Enough dps to kill the boss
#assassination
heavy skiff
Check logs and see.ur rankings
jolly spoke
okay. im just held back by the Rng gods. havent got much upgrades in my weekly nor raid. so its a bummer
tender quail
hi guys, I just re-sub my account, I toke a break after uldir and i'm kind of lost. What traits/meta I should aim for? Is DD/SS still good?
dark crag
Dd ss np are all good
tender quail
same shit like uldir ?
dark crag
Kind of but now you can have 6 traits
tender quail
lol wtf, x3 DD, x3 SS ?
tender quail
this is insane
dark crag
With 1 ss you go subter and without it, ma
tender quail
nice
I was checking logs... I saw only Shadow Priests and Warlocks at top ranks lol
dark crag
Yes
tender quail
last question, assassination is the best spec right now or it's depend on fights ?
dark crag
Depends on fight but overall its assa, outlaw is good too
Rastakhan is good for outlaw
Many assa play like 3dd 1ss 2np because you can cleave with opener/vanish garrottes
Bod is cleave heavy with the later bosses focusing more on st
tender quail
thanks man
exotic rampart
assass can do very well on most fights
outlaw is better on certain cleave fights
but if you want to save gold on azerite traits just slam assass
though the m+ build is a lot different
lament wagon
Can still run 3 ss, or just get az for an outlaw set and win
pale agate
between vendetta and NP, which is less bad for m+?
pale agate
err yes, brain fart
fleet whale
if i had a choice between the two for M+, i would go NP, because you do use vendetta on some trash packs, and it has some value in aoe
and it can also be nice for burst on bosses
inner pecan
Problem with NP is it will absolutely annihilate a single target in a pack
Which isn't always what you want
fleet whale
for this week though it should be fine though to do that
inner pecan
You also don't use Vendetta on CD in m+ so the trait loses value
pale agate
thanks for sharing your thoughts 👍
stone crescent
Anyone here actually mastery gemming as their ilvl goes up or are you just sticking with haste cause simcraft says it's a sidegrade?
strange python
anything in sidegrade is unimportant tbh
grave elk
So i can have 3 DD and 3 NP. but on my helm my sim says treach covenent sims higher then a 3rd NP. but on my buddy it def sims higher. any reason why it wouldnt for me?
grave elk
Oh .. so he must have higher haste then me for np value to be worth swapping
dark crag
Maybe
dark crag
Its all kind of factors not just haste
humble crane
Been away for a month overseas for field work. Been waiting for zandalari for ages. Can't believe they are so poo for assass 😰
fleet whale
racial dps doesn't matter all that much, if you really like how they look, it shouldn't be a problem being a zandy rogue
humble crane
1% is 1% though. Gonna be straight into jaina prog when I get home
Pretty sure zandalari is like 1% less than what I am. What am I going to burn my money on now 😂
fleet whale
not really, well, i guess if you are going for world top 10 maybe, but gear alone has made up that difference by this point, plus her hp got nerfed
humble crane
Yeah but the ranged in my guild are legit trash 😂
Melee carrying our guild in jaina for sure
fleet whale
but it's your money to spend, do what you will with it
humble crane
I wanna spend it but it's not worth the Dps loss =(. I'll just race change my shaman instead
honest iris
strange python
shrine
rancid bobcat
i dont think you take assassination even to those unless your outlaw set is just bad
fleet whale
i mean you could play assassination in any dungeon if you want to
fleet whale
but yeah, iron wire is great in shrine
rancid bobcat
top shrine runs are all still outlaw
not that bleeding edge can be applied to everyone
cobalt gyro
I take assassination to shrine/kr/temple
And every dungeon if there's already one outlaw and it isn't motherlode
ruby idol
I played around with a lot of assa the past 2 weeks trying to find where it fits. I think shrine and temple are def assa dungeons and then TD i think slightly favors assa actually but only very slightly
Fh kr and UR are about even between the 2 but outlaw shines in FH and UR because of gouge and more mobility
Depends a lot on having many sets for traits
Temple for example im running 3 ss 1 eb 1 np 1 blightborne and that makes assa pull very far ahead there
But then TD i run 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss, and shrine id run 3 ss 3 eb if i could, but i run 2 ss 1 ttk 3 eb cause thats what i have
cobalt gyro
Interesting to see that you agree on those three at least
I feel like if I had infinite gold and gear, I could run assa in ever dungeon but it's very difficult to have the traits for it
ruby idol
Ya i mesn 2eb 2ss 2ttk is pretty versatile if you want to only play assa
Fits decent everywhere
grave elk
I def like sin better there’s something great about fok into rupturing the whole pack lol
ruby idol
Its good enough that youre certainly not throwing by playing sin if its what you like
grave elk
With outlaw I feel like I just tunnel vision but with sin since I’m multi dotting I’m much more alert and aware of everything goin on. Sadly my sin sims like 6k less dps for dungeon slice then outlaw though
ruby idol
Even Atal and WC which i think are like perfect outlaw dungeons, sin can be just fine, albeit slightly suboptimal
cobalt gyro
atal is really only not a great dgn for sin because there's so many pulls with mobs that just melt
ruby idol
Just run heavy ttk and blast skyscreamers
grave elk
I’m gonna have to resim tomorrow for sin in m+ just got a new 415 helm 415 shoulders and I got the mekka chest
ruby idol
Take dungeon slice with a grain of salt imo
grave elk
Yea I’m still figuring out if simming as 4 targets 40 seconds plus patchwerk is just way to go and mix and match what you are aiming for. More st or need more aoe
ruby idol
Ya if you have to sim for m+ its best to do a variety of different kill times and target counts to better understand your stats and what traits shine where
Rather than how we sim for raid upgrades and trust in sims
Just too many variables in m+
Tho dungeon slice is a good start at working towards reasonably accurate dungeon sims
I just dont think its quite there yet and can be a bit misleading
grave elk
Yeah I just couldn’t decide how much I try to improve st dmg verse pumping more aoe
ruby idol
When in doubt favor aoe
grave elk
Yeah I figure if my setup hits 20k st sim. Then. I probably am fine
But then again highest dungeons I’ve done so far are 15’s so I’m sure it’s all relative
gilded sorrel
Anyone any data on best leveling loa buff for zandalari trolls who play assass rogue>?
modern isle
Hey peeps. at ish how many mobs is it worth to just spam FoK? with 2-3 EB
little sinew
Any advice on the trinket "Kezan Stamped Bijou" (385, +313 agi, 700 haste 12s on use with 1 min CD)? Can't seem to find it on the trinketchart.
fair blaze
@modern isle with these many EB stacks, you want to use FoK at 2+ target : )
inner pecan
@little sinew use it on CD
it naturally lines up with your Vendetta, nothing complicated about it
little sinew
From what I can tell it's about the same as Galecallers in terms of effect (slighty less haste and no speed buff), can that be correct?
inner pecan
It's basically a worse version of Galecaller's
But you don't get the positional requirement
fair blaze
You don't need to stay in it atleast 😄
inner pecan
Trinket is kind of irrelevant because it's not farmable at any decent ilvl
But it's good for new characters/alts for sure
modern isle
@fair blaze thanks 😃 is there a number of mobs where i stop using finishers then? where it gets more efficient to only spam fok for aoe?
fair blaze
Are you talking about raid scenario or m+ scenario?
scarlet hinge
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
modern isle
ah. only m+
fair blaze
In m+ scenario with 6+ mobs you can use CT as a finisher
Just spamming FoK>CT
in example when reaping comes you stop dotting mobs(you can dot one for energy regen) and you are just spamming FoK into CT, because CT intial dmg will do a lot of
modern isle
perfect! exactly what i wanted to know! thanks ❤
fair blaze
Your welcome
@modern isle Remember to Vanish while fighting 6+ enemies :D, because SS probably still will do more dmg than your FoK spam
modern isle
ooh! will do !
desert vault
wonder which is better for m+ the Razor leaf crit trinket or Spyglass ...
fallow estuary
strange python
hey, i just picked up my rogue alt so im kinda new but i looked up the guide and saw i should press toxic blade on cd but should i try to press it before Envenom? or does it not matter?
dapper moat
With jadefire as a ss gear sin, do you dot up all wall targers or only nuke one down ?
Before envemon
real bay
whatever you do don't vanish for the wall
I just rupture them and keep poisons
and focus one
heavy trail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5giYZskNvogrcPX7X9CDep
Aswell in the club wirhout blightborne
polar timber
is it worth multi dotting both bosses on conclave for energy regen
royal lantern
if you tank them close enough yeha
polar timber
kk ty
vast forum
i'm wondering if rupturing only before a TB for the extra energy for more globals in TB is worth it
heavy trail
Im on mobile atm, but i'd like to see if you can filter the energy gained gained from vw by the target on wcl
shadow bridge
Any excuse for a mythic raider playing rogue to use Prolonged Power?
strange python
No excuse.
hollow stone
"Its not progression and im broke". But they should be coughing it up for prog
blissful tide
Sell keys buy pots
fickle obsidian
fleet whale
potions need to have the required herbs reduced to make, 18 herbs for a single pot is ridiculous
and rng proccing doesn't count
strange python
Just switched to Assasination fro Outlaw and it appears as thiugh my stats are all out of whack. Does haste value typically keep increasing as you get more of it? My Survival Hunters haste value FAR exceedes every other stat and the gap widens the more haste I get. This is for single target btw
Haste is not something you want too much of in M+ as Sin
valid spoke
strange python
I was suprised to see that my single target dps sims for less when I switched to assasination from Outlaw. Figured maybe it was a stat issue since I have pretty low haste.
solid nova
Depends on more than that, have you got the sim?
stuck knoll
I mean Outlaw ST isn't as garbage as ppl assume it's just not got anywhere near the on demand burst of sin
(Sin will still come out on top once it's optimised though)
uneven summit
Everything points towards blightborne being alittle stronger than shown by charts etc, any info on this?
shy axle
it`s good. As well as DD/NP/TC and even SS (not optimal tough). Perfectly fine to use it
green vapor
any tips for mythic rastaman?
spice surge
The only parts where dps matters is genrally killing the first big dude before his second jump, otherwise your dps isnt very relevant and its better to play safe and not die
Which means running out when plague of fire comes (it can target melee on mythic)
@green vapor
green vapor
Yeah it's our second night progressing on him, thank you!
hallow coyote
Does anyone actually use Nightstalker?
fleet whale
as assassination? you shouldn't
hallow coyote
Yeah I can't think of a scenario in group content where I would want it over the other options
fleet whale
it's pretty much a dead talent right now, but who knows what the future holds for it
winter orchid
Rupture in pandemic with 4 or 5 CP?
bleak spoke
7.2s with 5 cp 5.4s with 4
Anything under that is fine as long as rupture doesn’t drop off
winter orchid
Thanks
naive cypress
Should I spec Outlaw for Opulence progress?
near pilot
I've been wondering the samething
sin gets guardian down better outlaw obv melts adds
depends on what your guild struggle with?
fleet whale
if you're on ruby duty Assassination is better imo
hallow coyote
FoK+EB ruled for the boss adds
near pilot
how many EB's? like is one enough?
smoky fiber
if youre on ruby duty i dont see how assassination is better than outlaw with its lower apm
pretty sure thats a wrong statement
bleak spoke
There’s no way sin is better with ruby
In a world where only you have ruby as a natural consequence of playing your rotation properly ruby will just fall off
fringe mist
!WA
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
shrewd robin
stable pine
Why ain’t any of the WA for garrote includes an empowered garrote? 😱
hallow coyote
Cause it's not hard to remember?
spice surge
Most of them do though?
dark crag
Ruby duty and/or add dmg outlaw, st boss dmg assa or even sub
shadow agate
So the new Dungeon Slice simming is really pushing crit over haste & mastery for sin. I was sitting around 24 crit, 18 haste, 36 mas. It's pushing me to numbers like 27/28 crit, 18 haste, 28 mas. Giving up nearly 10% mastery feels bad to me. Thoughts on this? Usually running 13-15 keys for reference.
dark crag
More crits, more cp, more finisher, more fluid gameplay
pastel vault
Dungeon slice was updated?
heavy skiff
Im at 35% crit 4 m+ xD
shadow agate
Just running the weekly from raidbots, not sure version number since it's not published in the drop downs.
hmmm... Maybe I'm over valuing mastery.
Thoughts on TB vs exang as well? Seeing this crop up more, and simming about 3% higher which is significant. Might have missed the memo on this swap?
heavy skiff
I use tb
This week im going with 3xttk too cause of tyr
3xttk 2xss and 1 eb
But normaly i go 3xeb 2xss and 1 ttk
Pulling reaping into some bosses with 3xttk feels rly good
shadow agate
Running PB over Hidden Blades? I've been messing with this more too, and a lot of folks yesterday were saying CT not really worth the CP spend. I still burst aoe really high with it, but currently have 3xSS 2xEB, 1xSB
heavy skiff
If.u get 3xeb HB is rly good on fort weeks
But on tyr i just go pb
Depends on dg too
shadow agate
Alright. Thanks! Def gonna test some things
modest badge
strange python
LADS
need help asap
what makes the gold on opulence increase in size
then go back small
is it a move i can look for on dbm?
cause i ran to drop my gold and died to it cause im special 😃
golden relic
surging gold
strange python
i dno
steep obsidian
bop or die
steep obsidian
its way too big to not proc cheat
pale agate
is it possible that I even though I do significantly less overall damage as sin than outlaw, somehow the group still gets through dungeons faster? I've been trying to get +15 timed on shrine/KR for like 2 weeks now as outlaw. got them both on my first try as sin.
i know it's a small sample size, but even in other runs I've felt that even though my damage numbers are way worse, the runs themselves don't feel any slower.
like, as outlaw I'm almost always #1 on meters, as sin i'm usually 2nd or 3rd. but a lot of my outlaw damage just has zero impact or value, it's basically just a race between me and the DH/demolock to see who can get their damage out quicker on reaping packs. I'm not sure if I actually save the group any real time by racking up numbers on big packs like that.
steep obsidian
it depends on your comp
shy axle
situation: 5 cp, TB comes off cd. TB - Env or Env - TB? read a discussion here if it is better to use TB with 5cp and waste the cp but gain but I forgot the outcome
steep obsidian
stacking huge aoe shouldnt be needed on tyr kr
even the reapings arent that big on kings rest
but if you have shitty cleave outlaw might be worth
pale agate
I guess I just never have shitty cleave, even though I only do pugs there's almost always 1 other pumping big numbers
steep obsidian
make sure everyone is potting on cd flasked food buffs scrolls etc i guess
but kr is a bit rough if you wipe its hard to salaage a key
heavy skiff
@shy axle tb then env
shy axle
thanks
heavy skiff
Np
heavy skiff
Cause that 30% on an env is rly big
And u spend energy on an env just before tb
So u also have less. Energy to spend inside tb
In the end the 1 or pot 2 cp are not worth
halcyon falcon
I came in late to the convo, but you're saying that if I have 5CP and TB comes off CD, use TB and then ENV
cobalt gyro
General idea behind
Tb On cooldown
You just use it, if you waste a cp at least you get a 5cp env
heavy skiff
U should try to set.up.every tb
So when u see tb comes off cd in like 10.sec or 5 sec
Start pooling energy try to set up.ur cp
So that u can get a good tb window
If y start tb with an env and.u pooled energy well
U can get 3 nice env in ur tb
pale agate
should TTK builds just ignore dungeon slice sims? it always tells me to replace my TTKs with EBs but that's not really the point of the TTK build is it?
shy axle
Just interested in how you are doing it, reading so much different ways. Inside % dmg windows (Vendetta/Tb) -> getting as much Env out as possible. Outside of it pool energy. How much do you pool? I am aiming at ~ 80/100 while not overwriting EP.
heavy skiff
I pool every time im gonna do a finisher
And i try to pool energy to almost cap before tb
So.i go pool env mut to 4/5 pool env mut ro 4 5
Sonthat ur mut get inside env and ep window
Get more dd procs and do more dps
And 4 tb i trybto set.it.up so that i pool almost full energy
strange python
yo btw
wtf do i do about the timing with the gold enlarging and me dropping it
on opulence
do i just drop the 2nd lot miles away from the first?
like leave 5 yards or something?
strange python
ty
civic palm
FFFFF
carmine solstice
*rework game again
heavy skiff
I miss legion sub rogue
heavy skiff
In legion i was like fuck dfa and the bugs
But now i miss it way too much
Never rly played wod xD so no idea
heavy skiff
Yep ur right
Richard sees everlything
Hey madve 1q tho
Why did u play outlaw over sin on mekka?
carmine solstice
because outlaw is more fun (?) than assa, assa is a resident sleeper
but on jaina we need "fix" damage and you need to move a lot, so assa > outlaw
because outlaw loses every dmg when you need to go away from boss
heavy skiff
Yep ok ty
pale agate
on M+ trash, with SS + TB + TTK, do you usually open ggg r tb env env? or throw a few more ruptures in there first?
stable pine
I usually have at least 3 rupts up depending on pack size and affix sometimes I have 4 up
pale agate
you get the 3 rupts up before using TB?
stable pine
No I use to TB as combo builder for second rupt
midnight yarrow
Hey guys, I've been looking for some info on when is the ideal time to use Galecallers Boon as sin... IDK if it's worth during the opener with lust... is it?
polar sparrow
Is the Exsanguinate build the best go to right now?
blazing kayak
i ahve 2 nothing personal 2 double dose and 2 shrouds atm. should i go toxic blade or exsang
also i wanna start raiding, are these options good? what should i set them to
spice surge
patchwerk, 1 target, 5 mins and nightly
For a singletarget sim
Which will answer your question, but almost certainly toxic blade
blazing kayak
what about subterfuge/master assassin?
ive seen that alotta rogues run master assasin in raid
lethal heart
with shrouded probably subterfuge
spice surge
If you have SS traits you have to use subterfuge
spice surge
Yes
blazing kayak
@spice surge my stats look like that when i put on all the gear it says was best
shouldnt my haste be way more and crit way more as well?
distant helm
those stats look alright to me, maybe switch a ring for a crit one if you dont have one eq already
im not how you guys do it but i usually just switch my rings around for stats if i want more of a certain stat, seems like the easiest way
distant helm
i assume thats for mythic+?
blazing kayak
nah for raid
i simmed myself for single target 5 minute fight and those are the stats i got
distant helm
i think people generally run a bit higher haste for raid, im personally running 20% haste, 35% mastery and 22 crit, 7% vers
but then again for fights like rastakhan running that high mastery is realy good
cause theres a lot of targets to bleed/poison
spice surge
Your stats doesnt matter much, especially for singletarget
you just take what sims the highest
And yeah, better stats will do more damage, but more ilvl is often better than perfect stats
spice surge
Well, you still take the ring that sims the highest
distant helm
ye
just meant socket rings 400 itemlvl often sim way higher than 420 rings without sockets
or with bad stats
grave elk
For master assassin i see some high end rogues are popping vendetta then building CP with a mutilate or 2. then tb then vanish envenom. thoughts on that for ur 2nd vanish use?
He is definitely using TB before his vanish pop
nimble tartan
Just gettin the cd rolling no point in delaying just for the vanish
golden relic
u pop vendetta on CD if you are gna use it no matter the CPs so
grave elk
Yeah but even at opener he uses tb before vanish
golden relic
only thing u have to hold is TB maybe for the vanish window
grave elk
i thought opener always tb after vanish
golden relic
and u will have it in the vendetta window anyway
nimble tartan
Usually pop vendetta after the initial bleed setup in the opener
nimble tartan
I do tb b4 vanish I prefer that play
golden relic
its not much of a difference
grave elk
yeah sorry i mean after garotte muti rupture thats what he does
my bad
i wasnt clear on that
also if i macro my trinket and vendetta together. do i need to hit it twice? or justo nce
golden relic
once
grave elk
ah ok. trying to work at dummy to work on figuring out how to pool energy before TB comes up
novel rapids
What did TB mean guys
fair blaze
Toxic Blade
river zinc
On Aoe with 3xSS 1xNP 1xEB 1xSoB .. Do I spread rupture after the first crimson to get my SoB stacks?
ruby oxide
Guild finally killed Mythic Opulence. Did okay with a ruby, no dagger or wrists though 😦
civic palm
w o o
hallow coyote
Finally!
civic palm
w o o
hallow coyote
It's not forged or anything but it's a huge jump up from a fuckin turtles trinket
civic palm
yeee
dapper moat
With mythic jadefire bombs, do u guys still put both bleeds on the bombs? As it feel that those bomb die quite fast after all.
rose loom
Never done the fight but if they're dying before your garrote can do anything meaningful you're probably best to just rupture for the energy regen and get back on boss keeping in mind the chunk of energy you get when the bomb dies so you don't overcap energy
rancid bobcat
Nah not worth it. Just make sure you have bleeds on the bosses rolling first
Unless your team is really slow on em
polar sparrow
Should I take Double Dose over Shrouded Suffocation if I have 0 DD and 1 SS already?
ember saffron
I think BIS trinkets are DICE from FH and the versaliti feather from King Rest right?
drifting cloud
thats the most common 2 people aim for yes
mild bison
Hi guys, is sin good for m+ and raid or should i switch outlaw?
solid nova
Yes for part 1, up to you for part 2, both are good.
round harbor
@river zinc to answer your questions from like 6 hours ago you don't take tempest.... Like ever probly.
I can't see a dungeon where I would want it over HB or pb
So in your scenario you would spam ruptures until your energy positive then for envm
Your really gonna wanna work on getting 3 eb though
fringe lily
What are peoples opinions of actually using galecallers over something like plumage or dice in BDA fights? I know it sims higher, but I find I cant always get full potential from it
round harbor
Exactly what u just said
drifting cloud
I ditched gcb, its probably only always better on 1-2 fights at max
round harbor
Same
drifting cloud
its too unreliable
round harbor
Plum u just macro to vendetta and forgot that you have it on
drifting cloud
ist not bad, its just not worth the hassle imo
fringe lily
Yeah, this is what I figured. Thanks for the thoughts
drifting cloud
theres still top logs with it, but its the minority
real bay
plume is so easy, can't bother with gcb
distant lava
inb4 you get 425 boon with socket
round harbor
I have a 410socket gcb that I don't use over 405 socket plume
strange python
hello lads
beginner question:
is there a downside to refreshing rupture/garrote on only 1-2 or even <1 sec remaining?
or should it always be at around 3-5 sec
bronze kelp
nope no downside
strange python
so the ideal is to refresh it basically with as little time remaining as possible?
0 ofc
solid nova
As long as you refresh within your pandemic timings its fine mate
lament dove
just refresh it anywhere in the pandemic window when it's good for you
vast forum
It makes no difference if you refresh at 0.1 or max pandemic
strange python
awesome, thanks!
worldly iron
if you have empowered garrotes you refresh when it falls off
vast forum
If you have any empowered bleeds you let them run out before refreshing
strange python
another thing, i am playing with twist the knife right now and masterassassin, if i am at 3-4 cp and got toxic blade coming up in about 3 sec, should i bank energy and tb -> envenom and waste globals or just go multilate -> envenom and then tb
with enough bleed uptime remaining and not capping energy only in that case
worldly iron
if you can pool energy for tb without capping that's good
don't mutilate at 4cp though
rugged jetty
stay be or go zandi ;/?
solid nova
Makes little to zero difference, personal preference.
ruby oxide
Big F for my buddy who just killed mythic opulence as a troll (->nightelf) and didn't know shadowmeld activated subterfuge
ruby oxide
That!
golden relic
opaque relic
So do u just use Shadowmeld followed by Garrote or is there more to it? I didn't bother to ever try it, because I thought there is just no way it will work in raid.
solid nova
Thats the only way it works yes 😄
The difference over the length of a fight isnt going to be massive either way
opaque relic
Wow what an important information, considering I'm gonna progress mythic opulence with my guild tonight :-D. Thank you
solid nova
I havent played Alliance for years so in terms of optimal use, I wouldnt know other than looking at the APL breakdown
It'll be a gain, but minimal
opaque relic
Every little deeps counts
worldly iron
human trinket 
cobalt gyro
Being able to vanish for damage and still meld mechanics is some busted shit
worldly iron
I wish I liked night elf the most 
would be neat with shrouded suffocation
minor, but neat
strange python
Meld with SS is massive in M+ tho
worldly iron
since it doesn't trigger subterfuge, is it really that massive for one target?
or can you restealth in m+? I'm not sure how shadowmeld works
misty shuttle
I restealth aft meld. Full reset
worldly iron
oh, that's dope
strange python
Aslong as you are not in an encounter. In other words bossfight or for example turtle in FH you can stealth with meld in packs and you get full subt
strange python
Allways if you stealth the moment you meld
misty shuttle
U explained what I ment
strange python
Even if you get out of stealth you still had a 0.01 sec "real stealth"
= you get subt
sturdy python
In bosses you can meld>garrote and get SS trait value on it
Just not subt empowerment
worldly iron
yeah, that was established, I just thought it was the same for regular ol' packs
still neat
or just human trinket any stuns 
strange python
I'm running TB + MA, should I be pooling for max envenom uptime or max EP uptime?
heavy skiff
U just want ep for when u are doing something
Its not worth to mantain 4 aa and bleeds
So pool and have ep up when u mut/env
Thats all
strange python
how much energy do you pool before tb
heavy skiff
As much as u can
As loong as u dont overcap energy
If u can pool almost a full energy bat do it
And using that u explain ur rl that u cant pick up ruby lul
river zinc
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spice surge
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pseudo finch
Ola, is there anyone that can offer me some help/advice on mekkatorq mythic 😃
worldly iron
stabby stab
currently progressing on him with 13% as the best attempt so far
he's way easier than I imagined
pseudo finch
ah we got him as low as a 3% wipe, but i got benched around 3 quateres of the way through because i trampled 2 people and it was apparently my fault
not saying it wasn't but would be great to get another PoV on what they think from the replay
worldly iron
oof, yeah we're struggling with a lot of people killing others with bombs and/or not standing in the safe zone
hurts to see
just stand still for a while after world enlarger and it's easy peasy
cobalt gyro
Trampling as in normal size or like being giant
worldly iron
you can cloak for buster, or shadowstep to him
I never trample people that way. if I'm big, I just move slowly but steadily, and I tank blast off if I have to
pseudo finch
1st time i was giant, 2nd time someone was small and i was normal
cobalt gyro
If you're giant ppl need to make way
pseudo finch
that the attempt, but im not sure if u can view the log
Basically im big, and i am to the right of the boss, holly pally is behind the tanks, blast off comes and i run to the corner away from everyone but i dont see the holy pally
cobalt pelican
generally as a rogue tehre's no good reason to move as giant
worldly iron
I hate being trapped by two ranged standing super close to me when I'm giant 
cobalt pelican
save cloak for the buster, tank with feint if you have to
pseudo finch
Holy pally is literally the only person withing even 10-15 yards of me
cobalt pelican
there's not really a good reason to be moving
trampling small people as a normal person is also kinda just.. hard to do
pseudo finch
but ya true didn't actually think of tanking with feint
cobalt pelican
you get a cast time for it, don't move? you get a warning for wormhole, don't move?
in an ideal world as a giant you don't have to tank anything but you won't die to a buster as a rogue and it's better to worst case have cheat death proc than kill people
pseudo finch
Aye, it was just a case of blast off came and being big i thought nobody else would move to where i was going to avoid dmg, but the holy pally ran there while the rest of the raid ran in the opposite direction to avoid
If it was my fuck up, then i fucked up nps, but just wanted a 2nd opinion
round harbor
Another thing u nay look into is 4 healing
We found that deeper into the fight there is a wormhole blast off combo that more than likely is just gonna kill like 90% of your raid
We are gonna make that change this week and hopefully kill h
pseudo finch
it was mentioned but RL said 5 healing for 1st kill is better
I also mentioned delaying lust in p3 by a few seconds so people with bombs can get better benefit
but they said they were waiting to long
round harbor
You typically want to lust as the fire from intermission are fading away
cobalt pelican
you want to enter intermission just after bombs are about to clear usually
what time that is depends a lot on your gruop
cobalt gyro
@round harbor we wiped to that combo at 1% 4 times
pseudo finch
When we were casting lust there was around 3-4 seconds until bombs were about to be cast
round harbor
Yeah it's rough. Same we have 3 zero percent wipes due to it
pseudo finch
so when the debuff when out 3 people would have to run away during lust
cobalt pelican
just get people to kms themselves on the overlap
and hope you have one person to clear polys
(with the bombs that is)
it's pretty lame though
round harbor
Or just 4 heal 😁
dark crag
Clear polys with bombs?
round harbor
I actually don't know lol
round harbor
monkaS
dark crag
1 bomb in raid is wipe
round harbor
How does one bomb the polys
cobalt pelican
not really no, but that's not what i meant
there's only one nasty overlap in the entire fight
and the bombs can kill themselves
and then if you have one person to clear the poly on the overlap the boss dies if there's even like 10 people alive
round harbor
Yeah but what we are saying is that isn't always as easy as that
Since knock up and polys are random
dark crag
Last bombs directly hide and suicide
solid linden
Hey any tips for getting a dagger? I did 23 times atal dazar and still nothing. I would like to learn assa but i have only 2 fists 385
round harbor
Is your lootspec set to assassination
solid linden
yes
solid linden
doing it, guess unlucky
weak socket
I still have a 370 GCB and 370 Harlans because rng hates me for trinkets. So yeah, just unlucky dude.
idle ember
I didn't get a max level GCB until the middle of Feb. Farming from the start. You'll get there. eventually
lost sentinel
I like GCB but tanks love to move the moment I pop it
dark crag
Yell "STOP Hammertime"
lost sentinel
it should be an animation others can see, so they know when it's up
lost sentinel
I got a 405 GCB, 400+gem loaded dice, 395 plummage, 395 sinister glad badge, 415 yulon (from raid)
yulon apparently does not sim well but I am curious how much it can actually put out
on 4 target dummies it hit for almost 40k
I guess that is pretty low overall
I have not had much luck with azerite armor for M+, I am still rocking the same pieces as like a month ago
3eb, 2sob, 1ss... it's not bad... but kinda want to try those TTK traits instead of SOB
or more SS instead of SOB
desert vault
I got an ivus with socket too but think spyglass is better still
Ttk over sob for sure
Ttk is really strong most weeks. I usually run 2x eb, as, ttk and maybe on fort weeks go 3x eb and drop an SS or something
warped gate
feint doesn't reduce damage from freezing tidepool on stormwall, is that correct?
cold saffron
if you talent elusiveness it does but i’m not sure about if you don’t
hollow stone
Just dont stand in the pools from sea swell. You should be dipping in and out right as sea swell is going out. You only take 2-3 ticks depending on how quick you are (1 if youre timing is toight). Shouldnt need to feint them and i recommend not running elusiveness since cheat can save you if you fuck up during boats or move too slow on a sea swell. Cloak certainly works tho, and you can vial instead of feint since the pool dmg is like 60k ticks or something which gives you tons of time to move
oblique smelt
what does MA Poison build opener look like with troll racial
warped gate
sure but dps isn't an issue for us so might as well use the energy to mitigate tidepool ticks if possible
heady loom
Does multiple SS, DD, and/or NP traits stack?
heady loom
gotcha thanks
gilded sorrel
Question, currently Iam leveling and using subterfuge in assassination tree
Do I garrote mutilate garrote till 4-5 cp and then rupture
To gain max duration buffed garrote?
On 1 target
mint peak
Yes
round harbor
I mean for leveling garrote mut rup is probly more than enough to kill any mob
mint peak
I assumed he meant in 5 mans levelling because yeah normal questing you're prob killing stuff in a few seconds anyways
storm pilot
u delay vendetta+vanish for first multi sided strike at jadefire?
spice surge
Depends on where you lust and your kill times
If delaying means you miss out on a vendetta cast then don't
idle vigil
Nah.
Never delay regardless of kill times
After first multi you get 1st transition and cats
You’ll never be focusing 1 target for 20s until a ways after 2nd multi
Ur second vendetta is gonna be right before second transition but it’s still worth using even if you only get 10sish on it
It’ll be up one last time, maybe 2 if ur dps is shit
dawn root
Would I be severely gimped running m+ without any echoing blades? I have lots of really good traits on my 415 azerite pieces for sin, but no EB. I'm considering trying it for some keys on tyrannical weeks, as I'm finding my boss damage is pretty inconsistent as outlaw.
round harbor
Uhh
On tyran weeks outlaw dmg is more sustained. And depending on the traits... maybe
But eb is so powerful I just wouldn't even play sin in dungeons with out it
dawn root
Ok just curious. I'll have to try and get some before I would test. I have lots of great 415 traits like ttk, ss, NP, DD etc, but no EB unfortunately haha
full pagoda
well I just simmed this cos I've got a new trinket from Torotollan's cache. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bvYMQLKcbuk31aE4ChhE4d
Do you guys think it'd be a good choice for certain situations with a lot of movement?
lone junco
I like the bijou. Cause it's hard to stay in the gcb circle.
full pagoda
Yeah and tbh I know it says 0.7 % dmg reduction
but there's almost not a single spot, besides on openers where you don't have to move more or less.
I meant -0.7%
lone junco
I wish I had the mongo crit trinkets. But it's what I have.
gilded sorrel
Gz @full pagoda
Question: sometimes mutilate gives me 4 cp. not sure if it’s because of mutilate only.
Anyone have an idea why?
spice surge
2/3/4
strange python
It is 2, 3 or 4
I’ve been playing outlaw for mythic + because why not it’s cake, but just wondering about Mut what are the go to traits? 3EB and 3SS or do we mix it up a little?
serene basin
yea you can mix it up a bit
you can mix in scent of blood, nothing personal, double dose even
its not bad to have a few mixed in, depending on what traits you have access to
spice surge
Twist is good, double dose is not
serene basin
well of course
but i'm not sure everyone has access to the perfect 3ss 3eb pieces
like I myself, do not
sullen pagoda
ye but DD and NP oof
strange python
Yer for that setup I have to drop a bit of ilvl on the Azerite down to a couple of 380 pieces
serene basin
so would i
like massively tbh
not going to take a 370 ss / eb, piece over a 415 (with dd/ ss) for high keys
glacial steppe
CT in Freehold this week? Setup is Rogue, Owl, DH
gilded sorrel
When do you FoK? How many targets you multi dot with garrote/rupture 3-4? After that FOK?
sonic bridge
golden relic
np can be thrown into m+ gear abit , higher tyran keys , a few people have dabbeld in it
like KR
or temple
wary ice
I've been 3dd 3np because i enjoy being a burden to my friends in temple / KR
stable pine
Lol
wary ice
they asked me to 🤷
stable pine
The ST must of felt good thought aimrite
wary ice
yeah i mean its exactly like raiding except the trash parts instead of being cheery jokes is mostly just a lot of frantic stress and ruptures
for like
34k
I dont think I'd recommend it; but for hard boss tyr weeks in comps with naturally large AoE damage, i dont think 1 NP is out of the question
something like 3ss 1 eb 1np 1 filler i can see being good on something like Tyr Temple/KR
in basically any other dungeon i think you really want 3eb
nimble tartan
My ass was pocket typing
dire dragon
So I read the assassination guide and im not really sure when i should be using either TB or exsanguinate, Could someone please explain it to me
sturdy python
Youll usually use TB pretty much always except maybe M+
dire dragon
Ok, thank you
swift prism
It sims higher most often, but I think it comes down to preference in regards to playstyle tbh
cobalt gyro
Even m+ tb isn't awful
At least when I simmed exsang and TB didn't affect my damage at all
swift prism
Like, I personally hate TB, and I use it only when there's more than a 1% difference in the sims
Exsang is my go-to because I like the playstyle better
And what I find is that I outdps myself using exsang over TB anyway, because the playstyle jives better with me
😄
So feel it out for yourself and practice both
atomic saddle
Can anyone link me a good explanation when to use Shrouded Suffocation and when Echoing Blades?
vestal wren
!azerite
atomic saddle
!azerite
civic palm
G G
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vestal wren
moroes beeing lazy, i see
civic palm
A little slow on the uptake even.
atomic saddle
Still not sure when to use Shrouded suff and when Echoing Blades become better, can anyone clarify?
lone junco
@atomic saddle SS requres restealth. EB can mass cleave on mongo pulls.
if you are pulling single packs SS will do very well. if you are pulling big, or chain pulling EB does well.
EB requires crit.
ss only dmgs up to 6t. max.
golden relic
depends on the dungeon, alot of trash = EB , less trash = SS , if u want a simple answer
lone junco
if your tank is a bitch and pulls pack by back SS is great.
atomic saddle
So for freehold +12 EB will pull ahead I guess
lone junco
if you need help with reaping EB.
basically. the meta is 1ss. 3eb and 2ttk. or a variant thereof
1ss lets you get triple silence garrote and some good boss dmg. 3eb cause 100k fok cleave.
atomic saddle
Thanks got a much clearer picture of it now.
lone junco
one of our tanks, starts running off at 15% throwing shield at the next pack. if I were 3ss, I would drive to his house and hit him with a fish or something.
restealth is required.
eb helps with that
atomic saddle
definitely appropriate reaction I must admint ;D
atomic saddle
would prob burn his house, too
swift prism
Yeah, so you could have cooked fish.
dark crag
When they do that i ask them to stop, if they don't after 3 times, i just leave
strange python
i can't play sin in m+ because tanks refuse to have me in mind when they pull
swift prism
Yeah I tried that one time - asked my tank to stop.. the healer then spoke up instead and said "we only stop if I need to drink - you're just a dps"
strange python
oh yikes that's an instant quit from me
swift prism
I was like ... okay then you can heal more since my dps will be low as fuck
strange python
bye key
strange python
he deserves it anyway
swift prism
True
dark crag
Then it is even more stupid
swift prism
Agreed
strange python
this tbh
swift prism
He's like the "key czar" in our guild though. There are a number of us that are capable of high keys, but he is one of the only healers, so he has somewhat of a monopoly if we want to run a guild group
dark crag
Next time he does that answer " is that so? /leave / gquit
swift prism
lol
dark crag
They render in the best case 3 azerite traits worthless
cobalt gyro
@strange python just play ttk build so reastealths don't matter
or be a nelf i guess (^:
strange python
never
vestal wren
your st is worse then subtlety's
and ttk doesent even provide that insane st increase
lone junco
😐
harsh sphinx
just get more sockets 
civic palm
😐
vestal wren
this was the iffrence in koji's sim coming from ss (prio damage)
koji works to improves it still iirc (and ttk is not very high on the list)
cobalt gyro
ok so opening with 9 subt garrotes in m+
lone junco
does that assume enough targets to fok env fok env. on top of tb
cobalt gyro
is nuts
lone junco
3 vanish 3 meld 3?
cobalt gyro
yes
lone junco
the meld 3 is discount though
lone junco
full stealth
cobalt gyro
yes
vestal wren
iirc its with a lot of enemy's
lone junco
neat
lone junco
still slower than fokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokf
vestal wren
not sure if melt allowes stealth in the sim
lone junco
neat.
civic palm
It's only present in the Dungeon Slice IIRC so probably doesn't account for meld on bosses and on trash.
vestal wren
ye for that sim def. not as it has more targets up for the fight
cobalt gyro
kidna busted
civic palm
FoK | ENV also doesn't require 200 targets.
vestal wren
ye
civic palm
IIRC the dungeon slice sims NE so well because it allows effectly a second Vanish with Meld+Stealth.
Which is accurate, but I do not know how well it uses Meld.
vestal wren
i am not sure tbh
cobalt gyro
also means you can be a bit more flexible with vanish uses
vestal wren
mystler was saying it does, so you right
civic palm
👌
round harbor
Chain pulling is just bad in general imo
Like sometimes good but other times shit tanks chain pulling when a low hp mob has like 60k hp
Getting a full stop so all dps can prepot and healer can drink again is massive
primal gazelle
Chainpulling for outlaw = no prepot, no fishing for good buffs before next pull, no letting bf recharge
round harbor
You get to use vanish as a prepot tool in outlaw which is nice, but not chain pulling a sub 100k mob is better
I understand in ml though when u got a 4m how peacekeeper u just drag around.
cobalt gyro
in m+ you never wanna be fighting just 1 mob
tho in some cases ya just finiush it off
umbral fiber
Any1 already lowkey figured out if any of the items in the new raid gonna be good?
solid nova
Nope
civic palm
Yep :3
obtuse gazelle
Did you run Sin to level/quest?
civic palm
Ye
bleak spoke
@cobalt gyro did you switch to nelf from void elf hehe
cobalt gyro
ye
bleak spoke
ugh i'm jealous
cobalt gyro
y
civic palm
Because he's tall?
tender frost
is it worth having 2 stacks of double dose? or should I get rid of one for shrouded suffocation ?
civic palm
Good for Raids, bad for M+.
tender frost
I have zero SS ... just wondering how valuable it really? azeritepowerweights scores double dose a 10 and SS like a 1.5 or something
DD is good for raids?
civic palm
Yes.
hallow coyote
DD rules in raids, 3 of them are among the best possible ST combination
round harbor
That scores thing is no where near accurate
tender frost
explain.
round harbor
Traits have different synergy with different stats that you have, and different azerites/talents that you may have or use
tender frost
well DD affects poisons and SS affects bleeds.. so basically the same shi.
I'm mastery heavy.
like39% lol
trying to get my crit up but seriously feels impossible.
crystal vessel
Can you evasion Coin Shower?
crystal vessel
Its physical damage.
marble hemlock
honestly no idea. theres not that many physical spells anymore that you can actually dodge with evasion
my gut says no
crystal vessel
I am pretty sure it works. I used it once. I dont know if I had an external or not.
Ill check and see.
marble hemlock
would definitely be good to know
civic palm
It's a big fat no, IMO.
marble hemlock
most physical spells cant be dodged anymore, only one i can think of is last boss motherlode, when he smashes onto a pillar
would be nice to have atleast some value with evasion 😦
civic palm
Cannot miss
Though I suppose MISSING is different than DODGING.
So.
Probably the same though. Physical Immunities work, nothing else.
ruby oxide
Quick question. I got on MDI servers playing Outlaw, but I want to try assassin for M+. What's a good baseline 6 primary traits to try? 2x SS, TTK, EB?
civic palm
Depends on comp mostly.
coral meadow
prob 3 EB an SS and like NP/TTK/TC
civic palm
But that seems fine.
marble hemlock
ttk is more of a highkey setup when you need prio damage
MDI will mostly be speedkeys, where 3EB will rule and probably 3SS as well
civic palm
If you are ST then 3xEB | 3xTtK , if you are not sure SSx3 | EBx3
Fucking just run 2 | 2 | 2 > _>
round harbor
Just run 6 eb tbh
civic palm
Tape 2 SIN Rogues together, back to back.
harsh sphinx
how many sockets you up to seli
winter moss
in a two target situation, toxic blade with 1 ss trait, stacked light movement, what would be the perfect opener? garr A, garr B, rupt a/b, mut, mut, rupt a/b, mut, vend, tb, mut till 4cp, env ... continue ST rot?
civic palm
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winter moss
@round harbor well doesnt help me at all, appreciate the effort tho
upper oyster
Does Nothing Personal stack and if so which part x-x
worldly iron
yes, damage
winter moss
low junco
simming is the answer
low junco
there are tutorials on youtube on how to use the site
its pretty easy
once u get what u should do
dawn sentinel
Does scent of blood ever see any use at all for m+?
dawn sentinel
ok so is 1 TTK better than 1 Scent even if im rocking 3 EB and rupturing 3-4 mobs in aoe?
sims showing TTK better than scent even on aoe
fun times
heavy skiff
Any mix between ttk eb and ss is.good
vast forum
Cpm counts muti as 2 casts iirc
atomic saddle
What is the opening rotation for assa in M+ on big pulls? 3x SS garrote then 1x Crimson Tempest for AoE dot and then FoK until 3x Rupture and then continue spamming CT?
golden relic
garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 3
distant helm
Depends on your azerite traits
atomic saddle
The basic question is do i always try to get 3 ruptures up in AoE situations and keep garrote rolling on cd so I always have enough energy or do you switch from multibleeding to spamming Crimson Tempest earlier?
worldly iron
p sure you only keep CT dot up and refresh when it's about to fall off
otherwise you just FOK
(with EB)
strange python
is CT even worth it in m+ anymore?
worldly iron
I run PB so I dunno
atomic saddle
Wait so u just use CT for the debuff, not for the initial damage?
and fok instead?
distant helm
Same
worldly iron
you blast with EB anyways
strange python
although pb is rng i still find it better than CT
worldly iron
CT doesn't even give energy regen so it's better to get a few ruptures up instead
atomic saddle
yea but its an AoE dot that does quite some damage, just not sure how good a 5 cp CT is compared to a FoK with 2-3 EB
vast forum
If you have eb traits, ct is not worth running
worldly iron
you get a chance to proc a PB on every rupture
so it evens out
and yeah, EB is enough anyways
vast forum
Pb or even hb is better than ct
atomic saddle
I it worth to drop CT even with 2 EB traits instead of 3 then?
atomic saddle
Alright thank you guys for the insight, helped a lot
natural logic told me 5 cp spender must be stronger than a builder, BfA proved me wrong :^)
vast forum
It's not weaker than fok probably
But adding pb proc to envenom, which you want to use on a prio target is more effective than just spam aoeing
Also pb has st value, unlike ct
atomic saddle
yea its pretty hard to math it out but you have a lot less ramp uptime when not using CT because you can use your cp on rutpures that increase your energy regen for more FoK and even better Scent of Blood uptime (if you have it)
vast forum
Pretty easy to math out that envenoming a prio target will save you more time than spam aoeing with ct
atomic saddle
Hidden Blades is not a thing compared to PB on Fortified weeks?
leaden scroll
Hello guys ! Could you tell me if there is any situation where a second NP if better than a third DD even though energy regen from NP do not stack ?
sturdy python
Single target where it will die shortly after vendetta ends is probably the only situation I can think of
vast forum
Single target 25 second fights
pastel crow
Hello guys, What trait is best for m+/raid atm?
night vale
stable oxide
I have 2xEB 3xSS and 1xTTK for M+
Works pretty well for me
But I think all the big boys go outlaw anyways :P
spice surge
Not really
spice surge
Depends on what else you have obv, but a standard dice/spyglass will be better
winter gale
dice and deadeye?
strange python
Yes dice and Deadeye with high crit is very good
spice surge
Assa and retri are very different, retri only does damage during their cooldowns. Assa essentially has no cooldowns and just do good damage all the time (for aoe purposes)
real bay
I'd rather have good sustained aoe than big and after cds nothing
Doesn't take that much time to get garrotes and rup
I mean we have decent burst too for prio targets
while doing some aoe
with no cds really needed
y
fluid mist
Hello good people. i have a question. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vubCoc4Ku8qp1krFRsM7Xr Looking at my current sim i feel like i am pretty low considering i have a pretty good setup regarding my traits and ilvl? Do you guys have any suggestions on where to improve my gear/traits?
spice surge
Your azerites are decent. But you should ditch the SS trait on your helm for DD and specc MA
mint peak
25k at 410 seems right but you should take DD on helm instead of SS
spice surge
Just keep buying shoulders/chest and hope for gorak/ceph
fluid mist
Yeah i just like the ss/subt feeling of the spec so much better.. 😛
But would it make a big difference if i went for 3x dd and MA?
let me sim it.
spice surge
and well, ilvl is a poor indication of how much damage you should be doing
desert vault
Hmm hmm, what traits for M+ this week ...
serene basin
ss, sob, eb - shouldn't vary too much
or you know, just play outlaw because it's fort/bolstering
desert vault
I did 2x eb/ss/ttk last week might switch to 3x eb, 2x ss, 1x ttk or something
serene basin
i only have 2 eb, so if you have access to another 1 alongside 2 ss
i can imagine that feels super good
so the latter combo would be 👌
i think i'm playing outlaw this week tho omegalul
desert vault
I only play sin, so just have to make due. I do have a 3x eb, 2x ss, 1x ttk build with two 415 pieces so will prolly rock that
spice surge
Same, but thats because im gonna DE all my assa m+ gear so i can buy my gorak tul shoulders for raid 😃
then refund them in a week or so when i've gotten the weekly redisuum ^^
fluid mist
eleem why would you focus so much on the gorak tul shoulders if i may?
atomic saddle
When you play 2xSS, 2xEB, 2xSoB, how to you spend your CP on a huge pull like 10+ mobs? Do you just Rupture X targets and keep spamming FoK instead of using CP or is it still worth dps wise to envenom or keep rupturing?
fluid mist
They have NP and DD right?
wanton pond
fluid mist
hmm i'll look into it.
spice surge
Simming about 1% higher than jadefire shoulders
But jadefire shoulders doesnt have overwhelming so they're not too good anyway
fluid mist
I was under the impression btw that the gore splatted chest was the best one to get from the vendor?
spice surge
It doesnt have overwhelming power
fluid mist
Pretty overwhelming trait that one hehe
desert vault
DD+BB is running better than DD+NP (stacked NP)
desert vault
I always forget how much better overwhelming is that everything else
spice surge
Its only slightly better than everything else in that row on jaina, which is the worst fight imaginable for op
serene basin
@atomic saddle you mean for like reaping?
spice surge
Or well, overall, gutripper is obv better for p3 dmg
crisp shard
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/npu1tWGqizfkvQS2738gJT @fluid mist
What I've found, would want overwhelming on shoulders aswell but Gutripper is fine for p3
atomic saddle
@serene basin yea exactly
desert vault
I'm not really raiding much, so focusing more on decent M+ gear if I can get it. I'm just filling on a few bosses for my group cause of my schedule. Trying to get my 415 weapons and that is about it.