assassination

[bleak spoke]

Lots of trying to make numbers add up to 1725 lol

[haughty lily]

yeah i think im at 1,100 titan residue rn i cant wait til i get home to my chest

[bleak spoke]

Noice

[haughty lily]

425 dice with a socket here i come

[bleak spoke]

I got like just over a thousand residum out of my chest and just took apart a dupe shoulders and grong chest to roll haha

I don’t think I’ll be able to roll next week, probs gonna be like 300-500 residue short unless I get really lucky with bonus rolls and island map

But this is also somehow my third week rolling in a row

So not even mad lmao

[haughty lily]

lucky, you can always be that person in herioc who takes everyones azerite to scrap it hah

[bleak spoke]

Nah, but I will do a heroic clear probably and if I can score a piece or three might be able to make it happen mid next week maybe

Honestly if I get treasure map for like 200 residum this week and next I can roll regardless cuz I still have a 400 piece or two in bags

Will probably muscle my group into finishing this waycrest I have even if it’s not timed xd

[lost sentinel]

another week with no dagger for me 😦

[bleak spoke]

I believe in u

You can do it

[lost sentinel]

kinda close to m opulence at least

saw a 410 int dagger drop in M+ recently, they didn't even need it since they already had 410 seabreeze

[haughty lily]

I have never seen a mythic opulence dagger

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t exist at this point

[lost sentinel]

I have pretty good luck so far with m bod drops

[bleak spoke]

Took me like 5 coins to get one I think lol

[haughty lily]

I haven’t even got it on heroic

I grinder m+ for lucky titan forges

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s basically all my gear is m+ forges haha

Still missing a big plumage though 😦

[haughty lily]

Speaking of plumage, why the hell is that trinket even good for sin if it increases Vers?? Don’t we sin rogues hate vers?

[cobalt pelican]

not really, it's not amazing but it's pretty hard for vers to be that bad

lines up with vendetta and makes the window way more potent

[bleak spoke]

The stat budget on the on use is immense

[cobalt pelican]

especially with np being a thing

[bleak spoke]

Like it’s verse but it’s lots and lots of verse

If we had an on use mastery trinket with the same timer guaranteed it’d be better

[haughty lily]

Does the new raid have anything interesting we should try to get?

[bleak spoke]

Assuming the stat budgets equivalent and not depleted

Lurkers insidious gift

Look at that beauty

Guaranteed 425 from mythic

Comes with a headache for your healer

[haughty lily]

425? No way

[bleak spoke]

Possibly can be cloaked

[strange python]

Did we not talk about this a while ago, was it 256k Damage over 30 sec?

[bleak spoke]

Yeah but it’s graduated and not exponential so you know very easily if next hit will kill you

As in if you have less health than the last hit you took you’ll die :^)

I think/hope exsang might be really strong with it

[strange python]

Ye ofc, but what I mean is that 256k over 30 is not that much 😛

[bleak spoke]

But at the very least no matter what you can probably have it up for at least Tb window even if there’s lots of healing pressure

[strange python]

Ye, feels like the best value is to pop it with Vendetta. Specially if you have Hero at the same time + NP

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/ajtts.jpg

The first 20s are the most important since you have vendetta up

[bleak spoke]

That’s not actually a lot

Judging by the numbers that is giga mastery

[spice surge]

Its like 980 mastery

[strange python]

981 😉

Sorry x)

[bleak spoke]

Like pearl divers but better

I wonder if that trinket is enough to swing your stat weights dramatically

Are sims gonna be out soon eleem?

[primal gazelle]

so do we take the leech talent now over cheat death?

😄

[bleak spoke]

Bigme.me

Honestly though with leeching poison you’d heal like 100k bursting in vendetta lol

Too bad it’d be hella frontloaded

[haughty lily]

You guys are making me hella excited for this trinket that no healer is gonna let me use hah

[bleak spoke]

:p

[royal lantern]

well, you aint gonna use that trinket by yourself yeha

gotta coordinate it with healers or make a extra healing cd just for it so people can use it

[hollow stone]

Just click it off after vend window

Healers wont even notice

[heavy skiff]

finaly got bis chest at 415 😃

[trail jewel]

is blood rite good as a trait when its that or Twist the Knife?

[bleak spoke]

No

But twist the knife is pretty good

Why it doesn’t get better

It’s a flat stack of mastery that’s active the whole time you just take more damage near the end

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2DG9Tx7WaFwrjVq3QyV3Nh

got gorak tul and plumage today

[short wasp]

Anyone know counsel of Captains (2nd freehold boss) this week?

[delicate sapphire]

Is Garrote supposed to be a huge chunk of my dps?

[cosmic pier]

the ones that arent eudora

[delicate sapphire]

https://gyazo.com/e611895e29be76e54e0dc3e017c27e5e

[strange python]

@delicate sapphire if you have SS yes

should get some EB for m+as well

[delicate sapphire]

I haven't had any azerite drops in weeks 😦

I have like three SS

[bleak spoke]

@short wasp no eudora

[fierce tusk]

What’s the amount of haste I should be aiming for? I’m currently at 15%

[royal lantern]

not really a cap right now

[fierce tusk]

Not looking for a cap just an ideal amount. Or is it just get as much as possible

[shy dust]

Sim your best gear

[royal lantern]

well, im at 21%haste and it still sims as the highest stat

so,yeha, sim it, but it will probably still be your best stat

[fierce tusk]

Alright thanks

[red prawn]

is echoing blades necessary like wits is for asn in M+? Switched over to asn recently, I have the option of 3 x NP or 2 and 1 x EB

[pulsar goblet]

Assassin is pretty trait dependent for dungeons, usually a mix of SS TTK and EB

[bleak spoke]

you want 1 SS in the same wya you want 1 wits @red prawn or your pull to pull energy regen/combo point gen becomes severely gimped to the extent it's not worth

each EB will increase your aoe significantly

[red prawn]

got it

[bleak spoke]

and you want like 2+ though 3 is kinda paddy

[pulsar goblet]

SS is also fine to stack more than one

[bleak spoke]

yeah

[red prawn]

I've seen that as well

[bleak spoke]

SS stacking suffers from chainpulls but if you're playing with pugs that don't pull more than 5+ often ss will be huge value

[red prawn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9eB92bgw7EyNwWhgun9swu

this is what I run with atm

[bleak spoke]

1 or more EBs makes it so on non-priority 2 target you should cast fok

[red prawn]

using ivus tirnket in place of gale for M+

[bleak spoke]

ivus trinket is alright, anything that gives you crit is pretty alright

on the shoulders play scent of blood echo blades

sob isn't a good option per se but it's better than the alternative

chest piece is prime

you want neither double dose nor nothing personal in m+, i ran champs helm with ss tc for a bit

with a nondepleted healer you actually get like 97% uptime on tc even on grevious

[red prawn]

word, I do mostly pvp on this toon it's my rogue alt lol

so that's why I'm running NP / DD

also that's what wowhead shows

[bleak spoke]

yeh those are heavy st

like you want to play np/dd in raid

[red prawn]

I gotcha

[bleak spoke]

but since on aoe (especially large aoe) it's honestly a waste of a global to even vendetta, and on 2+ targets fan of knives is already better than mutilate it becomes really pointless in both cases

basically you play to maintain 4+ dots because that's 35 energy/second and you get to spam fan of knives into finishers to refresh elaborate planning

and then whether you finish rupture or envenom your damage kinda just slowly rises and stabilizes to a very decent amount no matter how long the encounter is

as long as targets are still living etc

it's kinda the opposite of outlaw where when you run out of flurries you basically afk

[red prawn]

yeah very different playstyule but still fun

thanks for breaking it down

[bleak spoke]

8D

[edgy pawn]

!guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[edgy pawn]

So, just to be sure: when using ma, do you go 4cp > vendetta > tb > vanish > env?

Outside of the opener

And then mut > env ofc

[vast forum]

mut mut if you don't get 4 cp on 1st mut

though i like the 3-4 CP > vanish > TB > env > mut combo myself cuz of lower variance

[edgy pawn]

And when do you use vendetta? Just before vanish?

And when you end up at 5cp before tb it's prob worth to overcap right?

[stuck knoll]

If you're at 5cp when tb comes off cd just use the tb asap wasting a cp is fine in that situation

[mint peak]

Yeh if you Envenom then TB there's a chance you don't even get 2 envenoms off in the TB window

[bleak spoke]

yeah that's the gigascuffed tb

you hate to see it

[tiny finch]

how bad is the dummy from ashvane docks to train?

i just did a 750k opener on it

cant be right

[bleak spoke]

i think it's accurate for the ability after tb to always be envenom even without double dose

like 750k in your vendetta?

[tiny finch]

yes

is it bugged?

or its normal

[bleak spoke]

overall damage or dps

[tiny finch]

dps

it was for 2 seconds

then it droped to 90- 70 - 40

[bleak spoke]

oh cuz when you vanish

funky shit happens on details

if you don't have someone in your party

[tiny finch]

aaah should be it then

[bleak spoke]

like after you do a decent amount of your rotation drop combat and don't look at "overall" but look at the damge you did to "training dummy 1" + "training dummy 2" cuz it does something weird where it doesn't count a bunch of the dmg on overall

[tiny finch]

damn, so the best way to actually see it is with a party member

with someone in party**

but they have to be damaging the dummy or just in party?

[spice surge]

Or you reset your overall

[tiny finch]

i queued for a lfr mekka to test it

[spice surge]

And then do the test

[tiny finch]

hmmm

please standby

[spice surge]

Because it only counts in-combat time, so the dps will be accurate

[tiny finch]

is it better to train on the raiders dummy next to others or it does not makes any difference?

the big dummy

[stuck knoll]

One of the big dummys is for tanks so don't use that

And I wouldn't recommend anything with little things nearby

So pb doesn't accidentally pump your damage

[tiny finch]

yes i was getting that a lot on the warrior

they put the dummies way to close to eachother

i was training on this one

its the one on the right, i do on that because it has more space to be on his back

the one near the boat has like half a yard to position yourself

[stuck knoll]

Isn't that one on the bottom also a pvp one

[royal lantern]

it is

[tiny finch]

whats the difference between those dummies? i know its a noob question

hahahaha

DMG taken wise

does the pvp one has a different modifier?

[sturdy python]

Pvp one should scale abilities to their pvp variants

[tiny finch]

Like the boss one is 122 LV and the pvp one is 120 etc..

[royal lantern]

pvp scales too pvp dmg/crit is 50%weaker in pvp

raid/m+ bosses have more deffense

you do more dmg on ''normal''dummys cus of it

[tiny finch]

aaah nice

so ill just ignore the pvp one

for pve testing at least

[royal lantern]

ye, hit the raiding dummy

[tiny finch]

ty bud

[modest zodiac]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/draenor/stabmybone

is there something inherently wrong with my char?

or do i just need more ilvl

[rigid mango]

In what aspect

[modest zodiac]

Well my ilvl went up from 385 to 395 and i am doing the same st dps

[rigid mango]

You're using SS isntead of DD on your chest, DD is superior for ST

[modest zodiac]

Yeah but my DD is 375 ilvl XD

Guess I gotta farm

[rigid mango]

???

Your chest piece has DD on it

That you have CURRENTLY equipped

[modest zodiac]

OH I didn' notice

LOL

[rigid mango]

All around your azerite pieces are, sorry to say, but really bad

for ST

Like, you have 1 good trait and 1 really bad one on each peice

[mint peak]

I didn't even know those traits existed tbh

Besides Bonded Souls which you definitely shouldn't take over SoB

[dusky moon]

hm... which build should I use this week in M+?

3 SS + 2 EB + BI or replace SS/BI with DD/NP?

[misty shuttle]

@modest zodiac

[velvet magnet]

if azerite traits could be swapped around like talents by using a tome, I'd like them so much more. I feel like I actually have good variety and choices as assassination but reforge costs are just fucking dumb.

[strange python]

!affix

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Tyrannical - Bolstering - Explosive - Reaping

[strange python]

hmm

[marble hemlock]

biggest fold of my life

on those affixes

[strange python]

don't know what I'd run

[marble hemlock]

id run away from the game

[strange python]

preferably nothing as I won't be running dungeons this week

[marble hemlock]

assa is pretty decent for explo tho

so just regular ttk stuff

[strange python]

ye

2/2/2 again

maybe

full aoe is a lot less important on bolst

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock you misspelt outlaw

[marble hemlock]

you can kill explosives, i make sure bolstering doesnt get out of control. deal?

[lethal heart]

i might accidentaly press my bflurry though

[marble hemlock]

[desert vault]

does cross realm mythic still carry a unique lockout like regular mythic? I forget

[marble hemlock]

yes

[lost horizon]

Yes

Fuk2slow

[modest zodiac]

@misty shuttle ?

[desert vault]

I wish I could run 3 ttk, guess this is a so-so for 2x ttk, eb, ss if nothing else

or would 3x Eb, 2x SS, 1x TtK be any good this week to help with more steady aoe for bolstering?

[strange python]

uh

I wouldn 't run 3xeb

tyran bolst is

you're going to kill yourself with triple eb lol

[desert vault]

true, will prolly stick with 2x eb/ss/ttk then

[strange python]

ye

maybe even 3x ss 1x eb 2x ttk

[desert vault]

I could drop an EB for a DD is about it

[strange python]

idk about that one chief

[desert vault]

yeah DD is pretty lousy

prolly just the 2x across the board, I don't have any way to really drop down to 1x EB

well could trade EB for Ruinous Bolt, but yeah

[strange python]

it's ok

my only option rn is

1x TTK 1x SoB 1x TC 1x BBi 2x SS

no EB 😃

the trade isnt worth it

[desert vault]

that is a fun one, I mean Ruinous Bolt isn't terrible I suppose, but EB is better since they are both aoe traits

I wish I had Gorak

I got the most amazingly bad shoulders ever from my 415 piece this week

already scrapped it, it was incredible how crap it was

[strange python]

o yikes

gorak was my 2nd 415 on this char

from residuum

venture co chest was my first

then my helm 415 from mythic champs

[desert vault]

Shoulders of the Sanguine Monstrosity was mine today, so SO bad

NP/EB and SoB/Blood Rite

[haughty lily]

that was mine tooo..... i just threw that in my outlaw set that i never use

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h4apwkrTTbx5CAmtfm2Qdh

[spiral escarp]

Getting removed from party cause “wtf is assass for?” 🤬

[strange python]

+10s be like

[haughty lily]

HAHAH i dont tell people im sin until the key starts

ussually goes like

hi guys im sin please dont chain pull

[tropic ocean]

go in as outlaw

respec on pulltimer

[bleak spoke]

honestly if people were willing to kick you for being sin they're probably really bad and you weren't going to have a good time anyway

also apparently i'm meant to wear all my sockets for raid https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Ab3WUFnoxba9FwWnPmTau

[prisma sail]

so, I dropped SF for master assassin.. feels bad, 18k on M Champs..

using grong's cp instead of indomitable will that I had with SF.. doesn't feel as good

[civic palm]

Yeduh

[hollow stone]

Come back to me on a st fight and not one that everyone cheeses

Obviously preferences differ. But imo, ma is better play style than ss subt

[prisma sail]

I need to learn outlaw for JM and M+ lol

[harsh sphinx]

i like the azerite setup @bleak spoke

[prisma sail]

been salty ever since they changed it from combat

[idle vigil]

How many weeks

Till I get a fucking goraks

Do I stop rolling?

[bleak spoke]

just keep going it could still happen

@harsh sphinx 8D

i need set bonus D:

[harsh sphinx]

you going for goraks next or what you gambling on

[bleak spoke]

either gorak's or kr chest for outlaw depending on how the raiding situation is

am trialing these next few weeks probably

[harsh sphinx]

ah gl, do you actually use boon or still trying to get a plumage

[bleak spoke]

i don't dislike boon personally

plumage would be more consistent for progress i guess

but i used galecaller's from the moemnt i started playing rogue tbh

[prisma sail]

finally got a boon this week in chest.. 410 with a socket

[bleak spoke]

delicious

[rigid mango]

@idle vigil Wont get goraks until you start using Cheat Death

[harsh sphinx]

i used it last tier with exsang but havn't tried it much with tb

[prisma sail]

anyone prefer the bleed build, I guess it depends on gear

[rigid mango]

Bleed build?

[prisma sail]

https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-talent-guide#talent-builds-bleed-build

[rigid mango]

So what you're saying is Exsang/SS build

[haughty lily]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[prisma sail]

yes.. otherwise known as the bleed build

[rigid mango]

Or, the only build viable with exsang?

[civic palm]

No such thing, a build infers a change in something more than just 1-2 talents and a trait.

eg. a shift in stat weights

[rigid mango]

What you're explaining is the build that uses exsang

nothing more special than that

[civic palm]

But yeah, without Shrouded Suffocation, Subterfuge doesn't make much sense.

[rigid mango]

And without SS, exsang makes no sense

[civic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-topgun-gif-9817538

[bleak spoke]

exsang is pretty depleted nowadays

[rigid mango]

I only ever see it in super niche m+ situations

seli was talking about it the other day

3 SS Nelf w exsang

[bleak spoke]

feels https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uc5pqRgLJ2PbG47kDvmbR6

yeah @rigid mango garrote 7 garrote 8 garrote 9 xd

[rigid mango]

The big dick damage

[bleak spoke]

hmm i guess i should just save then

[prisma sail]

ROFL, shit, no wonder, I had my aoe gear on for sin with Echo X3 for both M Champs and JM

[bleak spoke]

yikes haha

[rigid mango]

That ceph

😠

Me wanty

[prisma sail]

oh shit, I'm dying laughing at myself

[bleak spoke]

8D

[prisma sail]

I was like, I pump out a lot more damage than fookin 18k on champs

literally did 15k on JM and was alive the entire time, even in a pug group.. at least the rl understood when I told him I forgot to switch out my aoe gear

[nimble tartan]

anyone else spend 7.1k residuum on a piece of azerite gear

[desert vault]

I'm thinking about scrapping all of my gear to buy goraks since I can't get it any other way

[dark crag]

Do you deplete keys?

[rigid mango]

Wat

[dark crag]

He wants to scrap his gear for goraks

[rigid mango]

And?

[dark crag]

7k tr are not just a few items

[rigid mango]

Yeah but what's that got to do with depleting keys?

Don't follow

[dark crag]

If he doesn't deplete keys, why does he need goraks so bad?

[rigid mango]

???

Deplete?

I'm so confused, what's depleting keys got to do with TR or needing goraks

[dense minnow]

everyone deplets keys, just pick a dificulty to high for your group

[rigid mango]

Yeah

btu what has it got to do w goraks

[dense minnow]

if you want to improve your gear depleting keys is not your measurement

[dark crag]

What does goraks do? Boost performance. When do you need more performance? When you are at your current limit

[rigid mango]

Xd?

That's your line of argument

[dense minnow]

you know what, nevermind im not engaging in such a discussion

[rigid mango]

So he wants a better piece of gear, thus it must be because he's depleting keys

I'm so confused how you got to that conclusion

[dark crag]

I never said he is depleting

[rigid mango]

Doesn't everyone just want the best piece possible?

http://prntscr.com/n9tggp

??????????????

[dark crag]

Isn't that a question?

[rigid mango]

How do you get from the guy wants the BiS piece to asking if he is depleting

Yeah

but how is that a logical quesiton to wanting goraks

[dark crag]

Scroll way up and read what he wanted to sacrifice

[rigid mango]

A bunch of his pieces

To get BiS

????????

Thus must be depleting keys?

[dark crag]

Good luck with a bunch of gear for 7k tr

[rigid mango]

Yeah

but what has that got to do w depleting keys

and he's most likely been stockpiling

[dark crag]

If he doesn't deplete keys, why not just stick to the lottery

[rigid mango]

But why

deplete keys

why is that the question

Isn't it everyones want to get Bis?

Raiding, m+ or whatnot

I just don't get how your mind went to http://prntscr.com/n9tggp

[dark crag]

When he doesn't deplete every key he runs, all is fine

[rigid mango]

But everyone'll deplete keys

99% of time's not down to gear

especially when you're into true minmaxing

[dark crag]

So you want to tell me, the gain you get from goraks is worth 7k tr and scraping most/ all of your azerite + a bit of stockpiled tr?

[rigid mango]

?

If you're looking for BiS

goraks is bis

If you don't need a bunch of pieces, you can trash them for goraks

Gorak's is THE BEST shoulder piece for assa, raiding and m+ wise

The issue is what he's willing to give up for it

I'm just entirely confused, how you went from someone wanting goraks, to you asking if they deplete keys

That makes no sense to me

[dark crag]

Why does it make no sense? It was a question about the worth of the sacrifice for obtaining goraks

[rigid mango]

Like

Isn't the logical reason, wanting BiS?

[dark crag]

Take the iphone as an example. Do they need the new one at all costs?

[rigid mango]

That's not the same

What you're buying

is the iphone that will never be upped

No one will ever make a better one

It is the best of the best

You're not replacing Gorak's

[dark crag]

At this moment i could scrap all my sub outlaw azerite and buy goraks for assa. Will i do that? No

[rigid mango]

That's not the same thing though

It's a guy who i assume mains assa

And wants the BiS shoulder piece

[dark crag]

I main assa in raids

[rigid mango]

There isn't a better piece

Cool, so don't you want goraks`

?*

[dark crag]

I want it, but i won't scrap my azerite for it

[rigid mango]

Azerite that you need?

And why do you want it

is it because you're depleting keys?

[dark crag]

The ones i don't need are already scrapped

[rigid mango]

Yeah

so why do you want it tho

is it

because

http://prntscr.com/n9tggp

?

See

your question makes 0 sense

[dark crag]

Wanting something =/= giving everything up for it

[rigid mango]

I'm not arguing about the value of the item

I'm arguing about the relevance of your question

[dark crag]

That specific question is in context with the argument of giving up his gear

[rigid mango]

yeah so you can't give up gear for any other reason

than

http://prntscr.com/n9tggp

?

Every time, I find it funnier and funnier tbh

[dark crag]

He even said "all of his gear"

[rigid mango]

Yeah

so that must mean

he's depleting keys yeah?

[dark crag]

We don't know

[rigid mango]

Yeah so why ask a quite specific question

It makes, no sense

[dark crag]

Ok, let's start at the beginning. If he said yes or no, it doesn't matter. The answer would be "do you really get a tremendous benefit out of it". It was to prevent him from doing it and later regretting it

[rigid mango]

Yeah

but this isn't what it's about

It's about how you drew the correlation between wanting your BiS piece badly, and depleting keys

[dark crag]

Do you deplete keys?

[rigid mango]

Nah never, I have goraks

solved it all

[dark crag]

So you don't even know your max possible keylevel?

[rigid mango]

It's not got anything to do with my ilvl

[dark crag]

Rank 1 m+ when?

[rigid mango]

Goraks doesn't accomplish much

I'm not good enough as a player

to be r1

Gear doesn't matter enough

[dark crag]

But you have goraks

[rigid mango]

Exactly

So because I have goraks, I must never be able to deplete keys, yeah?

But everyone without goraks, that want it, it must be thanks to them depleting

And they deplete keys, beacuse they don't have the dmg increase from goraks

ah

Flawless argument, yes.

[worthy moat]

I am confused with these pins. What azerite traits does Assassin want? These pins did not really clear that up....

[rigid mango]

www.ravenholdt.net

Check the guide for assa, if you're still confused, check bloodmallet

If you then want to understand the balance between the diff traits, ask people around here and I bet they'll help

[dark crag]

A combi of ss, eb, ttk. Also bbi is good

[rigid mango]

Yah if u have goraks you can't deplete keys^^

[worthy moat]

Ok so. Shrouded Suffocation and Echoing blades both x3 if possible is what I'm getting xD

[rigid mango]

You could do, if you want to play outlaw but in sin spec

Or you get a mix of ttk, ss, eb and a bbi if you can

The balance of the 4 will give you a well rounded prio build

That focuses less on padding and more on value damage

[dark crag]

The mix makes you strong, don't deplete your keys or gorak will haunt you

[worthy moat]

I have NO Blightbourne Infusion. But I have mixes of the others!

[rigid mango]

a good mix is 2 of each

or 3 of either ss/eb

ss/ttk*

[worthy moat]

Not like that matters yet cause I don't have a second dagger. I just want azerite set up. But still!

[rigid mango]

If you get a build like 3ttk 2ss 1eb

or 3ss 2ttk 1eb

You're pretty well off

[worthy moat]

Lol. I ended up with 2 each of SS, Twist and EB

[dark crag]

Thats ok too

[worthy moat]

Just gonna go straight Crit/Mast I think, since there's more Multi-target it feels like at the moment. Thanks for the help

[dark crag]

Yes, haste loses value in m+ enviroment because bleeds give enough energy

But don't go 0% haste

[worthy moat]

I have 16 with the gear I've got on. I can't even actually play Ass atm anyway so not too important

[rigid mango]

I'd aim for between 8-11%

makes the spec feel a wee bit nicer than 0 haste

[dark crag]

0% haste isn't even possible with the neck

[tropic ocean]

I got goraks

Is this week good to be going for rank 1

?

[strange python]

rank 1 what

[heavy skiff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tAtEQXi4uzhW8iJASmXeAX

😃

[bleak spoke]

bonus rolled conclave chest and rasta shoulders while trialing, i guess i'm about to roll helms for ss eb to giga pad in m+

[fringe phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/56yuQZTwnQpavagsejmKH

finally got above 27k with 420 azerite pieces

[mighty elm]

[tawdry rune]

hey guys, whatre your weak auras?

[neon thunder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[neon thunder]

Most people use one of those

Afenar seems to be most common

[tawdry rune]

ah ty

hey cash

is there is a way to turn off the hp bar and combo point bar underneath my char and add the hp bar to my weak aura thing

and change how the combo points look?

[hallow nymph]

Small thing, but is it still worth running Overwhelming Power x3 on M Jaina, considering you're always taking damage because of the frost debuff?

[shell zealot]

GOT IT! https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4ddfm5TGatVN6PBQQ8VyZx

[noble dove]

hi, on how many targets should i use fan of knives to build combo points?

in m+

[stuck knoll]

Depends if you have EB

[noble dove]

ye i have one

ravenhold says 4 but icy veins says 2 +

[stuck knoll]

With EB you fok at 2 with a non prio target iirc

[noble dove]

oh, ok ty

[delicate sapphire]

Is Crimson any good in m+? I feel like poison bomb isn't consistent enough

[tropic ocean]

yes it is

[chrome umbra]

Yes. CT should be ran in most dungeons since reaping.

[tropic ocean]

if you use 3x eb even hidden blades is good for aoe

[arctic harness]

Since when is CT the way to go?

Last week this whole discord was “if you wanna aoe go outlaw, go for bossdamage”

[tropic ocean]

outlaw is no assasination talent so just ignore h7rs

h8rs*

[golden relic]

The point people were making is that if you go assa you could have a different role in your group

not that u dont play CT at all

[lament dove]

a few weeks ago people here said that CT is bad because reaping mobs don't live for the duration (specially on tyra weeks) 😃

imho try it out if you want and see for yourself

[golden relic]

Some people say CT is trash, some say PB is trash, some say HB is trash

depends who you want to listen to

[lament dove]

yeah, that's why just try it and see what's good for you

[golden relic]

in the end they all have a purpose, and youll most probably be drawn to one more depending on what u like and do

[trim vale]

Whats the best outcome of aoe dps in m+. A- keep rupture and garrote on 3 targets and spam envenom or B- spam rupture and garrote as much as possible on as many targets as possible? Feel free to advice if any of them are wrong

[inner pecan]

you should Rupture all targets who will live the full duration

since a full duration Rupture does more damage than Envenom

for short aoe you want to just have 3-4 targets dotted so you can be energy-neutral or energy-positive and then just spam env or CT depending on what you're running

Usually not worth casting non-empowered garrotes on AoE

[trim vale]

So the posion application buff from envenom should be less dmg when FoKing

[golden relic]

You dont spam CT

[inner pecan]

You can spam CT in some situations

[trim vale]

Doesnt ct have an initial hit?

[inner pecan]

yes it does

[arctic harness]

9 targets you spammerino

[inner pecan]

If you played S1 m+ at all you would know CT spam can do big damage on enough targets

3SS CT in every dungeon was basically the meta back then

[golden relic]

Taking out of context that you said 3-4 targets as a base then you said spam

[arctic harness]

Yeah, i think EB pushed that out tho

[golden relic]

and EB does more damage and usually u run EB

[inner pecan]

when did I say 3-4 targets lol

and you're comparing a finisher to a spender for some reason

CT spam should be compared to Envenom not to FoK

[golden relic]

Yes but if u spam CT every 2nd global instead of FoK on big packs its less damage then spamming FoK

if u have EB, which you normally will have

[trim vale]

EB trait?

[golden relic]

Echoing blades

y

[arctic harness]

If you run EP you can spam 3 EB’s with the 10% damage buff

[trim vale]

And thats worth over losing CPs

?

[arctic harness]

Yeah, EB does a lot of damage

[tropic ocean]

you don't spam ct

[trim vale]

Yeah, i have this discussion in the car with my co worker, he believes the posion application buff from envenom is more dmg than applying rupture on more targets

[tropic ocean]

since fok with eb traits is higher dmg

[proper dagger]

Question: Do you only use 1 Nothing Personal trait?

[tropic ocean]

you basically just use 1 ct and let it tick out/refresh on 2s or < or use it on heavy aoe to refresh eb buff

but this week I guess envenom has more value in aoe, to trim mobs for bolstering

[trim vale]

Do u guys run CT instead of PB in m+

[worldly iron]

nah

I don't find CT particularly necessary

[tropic ocean]

i do on heavy trash fortified dungeons

and depending on group ofc

[worldly iron]

yeah, group plays a big part

I never need to run it

[tropic ocean]

if we need more controlled aoe i use it

if not i dont

[trim vale]

Tbh ive never even tried CT, only played with PB, with EB im mostly top dmg aoe anyways

[golden relic]

ppl usually mostly run CT in like FH or ML

cuz its alot of trash

[rose rover]

guys, i have following logic,if we dont talk about energy ( means we have 5-6 bleeds rolling ) and assume all enemies will live long enough, its either 5 foks or envenom + 4foks, so its 500% of fok damage vs envenom dmg + 400% of fok damage => 100% of fok damage vs envenom damage, in my m+ eb set i have 2 415 eb traits and my fok tooltip dmg is ~ 3.4k and envenom dmg is ~ 13.2k on 5cp, so we need to have more then 13.2/3.4 ~= 4targets around for fanofknives spam to be dps positive against envenom, if we add EP 10% damage up from envenom its 500% of fok damage vs env damage + 4 * 110% = 440% fok damage => we compare 60% fok vs envenom => with same logic explained above its 3.4*0.6~2k dmg is 60% of fok damage, envenom damage is the same so its 13.2 => 13.2/2 ~ 7 => we need to have atleast 7 enemies in range for fanofknives spam to be dps positive against envenom and foking after. And we dont even add envenom's buff to poison ,although i think its minor gain => to sum it up, we should use envenom if we have atleast 7 enemies if we dont have ep to get more dps overall plus we even get some prio damage that way, things can change if we have other traits like 1 eb or some ttk. The question is have i got any errors in that logic ? sry for long post 😛

[vast forum]

Every1 uses eb in m+ so idk how useful your math is

[rose rover]

i have 2 415 ebs in my numbers, so either u have 3eb or fok damage number is lower

oh i got it, i dont count for actual eb damage

😮

[high siren]

[strange python]

I finally got Ceph! OMG FINALLY x) haha

[heavy skiff]

This week feels so good 4 assa

Just rup the explosive

And bum full energy bar

[strange python]

oh my

weekly has blessed me

https://i.gyazo.com/574cd688445423713443623d1e753f33.png

[night vale]

😮

gratz

i dont think ive ever got anything about 410 from my weekly

[heavy skiff]

Lul gratz

I got a 410 weapon

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/n9zotc

Finally a fucking trinket

[tropic ocean]

@rose rover fok also aoe poisons your targets

[rose rover]

https://i.imgur.com/0HIZgJ2.png

[tropic ocean]

yeah but still aoe

which is more effective than applying st poison to every enemy in the pack

[heavy skiff]

Poisons do instant damage when applyd

And env buff gives u 20% more poison app

[real bay]

wtb garrote to always apply your poison on target , feelsbadman

Would kind of make sense if you think about it

[tropic ocean]

wtb kings bane

and master assasin 100% 😄

[heavy skiff]

And 5 sec ma

Not this 3 sec bull shit

[rose rover]

the logic is u get env buff => 20% more reapplies => 20% more damage via reapplying of dp, im getting like 50-60% of eb dmg comparing to fok dmg on 4 dummies, so its ~ 4 or more targets for fok spam to be better against envenom + fokspam, so it doesnt matter at all, time wasted 😃

another thing i was trying to think about is 4 garrotes in subterfuge, or 3 garrotes + vendetta between, last part is so minor, but first is kinda interesting, im not sure how does it work, maybe some kind of desync or lag, i dunno

[tropic ocean]

your calculation doesnt include

the multi poison application itself

[real bay]

can't fit 4

[rose rover]

? i also dont include crit in calcs, it just doesnt matter if dmg is the same even without that calcs

you can, i will get some logs on dummies if u want

[real bay]

if you could people would do it

the 4th will not be buffed by subt

[brisk forge]

Gl getting 4 garrotes in subt 😉

[heavy skiff]

And crit does matter a lot

Thats were ur eb procs.come.from

[strange python]

To sim 28k + You need 425 dagger right?

[brisk forge]

Alot sockets aswell. I am simming 27.4 with 413 so good balanced gear is important

[marble hemlock]

weapons and azerite pieces, yes

doubt youre gonna hit 28k w/o goraktuls for example

[strange python]

I have the azerite, and 2x 415. But my rings are meh. + I still sim higher with my nonsocketed Back and Ring for bonus over socketed back and ring.

So I guess We have to kill Jaina this week and thenGet more of those Opulence daggers 😛 But at 425 😄

[mighty elm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/inr3qRh19Xa8VhafQbcsR6

thats what u need to sim 28k 😃

[strange python]

So basically dagger

[slim socket]

WTB cephalohide

[tropic ocean]

mekkatorque chest would be good as well @mighty elm

[strange python]

Nice tho mate 😄

[mighty elm]

aye, spymasters aswell @tropic ocean

[stable oxide]

and MA specc

[tropic ocean]

is ttk>dagger in the back?

[mighty elm]

yeah

[tropic ocean]

gotta reforge my jacket then 😄

[mighty elm]

@strange python the other 2 assa that sim higher than me neither have 425 dagger though

so 425 isnt a must

[tropic ocean]

i guess forged gear with sockets makes a good impact as well

rn im not sure if 405 gorak tul >> 415 jadefire cuz of the bbi/op

[strange python]

I mean I am close, I just have "bad" rings, hand, back and feet

[tropic ocean]

but gotta sim more i guess

[mighty elm]

if you got golds, the JC ring is big

i dropped 850k on gettin the right roll

[strange python]

Hmm I won't do that 😛 haha But ye, ty

[brisk forge]

Is BBI worth picking over other good traits for M+?

[spice surge]

Generally yes

[strange python]

I heard yes, and after following that I love it 😛 But Depends on the rest of your stuff I guess

[brisk forge]

Got all sorts of traits combosb

[forest jetty]

5th time gambling shoulders, 5th time different shoulders, 5th time no Gorak

[brisk forge]

Got my 2nd gorak today 😉

[real bay]

gonna get my 3rd venture co chest today

[brisk forge]

Anyone know someone that m+ on s decent level?

[strange python]

What is decent level? And alot of people here do

I can bet

[spice surge]

Just tag seli, I'm sure he appreciates it

[marble hemlock]

actually torn between buying goraktuls or slithering loa helmet 😦

[vast forum]

U buying specific?

[marble hemlock]

ye

well, not today

in 2weeks

[spice surge]

Sim dps vs actual m+ dps

🤔

[vast forum]

Why not buy 5 random instead?

[marble hemlock]

cause id rather have

100% chance to get the one thing i still need

than ~66%

[vast forum]

I guess i got lucky

[marble hemlock]

well, its 6 possible choices

[vast forum]

Cephalo on 1st chest, gorak on 3rd shoulder

[marble hemlock]

with the chance to get duplicates

[vast forum]

It's 60% if u buy 5 to get the one you want

[marble hemlock]

so being able to buy 5 shoulders isnt even 50% chance for me to get what i want

[vast forum]

Slightly below

[slim socket]

Do you know guys is it possible to set uptime on unstable catalyst at certain point in sims?

[rose rover]

to all the haters 😄 assuming logging solo parse on dummy is meh, here you are https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GrFRbqgnBjNQ1hkw/#fight=14&type=casts&translate=true , you can see 3 garrote casts 3secs in combat, but i started combat itself by garroting dummy n2, if someone is lazy i will explain it: last garrote in subt was casted on 2.684, subterfuge is gone on 2.787 so its ~0.1sec left here ( https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GrFRbqgnBjNQ1hkw/#fight=14&type=auras&translate=true&ability=115192 ). https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GrFRbqgnBjNQ1hkw/#fight=14&type=damage-done&translate=true&start=778697&end=785444&ability=703 here you can check damage on all 4 dummies from garrotes, you can see all garrotes are doing more damage than non subt/ss i casted on dummy n1, prove is there https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GrFRbqgnBjNQ1hkw/#fight=14&type=damage-done&translate=true&start=785955&end=790552&target=4.1&ability=703 , its ~3k avg hit vs ~11k hit avg, prove there https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GrFRbqgnBjNQ1hkw/#fight=14&type=damage-done&translate=true&start=778697&end=785618&ability=703&target=4

[vast forum]

It's 1-(5/6)^5

What exactly were you proving?

[rose rover]

4 garrotes from stealth , all are gaining subt/ss buff

[golden relic]

[vast forum]

Sounds like a bug

[rose rover]

c'mon 😃 just check it please

[vast forum]

But i'll try when i get home

Maybe do ggrg so you can see if you get 3cp from last g?

[rose rover]

https://i.imgur.com/m63HGeg.png

[vast forum]

Or maybe just do gggg and if g doesn't go on cd it works

I'm on phone so not checking the logs

[rose rover]

it wasnt on cd, but i tried to research if it was getting dmg buff

[vast forum]

Also you're russian, so i assume you're hacking

[rose rover]

😦

[marble hemlock]

the basic question would be how you managed to cast 2 garrotes within 0.6sec of each other

[ornate gazelle]

Question: If Toxic Blade comes off cooldown and I'm at full combo points, do I TB and then use a finisher or use the finisher and then TB?

[vast forum]

Tb then env or rup then tb if you need to refresh

[real bay]

Add any movement and that never happens in actual encounter, if there's 0.1s to spare , anyways

[marble hemlock]

its not

[vast forum]

Tbh, you just need to be in range

[marble hemlock]

theres 1sec gcd between the 3 garrotes we see cast in that log

[vast forum]

At that moment

[marble hemlock]

theres one present on dummy 2 that we do not see when it goes on it

[rose rover]

i can assure it wasnt from vanish , if you think so 😃

[marble hemlock]

since the first emp garrote cast starts at 0.6sec into the log

[vast forum]

Can u maybe record yourself doing this

[marble hemlock]

we'd need an actual log showing the first few seconds as well to verify/look into it deeper

[vast forum]

But ya, it's weird that your global seems shorter than 1 sec there

Something's off

[marble hemlock]

we are assuming its shorter for the first/second garrote, but we dont see the first garrote

and its regular for the 3rd/4th

[warm parcel]

Its not impossible to get 4 gcds

Just not that likely

[vast forum]

Tbh, it should be impossible

[warm parcel]

https://gfycat.com/TiredBareCanary

[vast forum]

Unless you use a hasted vendetta in there

[warm parcel]

Well due to server lag its not

[marble hemlock]

due to the delay between client/server

[warm parcel]

ANd ven is hasted gcd so thatll always work

[vast forum]

Shit game

[warm parcel]

Cause reasons

[marble hemlock]

the less lag you have, the less likely you are to pull it off, basically

[vast forum]

Gonna go get my 2005 dial up quickly

[warm parcel]

Ive no clue why the magic happens. Just know its not impossible

[marble hemlock]

for the same reason you can sometimes cast garrote from stealth, but get a non-stealth garrote one

[vast forum]

Or we can all start playing on na

[marble hemlock]

just delay from the buttonpress on the clientside actually getting to the server, by which time the server realizes "youre not in stealth anymore"

only, you know, the other way around on the opener

he basically gets the time-save as he opens, whereas usually its a lack of time as subterfuge ends

garrote-tickrate in that log is 1.8sec, first tick of the garrote on dummy2 happens after 1.6sec, so his garrote on dummy2 which he opened with was at -0.2sec, and the next garrote is at 0.7sec

[warm parcel]

His quick nav keeps proccing

So cant really look at tick timers

[marble hemlock]

meh

in any case, the answer is - lag

either lag, or something else that impacts the server realizing when you actually opened

but as i said earlier, you can basically emulate the opposite happening. i have garrote in stealth on hotkey 5, which is an unbound hotkey outside of stealth. so when i hit 5, i will never cast a non-stealth garrote. yet i still get them when i hit garrote at the end of subterfuge and the server accepts the command but already cancelled my stealth

even though, theoretically, it should be impossible for me to get a non-stealth garrote that way

same happens for sub and backstab/ambush when you use dance

[dark crag]

The micro delay after vanish/dance?

[cobalt gyro]

My favorite is meld garrotes not working because of latency between the actions

[strange python]

1xSS, 2xEB, 3xTTK, 2xOP or 2xSS, 2xTTK, 1xEB, 1xBBI, 2xOP this week=

[marble hemlock]

the latter

bbi is love, bbi is life

[rose rover]

https://gfycat.com/commonviciousfox worked 3 out of 5 tries on dummies, ping is ~ 30, so russian servers are dead 😄

[cobalt gyro]

I got a gorak's shoulders and man

[marble hemlock]

still not something you can consistently play around

[cobalt gyro]

That proc is insane

[rose rover]

ye sure, but still was kinda interesting to check if that is not only cd but also dmg buff 😉

[marble hemlock]

and as we can see from your log itself, the other garrotes all happen withing >1sec of each other

so its just server/client issues enabling it to happen sometimes

[vestal wren]

so, subterfuge procs slightly late that could allow a 4th garrote cast?

[rose rover]

no, it is just the gcd is wrong sometimes allowing to cast a little bit often then 1s

[marble hemlock]

seems more like the GCD between the ability that puts you into combat and the next one can be off based on god-knows-what

server tickrate or delay or whatever

allowing for a 4th whenever it does actually happen

ive never been able to replicate it, but im playing on 13-15ms

[royal lantern]

cries in 80ms at best

[marble hemlock]

if its a client/server delay issue, that might be helpful in this specific case

[rose rover]

we have spellqueue window cvar in wow, mb it is the reason?

[marble hemlock]

nah

that only leads to issues on the other end

i.e. higher spellqueue is more likely to drop a non-empowered garrote if you had a short downtime during your opener

since theres no difference in spell-id between stealth/nonstealth garrotes, you can queue up a garrotecast in stealth, lose stealth, and then cast a non-stealth garrote due to the queue

but that shouldnt in any way affect your opener to reduce GCD/increase subterfuge uptime

[arctic harness]

I got fiber internet last monday, sitting at 13ms stable now. Had 35 on cable

Feelsgood

In game that is, speedtest says 5ms

Might have to try this quad Garotte

[real bay]

maybe it would work with 56kb modem

40ms never been able to

[brisk forge]

Porn on 56k modem was the shit back in the days, was impossible to finish since someone always called and break the connection 😂

[vestal wren]

#off-topic but a slight tip, there are torrents and download clients for a reason

[storm pilot]

2x TTK 2x EB 2x SF or 1x TTK 3x EB 2xSF?

[unborn gate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[arctic socket]

Is their anyplace to download keybindings or a keybinding guide?

[vestal wren]

https://wowhead.com/guide=875/the-art-of-effective-keybinding

[storm pilot]

is there a guide which tells u bis azerith for m+?

[vestal wren]

!azerite has a list with suggestions

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[storm pilot]

so u think that 3x eb 1xttk 2xsf is better than 2eb 2ttk 2sf?

[atomic willow]

sf?

[storm pilot]

SS

sprry

[valid spoke]

On GOrak Thul's Mantle, do you take NP over Blightborne Infusion just for the burst dmg? I see that BI sims 0.2% higher on patchwerk, however won't NP be more dmg, when accounting for movement etc?

I can run 3x DD 3x NP or 3x DD 2x NP 1x BI

[spice surge]

NP is worse on average

So if you get unlucky with bbi procs then np is better, if you get lucky bbi is better

[wary ice]

🤷 .2% higher ina patchwerk sim is pretty negligble difference. BBI has real value in AoE and is more often than every 2 mins. I imagine you'll get more value out of BBI; especially if the other dps in ur raid arent mongos and making fights last for like 4-5 vendetta casts

[spice surge]

If blightborne procs during vendetta you do insane damage, if it procs during nothing then its not very useful

[wary ice]

Does Vendetta increase the damage of NP?

[valid spoke]

So on Jaina progress, I should prob use NP right?

[tropic ocean]

1x bbi > 3x np

so go with 1x bbi 2x np

[spice surge]

I would use blightborne, assuming you have another NP somewhere

[atomic willow]

bbi>eb ?

[valid spoke]

Alright, thanks for the help

[spice surge]

Also NP is tied to vendetta, which is a 2 min cd

[tropic ocean]

on aoe, no, @atomic willow

[spice surge]

Which isnt overly important when jaina p3 is like 90s

[storm pilot]

2x TTK 2x EB 2x SS or 1x TTK 3x EB 2xSS?

[empty badge]

3 EB 2 TTK 1 SS

for m+

[jaunty arrow]

What is ttk?

[vestal wren]

there is a abbreviation list in the pins

[jaunty arrow]

Ty

[keen elk]

Does anyone remember a sort of reference tool for the relinquished azerite gambling? i swear i cam across one in here but ive checked all the pins and cant seem to find so i dont remember where the hell i saw it lol

[stuck knoll]

As in a spreadsheet with all the azerite from the vendor

[keen elk]

ahhhh right on thanks my dude

yeah the spread sheet will work, i thought i came across a website or tool that did the math for me of which slots are best to gamble on but the spreadsheet should work fine

[stuck knoll]

Oh are you talking about droptimiser for raidbots

Well there's a spreadsheet in the pins but droptimiser says what each piece is worth

[keen elk]

bless you

❤

[echo crest]

! Help

[strange python]

farming AP on alt

whats more worth, doing the war campaign or WQ's ?

anyone know? : D

[dark crag]

Everything

[strange python]

well duh 😄

[arctic night]

World Quests is first prio, as they actually run out

Campaign u can do whenever

[arctic socket]

Do your weekly island expeditions

Then wq

Then war campaign

[visual quartz]

@vestal wren that wow head guide, he uses scroll mouse wheel up for Mut and down for Envenom. O.o I cant even imagine that.

[vestal wren]

haha, thats amazing

scrolling up and down all the way

[dark crag]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NearIndelibleKittiwake-size_restricted.gif

Spin that wheel

[visual quartz]

higher wheel spin equals more dps, guarenteed

[vast forum]

i normally bind by spam aoe spells to wheel up

like fok, arcane explosion etc

[heavy skiff]

@vast forum i doo the same thing

Fok on wheel

[wide stone]

I have it on V because easy thumb access

[heavy skiff]

I use my thumb to spam space bar

And stun myself in freehild

Every 5 sec

[wide stone]

oh same

[wary ice]

respectable

[heavy skiff]

Why blizz tho...

Thats as evil as antorus elevator...

[tranquil silo]

All my attacks are bound to my mouse wheel with modifiers

I don’t like mashing buttons

Keys whatever

[lost horizon]

That's funky

[nimble tartan]

i wonder if anyone had like 200+ pulls with that scuffed boat strat and blizzard just nuked their asses

[rose perch]

well now they only have to learn one pattern at least

[cobalt pelican]

200 pulls of waiting on the boat sounds like a pain in he ass

i doubt anynoe has that much patience

[strange python]

i mean it was like 2 minutes

only 6h and ~36 minutes

[civic palm]

Yeah imagine waiting on 5min of RP every pull...

fuck this guy

[cobalt pelican]

i only raid 6h.. thinking about an entire week of raids just sat on a boat jerking off is ah

[civic palm]

lol

[hardy mural]

guys

can we solo coin shower from opu

with evasion?

rogues*

[cobalt pelican]

n o

[strange python]

Pop Evasion and go stand on that one guy who never stacks. Promise you wont die.

[hardy mural]

my raid is like, late BoP waiting room

so was trying to solo it myself

lol

[trail jewel]

i need help on picking an azerite trait here, I already have 2 double dose, twist the blade and tracherous covenant... juts got a new piece and not sure if its better to take SS or EB

[spice surge]

SS is a cleave trait and EB is an aoe trait

[trail jewel]

most of what im doing is M+

so i feel like blades is the pick

[spice surge]

Double dose is horrendous for m+

Get other traits, even if its lower ilvl

[trail jewel]

sure thing

but should i take SS or Blades here in your opinion

?

[rose perch]

For this week I think SS is the dream and EB is not great

For most weeks this season I think they're both fantastic

[iron heath]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[tropic ocean]

im using 2x eb 3x ss 1x ttk

so far from first few keys this week I'd change 1x eb to 1xttk to use 3x ss 1x eb 2x ttk if I had the appropriate pieces

[rotund mural]

Do I ever use Crimson Tempest in a mythic 10?

[tropic ocean]

depends on ur groups dps

i usually dont even use it in 10s when solo dpsing

thatis with prot tank

[rotund mural]

but good with maybe fortified ?

[tropic ocean]

yeah but depends on group dps

usually trash doesnt live long enough in 10s

[strange python]

3xss 2xttk 1xeb is the build i said a day ago or so

that's what I'd run if I had the pieces

[wary ice]

Im a bigger fan of 3eb 2 ttk 1ss

[strange python]

this week?

lol

[wary ice]

yee

[tropic ocean]

not erally good this week

[strange python]

bolst explo 3xeb

[wary ice]

Its good any week

[strange python]

3xeb tyran bolst

[tropic ocean]

i see assa job this week more of downing high hp mob

so u dont bolster af

[strange python]

eb procs once and you just die loll

[tropic ocean]

mustnt be the best solution but so far this week i mainly

fok to poison everything spread garrote ruptures

and then just envenom with ttk on the higher hp mobs in trash

so they die somewhat equally

and wish I had conclave chest to have 2x ttk

for me this week 3x eb is just not really useful dmg and if group can't see that your lower overall dps does a good job at easieng out the affixes idk

[strange python]

ye i can't say 3xeb is ""it"", chief

[wary ice]

k

[golden relic]

like logic would say, do what you love

[strange python]

bullfango FUMING

[wary ice]

🤷 not a convo wort having imo

[cobalt pelican]

😺

[golden relic]

[muted jacinth]

if you have 2 ttk are you taking tb in dungeons too then? I've always done exsang

[spice surge]

Yes

[tropic ocean]

yeah ttk

haven't really used exsang since s1

[severe osprey]

is it still worth to keep at least one trait of SS ?

[spice surge]

For ST? No not really, provided you have other good options

[severe osprey]

NP and TC on an ilvl upgrade

[spice surge]

SS is a midtier trait for singletarget, its good for cleave but not very strong for st

[severe osprey]

yeah I know but I remember Yliajo saying something like that

[fresh robin]

most the rogues high on warcraft logs using it are padding hard 😛

to each their own i guess

[spice surge]

Well yeah, its good for padding

But that doesnt make it good for ST :p

[fresh robin]

yeah for sure

anyone with high mythic raid parses have a few mins

[hollow stone]

Theres a ton of high parsing rogues here. Ask away

[fresh robin]

well its more personal, wanted someone to skim through a few fights of mine and tell me where im losing dmg, it looks like maybe i need to macro plume and vendetta together or something

it seems like im losing dmg, pressing them on their own

[rigid mango]

The dmg u lose is minimal tho

[fresh robin]

but other than that, my parses are shit. maybe im helping healers too much with feints and vial

[hollow stone]

Thats a good first step. Link your logs. People will review

[fresh robin]

yeah but im just comparing my parses to the top sin parses

and their rotations and stuff

[hollow stone]

Are you 9/9M?

Erm

Yea

That but the right number

[fresh robin]

we're 7/9 like a 3% blockade wipe last night

6 hr guild

[hollow stone]

I wouldnt worry about parses while progressing but if you want advice just link a log here.

[fresh robin]

alright, this wipe for example -

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xwhFnYDyrqm42Lc6/#fight=23&type=damage-done

that was the 3% er

i mean idk, i just feel like im underperforming or something

legion i felt fine, this xpan i feel mediocre idk

the gear isnt super ideal either, bfa things but whatre you gonna do

my gear options are like a 415 envenom / crap trait chest over the 400 mekka ... less than 300 dps difference on raidbots... and 400 spyglass/415 claw/420 plume... just have had 0 luck with harlans so w/e lol

[solar rose]

High parsing rogues

[ancient path]

@fresh robin your NP traits arent working

[fresh robin]

O.o

[ancient path]

thats prolly why

[fresh robin]

what

[spice surge]

Ye

[ancient path]

it did 0 dmg

[spice surge]

Gotta unequip them

[fresh robin]

wtf is that

[spice surge]

and equip again

[fresh robin]

how long has that been a thing

[spice surge]

A bug that typically happens if you get dc:ed

All of bfa

[ancient path]

yeah its fucked

[fresh robin]

my damage has been scuffed because of a bug idk about, like its been like that i guess since i changed to them

smh, nice eye

ill see if that changes things

well thank you o.O didn't know that was a thing

[spice surge]

Also try to not use vanish envenoms when tb isnt up

[fresh robin]

cheers, i slack on that a bit, ill try to be more conscious of it

[vast forum]

finally killed mekka

rank 9 world

fucked up pot

FeelsGoodMan

[fresh robin]

lol nice

that fight is so bad, our only kill i musta got every mechanic every time

at least it felt that way

[final stone]

grats boiii! no mechanics for yo!!

we working on jaina gurrrl

[fresh robin]

im hyped for jaina, watched all that world first racing, fight looks fun tbh

[final stone]

yeah i really like it. we are only about 30ish pulls in i think

[vast forum]

i got 0 mechanics xD

no prepot, repotted 2 sec too late

[fresh robin]

lmao EZ game