assassination

[rigid mango]

Because it has minor

Included

[solemn meadow]

was that to me Zine?

[rigid mango]

Those sims are also not very accurate

[solemn meadow]

Kimbul was buffed like 4x so I thought

maybe its gucchi now

[rigid mango]

Yeah

It seems aight

[solemn meadow]

better than dice?

probably not?

🤔

[rigid mango]

But I've also seen people say it's worse now

Lile

Buff gone

[solemn meadow]

🦀

[unique field]

if i run 1 shrouded suffication on posion build in my opener and vansih do i use garrote twice or do I still go for garrote then mutilate

[rigid mango]

Idk what poison build is

[solemn meadow]

with shrouded and subterfuge?

you go garrote rupture garrote

[rigid mango]

What he said

[unique field]

ok thabks

[rigid mango]

You garrote -> rup for energy and dmg -> garrote for pandemic increase

Idk man

Kimbuls might be aight on ST

[spice surge]

Kimbul was buffed by like 40%

Not 4x

as was every other trinket that does damage

[rigid mango]

You think it's good enough now?

Yeh

[fleet whale]

is haste no longer best stat for ST with lucid?

[rigid mango]

We'll have to wait and see

I can see it losing a bit of valur

[solemn meadow]

hmm

in the conclave try

[fleet whale]

cause it would be nice if we could basically just stack crit and mastery for both raid and M+

[solemn meadow]

kimbul did 4%

same as my toxic blade

🤔

its conclave tho

not pure st

[rigid mango]

It would be nice aye

[solemn meadow]

@spice surge ah my bad It's just what I heard sorry for the misinformation

[jovial aurora]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[winter gale]

Do I macro that Flame essence to Vendetta or?

[spice surge]

You use it on cd

[winter gale]

But on opener where do I put it in my rotation?

Im speaking about that main one u get from Highmountain guy

[spice surge]

On cd

Doesnt matter where you use it, it doesnt benefit from any damage increases or anything

[winter gale]

Ty m8

[hollow stone]

Just save it to heal yourself just in case (kidding)

[limber dew]

anyone got any ti[s on essences yet?

[spice surge]

Lucid ST

[winter gale]

Btw anyone knows are tidy plates updated?

[vestal wren]

lucid is super good for sin

i did not expect lucid to be better for sin then sub

[rigid mango]

The minor yes, major meh

Can't wait to replace it

[vestal wren]

lucid major is also rly good

[rigid mango]

Afaik what I've seen major been meh, no?

[tribal marlin]

Flame doesn't stack it seems

[rigid mango]

There're others beating it

Iirc

[vestal wren]

rank 1 major beats all other rank 1ns

[spice surge]

In my sims major was worth like 1.6k, whereas the minor (r3) was worth like 2.4k

[tribal marlin]

Is simc actually take in account that it does stack ?

[vestal wren]

also most rank 2's (maybe all?)

[spice surge]

Also fuu, why did you consider iris to be good

[vestal wren]

bc. it sims good

[spice surge]

It looks so awful to me, since it blocks you from casting spells

[rigid mango]

I thought major looked meh

[spice surge]

On aoe that is

[acoustic atlas]

Flames was doing like 4% of my damage last night in raid. Can’t wait to try LD

[tribal marlin]

I did a few sim ysterday and Flame was pretty high on sims, when I tested on PTR the minor passiv was stacking, but it looks like it doesn't stack anymore (only refresh duration)

[vestal wren]

it sims super high on aoe

[rigid mango]

Looking at flame/blood/life

[glossy galleon]

is there a tier list for the new trait relic slot thingies?

[rich wren]

doesn't it start to stack at higher rank?

it does, at rank 3

inside proving grounds everything is r3, so

[solid nova]

!essrank

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Major Essence ranking:
ST: Lucid > Iris > crucible > condensed > blood'
AoE: Iris > purification >= blood > condensed >lucidn
Note: This might change slightly with gear and essence rank, do a sim.

[rocky ruin]

Does anyone have lucid rank 1 already?

[rigid mango]

Yes

NA people

2 days for r1, 10 for r2

[rocky ruin]

we will get rank 1 tomorrow?

[spice surge]

Although r2' is fairly useless

[rigid mango]

Vers on proc for minor

Looks pretty good

[spice surge]

Thats on r3

right=

[rigid mango]

Ye

Oh I'm

Nvm

Ye r2 looks pretty meh

It's decent for major

Adding on 25% of duration aint bad

[fiery cradle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wErwaKkMckKDr7p7HNFusW mastery 2 stronk

[woven summit]

You think some banthik gear will be BIS for raiding and keys?

[rigid mango]

Feet with crit+ look decent

Depends what you raid/intend on raiding

[fiery cradle]

is the crit boots a set %?

i know the belts 2%

for aberration damage

[woven summit]

Im not a fan of this. Just give me regular items and leave me alone. That is where I come from :D

Want to win one PVP Island expedition. What build you go here? Aoe build?

[open reef]

what new enchant you recommend to use atm ?

[woven summit]

Forced Multiplier on main hand

And quick or deadly on off

[open reef]

okx

depends on simc

i guess

[woven summit]

Yeah

[open reef]

thx ❤

[empty tide]

man, just got lucid and it feels so good

[vestal wren]

eu will have it tomorrow

[dire lintel]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[proud compass]

mmm

[opal oyster]

Should i focus on get Azsh'ari Stormsurger Cape?

[solemn meadow]

@woven summit builds dont matter really I went outlaw

and you just go super scumbag mode

best to have a tank in your group

just play super safe collect collect collect

and if you have a paladin tank let him annoy the enemies

[woven summit]

Outlaw is great actually

[solemn meadow]

We had an enemy paladin tank earlier in pvp islands he just stayed alive for ages

[woven summit]

You got both ST and Aoe

[solemn meadow]

always tried to pick up stuff

has 2 bubbles and did insane dmg

• cc

ye but your mass aoe is not that great anymore

since they nerfed wits

[woven summit]

Ah that sucks

[solemn meadow]

its still good

but not like eh 1 button 100k dps while doing nothing

[woven summit]

Yeah just not OP as it was

[solemn meadow]

Now stacks once per instance of Blade Flurry dealing damage (was once for every target Blade Flurry hits). Each stack now provides 5% Sinister Strike chance (was 2%).

[woven summit]

I see

[barren sleet]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[solemn meadow]

but thats for #outlaw

for assa in pvp islands I would just go full st and nuke elites

or to nuke players

[woven summit]

Yeah i might go ST

[solemn meadow]

but if you dont wanna pvp at all you probably should just go 3x echo

[woven summit]

Im with 3x echo right now and one NP for nuking

[solemn meadow]

Does anyone know if we get a full NP on vision proc?

or is that reduced aswell

[spice surge]

Its reduced as well

So its a 7s dot

[solemn meadow]

how much energy does it generate then

[spice surge]

So visions is incredibly mediocre

[solemn meadow]

is that reduced aswell?

[spice surge]

yes

[solemn meadow]

I see

[spice surge]

Its a 7s buff

[solemn meadow]

hmm

and having it less cd with the minor doesnt matter that much either

[spice surge]

The minor is literally a dps downgrade if you use it when its ready

So its exactly 0 gain if you hold

[solemn meadow]

atm I play with blood and it's weird since it will have 1,5min and vendetta + vanish have 2min

[spice surge]

Hold it for vendetta

[solemn meadow]

and if you have vision minor too then still

you need vanish 2min

ye ye

I am doing this opener would you say its correct?

garrote muti rupt vendetta blood tb muti if less than 4 cp vanish envenom?

like blood before tb

[spice surge]

ye blood before tb

[solemn meadow]

I like blood alot tbh

Legion rogue is so much more fun not having so much random crits in my opener

I mean it still varies from 40k crits to 70k crits

but atleast it's a crit

[spice surge]

Theres a pot that gives 20% crit for 25s too btw

[solemn meadow]

oh I guess that would make blood useless

but the crit damage on level 3

seems really good

[spice surge]

No lol

[solemn meadow]

not?

[spice surge]

Do you have 80% crit? 😄

[solemn meadow]

sounds good to my ears but I am not a theorycrafter

I mean in the opener I have 100%

with blood

everytime I use blood I should have 100% crit

[spice surge]

Blood gives 25, pot gives 20, thats 45

[solemn meadow]

Master Assassin

[spice surge]

You dont have 55% crit baseline, yes with MA you get it

But thats for 3s

[solemn meadow]

I mean you get 2 big envenoms + you still have 50% crit for 7s after

I just thought its alot better than most activatables

but I heard the pet is bis so

or atleast looks to be the best major atm

the raid one I believe

[spice surge]

We'll have to see though, atleast blood is one of the best majors

Ye guardian looks better

But we'll have too see

[solemn meadow]

I only dislike flame

[spice surge]

But not by a huge margin, and blood scales so much better

[solemn meadow]

I want to see the beam in aoe

90k over 2secs or so to all in front of u

[spice surge]

If anything im expecting guardian early on and then a swap to blood

Its over 3.5/4s, depending on rank

[solemn meadow]

Do the new fights look like alot of aoe? cleave?

I havent looked at palace

[buoyant coyote]

https://gyazo.com/2d75db0f4a3853e08c373e0c47b665dd

[faint harness]

i noticed something hopefully unintentional with lucid dreams

[solemn meadow]

gratz man

[faint harness]

very often it procs on sap

[solemn meadow]

@buoyant coyote

[faint harness]

so you're unstealthed

[spice surge]

lmao

[faint harness]

really annoying in pvp

you try to sap someone and you get out of stealth

gg

[solemn meadow]

I love how the bodyguards not get stealth correctly either

They sometimes just run next to you unstealthed and pull everything

[spice surge]

Mine didnt, did you choose the rogue one?

[royal lantern]

there is a rogue one:?

[faint harness]

i took vim and it stealths with me

[buoyant coyote]

we had 280 wipes

[royal lantern]

for alliance it is a shaman a warrior/hunter and a guy with 2swords

[spice surge]

Unlucky for you, hordes have a rogue one

[royal lantern]

ofc horde gets all the good things again /s

[woven summit]

Cool I won the expedition the first one i lost terribly the second I won comfortably

[royal lantern]

isnt the best way too do a pvp island

have good EQ-> kill stuff fast

[solemn meadow]

I choose the first one

the goblin one that increases your crit dmg at max

and has a disorient

[echo jay]

Grats @buoyant coyote

[remote oak]

Grats!

[solemn meadow]

why is this not called honkhonk

[short jacinth]

Force with quick

SIM tho

[royal lantern]

the new echants are out allready :o?

[solemn meadow]

Does anyone know what the buff is called

[short jacinth]

@royal lantern yes

[spice surge]

Force multiplier @solemn meadow

Both of them

[solemn meadow]

eh sorry I meant buff from Blood

the haste buff

[spice surge]

Well why would you track that one

[solemn meadow]

I wanna know the uptime

of the haste buff

[spice surge]

It has 0 impact on your gameplay decisions

Just check logs for uptime

[royal lantern]

w8, force multiplier on both weapons eleem? or did i read that wrong?

[spice surge]

Na

Both of the buffs are called force multiplier

[royal lantern]

force+highest secondary then i gues

[solemn meadow]

wait we use force strike?

gale force

my bad

new enchant?

[short jacinth]

Yup

[limber dew]

anyone know how to Macro the essences?

[royal lantern]

new enchants pots gems and flask

[solemn meadow]

wait Bara you from aversion?

[royal lantern]

cus you dont want too have gold

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/tyzto.jpg

[short jacinth]

Nope

[solemn meadow]

oh lol

[spice surge]

Enchants arent even expensive

[solemn meadow]

old guildmate of mine is called bara aswell

[spice surge]

Its the exact same mats as before

[solemn meadow]

players for aversion

[short jacinth]

Oh lol

[solemn meadow]

plays*

[spice surge]

No new mats so not expensive to enchant

[strange python]

it has roughly 50% uptime

[solemn meadow]

what do it do

oh

I am stupid

[short jacinth]

Eleven just posted

Lol

[solemn meadow]

ye I didn't see

we want one on mainhand?

[spice surge]

Doesnt matter which hand

[solemn meadow]

better than quick or masterful is the question for me

but I can't sim since I dont have patreon

probably takes ages in the queue

[spice surge]

It has roughly 50% uptime

[royal lantern]

eh, just put it on my weapons+deadly

weapons gonna get replaced on the new raid anyway sooooo.....

[solemn meadow]

https://i.imgur.com/AOQb76I.png

look at me

doing heal logs

[white basalt]

best way to use lucid dreams?

[solemn meadow]

probably in vendetta

since you drop under 50 energy in vendetta aswell

[hollow stone]

Like 75% of our raid group got "rank 1" on jaina cause of the log reset for 8.2. Looked hilarious (most of them were 1 out of 3 or 4) lol @solemn meadow

[heavy charm]

were there any issues with jaina? heard there were some bugs

[hollow stone]

Nah. Just messed up timings cause of more dps

We skipped 2nd barrel

[heavy charm]

yea i could see that

[hollow stone]

Pushed p1 with time to spare before 2nd ring. That really threw off cooldown timings

[solemn meadow]

well mekka was buggy as hell

but no patch is bugfree anyway

[buoyant coyote]

^_^

[solemn meadow]

for example mekka makes tanks big

and casts 1 world enlarger

but nothing happens

the one before the intermission

[cosmic pier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qAeTrZoVwbvNRASGNfLxGL friendship ended with haste, mastery is my new best friend

[tough whale]

We had one bug on jaina where someone went to clear a bomb and got stuck in the bomb carrying animation

[rich wren]

damn, that's a big vigor

mine is 415 socket and I want to replace it badly

[tough whale]

awful trinket tbh

[cosmic pier]

i don't mind it now im used to it

takes some adjusting though

[tame cobalt]

can i get three of these for trinket?

[tough whale]

i wouldnt mind it if it was.. good

no

see how it says yellow

look @ your punchcard sockets

[rich wren]

is that real

[tough whale]

Yeah its real

[tame cobalt]

oh 3 colors i see

this trinket is overall good right?

if i get good punchcards?

[tough whale]

it depends what you socket it with and what you are comparing it with

[tame cobalt]

just came back to the game so just interested in its power

[spice surge]

Its decent bu not overly good atm, since most of the powerful sockets are from the dungeon

[tough whale]

^

[spice surge]

Which is not available yet

[tough whale]

i dont think itll beat m+ / lurkers

[fresh robin]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vestal wren]

@tame cobalt is that from ptr?

[grim canopy]

im confused about benthic gear, is it useless for Sin it has no crit

or are the stats random

[crisp steppe]

for m+ when running echoing blades crit is a must have. theres no problem not having crit on some pieces in raid gear

[tame cobalt]

@vestal wren no just crafted it

[vestal wren]

how can it be 425 O.o

[grim canopy]

but if i keep rolling another benthic peice canit have diff stats

[meager nebula]

They can forge apparently fuu

[crisp steppe]

@tame cobalt is that a result from the 395 crafted thing

@grim canopy no

[meager nebula]

Even though they aren't supposed to

[grim canopy]

which ones for rogue have crit

[crisp steppe]

google leather benthic gear

[grim canopy]

i did its a mess atm

[tame cobalt]

ill run to the guy and ss what i did @crisp steppe @vestal wren

[grim canopy]

the wowhead page just tells u the 4 ones but not which class

[crisp steppe]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/benthic-gear-effects-nazjatar#benthicarmor-leather

@tame cobalt thx ❤

[grim canopy]

yeah im on that

for bracers there are 4

which is rogues?

[crisp steppe]

Ah I see

im not sure then honestly.

[grim canopy]

maybe any of the 4 can roll

[tame cobalt]

@crisp steppe

doesnt say anything about ilvl or so

[crisp steppe]

❤ thanks. I don't think I have the recipe yet but ill make sure to check

[tame cobalt]

@vestal wren second craft. So 415 base i guess

[thin lagoon]

lucid minor procs... a lot

[meager nebula]

That's pretty nice

[thin lagoon]

I can get used to this

[vestal wren]

didnt know craft can warforge

O.o

nice

[cedar zephyr]

Can we craft any blue?

[tame cobalt]

only have this and both are yellow, so i guess every one got different recipe

[tough whale]

You can also get forged from drops on the rare mobs

[thin lagoon]

damn

[vestal wren]

yes, i just didnt know crafted gear can warforge, there is a diffrence between creating it manual or getting a drop

[tame cobalt]

and if you swap worse card with better trinket ilvl gets better but show worse card for some reason

[meager nebula]

Huh

[spice surge]

Normal crafted gear cant

[dusty basalt]

ew

[spice surge]

I guess those punchcards are different

[hybrid laurel]

hey!, just before 8.2 i was swapping to assa rogue...until now i was prioritizing haste to crit and mast, but been reading that lucid its pretty good, so that means mast will be the main stat? (I'll focus on ST)

[meager nebula]

Probably should fix once you get a blue

To fix the ilvl issue

[tame cobalt]

hope so

[meager nebula]

Otherwise slam a bug report on that

If it doesn't

[tough whale]

Worth simming often as you change essences and gear @hybrid laurel

[dusty basalt]

Are we supposed to combine lucid dreams with vendetta? or just tox blade?

[tame cobalt]

yes will do that. And i guess as it is warforged it can titanforge @vestal wren

[grim canopy]

which of the benethic peices are good for Sin

[crisp steppe]

it appears you can get that specific recipe from a bundle of recyclable parts. which you get by combining hardened spring with some other ingredients

[tame cobalt]

where can u get other colors? @crisp steppe

[rotund stone]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[trim forge]

If you only sin for WQ & world PvP ... 2 xTTk, 2 x SS, and .... 2x EB?

[crisp steppe]

@tame cobalt not sure.

[woven summit]

Any special time when to use crucible?

Or just on CD

[spice surge]

On cd

It doesnt benefit from anything

[civic palm]

@harsh sphinx If you don't @ me I won't see iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!! and yeah I am using CoF for most things atm, saving the 3 stack for PVP burst > _>"

[harsh sphinx]

tried lining it up with TB window felt kinda weird

[civic palm]

That shit is hilarious though.

Ven Kidney Vanish/MA ENV+CoF

pop

[meager nebula]

pop

[civic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/community-poppop-gif-3565302

[woven summit]

Yeah Crucible is very straightforward

[spice surge]

It doesnt benefit from vendetta nor MA

So thats unfortunate

[civic palm]

Yeah but ENV does > _>

But yeah scaling has been an issue for Blizzard "recently".

So I can see them working with proc rates over DMG scaling to try and bring things in line.

[sullen pagoda]

why did i even use blood essence today

[civic palm]

This reminds me that I can macro CoF with trinkeeeeets.

[harsh sphinx]

did it feel weird @sullen pagoda or didn't have lucid?

[sullen pagoda]

eu so no lucid

[harsh sphinx]

ah got ya

[tame cobalt]

isnt blood better than lucid?

[sullen pagoda]

nah blood is pretty mehish idk

[fleet whale]

in st blood isn't that great

it's really good in aoe though

[harsh sphinx]

used it in islands was blaster

[inner tree]

is https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=essences legit ?

[civic palm]

Mostly, sure.

[fleet whale]

also the minor alone would make lucid bis i think with only one essence slot

[sullen pagoda]

idk i dont put a lot of faith in bloodmallet

[civic palm]

Mostly > _>"

[fleet whale]

they are fine for the most part

[tame cobalt]

do we all upgrade essence same way?

[inner tree]

thank jesus blood is trash

[sullen pagoda]

why

id rather have blood than flame flame is just so boring to play

[fleet whale]

flame might be boring but it's effective, and it is way better with two charges

[inner tree]

the problem is how you obtain it not gameplay

[fleet whale]

i guess i got lucky but getting blood wasn't that big of a deal

and i'm alliance 😛

[tame cobalt]

good thing i have all three of them already 😄

[civic palm]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[warm parcel]

Essences still have 0 apl

So they are just used on cd

[civic palm]

Not even use on CD?

Just blank?

mmm

[warm parcel]

Only condition being you have applied rupture, aka you are playing the game

[civic palm]

Course.

Poisons On.

[fleet whale]

when i tried to sim on raidbots earlier it my essence didn't even exist

[warm parcel]

A lot of the stuff is still in the works

[fleet whale]

it does have new potions food etc however

but that's stuff is easy

[warm parcel]

Also default profile is rocking one NP, where vision would obviously like 3

And then you have sync or not to sync

Just give it a day or two

[civic palm]

Ye also make sure to cover the obvious stuff.

As it can be easy to miss it sometimes.

[vestal carbon]

Lucid dreams or crucible of flame?

[civic palm]

Foooor?

[vestal carbon]

m+ or raiding

[spice surge]

Lucid for ST

[civic palm]

That's two very different things!!

CoF also doesn't perform very well in Multi-target.

[vestal carbon]

so lucid best in both

[spice surge]

ye, or well blood should be better in aoe when you have eb traits

[civic palm]

Yarrr.

[rigid mango]

Very assassination of you

[fallow cypress]

!Essence

[spice surge]

Lucid @fallow cypress for ST

Also for anybody curious, it seems like the best way to use lucid is TO NOT line it up with vendetta, but just to use it when you're low on energy

see https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5pgq9J2JmjfGfcKzAgcZXS (NOTE THIS IS WITH MY CHARACTER with roughly 1.7k haste)

[rigid mango]

I wonder if there's any ess that contends with blood

M+ wise

[tough whale]

purification protocol is pretty thic

[rigid mango]

Myeh gonna come down to numbers ig

[tough whale]

just like everything else

[rigid mango]

I mean, what I just said was entierly too

It's not about numbers in the end

More what's most valuable dmg probs

@marble hemlock you think blood is auto pick or do you have a contender?

[marble hemlock]

iris

[rigid mango]

[vestal wren]

iris seems super high in damage

it sims atm super high in aoe, its worth to keep an eye on it.
tho as eleem pointed out in #tc-research we cant check if implementation is 100% right

[rigid mango]

Just a question of whether that crit dmg with eb's is worth about 105k dmg or not

[stable plinth]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vestal wren]

iirc its per target damage

so it should scale well with multiple targets

[rigid mango]

Yeah

I know that

[vestal wren]

its just a question if its worth the lost time

[rigid mango]

Well even more so

If eb empowered foks with blood can keep up

With 126k burst to all target

[bleak spoke]

Paradoxically I think until rank 3 it’s worth less with every target you add

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

Cuz after a certain point you’ll find the fok crits anyway

And the echoes always crit

[rigid mango]

Oh shit

The crit dmg

Isn't until r3

Iris here I come

[spice surge]

Yeah the more targets you add the better the comparison becomes for eb

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

its an intressting essence for sure

[rigid mango]

I mean until r3 blood can't be that much better if even at all

[vestal wren]

blood seems a bit overrated from early sims

ofc apl could improve slightly there

[rigid mango]

It looks good from some of them

I mean I doubt it'll be worth while running until r3

[spice surge]

The one i linked in #tc-research has 1k more dps with blood by using it with vendetta

From 1.7k to 2.7k 😄

[rigid mango]

Yeh

It looks v underrated for ST

[vestal wren]

also essence synergie might play a role

lucid might be rly good for blood

[rigid mango]

I don't see it being that much better

[spice surge]

Lucid for everything

[vestal wren]

its just that you can get more gcd's in the window

on st

[rigid mango]

I mean if you're using blood during vend, you're not losing that many blood gcd's

And that being said, need to be lucky getting procs at the right times too

I still dunno the ppm/% proc on lucid min

[chrome quartz]

Blood major + Vision minor is interesting for me

[rigid mango]

Blood/flame/life + lucid minor is gonna be the play probs

[spice surge]

I looked into it a bit more, apparently not holding vendetta might be the play

Idk what changed in simc but i did the exact same sim yesterday and it showed the other thing

[chrome quartz]

What about holding blood for vendetta

[spice surge]

Havent checked

But im pretty sure anything that doesnt have lucid minor

Is not the play

For sT

[wooden fog]

@spice surge Just to clarify, do we use lucid when low on energy and do everything normally?

[spice surge]

Yes, no lining it up or anything

If you have low energy, (<50) use lucid

Which means holding it for the duration of BL

[wooden fog]

Okay that's what I thought from ur Sims. Okay that also makes sense, perhaps having a TB in the window is optimal

[vast monolith]

Any changes about azerite traits?

[rigid mango]

Nop

[stiff flint]

just that asn > OLaw 😛

[rigid mango]

What?

Not really

[white basalt]

Wait so dont use Lucid during BL since it will definitely waste energy?

[rigid mango]

You use it when u get under 50 energy

And you don't during BL

[arctic walrus]

Is ludic > flame r1?

[opaque tree]

Yes

[rigid mango]

Yrs

ST, yes

[royal lantern]

hows our opener with blood?

vendetta->blood->tb now?

[arctic walrus]

what about blood? it beating out the other 2 atm? on cleave at least

[sly flume]

Did somebody try out lucid with 3x echoing blades ?

[rigid mango]

Lucid with 3 eb

[sly flume]

[rigid mango]

@arctic walrus in any constant low target fight, lucid is nuts

I don't really see the reason for lucid w eb

At all

[white basalt]

So lucid for jaina prog eh? Also fellow rogues please pray for my group 2nite

[rigid mango]

Lucid for any raid shir

[unborn vapor]

Can iris be unlocked now or do we have to wait til s3?

[white basalt]

U can get lucid now

Well if you did your 3 follower dailies yesterday

Gotta do 6 follow dailies

[royal lantern]

only for NA plebs

[rigid mango]

He asked about iris tho

[sly flume]

wowhead says that iris is not out yet

[cobalt gyro]

u can probably get unbound force today

[spring pagoda]

for m+ , 3* SF +1 Echoing blade or 1* SF + 2* echoing blade + blightborne infusion ?

[sly flume]

honored on day two ?

[cobalt gyro]

still have WQ and quests to do

[sly flume]

im 1,5k into friendly in eu atm

after doing everyting + rare drop luck

[rigid mango]

@spring pagoda what's SF and why do you only have 4 traits

[spring pagoda]

@rigid mango shrouded suffocation for SF , and the last piece is shit anyway so i m gonna change it and dont know what i ll have yet 😄

i realise shrouded suffocation isnt SF 😄

[rigid mango]

Ah we normally use SS for that

[spring pagoda]

yeah my bad , tired ^^

[rigid mango]

Probs 2nd option imo

[fallow cypress]

Any word on new enchants simming better?

[lost mist]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[rigid mango]

New ench seems bis

[spring pagoda]

generally speaking u want at least 1 SS iirc , but is 3 worth it ? the damage boost isnt that great right ?

[rigid mango]

Take it + highest simming stat

It's decent

[fallow cypress]

thought so! thanks

[rigid mango]

But I'd rather have 2-3 EB

[karmic kite]

are we using focused resolve or agi pot?

[rigid mango]

Crit one looks nutty

[spice surge]

For ST focused resolve

Is absolutely insane

[blissful saddle]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[ivory light]

can you obtain lucis now or you trying on ptr?

lucid*

[rigid mango]

You can if NA

[spice surge]

Lucid is available after 2 days of questing in nazjatar

[rigid mango]

2 days for r1

10 for r2

[spice surge]

Can be less zine

[sly flume]

20 for r3

and 87 for r4 ^^

[rigid mango]

Can be?

[spice surge]

From the treasure chests you can open with the scrying stones

You can get a drop that gives 150xp to all of your bodyguards

[rigid mango]

Hm ok

Well

If ur just questing

[sly flume]

Is there a addon for all the chests ?

[spice surge]

Dont think so, but whenever you open them you get a buff

And one of those buffs is that they show up on the minimap

Theres like 5 or so in total, so you get it pretty fast, and theres chests literally everywhere

[sly flume]

You just pop the stone and run around ?

[spice surge]

ye

Only lasts 5 mins

So gotta go fast

[sly flume]

yeah thats why i wanted a map :D

Dont want to waste them

[spring pagoda]

mayeb handy notes ?

[unborn vapor]

The reason i ask about iris is you can't get r4 without the s3 card achieve but is r1 and 2 still gated behind the start of s3? I looked but didmt find my answer

[rigid mango]

Yes, it seems so

[sly flume]

I heared somewhere that you NEED rank 1 for get the others

even if you get the requirements for the other ranks you cant get them

[unborn vapor]

Hmm. Okay

[rigid mango]

Until r1 is done?

[austere wadi]

So guides are saying lucid isnt great and sims are showing it as #1, am I missing something here? Or is lucid just hard to manage with other energy gen sources like NP?

[rigid mango]

Lucid good

Take for st

[vapid scarab]

you can get r2 if you haven't done r1 but you need to get r3 if you want to get r4

[rigid mango]

There you go

[vapid scarab]

is what it was saying

[sly flume]

There should already be logs with lucid right ?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[spice surge]

If you find any let me know

[sly flume]

yeah just check logs ^^

ill take a look

[short token]

when do we pop lucid? on cd?

[fleet whale]

this might just be feels craft but i seem to like to use just as vendetta ends

[austere wadi]

I agree but not as it ends as much as you energy starve in last 1/2 on ven

[fleet whale]

yeah, that's probably better

[short token]

so pop near end of vend

[fleet whale]

i just don't like to stack them right at the same time

[rigid mango]

@short token pop when at under 50 energy

Irregardless of sync

[short token]

ok, so in or out of vend pop on cd when under 50 energy?

[rigid mango]

Yep

Just not in BL

[spice surge]

You can do it in bl

Just as long as you have low energy

Pop it

[rigid mango]

Seems like giga waste

[fleet whale]

if you can smash your keys

it can be used during BL

[rigid mango]

Myeh fair

[white basalt]

Idk I cap energy already during BL with vendetta

[austere wadi]

I also feel like you cant turn globals fast enough in bl to really utilize it. That being said still prob better to get it on cd so you can keep in sync with ven

[white basalt]

And smashing hard

[austere wadi]

^

[fleet whale]

I mean capping energy obviously isn't ideal, but it's probably gonna happen from time to time with lucid

[cobalt gyro]

it isn't a loss if you're gcd capped

[austere wadi]

I feel like this essence raised DD value drastically.

[fleet whale]

yeah they def compliment one another

[sly flume]

Yeah its weird that something is actually good

[fleet whale]

a lot of things are good

[sly flume]

yeah i know, and its nice to see some good changes

[short token]

besides the trinkets has any other major changes occurred for like gearing? we're still DD/NP for the most part?

[white basalt]

Any of you changed your azerite to fit lucid better? I've been happy with mine but perhaps more DD would be the way to go

[spice surge]

You already wanted 3x DD, cant get more than that

[short token]

i've run triple DD since 8.1

so yeah i'd say DD is the way to go lol

[white basalt]

I think I only have 1 dd lol

[short token]

i haven't played at all with lucid, tonight's raid will be the first time

[bleak spoke]

I played blood of the enemy last night gonna try lucid tonight

[fleet whale]

this is actually a good week to get rank 2 of BOTE cause of the weekly event

[prisma beacon]

if u gonna multidot lucid is not worth cause u wont drop often under 50 energy

[short token]

what's the aoe trait we take?

[prisma beacon]

on a st fight it feels pretty nice

[white basalt]

Can someone roast my azerite choices. For jaina btw https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/Brainblast

[rigid mango]

I'd check if bbi sims higher than 3rd np

You don't have 3 dd which is kinda bad

[white basalt]

Bbi?

[lament oak]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[white basalt]

My current setup is what sims highest in my bags so idk.

[untold zinc]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[jovial vault]

@white basalt blightborne infusion

And id resim your traits with MA over subterfuge for jaina

[white basalt]

I'll check. I feel like I mistakenly passed on some azerite some point this season

[jovial vault]

Subterfuge is fine but MA will pull ahead

[white basalt]

I did the patchwork and subterfuge simmed like 100 dps higher. But that was before essence so let's see

Shouldnt have an affect if we aren't using lucid during ma right? Or would the idea be to use the lucid before vanishing?

[slender urchin]

Is there a way on raidbots to change your essence

[spice surge]

Scroll up

[jovial vault]

You only use lucid if your below 50 energy

[white basalt]

Simmin

[arctic walrus]

So you don't pop lucid during vend?

[spice surge]

Scroll up

[white basalt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p2cr4MPNn2db9KQEpGdTb2

Its favoring subterfuge for me.

[jovial vault]

Replace the shrouded

[spice surge]

Ofc, because you have shrouded

[white basalt]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[civic meteor]

So with Lucid you want 3 DD and an NP ?

[white basalt]

Thx guys

[rigid mango]

Sure, toss in BiS azerite with BiS ess sounds pretty good

[errant viper]

Any recommendations on which benthic gear to go for, guys?

Like, any particular pieces got more potential than others? 😮

[fleet whale]

i just got pants with haste/mastery on them cause it was my lowest ilvl piece

and boosted them up to 415

[rigid mango]

Feet with crit stuff seem pretty good

Same with waist for abberations

[spice surge]

Although you want belt from aszhara

Im pretty sure

[white basalt]

Damn u can get a 415 already?

[fleet whale]

yeah, it's not that hard

[rigid mango]

Which one's that eleem?

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/sfwyu.jpg

[errant viper]

Wouldn't something with haste be better for ST?

[fleet whale]

perhaps not with lucid

[spice surge]

Its split between all of you

And other classes have haste ones

But if all 20 of you have these things

[rigid mango]

Can I just

[spice surge]

Getting 900+ stats every 2 mins

Is GIGA

[rigid mango]

Not have anyone else get it?

[errant viper]

Gotcha

[rigid mango]

Pls?

[spice surge]

If you all get it

Its better

[errant viper]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[spice surge]

Since it splits

[errant viper]

Lucid as minor, according to Guide, right?

[rigid mango]

Well no choice yet

But yeah, later

[dense blaze]

Lucid feels so nice, big fan

[spice surge]

Its also every 2 mins

Which is since it lines up with vend

[errant viper]

Trying to farm up blood right now xD

[fleet whale]

the only thing i don't like about lucid is the fact that i will probably like it so much and be sad when it's gone after bfa

[royal lantern]

blood feels weird cus of the gcd it does imo

[dense blaze]

Best way to use is after the energy from Vendetta dries up?

[royal lantern]

you spend 2seconds with buffing with blood

[prisma carbon]

lucid > crucible?

[rigid mango]

For st, yes

[royal lantern]

crucible is pretty medicore tbh

[fleet whale]

it's not that bad

[rigid mango]

It's p good according to some sims

[spice surge]

Nah flames is good

But lucid is better

[fleet whale]

especially when you get two charges

[weary sequoia]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tribal marlin]

I still concern about flame

Because on PTR it was able to stack

[spice surge]

Thats r3 yes

[tribal marlin]

the dot was stacking if it would have proc multiple time

[spice surge]

oh

[tribal marlin]

it seems that now, it doesn't

[vestal carbon]

whats the best enchant right now?

[tribal marlin]

If sims are made assuming the dot was stacking

it do a very consequent difference

[rotund pier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Wg3CkjTTt2auG6XoAaqm7

that good atm?

[vestal carbon]

is force multiplier best enchant?

[rigid mango]

No clue what a good sim is with current ess sims etc

[rotund pier]

i thought essences werent simming in raidbots atm?

[spice surge]

They are

[rotund pier]

sweet

[spice surge]

Unstable doesnt mean that it doesnt work

[rotund pier]

using lucid but have the 4 other ones u can get atm

dont know if its worth it breaking our backs pvping for rank 2 and 3 of blood tho

[fleet whale]

i just ran a sim and lucid dream wasn't anywhere to be seen in the breakdown of the sim

[rotund pier]

@vestal carbon I'd assume so, but not much. I.e. it only sims 100 dps higher for me atm

[spice surge]

Well its eh

They work but not in default apl

So its a bit wonky

[nimble tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i8ZprkgzPqJ1by6q2ugvSG#0

RISE UP GAMERS

[midnight flower]

?

I’m already standing

[nimble tartan]

good posture!!

[ocean rain]

@fiery flower 👀

[rotund pier]

Mastery king

😛

[strange python]

Lucid feels so strong

[marble elm]

shadowstepping the main boss on blockade puts you in the water now

[strange python]

git fukt

[hasty brook]

where can I find the best essences for sin?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[meager nebula]

!essence

[hasty brook]

ah ok. not much atm it seems. oh well

[shy dust]

Lucid dreams dreams feels so nice to use

[hasty brook]

where do you get that from now?

nvm I see it

[dense blaze]

Is this new weapon enchant good

[spice surge]

yes

[steel wagon]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[hasty brook]

!enchants

[keen elk]

How are y’all using Lucid’s active on the opener? Throwing it in before the vendetta/lurkers macro>vanish>tb? Or after the first tb window?

[void bough]

is it a good idea to use benthic gear from my main to catch up for assa spec?

[obsidian cipher]

anybody know what's a good benthic item to try to go for?

[spice surge]

Whenever you get below 50 energy tish

Regardless of anythhing

[keen elk]

❤

[spice surge]

Which means that sometimes you use it after 35 seconds

because BL made you never have low energy

[keen elk]

That’s what I originally thought but wasn’t sure if lining it up with vendetta and tb windows made any kind of difference. Thanks my dude!

[tough whale]

man my mastery sims are weak as fuck right now

[untold current]

So, Lucid > crucible?

[stone crescent]

Dumb question sorry, but I am guessing essence unlocks are per character and not account wide?

[tough whale]

yes

[stone crescent]

Got it thanks!

[frozen karma]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[rough agate]

Force multiplier over quick or master

ah sims work ok

[narrow slate]

How do I change essences in sims?

Sorry, new at this.

[echo jay]

lol @narrow slate i was literally typing that

[spice surge]

There isnt really an UI for that yet

They're working on it

Just know that for ST, you want lucid

[narrow slate]

So I just do two separate sims and swap my heart trait.

[spice surge]

Ye

[rough agate]

Oh lucid over blood

[narrow slate]

Thank you

[rough agate]

ST

[spice surge]

Blood is decent, but both flames and lucid are better atm

With r1

[rough agate]

ok

ty

[frozen karma]

when do you pop lucid, when you're starting to run out of energy on opponer or just as you pull

[spice surge]

When you run out of energy

[rustic onyx]

does rare in nazjatar/mechagon are farmable daily or weekly ?

[white basalt]

what enchant should we be using now? for weapons

[strange python]

is the new enchant any good?

[tough whale]

man this energy gain is WILD

[white basalt]

yea lucid dream is insane

im capping energy even without vendetta or BL

[tough whale]

14 energy per venomous tick extra thicc

[white basalt]

and thats when i pop when i have less than 50 energy

and im smashing keys hard

[strange python]

is the new enchant any good?

[white basalt]

^^?

[narrow slate]

Yeah its bothering me that raidbot isn't simming the enchants right.

[tough whale]

It'll get fixed, this happens alot on patches. Relax : )

[strange python]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=168596/enchant-weapon-force-multiplier

[fresh robin]

there anyway to gain follower xp besides nazjatar dailies?

[tough whale]

Tldr the force multiplier had a pretty good uptime

[strange python]

Probably good to replace the masterdy enchant on one weapon

since its always going to buff mastery

[tough whale]

?

this lets you double dip your best stat

[narrow slate]

Relaxing is difficult when its new patch day.

days.

[tough whale]

Theyre working hard, complaining wont fix anything

This is pretty natural

[narrow slate]

Am I complaining?

[tough whale]

yes

[narrow slate]

It just bothers me. Not a complaint.

[tough whale]

🤔

[narrow slate]

"Ah. Boo. I want to sim my enchants." VS "Yo, Raidbots fucking sucks."

[fresh robin]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[white basalt]

so we would just want one of the new enchants right?

[tough whale]

Don't stack it

[white basalt]

new enchant in main hand and then highest simming secondary in offhand?

[tough whale]

doesnt matter what hand

but ye

[stone crescent]

Hey guys, would anyone know if the auto proc of vendetta from the essence procs the energy gain from nothing personal? Cause I know it does the dmg portion

[white basalt]

i believe it does

[wispy salmon]

Does any have a guide on the best way to gear? I’m at 415 ilvl and not sure where to spend my mana pearls. I’ve heard some say max the profession table to craft the high ilvl gear and@others say save it because benethic azerite has some rest traits in it? Also what is our bis essence for aoe and st? I was told blood of the enemy is best for m+?

[stone crescent]

Legit? That's insane

[tough whale]

it would depend, there were some scaling issues during testing with auto proc + NP

so they may fix it

[stone crescent]

I thought it was just the dmg portion

[tough whale]

or may have fixed it

[stone crescent]

Oh

[vestal carbon]

whats the fastest way to get 25 Marks of honor?

[loud galleon]

!esscense

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vestal carbon]

15k honor for level 2...

[white basalt]

with lucid dreams, does haste become less valuable due to capping energy?

[vestal carbon]

for blood essence

whats fastest way of farming that

[white basalt]

WINNING BGS

[vestal carbon]

queue for epic BGS and normal BGS?

[white basalt]

if you keep losing then become a mercenary

ya

[vestal carbon]

is that what u queue for?

[white basalt]

any bg

[vestal carbon]

kk

[fleet whale]

You don't really farm for Blood of the enemy

[vestal carbon]

why?

[fleet whale]

are you talking about just getting it or the higher ranks of it

[vestal carbon]

higher ranks of it

lvl 2,3 etc..

[fleet whale]

ah ok, that is a farm

just getting it isn't lol

[vestal carbon]

yea it sounds like a pain to do

to farm

[fleet whale]

for this week getting rank 2 probably isn't that hard

cause it's bg week

[dusty dagger]

I simmed rank 2 blood against rank 1 lucid and it was basically the same (unoptimized though)

[white basalt]

Could prob do in like 10 hours

[vestal carbon]

rank 3 is 50k?

[dusty dagger]

yeah

[hollow stream]

is it me or are the Eternal Palace azerite traits mediocre?

[devout gazelle]

Guys i guess its good to macro vendeta with the new essence from pvp blood of the enemy?

[plain fox]

Anyone else finding it, impssible to spend all your energy with lucid?

[rancid bobcat]

it's a lot of energy

[plain fox]

not so much in single target, but with cleave i cant get my energy below 170

maybe its super good if you drop vigor and you stagagem?

[warm ibex]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[obsidian cipher]

wait i thought lucid dreams was good RIP

[devout gazelle]

nvm actually you cant even macro it with vendeta

lul

[plain fox]

Yeah

if you macro it with vendetta

you burn about 120 enegry

instantylu

just gone to the garbage

[white basalt]

i always cap energy alot with lucid dreams all the time

[flat knoll]

Hey guys

what do u think ? assa is better than outlaw after nerfs in m+?

[wispy salmon]

@tough whale how would you suggest spending mana pearls?

[shy dust]

Just use it when nesr or under 50 energy

[round harbor]

im using it on cabal and it feels so useless lol

[ionic matrix]

where are you guys finding a way to sim essences

I tried in simcraft 8.2 but it seems like it isnt picking up on essences

[gloomy jolt]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[pastel wasp]

Interesting

The passive vendetta one is top tier

[tough whale]

@wispy salmon benthic gear that is itemized/ socketed well if youre misisng a piece

Also raidbots appears to be pretty busted

Full mastery top gear sims are pretty trap

[dusty dagger]

@ionic matrix I used raidbots advanced sim with extra options added:
azerite_essences="23:2" for blood rank 2
azerite_essences="27:1" for lucid rank 1

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4zw3dS92D8XybfcJFA39Dq
was my blood sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h2Bmo2M6i4wGg25WbDJ9RH
is my lucid

Wouldn't be surprised if it's completely off though given it's still early days.

[rotund pier]

its going to be such shit if blood ends up being our bis and ranks 2 and 3 are locked behind pvp

[coarse swan]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[cobalt gyro]

well it's likely not

so it's fine

[rotund pier]

let's hope

[night summit]

is the engineering helm good for assasination this tier?

[quasi pewter]

yes

[night summit]

or should i get LW instead?

[quasi pewter]

why not both

[onyx rock]

Did something changed with SS ? I sim 32k with BiS DD Gear (419) and 31,5k with 3xSS Gear ?! This Setup was never that close before the Patch

[tough whale]

sims are broken

take with heavy heavy grain of salt

[night summit]

@quasi pewter I was thinking to pick up JC also

[quasi pewter]

jc is very expensive and worse than lw imo

especially because lw has sockets now

[rotund pier]

should we be saving our mana pearls for anything specific

[cobalt gyro]

probably essences

but those cost like 10

so

[rotund pier]

isnt it only 1 at honored thats 10?

[quasi pewter]

buy benthic cloaks so you can get some extra rep or follower exp from murloc

[frosty burrow]

Finally got rank 2 blood today

[royal lantern]

missing 2k honor :c

[tough whale]

Do AV

3k in honor in a quest

[royal lantern]

did the alliance eat stereoids or something?

i win every single BG right now

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/BYFqCgs.png man what

[tough whale]

yea thats about right

[severe wasp]

!Essence in the relative spec channel

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[fiery sage]

engi head worth getting?

[vapid scarab]

no, the very first boss in the raid drops a leather helm

[fiery sage]

u prob want the head from the boss before the last

thts why i ask 😃

[vapid scarab]

then you don't want the engi helm either

[fiery sage]

still need luck for it to drop tho

[vapid scarab]

it's the first boss