

cobalt gyro
latent tendon
#

I wonder if vision would be any good for us

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Paired with blood.major

rigid mango
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no

cobalt gyro
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Not particularly, the minor is awful

latent tendon
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Hmm. And I guess it desyncs vendetta and vanish

rigid mango
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Yes

arctic walrus
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90% of the messages here are just:What essences are we using? What benthic gear is bis? Vision is Pog???

rigid mango
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Welcome to spec channels during new patch

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Making pins doesn't help because people don't read them so sorta un-counterable

distant lava
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they don't even read any messages

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I mean if it was only messages that you could see while scrolling up I'd understand but cmon

untold current
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I think its probably alot of players dont actually know about the pin function. Not that they dont want to read them

dapper ibex
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That's the case on all DIscord channels. The pin system just isn't very good. It doesn't put the information in front it's more like a back page ad.

hearty junco
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The dk discord has a better system than pins

dapper ibex
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Do they just put it in the default channel?

hearty junco
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Its more clear

dapper ibex
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That'd be much clearer

hearty junco
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They have faqs

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Instead of pins

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So the faqs are constantly updated

arctic walrus
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Pretty much all the discords have this except rogue lol

strange python
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that would be bis

inner tree
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2Head discord

rigid mango
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diff is we have pins and a website that's super simple to navigate, just craves that the average person activates brain

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Anyways not a discussion for this channel GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

native fable
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
distant lava
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I mean it's pretty clear to me but yeah zine is right

shy axle
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well it could be worse and be the mage discord

arctic walrus
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Haven't been paying attention much but what's usually average env uptime

crisp steppe
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the mage discord is the way it is because for some reason they really prefer using forums

rigid mango
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Please, stop this conversation.

timber meadow
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do rated battlegrounds count towards battlefield tactition?

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or just normal BGs

muted cove
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If your using deeper stratagem would you use lucid dreams as the minor still?

rigid mango
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Only normal @timber meadow afaik

timber meadow
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wait really?

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fuck

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i was doing rated BGs yesterday and gaining a lot of honor

rigid mango
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Seen it been mentioned so

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Check the achi

timber meadow
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but maybe that was just from the kills?

rigid mango
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You can track it

arctic walrus
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@muted cove just sim it. I'm running DS and lucid major better for me

timber meadow
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@rigid mango you mean just looking at achievement progress yeah?

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or is there a more detailed way to track specifically where my honor gains came from

rigid mango
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aue

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Aye*

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Just the achi

timber meadow
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yeah i started at 15k yesterday and ended at 30

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and was running almost exclusively rated

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ill do it for science today though and just look at my exact progress before entering the rgb and look at it after

crystal vault
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15k a day? holy

arctic walrus
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What's the typical azerite set up in a m+? x3 SS/EB?

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Or do you take TTK/SoB too

rigid mango
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ttk but not sob

spice surge
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Atleast 1ss, then a mix of ss/eb/ttk depending on what you have or want

rigid mango
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en peophammer

spice surge
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Hello i am phone

rigid mango
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Hi phone, I'm dad

scenic nacelle
small vault
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Is worldvein resonance worth having the raid use? Compared to lucid/flame for example when you hit 55 neck

spice surge
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The major no

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Minor is good though

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If multiple people have it

small vault
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Is there a particular number where it overtakes the other minor? Sorry if it's common knowledge. Couldn't find it through pins or random resources I've looked through. May have overlooked it

scarlet sequoia
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😄

rigid mango
fringe epoch
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which profession is prio, LW or engi?

strange python
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If you are doing any kind of M+ Engy on a rogue can be priceless

candid jasper
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Are people going for force multiplier x2 now instead of crit nav and haste nav?

dire spoke
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I don't think that's going to happen because all enchants dick each other if used twice

arctic walrus
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You never wanna x2 weapon enchants

dire spoke
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iirc

arctic walrus
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Does this look like a normal setup in m+?

fathom wyvern
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any set list of bis gear fro benthic etc out yet?

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but is it worth to gamble already with the pearls?

modest vector
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So i'm kind of new to Assassination, I was reading that Haste is our priority secondary stat, but it seems everyone is gearing towards crit and vers. Is this because they hit the haste cap?

fathom wyvern
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@modest vector sim it... its basiclly the basic answer youll get here

modest vector
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@fathom wyvern mk thanks

arctic walrus
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Essences and new items have pushed people's priority away from haste

fathom wyvern
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does the sim when simming benthic armor take in count that we are in the new raid?

spice surge
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Yes

fringe epoch
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if u tick that option yes

autumn slate
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When am I supposed to click the punchcard trinket in the opener?

vestal wren
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so what simc settings do we want for a prio rotation sim?

opal viper
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i would say when ur low on energy

spice surge
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Before vendetta @autumn slate

autumn slate
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Why is that

spice surge
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And after the cast (so while youre channeling) you can still use abilities

autumn slate
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I thought its buffed by vendetta

spice surge
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It is not

vestal wren
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can somone parse me the id from ttk?

faint harness
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finally rank 3 lucid kreygasm

dire spoke
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@vestal wren 273488

autumn slate
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Oke thanks @spice surge

spice surge
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ID for the spell or the ID for simc?

fathom wyvern
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is there any point of saving pearls atm or should we try gamble for gear already?

spice surge
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181 in the other case

vestal wren
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the azerite power id, so i can replace powers with ttk

spice surge
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There is no point saving no

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@vestal wren 181

arctic walrus
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You funnel gear from alts into your main, then use main's pearl to upgrade

fathom wyvern
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oh, and is it still only a 10 we need to do for a maxed weekly chest?

vestal wren
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thanks

spice surge
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Nothing will change with the pearls when the raid is released

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You will be able to upgrade it 5 (possibly 10, but afaik they removed that upgrade from the ptr) more ilvls, thats about it

vestal wren
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some ppl think they will nerf the gear

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given how powerfull the effects are

spice surge
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Well, you cant spend the pearl on anything else anyway 😄