so if u had 3x DD would u keep using mut to generate CP til 5 targets?
#assassination
alpine pilot
civic palm
No you want the CP as well for Ruptures, even if you were going to just spam MUT.
alpine pilot
thanks!
lost mist
what do u think about "Mut-Rupture-Mut" instead of "Garrote-Mut-Rupture" with MA talent
?
"mut-mut-rupt" if 2-3 cp on 1st mut
prisma crescent
@lost mist For opener?
Cuz if you open like that you're immediately energy starved at the beginning of the fight
lost mist
@prisma crescent i tried, and i didnt get out of energy, nice DD ticks
and that
mut-rupt-mut-garrote-vendetta-tb/envenom-mut/tb-vanish-envenom-mut-envenom
or something like that
civic palm
Mostly because it doesn't matter and the opener is there to set you up for later, and if you have 3xDD you wanna be smashing more Mutilates in MA than anything else.
desert vault
so just swapped to horde, guessing you troll racial on pull then on cd basically?
civic palm
Is it 3min or 2min?
desert vault
3m, i just put it together with vendetta in a marco, good enough
civic palm
Yeah that's fine.
strange python
question; in which scenario (m+) do yall run hb over pb?
current azerites are 3eb/2ss/1ttk
supple compass
crisp dove
Is the opener for MA on the site the right opener?
civic palm
yes
crisp dove
And then it's just normal rotation until vanish and vendetta are up
civic palm
ye
red plaza
Any ideal rotation going into 2nd vendetta/vanish with MA with all bleeds up? I usually just do the opener. Vendetta+ trinket > vanish > toxic blade > mut > envenom
dark crag
You could also do vend tb vanish env mut env
Or vend tb vanish mut env mut with 3dd
Prio running env buff required
finite yarrow
is patchwork sim a between 3x DD and 3x SS a good comparison?
wild stone
Hi guys, switching to Master Assassin from Outlaw for Mythic Mekkatorque. I see the opener on Ravenholdt, but whats the normal rotation? Do I use Vanish, Vendetta, TB on CD or do I hold any combination of these? With 2 DD/2 Scent/1 Twist, do I do anything special for Toxic Blade?
echo cargo
cobalt gyro
same
rose oyster
Here I thought I was the only one
Been hella lucky this tier in regards to the rest of my gear though
rustic ether
6/9 mythic ❤
strange python
oof, so exsang sims higher now, time to learn how to play it
rose oyster
That in regards to raid gear or m+? @strange python
rose oyster
Yeah I was about to say if its raid I wouldn't bother learning the change atm. I play outlaw in m+ myself
strange python
i cant stand outlaw, and sin puts out some good numbers in m+ so im staying atm
cobalt gyro
opulence is so cheese if you get lots of swaps lmao
civic palm
,<
edgy pawn
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cobalt gyro
@civic palm i basically had full time dots on 2 targets
civic palm
ST
visual quartz
ive sometimes taken 1 EB if the group is low on aoe, but usually never needed
civic palm
FoK, rupture 2-3 adds, FoK and ENV
Try and proc however many poison bombs you can, hope your group keeps them stacked
paper heron
Do you env opulence or try to kill adds
civic palm
Opulence focus.
paper heron
Hmm ok I guess that’s what I’ve been doing
I guess I just wanted you to tell me to put on 3x eb spec exsang and go wild 😦
covert epoch
any tips or tricks or even a good rogue vid for M Jania?
civic palm
Opulence isn't counted for allstar points anyway, so w/e
midnight yarrow
Hey, is this the appropriate place to seek help analyzing logs? I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong on mythic BOD
haughty mulch
How does assassination feel about mastery?
bleak spoke
definitely not progging with an EB right now cuz i can't afford to change back to DD on my ceph jacket 
D:
shy dust
Got a 96% parse on my guilds second kill of M JFM!
supple hearth
@midnight yarrow yeh just post and ask. If someone doesn't answer you might try posting at a different time
haughty mulch
Is the rotation change for shrouded suffocation garrote
stable pine
limber canyon
I'm still having trouble deciding between keeping my main as a Sin Rogue or going back to my warlock. Make me love rogue again, what are some perks you guys love about your class
rustic ether
war mode being on 100% of the time
being able to 1v1 literally every spec easily
being able to crush in m+ AND raid
the amount of versatile builds rogues have
we can do STUPID AOE with sin builds or outlaw builds
and we can do fucking BANANAS ST dmg with sin builds
and we even have a monkey spec that we can make fun called sub!
limber canyon
lolll
So many good points, loving it Ive
Just did a Mythic Nighthold xmog run got 0 pieces fml
Trying to find a nice rogue xmog for void elf female
sick of slutmogs
rustic ether
oh and another thing! our dicsord is prolly the best dicsord community ive ever played in
most people are always learning,teaching, testing. ive only met maybe two people that were just DIEHARD for a certain build and got toxicly stubbonr about it
limber canyon
awesome!
ive always wanted to be apart of a community like this because rogue has always been my main and i can't seem to get into caster or ranged dps but i've always had terrible trouble with the class itself and felt like ive been under-performing with my guild for long time. I'm hoping to tweak out my weak spots and hopefully overall understand the class as best as possible
rustic ether
yeah if you have any questions, it will probably get answered quickly, so long as its not too late
one of my favorite aspects of this community is that many of the top players are in this community and talk and help out like @rose perch ❤
limber canyon
Wow that's awesome to hear ^^ Thanks for the advice and warm welcome
white basalt
hi
sorry for the laziness, but i am in the zone right and trying to get some good logs. any tips on optimizing my opulence dps?
rustic ether
for opulence try to save energy for add phases
so you can pump out fok env spam
maybe even set up a tb window too
white basalt
ah damn i prob should switch my traits to echoing blades or w/e if i really want o pad
white basalt
im fully confident with the miniboss phase dps wise
just trying to figure out how to make the most of my single target build during the last phase regarding adds and stuff
so when adds come, fok till 4 or 5 cp and just envenom?
feels like it isnt worth it to bleed the adds at all
rose perch
@rustic ether ❤
bleak spoke
@white basalt worth rupturing dying ones for e
after tb window
when you see spirits of gold cast refresh rupture and garrote on boss
and then you TB as the cast finishes so immediately as it casts you can go fok env
the "trick" is to get 4 envenoms in your tb window
you want to start fok on the spawn because it'll gigastack opal
cobalt gyro
i got a 94 on opu without doing any big boi pad
dapper moat
do u guys use overwhelming power on mythic+ setup, even though on big cleave u get your energy back from bleeds?
tacit hatch
Should I run 2x nothing personal and 1x treacherous, or 3x np for raid?
rustic ether
id use 3NP if youre progging
civic palm
3NP is dope dope dope and you don't deal with TC badness.
rustic ether
if theres adds id prolly go TC. that would edge it prolly
YA BOI HIT 2.1K WE COMIN UP
tacit hatch
grats 😃
umbral fiber
Is there actually a way to get 3x DD and 3x NP ? Im currently running 3 DD and 2 NP
tacit hatch
Yes there is
umbral fiber
I would miss out on a SS then, mh
umbral fiber
I got so used to SS rota, feels almost unplayable without
distant helm
If im not mistaken
umbral fiber
Oh yeah Mekka chest is what Im missing then
tacit hatch
Master assassin is not bad at all when you get used to it 😃
crisp shard
You probably want to run a TtK over 3x NP tho
vast forum
Only because of op on cephalohide
mint orchid
Guys does shadowmeld garrote work as nightelf? I play voidelf right now and since there are sales on race change I was wondering if it was worth it.
civic palm
Meld+Stealth works if you can get out of combat, does not work on bosses.
solid nova
You can meld - garrotte for empowered though, you just wont get subterfuge bonus.
mint orchid
so only the bonus from Shrouded Suffocation trait works?
civic palm
Yeah on bosses.
mint orchid
i see thank you
worldly iron
I've bought 4 random shoulders now, 3/4 have been Shoulders of the Sanguine Monstrosity 
lost horizon
@worldly iron same boat man... Cept only 2/3 that I've bought have been that shit
My other one is good ST at least, but I don't have any shoulders with SS
Feelsbadman
night vale
ive had like 5/6 azerite peices from the vendor now... got REALLY good ST shoulders and EB/SS Head and shoulders 😄
worldly iron
I got a ruinous bolt for my first random chest piece, too
vendor is rigged, can't get any assassination pieces 
lost horizon
My pieces are good for STso I can't really complain
If I can snag SS shoulders I'll be pretty much happy with that
I've never actually played w/spyglass
Just haven't run a lot of siege tbh
But I'd go with the sims
strange python
So many people forget about OP😭
heavy skiff
I have 1 of them
But i couldnt get the otherones yet
So im happy with np
Thats op
simple meteor
so its good now to have x3 np instead of only x1?
heavy skiff
Ye np damage is huge
simple meteor
i see ty
spice surge
More like 90% overall
mystic charm
I see, trying to decide if i should use cephaloide jacket or mekka jacket atm
spice surge
But realistically only p3 dmg is relevant and that's where most of the lost uptime is
Depends on how well you play it ofc
wild stone
Hi guys, switching to Master Assassin from Outlaw for Mythic Mekkatorque. I see the opener on Ravenholdt, but whats the normal rotation? Do I use Vanish, Vendetta, TB on CD or do I hold any combination of these? With 2 DD/2 Scent/1 Twist, do I do anything special for Toxic Blade?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qvS4nxGd2LnAsPzbRRJJpM
devout jolt
use on cooldown, they should line up again for the 3rd go I think?
try and replace the SoB gear too, you want Nothing Personal
lament dove
hm, now I'm wondering if I should buy a helm for m+ (got the same in 400) or fish for bis like Gorak Thul:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j3DyQd6uUCNZNP3Tv3yRwM
dawn root
Finally got 1 EB on a 415 piece. Is that sufficient for m+? I see most recommendations at running 2, but I could have 3x SS along with 1 EB, or should I really aim for at least 2?
vast forum
As many as you can
strange python
As many as you can for Overall. This week however.... If you play sin you should be the priodamage bitch of the group. Big mobs dying at the same time is more important this week compared to other weeks. :) just let the other two dps top overall and you deal with finishing everything at the same time.
In my opinion that is the best you can do foe keys as sin this week :)
dawn root
Good to know thanks. During tyrannical weeks on higher keys like 17+, do EB ever reach a point where they lose value since they dont help single target boss dps?
Whereas outlaw benefits from stacking DS and ace which helps with both?
misty shuttle
what is min vers for mythic raiding? as sin
solid nova
There isnt a minimum vers value.
misty shuttle
so having 100 total is fine?
or less
i dont ask to troll i ask because when i dip below 300 i find some times cast spells miss and i was wondering if there was a soft cap so i wont miss with cast spells
misty shuttle
so ur saying verse does not affect hit chance?
strange python
i think vers just gives you a small damage done increase and a damage taken reduction, thats all that stat does
if you hover over the stat in your character pane in game you will see the description
afaik there is no stat for hit rating any more
solid nova
^
strange python
but if you should always make sure you stand behind the target as well
unless its a dragon 😃
misty shuttle
lol ok ok so its all in my head thanks for the help guys. honestly when i dip below 350 vers i miss occasionaly casting rupture and i have to cast it again for it to apply. i was just asking in general but no sim will ever say i need vers its lowest stat always. i want to have very little of it but i feel none is a mistake. perhaps ill ask when someone else is on
lethal heart
you just get parries
devout jolt
How do sims work with traits like Unstable Catalyst? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=281514/unstable-catalyst?ilvl=415
lethal heart
or hit through immunity of a boss
solid nova
Your vers rating and hitting/missing abilities are not related
misty shuttle
ty thats what i wanted to hear
lethal heart
@devout jolt you have 100% uptime of that when it procs in sim
in reality it might be way worse
because movement is inevitable
devout jolt
ahhh thanks, yeah its simming higher for me but only just above a TtK trait
think ill go ttk
lethal heart
ye if it sims same/slighlty higher
might be good choice to pick some consistant uprade
over movement dependant one
devout jolt
amount of times it procs on jaina then fire lands there...
devout jolt
aye, its nice of Op though, so will keep it in the bag
strange python
here the trinket isnt the best for single target
@mild lodge but sim your trinkets to be sure which one is better for you
hardy mural
lament dove
herodamage has it
strange python
@mild lodge i use paku, and i dont like using 2 passive trinkets, i use dice and plume
royal lantern
galecallers is not that good in reality tbh
strange python
galecaller is overrated
royal lantern
the difference bettwen plumage and GCB is not that big, and gcb can and will get fucked cus of movment when you cant use it on cd
plumage doesnt have that problem
marble hemlock
😮
royal lantern
no avoidance
marble hemlock
complained on discord about how ill get mad if its another shitty 410 piece
royal lantern
go away with that low quality crap, and get your 40vendor gold
marble hemlock
open chest, get this
lament dove
it's hard to get gold these days anyway
small island
For the ppl using 3DD/3NP, is that simming the best for you? i get less dps if i use 3dd 3np instead of 3dd 1tc 1np 1blight, perhaps its because of me having less mastery than u guys?
marble hemlock
BBI is insanely good
so its no surprise it outsims most of the other traits, even dd/np
blightborne infusion
rose perch
yeah I usually see DD > 1st NP > Blightborne > future NPs = TC when I sim for myself
sullen pagoda
strange python
can someone explain how i deal with aoe packs like in rasta and opulance ? for rasta as opener do i just garrote all pick my main target cds - TB - fok my way for cps for enevom and vanish and re garrote all and rupture them and just fok spam & enevom ?
spice surge
If you have multiple dd traits (which you should for raid) you don't fok unless it's 5+ targets
If your guild is having trouble killing the big guy before second jump on rasta just go full st on him, otherwise rupture all and keep poisons up
For opu you just fok and envenom
strange python
ic, i do wanna hold my cds for the first adds face right ?
spice surge
If it makes you miss a cast no, otherwise yes
strange python
ic cheers m8
midnight yarrow
Hey guys, these are logs from last night https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MPYk6ALv2R7HFacw/
Specifically on Grong and Champs - as assassination - what am I doing wrong... I cannot seem to get a good parse. Any tips/corrections would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
plain thistle
champion is pure padding, dont worry about it
midnight yarrow
as in dot the adds?
vestal wren
no one cares about champions, the fight is a joke on every difficultly
iirc best way to parse it to tank adds close to boss and burn the boss down in ~1min
hollow junco
on champs you're just not going to beat warlocks and basically any other class that can burst in that situation better than you can. fight duration is too short, you won't get a vendetta refresh.
mystic charm
wonder how many TTK traits would be ideal this week
lament dove
!affix
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Affixes: Fortified - Bolstering - Skittish - Reaping
marble hemlock
all the TTK @mystic charm
TTK is love, TTK is life
even filthy outlaw mongrels like @ruby idol have seen the light
and accepted TTK into their hearts and souls
❤
the actual answer woudl be "how many can you have while running atleast 1SS and 1EB"
but bolstering is prime-territory for TTK
wary ice
hasnt there been sims that showed ttk isnt as good at prio damage?
royal lantern
wath else do you want too take then?
DD sucks for dungeons, NP is not good too and has a 2min cd
TTK is usable for bossfights and trashpacks
marble hemlock
koji did some sims that apparently showed that ttk wasnt as good at prio-damaging, which i have yet to see
he was comparing it to scent though, and on fairly small pulls
marble hemlock
yeah, koji did some sims to see how scent would fare vs ttk
but theres been some weird stuff going on, is all i can say
wary ice
would scent really lose value in larger pulls?
right cause u stop spreading ruptures
ignore me
marble hemlock
claims like "4scent already makes envenom hit harder than with a ttk" which is frankly not true at all
spice surge
But ttk isnt overpowered and the end-all strongest trait
Its just a decently strong trait at both st and aoe
marble hemlock
ye
basically, its the best we have
to give us more control over our damage at any given time, which is very valuable in m+
its better in situations where you chainpull a lot and wont be able to get good value out of SS
wary ice
Side question: for BfD raid; given the choice between MA 3dd 3np and Sub 2dd 1ss 3np; is it preference on playstyle or is one better than the other. Obviously MA sims higher for me in patchwork, but a lot of ppl have told me sub ss is the way to go fo bfd
marble hemlock
and it certainly allows for better control of mob-health
depends on boss and raid
theres quite a few bosses where you can get multiple garrotes off on multiple targets
i.e. grong you can garrote boss and both adds
wary ice
We're currently on blockade, and i swapped from MA to the SS; it feels bad on that fight
marble hemlock
so subterfuge has decent value even with 0 SS, and it might put SS ahead of a 2nd or 3rd NP in terms of overall damage. whether that is actually helping your raid progress is a different question entirely
since most fights, at least for melee, are pretty much pure singletarget
wary ice
makes sense
marble hemlock
well, you can double garrote first phase when you hold vanish until the mobs hit 50%
wary ice
So the decision is purely how many targets do i expect to have during my vanish windows?
marble hemlock
where you vanish first boss, 2nd one comes, garrote 2nd one. since melee usually start on the boat with katherine, that means you get some more damage on katherine when its on the other side
and you can use vanish quite efficiently in p2 for adds+boss
kinda-sorta, ye
wary ice
In our prog so far, i start on bro-y Joey, and our range (we have 2 melee) murder the adds before they get to us
marble hemlock
i played it on jaina for example cause it allows me to vanish garrote both the wall and jaina if timed correctly, and gives me a second vanish at the end of the fight
wary ice
we're generally dying to not soaking shit which is triggering
marble hemlock
so its probably not a concern then
id say just play whatever does the most ST damage then
wary ice
Got it; thanks!
marble hemlock
i personally dont like the inconsistency that MA gives your opener
and if you dont crit at all, despite having ~75% crit with MA
well, its just a dead talent, which sucks for progression imo
wary ice
which is a super loid thing to say, i know
night vale
Yeah im getting ready for my raid tonight and im debating whether or not to drop my SS and go master assassin...
It sims 5% higher for me...
but i reckon SS would be better on a lot of the earlier fights.
Literally only playing for logs tonight on mythic farm
marble hemlock
and i just didnt wanna wipe on jaina at 5.6% after getting double noncrit or some shit like that
didnt stop us from getting a 150k wipe and miss hall of fame tho 😦
marble hemlock
i think subter+ss for farm to parse is actually kinda problematic
since im assuming that everyone else does the same
so adds that used to last an entire garrote in progression
now die in like 10sec cause everyone pads the shit out of them
plain thistle
*add spawns... 3s later you see 3 chaos bolts flying towards it
wary ice
"but i was going to choke it with my wires :'^("
lament dove
I just don't like to change around between the 2 talents since I use Subt in m+, and if I change to MA in raids, I always forget and fuck up the opener anyway
night vale
@marble hemlock yeah true, however, i should get full value out of my garottes on the first 3 bosses, if our previous raids are anything to go offf... and there the logs i want to improve.
Just hard to sim for it, was thinking of going 3xSS but not sure its worth
strange python
hey guys! Which is the best traits combination for mythic + ?
brisk forge
Well all come downs to how the farm is going, padding will make other ppl to do your job
potent oracle
azerokk trinket is good ?
scenic birch
Kimbul or Paku buff?
mint peak
Last night I tried the opener where you Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate as MA build and the amount of times I got 2 CP Mutilates is tilting. Never again.
true gyro
got the same question as hannibal, got 410 azerokk with socket vs vigor 400 with socket
azerokk simmin slightly higher but ppl here saying it aint that good
potent oracle
guys gorak thul shoulders are our single target bis ?
true gyro
what you mean with "whatever"? :p
golden relic
Vigor better for m+ , depends what you are talking about where to use it
topaz crow
so glad i rolled them from a random 415 last week yeet!
true gyro
i guess mostly for raids dog, i dont push keys or anything, usually do 1-3 m+ per week
bleak spoke
By whatever I mean it’s usable but it’s nothing special
golden relic
does it rly sim the same as a vigor 400 with a socket, didnt think it was on that lvl
golden relic
oh i didnt read it had a socket.
true gyro
ye
golden relic
well ye makes sense
bleak spoke
You look mastery starved
Try sims with masterful nav and mastery gems
If you haven’t
I think as I passed 410 mastery started dunking on crit
spare shore
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true gyro
@bleak spoke simming tells me to keep the same gems/enchants as they are
so just haste gems & quick nav
lone junco
@idle vigil MA. 3EB. Would dry up energy really quickly without the 3garrotes. and you would have to follow as stealth waiting for pull to stack. HB would hit hard. Might as well be outlaw for that kind of cleave.
bleak spoke
Fair
valid spoke
What are your thought about Treacherous Covenant Vs. Nothing Personal?
topaz crow
im with noobe i prefer NP more often then not but if we need more Aoe or something i'll use trech but if your in a heavy cleave group and its like tyranical bring the boss damage
hollow stone
He's what we call a unicorn 🦄
marble hemlock
nah
assa is pretty stable
outlaw gets QoL change
or got it already, not sure
gets more max energy during AR
but who cares about that trash-spec anyway
assa is still as solid as ever
bronze kelp
maybe after MDI there will be changes to some specs
marble hemlock
they might touch EB, but ill doubt it
ill probably be the only one playing assa at MDI
royal lantern
i hoenstly think they gonna nerf outlaw a bit, and probably EB too
bronze kelp
i dont think they touch sin
marble hemlock
wits might be looked at, but you cant nerf wits without dumpstering outlaw entirely
bronze kelp
guess more they adjust outlaw
royal lantern
eh, not true, outlaw is good
marble hemlock
without wits, outlaw is garbage
royal lantern
wits pushes it a bit into the ''too good''direction
royal lantern
and yeha, show those yahtzee pirates that real rogues use daggers ;P
bronze kelp
dont know if m+ logs are a good thing to judge over classes in m+, but the class diversity in those logs is huge, and outlaw outshines alle others
marble hemlock
few people at the top-end actually log m+ tho
bronze kelp
and i like orange numbers 😉
royal lantern
you think many people will use unholy for the MDI?
marble hemlock
well, most groups i know have set one up
royal lantern
i mean, that 1 unholy trait has insane value when you do it right
stuck knoll
I thought dad was talking about running sin for a few dungeons
marble hemlock
hes outlaw tho
most of the times anyway
but he ran assa in ML yday
and blasted
think he might come around on the 3TTK dream 😄
bronze kelp
tried to reach that dream today with a random 415 piece
got ss/eb FH shoulders again
idle vigil
What Traits are u running this week seli? On like AD
royal lantern
''laughs in 3xttk 2xEB 1xSS''
hallow coyote
!azerite
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royal lantern
waths your teamcomp if i may ask?
marble hemlock
mdi?
royal lantern
ye
marble hemlock
dk/protwarr, assa, outlaw, monk/elesham, rdruid/rsham
seb and me gonna live the double rogue dream
royal lantern
is there a reason why rshaman?
marble hemlock
boss-DPS
marble hemlock
ye
if you dont have to heal much
rsham can sustain 25k on singletarget
played around with traits quite a bit
this seems to be
the best one so far
royal lantern
ye, i thought about the healing first, and rshaman is not that good for healing alone i gues
royal lantern
long cast times and no real extrenals, but the dmg is great yeha
marble hemlock
and potentially necrotic
protwarrior survivability is so broken that you dont really need externals
and the utility on rsham is great
marble hemlock
interrupt, purge, windrush, ankhtotem, spiritlink
spice surge
Cant get leech on tourney
marble hemlock
can get leech enchant
spice surge
Except for the azerite trait/enchant
marble hemlock
and leech trinkets
but yeah, its very limited
i love the 2BBI setup tho
esp as nelf
most fights arent longer than ~1m20sec or something
so its perfect lineup for 2nd exsanguinate with galecallers, 2nd pot and another SS setup through meld or vanish
hitting ~80% crit with BBI proc
hardy mulch
in m+ do you use cb on st if skilled?
royal lantern
no
royal lantern
dont use CT on single target
golden relic
double blightbourne
hardy mulch
kk
golden relic
man thats some pog shit @marble hemlock
royal lantern
huge crit buff
marble hemlock
metric fuckton of crit
spice surge
Around 19% crit when it proccs
marble hemlock
felt good
when seb did 200k more than me on boss
and i asked "you had good procs?" "ye, had 5buff"
royal lantern
just the right amount of crit too get 1 cp with FoK on 14 enemys ;P
marble hemlock
havent really been streaming at all last week 😦
gonna start it up in a bit and stream raid tho
mostly playing poe
royal lantern
gave up on poe this league
royal lantern
too many stupid stuff from ggg that they refuse too fix :/
but well, thats offtopic
marble hemlock
mods are asleep, we can do whatever we want
solid nova
XD Sleeping mods
marble hemlock
youre not a mod anymore
spice surge
Richard isnta mod anymore though
marble hemlock
ye
solid nova
Multi tasker
marble hemlock
he has no power here
solid nova
It wasnt a warning for a photo
You decided to divulge into your individual PC specs and cable management
Last time i checked thats not remotely close to assassination related.
Point still stands.
marble hemlock
sounds very authoritarian to me
but in any case, tried some 3scent 3eb setup on mdi aswell
was kinda disappointed
was out-dpsing outlaw on aoe tho, but the ST is yikes
wary ice
yeah I'd imagine tbh
marble hemlock
was a monkaS build tho
wary ice
Still Subt?
wary ice
CT>HB???
marble hemlock
HB sucks ass
wary ice
thats a half asssed meme seli
wary ice
Big fan of CT'
royal lantern
where is blindside ffs
wary ice
currently thik PB is too good
marble hemlock
i can see that build getting some validation if you pull trash with boss tho
getting 3-4ruptures out while focusing boss
wary ice
every time i pick Ct im trying really hard to justify not swapping to outlaw
marble hemlock
might be pretty damn good damage
thats what i always say aswell, if you go full pepega aoe as assa, might aswell play outlaw
esp since outlaw can play BiS traits and have 3x overwhelming power on tournament realms
royal lantern
everytime i use RtB as outlaw i regret using gold too change azerite traits
marble hemlock
so their singletarget is insane
royal lantern
such a unfun mechanic/skill
wary ice
I like rtb 🤷
marble hemlock
get out
royal lantern
its interesting in theory
wary ice
I'd like it to adjust the rotation in a more meaningful way sometimes
royal lantern
different buffs that change how you play? sounds cool af
royal lantern
but in reality you just roll until you get the right buff/2buffs and nothing changes in your rotation anyway
wary ice
I actually really enjoy Assassination AoE w/CT
I just dont think it meshes well with current meta
reaps die relatively fast
wary ice
yeah...
plus outlaw can do the subtlety thing
where they turn all that AoE into ST damage
with wits
marble hemlock
rtb is just like
old warrior/dk stances
but worse
theoretically they were somewhat supposed to give you control over any given situation by providing a different set of utility/focusing on different parts of your damage-distribution
imagine outlaw being able to choose any given rtb buff through a stance
and then rolling for 1 additional buff
royal lantern
THAT would actually be cool
marble hemlock
and balancing the numbers around it
wary ice
so outlaw just has +30% crit?
wary ice
👀
royal lantern
ofc they would need too adjust the numbers
marble hemlock
want AR ready for next pull? swap to TB
want some sustain?
go GM
but that would actually be fun
wary ice
the real problem with rolls imo is that S&C and BT are garbage
marble hemlock
no matter what you do
sonic bridge
meanwhile subtlety 
wary ice
they do literally what the better buffs do but less
royal lantern
wath is ''sublety''?
marble hemlock
its a nightmare to balance, and thats why i never understood why they decided to make it a 6buff or 5buff option
esp now that PS/BTE cleave through BF
sonic bridge
@royal lantern ancient and forgotten techniques
marble hemlock
the design goal for rtb isnt to balance it perfectly, but to try to make the difference between best and worst buff not too big
they kinda succeeded with that at least
crit is just too good on aoe, and its really just the case because of wits
marble hemlock
ditch rtb, bring back snd, and add something else to the rotation
just bring back
mop/wod combat
and id switch in a heartbeat
royal lantern
i still think that this is the best thing they did in the howl game
make a talent so bad
royal lantern
you get more dps by not taking a talent at all at that tier
marble hemlock
well
the current snd situation
reminds me of the first iteration of shadowblades
that also used to be a dps loss
cause your melees dealt shadowdamage while it was up, which were then reduced due to the inherent shadowresistance bosses had 😃
was a good meme
giving feedback for months on how its a dps loss to spec into it
goes live
blizzard: "wait, this is a dps loss"
royal lantern
wrong use of memes pal
marble hemlock
we need more fresh memes tbh
last good one was
FoK in legion
and the +1 energy buff to the setbonus
which turned out to be really great
but we all made fun of it
😦
strange python
FINALLY. Good loot from the Chest! 😄 I joined the club boiiis! 27k 😄
potent oracle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a5SVnnfFvRo7wyPfrUeXoQ guys what do you think about my gear ? should i change something ? , i feel like i sim so low dps for my gear
my treits are ok ?
or maybe trinket ?
marble hemlock
looks fine to me
wary ice
Didnt legion have the throw dagger meme?
strange python
Your sim looks fine, you dont have shitloads of sockets like the rest in here
marble hemlock
so if you get to replace that somehow, youre good to go
wary ice
where the deadly poison damage out did mutliates with throw dagger
marble hemlock
ye
wary ice
that was a good meme tbh
marble hemlock
replace the haste/vers ring and azerokk, and youre easily hitting 25k+
spice surge
I mean, both of his rings are giga shit, since rings scale so poorly with ilvl you generally just want ones with sockets
marble hemlock
most ilvl 400 or even 385 rings with good stats and a socket will out-perform your current rings
potent oracle
the mekatorke trinket better than motherlode ?
i have one 405
motherlode sims better
on all sims
hollow stone
If equal ilvl, sockets, blah blah. Then yes
potent oracle
but its a shit
hollow stone
But if not.... sim
strange python
I know to sim, but I heard the general rule is
400 Socket = 425 NonSocket
potent oracle
i need to farm freehold
hollow stone
That is a terrible general rule. Just sim it
solid nova
@strange python Not sure where you heard that but thats definitely not the case
marble hemlock
grind freehold or KR
strange python
RIP, okey well someone told me. Sorry then! 😦
marble hemlock
same
solid nova
Not the haste cap please
marble hemlock
goes for both of you please
solid nova
My brain cant handle.
spice surge
Well, sockets on rings are typically worth between 15-25 ilvl, so your not entirely wrong, but
hollow stone
It's spoooopy
hollow stone
🎩 <- the haste cap
marble hemlock
and yes, spanish/french item names are always weird to me
since they usually consist of like 4+ words
hollow stone
Just wait til that day i finally change my name in this disc. End of days. End of days.
Can one of you jaina killers dm me with your timings for vend? Just started first real night of prog last night
marble hemlock
Depends on your transition timings
hollow stone
Was saving 2nd til after ring. But idk
Pushing just before 3rd ring goes out so about 2:50ish for trans
marble hemlock
Usually its pull, on CD, on CD (should be ~as you kill 2nd barrel) hold for p3
hollow stone
Do you pop on wall?
marble hemlock
no
spice surge
nO
marble hemlock
i pop galecallers+TB on wall
marble hemlock
vanish as she hits hp-threshold, garrote her (rupture before as well), garrote wall, rupture and then blast
ideally you get full pandemic rupture+garrote on jaina, and also get subter garrote on wall (if youre playing subter)
for max dps to boss sub 30%
hollow stone
And then after wall would save and pop on jaina? This is still at least a few days away but never hurts to think ahead
spice surge
Yeah pop it on jaina with pot and everything
hollow stone
And yea. That was my other q. Was seeing subt without ss. Not sure if they were NE or what. Is it because you want more consistent dmg in that final burn and dont wanna get frick'd by crap MA rng?
spice surge
Seli just havent given in to the power of MA yet
marble hemlock
thats how i played it anway, yes
spice surge
He will, in time
marble hemlock
i dont like MA on jaina
after wiping at 150k on her, i dont wanna know how i wouldve felt if i ran MA during that try and didnt get the crits i wanted
hollow stone
Yea..... idk if i can do that. I like to gamble 😬. Ill give it a shot tho
Thx my dudes
marble hemlock
in any case, what eleem said certainly holds true. dps isnt an issue until wall/nathanos/p3
you will only get 1 vendetta during that stage
hollow stone
Yea. So its still okay to use and itll be up for the actual race part, thats the big thing
marble hemlock
galecallers is actually pretty nice since you have dots on wall+jaina running, and you get to use it twice. once for wall, once for your vendetta in p3
spice surge
Yeah galecallers sounds nice for that
marble hemlock
get your gutripper ready too
OP is a bit worse on jaina due to the constant ticking damage in p2/p3, making you drop stacks much faster
hollow stone
Yea. So far, we havent even kicked jaina in p2 so theres still work to do. But i like gcb, seems like the movement on the fight is relatively predictable
spice surge
Its a lot worse tbf, but its still about as good as the other good traits in that row
hollow stone
Oh yea. My gut is ready
spice surge
Except gutripper ofc, which is insane
marble hemlock
and in all honesty
jaina isnt about dps
at this point, youre gonna make the dps check as long as no one dies
spice surge
Nope, but dps helps bruteforce things
hollow stone
Yea. We overgear the shit out of it at this point. Dps def wont be the issue
spice surge
On our kill one of our shamans didnt put up his ankhtotem and we were out of rezzes
hollow stone
Esp after that last nerf
spice surge
So the first tank got blocked right as we killed it
marble hemlock
idk, our 150k wipe was without any CRs in last phase
and just 1 ankhtotem
its really just "dont die, dont make things worse for the rest of the raid"
so if ranged need help on ballista
just do it
dont
marble hemlock
(no its not)
bleak spoke
(wait really it's not?)
marble hemlock
(no)
solid nova
Dinner reservations belong in off topic
bleak spoke
okay
solid nova
Gl on your date
marble hemlock
i mean, my knowledge on that may be outdated
but even when attacking from behind, you have a minor partial-block chance afaik
so youd need a bit more crit than 100% to push that off the attack table
but im not sure
i recall them changing legendary shoulders in legion because originally it set your crit to 100%, and that meant that you would still get noncrits, so they made it give +100% crit instead
hollow stone
Is crit DR still a thing? I know, im dating myself here..
marble hemlock
but i honestly just havent kept up with the changes to attack tables and stuff ever since they removed glancings/crit suppression
nah, crit doesnt DR
avoidance still might, but last time i had to worry about that was in wotlk, so no clue actually 😄
spice surge
All teritiary stats cap at 20% dont they? As in leech/speed/avoidance?
marble hemlock
leech doesnt
avoidance hardcaps at 20%
speed DRs at ~15%
and basically plateaus at ~23%
spice surge
Well, guess consistency is hard
marble hemlock
yup
spice surge
As per usual
marble hemlock
hopefully they remove leech entirely with next expac
hollow stone
Mhmmmmm
marble hemlock
was hoping they'd do it for bfa already
hollow stone
I think prot warrs are making a strong arg to just scrap leech
But who knows... blizzard things
marble hemlock
protwarr isnt the issue
DPS DH is
and having a tertiary stat as your highest throughput stat as a healer is just wrong
hollow stone
Ehhh. When my prot warr doesnt need heals during reaping because of leech im a lil 🤔
marble hemlock
no one needs healing
reaping barely does any damage, its only the debuff
weve done UR21 reaping with no tank and me tanking an entire wave for like 2minutes
its just the debuff
from risen souls
hollow stone
Ill take your word for it. Done much more than i have
marble hemlock
its kinda sad how little damage reaping does
hollow stone
And the grave bolts usually arent controlled well (at least for us)
marble hemlock
but i guess it was necessary to not have tanks get swarmed by mobs that actually hurt with their melee attacks
bleak spoke
spice surge
The bolts are somewhat dangerous, but there arent many reapings with lots of casters
wary ice
@marble hemlock that photo reminded me; do you suggest lots of ttk every week or just cause of bolstering?
wary ice
so like 3 ttk, 2 ss, 1 eb?
bleak spoke
chain pulls make ss feel sooooo shit 😦
marble hemlock
so do bigpulls
yay, you just garroted 3mobs in a 15mob pull
that certainly helped kill them evenly 😃
wary ice
I've been running assassination on tyr KR and stuff, but been using my raid set
bleak spoke
lol yeah those three gonna get blasted
marble hemlock
SS is big value in PUGs
where tanks dont pull big, and give the healer room to drink every couple of pulls
for higher keys i dont like it very much
i prefer the tank chainpulling at his leisure without me having to bitch about it
wary ice
Was so fucking slow :^(
bleak spoke
that sounds depleted
wary ice
we missed it by ~2 mins i think
marble hemlock
i hate ML pugs
cause most pugs still dont deathskip
but do masterminds and robots
which is big yikes
wary ice
we did masterminds, no robots
bleak spoke
masterminds are aids
marble hemlock
mastermind+rat pull on bolstering sounds yummy
marble hemlock
highkey-strat is much better
just get 75% before first boss, kill first boss, go back, get 80%, die to reaping, spawn at 1st boss, skip 80% reaping
bleak spoke
i wonder though if you can make some shrine kinda shit happening
marble hemlock
and then sttealth/deathskip, skip last reaping while doing deathskip for last boss
bleak spoke
where you kill rats to trigger last reap
wary ice
WHOA
bleak spoke
oh
wary ice
thats so big fucking brained
marble hemlock
can set it up that you need 1count after 3rd boss
bleak spoke
that actually sounds less dangerous than what i just said
marble hemlock
so while you deathskip, you just kill a bomb
trigger reaping and skip it immediately
wary ice
So you clear to 75~ kill first, go back for 80%, do you clear any of the miners?
marble hemlock
can also just do it after last boss, depends on comp
yeah
you do the first 5packs
which is like 18%
bleak spoke
and how i haven't met a single tank who hasnt' just exploded
marble hemlock
dying to 80% reaping after first boss to then skip it was really cool
marble hemlock
after or before, doesnt matter
the 80% reaping comes too
but theyre so far away
that you dont have to worry about them
either you deathskip 4th and trigger reaping by killing a bomb and skip it that way
or you stealthskip with only the tank dying, and you kill a bomb after last boss
wary ice
Follow up q: does Mech jocky bolstering stacks follow into the mech?
marble hemlock
if you bolster jockey and he jumps in, nah
bleak spoke
doesn't it do that weird thing that after you kill the machine it jumps back out with hp
marble hemlock
its this trash setup btw
you just shroud start
do basically everything except for 3pack at 1st boss area
can either do the one in the house on the right, or the ones on the left, doesnt matter which one
and then youre just missing 1count
only on m0 @bleak spoke
if you gigabolster the jockey it might come back out alive
bleak spoke
oh okay
marble hemlock
but on higher keys the scaling makes it so the jockey dies inside the mech
bleak spoke
i thought bolstering was the week there was a weird interaction too
cuz i've definitely seen it jump back out
wary ice
Im concerned with omega bolstered mechs
marble hemlock
just play 3ttk, easy fix
wary ice
but thats just discplined dps isnt it
marble hemlock
mecha dies before the rest 😃
bleak spoke
and then you can tank with evasion :^)
no joke though i expect to be randomly schmacked
playing 3 ttk
marble hemlock
worst case scenario
you pull aggro on mech
and run into the orange shit
to get disoriented
since that makes you lose aggro
marble hemlock
yeah, thats why the mobs run rampant if the tank stands in it 😃
bleak spoke
next time i'm gonna tell my healer
that i ran in there to drop aggro
and not by accident :^)
marble hemlock
:^)
bleak spoke
thats actually hella useful information tho
marble hemlock
i mean, it deals a lot of damage
so not something you should plan on using 😛
but its a last-ditch effort
also, ttk is amazing on first boss
since TB lines up perfectly with the bomb spawns
marble hemlock
just pull/refresh bleeds before the third stack, and then go ham with 5-6envenoms during the buff
bleak spoke
when do you vendetta
marble hemlock
first set
bleak spoke
is it after bombs come out
marble hemlock
and then TB when 3rd bomb gets in
ye
i usually step first, cloak 2nd
feint during the knockbacks when the boss doesnt have the debuff up
so healer can dps more during bombs
wary ice
I like it cause it pads
bleak spoke
everyone loves to see big numbers!
marble hemlock
i love it
except when i get 5 noncrit envenoms during BL/vendetta
which is
37% basecrit with spyglass, crit enchant and mekka trinket btw 😃
wary ice
yikes
marble hemlock
something was broken during that run, cause over the entire run i had 33% crit on envenom
on any single boss, getting unlucky can happen sure, but having 33% crit on 37% basecrit with those trinkets over a 35minute run was just baffling
marble hemlock
never
i mean im usually at 45-50% crit with any of the procs up
although i dropped mekka now since i got 400dice with socket
marble hemlock
😦
primal gazelle
reminds me of a mythic ursoc kill back in legion where i had 0% crits on my annihilations on my DH, with 50% ish base crit
blissful tide
Mine rogue only has 4 feelsbadman
marble hemlock
got 8 in m+ gear
blissful tide
I got more on 400 pieces, but I usually have better stats on my 415s
primal gazelle
dont need mastery when i press is FOK FOK FOK
royal lantern
FoK on boss fights 🤔
primal gazelle
when you enter the last boss with 7m+ remaining on the timer due to how much youve pumped trash, boss dps hardly matters
primal gazelle
900k
marble hemlock
boes arent that expensive
heavy skiff
Mekka trinket missing there
shy axle
are you pooling in Vendetta7Tb phases or jjust pumping out what you can?
golden relic
was it one of those trade spamming plebs
marble hemlock
seb got 425+socket boots for 750k last week
primal gazelle
i have a mekka, i prefer flume over it tho
marble hemlock
stuff is pretty cheap on most realms now
primal gazelle
i haggled him down from 1.5 to 900k lol
heavy skiff
50%crit is better then 42 xd
golden relic
lmao
primal gazelle
id buy the boots too but its like verse mastery or something? idk sucks for my build
golden relic
got gold tasseled shoulders today
strange python
I have those BoE 420 with Socket 😃
primal gazelle
i still have 415+socket belt in my bag if anyone in area52 wants to buy 😛
golden relic
bought shoulders instead of getting a 4th slithering loa head, broke the curse :))))))))))
primal gazelle
400k
strange python
I have that to... I got 2 socket BoE first week.. x)
primal gazelle
i realize i could buy a piece every week as long as i scrap the useless piece
marble hemlock
meanwhile
primal gazelle
1000 TR from doing a +21 every week, 375 from scrapping the shit piece, only need 450 more from scrapping mythic/heroic pieces or RNG from weekly islands which is reasonable
spice surge
oof
spice surge
Condolences
golden relic
y i k e s
spice surge
Except on TR 😃 😄
strange python
I am hopefully rolling for Chest soon. I have 1600 -.- Fucked up my math and don't wanna scrap my Spymasters warps 😦
marble hemlock
so i doubt ill get it today unless i roll it
primal gazelle
they wouldnt give it to you even tho itsbis for rogues?
spice surge
Just roll it EZ
marble hemlock
actually forgot to buy bonusrolls 2weeks ago
primal gazelle
@strange python never scrap spymasters
strange python
I won't @primal gazelle
golden relic
just have full bags and have it sent to mail and cant trade 
not a scumbag btw
spice surge
Oof
strange python
I still want 125 more for Ceph 😄
primal gazelle
i dont raid, but my guild brought me in for conclave last night and gave me the 415 eb/ss chest
i am blessed
wary ice
I'll be ur rogue bud :^)
golden relic
they wanted to fuel the HB meme