assassination

[spice surge]

And spam fok

[serene basin]

you are 100% going to overcap cp sometimess

and its better to continue spamming fok with that capacity of mobs

[desert vault]

Yeah I just sort of swap from overcapping CPs is there nothing super high priority and spend at max CP if there is something that needs to melt

[serene basin]

and finish with envenom

[desert vault]

and 10+ mobs I'm fokfokfokffokfokfofkfoofkofkfok

:PD

😄

[serene basin]

definitely get a few ruptures out for 10-15

[spice surge]

It depends on how fast they die

[serene basin]

but if you are doing like 30-40 reaping, then spam fok

[spice surge]

Not how many target there are

[fluid mist]

damn that ma/an extra dd trait is big difference.

[desert vault]

yeah a couple, sure, but live that fok life 😛

[fluid mist]

I just really do not like the ma opener and general feel tho 😦

[copper kestrel]

I need to do the math but with 3x EB & enough ruptures to GCD lock, there must be a mob number at which it's better to:

1. Only envenom for buff and/or EP
2. Not envenom at all

I've just been too distracted to make the time to investigate

[lament dove]

then just go with SS
if there is an add (or adds) and you can multigarrote, then it's worth it

[atomic saddle]

The thing is you are out of energy pretty quick when not applying ruptures early and then its hard to recover because no energy -> no cp -> no ruptures. So I'd rupture 3-4 and then just spam fok and try to keep (how many?) bleeds up to be able to spam fok on GCD

[serene basin]

well see thats the thing

[spice surge]

If there is low hp targets that die fast

[serene basin]

with sob, you should be applying the ruptures to high health reaping - the big bois

[crisp shard]

In BoD there is only 3 bosses where ss is worth, Champions, JFM, King

[serene basin]

you'll sustain way better + more dmg

[strange python]

On reaping just. 3x Garrote 1x Rupture, thistle tea then Spam fok

[serene basin]

thistle tea lmao

[vast forum]

Using thistle tea in 2019

[lament dove]

hey why not

[desert vault]

you forgot 3x garrote, 1x rupture, pray for PB proc, THEN spam fok

[vast forum]

Tons of agi >>>> some energy

[desert vault]

have to beg for the PB proc

[strange python]

Lol Yoppa. Who uses Agi pots reaping?

[lament dove]

if you have 2+ EB you should really try HB

[vast forum]

I mean, you either pot or you don't

Why would you use a suboptimal pot

[atomic saddle]

Is there a breakpoint on how many mobs it is worth dps wise (with 3xEB) to stop spamming fok and actually spend CP?

[strange python]

I never get why people say HB. You spam FoK too much to get stacks anyway don't you?

[spice surge]

If you dont run out of energy, its better for overall damage to fok @atomic saddle

[vast forum]

Hb = 20% extra dmg every other global

How can it be bad?

[lament dove]

while you put out ruptures you get 1-2 HB stacks, you get more between packs, and it does more dmg on single target than PB

[vast forum]

And any downtime just stacks it up

[spice surge]

It doesnt do more on ST than pb

[lament dove]

it does for me

or at least that much

[vast forum]

It might be a slight loss on st

And a gain in aoe

[strange python]

Next week is fortified so I guess if would work. +bolstering. The priodamage will be nice to use

[copper kestrel]

For Optimal MA usage post-opener:

1. Should I hold TB (or vanish) to line them up?
2. Should I aim for a particular combo number/sequence?

I feel like the most consistent MA is the one from the opener:
0 CP>Vanish>TB>Mut>Envenom

[spice surge]

Dont hold TB, hold vanish and possibly hold vendetta to make sure the full 9s of tb is in vendetta

Assuming you dont lose a cast

[copper kestrel]

Makes sense (way more likely to lose a TB cast holding it)

Any ideas on what the "best" or "better" MA Vanish combos are? Maybe it's hard to go wrong.

Most of my ideas seem to center around: Should the TB cast be inside MA or not? I get 3 casts so it could be:

1. Vanish>TB>Mut>Envenom (or TB>Envenom>Mut) depending on CP entering Vanish
2. Or pre-TB & 5CP the vanish to get TB>Vanish>Envenom>Mut>Envenom/Mut (depending on crits)

[ripe nimbus]

All 3 are in with error margin. In short do what feels best for u

[copper kestrel]

how freeing

[noble onyx]

/castsequence reset=combat/120
Vendetta, 13, Vanish, Toxic Blade, Mutilate, Envenom

How to be lazy 101

[copper kestrel]

😄

[vestal wren]

castsequences 🤢

[copper kestrel]

Oh the good ole days when I had a single macro for my lock

(shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt)

[vestal wren]

would need to look at dh apl but i had a one button rotation macro working for them

[ripe nimbus]

They a 2 button spam spec so pretty easy to macro xD

[vestal wren]

dont know how much the rotation changed but a simple macro/castsequence would not be enough

i was using gnome sequencer for a prove of concept implementation of the apl in 1 button

main issue was the seemingly unpredictable use of fell rush (i assume thats not a rotational cooldown atm tho)

also that it would cancle eye beam before it finished if you spam the macro

[worldly iron]

@copper kestrel I was peeping the rank 1 rogue on mekkatorque and he always used TB before MA. probably what I'll be doing as well, I kinda like the possiblity of getting two possibly big envenoms in

[strange python]

why does kimbul deal so much damage for havoc but so little for assassination?

[copper kestrel]

Thanks for the info!

[true ingot]

RPPM, Yahuei. It differs between classes/specs.

[strange python]

ty

[spice surge]

Its not different between classes

The rppm is the same

But havoc just has a lot more haste so it proccs more often (rppm scales with haste)

[lone junco]

the beam mini meta probably lines up with the procs more often than vendetta

but you could compare ticks /min, and then tick value average.

[primal gazelle]

@copper kestrel ive done the math for that before, my conclusion is to envenom at 6 targets or less to keep up EP/envenom buff. Had 3 EB + 40% crit, the threshold could be even lower for ppl with less gear, but 6 target sounds about right

[strange python]

40% crit? With Procs I hope. I thought I had high crit :( :(😭

[primal gazelle]

im 42% unbuffed 😛

[lone junco]

I think im 33% unbuffed.

at a fairly low ilvl

[strange python]

42%? Huh? How? How much crit do you have?

[lone junco]

but eb and cps dont care about ilvl. just crit

[primal gazelle]

2200 ish

[lone junco]

42%

lol

[primal gazelle]

8 sockets

[lone junco]

tried to get the Shrine EB hat from an M0. 2 dropped. neither would trade to me.

😐

[primal gazelle]

rolling for it tonight

3rd try

i better get it 😠

[lone junco]

running a fucked kit. but I still do better than my perfect outlaw.

my mh is prob holding me back from outlaw, but I dont do well at all. can hold 45k as sin without eb. so thats fine by me.

2ss 2ttk 1scent 1tc. I make it work. Only time I wished i was outlaw was shark boss range on the spin.

my hands arent long enough.

at least i got a new poker out of it.

dont mind swapping enchants around due to new weps.

[primal gazelle]

my average crit is poppinnnn

[lone junco]

gg

[primal gazelle]

62% average melee crit lmao

[lone junco]

I liked high crit in legion.

72% mut crit was good news

100% on argus with buffs.

[copper kestrel]

Thanks Dayvanie! Any chance you did that math in a google sheet I could steal for my own crit? (Not sure where I'm at)

[strange python]

Strange. I have 5 socket and only crit heavy gear. And I am not even 2k. So +3 Sockets is not even close to 2.2k. I don't get it

[primal gazelle]

@copper kestrel https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWvPyqa0qja-8-VnsBvzcbXHn5nunbCiu2JKceeM-RU/edit#gid=1435023667 download your own copy, plug in your values

[strange python]

I am talking about the 2.2k crit he has. I have tried HB didn't like it. Might try again soon ;)

[primal gazelle]

https://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/area-52/Dayvanie

i have high crit on every slot and 8 crit sockets

[lone junco]

HB Memes

g g g r fok?

[primal gazelle]

i stopped ggg on reaping if 10>spawn together within same vicinity

[lone junco]

lol "fuck that cp life"

[primal gazelle]

im sure you can find a log where i casted like 7 foks in a row lmao

or more

[strange python]

@lone junco pof

pog

you're in strawberry puppy kisses

[lone junco]

thats him ^^

[strange python]

who

[primal gazelle]

no that would be me lol

[strange python]

o nice

[lone junco]

not a raider tho right

[strange python]

i had some friends in Alacrity

[primal gazelle]

nah

[strange python]

never met anyone in sbk

spk*

[lone junco]

ofkfokfokfokfokfokfokf

[strange python]

lulll

i casual in Thief or whatever

[lone junco]

that crit life

[strange python]

they were spamming ginvites :x

holy

that damage is stupid

[lone junco]

the 32k fok crit is nice from HB.

but idk vs dungeon wide pb.

probably hard to tell

[strange python]

whatever feels nicest ofc

:')

i feel like it's a good trade off

[primal gazelle]

lol wtf how did 1 cast of deadly poison do almost 1m dmg

[strange python]

as long as you don't kill your st

[lone junco]

couple of good stacks.

based on that stuff, Im not sure I give 2 shits about envenom buff. maybe EP. but DP application hits are garbage

[past spruce]

Hi

[copper kestrel]

Thanks @primal gazelle!

[desert vault]

Welp, bis shoulders for m+ today from my residuum, its something. SS, EB, TtK, with unstable flames

[lofty gate]

how many traits of Echoing Blades do you need to get the talent Hidden Blades

?

I only have 1 and I do not know if it's worth the talent

[desert vault]

Min of 2, really 3 is ideal. I'm going to run 3 this week but honestly will prolly run PB over HB, I always just PB though, prolly should try HB some

[idle vigil]

What’s second best stat after crit?

[desert vault]

for what? M+?

Haste is best in raid/ST

[lofty gate]

thanks elinkar

[idle vigil]

For m+ sorry

[lone junco]

Crit/Mastery for M+. Haste, crit/mastery for raid. depends on trinkets and stuff.

[idle vigil]

Mastery second?

[lone junco]

you can sim your stat weights on raid bots using the Dungeon slice.

Most do crit/haste on weps. and gear crit mastery.

[idle vigil]

Dungeon slice is trashhhhh

[lone junco]

then dont ask about weights. Just make up what you wanna make up.

[idle vigil]

????

[lone junco]

tell me the top 5 reasons that dungeon slice is trash, then why you like the stats you like.

k go.

you're the one asking simple questions.

https://tenor.com/view/lenny-simpsons-waiting-silent-still-gif-4685298

[desert vault]

Hrmm, 3x EB and SS or 3x EB, 2x SS, 1x TtK this week ...

[weak socket]

@lone junco This relates to earlier in the conversation, but with EB trait, isn't it better in high packs, like reaping, to spam FOK over using CP?

[lone junco]

@weak socket Dayvies believes so. and has a spreadsheet. TC tried to find that as a viable rotation with 4 ruptures out, but I dont think they made it a gain.

unless im wrong, otherwise there would be an ENV < X mob count. condition.

[weak socket]

So is it better to FoK rupture spam reaping?

or FoK Env spam

[heavy skiff]

Fok spam only

[lone junco]

any ruptures past e cap is unnecessary. unless scent.

but very necessary

[heavy skiff]

And rup low hp mobs to reset energy

[lone junco]

once your ruptures are out, and you are fokking, I hammer the biggest mob with fok Tb env fok env

[weak socket]

XeoX I kinda do that now, I try to GGG R then FoK spam and just R near death mobs if I'm low on energy, and just spam FoK... I've gotten 90k+ on reaping this way.

[desert vault]

I sometimes get greedy and cast a few too many ruptures cause I want to see a PB proc when reaping is stacked all nice and tight 😛

[lone junco]

I have 2 ttk though so I have no problem using env.

[heavy skiff]

On reaping sometimes u dont even need to garrote

[weak socket]

But my traits are 1EB 2SS and 2 TC I believe

[lone junco]

1eb is never going to be fok spam over cps.

3x with very high crit, on high mob counts.

[heavy skiff]

Just start ur fok spam and reset with ruptures

[weak socket]

I take that back. 2NP 2SS 1EB 1 TC >.>

[heavy skiff]

Ur dh kills it all so quick u can reset before starving

[lone junco]

you assume a lot.

[heavy skiff]

I have 3eb 2ss and 1ttk

And i have 35% crit

[desert vault]

should be loving life with that

[heavy skiff]

Yep

[desert vault]

I'm like 33 crit, 32 mastery and run same traits most of the time, well on tyrannical I run 2x eb, ss, ttk

[heavy skiff]

On tyr i run 3xttk 2xss and 1xeb

Or 2 2 2

Depends on dung

[desert vault]

I just don't have the 3x ttk I don't think, my 415 chest is eb/ss so that stops me

i can run 2x of everything at 415 though

[bleak spoke]

If you play 3 ttk and not 3 eb you go 3 fok finisher

[heavy skiff]

Mine are mostly 400 :(

[bleak spoke]

Cuz ep maintainence becomes more accurate

And you play for prio

[desert vault]

I wish I could run 3 ttk, that would be fun

[lone junco]

Ill just go for the 3EB. 1ss min. rest is gravy

[heavy skiff]

I personaly prefere eb pad xD

[bleak spoke]

I’m gonna be able to get the rasta shoulders back from item restore today and play 3 ttk 8D

2:2:2 is good but it feels so aimless lol

[heavy skiff]

Yea ur right

It like no pad aoe no prio...

[bleak spoke]

And also no ST

Like yeah you end up top of the meter kinda anyway mostly

But there’s never a specific pull where you feel like you were actually useful lol

[primal gazelle]

mediocre at everything lul

[lone junco]

not a bad plan tbh.

[heavy skiff]

Do u use internal bleedeng or iron wire on M+?

[bleak spoke]

Iron wire is the non selfish choice

Ib kidney is your strongest finisher outside of Tb

[heavy skiff]

Yea i know but internal bleedeng may convince me to actualy stun something xD

So its not thaaaat selfish

Kinda

[bleak spoke]

I love IB personally

[lone junco]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-smh-kanye-west-gif-4246025

[bleak spoke]

But for the dungeons where I still play sin to push I’ll play iron wire

[lone junco]

cant you just kidney the things that need kidney. like banana monkeys

[bleak spoke]

Stunning on monkeys makes them skip to frontal

Better bananas than slobber

That’s one of the hardest frontals to dodge in the game

[lone junco]

noted.

just range the bananas then?

[bleak spoke]

When the cast finishes if everyone moves you don’t get hit

[strange python]

can anyone help me out here? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/psT4xB4WEaYAVNhbt5nNZL

[bleak spoke]

Cuz it targets your location

[strange python]

i want to use echoing blades shoulders

[bleak spoke]

And then they’ll go to cast the slobber you stun on it and they do bananas again

[strange python]

but with them my dps is lower

when i use MA

[bleak spoke]

Don’t use ma in dungeons

It’s miserable

[strange python]

even without ss?

[bleak spoke]

Get an ss

Like a single 390 ss is worth over not having one

Even 375 maybe

Not for dmg but for cp gen

Like you’re trying to reach energy equilibrium when packs start

So at 11% haste you need 4 dots out that’s 3 g and a rupture so ss means you don’t actually need to start every pack with cp

Any extra haste makes it less tight

You need giga haste to make it three dots but that’s not worth or possible

[strange python]

i think im at like 20-23% haste

[bleak spoke]

Basically any haste over ~10% is superfluous

But will help your ST which is alright I guess

[strange python]

well thing is i sim all my gear every time i get a piece thats ilvls above what i have so far none of them have simmed better than what i have equipped

[bleak spoke]

That’s cuz dungeon slice sims like 3t boss 5t boss etc

[strange python]

even on patchwerk

i usually sim both

[bleak spoke]

Idk simming m+ is rarely accurate especially for assa

[strange python]

for example the 415 belt i got from my m+ chest today sims worse for me than the one i have currently equipped

[bleak spoke]

What stats are on it

[strange python]

i think crit over mastery

sim is almost finished

[bleak spoke]

Like crit > mastery > versa > haste for m+

[strange python]

yeah crit over mastery

[bleak spoke]

And crit > vers > mastery > haste if you’re playing the pad build

To give you an idea of how dramatic it is

If I got a mekka trinket at 400 I’d play it over my 415 socketed dice

And I already have a spyglass equipped

Like there’s no way it doesn’t sim better

[strange python]

it doesnt

[bleak spoke]

But I would based on what I need

[idle vigil]

Does cheat death work on opulence coin shower?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ceyTvu6F69rrkB39KUqSwP

[bleak spoke]

Nope colleo

[harsh sphinx]

40-60sec 6T patchwerk mekka sims really damn high

[hollow stone]

Makes sense to me that the 405 crit haste sims higher than the 415 crit mast

For st

[strange python]

it did that for aoe as well

[hollow stone]

Your 405 is socketed. Thats big value

Socket is bigga boi

But they are equal

So you choose

Sidegrades

[bleak spoke]

Socket is bigly

[hollow stone]

If you have too much haste for your liking, use the mast one

[bleak spoke]

^

[strange python]

i think ill just change my gems

[hollow stone]

10dps diff is within the error percentage

[bleak spoke]

Maybe next tier we’ll have 50% crit

[harsh sphinx]

sockets are just too damn good

[strange python]

id give up all my sockets for 2 410 daggers xD

[bleak spoke]

No way

[harsh sphinx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7SALeyWnRzMZrW21Xt1kE1

don't do it

[round harbor]

https://gyazo.com/d3a57dff9cc9f675d979a9ebe777419a

u love to see it

[bleak spoke]

Dhiccus Hardus

[harsh sphinx]

hell ya, gratz

[bleak spoke]

You a blightborne boi now

[round harbor]

now i have actualk full bis outlaw and sin, for both raid and dungeon

[harsh sphinx]

damn did you get KR chest

last on my list

[hollow stone]

👉 🚪

[round harbor]

wait

dont have that ceph chest but i got spymasters

[bleak spoke]

Close enough

[round harbor]

same thing ya

[bleak spoke]

I have ceph 8D

But I also have shoulders of sanguine monstrosity which is giga depleted

[harsh sphinx]

oof

[bleak spoke]

Doesn’t affect me in raid I guess cuz jadefire shoulders for assa but still FeelsBadMan

[harsh sphinx]

got ceph, blighted tribes, spymasters just need KR to complete the journey

[bleak spoke]

1/6 seems like such shit odds

When you can roll at most once a week if you get giga lucky

I’m so tired of trying to make numbers add up to 1725

[harsh sphinx]

ya i had started to save but decided it was a bad idea and bought a few pieces

[mystic charm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3FNpgq9KzZDUp8FT3Koz3Q

Dungeon slice doesnt like TTK

[bleak spoke]

Dungeon slice doesn’t know how to play funnel

[mystic charm]

wonder how many ttk i should put into my m+ gear 1, 2 or 3 ?

hmm

[bleak spoke]

Or why funnel is faster

Even if it is less damage

[harsh sphinx]

2/2/2 is a pretty safe bet if you wanna try out the build

[bleak spoke]

Yeah you excel at nothing but end of dungeon dmg tho

[harsh sphinx]

just getting your 30-45k on everything cruising along i enjoy it

[lone junco]

@mystic charm TTK is not about raw damage overall. so it will lose in a sim.

[bleak spoke]

Yeah it’s pleasant

[lone junco]

it is about pumping ST in a specific mob with fok env.

[bleak spoke]

If dungeon goes good

[lone junco]

when that env starts hammering vendetta TB. for 100k 👌

[harsh sphinx]

like motherload pumping those peacekeepers

[bleak spoke]

You don’t feel impactful but you pump

[lone junco]

pbomb is nice there as well.

[harsh sphinx]

also group doesn't run with a slow for whatever reason sin is nice there

[bleak spoke]

Yeh the grg fok vendetta tb on the peacekeepers

You make them fucking vanish lmao

Legit they die same speed as thugs and assassins

If tank chains from peacekeepers vanishing is actually so strong too

Cuz the silence will group the vendors

[harsh sphinx]

def can be pretty clutch when you vanish g g g on a toxic blade / vendor / thug when everyone's interrupts down saving the rip

[bleak spoke]

Yeh and the long kidney on hail of flechettes

[heavy skiff]

Is it rly worth to ggg r vanish ggg r on a pack of 6?

I mean it feels wierd to not spam fok that long

And i get way to much energy

Would it be better to ggg gonto fok spam and shit

And then vanish when g falls of?

[stable oxide]

I dont even think you have enough energy regen to do ggg rupture, vanish ggg r without getting energy starved and losing GCDs

[hollow stone]

Ye. He didnt mean back to back ggg r van ggg r. He meant you can use van as a utility cd in keys and its very powerful

He being rtb

With bolstering and mongo dps, ttk is hella value this upcoming week

[bleak spoke]

Yeh this is an assa week for sure

I’m reading to pump

Readying*

[cobalt gyro]

at least i get to go ttk this week

[bleak spoke]

Any luck from chest odowla?

[cobalt gyro]

nah'

[bleak spoke]

About to go home and check mine 8D

Will only get an 18 from it

20 shrine was a no go xd

[subtle aurora]

hey guys, is it normal that outlaw outdpses sin in m+?

just tried OL for fun and AOE seems to be ezpz

[bleak spoke]

No

Should be equal if both played well

[cobalt gyro]

sin requires more gear

/specific set

[bleak spoke]

Outlaw is easier to execute and less entry reqs tho

[subtle aurora]

im using sin gear (29% crit, 14% haste) but a fist and seems so easy to aoe down adds lol

but boring af

so far its 10-12 keys

[bleak spoke]

Outlaw’s about conserving flurry charges, sin is about energy balance

[subtle aurora]

but im thinking higher keys sin shld outperform?

[bleak spoke]

In 10s-12s there’s not really much of a difference

In higher keys you play for iron wire vs gouge imo

[subtle aurora]

icic

[bleak spoke]

And whether you get restealths depending on certain dungeons or builds

And boss kill times

If your boss lasts like a minute sin will smash

If it lasts like 2 mins exactly sin will feel giga Sel’s

Awks

[subtle aurora]

just surprised OL can be so good. Its like i take so much effort to build bleeds, energy, finishers. OL just flurries away

[bleak spoke]

What type of autocorrrect is that

Yeh sin is more effort if you’re not really experienced in dungeons I guess

Tbh they’re both kind of autopilot after enough play D:

[subtle aurora]

yea i think more effort = more fun lol.

re-rolling 5 times to fish had me cursing

[bleak spoke]

Okay 5 isn’t even bad

[coarse carbon]

Been away a few weeks, with the new popular EB x3 build for M+ about what crit % is feeling the smoothest?

[bleak spoke]

Over 40%

Maybe more

[subtle aurora]

i have 2 EB, and 29% crit feels sluggish still

[rustic ether]

idk how people are even getting to base 40%

[bleak spoke]

35% here, feels pretty alright

[coarse carbon]

Yeah, i've got EB x3 and sitting at 34% crit myself.

[bleak spoke]

Difference between 30 and 35 is really really noticeable

[rustic ether]

i literally have the naga buff and only have 42% crit

[bleak spoke]

Sockets

[subtle aurora]

tks @bleak spoke

[coarse carbon]

I'm assuming the play style is to us SS x1 for opening with bleeds, then just going into FoK > Env spams?

[rustic ether]

i have 4 sockets /cry

[mint peak]

I went 3EB 3SS last week for fun at 35% crit, was not bad. Would probably drop at least 1 SS next time

[harsh sphinx]

11 sockets

[bleak spoke]

You output 4 bleeds for energy

Then spam fok

With 3 eb

As long as you have 11% haste

You need another bleed if you don’t

[subtle aurora]

4 bleeds = 3 garr + 1 rup eh?

[bleak spoke]

Yee

[coarse carbon]

Makes sense. Sitting on 34% crit, 13% haste, 32% mastery baseline. Need to flip some mastery into crit.

[subtle aurora]

i normally 3 garr + 1 rup + 1 rup to be safe

[bleak spoke]

If you play 3 eb can try hidden blades btw

[subtle aurora]

is it worth to cast non-empowered garr?

[bleak spoke]

No

[rustic ether]

not during big aoe

[bleak spoke]

Unless 3t

[harsh sphinx]

how many ttk you think for this week with bolstering

[mint peak]

I tried Hidden Blades for AD, felt kinda dumb but was hilarious on reaping

[subtle aurora]

say lik packs of 3-5

[bleak spoke]

3t rotation is hardest

You play to extend bleeds on all targets

With one envenom focus

[rustic ether]

3T rotation is so easy though when youre a nelf ;P

[bleak spoke]

Okay fk u

[rustic ether]

LOL

[bleak spoke]

Literally op race

@cobalt gyro fk u too for good measure

[coarse carbon]

Running EB x3, TtK x2, SS x1 i'm figuring should be pretty solid for this week; no?

[rustic ether]

no clue why its taken so long for people to catch on nelf is broken

yeah thats decent

[bleak spoke]

Yeh that build doesn’t even need restealths

You just chain ruptures down

[cobalt gyro]

wat

[bleak spoke]

I wanna be a nelf 😡

[rustic ether]

though i will mention that with bolstering, somedungeons wont want prio dmg

3SS would be better if you have all the choices in the world (in which case fuck you <3)

[coarse carbon]

No, but you can tab target down the higher HP mobs and just keep blowing env into them i'd imagine.

[lone junco]

cant you use Env to even out the dmg

right

[bleak spoke]

You do

This week ttk build is lord and savior

[rustic ether]

i just find 3SS is stronger with evening out dmg

[harsh sphinx]

i can't decide setup anymore -_- good problem to have https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vmWtf85bxiAFFCENgrCGfy

[lone junco]

ss is 3 /6

[bleak spoke]

3ss3eb is giga

If I had that and nelf I’d play exsang still

Garrote 7 Garrote 8 Garrote 9

[lone junco]

@harsh sphinx looks like a good kit

[coarse carbon]

Yeah, no 3ss3eb setup for me. So i'm still going to run Sub/TB

[rustic ether]

im praying i get the good shoulders this week....ive gotten shit shoulders 3 times in a row with the 33% chance of getting good luck, while i got the bis helm first chance lmfao

[harsh sphinx]

gotta try out the 3Eb dream nw

[coarse carbon]

Yeah i've had shit luck with rolls for a few attempts now myself. Awfully tilting

To the point where I have to use a 390 helm to get my 3rd EB

[subtle aurora]

hey so in aoe, the only garrotes out will be subt ones, nothing else eh?

[rustic ether]

basically

[coarse carbon]

You can get a rupture up for same energy regen and more damage for 20 less energy

[rustic ether]

i do throw in a bad garrote sometimes when it gets down to 3-4 targets and my ruptures are all gone

[subtle aurora]

i mean sometimes, at like 4 cps and u want a 5 cp finisher, a garr seems convenient lol

[rustic ether]

sort of an emergency energy ramp up

[subtle aurora]

yea

convenience

but willl keep in mind not to cast if poss

[rustic ether]

i would like a WA that tracks how many ruptures i have up though that would be useful so i know when my energy is going to start lagging behind

so like a scent of blood wa but not using scent of blood KEK

[cobalt gyro]

mizerok has one of those on wago

[coarse carbon]

I'm guessing we go deadly/quick for the weap enchants with the EB build, yes?

[subtle aurora]

but on ST garr has to keep up right?

[rustic ether]

most likely @coarse carbon

yes on St no matter what keep garrote on

no use in not

unless target has less than a few hundred k

[subtle aurora]

okies dokie

[rustic ether]

want to make sure that the garrote actually does a good chunk of its dmg or else a more upfront mutilate may be more worthwhile

[subtle aurora]

got it

[rustic ether]

musclebrah just admit ON LIVE STREAM HE WILL BE GOING ASSASS

OUR TIME IN THE SHADOWS IS OVER BROTHERS

[subtle aurora]

erm, we have to be in the shadow, we are rogues XD

[rustic ether]

shut up!

THEY DONT KNOW THAT

[subtle aurora]

they shouldnt know, else shroud is broken XD

[rustic ether]

but for real a 25 underrot this is insane to watch lmfao

[subtle aurora]

they make it look like a +10

[rustic ether]

their reaping almost has more hp than a 19 normal mobs lmfao

[desert vault]

is he running Sin now or still outlaw?

[rustic ether]

right now hes running outlaw

but hes setting up for sin

[desert vault]

oh ok, trying to decide if I want to bother with a ttk this week or straight 3x EB/SS

[hollow stone]

Ttk good value this week cause of bolstering and general mongo dps

But depends on your group

[rustic ether]

i have no clue where people are finding 3EB 1SS 2TTK

what pieces are there?

rasta shoulders and thats all i can find

[supple compass]

Why would u want ttk in m+

[hollow stone]

Pretty sure opu helm

[rustic ether]

its good on prio dmg

[hollow stone]

Because you group has lots of aoe and you need prio dmg

Esp on a week like bolstering where everyone going full tilt aoe can fuck you

[desert vault]

I'm running 3x EB, 2x SS, 1x ttk all 415

[hollow stone]

Ttk sin will let you balance mobs out

[rustic ether]

i still dont like the idea of TTK but its been getting alot of traction and i want to have it to test stuff out

also its alot less reliant on restealths

[hollow stone]

The problem with ttk is generally your end of run meter dps looks lower than youre used to even if the key went faster

[near pilot]

oh wow blizz thanks for my 410 cannon runner today, said no rogue ever

[desert vault]

heh, it is a fun trinket on fort/teeming weeks at least 😃

oh crap, I might be able to do 3x SS, 2x ttk, 1x ss I forgot ...

[near pilot]

if it proc's at the right time lol i alrdy have to pray for PB;s

[desert vault]

it is fun when it procs back to back on a well place reaping pack 😛

dang it, no I can't do 2x ttk, just 3x eb/ss or 3/2/1

[copper kestrel]

Do you guys swap between Sin & OL for Mythic Raid progression fights? Debating whether to start building an OL set
Very happy with my Sin Raid/M+ gear/azerite. Not sure whether it's worth investing in new gear / learning another spec

[rustic ether]

for raid? theres nothing that screams outlaw

like nothing that S C R E A M S outlaw

sin does better in every fight i can think of

unless you need good burst aoe on opulence

that might be the only fight that requires niche massive aoe if you dont already have some DHs

[copper kestrel]

Was just looking at the 90th parses. OL was better on every fight but Champ/Grong/Mekka. Was surprised to see Outlaw do so well on JFM (guess other guilds stack them?) and Conclave/Stormwall (you tell me). Seemed like more the only fights that screamed Sin are Grong/Mekka

But we have 3 DHs so Opu burst AoE is probably fine. And I currently get sent downstairs for Rasta, leaving ranged(aka locks) up top.

Sin feels easier and more consistent, so I'll stick it out as long as I'm not holding people back

[rustic ether]

keep in mind oultaw will have good parses because people get stupid lucky on rolls

the more consistent storng St spec is sin

[royal lantern]

outlaw has higher highs with luck, but lower lows too

sin is consistant and can only go up with lucky crits/pb procs n stuff

[fleet whale]

Outlaw also gets dicked more if you get targeted by mechanics

[copper kestrel]

fwiw I looked at 50th parses as well, those showed the same trend (except blockade, but was still close)

Though I think for a shitter like me, Sin is probably the safer bet

[steep bluff]

anyone have a guideline of what traits i would want to get the most sustain for single target in raids?

ATM im running DDx2 NPx2 SSx1 and Scentx1

i know the scent can be changed out once i get the right piece of gear

[mint peak]

Another DD, NP, BB would all be good replacements for Scent and SS assuming you do the MA build

[steep bluff]

well i mean ive heard everyone saying that SSx3 plus sub is good. but my problem is my sustain in raids. its a lower than sim

[spice surge]

Its not good in raids

[steep bluff]

burst is great 40K+ with my current setupo

[spice surge]

SS is a cleave/burst trait

But NP does more burst, so its mostly a cleave trait

[steep bluff]

so overall, is it not worth having in current raid tier? i also do mythic + at times as wel

[ripe nimbus]

SS is fine to have in current raid

3 might be excessive but its not bad

A combination of DD/NP/SS are all in top parses

So use what sims best for u

[steep bluff]

im parsing 80+ for current ilvl with my current setup on fights

what about trech? what should i drop for that trait cause i hear its good

acutally parsed a 94 on heroic jaina with my setup last nighjt

[ripe nimbus]

Sim ur top gear click on all traits and click the talents MA and SS and then use whats best

[round harbor]

@primal gazelle https://gyazo.com/a13e4f88a8ed16dec42c275c6bc1263c we acheived peak performance

[royal torrent]

this tier has a lot of rando targeted mechanics that can tank parses on any given week too, some fights you just have to get lucky in addition to playing well

[bleak spoke]

you disgust me rawr

[ripe nimbus]

Im 418.5 ilvl 2nd highest ilvl rogue in the world. /weirdflex

[golden relic]

lmao

[bleak spoke]

i'm 418 bags if that counts D:

[golden relic]

im gna save that pic as a meme

[bleak spoke]

imagine if he was a blood elf and actually had 40% crit :^)

[ripe nimbus]

If it counts in ur heart then yes.

[round harbor]

orc forever

[strange python]

Crikey.

[round harbor]

idc if its worse

[bleak spoke]

zug zug

[lone junco]

@round harbor missing 1. keep at it.

[round harbor]

ikr

i cant drop the mainhand wep lvl though

PepeHands

[bleak spoke]

PeepeeHands

[lone junco]

most i had last tier was 9x

[steep bluff]

one last question. I have harlans and golden plume. Is galecallers worth getting still

[bleak spoke]

depends

galecallers is theoretically better if you use it well

[spice surge]

Not really, they're pretty equal

If at same ilvl

[bleak spoke]

oh they're equal now?

use the plummage then probably

[lone junco]

GC just sucks to actually use.

[bleak spoke]

i actually like galecallers

makes boring fights less boring

[lone junco]

Did anyone else have it week 1? I swear the circle was about half the size

[marble elm]

galecallers is fucking aids

[strange python]

Galecaller is such a pain to farm. It's bis trinket by far for my SV Hunter and I've never gotten a drop. Got a 410 Harlans with Socket on my SV Hunter and just got a 415 Harlans from my cache today for my Rogue.

[primal gazelle]

@round harbor i hate u

😦

[bleak spoke]

what crit are you at rn dayvanie

[glass plank]

If you have 3SS and 3EB is it better than Outlaw ? (in m+)

[primal gazelle]

11 sockets and 3 eb 3 ss

please jump out a window

[bleak spoke]

not even 12 sockets is that guy even trying :^)

[primal gazelle]

im at 42 ish

[bleak spoke]

are you dead eye mekkas

[strange python]

Had a 355 Galecaller at one point and it can be extremely annoying to use because of mechanics and busy tanks.

[primal gazelle]

deadeye plume

[bleak spoke]

ah

[primal gazelle]

rawr is at 39% with 11 sockets, im guessing some of his pieces dont have high crit on them

[ripe nimbus]

Want my 425 socketed mekka trinket?

[primal gazelle]

still sick tho

yes pls

[bleak spoke]

wtf critizin

[ripe nimbus]

I have 420+in every slot but wep and cloak

Ez game

[bleak spoke]

good damn

[primal gazelle]

do u have 99% avg parse

[ripe nimbus]

I hate this mekka trinket tho but cant get rid of it because of ilvl socket

[bleak spoke]

what's the ilevel add on for equip screen btw

[ripe nimbus]

Dejavucharacterstats

Or something like that

[bleak spoke]

thanks fam

[primal gazelle]

rolling for the eb ss helm today for the 3rd time, i better get it 😠

[spice surge]

Deja, not dejavu 😉

[bleak spoke]

DEJAVU

[spice surge]

Well critizin, how much do you sim with all of your fancy ilvl? 😉

[lone junco]

9000

[ripe nimbus]

26.9k but i dont use optimal azerite traits because i like at least 1 SS

Im le stubborn

I also use Sub over MA

[lone junco]

I dont blame you. 1ss TB is pretty nice

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/jSjJdJG.png

doesn't show sockets zzz

is that an elvui thing

[ripe nimbus]

Yah

Nice slootmog

[bleak spoke]

owo

it's more owo when i have the monkey paws while playing outlaw 😂

[ripe nimbus]

Haha

Im a tall boi troll but im not sure i like it. They seemed to have not finished the animations everything feels really stiff

[bleak spoke]

Is paku actually best now tho

I considered it but I didn’t like the variance

Like I’m sure in raid it averages out

[ripe nimbus]

I think they are all pretty meh. But yah paku best

All i know bwomsamdi is bad

[bleak spoke]

bwon has a healing component right?

feels like those are rarely the best

[rose loom]

I've got Freehold shoulders at 385 currently, would it be recommended to buy a 415 azerite piece to replace them or try and replace some of my 400's with 415's that have better traits?

[mint peak]

Without knowing your other pieces how can anyone really say. Still going from 385-415 is prob more worth it

[rose loom]

SoB, EB helm at 400, SS+NP Chest at 400

[opaque relic]

Hey guys, what fight style do u use for simming? I could find the answer anywhere, I only heard that dungeon slice is pretty bad

[wary ice]

dungeon slice is really accurate for pugs, ive found

not for how you should do keys, it still heavily favors st stuff becuase of how much of it is boss fights

I think its a good metric for you if you only ever pull one pcak at a time

[ripe portal]

is shrouded not desirable anymore

It murders my sim dps when I use it

[lone junco]

@ripe portal depends.

must have subterfuge

1ss + subterfuge can run the rest with DD/NP and TB.

not a lot running ST SS Exang though.

(like no one)

[spice surge]

but yes, SS has fallen behind since exsang is no longer the goto talent

Since TB scales better, makes nature traits scale better

[ripe nimbus]

I run 3 DD 1 NP 1SS and 1 Blightborne infusion

[lone junco]

@sand canyon power deeps. with the giga 3NP.

you like the st life?

[spice surge]

Its still decent, but dd and the likes are gonna preform better for ST

[lone junco]

I carry 1ss. and vanish gg the robot and step garrote grong.

seems good.

[wide bolt]

Yea it seems one SS, triple DD, one NP with subterfuge is best

Maybe a TC

Too many adds to cleave off of with buffed garrotes to not run SS+subt

[spice surge]

Except this raid doesnt have very many situation where you can meaningfully get SS on multiple targets

[slender sonnet]

TB is the envenom aerite trait right

[spice surge]

Especially the later bosses which are the hard ones

Toxic blade, its a talent

Ttk is the envenom trait

Twist the knife

[wide bolt]

Yea I've only gotten up to Rasta so I'm currently thinking of the first half of the bosses like grong mechs, both bosses on masters, opulence if vanish lines up with swap debuff

Ss is nice on opulence as a nightborne because you get shadowmeld

[opaque relic]

about the shadowmeld. It wasnt working for me on opulence last night. maybe I did something wrong (I had a macro: /cast Shadowmeld.../cast Garrote)

[wide bolt]

Shadowmeld breaks on movement so if you're moving as you cast it it'll immediately break. Guild died before 8.1.5 and haven't raided since so maybe that broke iy

But it definitely was working pre-8.1.5

[opaque relic]

I tried it while standing still aswell

probably patched that off

[idle vigil]

It works

Night elf player here

😃

[opaque relic]

do u use any macro?

[idle vigil]

Nope

Macros fuck it up

Don’t ask me why

[opaque relic]

so u just shadowmeld and insta garrote? does it work for you every time?

[idle vigil]

Yep

Only thing that will fuck it is if u take damage

[opaque relic]

ok gonna try it without macro next time

[idle vigil]

Yea it sucks for boss encounters

In like keys and shit u can get a stealth off so you get subterfuge too

But bosses you just get 1 out of stealth ability

[opaque relic]

btw do u use rogue UI weakaura that shows you if your garrote is empowered? and if yes, does it show empowered garrote this way?

[idle vigil]

I don’t

[round harbor]

i jsut remember wheats empowered and whats not

[lilac dirge]

been playing outlaw in m+ and wanted to give sin a shot this week. Is SS the strongest trait overall in m+?

[odd hatch]

I got to ask, why does raidbots ‘Top Gear’ tell me to stack haste when ‘Stat Weights’ says haste is in 3rd place? Which do i believe? Assuming top gear

[ripe nimbus]

Top gear

Stat weights change constantly everytime u switch a piece of gear

[odd hatch]

Right but if i swap a 320 haste ring with a 313 haste ring i dont think itll move haste to first

Just weird to me

[simple ocean]

There's a message that shows up on the website that explains why Stat Weights aren't as reliable as Top Gear

[odd hatch]

Def lookin out for that next time around

[idle vigil]

If your gear has an excess of other stats then haste is gonna be prioritized

Also depends on your traits and spec

Days of soft and hard caps are gone

[odd hatch]

Yeahhh that isnt really related to my question lol

I understand caps and whatnot. Was just wondering why the two things were contradicting each other

[ripe nimbus]

Science

[wary ice]

They're not; ones telling you the relative worth of each stat given a certain set, the other is telling you the relative worth of your gear given a pile of items

[odd hatch]

Right but the top gear thing im testing is one piece off my stat weight one. Legit same set +1 that couldnt possibly change stat weights around that hard

[wary ice]

🤷 but they do

[ripe nimbus]

Yes it most def could

[wary ice]

stat relationships are not linear

[odd hatch]

Right but putting the same amount of haste on a ring but swapping mas with vers isnt gonna launch haste up by .3 or w/e

[mint peak]

Why don't you link us the sims

[odd hatch]

Youll have to give me some time for that one. Bout to start a shrine and if im alt tabbed and simming it wrecks my laptop and your boi has to reload

[ripe nimbus]

Yes it could u could run the same sim twice and it could come up with different stat weights then the first time u ran it

[wary ice]

If im being short i apologize, im just not sure how you can say "x cant happen" when you're staring the statistics in the face about why it just happened

[ripe nimbus]

Especially if the differences are as small as .3

[odd hatch]

It’s cool im not flustered

I was mainly here to confirm following top gear > stat weights

[wary ice]

yes

top > stat for accuracy to your character

[odd hatch]

Ye figured. Do you guys sim over 25k yet?

[wary ice]

ST?

[ripe nimbus]

26.9k with my prefered traits 27.3k with "optimal"

[odd hatch]

Ye st

[strange python]

27,3?

[odd hatch]

Damn what’s your ilvl? I assume pref is shrouded suff > ma

[mint peak]

I'm still at like 26.2k but need either Champions or Stormwall helm still

[strange python]

420 azeritev

?*

[ripe nimbus]

Im 418.5 ilvl

[royal lantern]

ilvl doesnt mean much, its all about the sockets

get 9million sockets->enjoy your high sim dps

[wary ice]

im 24.5rn at 3xdd 3xnp

[odd hatch]

Right but 418 means something lmao

[royal lantern]

it means somone is lucky with ilvl AND sockets ;P

[odd hatch]

Good stuff. Jealous

I only sim 24,350

[mint peak]

ilvl obviously means somethig because you'r every rarely going to be out dps'd by someone in 410 if you're 420

[ripe nimbus]

Im the 2nd highest ilvl rogue in the world atm it obv means im very skilled

Praise me

[royal lantern]

doesnt mean much<------------->means nothing

i never said nothing

[odd hatch]

2nd highest

Jesus

[mint peak]

I mean it means a good amount. It's a fair indicator. Only in like 2-3 ilvl difference is it really plausible to do less damage with higher ilvl

[odd hatch]

Ive been up there before but never top 3

[ripe nimbus]

Just got lucky /shrug

[mint peak]

At least theoretical DPS

[ripe nimbus]

I was 416.7 ilvl with two 400 ilvl daggers for the longest time i only got double 415+ last week

[odd hatch]

I was 403 for 4 weeks 😃

Then finally got some mythic loot and went to 408

[ripe nimbus]

Also i wouldnt say someone with 420 ilvl couldnt be outdpsed by someone in 410. Their is alot of mediocre players at very high ilvls the joys of the WF/TF system. Cant really use gear as an indicator of skill level as much as u maybe could before. Was a pretty poor way to judge before but not as bad as it is now lol

[vestal wren]

gear is always a factor

[timber jewel]

It is a factor, but it's not the end all be all

You can still do shut damage at high ills if you're bad/don't know what you're doing

[vestal wren]

your group/strategy/gear(sockets,itemlvl)/killtime/rng... all play a role

mekka is a fight that showcases how a lot of factors out of your control can impact your dps

[novel rapids]

But its way easier do high dps if u have more ilvl even if u are bad

[vestal wren]

high itemlvl and good group often are very impactfull

[plain thistle]

I got a rank 4 on mekka, you know... 0 bombs and 0 shrunks, easy easy 😄

that was back in 8.1, its not rank 4 anymore

[ripe nimbus]

Not even rank 1 with no mechanics tut tut

[near pilot]

opener look clean? ignore those 2 seconds they caught me away from boss 😦

[plain thistle]

[copper kestrel]

I've been using dungeon slice to build my M+ set. Am I dumb?
I know there's skepticism around it, but not sure what the alternative is

[strong needle]

This game hates me ...

[lone junco]

@copper kestrel slice is ok for a cleave st balance. if you want to go mongo cleave and disregard st there are other options.

but its a tool.

it is missing reaping waves.

[sand canyon]

@lone junco no st life is boring i rather blast

[lone junco]

thats what i expect

dd/np looked sleeper.

[sand canyon]

its super boring

i just was a bitch to pump st

and silence the casters all day on trash ggs

[lone junco]

i keed

my kit is fucked. but would like the 3eb

[sand canyon]

idk

3x eb 3x ss u do law dmg yes

but ur prio gna be shit so law > sin sadly but better utility with gars

so thats also super sad

nah

[lone junco]

not in the right spot rn

i need more 415 EB

[sand canyon]

before i go hybrid bitch i just dont paly it at all bro

@lone junco

i either go full st blast

[lone junco]

i can drop to 3ss. no fok

[sand canyon]

or prio dmg aoe blast law

everything else dont make me happy

[lone junco]

big cannon deeps for sure

[primal gazelle]

outlaw will do more ST than 3 eb/3 ss sadly with similar AOE

but itll still be a super minor difference at the high end

[full pagoda]

HEY GUYS ! I've finally got my dice 400 ilvl with a socket :D, totally off topic but feeeels way too amazing to not share it

Only the people who grinded it would understand me 😄

[vestal wren]

gz

[thorny shore]

How about hidden blades with 3 EB? Seems op

[royal lantern]

hidden blades only buffs the FoK dmg, EB proc is not FoK

it can work cus EB buffs FoK dmg too, but idk

[thorny shore]

Yeah but EB trait stack fok dmg...imagine a big reap with 20 stacks lol

[near pilot]

imagine the 10 min boss fight after!

[royal lantern]

then you did basicly 0 aoe in the pack before that

if you actually let it stack full

[primal gazelle]

20% every 2 secs gives the same dmg as 200% every 20 secs btw

no point in letting it stack unless youre ST on a boss

[royal lantern]

yeha but how many small adds for the big deeps aoe padding(wich he wants i gues) are alive after 20sec

like i said, dont know for sure cus i didnt actually played hidden blades

[primal gazelle]

you lose too much aoe by holding fok for that purpose

just play it normally and forget its there

[thorny shore]

Im testing with only 2 EB and my overall going better than pbomb/CT build

[tawny sable]

is there a list of bis az raiding pcs for purchase with titan resid?

[strong needle]

I'm wondering if I should gamble on head or shoulder. I have a 405 helm with SS and TTK and the eng 415 helm, and 415 shoulder with SS and BR.

What you guys think?

[sand canyon]

@lone junco my cannon hurts :

[royal lantern]

get a random shoulder and pray for the WM one

[cursive dagger]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[sand canyon]

@lone junco i hope u were proud

[lone junco]

@sand canyon you held your vanish too long. saving it for the next fight?

[sand canyon]

OMEGALUL

[visual quartz]

none of the random roll helms are any good, dont waste your residuum

[sand canyon]

im outlaw its just utilitY OMglul

as sin i delayed cause min max secret tictacs

[hallow coyote]

Why roll on a helm when you could just kill M Champ until you get your BIS helm

M Champion of the Light is easy

[rustic ether]

YOOOO PISTOLEERS SPAULDERS

finally can do 3/3 or even throw in a TTK

[mint peak]

I think I'd rather go 3EB 2SS 1TTK. I tried 3/3 and it felt kinda whack on some pulls

[halcyon falcon]

I have a galecallers and golden plumage, since they're both on use I incur the CD and can't pop both at the same time. I'm wondering which I should pop with vendetta? GP is a 2 min CD which lines up nice w Vendetta, but Gale I could use 2x in the same period... thoughts?

[real bay]

wouldn't use 2 use trinkets tbh

[sonic bridge]

2 on use trinks 🙅

[mint peak]

Swap the Galecaller's tbh for a non on-use trinket

[desert vault]

Getting ready to faction transfer, what is best for sin rogue?

on horde

[sonic bridge]

uh

troll?

troll or maghar

[halcyon falcon]

thanks..I just ran sims and swapped the plumage

410 galecallers > 400 + socket galecaller who'd have thought

[mint peak]

Bear in mind the plumage always give you the vers if you're hitting somethign whereas GCB will rarely get all full uses on a fight which is why it sims better

[halcyon falcon]

@mint peak for sure...the GCB simmed higher and it told me to use GCB and sadly 385 spyglass....I'll swap in the Plumage on movement when I won't get much use out of the haste

[drifting cloud]

use the plumage in raids

the 100 dps isnt worth the hassle when it totally backfires on 3/4 of the fights

[grave elk]

Just got a 425 murky cerulean signet. Crit and mastery. Does anyone use this ring for m+? I sim way lower then outlaw for m+ but this ring sounds really strong for aoe

[harsh sphinx]

yes its strong, i use it in my setup

[grave elk]

On my 2 415 pieces I have 0 eb traits and like 1 ss. So I can’t even hope to run sin for m+

[harsh sphinx]

indeed harder to get the right traits compared to law

[grave elk]

Yeah. I’m simming 32k for outlaw and only like 25k for sin in dungeon slice currently

[sonic bridge]

outlaw 😴

[harsh sphinx]

enjoying both sin def took a little longer to get the right gear for like you said

[rustic ether]

do you guys sim via dungeon slice?

is there a standard that most people use?

[bitter rock]

So I thought stacking shrouded and double dose was the best way to go but bloodmallet is saying nothing personal is the best

[rustic ether]

SS is outdated

welcome to the future OLD MAN

[bitter rock]

WHAT

I'm no old man

[rustic ether]

yeah SS is shit for ST

[bitter rock]

okay

[rustic ether]

i mean not shit but nowhere near bis

its NP/DD/TC

[bitter rock]

I want at least one though right?

[rustic ether]

you CAN

but a build with TB and Master assassin is really storng right now

where you build 3NP/3DD or TC mixed in

[bitter rock]

alright

cause I liked the extra combo points a lot

But whatever gives me more dps is cool I guess lol

and if I have to choose between np and dd which should I go with?

[rustic ether]

DD

DD is juuuussst above NP stacking

but make sure you at least get one NP

[sonic bridge]

Ss nowhere near bis?

[latent gazelle]

Maghar is best overall for raid, raidboss w/trash, M+ aoe

[sturdy python]

That’s with Exsanguinate . Makes SS better but not as good as Tb overall

[gleaming elm]

New to ass; am i energy starved secondary to low haste ?

[sturdy python]

Energy starvation is just something you need to get used to. Haste and proper play helps a lot with it

[drifting cloud]

youre not gonna notice the difference between 5% haste

[fleet whale]

Assassination is not a spammy spec like havoc or outlaw, it's more methodical and there is a bit of pooling

[drifting cloud]

its just how the spec plays

[fleet whale]

well, idk about that, having 8% haste compared to 23%... you might feel it a little bit

but tbh crit probably makes a larger difference in terms of feeling imo

[gleaming elm]

Makes sense, just completely diff from outlaw (as stated) ....Esp on openers will lust popped etc...

[fleet whale]

well, lust popped will make assassination play kind of fast

[strange python]

ight so ive got eb/ss on shoulders/chest now. should i roll for helm? only other m+ i have is crown

which is ttk/ss

[harsh sphinx]

was just in the same scenario. rolled on helm. got irontide EB / ttk or ss/ttk plus great for outlaw. think you need that or crowl for triple EB

[strange python]

triple eb is still godmode?

[harsh sphinx]

havn't tried it in a proper key yet but seem's promising. 3eb/2/1 gonna try that out. sims well for me

[strange python]

fucking rip, got fucking shrine helm for the 2nd week in a row

[harsh sphinx]

isn't that eb/ss?

[strange python]

hell no

er not shrine helm, siege helm i meant.

ttk/scent & np/met schem aka cya

[harsh sphinx]

unfortunate

[strange python]

🤷 yolo

can roll again if i dismantle 3 more azerites

k lets try this again

im not mad at all

flashpowder hood; ttk/eb

dope, so looks like 3eb/2ss/ttk for m+

[lapis quail]

would 3 SS be better then 2DD with 1 SS?

i know id have to sim but just curious

[strange python]

for what?

[lapis quail]

raid

[strange python]

2dd/1ss more than likely

obviously you know whats coming next hehe

[lapis quail]

yeh

just wanted to pick someones brain

lol

@strange python would you take 2 NP over 1NP and 1 TC?

with 2DD and one ss

[strange python]

i'm actually in that current scenario, where it's either 2np or 1 np/1BI

im personally taking 2np

[lapis quail]

the dmg output better then the strait agl you think?

you already sim it?

[strange python]

i have, NP sims a lot higher than TC for me

even with 3x TC

[lapis quail]

gawdddd

well thats good to know

ill try for raid tonight

[strange python]

not to mention there's a trick to TC, due to having to be above 50%

[lapis quail]

got a 425 juicy loop of pulsing veins with socket so i was outlaw decided fuck it ima go sin

ill sim out the 2 NPS

thanks

[strange python]

no problem!

[golden relic]

https://gyazo.com/a46f9c1a410bbc164c4ba8496ea0240d ML 19 , @primal gazelle how much is the HB life doing in comparsion, this is x3 TTK 2 EB

[primal gazelle]

yuck

not doing over 40k in ml? shame

😛

[golden relic]

[scenic quail]

Needs more outlaw

Do you run CT there @golden relic?

[golden relic]

No

[primal gazelle]

prob pb wit 3 ttk

[golden relic]

PB

i hate CT anyway, would never run it

big yike

[scenic quail]

1 ss?

[golden relic]

y

[red zealot]

Wish I ahd the traits to run Sin in M+

[primal gazelle]

just got hood of slithering loa

kms

[golden relic]

DDead shot swirling head

[primal gazelle]

last week i got

the high atrium helm

instant scrap both pieces

😦

[golden relic]

lmao

i got that head 3 weeks in a row fishing for a EB/SS head

im done

going for EB/SS shoulders instead now kek

[red zealot]

So for traits what would yall consider the best set up? 3 EB 3 SS?

M+

[golden relic]

depends what your aim for the dungeon is

[sick cradle]

According to Wowanalyser I shouldn't cast TB during MA, but according to the guide I should? What do

After Vanish in opener that is

[stable pine]

I would run 3xEB, 2TtK and 1SOB this week I reckon

Wait I mean 2EB, 2TTK,1SOB and 1 SS

[red zealot]

For me probably do least rather well on trash but also not dead last on boss fights

Sucks rerolling half the fight in mythic

[wary ice]

!opener

sigh

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[untold current]

Dont understand why NP is only simming good for 1 trait. Sim is saying Blightborne over 2nd NP

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hJe3hgEyXPNahP5CV3AG3M

[strange python]

holy jesus, 3eb/2ss/1ttk is absolutely insane

@untold current had the same thing happen with me. i don't like the "random" aspect of BI, so i'm taking that 2nd np personally.

[untold current]

I'm not enjoying the randomness either, might just switch it

[idle vigil]

Because second np doesn’t give energy

Np after 1 is pretty mediocre

[drifting cloud]

no its still good

blightborne is just a really good trait aswell

[cobalt gyro]

Blightborne gives an asston of crit

[lone junco]

metric asston

[spice surge]

Like 19%

A big asston

[ripe nimbus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wjRrx89WC2VM6TLg/#fight=last&view=rankings

guild just got rank 1 speed and execution for opulence..

god damn

[civic palm]

:3

w o o

[alpine pilot]

do we use Fan on 2targets as a generator if we hav echoing blades trait?

[idle vigil]

nope

[spice surge]

Yes you do

2+ with Eb
3+ standard
4/5+ with double dose

[civic palm]

Taken from the APL -

# With Echoing Blades, Fan of Knives at 2+ targets.
# Fan of Knives at 19+ stacks of Hidden Blades or against 4+ (5+ with Double Dose) targets.
# Fan of Knives to apply Deadly Poison if inactive on any target at 3 targets.
# Tab-Mutilate to apply Deadly Poison at 2 targets

[primal gazelle]

yay! only helm left to get

[alpine pilot]

NICE

[ripe nimbus]

what if u have 3 DD and 2 EB

THEN WHAT

[civic palm]

Top to Bottom O _O

Figure it out.

[ripe nimbus]

im pretty sure 3 DD > 2 EB at 2 targets to just mutilate

so probably not

[civic palm]

Depends on crit as well > _>

But in general.

[alpine pilot]

so if im using DD i want to use mut on 3 targets still?

[rustic ether]

youd rather not use DD

[civic palm]

The listing depends on whether or not you have Echoing Blades and/or Hidden Blades.

[alpine pilot]

Ah ok

[civic palm]

But given the flexibility of azerite now going into a raid you should probably have 0 EB.

[alpine pilot]

i had like, 2 dd and 1 Echoing blades on 2 target

so i was wondering

right,

[ripe nimbus]

u would Mut

[alpine pilot]

ye i figured that