assassination

[pearl meteor]

Then ye its gonna b better

What trinkets u using

[valid cipher]

dice 410 gcb 400 socket

[pearl meteor]

Ah ok

[thick narwhal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jFVyP8upiR4CyXWToVVaKA

Anything i can do better here?

With what i got

[tropic ocean]

you can use the top gear simn

[thin ingot]

was EB nerfed?

[harsh sphinx]

ya link a top gear sim

[tropic ocean]

No

[modest zodiac]

Any ideas?

[cobalt gyro]

sim it but i'd imagine lurkers + spyglass or 2x on use lmao

[modest zodiac]

lmao

i'm mostly considering them for m+

so maybe 2 on use is good... will always have 1 up for a new pack

[crisp steppe]

haste in m+ is autoattacks

[modest zodiac]

so seems like lurker and dead eye

[prisma carbon]

does the raid have any chest pieces with dd and np?

[rigid mango]

Mekka

[hidden plinth]

can someone explain me this https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Seliathan assa m+ traits ?

[rigid mango]

They're good

[prisma carbon]

looking at his history, he runs with an outlaw rogue alot so he can focus on priority damage

[rigid mango]

He nearly always runs that

if youw ant him to explain

@ him

He's a CF in the discord, if you want him to explain why, maybe going to him here or visiting his stream is your best bet

[cobalt gyro]

it's not like he falls behind in overall either

[real bay]

tried the exact same setup, couple k lower on bosses than my normal set, overall higher for sure

[marble hemlock]

not sure why it shows 2ss tho, i usually run 3ttk/2eb/1ss

[spice surge]

Are you trying to shroud your actual build seli?

[marble hemlock]

nah

i dont even know where i played 3ttk2ss

think i ran it in TD once

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock plays always 3eb to pad

[rigid mango]

now kiss

[marble hemlock]

wow seb

outlaw player talking about padding 😦

but yeah, next week is giga 3EB week

[lethal heart]

next week is

afk

and playing alt

[final river]

double dose scale whith haste?

[tropic ocean]

the dmg scales with mastery

[final river]

but the frequency with haste?

[vast forum]

read the tooltip

technically scales with haste because you use more mutilates if you have more haste 🤷

[final river]

ok, ty bro

[uneven hill]

can someone help me

with what spells i should use?

Just came back after a 4 years break

[rigid mango]

Check the pins

and read teh guide

[uneven hill]

Where is the pins

[rigid mango]

Top right

[elder gulch]

does feint reduce damage from upheavel? (the mechanic on the first boss of tol dagor)

[tropic ocean]

it should

[vague portal]

what gem we should get

in opulence

[tropic ocean]

opalllll

or ruby if ur raidlead hates u

[vague portal]

lol

[solar rose]

feint does reduce the damage of upheavel, you can also vanish the mechanic and it cancels, you can also cloak of shadows the damage.

[cobalt gyro]

you can also step to an ally out of the damage with good timing, as well

[rigid mango]

if you want to learn how to do what odo said, I recommend doing keys w hunters/mages first and stepping to them

[cobalt gyro]

https://wago.io/P2T4z8zsA is a good weak aura for that

[tropic ocean]

You can also hearthstone before the cast comes

[cobalt gyro]

lul

[royal lantern]

everytime i try the shadowstep thing i just burst somone else with it

[flint jetty]

King troll

[visual quartz]

I like to step it, save cloak incase on Tyr theres alot of sand and cloak and clear

[tropic ocean]

you never need to clear traps if you play the boss properly

put 3 marks walk from mark to mark

[visual quartz]

tell that to the groups im in lol. I normaly dont but sometimes it happens

[wintry trout]

what is the prefered set up for raid azurite

is it 3 NP 2 DD 1 SS?

[rigid mango]

Preferably swap 1 NP for DD

and SS is a flavour thing

The base of it is neraly always 3 DD

SS is good on first 6 bosses pretty much, going 0 SS and going MA instead is better for last 3

[wintry trout]

so i can get 3 np 3 dd

[rigid mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/

If you check every fight

You'll see a general view

of what high ranking assa's are playing on each fight

[velvet willow]

is it a 2 or 3 stack of echoing blades kinda week?

[woven summit]

I think 3 stacks of echoing blades is the way to go for keys

and 3 SS

I only have 2 SS though 😦

Still solid

[rigid mango]

I disagree

I'd not go more than 2 eb this werk

Week* and wouldn't recommend going 3 eb 3 ss either

[woven summit]

what do you recommend then?

[velvet willow]

I have 2 EB 1 SS

I could go 3EB 1SS

[rigid mango]

A mix of ttk, eb and ss

Like 2/2/2

[woven summit]

ah yes, that might be the best possible outcome

[rigid mango]

Or even this week, 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss

[woven summit]

but 3 eb 3 ss is still good

[rigid mango]

Last week I went 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss

Agree to disagree, I feel if you're going that build

Why play assa

Just go outlaw

You're just a worse, paddier version

Especially this weel

[woven summit]

I beat Outlaw rogues with that

But they are better for reaping

[rigid mango]

And they do better st

Id you run that

If*

[woven summit]

SS does solid ST as well I think

[rigid mango]

I still wouldn't recommend it

If you want to go full out aoe

Just spec outlaw, go 1 wits and tadaa

Arguably better aoe

Doinf what you're doing isn't what assa's current strength is

You can keep up in numbers whilst your damage is less braindead pad, and more focused well tuned damage on the targets that should die first

[woven summit]

I don't know I'm always competitive

Maybe because I'm doing 13-14s max

You guys are doing 20s

So better optimization with you

But I can see your points

Will see what I can do considering the traits I have at disposal

And try it out with more ttk

[proud wren]

I’ve ran so me tol dagors today I can draw everything in that place with the exact location it’s in

Still haven’t got another dagger

[woven summit]

Told you man, you'll get it from the weekly chest 😉

[thin ingot]

i forgot to change my loot spec and got a 410 socketed 1 handed mace

[woven summit]

RIP

Happened to me three times this expansion

So know how it feels

[thin ingot]

it sucks lol

[woven summit]

yeah it's very painful

[thin ingot]

still playing sin though, with a pair of 400s daggers

[woven summit]

The pain will go away in a week though

[tropic ocean]

Y are you always telling ppl to go outlaw when 3ss 3eb is perfectly viable

🤷🏿‍♂️

[fresh coyote]

Ttk over dd for m+?

[tropic ocean]

yes

you only use mutilate to build in st situation, other than that you build with fok

depending on your group you will even pull trash/reaping into boss so even less value on dd

[lost horizon]

@tropic ocean if it's someone fairly fresh, outlaw is way more accessible

[tropic ocean]

ok but this is the assasination channel?

if someone asks if 3 eb 3ss is viable (which it is) its not a good advice to tell him go outlaw

🤷

[lost horizon]

Sure doesn't mean you can't direct them if they're fresh

Yeah definitely

If a newbie struggles and can't get that combo though

They're definitely better off as outlaw

[tropic ocean]

[fiery cradle]

[bleak spoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KqT3FrDdAp6YXWyb/#fight=11&type=damage-done ever just parse 95 with a ruby

[vestal wren]

opal isnt that great in heroic

opal shines if you have enough add waves what you usually dont have in a decent group

emerald should beat ruby

[worldly iron]

anything should beat ruby since you only get the ruby damage increase while the other people get ruby + whatever gem they have

[vestal wren]

^

[worldly iron]

but he had a ruby

[vestal wren]

iirc we did the calculation of emerald vs. ruby early in the tier

[solid nova]

Think it was opal is worth if more than 2 add waves?

Iirc

Otherwise Emerald

[vestal wren]

ye

[worldly iron]

but even so, getting a leggo with ruby is pretty easy nowadays on heroic

[vestal wren]

something along that

[solid nova]

Ye

[worldly iron]

you won't get a 99, but 95 is feasible

[vestal wren]

its usual to get legendary logs on heroic once the raid is more on farm and if your itemlvl and group is somewhat reasonable

[worldly iron]

everyone should pick ruby and turbo stack on the boss

[vestal wren]

ofc its easier if you are toped out on gear and have an insane group

[marble hemlock]

doesnt the emerald bonus get lost if you have to move, i.e. if you get liquid gold?

[vestal wren]

yes

[cobalt gyro]

It disappears if you use any type of movement

[soft elk]

Hi everyone, after looking for a lot of info I have a doubt about the burst at the time of vanish, it is better to use a rupture, evenom or toxic blade? Thank you for your answers 😃

[solid nova]

Are you asking what you should be doing within your vanish windows?

As that's covered in the guide, so not sure what info you were looking at

[fluid pagoda]

everyone here like how sin plays?

[night vale]

@solid nova where is that covered in the guide? i cant see it, it just says to pair vanish with vendetta. Doesnt say what to press inside the 3 seconds MA window

[soft elk]

@night vale exactly ^^

[solid nova]

It's the same as vanishing in opener?

[soft elk]

Yeap

[solid nova]

Which is in the guide

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/nuc92e

[night vale]

ah okay, just that most might not know its the same as vanishing in the opener

thanks for the clarification

[tropic ocean]

?

[solid nova]

Not sure i agree with that

But fair enough

[fluid pagoda]

@tropic ocean I like the part where it says Envenom

[soft elk]

Thanks people !

[solid nova]

@fluid pagoda What else should it say?

[tropic ocean]

theres 2 options for vanish and its just down to having ma or subterfuge talented

[fluid pagoda]

Poisy mic stab stab!

[solid nova]

Right.

[tropic ocean]

and with ma talented you never use any dot inside ma window

except for the opener

[night vale]

yeah yeah, i just meant that the opener cast TB after vanish, whereas if TB is on CD should you hold it for subsequent vanishes

didnt mean to cause any offence :p

[tropic ocean]

?

you still use tb on cd

[night vale]

well thats what i was doing, but the question was just asked? and the answer was you vanish the same as in the opener and the opener is Vanish > TB > Mut > Env

so i wondered if that means you hold tb for vanishes

[tropic ocean]

you don't need to hold it

theres a 5 second difference

so u just delay vanish this 5 seconds

[night vale]

okay 😃 thanks for the help

[tropic ocean]

like tb cd is 25s

you'll have used 4 tbs until vanish comes up again

but since theres very small amounts of patchwerk scenarios

you shouldn't have any problem lining them up

[night vale]

Thanks

[tropic ocean]

any time mate

[strange python]

what gems do we take on Opulance?

[rigid mango]

Opal

If your raid needs ruby though, you take that

[dark crag]

Emerald in hc and below when the group dps is high

[strange python]

Hi should i use Vendetta on CD? Sorry for me Question assa i new for me 😄

[dark crag]

Yes

And no

The guide has all answers you desire

[strange python]

Ok i understand that 😃 but i have also two questions in the guide is written when i refresh excatly my Garrot ( if its empowered 5,4sec? or should I let them run out and then refresh?) @dark crag

[placid dawn]

if garrote is empowered by vanish you let it run out completely

if its a normal garrote it has to be under 5,4s i think

[strange python]

ok thank u @placid dawn

[hollow lynx]

Anyone know if the APL's have been run off essence at all?

[dim nacelle]

Hello there, recently switched to Assa to try it out. Just a question. I tried simming myself and ended up on 24k. How much should i then do on the Raid test dummy? With only my own buffs. Tried a bit and couldn't get above 20.5k Is that to low?

[solid nova]

You can sim without buffs, its just a tick box

[dim nacelle]

Oo right forgot about that. Thanks!

[coral brook]

MA doesnt snapshot right? (dots that i used on the opener)

[vague portal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QcDPh8dpRq7CrZHW/

Any improvements?

[rigid mango]

Nearly 100 CP during the entire fight seems like a lot wasted

but 🤷

[solid nova]

Your garrotte uptime is really low

You're not refreshing it for ages

And your vanish in the opener is really late

73% garrotte uptime is way below where it should be

[rigid mango]

I may be wrong, but feels like 16 casts of fok is low

on opu

[solid nova]

And your TB windows have rarely more than 1 envenom inside it, a few occasions you're double rupturing and not getting any

Couple of triple mutilates too

and missed TB casts

Not pairing vanish with anything either, and coming out of vanish with double garrotte rupture, instead of garrotte, rupture, garrotte

Plenty to work on

Traits and +37 enchants are something else but considering your gear

[rigid mango]

as you're here richard

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mz4Lk3nwHxmXh1FD#fight=56&type=damage-done&source=13

Could u look at this?

Just looked at TB

[vague portal]

I dont think I'm good at rogue

[solid nova]

It's all just practice dude, i believe

@rigid mango I need to double check but i think you missed a fair few TB windows

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[solid nova]

Might be overlap with downtime

[rigid mango]

It's aroudn the wall

I think

[solid nova]

You triple mutilated too 😏

[rigid mango]

It's like some of my first times past p2 since I joined 🅱onkles

so this fight is still very unfamiliar to me

[vague portal]

Yeah I need to get this rotation down

[rigid mango]

That's always a good start 😄

[vague portal]

I still get confused and I seem to start somewhat ok then I mess the whole thing

[solid nova]

I mean for the most part the rotational errors in your logs are what's usual of people improving to the spec

[distant lava]

Practice

There's no magic

[solid nova]

Just need to work at it really

[rigid mango]

Just go slap a dummy

for like

5 min

[vague portal]

I'm so used to tank

I know is not an excuse

[solid nova]

Yeah just gotta get new muscle memory for a new class

[rigid mango]

and feel how it is to get the awk tb and reapplying of bleeds overlaps etc

[solid nova]

It's just a time factor

Then polishing up what you know here/in the resources

[distant lava]

Dps is very similar to tanking tbh

[solid nova]

@rigid mango Questionable 2nd pot

[rigid mango]

When did I 2nd bot?

pot*

[distant lava]

I think it's more about you learning rogue than dps

[solid nova]

9 seconds before jaina died

[rigid mango]

[distant lava]

[rigid mango]

ok I just wanted to get that shit down and people called for it

[solid nova]

Looks like you were holding for vanish/vend

[distant lava]

Flex on the bitch

[rigid mango]

I was more confused tryna listen to 4 diff people

screaming at us to do stuff

4 RL's my head went boom

[distant lava]

The classic I'm dead so I'll say rando stuff

Ruining tries since forever

[vague portal]

Seems legit. When jaina is about to die everyone is a RL

[rigid mango]

nah

legit

[simple meteor]

fuxk that just pop cds and zerg it while others figuring it out

[rigid mango]

4 diff raidleads in that guild

[solid nova]

Yeah your vend/vanish just came off CD

9 seconds before kill

So guess you wanted to hold

[rigid mango]

🤷

With killing elly I think vendatting the wall is the play now

but I think I shoulda just potted during hero and wall tbh

[solid nova]

If boss was like 20 seconds longer you'd have had a better log

[rigid mango]

Meh

first time killing jaina

I cba caring about log that time

[solid nova]

Apart from the TB usage/random triple mutilate and the unfortunate CD timing

It looks like standard jaina log to me

[rigid mango]

I need to focus more on minor uptimes like ep and env

[solid nova]

I assume the triple was just panic

[rigid mango]

🤷

[solid nova]

You'll need to kill a dps next time so your cds line up better

[rigid mango]

Probably

Yeah man, fuck that other rogue

not 🅱onkles

only 5 bbi procs seems low, but idk what the proc rate is

[solid nova]

You'd have beaten him if you didnt mess your tb windows up

100%

[rigid mango]

[solid nova]

First time kill log though

Cant be sniffed at my dude

Was the 1 FoK cast trying to cleave onto the ele?

[rigid mango]

Yes(?)

honestly, can't remember

[solid nova]

Whopping 4.6k damage that fok was

[winter moss]

[rigid mango]

M+ player

Honestly, none of my logs were anything spectacular

First time m raiding in a month

[solid nova]

Ah you vendetta the elemental, idk that cost you 10 seconds vend time

As it died 10 seconds after you used it

[rigid mango]

Ye

that was like

missclick of the century

just comitted to it

[solid nova]

Yeah have to at that point really 😄

I mean, nothing there wont be polished out for next kill

[rigid mango]

ye I was a bit confused about the timing on vend there ngl

it felt like a huge waste to not use during the entire intermission there

but wasn't sure if I was gonna get one on jaina either

ig if I use on the wall I should get one on jaina too?

[solid nova]

You would have done yeah

Just

You hit the wall at 5:23, kill on 8:24 so yeah

[rigid mango]

Ah feck

[solid nova]

Whats your neck ilvl at?

[rigid mango]

48 iirc

but got it during the week

[solid nova]

Not a fan on farming ap then 😄

[rigid mango]

defo not

[tropic ocean]

@vague portal you need to get to the point where you do your rotation/pooling subconscious

[rigid mango]

but like, 2 levels wont be that big of a diff right?

[tropic ocean]

once you reach that you'll automatically improve your dps a lot by focusing more on good decisions

[solid nova]

Nah its just showing 2/3 pieces with +5ilvl on them

[rigid mango]

ah ye

[solid nova]

Just small differences innit

[rigid mango]

I think I got it on thursday or friday

iirc

smol diff innit

but aye, I've got it now

[solid nova]

I've seen logs with 8 mutilates in a row, aint nothing too bad these days

[rigid mango]

8?

What the fuck

[solid nova]

Theres been worse than that 😄

[rigid mango]

true s

[distant lava]

When I get home I'll send you guys a log, a rogue joined my guild and I feel like he's meh but I dont really know how to look at sin logs

[rigid mango]

dw I will stalk them

[distant lava]

Except looking at cps but even then Idk what numbers are ok

[rigid mango]

When was it

[distant lava]

Idk maybe I was on boomy

[rigid mango]

hm

idk can't see any too recent logs with a sin rogue

[distant lava]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JVXRK9WBwgqz4D2Y/

We have 3 logs for this week but this one has more fights

[rigid mango]

47 parse as outlaw on opu

[distant lava]

On opulence I know he played outlaw like a potato

Dancing steel iirc

[rigid mango]

ahhh it's all in french

I'm not even gonna try

[night vale]

translate button? 😛

[distant lava]

You amateur zine

[rigid mango]

Would you look at that

There's a translate button

I saw it all in french and closed it

ok

[distant lava]

Cause outlaw parses are in chinese, so I know that button

[night vale]

^ pretty much this

[tropic ocean]

baguette raixc

raid

[night vale]

guy doesnt look terrible just not the best, id be more concerned with the amount of avoidable dmg he takes + dying to Jadefire

hes playing 1 SS which is a bit meh imo... like either play 2+ or just run a MA set.... competing with 1 SS on pad fights isnt too easy

[distant lava]

He seemed to me like he was wasting a lot of cps but maybe you cant really help it as sin

[rigid mango]

He wasted 16 off of muti which is substantial enough

[night vale]

well SOMETIMES i waste CP... like i may cast TB at 5 cp, but its far from ideal... criting with mutilate you cant help

[rigid mango]

like the only waste should come from critting, afaik

[tropic ocean]

i play 1 ss as well

cba to reforge whole gear (its still enough to push leggy logs)

[solid nova]

Yeah you cant always help SF procs for overcapping

[rigid mango]

yah but muti

should never, right?

[tropic ocean]

ofc u can overcap with muti

non-crit crit

or 3 cp - crit

[night vale]

^

[rigid mango]

Yah

but isn't SF counted as muti crit?

or does it not count

[tropic ocean]

butyou should never mutilate if u have 4cp

in grong kill theres not so much flaws in his general gameplay

some uptime can be improved

I mean if you want to try him out

you should compare him to your roster

and not ppl in this discord or on top of wcl

compared to the roster he did the kills in hes one of the top players

[solid nova]

Overcaps due to SF are separated yea

And yeah, Ausgelebt is right imo

[tropic ocean]

theres some uptime he could get better but no major flaws in his rotational use

[rigid mango]

He seems aight

[tropic ocean]

rest gets better when you improve your decision making and is dependant on the raid too

[night vale]

also on Grong, hes playing Sub, to multi garrotte the adds.

And on the 2nd set he Vanishes... and only casts 2 garottes, both on the same add... thats a LOT of wasted potential dmg

[rigid mango]

Just like most, small errors that are easy enough to fix

[solid nova]

Yeah his Grong opener

He only garroted once

Idk if someone already covered that

[night vale]

^ yeah garotte usage on grong is odd

i mentioned above

[visual quartz]

I feel like boss placement and where adds spawn can mess up vanish 3 garrotes, but thats few far between

[night vale]

yeah but

if you run all the way to the adds

you at least garrotte both of them

not just double garotte 1 of them 😛

[visual quartz]

only thing I can think is he Gboss, got to adds and made a decision for extended garrote. Or raid was saying melee one range one and he made sure he only dmged melee

[solid nova]

It's like

[night vale]

yeah maybe, listening to raid leader never got me Orange logs though 😛

[solid nova]

He thinks he's playing MA

Not Subt/SS

Im confused

[night vale]

Yeah pretty much richard

[visual quartz]

dude that happens

[solid nova]

He does this a fair bit as well

4 times*

Vanish use too is off

[night vale]

i played with a rogue once who thought that he had to cast rupture @ 5 CP for more dmg, could be some misunderstanding like that or just high ms or fucked spellqueue delay

is that vanish on grong Richard?

[solid nova]

Yeah

Grongs just easy to look at

[night vale]

yeah cause it looks like he Vendettas grong gets full value, then runs to adds to vanish garotte

[tropic ocean]

I think he forgot to retalent

[solid nova]

The garrottes are on Grong there

[tropic ocean]

and realized it after pull

[solid nova]

Even the rupture

[night vale]

ah okay

[solid nova]

It's his last vanish

[visual quartz]

Poor pooling, when he vanishes he garrotes twice as if he ruptured there the energy might not be there to G during subt window

something ive had to work on

[solid nova]

@distant lava Is he looking for advice or are you asking in general

His Grong has a good view pointers to look at

[tropic ocean]

not sure if the log is scuffed

but hes potting int

[solid nova]

Which fight?

[tropic ocean]

grong

[solid nova]

Shows as x2 agility to me

[night vale]

same

[tropic ocean]

then im scuffed

[solid nova]

Pretty sure he could have gotten a 3rd Galecallers in there too for Grong

Seems like he has it macro in with Vendetta

Pretty sure he does

[modest tendon]

Question on the scent of blood trait, I know a couple rogues who use 3xEB, 2xSS and 1xSoB (likely because they don’t have a third SS trait) how do you guys rate rate this trait? It certainly sims well on bloodmallet

[rigid mango]

Macroing 1 min cd with 2 min cd

[solid nova]

Yeah

[rigid mango]

@modest tendon Very low

[solid nova]

The usage is too identical to not be a macro

[rigid mango]

Sob is really underwhelming atm

It doesn't do much, and it's not worth while playing around

[distant lava]

Me looking at him in general dicky

[solid nova]

2 secs im writing it out for you

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't recommend going 3 eb ss but that's down to personal prefer and viewpoint of assa in m+ atm

[solid nova]

Nice and neat like

[rigid mango]

nice guy dicky

Maybe 3 eb ss becomes the meta set up in s3 though, who knows

Doubt it though

[solid nova]

@distant lava
Guildie Feedback

• Think he's playing as if he was MA, not Subt/SS
• Openers/Vanish windows aren't right in correlation to this
• His GCB and Vendetta are 100% macro together, missing GCB uses
• Triple mutilates very often, not pairing vanish with anything: See: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/582940478190649365/unknown.png
• Vanish is coming out with garrotte/garrotte/rupture, instead of garrotte/rupture/garrotte
  -TB windows appear to be fine

Other than that, it's a pretty good starting point before looking deeper. Can only look so much at work 😄

See, thats pretty innit

[night vale]

I really like 3 eb 3 ss for m+

Unless i have a tank that is going to chainpull so much the value of Subterfuge drops off... in which case ill sub out 2SS for 2 TTK

[rigid mango]

I feel like it's a waste

You're just a worse outlaw, in most cases

[visual quartz]

constructive feedback is always pretty

[distant lava]

@solid nova fam

[rigid mango]

You're not capitalising on what I feel is the current strength of sin in m+

[solid nova]

I only looked at Grong so i imagine theres a few more things he could utilise

[night vale]

Well potentially, although im not a massive fan of TTK cause on large pulls i just wanna be spamming FOK, i dont wanna be casting Evenom, so i feel its value drops off.

[rigid mango]

Yeah, I don't mind 3 EB

[night vale]

im not m+ expert though, like 18s/19s

[rigid mango]

3 EB is like, a bit paddy but will defo increase your output in general, esp thanks to reap

but I feel like most of the time, you just get more out of 2 ttk's

than 3 ss

And also during this week since no big pulls more or less are allowed, I wouldn't do 3 eb

but next week should be more than fine for 3 EB big dickage

[night vale]

ive tried both, and a lot of the time Garotte is my hardest hitting ability overall, more than Echoing blades ina lot of cases (besides dungeons where there are large trash packs)

But yeah agree with you on EB.

I'd like to have found TTK better, maybe ive just not given it enough of a chance!

[rigid mango]

I just nearly always run with huge aoe blasters, and find that lower target prio damage of ttk is worth more

than more garrote damag

[night vale]

^ yeah group comp is another consideration.

I used to run with a group where I was doing the most dmg on AOE

I had marksman hunter and Ele Shaman

So i got more value out of it. if i played with AOE blasters i would probably find TTK a LOT more useful

but like i say im not expert, i just played with friends and we played whatever we wanted, werent trying to be meta or anything :p

[simple meteor]

isn't the new affix mini bosses spawing that would be crazy at new season for assa

[spice surge]

There is no complete info on how the nex affix works yet

The only thing we know is the tooltip that there will be aszhara mobs in the dungeons, and that it will be less aoe focused than reaping

[tropic ocean]

bosses will split up into 3 images with same abilities and 50% life (like first boss sots)

🌶

[short jacinth]

Why do ppl play MA on certain bosses? I guess I don't understand what the advantages of MA are

[stuck knoll]

MA is better with DD as long as you're not running any SS

[short jacinth]

Ok so it's really just a trait thing

[rigid mango]

Any SS traits what so ever means you play sub

Without any, you play MA

MA is generally the better option for more patchwerk style bosses

like last 3

[vast forum]

tbh, i sim higher with 1 SS and MA than subterfuge

always trust the sim

[tropic ocean]

and you would sim even better when replacing that ss by dd

[vast forum]

i do

[tropic ocean]

a tool is just as good as the user

[vast forum]

i'm just saying, 1 SS doesn't mean that subterfuge is 100% better

[tropic ocean]

theres no point to use subterfuge unless you are using ss trait

[vast forum]

that's not at all what i'm talking about here

i'm saying that even when you have an SS trait, subterfuge isn't guaranteed to be better than MA

[tropic ocean]

and obviously you'll sim better with ma than subterfuge when only using 1 ss but multiple np dd or whatever

specially on patchwerk

[vast forum]

well, you say obviously

but @rigid mango says Any SS traits what so ever means you play sub

[stable holly]

If Master Poisoner is simming only 300 dps under Elaborate Planning, would it end up being the better talent since it requires no timing?

[tropic ocean]

which is a true statement

if you use ss trait you will pick sub

[vast forum]

you'll sim better with ma than subterfuge when only using 1 ss but multiple np dd or whatever

Any SS traits what so ever means you play sub

[tropic ocean]

yeah

but thats your issue

[vast forum]

pick one

[tropic ocean]

using wrong traits

on wrong fights

[vast forum]

you refuse to understand my point

i'm not using SS

[tropic ocean]

you won't use ss on a st patchwerk fight

since dd with ma > ss

[vast forum]

i'm just saying that my sims show that zine's statement is incorrect

[tropic ocean]

its not

and thats what you refuse to understand

[rigid mango]

ok lemme change that

generally

[vast forum]

not gonna take this any further, as you're rather special

[rigid mango]

it makes you play ma

sub*

[tropic ocean]

i mean what point are you trying to prove

picking ma into ss trait?

gl

"cuz simcraft tells me, because i use 2 dd traits along with it"

[vast forum]

a point that if you don't have a massive choice of azerite gear, and you can run for example 3xDD, NP, SS and BBI for example, you wouldn't automatically pick subterfuge because you have an SS

which was the point made by zine

[tropic ocean]

you will just not use the ss trait

[vast forum]

why not

[tropic ocean]

but the other trait thats on the piece

[vast forum]

what if it's on the inner ring

[tropic ocean]

wat

[vast forum]

and the other trait is just shit

[tropic ocean]

are we still talking about the gear we have or

made up gear

🤷

[real bay]

that's when you get better azerite

[vast forum]

or if you have SS and EB on outer ring

well, yea, but if you don't have a choice, you fuckin sim yourself and do what's best, not just go with a generalised "go with subterfuge if you have ANY SS"

[tropic ocean]

a tool is just as good as the user

[worldly iron]

feelycraft

yikes

[vast forum]

you're just spewing random shit at this point

[tropic ocean]

nope

i think you dont understand how raidbots works

or the raid in general

[vast forum]

lol, ok

sure

[real bay]

if you dont have gear to swap and don't want to spend 20k a week for respec SS fine for everything I mean there's not many pure st

[rigid mango]

this is the time when people stop

[tropic ocean]

you sim 5min patchwerk

[vast forum]

i legit wanna know what the fuck is wrong with you

[tropic ocean]

with 3 dd traits

[real bay]

and even then it's 1k difference

[tropic ocean]

which will make ma a superior choice

yes

[solid nova]

@vast forum Be nice.

[tropic ocean]

but theres no fight like that

[vast forum]

sorry, richard, but if you read up, this guy's special

[solid nova]

Ive read the entire thing and neither of you are any closer to anything

[vast forum]

i did try to stop at one point

but he keeps spewing random stuff

[solid nova]

So stop

[vast forum]

aight

[solid nova]

Its literally not going anywhere lol

[vast forum]

i'm just trying to help the poor soul

[tropic ocean]

i'm not a poor soul, ty and I don't need raid bots to know I use subterfuge when using ss trait

cheers

[short jacinth]

Yea sry didn't mean to create this craziness

[vast forum]

FEELYCRAFT INTENSIFIES

[golden nexus]

big yikes

[vast forum]

big fuckin yikes

[rigid mango]

Tis my bad

I said something that was too generalized

And it has exceptions, like yoppa said

[vast forum]

i also didn't wanna start any arguments, just wanted to show that you should always sim, even for general cases like SS+subterfuge

[tropic ocean]

feelycraft

[rigid mango]

I retract my previous statement

[vast forum]

tisu, how do you feel today?

[tropic ocean]

sim 5 min patchwerk 🤷

[real bay]

[rigid mango]

And say, "for the most part when running SS traits you should be running sub, however there are exceptions and simming yourself is the better option"

[solid nova]

I swear i will turn this car around if you dont take your fingers off your keyboards

[vast forum]

where are we goin, papa richard?

[rigid mango]

Turn this car around to where

[stable holly]

So um... Can I ask a quick talent question yall?

[rigid mango]

Sup

[solid nova]

Yeah Staks, shoot brother

[rigid mango]

Brother

[stable holly]

If Master Poisoner and Elaborate planning are simming similarly, with EP being 300 dps more, is MP better since it doesnt require any timing?

[vast forum]

generally, EP is better even if you don't play around it

[rigid mango]

You don't really play around EP

[solid nova]

300 dps is big mate

[rigid mango]

It's just always there, and you'll deal considerably more damage iwth it

[solid nova]

Id take 300dps anyday

[rigid mango]

^

[solid nova]

^

[vast forum]

the only way to truly know whether it would be better or not is to make a custom apl of your personal mistakes 🤷

[stuck knoll]

The sim is also not running it at 100% ep uptime

[vast forum]

and that's too big of a bother for a potential 10 dps gain, working on improving gameplay is more worth your time

[stuck knoll]

It's normal uptime

[stable holly]

Aight thanks boys

[mint prairie]

Hi all, I'm wondering if the boots of Uun'at is worth to play with even if I got a 405 socket Haste/Mastery? Sims tells me it's like +400 dps on patchwerk but I wanted to know your opinions about it

[stuck knoll]

Yeah they're good

[mint prairie]

Even in a fight like Gronk or Conclave? Or is it better to take something else?

[stuck knoll]

They work like OP

A lot of damage doesn't actually remove stacks

[spice surge]

Nothing besides standing infront of the boss removes the stack on conclave

They preform exactly as they sim on that boss

[sullen pagoda]

reading that argument from earlier actually made me lose IQ

[spice surge]

Grong the dot form the aoe removes them, but you can cloak every other one

[mint prairie]

Guess I'll use it to see next week. Thanks guys ! 😃

[steep obsidian]

i have to test those booots then havent really done any bosses that matter then jaina since i got em hmm

[spice surge]

Obviously depends on your alternative boots, but i'd say they're worth it on every boss except jaina

[mental obsidian]

Bis traits for cabal mythic?

i see a lot of 2xdd 2xss 2x np

[strange python]

SS & NP gain a lot of value since you can use most of your cds with a 90% buff whereas DD damage is "passive" and will have quite a lot of it's damage dealt outside of the buffs

[vast forum]

in general, SS and DD are your best 2-target cleave traits, but with cabal's bonus dmg buff, NP is probably better than DD

2/2/2 sounds like a good overall balance tho

[fresh coyote]

How does bbi work as an aoe trait

As in would gorak thul shoulders be good for m+

[simple meteor]

i use it cause 19% crit is insane but x3 eb is prolly better for aoe pad

[strange python]

@fresh coyote gorak tul shoulders are good but an extra EB will win out in big pulls and on overall dmg, usually

[fallow estuary]

people talking about progressing CoS makes me sad man

Jaina fked up my Guild :c We can barely reclear each week now since our roster is down to 21 people

but i don't wanna quit them since they are my boys

[arctic socket]

Is cos really worth progressing tho? It’s only two bosses and some loot is pretty Meh

[fallow estuary]

Don't really care about loot - just feels bad

theres a raid i can't progress

never been that way

Anyone here simming 28k+ who could send me his link?

[vast forum]

progressing because of loot

[rigid mango]

Lurk + optimal az and sockets

[vast forum]

boots are bis for ilvl, pants are bis for ilvl

[rigid mango]

Is pretty much it

[vast forum]

trinket bis for everything

also, the boss design is amazing, at least according to players who like a challenge

[warm canopy]

Uu'nat is extremely boring to progress as melee now

[fiery cradle]

my guild actively chose to not do m cos

even tho jainas been dead

[strange python]

Uh what happens if i'm a void elf, and i decide to faction change to horde?

[crisp steppe]

I think you get to pick any of the horde races

that can be rogue ofc

[vast forum]

same as just about any case of faction transfer

i mean, choosing not to do CoS is fine, but saying that it's pointless is just wrong... 425 lurker is good enough incentive any day of the week

[polar cape]

Just TF an heroic one ez <.<

[strange python]

i'm assuming 3dd/2np/ss is pretty decent?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[strange python]

i cant get my hands on that BBI for SS yet lol

dope

is there a cancelaura macro for lurker's on the same button? basically, using it on cd w/ vendetta, then clicking it off on the same macro?

i don't quite remember how to do it, i think it was a sequence macro

[crisp steppe]

/cancelaura buffname

/use trinket

when you click it it removes the buff and then activates trinket. so a second press will remove it

[strange python]

ah okay, so if i did it vice versa, it would activate trinket then immediately cancel no?

[crisp steppe]

I think so yes

[strange python]

ight ill give that a shot in a few

[crisp steppe]

just do it the other way around and it'll work out

[strange python]

pretty much did a /cast vendetta /cast blood fury /cancelaura Insidious Gift /use 13

in THEORY, that should all work since it's off the gcd, it should try and cancel trinket buff but since it's not there, it wont

and it'll just activate, then pressing again will cancel it

[crisp steppe]

yeah the main thing to look out for is not spamming that keybind I guess

[strange python]

yeah i only ever press shit once anyway

[crisp steppe]

well for vendetta you might want to spellqueue it but it'll be fine honestly

[strange python]

even with that being off gcd, it doesn't bother trinkets/BF

thats why i put it first

[last zephyr]

@fallow estuary https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jpEjK1QddgigBoJbnbTXj4

[obsidian ridge]

anyone here willing to take a look at one of my logs? I'm doing fine-ish I think (66% average mythic). However I really want to get at least 80%+

Can't really figure out where I'm going wrong though

[rigid mango]

Yeah sure man

Just link em

[obsidian ridge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t4BNQJHRMG3DXvPk#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=6
this is this id's jadefire rekill where I only did 23k dps or something

[rigid mango]

You missed A LOT of tb casts

That'll chunk your dps really low

[dark crag]

And had a huge downtime where the other rogue did dps

[obsidian ridge]

Oh, yeah. That was an orb thing I think, now that you say it .. maybe wasn't the best fight to show you. I wasn't able to dps the wall at all if I remember correctly.

[proud wren]

Got a 405 dagger from the chest

It has vers 😦

[dark crag]

Why not 410?

[proud wren]

Didn’t run a +10 lol

[obsidian ridge]

But I still think I learned something. I'm going to try to prepare for fights a lot more in advance in order to minimize downtime and so on. So far I only really have my cooldowns managed for fights we progressed for a long time, so basically only Mekkatorque, Stormwall and Jaina. Everywhere else I'm just spontaneously deciding when to pop something.

[dark crag]

You only need to know 2 things in advance: can you stay 20 sec on the target for vendetta and do adds align with vanish if you play ss subt

[proud wren]

In underrot rn and the first boss just cheesed. It was like a 30 second fight if that

What’s up with that

[hollow stone]

That fight's a joke

[red zealot]

So question for yall when it comes to your personal preference want to see what people choose I can drop 1 DD for a SS and have 2 DD 1 BI 1 SS 1 NP and 1 TTK with 3 OP would yall drop the 1 DD for SS for fights like jades and leave it? or just fuck it and go pure ST

[proud wren]

Make sense

What’s that not even 4 mil dmg?

It’s a +8 also

[hollow stone]

@red zealot if youre still progressing, just play ma w dd. if youre looking for parses, you will def want at least 1ss for bosses like jade. Personally, its too much work to swap back and forth with little payoff unless you have pieces you can swap in and out

Without reforge

Yea. That boss is a joke

[proud wren]

Makes sense lmfao

[red zealot]

Praying for help from champs tonight going back to my rogue so we shall see

helm***

[spring iron]

so... should I spend my 2k residuum or save?

[rigid mango]

Depends what your azerite's like atm

[spring iron]

all 415

and kinda random....

looking for some better traits

[rigid mango]

🤷 2k probably wont be the diff in 8.2

but if ur not pushing anything

no need for new az

[spring iron]

I'd like to get that +15 achieve....

[rigid mango]

Then go for it

[spring iron]

hmm

I mean.... is it worth trying to save for the 7k one?

idk.... i'd probably run out of time...

since I'm not REALLY raiding.

[rigid mango]

Then yeah, probably wont be that worth while saving

[spring iron]

so either spend or don't worry about it 'till 8.2?

[rigid mango]

At this point, if you're not pushing high keys and barely raiding

Saving wont get you much anyways

[spring iron]

what's the residuum plan for 8.2? Has it even been announced?

[rigid mango]

Nope

but from what I've seen most people type, peeps think x25

[spring iron]

mmmmmmm I rolled well

gained an extra EB and SS

Heed or Earthlink?

[civic palm]

heed as well

[spring iron]

yep

that was what I came to conclude

I need to get rid of VIGOR

it's not OP enough to be hugely beneficial

[rigid mango]

Hm?

Wdym

[civic palm]

He means that it's NOT OVERPOWERED ENOUGH TO BE HUGELY BENEFICIAL, even though there are not really any trinkets that are.

[rigid mango]

I think it's a pretty good one tbh

The only better crit one imo is spyglass

[civic palm]

Correct.

FM anyways

[rigid mango]

FM?

[civic palm]

furst mates

First*

GL on that though > _>

[rigid mango]

imo deadeye is also better

but it's not an on use so

[civic palm]

Well it is but of those Spyglasses one is clearly better.

[rigid mango]

Going well I see

[civic palm]

though I think Deadeye might be better in M+ than FM.

[rigid mango]

and yes, obviously the WQ one is way better but it's so rare to see a good one

Depends if u can pull around it

[civic palm]

FM is clearly better for Raiding however.

[rigid mango]

Aye

[rose sky]

For ST raid fights would 1 SS+ subterfuge be viable?

[civic palm]

1 SS for ST isn't going to ruin you.

There are better options but it's not going to be such a poor choice that you feel as though you need to change.

and yeah if you have another On Use having a second 2min trinket is poopers.

[spice sorrel]

should I roll SS/blightborne on my shoulders for m+? I got 2EB/2ttk and unfortunately rolled gorak tul's shoulders for the second time. It's blightborne or NP on that ring

[harsh sphinx]

2 goraks seem's pretty fortunate to me tbh

[rigid mango]

That's really good

btw

2 eb 2 ttk 1 ss 1 bbi

Is a decent set up

[spice sorrel]

oh, i thought you wanted 3EB/2ttk/1SS

sweet deal then, thanks

[rigid mango]

Yeah

that's also really good

but BBI is really nice in m+

I'd rank it somewhere near the top probs

[spice sorrel]

for the extra CP gen?

[rigid mango]

Just for the crit with 2 EB

It's really quite nice

Also it's decent on ST at the same time too

🤷

[spice sorrel]

yeah that's true

[spring iron]

What I don't like about Vigor is the rhythm

it's not always there where I want it....

I can stall it for 6 sec, but eh?

[crisp steppe]

What u mean vigor? The talent

[rigid mango]

nah

the trink

Mekka trink

[crisp steppe]

Ah

[strange python]

so 1BBI/3DD/1NP/1TTK is the supposec BiS for single target?
\

[drifting cloud]

no.

[rigid mango]

Only thanks to the TTK + DD piece having OP

[strange python]

oh the Cephalohide Jacket?

[rigid mango]

It's technically BiS set up on patchwerk because it includes 3 OP

Yes

[strange python]

whats another good setup then other than that?

[rigid mango]

3 dd 2 np 1 bbi

etc

[strange python]

ahj

[rigid mango]

3 dd 1 np + whatever else, NP's, BBI or even SS maybe

[strange python]

Lying in Wait vs. Longstrider ?

[rigid mango]

What?

[crisp steppe]

Whatever u want merkyah

[plush remnant]

I've got 10k residuum. Should I save for 8.2 or buy specific pieces? My gear isn't too bad for Assassination ST right now.

[crisp steppe]

Do u want to be stronger now or in 8.2

Rumor is residuum costs are multiplied by 25 for next tier

[rigid mango]

Are you even trying to push anything

If not

no reason to spend it for minor upgrades

if you are, think for yourself how much value you'll get out of spending it for a minor dps increase

and how much that actually matters

[charred crag]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[ornate gazelle]

At how many seconds do we refresh Garrote and Rupture?

[civic palm]

Garrote - 5.4 seconds
Rupture - 7.2 seconds

[ornate gazelle]

thanks

[nocturne gate]

rupture is with 5cp with 4 its at 6sec iirc

[lost horizon]

keep in mind, that's when you're able to refresh without waste, can refresh at any point after those times until it falls off

[tired thistle]

Did they fix the Shroud skip past the 3 mages in Tol Dagor?

[blissful crown]

Sitting here watching Dratnos mythic raid on stream, why is he running 3x SS 2x NP and 1x Infusion?

Dont we want Double Dose?

[civic palm]

For what boss?

The one with two targets all of the time?

Sounds like SS to me.

[blissful crown]

He said he never change when raiding cause that works fine all around

[drifting cloud]

well theyre on rasta, he should change after this, if he doesnt he just cant be bothered

but for first 6 his current setup is perfectly fine

maybe slightly subpar on 1-2 bosses

[civic palm]

Pretty much the only boss where SS is "bad" are the final three in BoD, everything else it's very good in.

[blissful crown]

Yeah he said he couldnt be bothered changing.

But i see ur point with 3x ss on the first 6 bosses, makes sense 😄

[drifting cloud]

yeah and now hes gonna reforge for last 3

or not 😄

[blissful crown]

haha 😄 he said he didnt do it

[drifting cloud]

he even went to the room ... to pickup coins

[blissful crown]

haha yeah

[rose perch]

My reforge is 40k!

from swapping sin/outlaw for m+

so just kept those traits for all of BoD

[tropic ocean]

better late than never o/

[real bay]

3x SS BBI 2 NP is strong tho esp with lurkers ^

but not quite at full st levels but still

[tropic ocean]

goodbye my 405 gorak tul's you did well

😄

[sullen hedge]

is stacking shrouded suffocation efficient?

or is there no reason to

[tropic ocean]

for multitarget, yes

[harsh sphinx]

efficient for padding them logs

[tropic ocean]

personally I just switch my helmet from dd np op to ss np op in raid for champion, grong, jadefire, rasta and having good results with it

[harsh sphinx]

prob save a lot of gold that way too, reforging for assas M+ / MA raid, 3xss etc is redic

[tropic ocean]

probably yeah I just have 1x champion 1x stormwall helm which fit that matter in raid perfectly fine

so I use 3dd 1 np 1 bbi 1 ttk or 2 dd 1np 1 bbi 1ttk 1 ss depending on boss

I guess with 3 ss you could log higher on the pad bosses but meh 1 is enough to log leggy rest idc

[harsh sphinx]

yee i've been dabbling in the 3xss 1np 1bbi 1ttk pretty fire for the first 3 bosses

[tropic ocean]

for first boss I can't really pad anymore since we just tank adds with boss and

demonhunter, warri etc go mental

😢

[harsh sphinx]

no tb-fok -envenoms for you

[tropic ocean]

not even 3 garrotes they die before they run out

[whole onyx]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

First research 8.2 Sin Essence notes Thank you Tisumi: https://tinyurl.com/y6ouut2o

[modest tendon]

What is the strength of 3xss and 2+NPs Iv only discovered this build recently, surely it’s always better to have dds instead of the nps?

[spice surge]

More burst, less overall

[merry zinc]

what are u guys playing for this week? i'm thinking about 3x eb 2x ss 1xttk but not sure if the 1ttk is worth it

[modest tendon]

Actually no 2ttk 1ss and 3eb but

[marble hemlock]

3eb 2ttk 1ss for me

[modest tendon]

Prefer 2ttk

[merry zinc]

allright, thank you

[modest tendon]

If there was any week for 3ss and 3eb it would be this one though haha

[jolly fable]

hi whats the flag called that you can shadowstep to?

[last zephyr]

Racing Flag

[jolly fable]

cheers

[warm drift]

1 ttk is not worth it? If my only options are 3ss3eb or 2ss1ttk3eb?

[tropic ocean]

@marble hemlock

❤

https://prnt.sc/nuvvjk

padpadpadpadpadpadpadpad

[real bay]

49

missing some stats for pad potential

[tropic ocean]

missing 420 helmet for maximum pad

[solid nova]

Why are your enchant texts duplicated

[tropic ocean]

i think its pawn and something else

[solid nova]

[tropic ocean]

but didnt figure out which addon it is

[slender sedge]

elvui

[tropic ocean]

do you know the option where to turn it ofF?

[blissful crown]

that feeling when you come home and open ur chest and get this one, and just cant feel the excitement 😄

even though it might still be better than kimbull

[tropic ocean]

gz

[blissful crown]

ty 😄

[strange python]

scrolling scrolling passing time
sees @tropic ocean picture
🤤that gear

[south breach]

he has ok daggers, the rest is not special

[tropic ocean]

i could eq 420 but

the sockets and stats carry

😅

[strange python]

I guess so

[royal lantern]

the gear is fine

but

that tmog+memeelf

thats the real crime

[tropic ocean]

h8rs gon h8

[rigid mango]

wdym rest is not special

his entire set up is near bis LOL

[tropic ocean]

🤫

[royal lantern]

gear is temporary

[rigid mango]

410 socketed spyglass and lurkers, insane daggers

[royal lantern]

tmog is forever

[rigid mango]

bunch of sockets

pretty mediocre imo

[royal lantern]

well

not even sockets on all slots

[tropic ocean]

i got 410 socketed dice too and 415 socket crit haste boots 425 socket haste mastery pants

[rigid mango]

legit

[tropic ocean]

🖖🏿

[rigid mango]

fu aus

[sullen pagoda]

😃

[royal lantern]

no socket+avoidance on all slots

[rigid mango]

I can't get higher than 400 vanilla trinkets

[royal lantern]

like, wtf, just vendor that crap allready

[tropic ocean]

But this is the best i can go for m+

Need the crit mastery ring from tos 😅

[rigid mango]

I've got

5% haste now

[royal lantern]

i feel you man, i still run a 400 ring and a 405 dice

[rigid mango]

[sullen pagoda]

its ok i still dont have bis ST chest 10+ azerites later

[tropic ocean]

Wdym

I got gorak today

[royal lantern]

does it even matter at this point, tier is over for most people

[tropic ocean]

After

[royal lantern]

and feels like many people skip crucible too

[sullen pagoda]

gorak was my 1st shoulders

[tropic ocean]

Idk how many shoulders

[sullen pagoda]

i guess my chest is paying the price for it

[tropic ocean]

Cant bother doing cos

[rigid mango]

Gonna start cos prog on sunday

I think

[tropic ocean]

Ppl are 2 dumb to handle debuffs

[royal lantern]

im busy looking for a somewhat decent new guild

[sullen pagoda]

my guild is doing CoS but im progressing on a fking holy pala cuz all our hpala trials were super bad

[tropic ocean]

Think we did 10 pulls or so

[sullen pagoda]

kill me

[tropic ocean]

Just farming mount and playing alts 💁🏼‍♀️

[strange python]

See what his gear does to people. 👀 spicy

[tropic ocean]

Sad thing is

[sullen pagoda]

i cant complain about gear while simming like 28.5k 🤷

[tropic ocean]

My alt has better gear with <50% keys and 1/9 m

[strange python]

I feel like that female sign is as inside joke 😏

[rigid mango]

spicy

I'd suck some quality nuts for that gear

ngl

Just those trinks pretty much

[vast forum]

i'd suck low quality nuts as well

[strange python]

Hahahahaha zine

[vast forum]

for that

[tropic ocean]

While this rogue is close to 1500 keys and multi 9/9 clears

[rigid mango]

Don't even test me

[tropic ocean]

Raiding not worth

[worldly iron]

only quality though, so picky

[rigid mango]

💋

[vast forum]

some of us don't just raid for gear 🤷

some of us like the challenge

[tropic ocean]

?

Noone raids for gesr