assassination

[rigid mango]

Overall? Maybe, but not very likely

if you want to go for overall

you stack more ebs and go full aoe spam

It's more down to how your tank pulls

but sin brings valuable dmg to the table, not just pad dmg

you're dealing damage to what needs to take the dmg, not just "arbitrary" damage that will be dealt sooner or later

The issue is also that you can't chain pull

sin NEEDS restealths

[fallen bay]

Isn't sin better for bolster than outlaw?

[rigid mango]

to keep up with dmg

I'd think so, yeah

For a lot of situations yeah they are

[fallen bay]

Cause you can control more aoe and not bolster mobs, not like blade furry

[rigid mango]

So if your tank is inexperienced with sins etc

you might get fucked over, because contrary to outlaw, you need restealths

Yeah

Sin can pick and choose what target dies when

much better than outlaw

[fallen bay]

So if tank is chain pulling you better play outlaw right?

[rigid mango]

without sacrificing as much dmg

Yeah

defo

Outlaw only gets an ambush

[lost sentinel]

at least don't rely on SS doing much heh

[rigid mango]

Sin gets so much more

but also loses so much more if they don't get the restealth

[fallen bay]

But chain pulling IMHO doesn't help with timer cause it's better to prepot every pack no?

[rigid mango]

Well

It's not only chainpulling

but reaping spawning mid packs

no restealth

you lose dmg

You can't just wait for the pack to run to you and press bf

you have to sacrifice 3x SS'd garrotes

[lost sentinel]

it's annoying when the tank waits the mob is like 10% then chain pulls... like why didn't you chain pull earlier or not chain pull at all

[rigid mango]

which is where a bunch of your dmg comes from

yah

like I said, inexperienced tanks will cuck you

[subtle drift]

Then i guess i will wait t see how badly Outlaw will be nerfed and switch then

But outlaw begins to bore me

[rigid mango]

I mean outlaw's barely getting

nerfed

they lose value at like 3+ targets

[lost sentinel]

have they said what is being nerfed?

[rigid mango]

but gain more value at 1-3

yeah

check the blue post

[subtle drift]

yeah?

[rigid mango]

yeah

What happens now is how wits stacks

[subtle drift]

i only saw that it will be nerfed, but not how

[rigid mango]

instead of it stacks every time an attack blade flurries

it's per attack

[lost sentinel]

could you link if you have pls

[rigid mango]

so it's not 1 button press, 10 things flurry you get 10 stacks

well

20 stacks, iirc

but now each instance gives 5%

isntead

of 2

https://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=43523&region=eu

[lost sentinel]

ty

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/nbij38

[subtle drift]

Ty

[rigid mango]

So yeah

raid outlaw is probs gonna be better, esp cleave

but mass pull outlaw is worse, defo

Opens up for sin that'll probs be the best spec fo m+

[subtle drift]

Then it doesnt matte rmuch cause reaping is gone anyway

[rigid mango]

but outlaw will probs be a really good raid spec

Well, it still does

nearly every pack is 3+ targets

so outlaw loses dmg on nearly every pack

meanwhile sin's not losing anything

[grim canopy]

Its back to everyone being Sin

[fallen bay]

Is difficult of sin similar to feral?

[rigid mango]

uh

[grim canopy]

no

[rigid mango]

not really

Sin is more about

pooling

etc

[grim canopy]

Sin is pretty easy imo

[rigid mango]

feral is way more about snapshotting

well

[lost sentinel]

dot things, fok... kill priority target

[rigid mango]

Sin is easy to pick up, mostly

[fallen bay]

I think I got problems with pooling energy, how can I learn that?

[rigid mango]

but min maxxing is where it becomes a true pain

hm

like

[lost sentinel]

dot more things

[rigid mango]

you don't NEED to learn too badly

pooling for TB is a basic hting

that's not hard

but it's when you get into trying to minmax EP uptime, envenom usage

tc

[fallen bay]

I got problems on ST most with pooling energy, aoe seems easy

[rigid mango]

etc*

Well

aoe there's really not much pooling

[lost sentinel]

aoe I think comes down to efficient GCD use

[rigid mango]

you have enough energy at 4 bleeds

to spam fok for example

you pretty much have perma energy

[lost sentinel]

ST comes down to keeping dots up, and cooldown use, pool for TB if using TB, good dots up for the bleed thing that escapes my mind atm

[grim canopy]

sin st is so low apm dunno how can mess up

[rigid mango]

Well it's down to decision making

Pressing right globals at the right time, maxing out the value of each one

Whilst also not dropping bleeds etc

[remote kraken]

@rigid mango what is ttk and bbi? blightborne infusion ? and the other one plz?

[lost sentinel]

do we know when 8.2 is landing aprox?

[distant lava]

probably this summer

at least in 2 months

[grim canopy]

3 months

[strange python]

Did they nerf outlaw yet?

[grim canopy]

8.2 is the "go back to sin everyone" patch

so not yet

prolly a few DHs that went outlaw will go back to DH as well

[distant lava]

they announced the nerf, did not do it yet tho

[thick galleon]

should i envenom at 5 combo? or is 4 enough?

[solid nova]

4+

[rigid mango]

@remote kraken ttk is twist the knife, and bbi is indeed bligbhtborne

[remote kraken]

thanks mate

[rigid mango]

All finishers are 4+ afaik @thick galleon

[thick galleon]

thanks

[rigid mango]

@solid nova Could there be a sort of ez pez m+ guide made for all the people swapping to sin with the outlaw changes?

Like super basic

[solid nova]

I think the Outlaw adjustment is overstated as a bad change.

[rigid mango]

Yeah ofc

[drifting cosmos]

Thought a lot of outlaws were sin

[rigid mango]

doesn't mean a heard isn't coming sin's way

[distant lava]

you'll have to answer questions

[solid nova]

Spec fluctuation is pretty normal based on nerfs/buffs

[distant lava]

and hit em with the

[solid nova]

Uldir this was the only active channel lol

[rigid mango]

Yeah dj

but a lot of m+ shit isn't always covered

[solid nova]

m+ guide is actually something thats been wanted for ages tbh

[rigid mango]

why did flawless leave us 😠

Yeah I mean

[solid nova]

I mean once theres a valid one theres no reason it cant be added to the pins

[rigid mango]

most of the questions here are about basic m+ traits

Yeah

I get that

Just need some1 to make one

Seli or someone

[sudden brook]

somebody smart will make it once the rerollers come around for 8.2

dw

[rigid mango]

Yeah

one can hope so

but most of the questions'll come now, and when 8.2 drop

ig

[latent gazelle]

Our DH wants to reroll outlaw rogue because I always out do him. Told him he better get familiar with sin to because 8.2 lol

[rigid mango]

i mean

outlaw'll be fine

It's a shift of power

Just that sin might inch ahead for m+

[latent gazelle]

Yeah I figured that.

It’s mainly because of the MDI.

[rigid mango]

?

[latent gazelle]

That he wants to switch.

[rigid mango]

I mean

[latent gazelle]

Everyone’s using outlaw so I do to

[rigid mango]

what levle do you guys do

[latent gazelle]

Not high. Slowly workin above 15s

[rigid mango]

Yeah then you shouldn't care at all about mdi

rogue dh elly is still one of the best push groups

[latent gazelle]

Oh yeah I know. I still play sin for certain affix and dungeons

[rigid mango]

Yeah but lke

They're blasting through

18's

That are quite easy keys, these aren't push keys

It'd be diff if it was push keys

this is just aoe blast keys

[sudden brook]

proper play matters more than playing mdi comps

[rigid mango]

^

[latent gazelle]

We don’t have an ele. Have a BM or WW. Which is fine I guess

[rigid mango]

ww is still nutty

1 caster is normally ok/neat to have in a lot of situations

esp with the hero n st dmg that elly brings to that team

idk, people shouldn't care about mdi meta

[latent gazelle]

Most of our guild/casters just want to get their 10 done and afk the rest of the week since we got AOTC

[rigid mango]

it's not indicative of the actual key meta, atleast not as much as people think

Ye fair enough

[latent gazelle]

I’ve been rogue awhile. I think he just wants to switch from DH because well idk

[rigid mango]

I don't do keys with any guildy, none of them push

[latent gazelle]

Maybe he finally figured out DH is boring

[rigid mango]

oh wait, not 18's they're 19's now

nvm

same principal though

[latent gazelle]

I think my group will get there. Just have slot of alts that everyone likes to run with to so our mains group doesn’t get much chance to push

[rigid mango]

I just push w randoms out of LFG that I felt were good

🤷

[latent gazelle]

Ive started to every now n then. Slightly below 1400 io so much higher is hard to get into

[rigid mango]

Do own keys or just abuse the fact that you're a rogue

it sucks to try to catch up when people are super elitist about score, class, spec etc esp with mdi being here

[latent gazelle]

Yeah I agree. Im sticking around the 14-16 range atm. Fishing for weaps above 400 but my rng is crap.

Would be nice if higher keys have higher chance at W/F. T/F

[rigid mango]

Gear matters so little though

Get decent gear and like 408-410 range

and you can push quite high, down to play more than gear

[latent gazelle]

I’m at 411 overall range tho. My azerite is pretty good for both sin and OL

[rigid mango]

Yeah then ur gucci

Just play good

[feral solstice]

Ilvl doesn't matter that much, I timed 18 with 397 group and timed a 17 with my 390 + another dps low gear aswell, keys are about how you pull and how you deal with the fights

[rigid mango]

Timed an 18 with a group that averaged 397=

?*

[feral solstice]

Yea 4 guys 397 and one 404, was tol dagor tho

[rigid mango]

kek.

Fort td

gear doesn't matter

Just rush cannons

tadaa

[cosmic pier]

Tol Dogor OMEGALUL

[rigid mango]

I think any fort week

anyone can do TD key 2 levles above what they're used to

like

taht key is so stupidly easy

There's nothing that makes it hard on fort

[latent gazelle]

Lol I do cannons for my group but they like to try and damage the adds I’m shooting so I always kill them

[rigid mango]

Well

[cosmic pier]

man sure am glad i've had nothing but shrines this week PepeHands

[rigid mango]

then they're dumb

[feral solstice]

It was actually a tyr week

[rigid mango]

as shit

man

[latent gazelle]

Yeah lol

[rigid mango]

I had a 20kr

[latent gazelle]

Makes me giggle

[rigid mango]

last week

now

19 KR

19kr tyr 1st and 3rd boss with bolstering mini boss room?

Nah

[latent gazelle]

19 KR tyr. Kill me now

[cosmic pier]

eh mini boss room not too bad, just dont mongo the small adds

[rigid mango]

Not only tyr, tyr is doable with the right group

well

Everything becomes aids

w fucking bolst

[cosmic pier]

i prefer tyr KR

fort is a nightmare for tank damage

[rigid mango]

Yeah

Iron wire

Idk yeah

honestly no clue what's worst

shite dungeon regardless

[latent gazelle]

The cutscene after 3rd boss heading to Zul always gets me killed

[cosmic pier]

stand in the corner next to the door to proc it before you go through

also you should be skipping that 5 pack

[rigid mango]

Yah

[latent gazelle]

We usually shroud past to boss. Then I pull and group runs by then I vanish

Tho the past couple of runs they been stomping me

[cosmic pier]

i dunno, just make sure your whole group starts the cutscene before shroud (they wont pull from the corner) then make sure you distract in the middle of the pack so you hit all 5 mobs

[shy dust]

With echoing blades and 4 bleeds up already and no priority target do we just spam fan or still use envenom?

[rigid mango]

Depends on ur traits

If you're 3x EB and no TTK's, yes

Depends, what are your other traits @shy dust ?

[shy dust]

sec checking

2 EB 1 TTK

[rigid mango]

Then probably no

like, the other 3 too?

[shy dust]

2 SS 1 TC

[rigid mango]

ah then ye no

If you're gonna go into fulll aoe pad blast

then yes, you spam EB until shit dies

With a more cleave/multi target prio dmg spec like you're currently running (and I would recommend)

You just use FoK at 2 targets

[shy dust]

Oh okay ty!

[rigid mango]

and just dump into envenoms

or to refresh/keep bleeds up ofc

[distant lava]

to get ttk traits in your build you'd rather drop SS traits than EB right ?

[rigid mango]

Depends on what you're running atm

how many of either

[shy dust]

I can drop one SS for TTK

[distant lava]

i have triple SS triple EB

[shy dust]

Would that be worth it?

[rigid mango]

hm

[distant lava]

not really playin sin atm but trying to say updated ^^

[rigid mango]

if you want a tad bit more prio dmg, yes, but I'd stick with the 2 ss

I wouldn't play that spec

dj

but yeah, drop an eb

[distant lava]

tbh i really like triple SS triple EB, i love exsang sin

[lost sentinel]

I'd run it, heh

[rigid mango]

Playign a worse outlaw?

It'll probs be decent post 8.2, depends on what the seasonal affix is ofc

I'd run it for memes or if my entire group is ST based

[distant lava]

yeah my problem is i don't really apreciate TB sin i find it so slow

[rigid mango]

If you play outlaw, yeah

[distant lava]

that's why i'm kinda on outlaw nerfs

[rigid mango]

you'll feel like that

[vestal carbon]

hey can any1 help me with choosing my traits for m+ as assa.

echoing blade or double dose?

twist the knife or double dose?

[rigid mango]

Nver

[vestal carbon]

nothing personal or scent of blood?

[rigid mango]

double dose

You mainly use fan of knives

to gain CP

so you never truly get the value of DD

so for your traits I'd use eb ttk and sob

for the ones you just asked

[vestal carbon]

secrets of the deep?

or double

[rigid mango]

Probably secrets?

Idk

Weird trait that I honestly don't know how good it is

Yeah

secrets

[vestal carbon]

dagger in the back or ttk?

[rigid mango]

ttk

[vestal carbon]

would be my 2nd ttk

[rigid mango]

ttk

ss

eb

bbi

are all really good

for m+

[vestal carbon]

tysm for your help

[rigid mango]

np, gl 😃

[vestal wren]

wait, whats the reason you wrote 1 trait per line

[visual quartz]

I roll 3Xeb, 2xSS 1 scent for fortified weeks. want to loose the scent but havnt found anything yet 😦

[rigid mango]

beause i type like taht

when i stress type

idk

[tropic ocean]

^hes from the msn messenger era

[rigid mango]

idk it takes longer to type techincally

idk why i do it

[distant lava]

i do the same, splitting everything in small messages

my friends hate that

[rigid mango]

same

😦

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[nocturne gate]

is it worth in m+ just to take 1 EB ? or just sim yoself

[zenith gust]

how do u use hidden blades on single target? wait for the 20 stacks?

[rigid mango]

Yah

@nocturne gate It's worth to take one, It's hard to sim for dungeons

[nocturne gate]

i know but i wasnt sure at all

[rigid mango]

It's worth to take 1 or 2

before becoming pad spec

ofc depends on what ur other traits are etc

[nocturne gate]

yy ofc

[solar bramble]

is there any trick to not getting touched by wave of light on champions. namey in pugs when you can't always expect it to be tanked in a way to avoid the adds

directing the beam over several

[distant lava]

ithink if you stand in the boss's hitbox it doesn't hit you

[civic palm]

Yeah it spawns in front of him, so there's a bunch of safe space.

[solar bramble]

so treat it similar to the 2nd to last boss in boralus. where you stand in the hitbox and just auto dodges it

while also doding blinding

[civic belfry]

what is the minimum CP you want to use envenom and rupture at?

[tropic ocean]

4

for envenom

rupture also <4 for rotational fluidity

[civic belfry]

ok thanks

[primal gazelle]

3 EB 3 SS Hidden Blades bis for m+

Confirmed by mdi 😂😂

[civic palm]

w/e works

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silk glacier]

Is NP useful for M+ or is it a raid only thing ?

[civic palm]

It's better than DD in M+ at least > _>

[strange python]

im using np because no triple ss trait

its good for boss/prio damage anyway

[uneven needle]

Hey, kinda random question; I noticed Gamerdads brought a Sin rogue over an outlaw for a fortified key, and the sin seemed to pull better numbers than the outlaw. Why bring sin in MDI? Can I switch to sin as a casual and expect to pull as good dps as my outlaw spec?

[strange python]

they are top of rogue players in the world

[civic palm]

As a casual it does not matter what you do.

Have fun.

[strange python]

although i have no clue why they brought assa instead of outlaw

maybe personal preference by morning

who knows

[silk glacier]

Slows or Priority dmge

Maybe

[strange python]

slow for necrotic stacks might be a reason

still morning pulled some serious numbers on his assa

props

[silk glacier]

Was he running exsang?

[strange python]

yes

and hidden blades

triple eb triple ss

[bleak spoke]

Morning loves assa

[strange python]

wonder what Seli will say about that ^^

but anyway number wise he owned

[silk glacier]

On Fort that actually sounds fun

[bleak spoke]

I need an eb ss helm for some pad magic

[strange python]

i have 3x eb but only 1 ss

thats why i dont run exsang

[uneven needle]

But would sin be as effective on lower keys (10ish) where the mobs die too quick for dots to ramp?

[strange python]

not really

but on 10ish keys it doesnt matter really

play whatever gives you more fun

[silk glacier]

Poison would be better maybe

[uneven needle]

Get it, thanks

[bleak spoke]

Honestly while 3tk might be more effective in a well controlled group I think 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss might actually give you the highest chance of just bulling your way through a key with overall

[thin kernel]

u wont even notice the difference when u get 3 and switch to exhang

[bleak spoke]

You do on st

For sure

Your opener goes bigger number

:^)

[thin kernel]

yeah and drop like a rock, its like 0.5% ahead

[bleak spoke]

Nah not even ahead

But exsang in lust with a galecallers always makes me smile

[silk glacier]

That’s a lot of haste

[rigid mango]

I mean I think if you're gonna go pad

And wanna just go for overall dmg 2ss 1 bbi 3 eb

is gonna be the highest you can get

Even though I just realised that's literally impossible, anyways 3 ss 3 eb

[lone junco]

rip agi.

havent run my rogue in a month or so.

but lol.

[rigid mango]

Yeah

I was wearing kraken's eye

LMAO that was not worth it

[cobalt gyro]

"we want item level to matter more than secondaries"

[civic palm]

Well for azerite anyway > _>"

[rigid mango]

This is the shit

That should get you banned

Wow ur so funny

[civic palm]

waow that worked

[rigid mango]

I mean it felt pretty obv, but still

[civic palm]

If it's an issue ping someone :3

[solid nova]

@fringe socket post like that again and I'll ban you

[civic palm]

Someone != Me, just... for reference...

[rigid mango]

What?

[primal gazelle]

Ttk build is a very common build advertised from this discord, but if you look at top100 logs of each dungeon. It’s mainly dominated by ss/eb traits with very minor group running 2 or more traits of ttk

[strange python]

but are they running an outlaw

🤔

[old knot]

2xEB, 2xTtK, 1xBBI, 1xSS, 3xOP felt kinda lackluster. I'm assuming 3xEB, 3xSS feels a lot better with Exsang?

[rugged jetty]

is there any info for the lurker's insidious gift trinket yet?

like how good is it for us

[neon owl]

does ass benefit more from dh chaos brand debuff or monk touch? tyty

[strange python]

I want to say chaos brand

but I think it might actually depend on the build you're playing

[little forge]

In M+ im pretty sure its the monk one, more than 50% of my damage is physical there

Just check your logs / damage meter and check % physical vs % magic for your build*

[primal gazelle]

definitely monk touch

[cobalt gyro]

autoattacks/bleeds are a decent bit of your damage

i'd rather buff all of those than buff just env and dp

[civic palm]

buffthat

[strange python]

any Lurker Insidious Gift simulations?

raidbots doesnt sim it right

[civic palm]

wait till we have final numbers on the trinket before looking for figures on it

[spice surge]

Assuming the numbers stay the same it's very strong. The question isn't "will it be the best trinket", but moreso "by how much is it the best trinket"

[stable pine]

What traits everyone is running for Tyrannical?

[rigid mango]

Ttk ss

Bbi eb

[fallen bay]

Are there no more azerite emissaries?

Didn't seen one for a week or more

[autumn stag]

Do you guys run TB or Exsanguinate?

[rigid mango]

tb

exsang could be better if you have triple SS

[tender creek]

5 months ago I started playing, I had played for a month in pandaria and I decided to play again last year. I use weakauras to help me in pandemic effect, but my dps does not match with my ilvl. I need to change anything like my azerita head or my status?

https://worldofwarcraft.com/pt-br/character/us/nemesis/Byuntaengoo
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/nemesis/byuntaengoo
https://raider.io/characters/us/nemesis/Byuntaengoo

I had a couple of trinkets to replace too

Gallecalle's boon 400

[strange python]

first thing you can do better is opener

https://i.gyazo.com/5c334587bc506d3f6f5c115f74d4fdea.png

you are using subterfuge and ss trait

try to garrote 2 adds + boss on champion of the light

and dont refresh it untill it runs out

[ripe nimbus]

Sprint on pull???

[tender creek]

I will try this, thank you ❤

my pally tank runs out with horse i don know why

dont*

[strange python]

sprint on pull is fine

some guilds do not stack first adds

so before they split u can double garrote 2 adds

[tropic ocean]

do not use garrote over garrote from stelath

stealth* let it run out

[thin kernel]

u had garrote uptime of 80% on grong hc

[ripe nimbus]

Shadowstep is infinetly better then sprint but thats not even needed ur a rogue u can stand right next to the boss lol

[tropic ocean]

for your ilvl ur dmg to first boss is good

[strange python]

also try to use double dose trait if u have more

[tropic ocean]

your log is grey because you didn't boost it by add cleave

[tender creek]

my dmg in second boss is the worst

[strange python]

i see you are using only 1

[tropic ocean]

so you shouldn't care too much about that

[tender creek]

I'm trying to buy another 415 head pice, but wow send me the same piece again

[spice surge]

The reason his parse is grey is because he used a regular garrote right after his vanished garrotes

[strange python]

unlucky

[spice surge]

Nullifying all of SS and subterfuge

[ripe nimbus]

2 whole GCDs were wasted just sprinting to boss

[strange python]

how so?

you can pre-sprint 3s before pull

and no gcd is wasted?

[ripe nimbus]

2.5 seconds before he even hit boss

[tropic ocean]

@spice surge if you're talking about mythic champions

its hard to get a good parse unless good geared and shortkill time

or heavy add cleave

his boss dmg was good, not bestor worst in his group

[spice surge]

So you're saying wasting 2 traits and a talent point

is good?

[tropic ocean]

no

im saying he shouldnt worry about his % log color

[spice surge]

Why not? Thats the relevant part?

[strange python]

if he wants to improve (which obviously is the case why he's typing here) he should pay attention to his log

[tropic ocean]

his main flaw in mythic boss kill is hes overbuffing ss

thats it

[spice surge]

You can definitely get 99% without ever touching the adds

[tropic ocean]

not sure with 408 ilvl and 2.50 killtime

[spice surge]

@tender creek If you use garrote when you have an empowered garrote (ie one cast from vanish or stealth) you will overwrite it

[strange python]

parses at this point of raid depends on how fast you kill the boss

[tender creek]

I want to improve, ppl on my guild say you are doing fine girl, but i'm not doing fine when ppl with 400 ilvl do more impact than me :/

[strange python]

faster kill = better parse

[spice surge]

So instead of having your garrote buffed by 2 SS traits and subterfuge

Its just a regular one

Which is like 200-300k lost damage

[strange python]

@tender creek just remember to not overwrite ur empowered garrote with regular one

its better to let it run out

and then refresh

[tender creek]

@median pawn i will try this

[spice surge]

And most of your traits are awful

[tender creek]

i let it run out or refresh when it has only 6 secs left ?

[wanton glade]

@tender creek I would also suggest to change dagger in the back with TTK -- Irontide's has TTK in the second ring yes ?

[spice surge]

Let it run out

fully

[strange python]

let it run out

[tropic ocean]

@spice surge idk u can get "99 log without touching adds"

since I have 95 log with 30k dps

so wouldnt care too much about % log

thats 1:50 killtime btw, so heavily depends on your roster as well

[ripe nimbus]

Fyi faster kill doesnt always mean better parse and can actually mean a worse parse

[tender creek]

@wanton glade i will change this

[tropic ocean]

^its either killing as fast as possible

or killing as slow to get 2nd vendetta in

[strange python]

@tender creek if u want you can send me pastebin with your simc, i'll do topgear sim for you so you can use the best possible combination of your traits/items/enchants

[tropic ocean]

but since with current gear the 2nd part is unlikely, killing it asap usually is the better way to parse

[tender creek]

I can paste simc here?

[strange python]

no, the simc is too big

[tender creek]

ok

[rigid mango]

just screenshot the top gear

[strange python]

just use pastebin and post the link here

[ripe nimbus]

Their are multiple guides that show u how to sim dont let others do it for u. U learn nothing that way

[rigid mango]

xd?

Someone helping and you understanding how they helped you is the same as (if not better) than doing it by urself

[strange python]

@ripe nimbus not everyone has prem raidbots and simming every single item will take hours

without premium

[tender creek]

https://pastebin.com/8AgZttVa

[rigid mango]

Aye, shit's a pain in the ass

[wanton glade]

@tender creek Your trais are indeed awful tbh. Unstable catalyst and meticulous aren't rly good. Yet, Eleem was on point, if you play subterfuge with SS (which is correct), refreshing an empowered garrote is the worst mistake. So you effectively lost 18sec from the first garrote (I am not even mentioning that you should garrote the adds for a better parse, as well as some energy regen).

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/nbswwl

That's what your azerite should be looking like

For raiding atleast

[strange python]

yeah, you need to get better traits asap

[rigid mango]

near 100% sure that'll be the best set up without simming it

[strange python]

not gonna lie, your traits are ass 😄

[rigid mango]

You need first boss mythic helm^^

and then just reroll chest

until you get ceph/spymaster

and then you're good to go

Or mekka chest, dunno what you're progressing

[tender creek]

@wanton glade i never garrote adds, i will try to garrote the adds in the opening
i'm try to get better azerite piece, but i get the same head 2x next weak i'll try i new chest

[livid kestrel]

Hey guys, for m+ should i aim for 3SS + 3echoing ?

[rigid mango]

Nah

[strange python]

eys

[rigid mango]

I mean

you can

[strange python]

yes*

[rigid mango]

if you want to, but that's like playing a worse outlaw atm

[wanton glade]

@tender creek I would think that Scent is better than Unstable -- at least more reliable. I wish you better rng 😃

[rigid mango]

If you want to get a more balanced build play more less eb's with some more ttk/bbi if possible

[tender creek]

@rigid mango i try the first boss mythic but always get azerita in the roll bonus ¬¬'

[rigid mango]

?

[livid kestrel]

Oh yeah heard of ttk too

[rigid mango]

Yeah

It's sorta there

You can do that if you want

and your overall dmg will reflect better most likely

[wanton glade]

@livid kestrel depends on what you wanna achieve 😃

[rigid mango]

But on a week like this esp

You sacrifice near all your ST dmg

I mean

It depends what he's running with

[swift timber]

2-3 eb then mix of ss and ttk is how most high assas do it atm I think

[rigid mango]

more than anything

nah

1-2

eb

if you don't want to go full pad

[tender creek]

@rigid mango about azerite head, i'm trying to get this piece, but when i kill first boss never drop and in the roll bonus they send me azerite for my azerite hearth

[strange python]

what are you talking about

[rigid mango]

If you want to go 3Eb, you just go all in and go 3 ss

[warm sable]

Gore-Splattered Vest is good too because it will give u that 1xSS in rotation ...

[rigid mango]

ah ok

Well

not everyone wants ss, nor need^^

Raid wise atleast

[strange python]

most people use ss for 6/9 bosses

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/nbsz9i @tender creek

[strange python]

in raids

[rigid mango]

Yah

the ones were ss is normally a bunch of pad dmg

in a lot of cases atleast

[strange python]

@tender creek https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jfDcEoSeavsNLrYYS98StA

https://i.gyazo.com/9d55f4e06c0889effde0c26108f65de7.png

[tender creek]

galecalles's is better than kimbuls?

[strange python]

for raids? by far

[rigid mango]

If not pure st

where kimbuls could be better

[wanton glade]

@rigid mango what you mean pad dmg mate ?

[rigid mango]

but it depends on fight

If you want to go 3x eb ss

all ur doing is being a worse outlaw rogue

atm

[warm sable]

Yea i like it i am not even changing it for whole raid ...

[rigid mango]

It could all change for 8.2, and it's probs gonna be a good spec to fill in what outlaw loses

But atm, if you go that set up, all you're doing is being an outlaw without ST traits

Esp on tyr weeks

[spice surge]

@tender creek Even if you improve your gear like others have pointed out, the most damage gain you could get is from simply playing better

1. You're frequently wasting combo points by using mutilate at 4 combo points, you should be using finishers here instead.
2. Your bleed uptimes are decent but far from perfect, they should be 95%+, preferably 98%+. Yours are typically between 80-90%, which means you lose out on A LOT of damage and energy
3. Check the proper opener found in the guide in the pins here.
4. You should almost always line up vendetta with vanish, using them separately is suboptimal.
5. STOP using garrotes after you dont have subterfuge from vanish up anymore, you can only get 3 casts inside it and you overwrite your garrotes in a lot of your logs
6. You are not using tb enough (nor efficiently, but thats harder), missing out on between 10-20% of all possible casts on most fights

Im sure i can find more things to nitpick, but gear isnt the main issue

[rigid mango]

Hence why I recommend going multiple ss, 1-2 eb and fill in the blanks with ttk/bbi

[ripe nimbus]

its not comparable to outlaw and outlaw cleave and sin AoE are completely different. outlaw maintains single target dps while cleaving everything around it.. Sin just AoEs

[rigid mango]

Yeah

and when it comes to ST

sin has sacrificed every trait to get equal dps to outlaw

yet outlaw still has 5 ST traits

[tender creek]

@spice surge yeah i didnt know about garrote, i always think that i need to refresh this with 6 second left, but i will let it run out and try to follow your tips

[spice surge]

You are refreshing it right after you apply it

[rigid mango]

but if u go heavy SS + ttk + bbi with 1-2 eb you'll end up being really good at lower target count with a more prio dmg focused build

[spice surge]

You go vanish > garrote > garrote > rupture (now your vanish buff is out) > garrote

Almost always

Which is horrendous

[tender creek]

i use only 1 garrote?

[spice surge]

Or 2 right away, just dont use a garrote outside of your subterfuge buff

[ripe nimbus]

u should plan ahead and have enough energy to Garrote, finisher, Garrote but if thats not possible just garrote, garrote

and then dont overwrite it

[tender creek]

garrote, garrote, rupture, mutilate, toxic blade and evenom?

when i dont have subter ploc i can refresh it with 6 seconds? someone here tell me to dos this a time ago

something about pandemic effect

[rigid mango]

When the garrote isn't empowered

By being cast from stealth

[lost sentinel]

you refesh below 6 seconds when it's not empowered^

[rigid mango]

You reapply it every time under 6 seconds

When it's been cast from stealth/vanish

[lost sentinel]

when it is empowered you let it run out and garrotte right after

[rigid mango]

you reapply after last tick

[tender creek]

oh ok i didnt know this

thank you guys

[lost sentinel]

yeah, check guide

I mean it's all there

[rigid mango]

you NEVER want to overwrite an empowered one

You lose so much dmg

I mean

Depends what you want from it

do you only do m+ and only raid hc?

[swift timber]

mostly yeah

Wouldn't mind doing more mythic raiding but atm not rly doing it

[rigid mango]

Tbh it's a really weird situation

[swift timber]

all my gear has been farmed for outlaw but I am pretty fkn bored of that spec

[rigid mango]

Is that all ur pieces?

like idk

[swift timber]

well I have some lower ilvl pieces that I didnt bother simming https://i.imgur.com/PhYtXqJ.png

most of them are pure single target traits

[rigid mango]

You have pretty good peices for m+

So it's either chest or shoudlers, which sorta sucks because raid has both pieces

Mythic, that is

[swift timber]

well I dont think im gonna be getting the mythic jaina shoulders any time soon

[rigid mango]

Tbh both'll be fine

well not jaina

but conc/rasta

[swift timber]

ah

[rigid mango]

Those pieces are pretty good for m+

[swift timber]

for raiding do you just stack nothing personal

or is it ttk ss also

[rigid mango]

DD

[swift timber]

ah

[rigid mango]

3DD

And then you need atleast 1 Np

[swift timber]

3x NP is just a dps padding slow fight build or what

[rigid mango]

SS is pretty good for the first 6 bosses

Nah

it's just not worth it a lot of the time

[swift timber]

ah

[rigid mango]

3DD is normally the core, 1 NP is a need

after that you can your own way pretty much

Atleast last 3 bosses, the first 6 normally have SS in there

Since a lot of the time you can get atleast 2 garrotes off out of stealth and using vanish

[swift timber]

ss prob only worth on mythic grong?

heroic only 1 add

[rigid mango]

Hm

probs

idk if your group's good enough you can enitrely ignore add

and blast boss with full pure ST build

[swift timber]

well I'm too lazy to do any guild related stuff so I just do pugs

haven't seen a good group in a while

[rigid mango]

Aye

Well now that the mythic lock has been lifted

you could pug mythic too, atleast the first 3 are quite easy

[swift timber]

yeah I was gonna do first few bosses then raid leader randomly left so my group lock got wasted

better luck next week I guess

[rigid mango]

🤷

[swift timber]

so basically if I wanna do mostly m+ next week I should get 415 chest for EB? and raiding I should get shoulders for DD

[ripe nimbus]

What do u mean 3 NP isnt worth it most of the time???

[rigid mango]

In a lot of cases, other stuff sims better^^

I mean your m+ set up atm is pretty good

Either one can result in upgrade or down grade, I'd rate your pieces near equal

[swift timber]

guess I'll just flip a coin and see what happens

[rigid mango]

Yah

If you want to argue about 3np

for pure st

3dd 1np 1 bbi 1 ttk

is the best set up possible

for assa atm

[ripe nimbus]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[rigid mango]

Oh please

don't link bloodmallet

when talking minmaxing sims

[swift timber]

I think np only wins when u get good vendetta timing right?

[rigid mango]

Champs helm, goraks shoulders and ceph chest

is the best set up

possible

atm

because it gives you 3x OP

Np is flat dmg, every time you cast it

and it's a really good trait, it would've been 3 dd 2np 1 bbi

had there been a chest

with dd np and op

but there isn't

[swift timber]

mhm

[rigid mango]

thus, the best POSSIBLE set up is what I already said

[ripe nimbus]

Which is affected by Haste and mastery. and is super good for shorter fights which 90% of the raid is at now.

[rigid mango]

If you could pick and choose exactly everything, a dd np op chest

[swift timber]

if fight is 5 min 50 seconds instead of 6 min 20 seconds u feel pretty bad too

missing out a vendetta with 3x np

[rigid mango]

So yeah @ripe nimbus Np isn't the best at 3 stacks

Myeh

It does suck a bit

but 🤷 nothing much to do about it tbh

[swift timber]

ah btw how's the vendetta usage in m+ like 15+, just on cd?

[rigid mango]

you use it whenever you can

on a target that'll most likely survive

but always have up for bosses

[swift timber]

aight

[rigid mango]

So after a while you'll get a feel for it

[swift timber]

same with vanish I suppose

if pack survives garrote

[rigid mango]

esp if you run with 1 specific group

Yah

Well it's also a substitute stealth

if for example awkward reaping spawan

spawn*

mid trash clearing

you don't get a restealth but you'd love the 3 garrotes to get to perma energy for FoK

so you vanish and set those up

[swift timber]

true

[rigid mango]

assa is way more reliant on tank

[lusty field]

i wonder what the next seasonal afix will be...

[rigid mango]

Everyone does

[heavy skiff]

Wasnt it a healing affix?

[rigid mango]

We don't know yet.

[heavy skiff]

I heard that it would be a bubble thats placed on ppl

And healers have to outheal it

Or something like that

[lone junco]

cloak.

[rigid mango]

Yeah, we don't know yet

afaik nothing's been revealed

[lone junco]

personally id like something that doesnt punish healers even more.

[rigid mango]

Miniboss

or smth

would be funny

[distant lava]

tbh st burst would make sin even more insane

[lone junco]

Team effects are best. iom

imo

[distant lava]

i want to see something

that interacts with payer skill not class

like a dodge fest sometimes

[lone junco]

winds.

that would suck tbh.

[distant lava]

but not during fight so that melee aren't too favored

[heavy skiff]

Some rain that constantly falls and u have to doge?

[distant lava]

i mean something that doesn't make or break a spec

[lone junco]

sanguine, quaking, volcanic wind.

[distant lava]

just you're a good player -> you do good on the affix

[lone junco]

god. winds would suck on shroud runs. or boss mechancis. or pretty much a lot of finesse.

beats fear mechanics though. fuck loss of player controls.

but its prob not beefy enough. maybe time to swap that for quaking or volcanic

[long anchor]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[tropic ocean]

wasnt there 3 affixes revealed when bfa came out?

there was some affix that makes u deal less dmg when full hp or smth?

wait wrong one

[lone junco]

any affect that dps ignore and pressures healers alone probably shouldnt stack.

[tropic ocean]

i cant find it now but when bfa came out there was some wowhead page i think about potential affixes and it was infest reap and one that makes u deal less dmg when full hp and one that makes enemies immune to cc

[lone junco]

no battle rez would be nice

[strange python]

imaging being top3 rogue in the world on mekka

[spice surge]

Sloot said that during the summit they had when they asked, blizzards response was that "something aszhara themed, but we dont really know yet"

[strange python]

and pulling without stealth

https://i.gyazo.com/6ea83a49f13ea5a5e81386c17b6e2c86.png

[spice surge]

Mekka is 100% rng

[strange python]

sure, but still

started without stealth

;D

[spice surge]

Get bombs and shrunk = bad log
Dont get it = good log

[tropic ocean]

interesting opener

[spice surge]

Tbf with MA starting in stealth is actually incredibly minor

Although his opener is odd

[strange python]

with MA

do you vanish tb envenom

or tb before vanish

i see people doing before and after

[tropic ocean]

😄

[spice surge]

doesnt matter really

[strange python]

lmao please

[tropic ocean]

I usually do tb before vanish

phishing for crit mutilate dd

since my tb doesnt hit that high :/

[spice surge]

Well, on average tb hits higher than mutilate unless you have 3 DD

[tropic ocean]

and if lucky on crits 2x envenom crit is good too

[spice surge]

So its not that TB doesnt hit hard

[tropic ocean]

mine hits for 80kish smth

I usually vanish with 4 or 5 cp then envenom>mutilate (hope for crit)> envenom

not sure if best option but it looks really nice opening on 60k+

😄

[timid cloud]

Heyo, I'm in a bit of a rut here, I'm trying to see if I should by the BBI shoulders or the NP & DD chest or just leave it, I'd like to bounce some ideas off & see where I can improve since I keep seeing different things. As well as other pieces of my gear. Anything would be appreciated.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/Cydone

[spice surge]

You already have the best chest

So if you are gonna buy something its shoulders

[timid cloud]

I was under the impression that x3 NP & DD were the best off of Mekka.

[spice surge]

There are 3 dps traits on every piece

Overwhelming power namely

[timid cloud]

Yeah, the OP over the UF

I see.

Anything else seem amiss?

[round fossil]

Dusting rogue off after long long time. Assassination or combat for levelling and casual m+?

[gloomy slate]

Assasination since combat is not a rogue spec anymore

[oblique copper]

Hello. How do you think I should spend my ~10.3k of residuum?
Mostly for ST (though I would like to save some to get ss+echoing blades head&shoulders for m+, if possible).
We're only 6/9. And I reckon we'll be stuck there for a couple of weeks at least, so chest from Mekkatorque is out of the question for quite a while.

5 min ST vendor droptimizer: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5wxo2xaGNCF5HDhcZdt8kv
same but BoD loot table: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3aHLgtU7YcKqNvtLHx99oq
recent top gear ST sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4jkoCW6bRa9DvujKZTqvyT

[gloomy slate]

Outlaw is better for mythic + though

[oblique copper]

it is

it's just that I madly want to test out that combination for some reason

[lost horizon]

Sins still got its place

[spice surge]

Outlaw is not strictly better for m+ than assa no

[lost horizon]

Sin in ML is juicy

Any time you pull enough trash back to back that you'd starve on BF charges, sin pulls ahead

[fallen bay]

I guess is how you good at spec pretty good assa can pull more than outlaw but that's it with Ever spec and class I think

[gloomy slate]

I still play sin in m+ because it's what I like but still believe outlaw is better for trash and reaping. Not so much for boss pulls.

[fallen bay]

Yeah, you can't be top for aoe and st in m+ unless you are demo before nerf lul

[oblique copper]

or get good procs as outlaw

[fallen bay]

But that's too. Much rng

Do you think guys if they made outlaw buffs 3 and not 6, but combined it would made him too much op?

[spice surge]

Outlaw is about as RNG as assa

Slightly more, but not massively so

[fallen bay]

How can it be not massively rng, if you can spend 20 sec rolling for right buff but assa don't have such a thing?

[rigid mango]

Crits

Assas damage is down to crits

at right places

[fallen bay]

Imo it is same rng like running m+ for tf gear

[rigid mango]

@spice surge when do you use cloak in p1?

of jaina

[spice surge]

Buffs isnt the part of outlaw thats actually RNG

Getting pistol shot proccs is what determines your damage moreso than the buffs, the buffs are just what feels rng

I use it with vendetta, so the second one

Second ring*

[rigid mango]

Aight

Cool

[rigid mango]

Does cloak get rid of the blizzard effect that needs you to stack?

[spice surge]

Yes

It does nothing against the stacks though

[rigid mango]

Ye

Do you dot up the frozen ballistas?

[spice surge]

If you need too

[marble hemlock]

keep in mind that the "you gotta stack" effect immediately starts again when cloak runs out

[rigid mango]

Yah

[marble hemlock]

so you have 4sec after cloak runs out, or youll still be frozen

[rigid mango]

That's fine

Do you have your timings on what you use when seli?

Mostly vend/cloak usage

[marble hemlock]

i cloak first ring for dps, i cloak intermission to soak swirlies for the raid on my side, and then just hold cloak for siegebreaker in p3

vendetta depends on how the boss plays out, which is largely dependant on your raids DPS

you can generally get 2 vendettas in in p1, one more in p2, and then hold for p3

can also hold in p1, use 2 in p2, and then you might get one more at the very end of p3, but i feel thats not worth. dps isnt really an issue until p3

[rigid mango]

You always vend wall right?

[marble hemlock]

nah

not necessary

[rigid mango]

If you're doing the ranged extra dmg

[hollow stone]

No. In his example you dont vend wall

[rigid mango]

Oh ok

[hollow stone]

And save for p3

[marble hemlock]

you try to pump as much damage in p3 as possible

[royal lantern]

i use plumage for wall and save vendetta for p3 tbh

[marble hemlock]

if your raid struggles with wall at first, use vendetta on wall to make sure it dies

[rigid mango]

So just save gcb and tb

[marble hemlock]

and then stop using it once its a bit smoother

[rigid mango]

Aight

[marble hemlock]

you dont want to have a single wipe on that boss because you didnt have enough wall dps

thats just wasted potential

[rigid mango]

Yeah first day on jaina anyways so not expecting to get that far but

[marble hemlock]

esp when youre getting to wall for the first few times, youre not gonna kill the boss anyway, so its better to make sure the wall dies so you get into p3 to practice the phase, than wipe cause people were holding back

[rigid mango]

Yeah fair enough

so how early do you cloak when cloaking ring btw

[spice surge]

You can vendetta on wall if you have a lot of range

[rigid mango]

just as the freezing stacks are gonna hit?

[spice surge]

So they dont have to swap to the wall

[rigid mango]

We're doing 5 melee

[spice surge]

But generally people hold for p3

[rigid mango]

rest ranged

[marble hemlock]

just a matter of communicating within the raid that people will hold CDs eventually, so you dont get into troubles lateron 😄

[spice surge]

Ok well, how good your ranged are

[marble hemlock]

i think we have 2warlocks and 2mages blasting boss with bloodlust

while rest is on wall

so jaina is at 26% already when we get into the phase

[royal lantern]

reaching the wall on the first day is.......REALLY optimistic tbh^^

125 wipes and we had like 4 proper p2 pulls now

[rigid mango]

Yeah well I'm not that optimistic

[ionic dome]

What LV 30 talent shoudl I be usuing

spamming Timewalkers

[rigid mango]

Hm atm I'm just tryna get every timing down for p1

[ionic dome]

I'm going with Subterfuge

[royal lantern]

for dungeons its always subterfuge right now

[ionic dome]

Okay . Thank you.

[rigid mango]

Dps spec rshaman outdpsing both our spriests 🤔

[distant lava]

tbh rsham can outdps some classes

triple igneous is such insane dmg

[rigid mango]

Aye that's what he's running

[distant lava]

wait you main he's a heal

i thought you meant he was a main heal on a dps spec

[strange python]

@marble hemlock have you seen Morning's build on MDI last night?

3x eb 3x ss and hidden blades

[royal lantern]

well, the restro shaman dps start DOES good dmg

[ionic dome]

Sometimes my Shadow Step doesnt work. Am I missing something.?

[royal lantern]

but it should not out dps a real dps

[rigid mango]

Nah

He's an Rshammy running dps traits and out dpsing both our spriest

[royal lantern]

the spriest are either hit by every single mechanic or do something really wrong

[rigid mango]

It's consistantly every pull so far

I know that they're both hot garbage

[royal lantern]

maybe your spriest should actually dot stuff up instead of wanding lul

[rigid mango]

Idk one's playing spriest purely for jaina

and one's an spriest main but sucks

🤷

[elder gulch]

How does hidden blades even work? Do you always wait for it to be 20 stacks?

[tropic ocean]

no

ofc not 😄

[strange python]

the same way legendary cloak worked in legion

stacks up to 20 every 2s

you can time it for bigger packs/reaping

im still salty assa got this talent and not subltety

since sub was the spec that used legendary cloak the most

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter if you use the stacks right away or wait (as long as you dont overcap). The talent provides the same dps regardless

[vestal wren]

terrible design

[elder gulch]

for heavy AoE build is master poisoner better?

[rigid mango]

no

[spice surge]

No

[rigid mango]

It's never better

[marble hemlock]

nah, not watching MDI @strange python

[rigid mango]

not at all?

[strange python]

he pulled some insane numbers with this build

[marble hemlock]

i tune in like once every few hours

but i mostly just check results, cba watching MDI

just makes me sad im not in it :/

[strange python]

josh

[undone sand]

Hi, I do not understand why I'm doing no scratch .. yet I find that my rotation I think ..
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/y23zJh1p6wdA4W8R/1-Heroic+Champion+of+the+Light+-+Kill+(1:57)/Draaknexys
https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y23zJh1p6wdA4W8R/

[rugged jetty]

Any info on lurkers insidius gift yet ?

[strange python]

@undone sand first thing that hurts my eyes

you are talented into master assasin

yet you don't use vanish in your opener

🤷

[distant lava]

wait

with 2 SS traits shouldn't you play subterfuge ?

[spice surge]

Yes, otherwise you're essentially playing without 2 traits

[distant lava]

is it still when you have at least 1SS you go subterfuge ?

[strange python]

yes

[strange python]

do i still garrote at 6 and rupture at 9 when using exang+

so lets say i use exang and my garrote falls on 6s, i garrote, right?

[spice surge]

after you've exsanged?

No

[royal lantern]

when you use exsang, you let the bleeds drop of and then apply them new

[strange python]

thanks guys

[royal lantern]

cus otherwise you waste uptime on the exsang buffed bleeds

[dark crag]

you let empowered bleeds (ss garrote, exsang bleeds) run their full duration

[civic palm]

The ENTIRE duration, not 99%. You let it drop entirely.

[strange python]

Does MA require a certain amount of crit ? Cause atm i have around 22-23% and i often find myself not getting enough cp

[civic palm]

Just do what you can with what you have; if it sims better for you than using SUB+SS then it will on average lead to more DPS than the other options.

[strange python]

MA sims better - around 400 dps more but i get frustrated when i dont get enough cp

[civic palm]

It's gonna happen, just remember that you are getting that crit applied to everything else as well during that window, not just Mut+ENV.

[strange python]

Thanks for ur reply

[visual quartz]

ya getting 2 cp from mut during MA window happens, just hold yourself and try not to cry

[lost horizon]

Can still proc DD

[civic palm]

Yep, for tons and tons of damage.

[storm pilot]

Crit mastery gear for m+?

or still haste mastery?

or crit haste for m+?

[civic palm]

C/M is good ye.

[storm pilot]

Thanks

[bronze kelp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

If i have 3DD, should i use TB before vanish? So i can fit mut in the MA window ?

[fallen bay]

how much mastery should be min for M+ ?

like i got 29% crit but 26% mastery, that's why i am asking

[keen dome]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[fallen bay]

well i got stat weights

[vast forum]

There isn't a min amount

[fallen bay]

but for me it seems like awkward to have best gear i have on myself and have that low mastery

[bronze kelp]

just stack crit/mastery and go between 4-8% haste

and follow your statweights

low haste feels sometimes a but hard on boss fights, but u get used to it 😉

[strange python]

:p