assassination

[bronze kelp]

on high crit fok + eb crits > CT

[spiral escarp]

is it?

[bronze kelp]

also weaker boss dps

[spiral escarp]

I should try it out

[bronze kelp]

it is

[heavy skiff]

Im at 35% crit baseline

And get up to 75%

[spiral escarp]

I only got 28% crit :/

[heavy skiff]

So ye fok spam is the waybto go 4 me

[bronze kelp]

if you only build for trash dmg, then maybe HB meme build applies

[heavy skiff]

I go hb on most dung

[bronze kelp]

cause youre spamming a hell lot of foks

[heavy skiff]

My 3xss carry me on bosses

So np

[bronze kelp]

depends on the role you take

in my group im not the massive aoe burst guy

[heavy skiff]

Just spam

Dont worry bout hb

[bronze kelp]

spam unless enemy count goes way down, or ruptures run out

[heavy skiff]

Its just a buff tonur fok every 2 sec

[bronze kelp]

then go with finishers again

[heavy skiff]

And if u can pull a big pack after a boss

[spiral escarp]

Assassination is damn good at aoe rn, I don't know who out dpses you on trash tbh?

[heavy skiff]

Ur 20 stacks do insane.dps

And if u can pull reaping into boss

U gonna have fun xD

[bronze kelp]

sure assa is damn good on trash, but only for sustained aoe, not for burst

if you wanna have small mobs die fast, assa is not your friend, cause we need to ramp up

[spiral escarp]

well yeah if mobs are like 100k health it's not good

[bronze kelp]

within that time, a dh and outlaw are close to killing them

[spiral escarp]

but most dungeons have tons of elite mobs

[bronze kelp]

depends

[spiral escarp]

outlaw needs to get buffs first

if they haven't

[bronze kelp]

siege, ml, waycrest

many small a adds

[spiral escarp]

so if it is fresh pull, outlaw won't be any good

[heavy skiff]

Wm is not bad

There are lots of small adds

[bronze kelp]

outlaw needs to pop one spell to do insane aoe ^^

[spiral escarp]

WM is full with elites idk what you mean 😄

[heavy skiff]

But mixd with big ones

[bronze kelp]

yeah sure

but with assa against outlaw, you have those littles hitting tank longer, cause assa needs first to ramp up

if you know what i mean

[spiral escarp]

my best dps outputs are usually in ToS, ML and UR... Not sure why in UR assassination is that strong

[bronze kelp]

the instant aoe dmg is one point why people prefer outlaw over assa

[spiral escarp]

with 3 SS traits you have huge burst

[bronze kelp]

cause in UR you got only elite mobs

so you can easy ramp up and fok a long time

and thats the point where we are very good

[heavy skiff]

Ur and kr are so fuking good 4 assa

[bronze kelp]

sustained aoe dps

also temple is a good assa dungeon

also FH

[spiral escarp]

FH I got my ass kicked by outlaw 😄

[bronze kelp]

we get so much profit from longer living mobs over smallies

[spiral escarp]

but never in any other place

actually I get really annoyed when people laugh at me for playing assass

[bronze kelp]

you playing vs outlaws on you skill level ?

[spiral escarp]

our dps is so strong, idk why they think outlaw is so much better

yeah, I've been in some runs double rouge

only place I got beaten on overall was FH

[bronze kelp]

assa is in a very fine place, but as outlaw is way more easy to gear + all guys think assa is difficult -> go outlaw

but im not playing assa for overall dmg

[spiral escarp]

idk about that 😄

I did try outlaw

and I suck at it 😄

[bronze kelp]

i dont like outlaw either

im not that skilled as on assa, so my dmg lacks and my assa spec is the better one

completly fine with that

but as i watch a lot seliathans stream, i tried TTK builds, and the prio target dmg role feels amazing for me 😃

so i run only ttk/eb mixes with 1 ss

since 2-3 weeks

[spiral escarp]

I have only one TTk trait so that's not an option rn, but once I get some more I will try it out defo

[bronze kelp]

hoping for azerite mission after expeditions so i can gamble my next 415 piece

[spiral escarp]

gl!

[bronze kelp]

thx 😃

got back luck last time and got my second pair of FH shoulders :/

[tired drift]

is there any reason to use wound poison and crippling poison?

[cosmic pier]

does mekka trinket proc the on-use trinket cooldown?

[dark crag]

No

Used plumage and mekka together

[cosmic pier]

just got this bad boy

[heavy skiff]

Loool

Fuck u xD

[dark crag]

/report Malsam reason: warforge

[merry zinc]

hey guys, can assa solo the orb in temple of sethraliss?

[cosmic pier]

so on pull do i need to have it bound seperate and wait for it to hit the peak amount?

[honest vessel]

you could prolly make a WA to tell you when its going down, so you can activate it in burst windows

[cosmic pier]

not well @merry zinc

since shadowstep drops the orb

[merry zinc]

allright thank you!

[cosmic pier]

outlaw is better for it since you can use grappling hook with the orb

[dark crag]

With the trinket you want to also time the pulls that you can use the full amount in vendetta

[tepid socket]

Still doable. Just throw the orb, place a racing flag and shados step to it

[dark crag]

Mekka trinket is annoying

[honest vessel]

looks like it

[strange python]

Both sides are very easy to solo as Sin or Combat, maybe a bit easier as Combat with grip. Just sap the closes Guardian. Know where to stand. Pick it up, throw and run. You don't even get into combat until you put the eye in. Use vanish redo. I usually solo both sides while my mates kill the add

[tepid socket]

Seems inefficient to me. We're doing 2 solo orb while tank is pulling all adds away. Triggering 80% reaping with orbs and just deathskip to last boss. Then doing 100% with buff

[heavy skiff]

@tepid socket we donthe same thing

[cosmic pier]

what's the optimal way to use the VIGOR? just on cd with 6 stacks?

[dark crag]

When it reaches 6 stacks it stays for 6 secs, aftet 5.9 secs you press it and extend it for 6 more secs

[cosmic pier]

ahh right that makes sense

[hollow stone]

Pretty sure you can just use in the 6 stack window at any time since the on use extends that buff, doesnt replace the timer already ticking down. I only have it on my alt and havent played too much w it so correct if thats wrong

[dark crag]

I had a wa that glows and beeps at 6 stacks. I counted to 5 and just pressed it

When you press it you get a separate buff

[hollow stone]

What im saying is it doesnt matter if you use on sec 1, 2, or 6. As long as you use in the 6 stack window, it extends that buff for that time. The buff you get pauses the timer on the rotating buff

[dark crag]

I know, i never tested that

[hollow stone]

So if you use at 1 sec, you pause it at 1 sec for 6 sec and then it ticks down the other 5 sec. same total uptime as if you used at 5 sec into your 6 butf

Buff*

[cosmic pier]

the fact the trinket doesnt reset on boss pull is super toxic

[winter gale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sWM9GQ9MohLn9Y1PU6Xt8t

Can anyone take a look and tell me is this ok or I should change anything.

Regarding traits and stuff

[sour nymph]

is there a reason why sims are telling me to stack mastery now?

[night vale]

sometimes haste mastery is best if you are running Shrouded suffocation, as the mastery really helps with garotte damage

trust the sims 😄 they are usually not wrong

[winter gale]

Is 3xDD/1xTC/1xNP/1xTTK and 3x Overwhelming Power a good setup?

For raiding as Assa

[sour nymph]

i raid with 2x TC

[idle vigil]

Ttk is pretty underwhelming

But 3x OP is god tier

[winter gale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sWM9GQ9MohLn9Y1PU6Xt8t

This is my setup

[strange python]

Does not 3xDD 1xNP 1xTTK 1xBBI and 3xOP sim best for you Ohandza. You have All 3 BiS azerite

[long leaf]

okay im lvl 86, does AoE get good at 100 or does it stay nonexistant

[winter gale]

It doesent, this is what simms the best I reckon. Im atm at work. Will run again once I come home

[sour nymph]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jJWJLoYCy41txfuAqVG2BX

[winter gale]

@strange python ill simm it now with gear compare and tell u my result. This what u told me to play is w/o TC

[sour nymph]

@long leaf AoE is not a assassination thing mostly we fair well if you're capable of multi target dotting and sustaining

[winter gale]

It should be better, one bbi sims better than one TC

[long leaf]

ah okay

[sour nymph]

super aoe comes from echoing blades azerite trait and hidden blades

but thats really only used in m+

[long leaf]

not crimson tempest?

[sour nymph]

crimson tempest is good for aoe yes but echoing blades is better for reaping and higher keys if you're not outlaw

i primarily run outlaw for dungeons and ass for raid

[long leaf]

hmm yeah i usually go outlaw for dungeons because i actually feel like im doing AoE

oh that reminds me whats the go to addon for DPS tracking? i uninstalled a while back and forgot what to use

[sour nymph]

I prefer skada, but there are other options such as recount and details

[long leaf]

skada

that was the one

thanks

[sour nymph]

I just didn't like how Details management windows popped when I moused over them

yup yup

[cosmic pier]

details or bust, skada is bad

[dark crag]

And why is skada bad?

[long leaf]

my brother used skada for his whole wow career and i watched him play all the time so, skada is better to me

no idea what details is lul

[cosmic pier]

oh wait im thinking recount

thats the one that tracks active time wrong

[plain thistle]

but is skada getting constantly updated?

[cosmic pier]

i love the shortcuts in details though

being able to swap to anything in 2 clicks

[plain thistle]

thats important with how blizzard likes to break things 😂

[winter gale]

Im using skada. Is details just more detailed or precise? If skada is enough and correct Ill keep iy

It*

[cosmic pier]

oof

last update last year

[strange python]

Feels this is going way way off topic

[sour nymph]

details is more flashy from a ui perspective and also tracks active cc's used like kidney shots etc

[dark crag]

No

[sour nymph]

not at all

[strange python]

No

[plain thistle]

@winter gale details is constantly getting updated, and has more option that you can change, and some really cool plugins

[cosmic pier]

especially not in mythic 😛

[sour nymph]

you're more likely to get stunned trying to

[plain thistle]

we dont actually get main target damage maintaining dots on off targets, so not worth

same goes for conclave

[winter gale]

@strange python i simmed myself and bbi sims better for 0.0% and in dps difference its 6dps 😂. But on herodmg 1 TC is higher than 1BBI.

Ill keep it this way.

[cosmic pier]

gotta consider TC uptime

[winter gale]

Yes!

Omg

[cosmic pier]

what TC % you simming at?

[winter gale]

Patchwerk is default on 100%

[cosmic pier]

i usually go for 90%

[winter gale]

Im imbecil, hahaha

[cosmic pier]

maybe even less on prog bosses

[winter gale]

Always forget that. I remember simming myself with Rarray long after Uldir exipred, hahaha

[cosmic pier]

just gotta think about how the fight is gonna damage you

[winter gale]

Yes, yes. Ty. I completely forgot

[strange python]

So your shoulders from 2nd boss with 1xDD and 1xTC. Sims higher/the same as Gorak with 1xDD 1xBBI and OP? Strange.. but okey! @winter gale

[winter gale]

No no, with this same items I can just set headpiece to dd Np and gorak to dd bbi and have the same setup as u told me @strange python

And it sims the same.

[worldly pendant]

ddont talk about simming my sims says i should go for the 3 dd 3 np but then i watch the highest logs and people are using 3 SS i dont know why

[strange python]

Padding with SS

[lean helm]

With a 3xEB build do you FOK on boss?

[hollow cloak]

i have check some logs, but is there reason to do opener muti muti rupture, than go normal opener?

[sturdy python]

@lean helm fok on 2+ targets

[hollow cloak]

or like muti rupture muti garrote vendetta toxic blade vanish

[sturdy python]

Are you using subterfuge or MA

[hollow cloak]

ma

[idle vigil]

With ma I’m assuming

[hollow cloak]

i understand using garrote with subter

because empowered

[idle vigil]

But ur losing energy is the only trade off

Not sure what’s worth

[sturdy python]

G>M>R>Vend>Van>TB

[idle vigil]

Yea that sounds right

[hollow cloak]

but like if use garrote at first, u dont really gain nothing

[sturdy python]

Damage, energy

[hollow cloak]

@hollow wraith i do that too

but atm thinking why use garrote at begin, u dont gain from ma

it

[sturdy python]

You can feely or go with what the sims show

Mut without envenom buff isn’t that effective anyway

You get that anyway with the suggested opener

[winter gale]

Ma opener G-Muti till 4/5 Cp-Rupture -muti-Vendetta-Vanish Toxic Blade

Thats how I open atleast

[sturdy python]

Basically, the most recent one skips the muti before vendett

I doubt it’s a big difference either way though

[winter gale]

Like this my vanish/TB gives me 4cp minimum and Im safe to envenom right after

This is basically legion rotation

[worldly iron]

Tawney, what he meant was back to back crit envenom during the MA window

I'm assuming

[sturdy python]

Gotcha

[worldly iron]

I like doing vanish into envenom -> mut -> envenom too

feels spicy

sometimes it feels bad when it doesn't crit but then I just roll with it

yeah

[sturdy python]

Has a higher potential but on average is less according to sims.

Probably doesn’t matter much

Not opening with garrote is the iffy one

[winter gale]

Y

[worldly iron]

pretty much

[eager barn]

Thinking about going sin over outlaw on m opulence due to forced ruby

Any thoughts?

[orchid lichen]

which traits are ok to stack?

like double dose vs suffocation

ok ty

[lament dove]

why do you go sin for ruby? outlaw has more special attacks (higher APM)

[worldly iron]

sin ruby is

[eager barn]

Ruby is trash but I have to do what I have to do... Was just thinking about it, haven't done it yet. But was trying to figure out if it may be better than outlaw in that case. All you need is 1 aps

[worldly iron]

fair, but sin ruby is

[sturdy python]

Others have done it fine, just don’t let it fall off by spamming too much

[eager barn]

I so if it's that bad I'll just stick ol

[sturdy python]

And use poisoned knife properly

I’m sure it’s less worrisome as outlaw though

[worldly iron]

I wanna pool however I see fit without having to worry about ruby

[lament dove]

having to run out with gold all the time solves pooling:(

[worldly iron]

just don't get targeted by liquid gold

[idle vigil]

Cloak it off in the raid fuck where it drops

Alpha that shit

[lament dove]

yesterday I was only on Grong and Opulence, both times I ran about 4 times either with throw or liquid gold, felt like I'm in a gym class

[bold lintel]

hey, which trinket is better Kimbuls claw or resonating heart?

[smoky fiber]

Neither are that great for sin

[strange python]

Is Invocation of Yu'lon any good for m+ ? got a 415. Figured could be strong against reaping/big packs?

+15 region

[lilac dirge]

the bonus damage caps at 6 targets

[strange python]

i think that answers my question, thanks 😛

[viral aurora]

Raid trinkets are depressing

[lilac dirge]

^^

[strange python]

@lilac dirge i tested it today since i got it 405 from raid

It makes the work if you dont ahve anything else

but im looking to replace it as fast as i can

[lilac dirge]

i've never used it but that's just what i've heard from guys on here. it isn't bad, stats would just scale to more damage on more than 6 targets

[viral aurora]

I would go 390 spyglass harlan azerokks etc. Alch Stone. Over that yulon

[strange python]

Is worth the alch stone?

bloodmallet telling us to use MA now?

[sturdy python]

MA normally out sims subterfuge in ST if you have 0 SS

[strange python]

yeah that makes sense I think I am about to have 0 once I get my last BIS azerite piece so I need to learn how to play with subterfuge

[unborn gate]

Sim > Bloodmallet

[strange python]

well obviously but still

[rigid mango]

Also define bis

[strange python]

why would raidbots tell me to use subterfuge with no SS as my best gear for single target raidbosses?

you'd use MA in that scenario right?

[lost sentinel]

Subt is pretty good alone, I got similar results b4

[eager haven]

What traits are you running @strange python

Actually link your sim I wanna see your stats too

[silver horizon]

there has to bee a better way to go about Conclave? it's been my kryptonite this tier.

[rancid bobcat]

?

Just hit the boss

ST fight

[worldly iron]

internal bleeding

[rancid bobcat]

Save shadow step to get to one of the back raptors

So you get more uptime

Otherwise it's a ST fight

[haughty mulch]

3 double, 3 nothing personal is bis Azerite correct? And If I can get one of those run ss with sub?

[idle vigil]

This is bfa

There is no bis why do people keep asking this

Simyourself

Based on your stats which is impossible to tell bis because of titan forging certain azerites will be better or worse for you

[hollow stone]

There is bis for azerite. And its not 3dd 3np because of the third trait

Helm from champs or blockade w dd np op. Shoulders are goraks w dd bb op. Chest is celophode (or however you spell it) w dd ttk op

[warm geode]

overwhelming power procs ( u can keep the proc ) at jaina mythic?

[plain thistle]

TC is better than the third rank of NP, for pure single target and assuming 100% TC uptime

other than that, with pure ring 1+ ring traits, yes 3DD + 3NP is bis

[hollow stone]

Jaina is an exception because op stacks fade quicker and the only time dps matters is last phase making gr better in that one specific case

[plain thistle]

but azerite has more than 2 rings, which you need to consider as well

[warm geode]

was thinking dat

@hollow stone

[plain thistle]

pretty sure OP only lose stack with avoidable damage, which means Chilling Touch would not affect it

[hollow stone]

I havent been paying enough attention on our pulls. Just going off what eleem n seli were telling me a few weeks back

So cant confirm or deny that

[plain thistle]

and checking logs, 1 proc last the same amount of time on opulance than it does on jaina

[undone talon]

for blockade prog what trinkets? i got 400 dice 420 spyglass 410 galecallers 400 plumage

[slender sonnet]

raidbots.com

jk

[plain thistle]

spyglass for sure 👍

im not a big fan of galecaller, so I would use plumage, more consistent burst. or you cold just (GC will probably sim better tho)

[hollow stone]

Spy and gcb imo. Assuming you use gcb properly. It lines up well

[quiet crescent]

Galecaller sim vs galecaller reality is pretty big.

[hollow stone]

No its not

Just dont be a dumb

[golden relic]

galecallers on blockade monkaS

[quiet crescent]

Okay buddy.

I'd love to see a blockade mythic attempt using gcb with perfect uptime

[languid ore]

Replacing my GC with plumage is like freedom

Finally move around wherever I want

[hollow stone]

I guess our definitions of pretty big are different

[quiet crescent]

Losing a full gcb during vendetta is big.

Losing one without is probably pretty minor.

Broscience

[hollow stone]

If youre ever losing a full gcb, you dun goofed up good

[quiet crescent]

Or someone else dun goofed up

[hollow stone]

Yea. True dat

[quiet crescent]

That's my issue with it, I used it all last tier and it just frustrated me

[hollow stone]

Yea. I agree. Of equal ilvl, sockets, blah blah, i would take plume over gcb. But that wasnt the case with his options

[quiet crescent]

Fair enough. I dont disagree with that

[hollow stone]

And assuming proper execution on blockade you "shouldnt" have to move out of gcb before it expires

Big emphasis on shouldnt, like youre saying

[quiet crescent]

Yeah

My guild doesn't do perfect execution.

[strange python]

I'm new to rogue, I was wondering what traits help assassination specifically for M+ AoE?

[plain thistle]

echoing blades, shroud suffocation, twisted the knife. those are our better option, for rogue specific tratis

twisted the knife is not a "AoE" trait, but its really good for mythic+

[opaque relic]

Is it worth running 3x EB and 3x SS on tyrannical weeks? Let's say one of the other DPS is AoE oriented and the other one leans toward ST dmg.

[shrewd plover]

Hello guys, can you tell me the opener pull with MA ?

[sonic bridge]

check the guide

[shrewd plover]

on ravenholt ?

[sonic bridge]

yea its there

full opener

[shrewd plover]

ok cause sometimes i read some diff pull

with toxic blade

And when i have ti used my trinket ? just before vendetta ?

[red zealot]

How does this sounds for M+ 3EB 1 SS 1 NP and 1 TTK?

[shrewd plover]

and when you come at the second Vendetta what did you do for maximize MA ? build 4-5 combo/Vendeta/Vanish Envemon/muti ?

[sonic bridge]

4/5cp vendetta > vanish > envenom > muti > envenom

[candid jasper]

In actuality, I'm doing less dps with 3x DD + 2x NP + 1x TC vs 3x DD + 3x NP

Although my sim is saying TC is about 150 dps better

[sonic bridge]

then you're playing wrong

[candid jasper]

Ah right

Thanks 😃

[sonic bridge]

np

[icy ember]

w/MA i do this: G M R Ven TB M til +4 Vanish E M E

but the guide says to do something else, even tho it used to say ^^

[sonic bridge]

isnt it better to use TB when at 3/4cp

and then vanish

so mut > tb > van

longer tb window

[wary ice]

The guide moved it to ...ven-Van-tb-env-mut iirc

[icy ember]

well TB causes your muts to hit hard AF

[wary ice]

because its more consisteent

U shouldnt be TBing muts without env buff

My opener is G M R ven mut tb van env mut env

[sonic bridge]

wtf

guide telling to put only 1 env into ma window?

[icy ember]

ya it is strange AF, and I dont follow it

[wary ice]

@sonic bridge its more consistent

[sonic bridge]

because of the rng?

[wary ice]

yeah

TB mut env is more than env mut mut

so when u get memed on by MA, ur less sad about it

over 10k iterations, that meme-age is more noticble

[icy ember]

well i will gladly be meme'd upon

[wary ice]

IMO - just go for the gamble or find an SS trait

[sonic bridge]

So env > mut > env is better only when you get 4cp from the muti?

[icy ember]

it would seem to be that way

[sonic bridge]

mhm

ok

[icy ember]

if you get a 3cp env off it is weak

but it still crits for 40-50k

[wary ice]

U also need the env's to crit

like e-m-e's top out is much higher than tb-m-e

but the bottom is also much lower

[hollow stone]

All bout that gamble baby. First or last

There is no 2nd place

[winged remnant]

i literally just swapped from outlaw to assass last night for the time being and man i felt like my opener was really RNG and the different openers also felt RNG on which was better..then i read this lol.

guess it was..

[civic palm]

_>"

[rustic ether]

yeah sin is the rng spec

[manic pivot]

hey everyone, I have an azerite question. Is it good to keep one twist the knife for single target intensive fights such as raid progress?

[rigid mango]

It's good for prio damage in such things like m+ but gets out values by several other traits raid wise

It's still good, but if you have shit like, tc, dd, np, bbi, they'll be better

[manic pivot]

thought as much, I'm using three Double doses, two treacherous and one shroud

[rigid mango]

If you can

Swap ANY of your traits

For 1x NP

Any trait at all, aslong as you have 1 NP

[sturdy python]

Note though, bis chest is cephalohide with ttk because of OP on third ring

[rigid mango]

Oh, what's the other outer?

On ceph

[sturdy python]

DD

[rigid mango]

So dd/ttk?

[sturdy python]

Yup

[rustic ether]

i just noticed i have 3DD 2NP 1 TTK 3OP

hot damn im fine on azerite

[rigid mango]

That is

Juicy shit sir

[rustic ether]

didnt notice i had triple OP

[rigid mango]

Yeh well ttk is fine there

[sturdy python]

Make sure to sim other options besides both NPs. My second NP is beat by BBI

[rigid mango]

But 1 NP

Is a need, sorta

[sturdy python]

1 NP is great though yeah

[rigid mango]

Better than any other trait

[rancid blaze]

is Tell Me When pretty acurate?

[manic pivot]

what's better to sacrifice then, one DD or one TC?

[civic palm]

TMW works fine, sure.

[manic pivot]

for a nothing personnal

[rigid mango]

Tc

Probs

DD is normally better than tc

For pure patchwerk

Sim and you'll see, also depends on what fight

Depends what uptime you can activly have on tc, normally 90+% iirc, when you're simming

[rustic ether]

id just stick to DD if its pure ST

[rigid mango]

^ ditto

[manic pivot]

ok, thx guys

[rustic ether]

TC gathers more value on multiple targets but if you start to drop value on it by going below 50%, you lose that edge

DD is just a constant GOOD trait

[rigid mango]

Well

Ye

But that depends on the fight

Also tc might not be worth taking if healing is an issue for prog

[rustic ether]

@sturdy python simmed agian jjust to make sure, 2NP versus 1NP 1BBI on my gear is the exact same dps xD

[rigid mango]

I'd just go bbi to flex

Cuz u gotta flex with ur lottery ticket prize

[rustic ether]

i gotta put my dmg into vendetta though, im one of the only melee going downstairs in our rasta kills

[rigid mango]

Meh

Bbi baby

Ig bbi has higher highs and lows whilst np is more consistant

[rustic ether]

yeah i need guarenteed burst on rasta

i gotta show those chummy ranged whos the real burst spec

[thin patio]

OO

[rustic ether]

while they whine and cry in fort pussy in phase 2 LUL

[rigid mango]

I'm back to prog on jaina on sunday, gonna spin the wheel and pray for a new chest

Sick n tired of being stuck w np + sob chest

[rustic ether]

sob op

[rigid mango]

On jaina

[naive iron]

don't PvE too much so using 2x TTK, 2x NP, 1x Shroud, 1x DD

[rustic ether]

but dude

its a free 190 agi!

[rigid mango]

That's a buils that's like

Bipolar as shit

Ig it's good for st nvm

I just auto rhink of ttk as an m+ trait

Ye man, i LOVE agi

With like 1 place where I can get two ruptures off

[rustic ether]

you can get two ruptues on nathan and the ele

and then the ele and jaina

then on prismatic images

or barrels

kek

[rigid mango]

Ig ye

Fair enough

Still

Agi !!!!!

[naive iron]

wouldn't mind getting rid of the DD for another TTK, and some SoB

[rustic ether]

nah im fuckin with ya its a shit thing to deal with

[rigid mango]

Weeeeeeeeee

Dd is top tier dude

[naive iron]

for PvE

[rigid mango]

I mean I assume it's good for pvp

St

Galore

[strange python]

You can use more then one NP trait?

[civic palm]

You can use more than 1 of every trait.

[rigid mango]

You can, but it drops off

You don't get anymore energy, just dmg

It's still one of the best, just not as insane as it is as a first

[strange python]

Thanks for explaining the function I understand

[civic palm]

Thanks for explaining what you didn't understand.

[rigid mango]

It'll still be near shit like tc/dd in terms of patchwerk

Well

You literally asked

And i gave you a literal answer to your insanely basic question

[strange python]

I ment that in a positive sense

Like thank you for explaining

[civic palm]

Ah you missed a comma.

[strange python]

Sorry I'm eating hehe

[rigid mango]

Ty @civic palm

[solid nova]

@rustic ether Wrong channel.

[rustic ether]

really?

[solid nova]

Yes.

[rustic ether]

wheres the channel where i can throw money at people to fight then

[solid nova]

#off-topic

[rigid mango]

Off topic

[sturdy python]

Off topic

Works fairly well actually, GL

[rustic ether]

w/e lol

[rigid mango]

Oooh richard's purple now

Fancy

[strange python]

From the above conversation read above is it fair to assume Crimson Tempest is never a fair choice in M+ over Fan spec?

[rigid mango]

It's not as good as pb

Imo

Maybe during teeming

But PB is still valued highee for st damage, esp during tyr

There are EB stacking HB builds going around

[rustic ether]

HB is usable on fort weeks when you have triple EB

PB is prolly in every other situation

[rigid mango]

^

[rustic ether]

tyr weeks with HB isnt too satisfying once you go around 20+ keys lol

[rigid mango]

Ye

Like you get so shafted during bosses

[rustic ether]

only a few bosses across a few dungeons i could see HB being semi useable

[wary ice]

My understanding of last tier talent choice is you go PB or you should probably be spec swapping to outlaw

I'm sure there are some more nuances than that

[rigid mango]

Some people enjoy stacking eb

Some people call that padrogue and say you should be going outlaw

[hollow stone]

@primal gazelle

[rigid mango]

^

Dayvanie plays eb heavy, seliathan prio target heavy

Adopt one or the other, normally around group/pref/dung

[strange python]

I see, thanks again for the help, I've been looking everywhere for current M+ knowledge. Hopefully I can make 1k .io today. I do plan on building an outlaw set if it comes optimal. My last question is what tier 2 talent is a good base for me as I progress my knowledge?

[rigid mango]

This is standard shit that's in the pins

Go to the website

And look over their guides, this is super basic

[strange python]

I must have misread it, thanks again for the help.

[inland stump]

guys, how would you think of sacrificing 100-200 dps just to have the trait u want?

(source: raidbots)

cuz Im still practising on my opener and it works on the base of having 1 SS trait but with the new azurite piece I got, it wants me to change from it to DD and have DD on the other piece where I got both SS and DD trait

[primal gazelle]

My brain is too small to play outlaw

[inland stump]

if I do x2 DD I get +200 dps, if I go 1 dd and 1 ss i get +100 dps

[primal gazelle]

I only know how to press 1 button for 100k dps

[inland stump]

haha xD

[rigid mango]

If ur not into total min max then that sacrifice wont matter, if it's just down to learning and you need/want the extra damage, take the dd

[lusty narwhal]

@inland stump Confused with what youre asking

[inland stump]

i do just fine dps with 1 dd and 1 ss

18-19k mostly when I'm summed 20500

at now 401 ilvl

@lusty narwhal so atm, I have 2 azurite pieces which have both double dose and shrouded suffocation on same ring

so I have 1 DD on one piece and one SS on the other

and yesterday i got a new piece

with the same thing, the traits on the same ring

and when I sim, it says I should pick double dose on both rings and doing that gives me +200 dps

with 1 dd and 1 ss its +100

and with x2 ss its less

[lusty narwhal]

So its 2 pieces not 3, gotcha

[inland stump]

but I just got used to the opener around ss and subterfuge

[lusty narwhal]

And this is for single target?

[inland stump]

i don't have so much gear to change it as much

so balancing as good as possible for both

i do fine/good single and aoe dmg

ofc it can be higher but I don't lack in either area

[lusty narwhal]

I dont think itd matter much honestly

Using MA is incredibly simple, so no real learning curve

The gap will close for sure if you’re cleaving

[inland stump]

Master Assasin?

[lusty narwhal]

Yep

[inland stump]

i cleave definitetly

yes, if I'm gonna go dd build then yes i will get MA

[lusty narwhal]

Well yeah then doesnt matter, use the 1SS haha

[inland stump]

alright so its most about personal preference?

alright cuz it got quite messy

could have easily solved this myself but it got too messy

and had a few rings that kept changing too

[lusty narwhal]

If youre only discussing 2 pieces, yeah... discrepancy isn’t that big. Depends on fight though

[inland stump]

yes ofc

i have looked at build from different rogues

[lusty narwhal]

Solved your own problem haha

[inland stump]

the have varied

from full ss, full dd and a balance of both

ahh I was happy to get a new piece but it gave more probs xD

thank you for helping me clear this up, take care 😃

[rustic ether]

MA build is actually so much smoother

than SS

i cna already feel the exact TB windows

and theres never an akward moment where i need to reapply bleeds and tb comes off cd for a few seconds

ive used potion of bursting blood twice now and it seems its only procced once????

on a target dummy so maybe thats whats fucking it up?

[inland stump]

do u pot BEFORE pull?

cuz if I understood what u meant, on a dummy u could pot twice but in a real encounter once?
I did the same mistake but its because I didn't pot before a fight

a pot lasts 45 sec so u have defintely time to get ur cds in since vendetta lasts for 20sec so use pot a few sec before pultimmer goes to 0 and about MA, it seems to depend on ur build and what u are used to, personally Im used to SS trait and subterfuge, if u are gonna go MA, it seems most optimal to get double dose traits

I have also managed to play around the tb thingy, just wait a few sec and reapply the dots and u are good to go ;))

[spice surge]

If you use your pot right before you pull a boss ("prepotting") you will be able to use another one 60 seconds later in the fight

A pot lasts 25 seconds, not 45

delaying tb for any substantial amount of time is generally a dps loss

[inland stump]

ah hmb

no its like 5 sec max

because I will have to reapply dots in the middle of the tb window

so rather saved it a few sec, get dots run and get in 2 envenoms at the very least

ah mb* about the pot uptime

[golden relic]

dps loss doe

[inland stump]

alright I can see now, if its 10+ then should use and refresh rupture between 1-5 sec left

but if its 10 sec left on rupture and garrote aswell, I did rather a few sec to refresh rupture and then use the pt from garrote with mutilate and toxic blade for 2 envenoms rather than barely getting one in that window

even if I can just use 1 envenom, should I still use tb? it buffs poison dmg aswell tho

[civic palm]

_>

[cobalt gyro]

whats the mutilate

[umbral meadow]

is it better to refresh dots closer to or further away from the refresh point?

[dusky moon]

hm... should I be running ST or MT this week in M+?

[umbral meadow]

like should I refresh rupture at 6 seconds or 3

ideally

[dusky moon]

as long as you don't drop it, it is fine

[umbral meadow]

I don't drop them, but isn't it more energy efficient to refresh rupture later rather than closer to the 6 second cut off?

[civic palm]

DP timer, though I might just remove it.

[dusky moon]

does not matter.. if you always refresh at 6 or at 3, there's 24 seconds duration

between re-applications

[blazing kayak]

i wanted to play amge but the altered time discord kinda sucks ass

comapred to this one

mage*

no help

[civic palm]

O _O

[dusky moon]

the only time you waste energy/gcg is when you re-apply dots sooner than 1/3 duration

[clear oar]

3 DD and MA or 1 DD 2 PV 1 SS and subterfuge

[south lagoon]

for what? pure ST?

[clear oar]

yuh

[south lagoon]

3 DD and MA is my go to

but make sure you sim it

[clear oar]

is there a way to sim that in raidbots, i just bought a sub and cant figure it out

[south lagoon]

select the Traits you wanna sim

and then sim your talents near the bottom

in top gear

[dusky moon]

yes, you can do variation sim without sub

[civic palm]

hrm

[cobalt gyro]

@civic palm only time i see a DP timer being useful is if it's like

of targets with DP within FoK range

[inland stump]

what do you wanna tell with those pictures?

[cobalt gyro]

that's a wealk aura

that i'm assuming they're working on

[inland stump]

ahh oki

[civic palm]

Yeah it's a weird thing, I removed it because it made no sense.

Even with FoK you don't have a 100% proc rate an the DP timers are different.

[inland stump]

i read the guide, which I got the very nice opener from, it says TB on cd?, and answer: really.

[civic palm]

really

[inland stump]

but should it still be off cd, if u would just get 1 envenom off

[cobalt gyro]

yes

[inland stump]

like isn't it worth waiting 3-4 sec

[cobalt gyro]

i mean

[inland stump]

to refresh dots

and then get 2 envenoms guarenteed

[south lagoon]

you wanna try and get your dots and energy ready to go when TB is coming off cd

[inland stump]

and i talk about longer fights now

[cobalt gyro]

you should've pooled earlier

[south lagoon]

then pump 3 envenoms

[civic palm]

Here's something triggering;

[south lagoon]

sin isnt a constant class, its build and dump

[inland stump]

but what if they are mistimmd

[cobalt gyro]

whats triggering

[civic palm]

weiird O _O

1 second, discord renders greens differently than WoW.

So it looks fine here.

[south lagoon]

just gotta practice more @inland stump and you'll get the hang of it

[inland stump]

like Im refreshing them, and when they get to the refresh window, is after tb is off cd

[civic palm]

interesting

[cobalt gyro]

are those prgress timers?

[civic palm]

The greens are different widths, but they are not.

[cobalt gyro]

i'm curimous how you made that work

[civic palm]

They are also the same color.

[cobalt gyro]

they look the same color

[civic palm]

Fucking, Toxic Blade icon is scuffed still.

[cobalt gyro]

it's probably the icons bieng different

making it look the wrong color

[civic palm]

It's the TB icon and the cooldown swipe effect.

Makes it darker.

But not, haha, this is dumb.

[cobalt gyro]

looks near

what are the numbers underneath

[civic palm]

keybinding for looks

[cobalt gyro]

interesting

[civic palm]

So let's see - https://i.imgur.com/yIpIkMv.png

Yeah open that outside of discord

:3

[cobalt gyro]

[civic palm]

👏

[inland stump]

hmm, when refreshing a rupture, is it fine to do so with 1 point if u fail with the timings/energy cuz it extends the current dot? and then buff it up again later with a 5 pt rupture? cuz it seems all about those timings, moments when I get good dps is when I manage to time right

[cobalt gyro]

I kinda wanna t ry combo points as bars

[civic palm]

Yeah I still like numbers better, but bars work here.

[cobalt gyro]

not sure how i'd make it fit

[civic palm]

I also like the colors I picked.

[cobalt gyro]

i'll probably play around with mine a bit again

I made one for lust being up which is kinda meh

[civic palm]

Done for now > _>

[cobalt gyro]

notbad

[civic palm]

I try this every expansion and then drop it.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crescent]

Does Mastery affect Envenom?

[clear oar]

whats the opener look like if you are running 3 DD and MA?

or how is vanish utilized if you are running that, normally its to refresh my SS

[civic palm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[clear oar]

ty

[inland stump]

as u probably see on the link, there, different opener for different builds(traits and talents)

i personally go with a mix of DD and SS with subterfuge

want atleast 1 more dd and 1 more subterfuge if thats possible

[wooden fog]

@prisma crescent Yes it does

[zinc pewter]

do we take ruby or opal on m opulence?

[inland stump]

i always take ruby, but depends on ur team

I do ruby when I do with my guild and then when I play with randoms i tell them i take ruby

[zinc pewter]

i thought opal was the better choice

[inland stump]

also, u can read what type of dmg the ability does and what mastery is affecting

idk, just the way i have done

and thne I sit on boss

and when on opulence and adds spawn, just toxic blade and spam FoK with envenoms 😄

again, its probably different for different players and teams

[mighty elm]

Opal is ofc better for dmg, but we usually get stuck with ruby

[vapid delta]

Is binding start attack still a thing on filler//combo expends? (similar to bm hunter binding petattacks to their spells)

(im referring to macroing startattack and mutilate for example)

[sturdy python]

No, it just happens already

[desert vault]

hmm, what's a good group comp for siege this week?

[dark crag]

Max aoe with best st you can get

[inland stump]

well whichever gem u take rly, it affects everyone so it doesn't matter that much tbh but its easier to proc gem effect on certain specs so thats why it may matter 😛

Yea I have went with a balanced ST and AoE build

DD, SS, subterfuge, NP

[shy dust]

would DH be a good choice

for ruby on opulence

[inland stump]

Demon Hunter?

[dark crag]

It works but dh is too good with opal/emerald

[inland stump]

Well DH are very good at cleaving

they are supposed to focus the adds while u can easy stick at the boss as assasin

[shy dust]

kk

[inland stump]

an SS + sub focused build, is it aoe, st or both?

[dark crag]

St cleave

[inland stump]

i think DD with MA is a ST build right?

[dark crag]

Yes

[inland stump]

st cleave, u mean u are mostly st but can aoe aswell?

alright

[dark crag]

Yes, st with cleaveability

[inland stump]

alright

hmm, but I have DD and SS

seen players on logs have both

2 of each and NP

[dark crag]

Full aoe is an ss eb setup

[inland stump]

what was EB short for again?

[dark crag]

Echoing blades

[inland stump]

ahh for FoK yea

[dark crag]

Yes

[inland stump]

but how would u list a balanced build of dd and ss?
with sub aswell

I seem to have quite good st and aoe

then it comes down to my execution of rotations and cds

[dark crag]

Hard aoe is often 5+ targets, below that ss is very good

[inland stump]

alright

but SS and DD build is a mix of both?

[dark crag]

Currently i play 3dd 1ss 1np 1engi

[inland stump]

and u are st cleave?

[dark crag]

With ss you take subter

[inland stump]

yea

i have

I'm sorry if I seem stupid, have played Assassin Rogue for a long time but just recently began digging into the spec and playing it properly at last

EP on first row with Subterfuge is awesome

so much stuff to buff the garrote with

[dark crag]

Did cotl hc today and opened with full cleave on adds + vendetta vanish on boss. If the fight had been over like most in 1 min and a few secs, i had around 40 to 45k dps. But the group was not that good and it took over 2 min

[inland stump]

ow u dont zerg?

i am around 18-20k

[dark crag]

I could have vanish garrotte the adds a second time but tanks were dead and i didn't want to wipe

[inland stump]

401ilvl, then it differs from encounter to encounter

ahh that sucks :/

i had a fun day on HC yesterday, bad party that failed just at the start, then I joined a party where it said in title(mythic progress leader, don't remember how much)

I ask, do you check io or something, he said yes, yet the party sucked :/

But also did orbs on Grong and saw 57k dps, I was like, this must be on adds, so I checked skada and clicked on Grong and saw it was actually 57k but it was due to orbs xD

But I should keep that in mind, to vanish garrote the adds, ty for the tip 😃

[dark crag]

2:15 vs 1:20 last time

On grong its most of the time not worth to switch. Adds die too fast in good groups

[inland stump]

yea I just dotted and mby did 1 envenom

yea but do u zerg most of times or adds?

[strange python]

is grong the best fight to check logs on for sin too?

[inland stump]

grong, champions and opulence imo

[strange python]

sure

[inland stump]

none of them are mechanic intensive

the rest after that are

jade fire could be fine aswell but if party is meh then idk

[strange python]

I assume you take CT to pad on both opulence and cotl

[inland stump]

i got for example 95% on time on Jadefire

Im sorry, but CT?

we use so many short xD

[strange python]

crimson tempest

[inland stump]

no

the only time i aoe at opulence

is when adds spawn

but i take ruby

so i stick at boss and fan of knives the adds to spam envenom

[strange python]

well I did say pad, ruby would assume not padding

[inland stump]

and champions is mostly cleave

whats padding then? mb

[strange python]

but I can see where envenom spam > CT

purposefully farming DPS

where it might not be the best weighted dps

[inland stump]

haha yea xD

but whats padding, haven't heard of that term

CT is on last row right? i use poison bomb

[jovial adder]

hey on mythic mekkatorque who do you guys shadow step to?

[inland stump]

Im still at HC Jaina with my guild, HC Gnome was not fun D:

how is mythic different from hc?

[lost horizon]

@jovial adderi step to boss

[jaunty crystal]

@jovial adder do you mean when you get knocked into the air? If so you can just shadowstep to the boss if you do it quick enough

[lost horizon]

Just step then run out of his circle

[jovial adder]

Yeah when I get knocked up

[lost horizon]

If someone was dumb and put wormhole far out just click someone underyou

[jaunty crystal]

yea if you're quick just shadowstep to the boss before you are too high

[lost horizon]

That isn't like a mage or something who teles far out

[jovial adder]

alright thx guys

[ornate gazelle]

When do you cloak going into P3 on Jaina to not take damage from stacks?

[hollow stone]

Just step to your tanks right before you hit the ground if you cant step boss on the way up. Tanks will never get knocked up. But they may have gigavolt so watch for that if your tank steppin'

[inland stump]

it depends on what tactic u are doing right?

(Jaina)

[hollow stone]

Hes talking about a bug

[inland stump]

I answered the person asking about Jaina, its bit confusing mb 😛

[neat moat]

They fix dat bug

[bleak spoke]

405 vigor!

[lethal mauve]

Hi guys, open whith meta azerite trait for ma mut rap mut gar vendetta envenom mut (till 4-5) vanish envenom tb mut envenom is good or not?

[lost horizon]

check the guide in the pins, it has the openers for different talent/trait set ups

[rancid bobcat]

where is it

i know

i dont see any threads with it

@supple hearth

@slow quartz

@hallow sonnet

you alright bucko

gettin your rocks off

also that's not the same discord invite as this server

[marble elm]

mods afk??

hello?

[rancid bobcat]

maybe

[bleak spoke]

damn, why you posting live action rupture

[rancid bobcat]

@slow quartz can you delete this shit

[pastel vault]

@slow quartz @supple hearth help

[placid palm]

is this what this chat is like?

[rancid bobcat]

hehe epig /b/ spammer

youre sure trolling us

omg

[pastel vault]

you realize those links dont work unless ppl click them right nice meme

[rustic parrot]

@rose perch

[pastel vault]

dratnos will save the discord D:

[rose perch]

Oh hang on let me figure out how to purge those

Wait someone else got it first God bless

[uncut flame]

dratnos the absolute lad

[steep reef]

dratnos ur picture looks very cute 😃

[rancid bobcat]

🦀

[rose perch]

Thank ^.^

[slow quartz]

Got them. Thanks for the heads up.

[steep reef]

dratnos u ever hear of my main nightx-thrall

[rancid bobcat]

paryah phone modding

[pastel vault]

🦀

[rancid bobcat]

hard work

[rustic parrot]

Do you guys have warden ?

[rose perch]

Ya very cute rogue I've heard kyrik

[rustic parrot]

This shit is whack

[steep reef]

its really hard to build combo points on thrall dratnos

u wanna raid for real 😃

[marble elm]

its duanemiles on thrall

u fucking idiot

[steep reef]

im not duanemiles

[rose perch]

This channel not the place for this btw :]

[modest raft]

that guy was a true gamer

[steep reef]

im nightx

ok sorry dratnos i just wanted to say hi

[rose perch]

Hi (:

[steep reef]

😃

[rustic parrot]

@rose perch what’s in the staff channel

What’s in the ravenholdt reformed channel

[meager nebula]

If it's not spec related take it to #off-topic

[modest raft]

dratnos u have a cute smile

[rancid bobcat]

@supple hearth make me mod so i can ban spammers

[vapid delta]

I asked earlier but wanted a second opinion

If any professionals are here

[steep reef]

hello how can i help u

[vapid delta]

Is there any benefit to having start auto attack macros on muti/env/rupt

[steep reef]

no it does it automatically now

[vapid delta]

Similar to how hunters bind pet attacks to spells, it USED to be a thing for stealth classes too due to some interaction (I believe?)

[marble elm]

people bind pet attack so their pet always hits the same target as them

[vapid delta]

No they bind it each attack because blizzard pet AI is cancer

[meager nebula]

You do not need to bind anything to your abilities

Only pets have that issue

[vapid delta]

Perfect ty

And secondly; when we have TB + Vend + Vanish (but not during opener) out of stealth mid pull

Is there an Optimal amount of combos points + order? To maximise MA window?

(no ss) MA setup

Sorry shouldve specified.

[rancid bobcat]

i get to 3/4, then tb to 4 or 5, then vanish+envenom>mut>envenom

for hopefully 2 envenoms within the window

if you dont get 4 from MA mut then kinda sad but what can you do

[vapid delta]

Ay that seems like the intuitive thing to do and have been doing the same

[worldly iron]

you can vanish -> tb -> envenom too

I go for the gamble, though

vanish into envenom

[vapid delta]

Is there any comparison between the two? Any wizards out there?

What does the APL for sim do?

[worldly iron]

I'm pretty sure vanish -> tb is more consistent but the other way around has higher potential

if you're lucky you can giga crank

[vapid delta]

Aye its the logical conclusion

And naturally I imagine if you were to look at top rogue logs you'd draw the conclusion that the gaaaambol approach is better

[worldly iron]

if you wanna parse, yes

[vapid delta]

If anyone has anything numerical pls get back to me <3

There is no parse

Only dps loss and dps gain

I need every inch I can get to beat my boy @distant sinew

[worldly iron]

dps gain will give you a better parse, and if you get lucky you can get a top parse

if you go the consistent route you might not do as much damage as someone gambling

[vapid delta]

I mean I understand basic logic hahaha - I'm just saying provided there's a decent sample there will be a best option out of the two

And I will default to that

All this gambling talk is making me nervous

[worldly iron]

if you want possible giga damage, go for the gamble. if you want consistent results, that won't be super high or below average, you don't gamble

tb -> vanish is better if you crit on everything

[vapid delta]

Loud and clear Vani. Thanks for your wisdom

I will add a GCD for praying

If anyone has some numbers for me @ me pls and good night gang

[worldly iron]

peace out

[strange python]

heya

trying to choose between a few pieces

I don't actually have a huge loadout but

I'm doing a tiny baby key, 6 KR

would you go triple SS or 1 SS 2x EB

seems like this is unfortunately my best combination

zzz

[bronze kelp]

you need at least 1 EB

[strange python]

do i

[bronze kelp]

good combinations are: 2eb 2ss 2ttk for more a mix of prio target dmg and aoe or 3ss 3eb for high aoe and overall dmg or 3 ttk 2eb 1ss for high prio target dmg

[strange python]

I don't get to choose

haha

[spice surge]

You dont need EB per se

[bronze kelp]

tc is not an optimal trait for m+ but not that bad

[strange python]

I don't have many choices

[spice surge]

But its the best aoe trait

But any mix of SS/EB and ttk is gonna be decent for m+

[strange python]

i see

[bronze kelp]

sure you dont need it, but without you are not a big help on trash for you group

[bronze kelp]

for a +6 its good enough 😉

[strange python]

:p

[bronze kelp]

also it always depends on the pulls your tank plays

if the tank pulls only small packs with 2-3 targets, you maybe really dont need an EB trait

[lean coral]

@strange python what addon is that?

[bronze kelp]

its a WA

[lean coral]

got a wago link to it? 😮

[bronze kelp]

basicly useful for streamers to show of their traits

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[coral tusk]

is sob that bad guys?for m+,ik on ST is not good

[lean coral]

arent those wa's for skills

[bronze kelp]

SoB is not that bad, but there are better options on m+

[coral tusk]

yep,but i got chest with np/ttk and sob

[bronze kelp]

you would always prefer ss, eb, ttk, or some of the sec stat procs

[coral tusk]

i guess it's bad ,but not terrible

[bronze kelp]

what is the neutral trait ?

in 2nd ring

[coral tusk]

azerite thingy on ground

hate this talent in m+,especcially on souls

[bronze kelp]

whats the items name

sorry i dont know every piece ^^

[coral tusk]

venture co

[bronze kelp]

hm...

sure not the best piece to get, but on what ilvl and what is you alternative ?

[coral tusk]

415 and no alternative pretty much,i have some 385,but i'm pretty sure 30 ilvls is better ,i didn't play rogue since start of uldir

mb i will get some 400 in our alt raid and we can talk about alternatives ))

[bronze kelp]

yep 30 ilvl should be better

but guess you are fine with sob for the start

[coral tusk]

ye,but my head has sob also,i have 2 sob 1 ss 1 eb 1 ttk 😄 pretty trash

[bronze kelp]

hm... get some more piece

got bod normal/ hc for better pieces

to many suboptimal traits result in crappy dmg. at some point its better to go on lower ilvl piece with good traits, and youll gain more

[coral tusk]

ye,i need 400 pieces with good traits ,i have 5 coins for that

[winged remnant]

One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Exsanguinate

Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Mutilate
Rupture
Exsanguinate when talented
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice

is this correct for m+ bosses?

i feel like my ST damage falls to WAY too low numbers during a m+ boss on tyrannical teeming where i still need to take exsanguinate tempest, for aoe and st nuking

the opener feels kind of ok and then i fall off really hard

(that opener is taken from the guide)

[real bay]

not many ppl use exsang tbh

[strange python]

this is a pretty early wipe for mythic stormwall but can someone review the timeline and lmk if everything is okay? forget about the one kidney shot my finger slipped and also forgot to garrote a second time on my opener https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/kf3Pt8pnm9K6V7RH/31-Mythic+Stormwall+Blockade+-+Wipe+31+(3:56)/Forbiddenx/timeline we have been getting it to 40% jsut wanna make sure everything is going good since I am still new to rogue

[winged remnant]

all the top assassinations i looked at that do m+ use exsang? @real bay

either way for that situation would that be correct?

[bronze kelp]

sure why not

[past spruce]

Exsang its a no no

Stop using it

[bronze kelp]

with 3 ss you can still use it

but in most cases tb will sim better

[bleak spoke]

you use exsang and tb for different situations

and different burst profiles on ST

[empty mesa]

oi. how good is fathoms for us? not really been albe to find it on bloodtalons or ravenhold.

[worldly iron]

it was good in s1, but it's only 355 so it's super bad now

can't compete with most (if not basically all) 400 trinkets

[empty mesa]

i just rerolled to rogue, so im guessing its a decent trinket until i get a decent ilvl trinket then

[worldly iron]

if you don't have any good trinkets at the moment, sure

you can always sim whatever new trinkets you get to get a good idea of how good or bad it is

[empty mesa]

ye. im just hoping for the shrine trinket to drop. gale whatever its called

[worldly iron]

I prefer dice+plumage over gcb, it's too limiting for my taste

optimal usage of gcb is sometimes hard to achieve

[bleak spoke]

that being said any combination of dice spyglass plumage and galecallers (other than double on use) is probably good

[strange python]

I have spyglass /Dice for m+. Want Vigor tho👌

[bleak spoke]

i got a 405 vigor today 8D

gonna try it instead of spyglass and then instead of dice i think

hard to put the dice away cuz 415 socketo but ugh

no crit is a disease

[strange python]

I have 415 non socket Dice and 410 socket spyglass. So a Vigor would be nice:)

[solar rose]

Exsang isn't a "nono" in M+. It still has a lot of uses, it's particularly better if you aren't running TTK traits and running more of SS/EB trait setup.

[bleak spoke]

heh other way around for me

@solar rose are you playing more ss/eb builds this week for teeming?

[solar rose]

I play SS/EB builds usually every week. You still do good boss damage even if you're running 3 echoing. You still get 2 sets of cooldowns on Tyrannical bosses.