assassination

[torpid cradle]

pepega no reply

[marble hemlock]

the question is incomplete 😄

[crisp steppe]

no reply in 3sec

[marble hemlock]

what do you want to sim

[crisp steppe]

🤔

[torpid cradle]

for m+

[marble hemlock]

for m+ you can either take the dungeon slice sim for more of a "jack of all trades" approach to gearing, or do a patchwerk sim with 6-8targets that lasts ~40-60seconds

[torpid cradle]

what is better' the patchwerk with 6-8 targets?

or the slice

[crisp steppe]

how do you do m+

do you always go pack by pack

or are you doing higher keys

[marble hemlock]

depends on whether you want to have gear thats decent in all situations

or specialize for st or aoe

[dark crag]

If in doubt go 222

[torpid cradle]

nah only for m+

[marble hemlock]

well, m+ has bosses, priodamage, aoe all in one

each situation calls for different stuff

and since gearswap isnt a thing, you gotta make a decision before you start the run

what is it exactly that you want to focus on

wanna be aoe gigablaster? do a patchwerk sim with multiple targets

wanna be blasting on bosses? do a regular 2 or 3min singletarget sim

wanna do decent but not amazing on all of them? do slice

each one of those is gonna give you different results

[torpid cradle]

ok thanks

[marble hemlock]

and then you gotta take a look at what you wanna do, and make an informed decision about what would be best for the situation at hand

[torpid cradle]

i really dont awnna reforge azerite

everytime

just to change from raid to m+

[marble hemlock]

mhye

problem is

the 2 best raid traits, np and dd

are kinda useless in m+ 😄

[torpid cradle]

no i meant, i wanna freforge only if i need to raid

[rigid mango]

🔥 garbage

[torpid cradle]

not every week affixes

[zenith gust]

wait, outlaw is better than assa in mythic BoD? wtf? i thought assa was better for raiding except for a couple bosses... and its the other way around. wtf.

[marble hemlock]

well, you can run 2ttk, 2eb, 2ss

and its gonna be pretty viable in all situations

on heavy aoe weeks you might want 3eb instead, or in dungeons like KR/Temple dropping 1EB might be worth, but if you stick to the 2/2/2 youre still gonna be absolutely fine in any situation

[crisp steppe]

@zenith gust both are fine. I think assa is considered better in BoD 😃

[prisma carbon]

Outlaw is better on jadefire/opulence. Other fights you're better off playing w/e you're more comfortable with. I'd say Mekka-Jaina are all better for sin tho.

[marble hemlock]

most people just cant stomach progressing as outlaw

[crisp steppe]

idk how it is with good traits but for me

grand melee was -1.2% dps

[rigid mango]

yeah

[crisp steppe]

thats pretty reasonable for 25% leech

[rigid mango]

u only save

RP

afaik

[crisp steppe]

and you decrease your odds of getting tilted by a lot

[rigid mango]

I mean

I think for outlaw, the RNG is so visable

that you'll always tilt from seeing bad rng

for assa, you won't always notice it

[crisp steppe]

the RNG is bigger than most other specs. I think current fire & frost mage compete and then nothing comes close

but its also more visible for sure

[zenith gust]

i dont know, i just saw this and had a serious wtf moment https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#class=Rogue

[marble hemlock]

outlaw and assa both have a fairly high dps variance on ST

[rigid mango]

You do realise

that most of the parses here

are just insane pad parses

[marble hemlock]

when you check up on outlaw parses

you gotta keep in mind that the top10-15

are either heavy pad on purpose

[rigid mango]

by people literally playing to parse as high as possible thanks to only padding

[marble hemlock]

or just giga-lucky 2x5roll parses

[crisp steppe]

if their name is like asian type text u discard it TBH

[zenith gust]

sorry what's pad? not that good on english

[marble hemlock]

doing useless damage

http://puu.sh/DtKG4/03a7ff08f9.png

gotta love how my boy grimzyo is in there as sub 😄

[rigid mango]

Fucking legend

[zenith gust]

but... what is useless damage?

[rigid mango]

pad

[spice surge]

Why would you discard any of the asians lol

[rigid mango]

like

iceblockd dmg

on jaina

[crisp steppe]

they have a culture of padding

[spice surge]

?

[crisp steppe]

not neccesarily padding

but they are setting people up to succeed on parses

[zenith gust]

oh, when i change to only europe thing changes drastically, more close to what i thought https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#class=Rogue&region=2

[crisp steppe]

@zenith gust you might want to use statistics instead of rankings. unless you are also at the level of getting rank1s

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/21

put the % to something you are usually at

going to be a better indicator for you if you're wondering what you might want to play

[zenith gust]

dont even know what is a percentile

[crisp steppe]

75 percentile would mean you're top 25%

if you have logs of your own somewhere you can see how you do

[zenith gust]

its like the score u get on logs? when u get a purple /orange log?

that number?

[crisp steppe]

yeah

[zenith gust]

ok thx

i usually use ranking to see what talents they're using and trinkets/traits... is that ok?

[crisp steppe]

you can check both for sure

it might be that on your skill/dmg levels the talents make less sense

because of kill times, difficulty of using talents etc

if you know the fight you can usually make sense of it

why they would use certain things

[zenith gust]

sadly i'm forced to play frost mage in my raid since... we have none did first 3 on assa, then had to switch, cuz SPs and Locks "needed" a buff....

[crisp steppe]

well fire is quite good on some bosses, so is arcane 😃

[zenith gust]

i used to love frost in legion, i dont really like it in BfA. used to play subttetly in legion too, loved it with that DfA. then in BfA after checking i didnt like frost the way it is, went back to my dear rogue, but rip sub, so tried assa and loved it, but like i'm forced to play outlul for M+ so... i'm hating this expansion xD

[crisp steppe]

assa is great in m +

but ur right

[zenith gust]

it fucking is

but people your know...

[crisp steppe]

I played mage in legion and started bfa as rogue

[zenith gust]

they want the cool outlul

[crisp steppe]

because I knew mage was getting gutted

its just less interesting to play

nothing much to it

so if you swap class u don't notice what it could've been as much

idk I haven't had ppl tell me to swap specs

they see ur a rogue and they invite you

[zenith gust]

in tyrannical weeks usually the dont complaint, but on fortified they usually do

that's my experience tho

but yeah..

[crisp steppe]

sure

assa aoe is great nothing to complain about honestly but yeah its not played in MDI

[zenith gust]

yeah, but even before mdi

wasnt really a problem before passing 15+s

but now doing 19s and 20s people do

[rigid mango]

I mean

reason why it's not played in mdi is outlaw is just better utlity and bettter burst aoe

just play around 2x BF

[zenith gust]

on fortified with 3xeb and 3xss i do almost like my outlaw frined, sometimes even more than him, overall i mean

[crisp steppe]

don't doubt it

pretty silly how much value people attach to increasing their r.io score

[zenith gust]

but... people and spec racism

xD

[rigid mango]

sin has higher dps ceiling

than outlaw

[crisp steppe]

I think

assa slow has pretty good value for pugs if you don't have a superior or similar slow in grp already

gives quite some safety to tanks

[rigid mango]

I mean

[zenith gust]

main problem with assa from my point of view, is some tanks chain-pulling

[rigid mango]

assa relies

on not chainpulling

outlaw loses nothing

pretty much

[zenith gust]

not letting you get into stealth

[spice surge]

Chain pulling is fine

If they do it properly

[rigid mango]

if u get restealths

[crisp steppe]

restealths are good but like

[spice surge]

If they do it with like 2 mobs that have 40% health then its fine

[crisp steppe]

compared to say an outlaw rogue

[spice surge]

If they do it with 1 mob that has 5%

Then its garbage

[crisp steppe]

outlaw doesn't have 100% uptime on bf right

so it would be in assassinations favor to chain pull I think

[zenith gust]

no

[crisp steppe]

as far as comparing just those 2 specs go

[rigid mango]

no but

assa wants restalths

[crisp steppe]

yeah

[rigid mango]

outlaw doesn't care

[zenith gust]

if you run 3xss you want that restealth

for sure

[rigid mango]

if u run any ss u want it

tbh

3 eb

u just spread 3 ss 2 rup go fast

into fok spam

not getting those 3 ss slows u down so badly

[crisp steppe]

yeah

[zenith gust]

plus

i dont really see the benefit of chainpulling

take both packs, and if you cant, the fucking wait 1 second

then*

[crisp steppe]

context matters yeah

often you'd want to healer to dip out of combat for asec too

[visual quartz]

yeah, warr tanks seems to be notorious for that, pull next pack when last a is sub 25%

add*

[crisp steppe]

charge and leap 🤔

yeah its no good

like pulling that pack earlier does virtually nothing

since its just them dpsing

[zenith gust]

or just pull them together

[tiny finch]

i think i saw 1 freehold run with 1 ass rogue

cant remember the team unfortunately

[rigid mango]

There have been a few

[tiny finch]

i miss Acrobatic Strikes on ass though, it would be great

[rigid mango]

Yeah obv

[tiny finch]

got used to that range

[rigid mango]

It's honestly the biggest QoL in outlaw

there is

[zenith gust]

QoL?

[crisp steppe]

im happy assassination doesn't have it

adds some skill to multidotting

even tho there isn't that much of it with EB atm

[visual quartz]

makes sense we dont, daggers are small, swords are big

[tiny finch]

naah its just annoyng

haha

[crisp steppe]

having a positioning requirement makes it more interesting imo

once you have your dots setup u are kinda like outlaw tho

yeah you miss out on some autoattacks but its aigth

[tiny finch]

QoL - Quality of Life

i tried ass AoE spec, its very fun

should i just dot 3 - 4 targets with garrote ( shrouded suffocation trait on ) then Rupture to get the buff up?

is it worth to keep garroting the adds?

after the opener i mean

[spice surge]

You can only dot 3 with subterfuge

[crisp steppe]

for AoE no

[spice surge]

Its not worth applying outside of subterfuge in aoe sitautions

[visual quartz]

well 4 but not empowered on the 4th

[crisp steppe]

rupture is more energy than garrote

[trim forge]

Acrobatic strikes is super awesome. I always feel too close when I sin.

[tiny finch]

and the 10% dmg buff

[crisp steppe]

you just want energy to spam FoK with the echoing blades traits

[tiny finch]

i do fan of knifes 3 times then rupture a add

Elaborate planning, thats the name

[zenith gust]

by the way guys, on fortified and reapings, is it worth it to use CT? or better to use HB all the way?

[crisp steppe]

idk just 3* garrote, rupture, fok

[tiny finch]

after the rupture, since its a finisher i get EB then yolo

[crisp steppe]

just play poison bomb @zenith gust

I don't think elaborate planning is worth playing around in AoE. spamming more FoK is going to be more damage

unless the pack is gonna last

to the point you would have to start reapplying ur dots anyway

[zenith gust]

yeah but on m+ you end up needing elaborate planning for bossses right?

[crisp steppe]

yeah you use the talent

but if your goal is to do pure aoe dmg

once you have your energy regen setup from bleeds

you spam fan of knives

you don't use a finisher every 4 seconds to keep the buff up

[zenith gust]

and about poison bomb i take it on tyrannical, but on fortified i usually run HB. on season 1 i was using CT tho, that's why i asked

[rigid mango]

Pb > hb

[crisp steppe]

I haven't tried out HB myself but theres some rogues here that have experimented and done some maths and HB wouldn't win out in overall damage, and especially not in useful damage

[tiny finch]

and crimson tempest?

[zenith gust]

pb is kinda rng... and sometimes it doesnt proc or procs at the wrong time, while you usually get the full damage from CT and HB

[crisp steppe]

you can try scrolling up a fair bit or search for posts from seliathan

[zenith gust]

in my opinion

[tiny finch]

what do you guys think about it?

Fun wise, and dps wise

[crisp steppe]

I like crimson tempest but its not good

[tiny finch]

ah damn

[crisp steppe]

I haven't done the math on it to see whether it does more dmg than a single fan of knives

but you also lose poison bomb

its just that echoing blades is so strong

[rigid mango]

if u look through earlier

we had this convo already

[crisp steppe]

yeah

[rigid mango]

pb > hb

ct is bad

Tadaa

[zenith gust]

even with 3xeb?

[rigid mango]

yes

[crisp steppe]

eb does nothing for hb

eb does nothing for ct

[rigid mango]

Eb does

for hb

wdym?

eb increases fok dmg

[crisp steppe]

yeah tiny bit

[rigid mango]

yeah

[crisp steppe]

ur right mb

[rigid mango]

so it tives

[civic palm]

Not enough, which is the point.

[zenith gust]

why is CT so bad? because of being useless on ST? or why?

[rigid mango]

It's not worth using

when u can spam fok

it doesn't give energy reg

shit doesn't survive full bleed

etc etc

[spice surge]

I mean, it does slightly more damage than fok if you count the full dot (and well, assuming you have 3 echoing, otherwise ct does more)

[zenith gust]

the amount of PB damage on the tooltip is what is applied to EACH mob?

[spice surge]

yes, if they're in range of the proc

[bleak spoke]

Poison bomb would be cooler if the prof was an active you could bank

And empower your finishers with

[tawny shell]

Hard agree

[steep basin]

Does a subterfuge empowered garrote WA have to be a custom code?

[civic palm]

Yep.

[steep basin]

Any resource where i could find it?

[civic palm]

A WA that does that?

or what?

[steep basin]

Just wanted to find the code somewhere so I could make my own WA

[civic palm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steep basin]

But i guess its all different if custom

[civic palm]

Yeah the Garrote Empowerment WA in my stuff does.

[steep basin]

Thanks

[civic palm]

and I haven't found something better to replace it with.

[stone mesa]

should i hold toxic blade a couple of seconds for vend?

with 3 x nothing personal

[visual quartz]

think its more vice versa, but like 1-5 secs im sure is find, anymore and your wasting casts and should hold vanish/vend for tb cd

[main monolith]

hi guys one question , what trait is best , NOTHING PERSONAL // BLIGHTBORN INFUSIOn
im undecided

currently led DDx3 , twist the knife

[fast forum]

raidbots.com

[strange python]

BBI will prob sim higher

[lone junco]

youll want at least 1 np

[frigid spade]

Is there a trick to using the CoS trinket? I got lucky and ended up with a 410 socketed one. The dps is great even compared to plumage but the damage debuff actually hurts a bit in higher stacks

[empty tide]

i mean, if you're raiding you should be able to use the 30 s without any big problems, even on fights like mekka and jaina

not a major problem for healers

[strange python]

it cant be normal, that i must use evasion and crimson vail if i attack two mobs :S

[bleak spoke]

I mean we’re not very tanky

We just kill stuff very fast

[strange python]

yea ok but i leveld earlier a druid without heal and i dont have so much problem as moonkin

[bleak spoke]

Are you leveling?

[strange python]

yes lvl 119

[bleak spoke]

Well yeah cuz from range

You can talent into internal bleeding and kidney becomes your highest damage finisher

So you put your dots on get max cp and kidney

Or pull a bunch and kite them with fan of knives with crippling poison slow

[strange python]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/blackhand/ronkaji

that is atm my character

[bleak spoke]

Can have both crippling and deadly poison on at the same time

I’d recommend master poisoner if you pulled a bunch and kites though

[strange python]

i think about that talent too

[bleak spoke]

EP is only better if you’re taking advantage of it

[tropic ocean]

@rigid mango I guess this week in keys > 10 ct wont be bad

@spice surge if you're just spamming fok in trash, wouldn't master poisoner > eb

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tropic ocean]

someone pro with wa? im using sovv's group and I want to add numbers to the cp bar but im noob

[valid spoke]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

First research 8.2 Sin Essence notes Thank you Tisumi: https://tinyurl.com/y6ouut2o

[autumn stag]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[supple compass]

Do people stack ttk in m+ still or just take ss and eh now

Eb*

[rigid mango]

take ttk too

all 3 are rly good

3 EB seems pretty good atm

going 2/2/2 never hurts

[strange python]

so satisfying getting off 4 envs in a tb window

[lone junco]

am I pink?

ugh

[rigid mango]

I'm red

😃

[lone junco]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-ryan-reynolds-eye-rolls-annoyed-gif-7251381

[rigid mango]

Pay 5 bucks

get red colour

I say value

[civic palm]

@tropic ocean Figure out the CP numbers?

[tropic ocean]

@civic palm nope just came home 🙋🏽‍♀️

[civic palm]

Without custom LUA to display another output you will have to have the number at the left or right side if it's a bar like you mentioned.

[tropic ocean]

I have no clue

Where/how to put it

I use the wa fron here

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tropic ocean]

Sovv‘s

[civic palm]

Oh no those bars mean you will probably have to just go through the templates and make a Text aura that tracks the CP Resource.

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/nqcgkl

the yellow bar is cp and I just wanna add numbers to it 😄

[vestal wren]

then create a weakaura for the numbers

text aura -> ressources -> comb points iirc

[tropic ocean]

im completely lost

[vestal wren]

moment

you still need to format it to your liking and move it where you want it to show!novZUTnmm4NMDCfn)SbSJPboybW1oluz9gtvSKt1GJKH(jnPh6Z(OKCsd2UuadzkskYpYpsCeYq4acI4hjAc(oLwIq9gw5YQceAnApOEtIvt(bcCDZlg7kJs7ryErfRyncNQBBDspwDpffLRVJFMjpro8LEeoFJrRCVYOzN7Pe4tEeuuM5H5lpvlA)(CocnbN3Ci((n9cUN8mm8NhidCVQ5jLW)ccZO7K2gpftxe8op36jbkUTkTY9swMeZAjzVvTFV0gDVkv7dksIjCrbXhC0)Wo5rjv7H2w1je2oFgW2cSzRjxfblpMwegr4Zj3Y35m2DpAes8bespeHvMxPiNShIyGSe0d24jW3h9iL3QPuk7LDDlfUmSVaGvwzcaWQIYse08dYbpsbfIT7lP5J4r5si3ryp3T)zr5QfBkZV6JAo1tIDWJswwzQeQ(6O7Xmij2UU)sho1m9sRM39BQjgBavJ(gc)H4mv7zeklwe5bzx7WiYd1mw9J0ZiAUXCyNHGizWfVPfQBcCRLkmIo4EEKAgM0we1Mlby(6IIQOb1HCZ)gk)kJSDGfLX47UqQAdnttj5axP)8EFDi6Z5VpVSGWcR6T3F(xbUiwnV)mJLk3w1(CP(QXkEYYPLJNUkruSuKhSRgFpTR0z4PnsAOOjTKg68Qluwth35(pTU4A6)Om6SPZyZd8XVXPZjPZPXZ8Bry8DJgF3eeoskNooQh)7d

[tropic ocean]

nice

how do I attach it to the bar

so its over the bar

[vestal wren]

you can change it to be infornt/behind with that option (frame strata)

[tropic ocean]

when I move it to be inside the bar it hides behind the bar

(no matter what setting I pick there)

[vestal wren]

your bar need to have a very high setting there then

[tropic ocean]

I fixed it, ty

[prisma carbon]

Finally a gorak tul boi

[rigid mango]

[cinder palm]

Hi guys! What stats are people going for in M+? Crit Mastery?

[rigid mango]

yes

[cinder palm]

Ok thx:)

[opal meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/adPgAWyt5fdDSz6xDqupX7
I see people with like 29k dps am i just missing sockets?

[civic palm]

and crazy trinkets probably

[opal meadow]

my trinkets are kinda okay

[civic palm]

and yeah a ton of sockets.

a 425 Gift

etc.

[harsh sphinx]

tried MA and it was only a smidge higher for you. seems like it should be higher

[civic palm]

Also 2xSS > _>

[opal meadow]

MA with SS seems bad

[harsh sphinx]

no SS but ya it is

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/482Xpbb8wMhvaRR5YHp5bw

[opal meadow]

yeah i just realized i have the wrong chest on

[civic palm]

mmm

[opal meadow]

i think lack of 425 pieces is what's holding me back

[harsh sphinx]

420 weap with lurkers tho

idk, the power of sockets is too strong

[opal meadow]

yeah i just got the lurkers, was hoping it'd sim higher than galecallers but it's not by much

but galecallers sucks in game so its fine

[harsh sphinx]

i still use it but it can def be rage inducing

[meager nebula]

your neck isn't high enough for the extra 5 ilvls on your chest and shoulders

which gives a decent boost

[opal meadow]

I have the chest one now

is it showing as 415 still?

[meager nebula]

a lot of people have the zuldazar set as well

on that sim yeah

[opal meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7bWWSmYPQjDLrDCBZLGFVt

Probably 27k with MA

er

[harsh sphinx]

the 2SS build you linked prob slams on like grong/jadefire king

[opal meadow]

27k with 420 chest

yeah. i was using it for CoS first boss

[meager nebula]

are those shoulders okay for sin? they don't seem that great

[opal meadow]

double dose / tradewinds not too bad

Idk i have nothing better, kinda the bad part of azerite

[meager nebula]

yea

everyone else has 5 million sockets and the zuldazar 2 set

you don't

[glacial jasper]

Sockets are like 15 ilvls

[drifting cloud]

depends on your kill timer

because blockade kill times are between 5:30-6:30

[cobalt gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ptCs8QcESkRJQEQua5CaKc

mostly sockets/good trinkets

[onyx rock]

Crit Stack Boots are also a big boost

410 with a Socket sims 400isch higher than 425 BiS Stats Boots for me

[flint jetty]

@opal meadow I know it was awhile ago but I got it up to this with changing taits on shoulder adding chest and using the ring for the set. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aw2e9EA3dGezhYUfks29TG

With a diferent pair of shoulders and the +5 on shoulders youd probably beat me on sim lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8nusvpvLnc4fwyyJkwSeKT

[fading wigeon]

Hi Everyone, I have a quick question. Before I ask it, let me post my sim.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/noskTRv5GQbVhwvDsU7xQV

In M+ what should my rotation be when there are 3+ mobs with the traits I am running?

nevermind, I should have checked the guide first lol

[visual quartz]

the DD shouldnt be being used

1DD and 1EB makes you kinda want to both mut and FoK, just hurting yourself

[fading wigeon]

oh

what should i change the dd to?

I have every piece of azerite imaginable lol

[strange python]

This may be incorrect knowledge, but personally I run 3x EB and 3x SS. In AoE circumstances I put enough dots up to sustain my energy bar (typically 3x garrote and 3x rupture) then spam FoK until I need to refresh dots or too many mobs die to sustain my energy

If the azerite exists for it (probably does), I bet 3xEB, 2x SS, and 1 NP would be really good

I mainly roll with the aforementioned traits because I'm still collecting 415 azerite

[meager nebula]

@fading wigeon https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ePek7C5PGPF3ErfPnNQM2C its not great but thats the best you can get with what you have

[visual quartz]

yeah I run 3xSS 2xEB and 1xTTK, feels pretty good for aoe and solid on bosses

[grizzled mist]

i havent played since Legion, do i still want to hold off using Envenom until the Elaborate Planning buff expires?

[bleak spoke]

All variations of ss ttk and eb are good, except I guess 3 ttk 3 eb

That’s a little troll I guess

They’re also good for different reasons which is kinda cool

[fading wigeon]

@strange python @meager nebula @visual quartz thank you!

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[fading wigeon]

Ok bought some azerite pieces and got lucky.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3cnNrJi4hu1hKRXGf93Cbf

[rigid mango]

@strange python never take NP for m+, it's hot garbage.

[solar bramble]

curious about the ruby on opulence. does every sin dot tick count towards a ruby? or is it strictly casts (also does a double hit on mutilate give 2 stacks)

[rigid mango]

Casts

[solar bramble]

does mutilate count as 2 individual casts?

or one

[rigid mango]

I mean It can only be applied once a second

so it doesn't matter

[solar bramble]

and it fades if not hit for 5 seconds right?

[rigid mango]

I can't remembe whatever the number is, but yeah

[solar bramble]

so make sure to poison knife throw as your kiting out to drop gold

so the stacks dont' fall off

[rigid mango]

if no one hits it for a certain amount of time, it drops and that can be horrible

I mean

Are you doing mythic or heroic?

[solar bramble]

heroic

[rigid mango]

Yeah then you should have 2x rubies anyways

One on either side

[solar bramble]

the stack apply to the boss or the player?

[rigid mango]

Boss?

It's not an individual increase for YOUR damage

[solar bramble]

k, wasn't sure (usually run opal and go outlaw for that fight, so just some calrity)

[rigid mango]

it's the entire raids' damage

So you as a person lose out on a fair bit of damage

[solar bramble]

then i likely won't use the ruby then. since i'm usually the highest dps of my group. and instead give it to someone else

or at least top 2-3

[rigid mango]

You should rly be running 2x rubies

one on either side

mininmum

if you're dropping stacks often, add a 3rd one

[solar bramble]

we currently have 1 per side

[rigid mango]

Yeah then that should be fine

[solar bramble]

it hasn't dropped on the boss yet, but i'm not the one using it so just curious

[rigid mango]

Then you should be fine 😄

[solar bramble]

somewhat on topic. does bm's kill command also provide a stack (you may not know this one). if so then having one hunter with it would be very optimal

[rigid mango]

I believe BM hunters' pets used to apply it

Not sure about anymore

[solar bramble]

that way even if they gotta kite away, they will still be applying stacks

[rigid mango]

They're still good, since they can nearly always shoot the boss

Regardless of movement

[solar bramble]

ya if kill command/pet also applies then their good. if not then their a decent s ourcee to maintain stacks but wont apply them fast. since they only cobra every few seconds. and a 1 second gcd wouldn't build up very quickly

auto attacks also apply it though so i guess that'd count

[rigid mango]

like I said

It's hardcapped

to 1 stack per second

[solar bramble]

at 1 per second ya

[rigid mango]

So doesn't matter if you have an arms warrior beating his head into the keyboard

he can only apply 1 stack

[solar bramble]

ya. i was thinking hunter not for rapid application but to maintain stacks and ensure they 100% never fall off. even if a target gets gold

[rigid mango]

Thing is, another class should be able to make up

Since you should always be two

[solar bramble]

i'll probably stick to opal. i use it mostly for AoE burst on adds with outlaw most the time. but even on sin it may be useful. i'll consider taking a couple FoK traits since the AoE phase is what needs the most dmg

and allow someone else to run ruby

[rigid mango]

It's nto good to take EB

You can still do really good damage as sin on that phase

[solar bramble]

ik my ST suffers pretty heftily. it'd be strictly for the add phase

[rigid mango]

Yeah

but most of that is just paddmg

if u wanna pad there

go outlaw

their burst aoe is lierally their strength

[solar bramble]

lol, my outlaw atm has an 86% parse on that fight despite not knowing the class very well

strictly because of the 2 add phases

[rigid mango]

Yeah and I can bet that you either did more or were very close to my 100% parse on opu

so

[solar bramble]

my ST on outlaw is what i'm particularly not a fan of. i generally only pull him out on fights with substantial AoE phases. i only got that parse due to partial luck. i did several rerolls just before add phase to fish for a good buff combination. ended up with broadside + crit on the 2nd phase under lust . . . sooo . . . rng happened to favor me lol

so adjusting to sin there

is what i'll probably do

[rigid mango]

Just play it for

JFM, opu and rasta

Those three are highly outlaw favoured

[rotund mural]

Hello, can anyone tell me basic talents for m+ for someone who is new to assass? And no switch to outlaw jokes plz 😃

[rigid mango]

Rest of the fights are even

@rotund mural I'd bet it's in the pins my dude

[solar bramble]

sin talents for m+ . . . inb4someone says @pins

dang to slow

[rigid mango]

WEll

It's like this discord has a website attached to it

[solar bramble]

but ya for m+ i run 2/2/1/2/2/2/1

[rotund mural]

thanks @solar bramble i appreciate it x)

[solar bramble]

occasionally swapping to CT at really annoying fort weeks

[rigid mango]

CT 🤢

[solar bramble]

lol right

[rigid mango]

Just go TB and PB each week

never think

[solar bramble]

i swap to CT since i odly enjoy the playstyle. so if it's something i can get away with i'll use it on occasion

[rigid mango]

@rotund mural http://prntscr.com/nqijkl

[solar bramble]

i gotta get more comfy at using outlaw lol

[rigid mango]

you can swap first row if you are going full aoe blast and never use finishers

and you swap cheat -> elusive for ToS/Kr

imo

[solar bramble]

lol the rapid FoK spam into massive poison reapplications lol

[rigid mango]

I mean it'sm just that

if you're going for example

3 EB 3 SS, which I find bad

You won't really be using EP that much

After first applications of ruptures

[tropic ocean]

for opulence ruby outlaw/dh/warriors are good

[rigid mango]

just spamming fok

[tropic ocean]

simply due to apm

[rigid mango]

So if you're not intending on using finishers, no reason to take EP

[rotund mural]

i have 1 ss and 1 eb, rest are nothing personal and double dose

[rigid mango]

if your pulls allow that

[solar bramble]

my m+ setup is 3ss/1eb/1ttk/1np (tis what i sim better with. few gear options atm)

[rigid mango]

You never want DD/NP wulf

It's truly hot garbage

[solar bramble]

wulf yours is better for raids than m+

[rigid mango]

Like

DD is one of the worst m+ traits there is

[solar bramble]

dd is really bad for m+ with how much of your sources come from FoK

[tropic ocean]

@solar bramble you should remove np/reduce ss and take more eb

[rigid mango]

Since with DD traits

You want to Fok at 5 targets+

with eb traits

you want to fok at 2 targets+

they counteract eachother

[rotund mural]

damn gotta look at all these shortcuts of azerite names, don't know them all yet hehe

[rigid mango]

And ends up with DD and Np doing barely any damage

Double dose

echoing blades

nothing personal

[solar bramble]

it's a universal setup @tropic ocean that i just use in all situations. since i'm limited on azerite gear options at the 400 lvl (only 1 415). so i don't have the luxory of consistently swapping for raid and m+

[rigid mango]

fok = fan of knives

[rotund mural]

aha

[tropic ocean]

400 eb will outperform 415 non eb

I guess even 385 eb

[rigid mango]

Generally

[tropic ocean]

especially in this week with buffed trash

[rigid mango]

The ST traits aren't good

For m+

ocmpared to outlaw

Which is why it's so easy to gear outlaw

[solar bramble]

well outlaw ST traits = AoE dmg traits lol

[rigid mango]

Exactly

[tropic ocean]

for me personally removing 1eb in heavy trash dungeons usually results in 5-6k less dps overall

[rigid mango]

just go 5 ST and 1 wits

bang

[tropic ocean]

just go

[rotund mural]

besides echoing blades and shrouded suffication, what would you recommend as well for m+?

[tropic ocean]

anything and 1 wits

and bam

lol 😄

@rotund mural twist the knife

[rigid mango]

^

What ausgelebt said

[tropic ocean]

any eb/ss/ttk is fine or if you dont have ttk

[solar bramble]

my 415 is my EB + SS trait. sh oulders are ttk + SS, and helm is SS + np. the only helm option i have with eB is an EB + TTK. h owever that's currently my outlaws helm due to deadshot + ace

[rigid mango]

Blightborne is good too

[tropic ocean]

ss/eb only is fine too (lacking some prio)

[rigid mango]

(if you have goraks)

[rotund mural]

oh nice ihave a lot of twist the knife

[tropic ocean]

@solar bramble and you dont wanna reforge? it will pump your dps (sky is the limit)

[rigid mango]

Like

if u don't do it often

it wont cost you more than max 100g a week or smth

It's not a lot

[rotund mural]

yeah i just got burnt out of outlaw a lil bit, sorry xD

[tropic ocean]

personally I just use lower pieces

https://prnt.sc/nqilrm

[rotund mural]

wanna play assassin worgen 😛

[tropic ocean]

I use this atm instead of 420 helm cuz its so much stronger in m+

[solar bramble]

i'm only doing like 13-15's atm and my dmg is more than high enough currently. . while i could push it and resepec it all the time. i do it so often that it would end up very pricy quite quickly

[rotund mural]

well thank you all so much for this info, i will use it wisely ^^, ty all again!

[tropic ocean]

when in doubt > press fok

[solar bramble]

i could switch from ss + np to ss + ttk. but switch from overwhelimg power to gutripper.whirl

[distant lava]

np

sucks

in m+

[rigid mango]

what dj said

@distant lava 👋

[solar bramble]

i'd have 3ss, 2ttk, 1eb in that helm swap

[rigid mango]

OP is still good for m+

That set up is a far bit better

^^

You want to get rid of all haste, and get OP's instead to make up for it

[tropic ocean]

if you raid you can try to get conclave chest

which is good too with eb ss

rastakhan shoulder good too

[solar bramble]

ya i have too much haste right now for m+ lol.

gotta switch it out for some mastery

or more crit (28% atm)

[tropic ocean]

def more crit

[rigid mango]

Just aim for ~35%

crit

[solar bramble]

but that'll be hard to do. i have crit on like every piece i have lol

[rigid mango]

and after that pour everything into mastery

[tropic ocean]

i currenty sit at 30% crit 44% mastery unbuffed

and I want more crit

[rigid mango]

I'm at like

35% crit with 39% mast?

[solar bramble]

1 ring, and my back. are the only 2 pieces without crit for me

[tropic ocean]

yeah but theres good and bad pieces

[solar bramble]

whats your ilvl? i'm sitting at 405

[tropic ocean]

like you want high crit low mastery combo

[rigid mango]

415 equipped I think

[tropic ocean]

on literally every piece

[solar bramble]

ya, if i had them available i'd make those swaps

[tropic ocean]

i still have some pieces with low crit high mastery gotat switch em

[rigid mango]

I'd say 35% crit

[solar bramble]

atm it's mostly crit/haste double stats

[rigid mango]

After that

just go full mast

[tropic ocean]

crit just has such a high value with eb

[solar bramble]

i'm at 28% crit, 19% haste, 28% mast which is way to mujch haste

[rigid mango]

Ye

[tropic ocean]

yeah

[rigid mango]

I'm at like

6% haste

[tropic ocean]

you can compensate some by using boralus trinket

[rigid mango]

I think

[tropic ocean]

and use mastery and crit weapon enchant

[solar bramble]

lol i wouldn't go under 15% haste. even if it's a dmg gain. cause comfort

[tropic ocean]

?

[solar bramble]

well probably under 10

[tropic ocean]

im at 7% haste

and want less 😄

[rigid mango]

I mean

just go

as low as you can

[tropic ocean]

in m+ you basically don't starve energy

[rigid mango]

and get as many

op triats

and 1 haste ench on weap

to make up for low haste on bosses

[solar bramble]

well ya you have ruptures out giving you so much energy haste isn't an issue. it's only on bosses that it's useful

[rigid mango]

And there u go

[tropic ocean]

yeah but when you go higher

and affixes allow it you'll pull trash to boss

or at least reaping

[empty ravine]

someone teach me

the art of sin

[rigid mango]

Check pins

read that first

[tropic ocean]

stack eb - press fok

[empty ravine]

with the talent

[rigid mango]

come back with questions

[tropic ocean]

sin-sensei

[solar bramble]

pins = always where you start

[empty ravine]

master assasin

[rigid mango]

dude

go

[empty ravine]

well im just use to the sub

[rigid mango]

check

pins

[empty ravine]

okkkkkkkkkkk

[tropic ocean]

is

[rigid mango]

There's a guide ther

[tropic ocean]

this

1

line

per

enter?

[solar bramble]

no

[rigid mango]

y

e

s

[solar bramble]

it's

not

[rigid mango]

a

u

s

[empty ravine]

awe

[tropic ocean]

back to MSN good times

[solar bramble]

lol

[rigid mango]

MSN

[tropic ocean]

yeah i have a cam but its broken o/

[solid nova]

Knock it off

[solar bramble]

ET you'll always be told to go to the pins if it's a common question. they'll generally be answered there

[rigid mango]

😦

Yeah I mean ravenholdt guide will tell you a bunch

[empty ravine]

i know

[rigid mango]

Just come back when you have questions regarding the guide 😄

[empty ravine]

i guess my question specifically

is for azerite traits

when you have master assasination

youd get double dose

[rigid mango]

If you have any SS traits

[empty ravine]

over garrote trait

[rigid mango]

(shrouded suff)

You go subterfuge

Any number, at all

[empty ravine]

oh

[rigid mango]

if you don't, you go MA

[solar bramble]

1+ ss = subterfuge | no ss = MA

[empty ravine]

oh so the subterefuge is better?

if you have the traits

[solar bramble]

MA is a mostly ST boss fight setup if memory serves me. with mostly double dose and np

suberrfuge with shrouded in m+. or even raid fights if you have shrouded

[rigid mango]

It depends on the boss

Saying raid wise here

[solar bramble]

subtefuge just loses a massive amount of value without shrouded.

[rigid mango]

MA set ups are better for the last 3

For Sub + SS to be better

You need to get off 2-3 empowered garrote per vanish use

(and opener ofc)

So for fights like mekka

[empty ravine]

well i use sin for raids

[rigid mango]

where you can't, MA is hjust better

[empty ravine]

and outlaw for m+

since i have 2 sets of azerite gear

pretty much best azerite gear for both

[rigid mango]

So what's yours etup for sin, for raiding?

[empty ravine]

subterfuge

[solar bramble]

i wish i had better outlaw traits :(. think i'm in maybe 1 or 2 deadshots lol

sub + what?

[empty ravine]

open with 2-3 garrote

[solar bramble]

what azerites

[rigid mango]

Ye what's your azerite ^^

[empty ravine]

i have 3 nothing personal 2 ss 1 dd

[solar bramble]

with shrouded open is garrote > rupture > garrote

[rigid mango]

[solar bramble]

with tthat it's 100% subterfuge

[rigid mango]

It's good for the first 6 bosses

[empty ravine]

ya but i could get azerite trait

[rigid mango]

but not having 3 DD for the last 3 is sorta bad

[solar bramble]

MA is useful with 3 DD/np and no shrouded suffocation

[empty ravine]

i should say i could try for better azerite gear

and if master sin is better then i can respec my gear to have 2+ dd

[rigid mango]

Mekka chest

and 1st boss helm

are good for MA build

Same for JFM shoulders iirc

[solar bramble]

i love my first boss helm. i'm working to get mekka (heroic)

[empty ravine]

ya i got first boss helm

was nice

btw the boots from uutar

[rigid mango]

Got goraks so no use fo JFM shoulders

They're good

if the fight allows it

[empty ravine]

are they better than just boots with stats

just got the boots 410ilvl

[rigid mango]

If the fight allows it, yes.

[empty ravine]

what about the pants

[rigid mango]

mediocre iirc

[empty ravine]

i use them for sin

[solar bramble]

my current chest is raiment of the blighted tribe at 415. with only gonk outrunner as my 400 option which is bad lol

[empty ravine]

i have 415ilvl pants

with haste and mastery

and 405 coc pants

[rigid mango]

I mean

sims'll tell you

[empty ravine]

i use 405 pants for sin

[rigid mango]

🤷

[empty ravine]

ya

i know

:p

[solar bramble]

ya idk about that for sin. for my monk a 10 ilvl loss still favored the CoS leggings

[empty ravine]

i still need daggers above 400ilvl :c

[solar bramble]

i only have 3 400's 😦 . . . . but ya. on high m+ keys do you get multiple item drops? was watching a few runs and streams where people were getting 2 items a run at times. (not sure if they reolled + completed since i see it often enough)

nvm went and read up on it "every keystone higher is a 40% addiative chance for an additional peace" . . . . so a guarantee'd 3. and at a 15 it's a guarantee'd 5? with 7 pieces at 20? or is it capped at 4-5

[crisp steppe]

the 40% is correct. don't think theres a limit

[solar bramble]

so a 20 key is 7 pieces guaranteed then? and a 15 is 5?

i haven't gone past a 13 yet so idk

[spice surge]

yes

Or well, you still get +1 if you time it

[solar bramble]

well that makes doing 15's much more appealing now. I was waiting a little to start pushing a lot higher

[spice surge]

so depends on that too

[solar bramble]

it's 2 base, with 40% per key and a +1 on time is what i'm gettting. so a completed 15 is 5 with an uncomplete 15 as a 4 item chest

[spice surge]

Correct

[solar bramble]

(chose 5 becas;ue it's an even interval 40 x 5 = 2

.4x5*

good to know

[fading wigeon]

Is there an optimal way to use hidden blades?

[rigid mango]

Press FoK

[fading wigeon]

Haha

Love it

Thanks

[stable oxide]

After how many targets is Scent of Blood good?

I see that there are some assassination rogues using Scent of blood on Cabal Mythic

[past marten]

What healing do you guys prefer next to Lurkers? I am currently experimenting with Deadeye instead of Dice and I like to delay the last Vendetta (if boss dies within 1,5m) until I get the Dead Ahead procs

Anyone else who experimented with that?

[cobalt pelican]

sob is only slightly less agility than treacherous with 2 ruptures up with no downside, so 3 consistently probably makes it fine

and i don't ever hold for something like that really, even though in an ideal world you want both weapon enchant procs up with a trinket proc on the last one if you can it just never seems that realistic

[past marten]

true, it's not an everyday situation - but for the last Vendetta, might as well give it a go

[cobalt pelican]

and while crit might feel like the best stat for that window it doesn't mean it really is, if i had to guess if you have any np you'd probably want mastery, so just take whichever trinket is actually better for you

you can try yeah, you can pretty much guarantee you'll get the trinket window but you might miss an enchant proc to do so etc

i just fire it off and pray to the gods assuming i'm not waiting for some other external thing

[past marten]

yeah, I cannot control all random variables obviously.. but I figured I could try the most impactful

[bleak spoke]

Hb doesn’t change your playstyle in aoe

Just at 20 stacks you press it on ST

[plain sleet]

if you use plumage do you use it pre-pull ?

[obtuse cedar]

no it cancels stealth

[plain sleet]

yeah

i mean

[obtuse cedar]

use it paired with vendetta

[plain sleet]

pre pull and stealth after again

[obtuse cedar]

huh no

it's 20 sec

just as long as vendetta

[plain sleet]

cool

[visual quartz]

just macro to vend, lines up perfectly, with MA all 3 are in line entire fight, feels nice

[solemn meadow]

got any tips for cabal?

[steep basin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[zenith gust]

How do you use CoS trinket? On cooldown? Aligning it with vendetta?

[wispy kernel]

Evening guys. 415 yulon with a socket or 400 dice?

[tropic ocean]

400 dice

Yulon is poop

[rigid mango]

@zenith gust yes, with vend

[zenith gust]

Thx mate

[rigid mango]

Shares cd with it

Use it like you would plumage

[errant viper]

Guys

Are alchemists stones trinkets any good for us?

Liike, would you say they're worth crafting?

[rigid mango]

Depends what your current trinks are

[tender frost]

Is there a weak aura that displays when your garrottes and ruptures are buffed by subterfuge.

[errant viper]

Yes

Many

[rigid mango]

What trinks are you running atm @errant viper

[tender frost]

link diddly me the prettiest one. I did have one but it doesnt work anymore for some odd reason.

[errant viper]

Running 370 Loaded Dice and 370 Chargestone of Thunderking's Court

[rigid mango]

And you're intending on making the 400 alch trink?

1. this is super easily simmable ngl

2. if it's 400, I think it'd be an upgrade, 30 ilvls is a lot

[errant viper]

Was thinking of making the 385 one

But was wondering if going for that line of trinkets is good or nah

will probably sim it, yeah

Wait, just read above..

does subterfuge buff rupture?

[rigid mango]

No

[errant viper]

Was confused for a moment there

[tardy sluice]

Does anyone know if feint works on Crushing doubt on mythic restless cabal?

[errant viper]

@rigid mango Just to be sure, to sim it I'd have to create 3 gear sets, one with my original trinkets, one with trinket A replaced with alchemist stone, and one of with trinket B replaced with alchemist stone, right?

Kinda new to sims, still not entirely sure what I'm doing

[rigid mango]

Yes, I believe that's the case

[errant viper]

Thanks!

[solemn meadow]

why are details damage number so different from actual log numbers?

I dont really do damage on cabal adds

like only when visage is up

and its like 10k difference?

[civic palm]

huh

[rigid mango]

There shouldn't be that big of a discrepancy

[solemn meadow]

and it logs it said 42k

idk why

[solemn meadow]

Are those the 3 casting adds?

I dont even deal any dmg to those

would be funny to cheese dmg tho

[warm sable]

Can rogue somehow survive solo Gold shower on mythic Opulence ? For exemple evasion+cheat death ???

[civic palm]

no

[solemn meadow]

you can get a bubble

from a paladin

[civic palm]

_>

[solemn meadow]

how much dmg is overkill so cheat death doesnt proc?

200%? or smth

of your hp

[civic palm]

Something like that yeah.

[solemn meadow]

anyone here progressing on cabal aswell? or already got it killed?

[dark crag]

28k club without a hundred sockets and goraks https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pR2yAzXuWqGgX5jrEi5MZD

[solemn meadow]

gratz man

crazy trinket proc

still dont have mekkamongo chest

3 ids in a row no drop :/

[dark crag]

i have 2

the azerite gamble is too random, i hope the pieces of the next raid are good too

[solemn meadow]

I only recently rerolled

so I dont have that many ids

[tall basalt]

if i mark pre-pull, would it be better to open with rupture or garrote (assuming i have subterfuge)

[rigid mango]

Don't play mark

[tall basalt]

i thought mark was the go-to

or did that tier get changed

last i played was when the race for first jaina was going on

[rigid mango]

It's bad

Just go vigor

Always

mark hasn't been good for longer than that

Vigor's been the go to for a while

[tall basalt]

alright

thanks for the heads up

[last parrot]

hey boys after 5months of wow-break I am back - could anyone give me a fast re-startet tip?
I saw m+ nearly all guys playing outlaw, raid a mix of outlaw and assa..
So I was assa, is outlaw rly that good now? ^^

[rigid mango]

They're close

They can do diff things well

Outlaw is simple to gear, and has a lot of utility

[solemn meadow]

in dungeons you wanna go with outlul

in raid the other one

[rigid mango]

in 8.2 you'll probably see sin being better

I wouldn't say that @solemn meadow

sin is rly good for m+

[last parrot]

sin?

[rigid mango]

assa

outlaw is just simpler to gear and play

[solemn meadow]

assas - sin

[last parrot]

ah sin lol xD

[rigid mango]

^

both are very good

[last parrot]

ok is outlaw still this reroll rng thin?

[rigid mango]

I play sin for both and have good times on either

yes, outlaw is still based on roll the bones

Sin has a higher dps potential than outlaw

[solemn meadow]

well its good that the current mythic + affix benefits outlaw

aswell

[rigid mango]

<- name

[last parrot]

ok why is outlaw simpler to gear? not that stat dependendd?

-d

[solemn meadow]

well you can use more weapons too

and dungeon trinkets are better for outlaw aswell I believe

for assa you want new raid trinket + dungeon trinket

[rigid mango]

Well

Outlaw just gears everything

The raiding azerite and m+ azerite is the same

apart from that you only need one keep your wits about you trait for m+

Meanwhile sin's raiding azerite is 🔥 garbage for m+

[last parrot]

ok ty so far 😃

assa still exsan for that burst on prio adds?

[solemn meadow]

exsan?

[rigid mango]

No

You go tb

[royal lantern]

exsang is.....not good right now

[rigid mango]

for nearly every situation

[solemn meadow]

oh lol

I was like

wth is exsan

[last parrot]

haha ok

shit I loved that

boss dmg sin should be > outlaw

still right

[rigid mango]

ye

Sin is better on ST

outlaw can outperform on constant cleave/multi target/burst aoe

[last parrot]

ty alot

will stick to assa first I guess

if it will be better with patch anyway

now gotta gear up again lawl

whats your neck level? I am at 34 geez 😄

[tall basalt]

holy

[rigid mango]

atm I think mine is like

47 o smth?

[tall basalt]

i swapped to MA/vigor from subter/mark

[rigid mango]

but I barley play the god damn game

[tall basalt]

and my dps over doubled

[rigid mango]

Well ye

sub/ma is diff tho

sub is still good

if u have SS traits

then u always take sub

[royal lantern]

i miss sub/ss opening

big dick dps MA opening combos are cool and everything

but sub/ss feelt much better

[winter pecan]

My neck lvl is 48 no point to farm the last 2 unless slight dps increase

[rigid mango]

Ma openings feels so good

Sub + ss feels so good on several targets

As I saw your question, CT isn't particularly good

whoever is about to type it here

[civic palm]

lol

[rigid mango]

here he is

😄

[charred lantern]

yo guys should i go CT on fortified week? i have 3x ss and SoB-TC-TtK

[civic palm]

No.

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/nqnwir

[civic palm]

Reason: Less DMG.

[rigid mango]

Fuck

he didn't see it

What miz said

tha I also said

[charred lantern]

so i go PB for every occasion?

[rigid mango]

Yep, pretty much

[last parrot]

what is SS

[charred lantern]

alright great

[tall basalt]

shrouded suffocation @last parrot

azerite talent

[last parrot]

ah lol ok