assassination

[polar cape]

Pretty Sure lucid major assume you dont waste energie

[rigid mango]

Pretty sure what

[civic palm]

of course.

o _O

Well it plays GCD locked because it has the energy to do so, and shouldn't cap energy unless it gets unlucky with Lucic_Mi procs.

[lone junco]

unlucky with good e procs

[civic palm]

"good"

[lone junco]

thats backwards

please dont proc while im banging

[civic palm]

refunding Mut over and over again is energy thrown into the void, it doesn't matter at all, but feels bad.

[rigid mango]

Good with some, bad with too many

[civic palm]

It's wasted the same way the Legion Vendetta opener was "waste", you're GCD locked so it doesn't matter unless you can use the energy better elsewhere and don't lose a cast of it.

[rigid mango]

I'd be shocked if most don't take flame/blood as a major

and lucid as a minor

[civic palm]

Before raids that's probably the correct choice.

[rigid mango]

Aye and then it'll be like

a good while until we use life force anyways

Since you need r3 for it to be worth it

[civic palm]

Yeah need to level it > _>

[wild lily]

does deeper strat sim better than it has

[rigid mango]

I don't know the time frame of getting it

Deeper is better thanks to lucid

[lone junco]

Holy shit that's boring.

but good

[civic palm]

You get three per week so figure that out.

[lone junco]

Rank 3: Gain 2% Haste whenever the Guardian casts a spell, stacking up to 5 times

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[rigid mango]

^

10% haste during vendetta

sounds good to me

[civic palm]

We will have 5% haste by the end of the week 2.

[lone junco]

stack that with lucid minor

dps is just passive

thats the thing about high e.

doesnt feel like bigdick. but you just bang out the mutmut env. hits.

we had a lot more E with T21 than people expected.

it was a good problem to have.

[civic palm]

The good thing about this is that it's supplanting the haste we would HAVE to get to do good damage and letting us get more fun things instead.

[lone junco]

yeah.

[civic palm]

Namely, Crit and Mastery.

[lone junco]

yeah. will be nice to slide haste down crit up

[civic palm]

With some Vers. due to Lucid_Mi and gearing.

[lone junco]

cause that fat mutcrit rate is good

[civic palm]

Also makes us only have 1 armor set for Raids and M+.

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[civic palm]

+Traits but ye.

[rigid mango]

The hit haste is taking for us

this tier

[lone junco]

memberry the 75% crit rates on mut.

[rigid mango]

is quite the amount

[lone junco]

its weird to think about haste as raw E.

[wise shore]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[lone junco]

but it is what it is.

not even tick rates or attck speed, but natural E gain is huge

[civic palm]

Ye

and it's huge without maintenance requirements.

[lone junco]

will be good to see a fully geare sim HTML to see the E gain sources.

cause with all the procs, something will jump off the page.

Someone go back in time and delete my pally at 110. k thx

[civic palm]

hmmm

[rigid mango]

woT

[lone junco]

OP is haste proc right?

[rigid mango]

Yeah

That's absolutely nuTTy

[civic palm]

Ceph + 2 raid pieces > _>"

[rigid mango]

2 draid pieces?

raid*

aint goraks just gonna be better

[civic palm]

Can't remember what is on them.

[rigid mango]

dd np/bbi op

[civic palm]

Depends on how good TtK ends up being IMO.

[rigid mango]

I mean, will it ever outvalue a DD?

With lucid?

I don't feel like it will

[dusky tinsel]

with 3xDD + 'X' traits and lucid major/blood minor I'm at 12% haste now, feels weird not having to rely on it as much anymore

[civic palm]

forgot this gives haste > _>"

[lone junco]

was fun to play high crit in legion

[civic palm]

Could be simming so poorly due to the large haste on the current item set?

[dusky tinsel]

ran Seli's M+ set up with the same traits+strategem and it was definitely odd not using vigor, almost forgot how to play with 6 CPs

[rigid mango]

I don't think that trink looks that good anymore

after the nerf

Atleast not as good

[lone junco]

seeing him peak at 67% crit made me sad for my gear

[dusky tinsel]

only trinket that sims higher for me currently at 430 quality is Azshara's

[lone junco]

remembering that 100% mut crit cap on Argus with crit buff.

made for some fun crit strings

[dusky tinsel]

with the crit boots and high crit/mastery builds it should see some solid number gains

[civic palm]

I am also using the Mechagon rings for some extra Haste as well since I dropped all of it from the rest of the gear.

[dusky tinsel]

what % are you running Mizerok?

[civic palm]

The only source of haste is from the rings and maybe the weapons.

Will have to wait to see the SIM finish.

seems fine

[lone junco]

pretty sure my last sim was 23k.

[dusky tinsel]

think he's simming with mythic gear yeah?

[lone junco]

that was like october

[dusky tinsel]

because I'm 417 with my current set and doing 34.5k

[civic palm]

this haste is a little high still... somehow

and the crit is low o _O

[dusky tinsel]

what ilvl is that? values don't seem current

[civic palm]

so much FUCKING HASTE

[lone junco]

high crit leaning on Lucid minor. lol

[rigid mango]

nearly 17% seems high

[civic palm]

Max item level

[dusky tinsel]

ok that makes sense lmao

[lone junco]

445?

ugh. afk work

[dusky tinsel]

16% haste at max ilvl doesn't seem bad at all tbh, considering the value difference from current gear

[civic palm]

450 because he's a pig lucker.

I just need to change the rings.

[dusky tinsel]

hardly any of the azerite pieces look appealing, only 2 of the pieces are a slight upgrade at 430 for me, half tempted to save most of my bonus rolls for mythic the following week

[frigid jasper]

are there (currently) any viable PSCD setups that would warrant actually using it? or is it as much of a flop for sin as it is for outlaw?

[rigid mango]

There's 1 really good az piece from raid

[dusky tinsel]

what the DD+Twist?

[rigid mango]

If we want 3 dd, odds are we're back to zaq'uul helm + goraks + cepha for bis

nah, dd np op helm

from 7th

[dusky tinsel]

yeah, that's the one that was actually simming higher

for me at least

[rigid mango]

Aye

the shoulders could be better

[dusky tinsel]

think im just going to fish for gorak'tul's shoulders first at 445

[rigid mango]

but only if dd<ttk

[dusky tinsel]

can make the others work, but idk

[safe laurel]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[dusky tinsel]

almost feel like if you get shit luck early on you're forced to play a full SS build with how some of the early traits are looking

which is fine on some bosses but feelsbad on ST

[rigid mango]

even m+ wise, one good piece which is shoulders

rest are meh

[dusky tinsel]

real shame that this raid doesn't have any good EB+SS/Twist pieces you can get for M+

[rigid mango]

Has one ss/ttk piece

which is aight

[dusky tinsel]

oh true, guess I forgot about that

but even that's just ok

[rigid mango]

It's just gonna be RNG central

[dusky tinsel]

yeah

[rigid mango]

RNG chest first for me

[dusky tinsel]

thinking chest first is the move?

hmm

[rigid mango]

I mean for me it is

There's no good chest in the raid, there's one good shoulder piece for m+ and one good helm for ST

thus

[quasi pewter]

should be for everyone

[rigid mango]

The one piece that's the worst, is chest

[steady grotto]

are we still gonna be using agi pots?

[rigid mango]

So just 🙏 for cepha

[dusky tinsel]

yeah I personally just take into account the value of early mythic boss pieces you can farm and try and determine their value from that, obviously chest gives the most stats so its never a bad thing

[rigid mango]

Aye it's also my worst piece so

[civic palm]

dats better

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

yeees

lol

[rigid mango]

65% mastery yes please

[dusky tinsel]

probability of farming a piece in a pool of your preferences vs how many total there are of that slot is also the wheel you spin

[rigid mango]

I suppose

In the end for raid, we're all fishing for the same 2 pieces

And m+ wise, a bit of everything

And tehre's legit only 2 good m+ chests too

I cba.

[dusky tinsel]

on the Brightside there seem to be several bosses where SS traits will probably dominate so at least there's that

[rigid mango]

I mean there aren't even that many SS traits from raid either

Just a bunch of fucking scent

[dusky tinsel]

are there better SS+X trait or DD? Because there's that one DD+NP we talked about and I think that's it lol

[rigid mango]

First boss has DD TTK

helm

Which'll probs be first pick up

There's SS TTK shoulders

And DD TTK chest

Those'll be the best pieces

Before RNG'ing

[dusky tinsel]

the helm simmed as a downgrade for me, but then again id be replacing a DD+NP so guess it depends on the setup

would have to squeeze in a NP in there somwhere

[civic palm]

:3

[rigid mango]

If that's your only NP, yeah

It lacks an OP too.

[dusky tinsel]

I have several pieces with it, would have to shuffle it around though

[rigid mango]

Myeh

[celest swan]

hey seeing in the pins the benthic gloves iwht frost dmg arent lsited

[rigid mango]

wrists

Yes they are.

[celest swan]

jsut forgot them or are they any worse for us then for others classes?

nah gloves aswell

wait i link them

[rigid mango]

Gloves aren't as good iirc

afaik anyways

[celest swan]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=170334/poens-deepsea-grips

others class discord list them

[lone junco]

@civic palm 151k with 2ttk is nice.

[rigid mango]

Sim them

[cobalt pelican]

they're probably the best alternative if you don't benefit insanely from the crit passive

(besides the 2boss)

but like

[rigid mango]

the wrists

Are really good

[celest swan]

writs means
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=170305/oris-tidal-wristwraps

?

there ar elike 4 dmg procc wrists

[rigid mango]

The frost ones like it says

[scenic saffron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/65ckqE8R4tDTcnPrXsmUx1

Lucid major + blood minor sims the best for me. Interesting

[rigid mango]

Probably because blood aint rank 3

but idk

[scenic saffron]

yeah i used rank 2 in the sim, cba grinding to rank3

still i expected blood major+lucid minor

[cobalt pelican]

blood isn't particularly great st and the rank 2 perk of lowering the cd does nothing since you have to pair it with vendetta anyway

it's essentially a rank 2 essence vs a rank 1 essence

[scenic saffron]

true

[onyx rock]

Yeah but Rank 3 is giga

Will be best until we have raid essence for must of us

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, it's better than alternatives for now if you can get to 3

to be honest though it's kinda like.. weighing up the time investment for rank 3 blood vs spending that time to get flame 3

going for blood is a much more selfish approach for prog

unless you're bleeding edge

[quiet abyss]

what is mastery food ?

[cobalt pelican]

neither of them are going to be insane essences in the end but at least getting flame3 leaves a residual benefit for the rest of the tier (even if your parses will be negligibly lower on early weeks)

[hollow eagle]

yo people

[civic palm]

@lone junco Yeah but it requires like, 65% mastery and 200 sockets.

[hollow eagle]

for some reason I am leaving stealth when I pot [Potion of Focused Resolve]

[rigid mango]

Yes

[hollow eagle]

Are you having the same issue?

[rigid mango]

You get destealthed

[quiet abyss]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[hollow eagle]

Is that intended?

[rigid mango]

It's how it's working

Everything about that pot seems buggy

[distant mist]

Rip that pot

[rigid mango]

It's really bad

[distant mist]

Hopefully they fix it :x

I had all the luck yesterday got wrist belt both with sockets

Really don’t have mana pearls for this

[feral shuttle]

Which belthic gear is looking really nice for next tier? What are people re-rolling?

[clever ivy]

while speaking about breaking stealth (sure this got mentioned before but i missed it - sorry) .. is blood essence supposing to break stealth while generating stacks? why didnt they fix it? cant imagine this being a thing

[feral shuttle]

I mean the equip on the item ofc

[rigid mango]

[feral shuttle]

Thanks 😃

Looking now

[civic palm]

_>"

DD is also phat.

[fallen pelican]

are there links to any of the BIS benthic pieces anywhere?

[hollow stone]

P I N S

[civic palm]

[fallen pelican]

thx sorry recently swapped to rogue from ret pally not familiar with the disc layout

[civic palm]

👌

Dropping DS for Vigor loses 40k off the top of ENV O _O"

[rigid mango]

[plucky oak]

hmm does potion of focused resolve breaks stealth?

[rigid mango]

Yes.

There for it's garbage as a first pot, possibly a good 2nd pot though

[lone junco]

@civic palm is that crit multipler on the boots helping with that 6cp vs 5cp env?

[plucky oak]

and apl still use it on opener?

[civic palm]

@lofty prawn Not using them, using pure crit/mast items

running with boots now

[lone junco]

Rip Noob

[civic palm]

Ye well.

there are others to ping

made up 10k on the top end using Akanas and vigor

[lean coral]

over 200 pearls later

finally got the damn boots

[feral shuttle]

gz gz

[civic palm]

woo

[livid hull]

I spent 170 pearls fishing for socketed boots

[lean coral]

fucking hopped on all my alts to get the free 40 pearls

[livid hull]

no luck but I did get 5 socketed fall damage boots

[faint harness]

40?

[lean coral]

you get 20 from that one quest that asks you to upgrade benthic piece

dont do it

and 15? i think it was for doing 3 dailies with your follower

and those dailies give pearls

[faint harness]

Yea its a good strat

[lean coral]

boots today and yesterday from a wq as well

so did that shit on all my alts

[faint harness]

Only unfortunate thing is if you get em on first try and sit there with 7 bracers

[crystal pilot]

got socketed gloves but the wrong effect

feelsbadman

you can refund any you dont open

[faint harness]

I only have the feet so far

[crystal pilot]

so if you get it on the first try, sell the benthic tokens back to the vendor

[faint harness]

You cant refund them if you sent them on mail

[lean coral]

^

i just scrapped em

[crystal pilot]

ah, you're right

[faint harness]

True

[lean coral]

getting bunch of expulsom from my failure

[past roost]

Hello fellow assassin rogues! Anyone else having bother in battlegrounds with getting dropped out of stealth? Seems to be coming from creeping venom but I'm not sure

[crystal pilot]

so i got a socketed belt that has a chance to do aoe damage and increase threat

anyone know if its any good or i should keep rolling for the abbarations belt?

[lean coral]

i think the saddest thing about these boots is that its my only socketed piece

[civic palm]

oobby

[karmic galleon]

so I have 3 EB for M+ but cant do any SS now. is it worth sacrificing one or two for the SS or not

[lone junco]

@civic palm is it time to swap to MP yet with those big bangers?

@karmic galleon probably should run 1ss at least for the subterfuge open. if that means you run 2Eb then probably fine.

[vast forum]

quick reminder

what's better from benthic, belt or bracer? i got proper socketed boots and looking what to buy next 😄

[turbid zealot]

if i had to guess belt

[civic palm]

MP is just weapon poison you dolt.

But I doubt it.

[lone junco]

MP is not env hit?

[vast forum]

ahh

belt is for only 2 bosses

[rigid mango]

@vast forum depends what we get stuck on

[lone junco]

@civic palm pack that one away then. cause DP is garbo this expac.

[civic palm]

Yeah still running a SIM with it in case of something stupid.

It uhh... tied?

[rigid mango]

EP and MP tied?

please no

[lone junco]

I guess your env uptime slid up with the high E.

hit rate goes up a bit

[civic palm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Jeh5Ses61iCRyg73tABgJ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8s7ADUeQDZQvVBfTjWoNh4

130 dps

_>

[lone junco]

just for giggles can you run VR vs TB with MP/Ep

I messed with vr a while back and was hoping the DD hits from mut spam would help it.

[rigid mango]

Wait MP is better?

[civic palm]

hmmm

[rigid mango]

What the fuck has the world come to

[lone junco]

YEEEE

[rigid mango]

Is it just thanks to the obscene amount of mastery?

[lone junco]

185k

is that the 2ttk or 3ttk?

[rigid mango]

must be 3, right?

[lone junco]

big bangers lining up

[rigid mango]

if not, we're in for a hell of a ride

3 ttk tb window BOP

in an MA window with r3 blood

I can see it all

[lone junco]

telling you that Mech trinket + some proper stacking, gonna see big hits

pump it up to a 250k crit.

[rigid mango]

Pump them numbers boi

[lone junco]

Conversion of Bloodlust to mastery

[rigid mango]

^

holy moly

90% mastery 3ttk env's

[lone junco]

if you can get a high Mastery yellow card.

[civic palm]

It's already @ 66%

[rigid mango]

Aye but make all of the other stats into mastery too

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Yeah but you don't HAVE other stats.

[rigid mango]

FUCK CRIT WE DON'T NEED IT

MORE MASTERY

[lone junco]

dont need any other stats. you have MA.

and Vendetta.

[rigid mango]

^

[lone junco]

after the vanish you cancelaura the trinket

BITCH IM BACK

pewpewpew

[civic palm]

VR is 2k less

[lone junco]

k

[vast forum]

got belt with socket on 3rd try

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Abandon ship.

[rigid mango]

fu yoppa

[lone junco]

the vanish round will want TB

[vast forum]

bracers remaining

[civic palm]

Anyway, that's all of that I am doing today, ha.

[rigid mango]

Looks like I'm perma nr 2 rogue Ig

[lone junco]

I look forward to the chinese log, where someone gets power infusion from priest, + lust + double trinkets and spikes to 1m dps opener.

might be shadow priest that ramps hardest.

but gonna see some cheese.

[rigid mango]

btw the azshara trink

are we just charging it b4 pull?

[lone junco]

MA looks strong though cause you can dump to 0 crit then vanish back to 50%

idk

[restive smelt]

Sorry I have the dumb. Which card are you guys talking about which does the secondary stats conversion?

[lone junco]

its a red.

[rigid mango]

I know there is one

Don't know the name tho

[restive smelt]

Oh ok

[jolly fable]

anyone else bought like 30 boots and still dont have the right ones?

[strange python]

Red punch with Haste/Crit is BiS for raiding I think

[lone junco]

thats just a snip of a mastery/vers conversion

[rigid mango]

I'd like to argue that statement

[lone junco]

looks like you keep the 10% naked base crit

[rigid mango]

Haste seems v meh

[strange python]

No my haste dropped to 9% when Red procced

crit*

so it's not 10%

[faint harness]

Imagine playing with 0 haste tho

[lone junco]

thats just during trinket

[faint harness]

The slow nightmare

[lone junco]

you need 0 energy during the vanish round.

anyway just memes.

[rigid mango]

I mean it's 0 hastte during

[strange python]

I was getting like 100% mast 9% crit 34% haste with Mastery/Haste red

[rigid mango]

vendetta + np energy

[vast forum]

@rigid mango bracers 2nd try

[rigid mango]

ok

die

sorry

ToS

[lone junco]

or might.

[strange python]

I got belt on first try I think

with socket

[vast forum]

i have all 3 bis benthic with socket now

[rigid mango]

Yeah I know.

[vast forum]

took like 15 pairs of boots, 3 belts and 2 bracers 😄

[thin lagoon]

true gamers get boots with socket on frist try tho 👀

[strange python]

^^^^^^

[rigid mango]

did u funnel from alts?

I assume so

[vast forum]

gaymer 😎

[strange python]

I did not 😎

[jolly fable]

im about 200 pearls into the boots, still no luck

[vast forum]

yea i only sent from alts so i can use main peals to upgrade

[strange python]

I don't even have 120 alts 😎

[rigid mango]

Fair

[vast forum]

2 alts were enough

[rigid mango]

[thin lagoon]

only have alts to reserve rare names I might want to use

[lone junco]

@vast forum Hope I get that luck with Leech procs

looking for Haste + socket + leech

[vast forum]

lool

avoidance > leech imo for raiding

[lone junco]

HPal Leech pump from glimmer is absurdly high.

[vast forum]

leech for solo content

oh you play hpala?

[lone junco]

yeah. have since fall.

[vast forum]

traitor

[lone junco]

ye

had 2 healers quit then.

may have just lost another heal + tank.

bfa has gone from 27-29 roster to 22-25 to 17-19 to maybe 13-16

which is why we raid heroic flex, cause I cba keeping up with recruitment needs.

[tribal marlin]

what minor essence for m+ then ?

[rigid mango]

Vision maybe

[tribal marlin]

I mean right now

Protocol rank1?

or Lucid dream

[rigid mango]

Yeah that works

[tribal marlin]

r2

[rigid mango]

I'd tke lucid major

[tribal marlin]

I bote rank3

[rigid mango]

The 3ttk lucid deeper build is giga

[tribal marlin]

I don't have 3ttk 😄

imma take lucid minor since it's tyrannical

[rigid mango]

ah then just probs protocol

[tribal marlin]

we might need some boss dmg

[rigid mango]

yeah fair

[grim canopy]

Does rated BG's count for BoTE?

[harsh sphinx]

no

[grim canopy]

fuck

[hollow eagle]

Do you think that the benthic boots is the way to go? Been instructed to go for the waist

[sullen pagoda]

boots are 100% prio imo

[nimble tartan]

boots > belt > wrist

[ripe nimbus]

Boots/wrists/belt

[hollow eagle]

They want me to fix LW boots and have belt + wrist from benthic

[ripe nimbus]

The belt works on 2 bosses the wrists and boots work on all

The boots are the best piece so tell them they crazy :p

[sullen pagoda]

@hollow eagle they are legit crazy xD

boots effect is just way too op

[chilly wasp]

Is my Stat weight ok: Crit 27% Haste 13% Mastery 36% versality 3% Heart: Memory of Lucid Dreams

[tacit knoll]

hey guys

so what should be my choice for first minor?

[civic palm]

alittlemoreuuuuuuuugh

[tacit knoll]

on Single target encounter

[tribal marlin]

can you link the gif of protocol please

[stuck knoll]

Lucid

[tacit knoll]

for minor?

[stuck knoll]

For minor

[tacit knoll]

and for major?

[stuck knoll]

Major isn’t that good minor is where most of the power is

[rigid mango]

Generally there are bette rmajors

blood/flame are both good

Esp on higher ranks

[stuck knoll]

Guardian when you can get it

[rigid mango]

Well

When you can get it rank 3

[stuck knoll]

Like Zine said blood or flame other wise

[rigid mango]

It's not that good before r3

It's when you get that last rank that it goes ballistic

[tacit knoll]

relieved that my that some1 agrees on lucid being not so good

[rigid mango]

I mean

[lost horizon]

The minor blasts

[rigid mango]

The minor is insane

The major is just not good when we're already nearly capped on energy during vendetta

[tacit knoll]

ofc but the major is meh

[rigid mango]

The major looks really good for m+ though

[chilly wasp]

and pvp

[rigid mango]

[lost horizon]

Idk about lucid major for m+ tbh

[rigid mango]

It's swapping vigor for DS

and running 3 TTK

You just prio pump like no other

[lost horizon]

Ah with DS I could see it

[rigid mango]

Aye

[tacit knoll]

sounds like the old sub

[rigid mango]

Since DS isn't awkward in m+

Aye more or less

You just pump like a mofo

[urban junco]

TTK?

[rigid mango]

Twist the knife

[urban junco]

right

[rigid mango]

The issue is the opener wher you're so starved for energy

[civic palm]

Twist the KNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE

[rigid mango]

that if you don't get a proc from lucid

and or DP doesn't get applied

you're sorta fucked

Risk reward playstyle in that too

[lost horizon]

Should be a few interesting options

[rigid mango]

Aye

It'll come down to things like is it worth just doing 2 garrotes?

and getting a more consistant opener with ruptures instead

etc.

[lost horizon]

Pretty happy with essences tbh though I do wish more of them interacted with class abilities/resources

[rigid mango]

Yeah

I think a lot of them are a bit bland/lame

I don't find lucid too interesting, but it's sooooo nice to play with

[lost horizon]

At least it works with the class though

[rigid mango]

For suer

[lost horizon]

And it's really cool for like fire blast for fire mage

And sotr for prot pally

[rigid mango]

I wish vision was a bit more interesting

[lost horizon]

I'm hoping vision + LD for outlaw is a thing

[stuck knoll]

It’s a giga boring essence unless it interacts with your spec

[rigid mango]

Vision is lame for sin ngl

The minor might be worth taking w the prio build

[stuck knoll]

Like for Outlaw it’s really cool but sin it’s just not interesting

[rigid mango]

since you nearly always desync vend and vanish anyways

the minor is aight

[stuck knoll]

And I’m glad the random vend procs aren’t enough to make it good

[rigid mango]

Yeah.

[lost horizon]

Yeah but I'm kinda okay with that cause it works for outlaw and other specs/classes

I just wish more essences tried to be interactive

[rigid mango]

Just the feel of vision

Just sounded oh so bad

Random burst windows that can be giga or pretty meh?

[stuck knoll]

There’s no way to play around it

[rigid mango]

Sounds fucking atrocious to play.

[nimble tartan]

Lucid major so u don’t even have to put bleeds up just fok bro

[stuck knoll]

And that’s whay makes it not fun

[rigid mango]

I'm glad it got gutted

[nimble tartan]

Big brain

Galaxy noggin

[rigid mango]

Aye when the major's up

[lost horizon]

If the vision proc was something you could control/use though

[rigid mango]

but when it aint tho

[lost horizon]

That'd be sick

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[stuck knoll]

Yeah if you could bank them

[rigid mango]

I think the RNG element to it made it horrible

Esp for vendetta as a CD

[stuck knoll]

Or it just came off cd instead of proccing it

[rigid mango]

being very meh in normal circumstances but nutty with the right ones

that RNG would've driven me mad

"oh i got 3 env tb window thanks to random vend proc?"

neat.

[lost horizon]

If it was something you could bank and spend on TB windows though

[stuck knoll]

It’s not interesting because it doesn’t affect your gameplay

[lost horizon]

That'd be insane

[rigid mango]

"oh my vend procced whilst pooling?"

neat.

[civic palm]

free dmg, NEAT

[chilly wasp]

Is my Stat weight ok: Crit 27% Haste 13% Mastery 36% versality 3% Heart: Memory of Lucid Dreams

[rigid mango]

But it could be so much more

Idk

sim it my dude

That's about it, looks fine though

[stuck knoll]

Dmg procs zzz

[chilly wasp]

2 items to change to get 0% versality

[vital dew]

Any thoughts on the new potions? Or is flat out stat the best still

[civic palm]

AGI is poor atm

[vital dew]

Will do 😄 ty

[cobalt gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mjicXKM18CbNxdnSHR7jKr

nice, i made it boys

[livid hull]

Stuck at 33000 Don't have 420 Cephalohide.

[lament roost]

For AoE do I keep garrote and rupture on as many targets as possible or only 3?

[rigid mango]

You keep 5 bleeds up

G > G > G > Rup > build > rup = inf energy

past those empowered garrotes, you don't garrote, only ruptures after that

[lament roost]

So do I let garrote fall off if I don't have vanish?

[thorny willow]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[rigid mango]

Yes, but when they start to fall off

you start spacing out ruptures

And/or rupture snipe low hp targets for the hp back

[lament roost]

So keep rupture on two targets unless I can apply it to a dying target?

[rigid mango]

You keep up enough bleeds to sustain you

if you're looking at a longer aoe situation, you apply enough bleeds and go ham

When they start to fall off, you reapply

[lament roost]

Is there a magic number or is it just by feel

[rigid mango]

If shit's dying too fast, you snipe lower hp targets to just get energy influx

Magic number to what?

[lament roost]

How many ruptures will give me enough energy

[rigid mango]

5 bleeds

[hollow stone]

He said already. 5 bleeds

[strange python]

Anyone know how to use the red card from mechagon that does that cyclotronic blast?

[lament roost]

Ah gotcha, thanks!

[hollow stone]

Pretty sure you just right click it

[strange python]

Anyone know how to use the red card from mechagon that does that cyclotronic blast IN THE ROTATION?

[tardy jay]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[icy ember]

!essrank

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

[white basalt]

other than benthic gear and 55 neck, anything else i should be farming for right now to get the biggest Deeps come tuesday?

[rigid mango]

60 neck

[white basalt]

my sims are weak compared to yours

[rigid mango]

m+ in that case

[white basalt]

i feel like its my azerite pieces that are holding me back

[arctic walrus]

@strange python after your MA window, but before you vendetta

[white basalt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mukjq6kYb1by16nhKfuBjH

[carmine valve]

Does 3x EB outdps outlaw rogue ?

[white basalt]

any pointers in terms of a specific item to get after? i think my helm is the weakest, but i plan to replace with the helm from heroic, whatever its called

[carmine valve]

in pure aoe

[rigid mango]

Yes

yes it does

[white basalt]

wasnt there a good helm from EP? i thought there was but cant find it now

[rigid mango]

Yes.

7th boss

[white basalt]

Worth bonus rolling on anything else? Or important to have 5 going into mythic week?

[rigid mango]

Anything that has a dagger

is reroll worthy

[white basalt]

what about higher level azerite with worth traits? or would the answer to that be "sim it"? 😛

worse traits*

[rigid mango]

What do you think?

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

What do you think?

[arctic walrus]

Is there a certain way you have to sim Cyclotronic?

[faint harness]

its getting updated #soon

check tc-research

[arctic walrus]

cool ty

[white basalt]

What if i get into a situation where the loot I just got off one boss may have changed my sims, but my guild is killing shit fast enough that I dont have time to resim before its time to bonus roll?

[rigid mango]

Buy raidbots premium

[tropic ocean]

Sim ot

It before

You can change items without owning them

[white basalt]

i guess i could do that, seems tediious but i guess if i wanna try hard...

ill get a guildy to get premium

[tropic ocean]

Not sure how that would influence bonus roll decisions though

[white basalt]

i just get option paralysis

[tropic ocean]

Use droptimizer and bonus roll from highest to lowest up

[white basalt]

very true, that is helpful

[tropic ocean]

Mostly its

Azerite>weapon>trinket

(Might change depending on what you already own)

[ivory light]

i see different builds for m+ as assassin, which one is the go? Twist the knife build/echoing blades/shrouded suffocation builds ?

[karmic kite]

have we figured out if loyal to the end is good or not?

[rigid mango]

@ivory light yes

any mix of the above is good

[tropic ocean]

@karmic kite ofc its good for sin

TC was already good

Now its the same with higher scaling stat

I guess you can remove 2nd trait and manually add the mastery value in sim

[jovial vault]

is the punchcard on use simming properly yet on raidbots?

or whats the apl i gotta put in to make it sim

[rigid mango]

It's bad unless using the cycl thingy

[jovial vault]

i have the cyclo

[rigid mango]

And that isn't simming correctly either

afaik

[jovial vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Tpp3MW4No2Pox7XMasiXC

does that look right?

[rigid mango]

Does what look right

[jovial vault]

the sim with the punchcard

[rigid mango]

[celest mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rigid mango]

It's been simming incorrectly a while

dunno what correc tis

[jovial vault]

i saw earlier today that it wasnt simming correctly so wasnt sure if its been fixed yet

[rigid mango]

It should be correct

Mystler said he'd updated it for the nightly

[jovial vault]

ok yea just wasnt sure if it was updated yet to use the on use

reason i wanted to double check it

[rigid mango]

Since we've never seen un-fucked

Hard to know what it'd look like tbh

[lavish olive]

hey boyz...what rogue need to farm keys now? i mean traits. smth like 3xEchoing blades ?

or it's not necessary

[white basalt]

I have 420 crit buff boots from CoS. Just get benthic crit boots with a slot. Should i upgrade them?

[jovial vault]

that is true

[white basalt]

i mean socket

[rigid mango]

@lavish olive any mix of eb/ttk/ss

@white basalt benthic is better, probs

sim it tho

😃

[lavish olive]

@rigid mango can u type full names please xD i'm playin wow on another language :DDDD it's hard a little with 2 letters traits to me 😛

[white basalt]

Hard to sim it cause of dmg taken and whatnot right?

[rigid mango]

@lavish olive echoing blades, twist the knife, shrouded suffocation

[timber meadow]

so im assuming there's not much to do with all the extra benthic gera other than delete it

[rigid mango]

You sim with full up time on boots

you don't take it on lower uptime fights

[faint harness]

@jovial vault i dont think nightly is released yet

[rigid mango]

That might be the issue

[white basalt]

dumb question but crit boots would obviously increase the value of crit right?

[dark crag]

A bit maybe

But not really

[rigid mango]

I'd doubt it increases it alot

since when you pop it you'll be under MA anyways

[tepid ridge]

can we macro orc maghar racial on vendetta or is it on GCD?

[rigid mango]

I don't believe it is

If trolls aint, theirs shouldn't be

[tepid ridge]

wanna try on class test to be sure ^^

I'm wondering about rerace

really like the female model 😃

maghar racial isn't on GCD if anyone else wondering ^^

[jovial vault]

Ah ok thanks @faint harness

[karmic kite]

is the cyclo channel being cut short when using vanish for anyone else?

[wraith lance]

Yo. Im new here but been playing rogue for a while. I just read up on the guide here and wondering about multi target-talents. Could anyone declare WHY toxic blade+poison bomb is go to? I’m thinking m+. 2/3x Suffocation, 2/3x echoing blades and 1x vendetta. With exa+crimson tempest. Isn’t that viable?

[tropic ocean]

Echoing does more dmg

Than tempest

[wraith lance]

That isn’t the issue

[tropic ocean]

And tb synergizes well with mastery and ttk traits

[dark crag]

Assa is all about what does the most dmg in globals

[tropic ocean]

With current usage theres no point to use ct at all

As fok with eb does more dmg

[dark crag]

Also aoe vs focus dmg

[wraith lance]

But WHY? Haha

[tropic ocean]

Idk ask blizz

[dark crag]

Because it does more dmg

[tropic ocean]

And pb is just free dmg on finishers so

[wraith lance]

But ct still enables elaborate for echo while doing more dmg the bomb? Am I wrong?

[tropic ocean]

?

[wraith lance]

You swap one envenom for ct

[tropic ocean]

U get eb by rupturing to sustain energy

And rest u spam fok

[wraith lance]

Don’t need to put up more then five ruptures to sustain though

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

[rigid mango]

5 bleeds

[tropic ocean]

Rest fok

[rigid mango]

To get infinte energy, yes

[dark crag]

Sometimes with enough targets you even spam fok nonstop when you secured infinite energy

[rigid mango]

at 5 bleeds you GCD lock

Then it's just down to knowing what to do with your GCD's

[tropic ocean]

And with new essences if u need blast

Just pop lucid and spam more fok

[wraith lance]

Without enabling elaborate?

[rigid mango]

You don't really care about it

[tropic ocean]

The 10% is little

Compared to high target count eb dok

[wraith lance]

Wouldn’t it be better to go master poison then?

[tropic ocean]

Fok

[rigid mango]

You'll space out ruptures if you're mongo fok'ing, or envenoms if you're prio pumping anyways

No.

You still get the value of EP

you just don't play around it

[tropic ocean]

U will naturally have at least 50% ish uptime

[rigid mango]

You'll have good uptime of EP regardless

Yeah.

[tropic ocean]

Just by playing

[rigid mango]

The damage increase is minimal, just like on ST

to the the point where it's not even worth it

To play around it

[tropic ocean]

In 3-5 mob packs

It pretty much is perm up

[rigid mango]

The only thing you do is space out ruptures when shit needs re-bleeding

Yteah

[wraith lance]

Lame af

[rigid mango]

You'll have the energy reg + the pumping of inishers

xd

Ig you prefer

[wraith lance]

Like wat

[rigid mango]

playing master poisoner

and CT

Cx

[tropic ocean]

And for big packs like double pack or reaping u dont care cuz

[rigid mango]

Sounds way more brainpowered

[tropic ocean]

Fok >>>> all

[rigid mango]

[wraith lance]

I didn’t think it was this faceroll-ish

[rigid mango]

There's a lot of thinigs you need to do though

And how sin plays in m+ is vastly diff depending on pack sizes

[tropic ocean]

Its not really facerollish

[rigid mango]

you play like, 5 diff ways depending on what you're playing against

if not more

[tropic ocean]

It involves a lot of planning and decision making

To perform well

[carmine valve]

Can someone walk me thru how to open on 2 man bossfight? Like first boss in crucible, do I spread garrote at begining or do single target opener and then spread bleed?

[dark crag]

There was a time were assa was called the noob rogue spec

[tropic ocean]

@carmine valve i do 2x garrote shadowstep garrote rupture

And back to focus boss

[wraith lance]

Yeah I’ve been playing it for a while. So I understand the concept. Just thought you wanted to max out the dmg with times windows between eb and ct for packs at like 6+ mobs

[tropic ocean]

By the time it runs out they should be stacked anyway

[carmine valve]

so u start on the main boss, apply 2x rupture ?

garrote

[tropic ocean]

Y

[vapid scarab]

I mean assa is probably the easiest spec to get into but hard to master

[rigid mango]

You never play CT, so it's hard to use it

[tropic ocean]

For m+?

[rigid mango]

It's just so bad compared to EB

[tropic ocean]

Its not

[rigid mango]

I'd say it's pretty accurate

it's not hard to get into if you have the traits

but mastering assa is harder than most

[tropic ocean]

Thats y u see so many assas sucking hard in m+

[rigid mango]

idd

I think to get to a baseline level of sin, is really quite easy

[carmine valve]

@tropic ocean I tried spreading rupture and garrote on both bosses, but I found it hard to use TB optimally on CD without dropping bleeds on one of the bosses

[vapid scarab]

I just meant that as a general statement in regards to “There was a time were assa was called the noob rogue spec”, not specifically speaking about m+

[rigid mango]

It's knowing what to do past that, that's the rough stuff

[tropic ocean]

@carmine valve u refresh dots before tb is up

Like preplan before tb gets off cd

On 2 targets there should be no issue

When add spawns it can happen

And is no big deal

[dense blaze]

How many bosses in EP are Aberrations?

[vapid scarab]

2

Orgozoa and zaquul

[tropic ocean]

For hc you shouldnt worry too much

[carmine valve]

is protocol essence worth swapping on aberration bosses?

[rigid mango]

Doubt it

[tropic ocean]

And for mythic u play around buff and vendetta windows

Anyway

[wraith lance]

So you wouldn’t run ct even with a 5-stack, pulling 2-3 packs at a time, all the time?

[vapid scarab]

Don’t think protocol kills bosses, and it’s also not aberration specific

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't run CT ever

Even at fort teeming

I'd run 3 eb and do better off

[vapid scarab]

At that target count you’re just spamming fok anyway

CT is a wasted global

[carmine valve]

Protocol minor trait does more dmg on aberration

[rigid mango]

The damage that CT brings is just not as much as EB does

per global

You're literally losing dmg

[wraith lance]

Ok

[rigid mango]

from pressing it isntead of fok

[wraith lance]

Ty

[vapid scarab]

If CT contributed to VW then maybe

Since you wouldn’t have to spread ruptures out

[wraith lance]

For dumbing it down for me. I can be really narrow minded when I set my mind on something

[rigid mango]

If CT did that

[tropic ocean]

Wdym maybe

[vapid scarab]

But it doesn’t, so it’s a wasted gcd

[rigid mango]

it' would've been insanely

INSANELy

broken.

[dense blaze]

They should go ahead and put it on VW 👌🏿

[tropic ocean]

If ct did vw ud use it on st

[rigid mango]

And it's never going to happen

^

[dense blaze]

That would be infinite energy, imagine

[rigid mango]

In a world of EB, CT has no place

Yeah imagine

playing fucking

[tropic ocean]

It would be so broken

Oh big pack

[rigid mango]

MFD and CT

just 2 buttons

[nimble tartan]

god i cant wait for them to tune up sub right before mythic

[rigid mango]

3 eb fok spam

[nimble tartan]

see u there

[rigid mango]

Wow so fun

[tropic ocean]

Fuk rupture

1ct spam fok

[nimble tartan]

you know whats cooler than rupture

purple rupture

[tropic ocean]

900k dpd yay

[carmine valve]

purple rupture can be dispelled 😄

[rigid mango]

I'm just assuming s3 is going to have close to no shifts in traits

s3 nor t24 for that matter

[tropic ocean]

Maybe loyal trait

If multiple ppl use it

[vapid scarab]

Not in a dungeon

[rigid mango]

Yeah possibly

I'm interested in seeing how stupid it can get

[dark crag]

Purple rupture can be dispelled?

[rigid mango]

But bar that, nothing changes afaik

[vapid scarab]

You need 8 people for it to max at 527 mastery

[tropic ocean]

so

Even 300 mastery will be good

[vapid scarab]

With 5 you would have 407

[tropic ocean]

Idk how ppl can not see it

When tc is decent with lower amount of bad stat

🤷🏿‍♂️

[vapid scarab]

I mean tc also affects all dmg

Mastery only affects poisons and bleeds

[tropic ocean]

And nature dmg no

[rigid mango]

It's a lot though

Env/NP too

[vapid scarab]

Yeah ofc it’s a lot

But it’s not all

Especially with EB

[tropic ocean]

Good enough

[rigid mango]

I mean you're not running it in a dungeon

I don't think there's a slot free for it

[vapid scarab]

Well you asked why people don’t see it

[rigid mango]

more than it being worse

I don't think sin can sacrifice any of the 6 slots

[vapid scarab]

That’s my point

[rigid mango]

for mastery

[tropic ocean]

Not sure

[rigid mango]

I mean

I can't see losing a ttk or an eb ever being worth it

for it

[tropic ocean]

Idk if it stacks but

[rigid mango]

since you're losing a ttk for more env dmg

aint that an oxymoron

and eb for obv reasons

[tropic ocean]

It comes down to what will give more dps

Anyway

We will see

[vapid scarab]

I mean losing ttk for it seems the easiest imo

[rigid mango]

I mean

If you're

Talking dps

[vapid scarab]

Both increase env dmg

[rigid mango]

The only thing that you can sacrifice

[tropic ocean]

Losing ttk will reduce ur dps

[rigid mango]

Is an EB

[tropic ocean]

But loyal will inc group dps

Probably

[rigid mango]

TTK isn't about dps tho

It's about prio

Not about just getting more dmg

[vapid scarab]

It’s about prio yeah

[rigid mango]

and the on death effect is WAY worse in m+

[vapid scarab]

But loyal could give you similar prio as well as spread cleave

[rigid mango]

I mean

[tropic ocean]

Especially if its on 4 or 5 ppl

[rigid mango]

Odds are you shouldn't ever get the extra stats from it

an entire component of it is gone

[tropic ocean]

Flat mastery good enough

[rigid mango]

Than a ttk trait?

I find it hard to believe that

[tropic ocean]

will see about that

[rigid mango]

I mean let alone

You need your entire group to want mastery as much as you

[tropic ocean]

Yes

[rigid mango]

Or you wont get the full value of the trait

[tropic ocean]

And force tank to use tradewinds too

💪🏿

[rigid mango]

Sounds great.

[tropic ocean]

I mean I use it on my tank

#teamplayer

[vapid scarab]

Just have to wait and see how the trait and s3 actually play out

[tropic ocean]

Need to find out if 2ndary is infinite duration

If it is

[vapid scarab]

Can see it going both ways

[tropic ocean]

Op. Trait

Start key

Healer tank die

Dps blast

[peak saffron]

there any data on the new potions yet?

[simple meteor]

guys when i use the channel trinket from mecha on my rotation on single target ?

[vapid scarab]

You can sim them in raidbots, the crit one will take you out of stealth tho so can’t prepot it

[rigid mango]

Also with beguiling being beguiling

I don't think losing a ttk is worth it

Funneling onto voids

[vapid scarab]

I mean you don’t kill beguiling to begin with so

[tropic ocean]

For beguiling ud rather use np

[rigid mango]

You have to in some cases

[tropic ocean]

Than ttl

[vapid scarab]

Idk why everyone is obsessed with prio for beguiling

[tropic ocean]

Ttk

[rigid mango]

Because you can pull big shit ontop of it

and have your sin rogue pump

[tropic ocean]

Do we know that yet?

[rigid mango]

You have one very obvious prio target

We know how it works

Unless they've buffed all the trash

[vapid scarab]

That in most cases you won’t kill anyway

[tropic ocean]

Cuz thats actually how you will approach m+

If u can pull stuff on top or not

[vapid scarab]

Why couldn’t you

[rigid mango]

You can on the void, which is the only scary one

[potent stone]

yo, when do i use lucid? right before vendetta?

[tropic ocean]

well on ptr i got slaughtered by mob alone so

Idk

[rigid mango]

Wdym

[potent stone]

ty

[tropic ocean]

And how to not play them idk

They had big aggro range

[rigid mango]

2/3 of the beguilings

Are funnel city

[tropic ocean]

Im not up to date tho

[rigid mango]

Yeah, one has true vision, the void one

The others don't

[tropic ocean]

Oh woe

Wow

[rigid mango]

The void one is the worst though

[tropic ocean]

Yea

[vapid scarab]

Because you aren’t supposed to kill it

It’s supposed to make you take a new route

[rigid mango]

You're forced to

[tropic ocean]

Its the shadow cast one?

[rigid mango]

in some situations

like

[cobalt gyro]

i mean

[rigid mango]

Please do tell how you avoide the void one

in the middle of the trash b4 galv

that spawns galv

[cobalt gyro]

some dungeoens you can go around

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[cobalt gyro]

but one like that

[rigid mango]

Some dungeons, some weeks