assassination

[hollow stone]

Thank god this is not mage discord. Our mods here, and zine (i guess :)) do a great jerb keepin' things relevant

Unlike that shitshow that is dh disc meme fest

[dim sigil]

what are some sick proffessions for assa? Leatherwork and?

[civic palm]

JC if you have the money.

[hybrid laurel]

if you want some sick prof

eng is for you

[rigid mango]

@hollow stone

[burnt parcel]

Hey guys, i just got 120

Should i go straight to Nazjatar

Or do all the stuff on Zandalar?

[icy ember]

ye, you should yeet all the content

[burnt parcel]

im still 285 ilvl

lol

3 mobs and i die

[sullen hollow]

dont go nazjatar then

lol

btw

[icy ember]

it doesn't matter, 416, 285, same difference

[sullen hollow]

Kappa

[quiet abyss]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[icy ember]

just use stealth to your advantage

[ripe nimbus]

@hollow stone that was very #off-topic pls fix

[rigid mango]

13k?

Link pls

[brisk frost]

nvm

[tropic ocean]

Did you accidently take multi target?

No essence gives u 13k dps inc ob st

On*

[brisk frost]

had some wrong settings loaded from last time i was simming, false call ^^

[crystal vessel]

Mut is better with DD traits on ❤ targets? And SS/EB on >3?

Greater than 3

Less than 3

[faint canopy]

Btw, anyone has simmed a high ilvl punchcard trinket? is it any good or just trash so far?

[crystal vessel]

I think that depends on the cards you get.

[spice surge]

@crystal vessel 3 if no traits, 2 if eb, 4/5 with dd

[zinc zephyr]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[crystal vessel]

So 4/5 with 3 DD traits.

Use mut.

[rigid mango]

You fok at 4/5 if you have dd, yes

Fok at 2 if you have eb

Fok at 3 if neither

[ripe nimbus]

U mut at 4/5 if u have DD traits

[woven summit]

Will toxic knife be viable for m+ in season 3?

I see for single target some people are simming MA?

[real bay]

wdym

toxic blade is p much what everyone use

[rigid mango]

@woven summit why wouldn't tb be viable for m+?

And yes, MA is better than sub if you don't have SS traits, and sub + ss is better for cleave

[knotty rain]

What stats will it take in the next raid?

[rigid mango]

Hm?

[lone junco]

@knotty rain you looking for future stat weights?

[woven summit]

I see. Thanks. I just see exsanguinate sims better for keys than TB for 1.4%

According to the guide

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't go off of that

[woven summit]

Yeah guess both are strong depending on prefference

[rigid mango]

Nah, I don't think exsangs getting picked

Unless it's really good for the new affix, but I don't see tb getting any worse thanks to it

Unless doing 3ss last boss cheese in kr, I don't really see a reason to pick exsang

[woven summit]

Glad to hear got used to TB would love to do well in future

[rigid mango]

Tb also scales better

[strange python]

damn 3rd belt with a socket i procced but being the wrong effect

[wise shore]

why is the azerite in EP so bad

[modest violet]

memory of lucid dreams has been nice

[white basalt]

Yea it makes the spec more fun

[grim canopy]

For m+ should I use that aoe essence from rep or lucid or blood

[rigid mango]

Blood's a pretty safe bet

[fallen geode]

Anyone having stealth issues

[white basalt]

Ya juice its prob cause of your follower

Could also be the lucid dream minor trait bringing you out of stealth when you sap or something

[azure zenith]

I had it all the time in BGs the last few days

Incredibly annoying

No debuff on me, dozens of yards to the next enemy and stealth randomly fails

[inner tree]

what do you guys think of https://www.wowhead.com/item=168912/subroutine-optimization&bonus=1472 with a haste crit punch ?

[white basalt]

How the hell does that even work

[rigid mango]

Trinket seems meh

If it's simming correctly

But idk

[tribal marlin]

is it 250stats overall or 250 of each stat

and what is uptime

is all the question

[white basalt]

anyone have a theoritical BIS list for EP yet?

[rigid mango]

EP?

[knotty rain]

@lone junco yes for azshara raid 😄

[rigid mango]

Oh new raid

Unless az changes dramastically which it doesn't seem like

[white basalt]

huh?

damn, got socketed benthic but its vers/haste legs with +speed bonus :/

[lone junco]

@knotty rain you know im just gonna say, sim yo self. right?

once the major/minor stuff is ready.

Still gonna be a Haste Mastery/Crit blend. grats.

[tropic ocean]

250 of each stat

I guess not lol

[sand granite]

These are bis boots right?

[tawny shell]

I’d assume so after upgradeingg to 425

Even now if your boots are trash

[vernal fern]

how did you get them ? just random rolling ?

[sacred hatch]

does memory of lucid dreams shares gcd with vendetta?

[sand granite]

Yea rolled from vendor

Had to buy like 6 before hitting

[tawny shell]

Is it worth rolling like that? Are pearls worth anything else?

[tribal marlin]

you need 75 pearl to achieve the quest

[tawny shell]

Yeah I been done that 75 thing

[tribal marlin]

in order to craft 425 and 440 gear with proffession

[tawny shell]

Ahhh okay. so yeah def saving pearls

[vernal fern]

but this is useless if you dont a gear profession right?

have*

[sacred hatch]

memory or crucible?

[marble hemlock]

looks like lucid can proc twice on the same mutilate 😄

[cobalt gyro]

LMAO AMAZING

also

tikes that TD deplete

it feels real tight now

[marble hemlock]

we didnt finish

@vestal wren you know whether mutilate returning energy twice with lucid is already modeled correctly in simc?

[tame cobalt]

!essrank

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

[amber trench]

did you have the major up during that proc?

cause the major doubles the refund also

[marble hemlock]

oh ye

nvm then, sorry for ping :p

gonna check real quick

hmm....

[flint jetty]

Would the 100% increased energy gen increase the gains from minor proc?

[marble hemlock]

nvm

that was VV

not lucid 😄

[amber trench]

lucid major 100% doubles refund of minor

[dim sigil]

Do I use FoK on 2 targets with 3x echoing blades?

[opaque tree]

Yes bjorg

[dim sigil]

Thanks @opaque tree, very cool!

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, youre right @amber trench

the funny part is that it calculates the energy that should be refunded by the minor, then rounds up

and then doubles it if the major is active

so you get 36energy return on a 35energy fok

[amber trench]

silly game, can't do math

yeah i noticed it when i was raiding on weds, only ever overcapped energy when it procced during the major

[marble hemlock]

i mean it also doubles vim energy regains

[amber trench]

well yeah it does that too

[marble hemlock]

and venom-rush, id assume

[amber trench]

most likely

[marble hemlock]

probably vendetta/NP gains as well

[amber trench]

np i'm not sure about

should test that

i don't think it affects np

13.2 base energy regen popped lucid and vend on a dummy and only went to 28.4

which is just 13.2*2+2

[marble hemlock]

hm, doesnt show np/vendetta energy gains at all in logs

just vv/lucid :<

[amber trench]

i think that might be counted into the passive regen category in logs

and just doesn't seperate

i'll check mine

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/DM6d6/a4bb60a52e.png

that is without bleeds up, just np+vendetta+lucid, and started on as low energy as possible

125energy from minor

thats still 425energy over a 10sec window

unaccounted for

[amber trench]

hmm

[marble hemlock]

260 are passive, 60 vendetta 20np

wouldnt be enough

[amber trench]

how many minor rpocs?

[marble hemlock]

already counted them out

total cost over 10sec is 550 energy, 125 are refunded from minor

425 left, 260 are from passive regen (13/sec but major up, so 26/sec)

leaves ~165energy to be gotten from somewhere

[amber trench]

shouldn't it be 250energy from minor?

[marble hemlock]

100 actually, first one was before i used lucid

[balmy kraken]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/DM6lG/5022a53496.png

[amber trench]

ok

[marble hemlock]

so yeah, assuming i started with ~40energy after dumping energy, then using 2GCDs on other stuff

i was able to use 550 energy on mutilates, -40 for the start, -100 for lucid minor, -260 passive regen, leaves us with ~150 to be gained from np+vendetta on use

which is only 80 if lucid major doesnt affect it, 160 if it does

[amber trench]

most likely it does affect vendetta regen

wish logs would show a chart for current energy

[lament roost]

is assassination or outlaw better for 8.2 mythic+?

[amber trench]

passive regen should be 312 btw lucid is 12 secs long

at r1

[crisp steppe]

wait untill the new m+ season started and we have unlocked some essences and try again @lament roost

[marble hemlock]

hmm

hmm, i was mostly looking at the energy generated within the 10sec window of vendetta+mutilates

would be much nicer if we could just track vendetta/np energy gains via logs :<

[amber trench]

yah, well when you used the last mutilate were you close to 0 energy?

[marble hemlock]

ye

[amber trench]

if you were then you have to factor in the eneryg gained from the 2 gcds lost

[marble hemlock]

i did, thats why i started with ~40 energy

i legit waited until i could spam another muti

and then popped lucid+vend

same returns from minor as before, 100energy

no op

would be nice if we could somewhat confirm whether it affects np/vendetta energy gains or not :<

but i would assume it does

[amber trench]

yeah it would, i'm leaning towards it affecting vendetta at the least

[marble hemlock]

yeah

can make a screen in 2min, the char sheet even shows

[tribal marlin]

what are you discussing for ?

[amber trench]

lucid dreams interaction with ALL energy sources

[marble hemlock]

wasnt sure if lucid affects all types of energy gains

[tribal marlin]

oh

[tribal marlin]

It double energy recover from Ruthless strike too

[marble hemlock]

goes down to 28 after initial vendetta energy fades, 26 when you cancel NP

[mental obsidian]

I know it s too early but how likely are we to use blood of the enemy? I wanna know if I ll grind it on my rogue or dk, cause both need it, just wanna know which one will likely use it most

[tribal marlin]

I mean the passiv from sub rogue. So you get 60 energy after a finisher insteed of 30

[amber trench]

i see

good chance it affects np too then

[opaque tree]

Would this push Lucid’s dps higher than what it sims for?

[marble hemlock]

guess we're back to thistletea and renatakis charm of trickery, pop it during lucid, get twice the energy!

[amber trench]

depends on if sims account for it or not

i don't have essence sims enabled so you can check to see how much energy is refunded for vendetta proc and np proc

i think sims track that in the detailed log

[tribal marlin]

It's near than impossible to not being gcd locked during lucid dream active anyway

[opaque tree]

If it’s already close to the number one contender for major spot, and it wasn’t accounted for, it might push it to the top

[marble hemlock]

atleast for assa it doesnt really matter anyway, since you dont wanna pop lucid with vendetta due to massive overcap issues

[tribal marlin]

And assa is the only spec that "maybe" can not overcap energy during lucid

[nocturne gate]

when do u pop lucid ?

[amber trench]

dh and balance druids overcap as much as sin does during lucid

[opaque tree]

When you are under 50 energy as of right now

[tribal marlin]

whenever you can't do any other global becase you don't have enough energy

[nocturne gate]

so at least inside of vendetta but not at start

[amber trench]

good rule of thumb is first time you go under 50 energy without a minor proc right after

[tribal marlin]

I encounter 2 issue doing some research on that. When I tested Lucid major on PTR I was basically pop'ing it right after the last global in TB and it was the same time I started being starved.

[marble hemlock]

i like that fok gives 36 energy instead of 35 tho

1 free energy POG

[amber trench]

yeah garrote gives 46

[tribal marlin]

But it was without BL

if you add BL in the picture, you basically don't need Lucid dream, but if you then use it AFTER bl, it will be desync off your vendetta and you wont be able to use it during subsequent vendetta

so I need to do some other testes to see

[dark crag]

Your raid use bl when you have vendetta ready?

[tribal marlin]

Well at least sims use BL on pull

so yes basically synced with vendetta

[mental obsidian]

I know it s too early but how likely are we to use blood of the enemy? I wanna know if I ll grind it on my rogue

[tribal marlin]

and anyway yes I most of the time will have BL ready when BL is popd

[dark crag]

Just 50% extra reg and a neat side effect like mastery or whatever would be nice

[flat ivy]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[hybrid laurel]

is it true that the benthic equipment can have slot randomly?

[white basalt]

YES

true

i got a slot but its on the shitty pants with speed buff and vers ;/

[mental obsidian]

probably not very accurate essence simms yet right?

[hybrid laurel]

@white basalt oh that's nice then. I think ill farm the waist

for the extra damage in raid

[opaque tree]

I wish my pants in real life gave me a speed boost.

[untold current]

So the energy is being refunded double from the major and minor lucid?

Or minor I should say

[nimble tartan]

You ever just been at work all day thinking about your bae neri and all the activities you have to do with her when u get home

[last stump]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vernal fern]

can we see anywhere what the rank 4 essences effects look like?

just curious

[civic palm]

yes

https://www.wowhead.com/news=292702/azerite-essence-rank-4-legendary-cosmetic-effects?webhook

[untold current]

This is probably a silly question but is ancient flame the minor for Crucible?

Or just part of the major

Bc my understanding is that we dont have access to the minors until 55

[nimble tartan]

If you slot in a major essence in a major slot you also gain the minor effect

[grim canopy]

so that one essnce that does 300% more dmg if it crits, is that gonna be decent with MA?

[civic palm]

Probably not.

Not with normal levels of crit anyway.

[spice surge]

It almost certainly doesnt work with MA

Since the other essences dont

[grim canopy]

damn

[spice surge]

MA is only for rogue abilties and procs

[civic palm]

Yeah MA doesn't actually increase your crit rating.

[spice surge]

Doesnt work on trinkets/azerite

[crisp steppe]

anyone been doing regular bgs? how much worse are they than epic bgs for farming honor

[sacred hatch]

do you use first memory then vendetta?

[fervent beacon]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tribal marlin]

Use Lucid dream whever you are below 50energy, this should happens around the end of vendetta

[sharp quest]

if im just world questing atm and picking people off in PVP what are the best traits to stack? 1 Shrouded suffocation and stack nothing personals?

[rigid mango]

#pvp

[sharp quest]

TY

[thorn grove]

what prepot we wanna use now?

for st

[rigid mango]

Pure st, the crit one

[soft warren]

do we use any of the new enchants or na

on weapons

[rigid mango]

Yes, force is best afaik

Force + highest simming stat one

[tawny nimbus]

"For your weapon enchants you should use one Force Multiplier and one secondary stat enchant that your scale factors says is highest. A likely pair for single target would be Force Multiplier and Quick Navigation."

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/#GandS

[rigid mango]

A person asked a question answered in pins/guides?

[random lynx]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[sudden ocean]

what stats does Force Multiplier give and is it outright enough to replace quick/deadly or is it a sim job?

[white basalt]

It gives agility and whatever your highest secondary stat is

Use one force multiplier and whatever nav

[strange python]

Read the fucking enchant you monkey. People asking what stuff does are lazy af

[rigid mango]

Gottem good there bud

[stable plinth]

Any of you guys tried the compendium of sundering trinket?

The BOE

sims well

[cunning urchin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aMcFSSHGNZppdG7Aio1LQQ

I sim 30k with Master assassin build but idk how to play it

can someone teach me

[karmic galleon]

hey does anyone know the emissary quest ilvl scaling breakpoint? what ilvl do I need to get 400 azerite from the emissary rewards?

[high ruin]

dont think you can yet

it might be s3 tied

[cobalt pelican]

i don't think the numbers were ever officially known, when it happened there was weird shit where people with the same ilvl got different rewards

[simple meteor]

is the new engeering head worth the grind?

[strange python]

Is Kimbul's sim broken?

[stable plinth]

No, it's just that strong

Trinkets that deal direct damage got buffed

[strange python]

ic

sick

[lost mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dyyG9xBHdDNK2SSZW5E8fV
Should i use force+haste nav or +crit nav? my weights are mastery>vers>haste>crit

[nimble tartan]

whatever u want bro

[vestal carbon]

Man that grind for 50K honor is real lol

At 20K been at it non stop

[nimble tartan]

whats the achieve to track it

[vestal carbon]

Battlefield tactician

[nimble tartan]

nice im at 6k hell yeah

[wise shore]

got the uu'nat boots at 425, but they seem like cancer

[nimble tartan]

depends on the fight

think theyre fine on m uunat

[white basalt]

@wise shore alot of the damage from raids and stuff doesn't cancel the buff, so they are better than they seem

[wise shore]

ah

[grim canopy]

which essence have u guys been using in m+

[tribal marlin]

on my sims only Lucid Major + Flame rank3 beat BLood rank3 + Lucid rank3

(for mythic week #1)

but flame rank3 look impossible to get

[errant viper]

What essence are you guys using for major until you unlock minors?

[nimble tartan]

lucid dream

[rotund pier]

whats going to be second once minor is out

for raid

[errant viper]

I thought lucid was a good as a minor, not a major 😮

[fringe estuary]

Are we still using SS/EB for m+?

[errant viper]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[quiet totem]

Is there anywhere to get 400+ daggers with the new content or is M+ / Raid the only source still

[deft shore]

@quiet totem There aren’t any (usable non tmog) weapons in 8.2 til Mechagon/Eternal Palace opens up. It’s BoD and M+ til then.

[muted jacinth]

theres a 415 dagger in the najatar quest line wasnt there? the intro quests

[drifting cloud]

no its 370

was "bugged" on ptr

[plucky stream]

whats the M+ build for Sin rogues?

[daring atlas]

How is sin in M+?

Even worth it?

@plucky stream I run 2223323

[white basalt]

sin si fine in M+, with the nerf to outlaw the the removal of reaping, it will almost definitely be th e go to choice for M+ in S#

S3

[daring atlas]

Thank you 😃

[quartz depot]

gl getting the traits for it though

[white basalt]

what traits?

[tribal marlin]

as usual a combination of SS, EB and TTK

[opal meadow]

So ive tried searching

anyone have any ideas on benthic gear to roll for sockets?

Belt seems good (with aoe damage)

but like i dont have any sims just from looking at it

[toxic minnow]

Where does the on-use ability of Lucid Dreams fit into our opener?

[opal meadow]

after you're energy starved

[onyx rock]

Is it just me or is SS on Singletarget coming back ? Sims should be fine now and 3xSS sims almost the same as the typical Double Dose Build. 33 / 32k. Could be the crazy amount of haste with 8x the new Sockets ?

[opal meadow]

Just more haste in general from higher ilvl too

[onyx rock]

Itemlevel is the same as in 8.1.5

[opal meadow]

Oh

[onyx rock]

Everything is the same beside Essences... thats why its weird. Before the Patch the 3xSS Build was way behind but its catching up strong now

I am at 421 Itemlvl

And my haste is 28% unbuffed now with the new Sockets

[opal meadow]

421? where are you getting ilvl from

[onyx rock]

Well just raiding and this Tier i was very lucky with titanforged

[opal meadow]

ah

[onyx rock]

Its not that unusual tbh

Also necklvl is giving some itemlvl

Well... 1 Point

[opal meadow]

I'm at 416 rn

only have two 400 items but they have sockets

[cobalt pelican]

post the sim

[onyx rock]

Cant... will do it later. My pc is off now

You have an idea why ss is simming so good ?

[cobalt pelican]

1k is pretty high variance if i'm interpretting what you said right

[drifting cloud]

I mean you said 33 / 32

so its 1k lower? thats about normal

[cobalt pelican]

throughout dazaralor the sims were only like 400dps difference for me as nelf

[onyx rock]

Yes. But (for me) the difference was like 27/29k before the Patch

Maybe i am dumb... or i need sleep

Or both

[cobalt pelican]

there hasn't been any changes that have changed the difference that much, so unless you had worse ss pieces (op missing, whatever) i doubt the difference was 2k

[onyx rock]

Its the same gear beside new sockets/enchants for weapon and rings and Kibul Trinket insted of Dice

[cobalt pelican]

only thing i can think of is you're talking like 27.9 and 29.1 and the difference seemed bigger in your head

if i rerun any of my old sims from dazaralor as belf the difference is about 1kish

and that's mostly because my ss chestpiece is the reverant whatever

[onyx rock]

I would love to pull out some old sims but yeah they are gone i guess

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rvojwNnGqPVQrtE4kJAyNi

this is an old one

difference is a bit bigger here

[onyx rock]

I see

[opal meadow]

Socketing in 5 new gems gave me 2% more haste, that does seem impactful

[onyx rock]

Maybe i am making things up but i would swear it was 2kisch for me

[tribal marlin]

for me DDx3/NPx2/TCx1 sim 800 higher than 3xSS/2xNP/1xDD

[onyx rock]

Ok so i guess my sims are fine

800 dosnt seems high at this kind of numbers

Its fun to play imo. I guess i will try it at mekka/wall/jaina next reset

[cobalt pelican]

what major were you simming with

[opal meadow]

mekka will yield rng results

[onyx rock]

Good Point. Double Dose Gear tells me to take Energy Essenc and SS Gear want the Flame Essence

[cobalt pelican]

i'd expect dd to gain % on ss when you can get lucid as a minor

[onyx rock]

Yeah i guess

[opal meadow]

what's lucids minor ppm?

[onyx rock]

Will see in 2 days or so... need 70% for 55 now

[opal meadow]

you 54?

[onyx rock]

Yeah since an hour ago

[opal meadow]

damn

are you grinding islands?

[onyx rock]

I did one island grind for 8 hours

[opal meadow]

but why

[onyx rock]

But i saved 18 Paragon things (6 of them dosnt count)

[opal meadow]

that's smart

[onyx rock]

Just for fun tbh. I like to have more stuff than others you know ^^

[frail dome]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cobalt pelican]

just hit 51

epic gamer moment

[onyx rock]

Also i want to raid with 2 essence slot next reset

[hallow nymph]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[onyx rock]

I mean 51 is totaly fine

[cobalt pelican]

i'm the kind of person that the more blizzard whip me to do stuff the more i just don't do anything in protest

[opal meadow]

me too nameless

[woven summit]

Will SS plus DD and one NP be viable for raiding?

[opal meadow]

I had neck 48 till 8.2 lol

[cobalt pelican]

efficiency

no ap wasted

[opal meadow]

I want 55 though so i'm grinding shit out now 😦

[onyx rock]

Our maintank is at 46 now

So...

[cobalt pelican]

46 is pretty impressive if he didn't reroll

props to that guy

[opal meadow]

our guild leader said we needed to get 50 by raid release

[onyx rock]

He didnt reroll

[cobalt pelican]

does 50 even do anything

[opal meadow]

[cobalt pelican]

you get your first major at 35 right

[onyx rock]

CE Raider btw

Hes a meme

[opal meadow]

I dunno just arbitrary i guess

[cobalt pelican]

poke the worker bees make sure they're alive

[opal meadow]

I hate WQs so i kinda protest

[onyx rock]

I dont do the daylie wanted things

I hate it

[woven summit]

CE raiders tend to burn out and thus not doing further content untill next patch

[cobalt pelican]

i can understand like.. wanting people to play

but telling people to play is just a recipe for your guild disintergrating as the 'slightly jaded but still raiding' players leave

i've already given up on getting flying at all any time soon

[opal meadow]

I'm going hard for flying

[cobalt pelican]

i'm just going to try hit 55 at a semi reasonable pace and make sure my follower gets his xp daily for lucid

should mean i'm not too far behind in raids and i can just deal without flying since i don't go anywhere

[onyx rock]

I guess 55 is easy to get until myhtic id by just doing ap WQ's

[cobalt pelican]

doubt 65 before raid finish is going to happen

[opal meadow]

I got a item from a scrying chest thing that gave my followers 150 xp, each. so 450 in total, nice boost for lucid #2

[cobalt pelican]

unelss you're in like a world 5k guild

so once i hit 55 i'm probably just going to slowpoke around on foot while everyones flying around me

[opal meadow]

My main motivation for flying is so i can do WQs really quickly

[woven summit]

So you guys going MA for raiding or is sub still good for SS traits?

[opal meadow]

MA until i get new azerite

[cobalt pelican]

same as dazaralor basically

so, ss on any fight that it benefits

but ma baseline

[woven summit]

What traits do you use for MA? TKK, one NP and DD?

[round holly]

hey, can i ask some stupid questions about the revenholdt guide?

[icy ember]

3x dd 3x np

[cobalt pelican]

whatever sims highest, so probably just some mix of dd and np depending on what traits are available

and maybe ceph if there's no good raid one

[woven summit]

and 3x TKK?

[cobalt pelican]

not honestly looked into gear much

[onyx rock]

Yeah i normaly go 3xSS until Mekka and maybe conlave sometimes

[cobalt pelican]

ttk is a pretty hard avoid for raiding outside of ceph

[woven summit]

sorry but what was ceph again?

[opal meadow]

I go MA on grong, but the timing for that fight is annoying for anything imo

[cobalt pelican]

cephalohide.. jacket?

i don't remember the name of it

[woven summit]

lmao

[onyx rock]

I am padding on grong like mad tbh

[woven summit]

I don't remember

[cobalt pelican]

ttk dd op chest from m+

[opal meadow]

https://gyazo.com/ed31c05f0cd33552441322b9e00d835d

[round holly]

why does it say "Garrote when your current Garrote is below 5.4" ? isn't it better to wait until last tick?

[opal meadow]

Cephalohide jacket

[cobalt pelican]

all bleeds pandemic

so 30% of the duration can be added to the next one

[round holly]

wait really

[cobalt pelican]

30% of garrote d uration is 5.4

[round holly]

and there is snapshooting back as well?

[cobalt pelican]

no

[round holly]

"Note: You do not want to overwrite a Nightstalker empowered Rupture or Garrote until it has expired."

[woven summit]

Oh the item

[cobalt pelican]

that is correct

but it's not snapshotting

[woven summit]

I thought Cephalonide Jacket was a trait lol

got confused there

So I see that item has dagger in the back

[icy ember]

nightstalker, that hasn't been used since legion

[cobalt pelican]

like, no stats are taken into account when this happens

[round holly]

yeah yeah

its soft snapshooting or smthg

[icy ember]

idk what snapshooting is

[round holly]

but it take nightstalker into account for the whole dot

[cobalt pelican]

yeah

[round holly]

it's the only thing that does it right?

no more trinket and stuff

[cobalt pelican]

any empowerments are applied, and if a garrote is empowered by either talent don't renew till 0

outside of that you can do whatever

you don't have to worry about trinket/procs/anything really

[round holly]

@icy ember before DoT were keeping the stat you had when you applied them, so you didn't want to erase a full trinket proc DoT

some class could abuse that hard

@cobalt pelican yeah ok i guess it's the same for subterfuge

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[round holly]

kk

ty

[cobalt pelican]

and shrouded

[round holly]

haven't learned that spell yet :3

[cobalt pelican]

any empowerment on your garrote = let it tick out

no empowerment = 5.4

[round holly]

5.4 or below right?

just not before

[opal meadow]

If your garrote was cast in stealth

let it tick to 0

before casting garrote again

[cobalt pelican]

yeah any time below is fine

[round holly]

ok thanks boyz

[woven summit]

If you use garrote before the empowered garrote runs out you lose some seconds on it

right?

[peak quarry]

Should I use leeching poison in open world content? When I am doing it as Asasination I seem to get killed more easily than outlaw.

[woven summit]

What if your non empowered garrote is still running, can you use empowered garrote over it if vanish is on CD?

[signal ice]

yes

[round holly]

so you get a pandemic buffed garot?

[signal ice]

yes

[cobalt pelican]

leeching is pretty helpful

and yes that's how it works

[onyx rock]

I take leeching in Islands. Very nice

[round holly]

when was pandemic added? legion?

[strange python]

guys where are the waves lmao

ik it's the wrong channel but my god

found them

[dark crag]

You get no pandemic empowered garrote if you overwrite it with a normal one

Pandemic is just 30% of the duration of your new cast added on top

But your current new cast count

Trinket buffs are dynamic

[fierce yew]

Sorry if I'm a bit OOTL here but are we using the Kimbul trinket over Harlan's at the moment?

[dark crag]

[opal meadow]

We using font of power now :^)

[tropic ocean]

Kimbul is opie op rn

[opal meadow]

why?

[fierce yew]

Ye my sim still sais my 400 socketed Harlan is worth more than 415 socketed Kimbul that's why I ask

[opal meadow]

then use the harlan

[tropic ocean]

Not sure sim is updated

Kimbul just got a huge buff

[cobalt pelican]

the sim is where most of the 'kimbul busted' stuff came from but it's quoting way higher damage than in the game

so either the sim updated weird, the change didn't get pushed to live, or something inbetween is fucky

[tropic ocean]

Idk in fh 14 first boss it did 4.x% of my dmg yesterday

[white basalt]

I'm using a 380 spyglass and have given away a 425 kimbuls...

[tropic ocean]

yeah

about 4.1% on dummy as well

with 415ilvl

https://prnt.sc/o88u14

2min

[rustic heath]

Do you pool on elaborate planning or envenom buff?

[cobalt pelican]

avg dmg per proc?

[tropic ocean]

1,624

https://prnt.sc/o88w21

thats with st gear so only 29% mastery

I guess with the new secondary stat scaling it will do a lot more when having 40%+mastery in m+

[unborn gate]

Is the alchemy trinket worth crafting?

[scenic torrent]

how bad is versality, got item from pearl but with socket.

[daring atlas]

So look at stat weights

I feel like raidbots is a little off right noww

[shy axle]

mastery might gain due to essencer while haste might lose some value

could be possible

[daring atlas]

ahhhh

I am using lucid dreams

that is probably why

great callout

@shy axle Can confirm it is the essence chosen. Thanks again!

[strange python]

does anyone have a 8.2 bis list already

azerite pieces seem really bad for rogues in EP

[daring atlas]

it looks like memory of lucid is top right now by like ~1.2k (At least on my SIM).

Others getting same thing*?

[tropic ocean]

@strange python yes they do look pretty bad

the only decent piece is helmet from za'quul

but that I guess depends on how many allies have the loyal trait

if 8 ppl use it, it should be very veryb is

[valid spoke]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[strange python]

Yeah @tropic ocean I'm sure it will be mandatory for people which makes are options much more appealing

Especially when the non-rogue classes keep dying

[lethal seal]

are you guys sure about that kimbul thing? looking up 8.2 logs and its about 1,5% overall dmg

[hidden plinth]

whats your opinion to the set rings from mecha?

[tawny nimbus]

how do i find out my stat weights please?

[rigid mango]

Just sim using top geae instead

[tawny nimbus]

I assume punch cards are consumed when you add a new one? How do I sim without wasting the card? :/

[rigid mango]

the trinket looks very meh for sin anyways

[cobalt pelican]

it just uses

gemid's

[tawny nimbus]

!trinkets

[cobalt pelican]

so like in your simc string change trinket2=,id=167555,gem_id=167556/168752,bonus_id=1476,context=11 to whatever two card ids you want

the ids are the same as wowhead so

if it's forged you'd need to change the context but eh

[tropic ocean]

@lethal seal idk if details is broken or not but ingame it performs very well

[rigid mango]

Yes, every damaging trink got buffed by ~40%

[icy ember]

yo what about the second minor slot you unlock at 55? what power are we going for? another lucid dream? idk

[cobalt pelican]

condensed major lucid minor, blood major lucid minor, no idea really yet but those seem to be the general ideas

[rigid mango]

Optimally, swapping lucid major for life force and taking lucid minor

[cobalt pelican]

set in stone sims will be up long before you hit that point

[tropic ocean]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nkWZ6rLDP31XNxTh#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=5

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how that's currently simming the highest

[tropic ocean]

@lethal seal still more than decent

[rigid mango]

But at the same time life doesn't scale well

So we'll have to see

[icy ember]

idk someone in this discord said that you could take 2x lucid dream

if thats wrong correct me now

[rigid mango]

You can't take 2x (?)

[cobalt pelican]

you can't

[real bay]

lol

[cobalt pelican]

and the lucid major is pretty insignificant

[real bay]

thatd be so stupid

[nimble tartan]

lucid major is strong as heck bro

[rigid mango]

Not really

There're better

[tropic ocean]

Not anymore when you got access to raid gear and all r3

[cobalt pelican]

there's a reason lucid is getting moved to minor as soon as you possibly can

[rigid mango]

Yeah

I mean I've only seen sims w r3 stuff

[nimble tartan]

lucid main only bro

see u in 2020

[cobalt pelican]

i feel like a lot of poeple don't understand that you get the minor with the major or something

[rigid mango]

But prettt sure life maj + luc min is really foos

[cobalt pelican]

2020/170 energy

[nimble tartan]

bro i never waste energy

bro peep this https://i.imgur.com/hXxwODN.png

we out here gaining ENERGY

i think though itll be fight dependent i think lucid energy a lot more versatile off the bat

lower cd

lets u play around burst alot more

empowers our strengths

[cobalt pelican]

but that's the minor

[nimble tartan]

the golem big dude good too

naw the najor

[cobalt pelican]

no, that's the minor

[nimble tartan]

naw dude button

[cobalt pelican]

NO

[rigid mango]

The major doesn't give as much as other majors

[cobalt pelican]

AHHHHHHHHHH

[wide hedge]

the minor is more worth than the major since there are stronger majors, but only worse minors

[rigid mango]

You can go blood if you want burst

[nimble tartan]

i think its hot

i think blood not good

[rigid mango]

Blood seems aight

[nimble tartan]

its good on short fghts on farm

where i saw lucid was like not a good button

but lucid feels real good on those long ass fights

i know from the early initial sims the golem a little stronger than lucid but like i said i think lucid gives u a lot more flex

[dense minnow]

the problem with lucid major is that you dont need it while vendeta is up, and to boost 1 TB seems meh at best

[solid nova]

You don't use it with vendetta

[nimble tartan]

yea its fine u just press it when u need energy

feels fine to hold it

[solid nova]

Sub 50 energy seems decent

[nimble tartan]

like legit on uunat i felt like i had infinite energy

[icy ember]

ye AFAIK you only use it when you can no longer perform your rotation, outside of vendetta

[nimble tartan]

i was just like filling every global

SPEEDRACER

[dense minnow]

Minor takes care of your energy by itself

[nimble tartan]

i mean it helps forsure

[dense minnow]

why would you rank major so high then =?

[nimble tartan]

but u cant deny the power of all that energy from the major

[cobalt pelican]

i just did

[icy ember]

ye you cant deny the energy regen

[nimble tartan]

idk i gotta get my hands on the raid one and test it out but in my head i value the flex of the sick nasty energy regen think it empowers what makes us good

[cobalt pelican]

it's not a significant amount of energy compared to what the other majors do

[nimble tartan]

its a lot

[cobalt pelican]

it's really not

[dense minnow]

well i guess ppl will just disagree

[nimble tartan]

also im more thinking of long fights like in the 8-10 minute range

i cba for early fights

[icy ember]

[real bay]

why wouldnt you use it during vendetta, im only high on energy for like the first 5sec

not like you gte 9999 energy

[nimble tartan]

u do get a shitload of energy

[real bay]

no

40+ 60 over 20s

with NP

[nimble tartan]

i feel FAST BRO

u aint gotta ride the wave with me B)

[solid nova]

It's used when you're low on energy, that can also be within vendetta

But mindlessly just using it with vendetta isn't how it works

[nimble tartan]

yeah legit dont worry about holding it

[icy ember]

maybe toward the end of vendetta, when you no longer generate energy

[nimble tartan]

i was holdin it for like 10 seconds here and there

just cause its how it worked out

[dense minnow]

with minor Lucid you dont miss globals in Vendetta

[nimble tartan]

yeah the minor is strong

[dense minnow]

so most of the time you would waste it

[real bay]

not always lucky tbh to get refunds

[dense minnow]

i guess my PoV is from Troll anyway, also depends on your haste values

[nimble tartan]

yeah https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vmMaXV8THRDxn63q#fight=19&type=casts&view=timeline&source=30&ability=298357&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%24-1%24172932615.0.0.Rogue%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%2479140

i like never used them together basically

its more like a supplement to my entire rotation

idk it feels hot

i think as long as we can mantain triple double dose and an envenom trait in azerites its sick just lets u cast hella

gettin #value

[cobalt pelican]

well yea having energy feels good

that's always the case

[tropic ocean]

Wat is this argument

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[nimble tartan]

i dont think theres an argument

im just saying i luv dis major

and why i think its good !

[tropic ocean]

@real bay how? I start starving energy only during vendetta for last 20-25% 🤔

[nimble tartan]

imagine an add about to come out bro and u gotta burst it down and ur golem still has 1 minute on it and im out here throwin HAYMAKERS AT IT with my 2 minute cd

BOW BOW BOW ✊

[tropic ocean]

Ok cool

[flint star]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cobalt pelican]

how many drug you do dude

surf the waves man, gnarly

[tropic ocean]

switching to add as melee

Dont need

[dense minnow]

imagine criting for 125k with your evenom when you use your BotE then

[tropic ocean]

🤔

[nimble tartan]

bro i ride the crit rng from master assassin ONLY

and leech rank 3

bro

lucid dream is UTILITY BABY

and vers....

all that dr and healing...love that !

[tropic ocean]

Ok cool

[cobalt pelican]

but bro

vers doesnt give energy

what if y ou got MAD haste though like

and then you could swap your energy button for

[nimble tartan]

haste means more energy from pressing the button dude..

[cobalt pelican]

big boom button?

[nimble tartan]

aint nothin wrong with MORE ENERGY

LEECH

DR from VERS

im a lucid stan

life force u got someone else fighting ur battle for u not very bro of u

or w.e its called

[tropic ocean]

Pretty much what naked dude on meth ob the street told me

[nimble tartan]

dam that rank 3 minor from that life force is p good

gonna be nice to have that slotted in my minor slot

[real bay]

you definitely start to starve at 10s left on Vendetta unless lucky

just go to a dummy

[cobalt pelican]

use conflict of strife minor bro

[tropic ocean]

Maybe ur haste sux?

[nimble tartan]

lemme see what it is

[cobalt pelican]

gives vers

dr reduction

[real bay]

actually it doesnt, 21%

[cobalt pelican]

and make you alfa

[tropic ocean]

21% 😂

[nimble tartan]

yeah but bro....lucid gives me vers and energy refund

and LEECH

[real bay]

maybe you had hero

xd

[nimble tartan]

lemme see my healing on uunat

[tropic ocean]

Yea hero on dummy

[nimble tartan]

bro almost 500k from lucid memory..

[tropic ocean]

Confirmed

[nimble tartan]

legit saved my life

shoutout

the golem could never

[cobalt pelican]

no but that is a minor please stop pulling my leg mister

[nimble tartan]

yeah dude but get this

[real bay]

just go do it, either you get lucky with minor procs or you begin to starve

[nimble tartan]

cause i was spending more from my big button energy gain

i was gettin more chances

[cobalt pelican]

take that essence that has an azerite ball follow you around

so you can pretend its your pet

then when you crimson vial it expldoes

cause you're healing 2 much

[nimble tartan]

honestly look at this healing https://i.imgur.com/7uEpuWF.png

LUCID

kimbuls love that

even my pants healing me

[tropic ocean]

think the last time I was that excited was when my virgnity was taken

[nimble tartan]

[solid nova]

[rigid mango]

[tropic ocean]

@real bay idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9A6yijERIE

🤷

[steep oasis]

hello people wich benthic piece is best for upgrading first

[atomic willow]

the ones with sockets

[tropic ocean]

its pretty consistent for me at least, the first time I can't press another gcd is 5~7s

[sudden ocean]

is there any program that allows you to sim the punch card trinket yet?

[real bay]

prety much same for me, slows down after 10s++

[next sparrow]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[crystal vessel]

Does lucid make MFD viable?

[rigid mango]

No

[crisp steppe]

anyone try pocked sized computation device with subroutine optimizer and critvers yet?

[marble hemlock]

it doesnt proc often enough, if it happens twice during a bossfight and you lose all haste/mastery thats gonna suck

haste/mastery one might be interesting tho

[crisp steppe]

how about for m+ though. for AoE

[marble hemlock]

well yeah, its gonna be a slight dps increase for pure aoe if you just keep spamming fok

but i doubt its worth the lose if it procs in inopportune times

like on bosses or on prio-damage situations

losing all your mastery is a significant dps loss in these situations

and i doubt a bit more aoe is gonna make up for that timeloss

[crisp steppe]

aight

[tawny nimbus]

Ravenholdt guide says Haste > Crit > Mastery, but Raidbots says my weights are Mastery > Haste?

[marble hemlock]

ravenholdt is just a general guideline, raidbots with your specific gear and traits is going to be more accurate

[tawny nimbus]

ok gotcha, ty!

[deft nymph]

wouldn't really bother with simming stat weights though

unless you just want something to plug into pawn to have it, topgear all day

[woven summit]

Pawn has stat weights as well

[deft nymph]

pawn is just a tool to show your stat weights

unless you mean using the default ones, cause you reeeeaallly don't wanna do that

[woven summit]

How to change default ones?

To being more specific

[deft nymph]

well you can sim with raidbots and it will give you a string that you can import in pawn in the settings

but again, don't spend too much time bothering with stat weights

[woven summit]

I see, I'll check that out

[deft nymph]

just sim topgear

[woven summit]

Good sugestion

And aim for bis yeah

[deft nymph]

if you change your gemming/enchants based on weights, it's fairly likely that your weights will flip around

[woven summit]

True

[deft nymph]

so your weights say crit is best, you regem everything crit, how haste is best (random example)

[woven summit]

Yeah

It shifts constantly

[cosmic pier]

!essencechart

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

[crystal viper]

What Benethic Gear is good atm?

[rigid mango]

Socketed w good stats, socketed waist for abberation dmg or feet for crit

[crystal viper]

I have a dps boost threat belt is that the aberration or does it say something about aberration?

[rigid mango]

[strange python]

hahahah

[vernal fern]

is there only 1 type of benthic chest ? the one i have currently is only good for m+, tried to roll a few with pearl and only got the same trash

[ornate herald]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[woven summit]

wtf stat weights say mastery is my prio

[twilit portal]

same here

[woven summit]

I'm confused

[rigid mango]

Why is that shocking?

[woven summit]

Thought haste is my prio 😄

[rigid mango]

Haste is a volatile stat

[woven summit]

Guess wll need to change my gems to mastery

[rigid mango]

It's good until it's not

[woven summit]

and see whether i have some gear to use

[rigid mango]

Just sim your pieces

[woven summit]

yeah will do

I should not listen to pawn anymore on what gear is upgrade or not

[rigid mango]

No.

Stat weights are inacurrate

And change too often

Simming is the superior option

[woven summit]

does simc work correctly?

I see it was last updated May 28

But yeah you are completely right Zine

Will do that from now on

[rigid mango]

Yeah it does

[woven summit]

Cool, downloading now

[rigid mango]

I mean using raidbots

Is just as good

I prefer it tbh

[woven summit]

It requires simc to sim top gear

[rigid mango]

Ah ye the addon

Ye

[woven summit]

Nice, extracting now

[grizzled crypt]

ey someone do bg's for me, iam champ champ of azeroth

farm me those honor points boyes

[twin kite]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[merry zinc]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[woven summit]

Man I'm going to delete pawn. It says haste is my upgrade when it's not it's just distracting me with the green arrows

[tropic ocean]

You need to

[woven summit]

Yeah it's shit

[tropic ocean]

Update your stat weights in pawn

[woven summit]

ah yeah

I'll check the settings

[tropic ocean]

A tool is only as good as its user

[woven summit]

Where do you update it again?

[cosmic pier]

you have to update your stat weights every time you change a piece of gear, even then only use them as a rough gauge

/ pawn

[woven summit]

ok i'm there in option

[tropic ocean]

You copy it from raidbots

[cosmic pier]

then look for an impoort button

[tropic ocean]

Then add it in options on pawn

Theres an option to choose your own input string

[cosmic pier]

scale tab > import, then paste in the string from raidbots

[woven summit]

found it

[cosmic pier]

then when you wanna update the string, just paste from raidbots again and it will overwrite your old one

[woven summit]

what do you import btw?

simc?

ah from raidbots

it says pawn doesn't understand that tag

[hollow stone]

https://imgur.com/DdMAVrY

[woven summit]

WOOOOW

hahaha

😂

[tropic ocean]

On raidbots site theres a line where it even says string for pawn

🤷🏿‍♂️

[rigid mango]

Half of the discord in one gif

[celest swan]

hey form ur experience on ptr is there any boss its nice to have an rogue alt? and how does melee overall in the new raid

[rigid mango]

1st boss seems aight for melee, 3rd one too ig

[woven summit]

found it

thanks a lot for the help guys

[tropic ocean]

rogue is strong in new raid

But not as stromg that you should reroll from rdps

[visual quartz]

thats so good Applejuice😂

[fervent adder]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[solemn meadow]

tfw you have 75% crit

and you dont crit at all in your opener

[rigid mango]

[solemn meadow]

shit

don't make peepo cry

[short widget]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dark crag]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[plush remnant]

How's assassination looking for m+ this season compared to outlaw?

[rigid mango]

Good

Both specs look very good, it'll come down to affix

[plush remnant]

And I guess your traits, right?

[rigid mango]

Well, yes

[plush remnant]

As always lol

[rigid mango]

Assa is way more trait based

Than outlaw

[plush remnant]

Glad to hear it's more viable now

[rigid mango]

More viable?

Wdym

[plush remnant]

Well with season 2 outlaw seemed to do better not matter the affix at least in my experience

[solid nova]

Nah

[plush remnant]

But I also had shit traits for assa

NEver got to test it

[rigid mango]

I don't think that's true

[solid nova]

Sins been great for ages

People living under the Outlaw rock

[rigid mango]

Idd

[plush remnant]

Traits threw me under the rock :(

[rigid mango]

Like people don't realise outlaw was marginally better at the end

But the gap from sin > everyone else is hugr

[short depot]

what is better ? shrouded suffocation or double dose.... Sim said double dose but herodamage said shrouded

[rigid mango]

Depends for what

Raid? Probs dd

[short depot]

raid

[wild stone]

I'm using 3SS for questing

[rigid mango]

But ss is better for cleave

But generally 3 dd is the start of a very good set up

SS can be better at very short fights

[short depot]

Double dose is better in raid for long fight

[rigid mango]

Dd is better in general

Ss is better for cleave fights where you get 2-3 garrotes off per vanish

[rustic onyx]

for st double dose

for cleave ss

[high ruin]

do any of the sites have charts for the new trinkets?

[rigid mango]

How about checking them?

[opal meadow]

I don't see them on bloodmallet

[high ruin]

I don't see them on herodamage either

[opal meadow]

T24 info isn't on the sites though

[rigid mango]

[opal meadow]

When does simcraft generally release the next tier of sims?

[high ruin]

and Zine dude i don't know all the sites that's why i asked, but okay dude

[rigid mango]

I mean there're the two biggest that nearly everyone knows

Isn't it easier to just go check for yourself?

[high ruin]

whatever bro whatever gets ur rod hard

[rigid mango]

Uh huh

[dark crag]

Have you checked noxxic, maybe that fits you more

[high ruin]

zzz

[faint harness]

does noxxic still exist?

[rigid mango]

It does, just checked

[faint harness]

mr robot too?

[rigid mango]

Not going that deep

The guide ok noxxic is super meh

Like, epitome of vague

It's a joke in like, the entire community who can be arsed keeping this shit up and going

[faint harness]

This is true tho

[rigid mango]

Thing is it's telling people to take sub with no ss, etc

It's more vague and confusing if you're new

It's more vague and confusing if you're new

[faint harness]

the "bis list" doesnt seem bad tho. Dunno if we want TTK instead of NP tho (?)

[rigid mango]

It's bis

Just bec 3rd OP

There's no dd np op chest

[faint harness]

true, i have elemental whirl on mine

[rigid mango]

Closest is spymaster/mekka with dd np ele whirl

Ye same

But ttk + op > np + ele whirl

If there was a dd np op chest, we'd take ir

But looks like same thing in 8.2, zakuul head, goraks, cepha

[faint harness]

gotta love it

gambling for more azerite

[rigid mango]

Love rnging 2 pieces

[faint harness]

[rigid mango]

Can't wait for 4x sang monst ->