Yo when playing MA do you wanna refresh bleeds when vanishing or envenom? 
#assassination
brittle idol
vestal wren
lightforged are suprisingly strong
bold hearth
that's actually a pretty significant difference in dps for races
vestal wren
from herodamage
ripe nimbus
1%~ is not "significant" by any means
royal lantern
let people think that they do more dmg by paing money for a race change instead of optimizing gear 🤷
bold hearth
If those numbers are right changing from kultiran to VE would net me more dps than going from a 380 galecaller to 400
i would call that significant
ripe nimbus
royal lantern
allright
strange python
.3% dps upgrade, im so spending money on that! oh 😭
royal lantern
first of all, velf racial sims good, but is not that great in reality because its a %dmg increase PROC, wich means it can and will be active for bad situations/downtimes too
vestal wren
arnt race changes 30% off or so?
ripe nimbus
Yes
royal lantern
2nd, i can gurantee that you will do more dps by actually playing better then switching races....like really, play wath you wantg, but paying money for a small ''increase'' that will not even happen is just ridicolous imo
bold hearth
Why wouldn't you want to do both? It doesn't have to be play better or get a race change.
I get it not everyone needs to min max.
strange python
I was playing in the top20 guilds these days, id race change to the best. Otherwise i wouldnt spend money on that. If im being honest.
If i was*
ripe nimbus
Do wat u want. Waste ur money if u think its worth. Its ur money muh dude
bold hearth
I'm not even spending real money lol
vestal wren
just do m+ carry runs and buy tokens, so you can spend somone elses money
ripe nimbus
Money means currency muh dude
bold hearth
I spent an hour doing M+ carries to pay for the race change.
ripe nimbus
Time has value too.
golden relic
i think you are all missing the bigger picture here
the question is
can we use zandalari glider in m+
ripe nimbus
Yes
golden relic
then that settles it
ripe nimbus
Not sure where u would find a use for it tho
golden relic
Im hopeful someone will find smth good, an eye of azshara glider skip again would be nice
royal lantern
they would remove that tbh
a skip only 1 specific race can use the makes content world's more easy?
golden relic
ofc they would remove it
royal lantern
nvmd, horde has belf
golden relic
doesnt change the fact that u have time to use it if its not pre nerfed and not useable in m+ already
royal lantern
(its a joke)
odd hatch
cant you glider skip to first boss on shrine? I feel like I saw some dh do that in the mdi
icy ember
so where is zandalari gonna fit on the race chart? anyone know?
granite mason
🔮
lucid dock
SS over DD in m+?
I don't know whether to go just for boss damage or whether to spread aoe/st traits
vestal wren
@winter moss just realised lightforged drainai cant be rogues
winter moss
as i said, just messing around with races
grave elk
Boys kul tiran is my thing... watch my belly pull better m+ numbers
wary ice
why are kt humans allowed to play the non outlaw specs?
grave elk
Lol
yeah ive just been wanting a kul tiran since they were announced. could care less about the racials. wish i liked them. but dont care they r pointless basically
golden relic
only thing thing Kts are gonna assassinate are themselves with heart failure for being so obese
grave elk
LOL
winter moss
but @vestal wren lightforged is only based on the active racial
everything else is just garbage
ripe nimbus
So ive confirmed undead racial scales with UH dk mastery. Which means highly likely zandalari troll bleed racial will scale with sin rogue mastery! Could be pog
bleak spoke
oh jeez
latent gazelle
4% crit for 12 sec could be good for M+
bleak spoke
honestly not too impactful imo
primal gazelle
Gimme dat
round harbor
1SHOT 1 KILL ON HELM
primal gazelle
Oh servers are up?
primal gazelle
All 415?
primal gazelle
alright moment of truth
kms
literally the most useless piece
high altitude turban
😦
literal trash for all 3 specs
pastel vault
How's zandalari simming ?
ripe nimbus
Its not
pastel vault
Dang
unkempt shoal
What do u mean ? @ripe nimbus
unkempt shoal
Ah okay , thank you Richard
solid nova
#tc-updates Likely for when its out
ripe nimbus
I mean they are not simming because they arnt simmable right now 
frozen karma
why weren't they simmable on ptr tho?
sturdy python
TCs don’t tend to put things into simc until it’s final
ripe nimbus
Its also a very minor thing. If u like zandalari troll go zandalari
wary ice
@primal gazelle I got that on my first 415 roll :^(
going to try and replace it this week
wary ice
I'll be rolling my 4th this week if i added correctly
primal gazelle
i should be able to roll again next week
wary ice
Are you still doing M+ as ass?
primal gazelle
ya
visual quartz
Rolled for shouldrs, got gorak tuls 😄
primal gazelle
dayvanie-area52
wary ice
❤
primal gazelle
oo i actually like the new portal room
rugged jetty
anyone going zandi?
wary ice
@primal gazelle how mandatory do you think 3eb is?
primal gazelle
depends how much you care about pumping meters
wary ice
I've always felt like if you're running 3eb u should just run outlaw
but i recognize that as a very defeatist/short sighted idea
I figured m+ azerites would look more like 3ss/1ttk/1-2EB
primal gazelle
up to your playstyle then
wary ice
Right now my playstyle is pretty pidgeon holed into 3xDD MA
:^(
though i will say im enjoying the change of pace
(for raid, been outlawing in M+)
primal gazelle
Considering making an udk alt
golden relic
same fam
primal gazelle
Their aoe makes outlaw look like shit
golden relic
but then i log DK and realize how boring it is
primal gazelle
looool
copper kestrel
Do yall change traits/talents between raid bosses?
I'm rocking DDx3/NP/TC/TtK with MA as it sims patchwerk best for me.
Wondering if I should be picking up Sub over MA for fights w/cleave (champ, jadefire, grong) Esp if I can sub out TC or TtK for SS (need to look at my offgear)
fleet whale
So FoK generating a cp when hitting nothing went live
i submitted to the bug report like 3 weeks straight, i wonder if it's intentional
sturdy python
Does CP reset on boss pull?
clever thicket
No
lone junco
Cold 5cp env open. 👌
thin patio
CP does reset to 2 on boss encounter
lone junco
Weird choice.
thin patio
But you can always be the first to open 😄
latent gazelle
CP?
thin patio
Combo Point
latent gazelle
Oh
soft island
Hello fellow roguians. Long time no see. Came back after long break and was wondering if the bug with SS trait has been fixed?
vestal wren
its fixed for a long time now
visual quartz
whats the proc chance on BB?
spice surge
BB?
visual quartz
yeah SS bug was fized in early oct lol, Blightborne
spice surge
1rppm
forest beacon
Lmao this Fok bug means with 1 SS garrote, can get that sexy 5 pt rupture up immediately. Get ready for insane openers boyz
soft island
when I get some mace/sword/first I will do that!
mystic charm
I see alot of rogues on jaina with twisting knife(Cephaloide Jacket). I wonder is this chest superior to Mekkatorque chest? Its possible the mekkatorque jacket didnt drop for them i guess.
soft island
fist*
sturdy python
Cephalohide is bis st chest
Because of OP being the third trait
Not because of ttk
Of course depending on your setup it could vary but that’s normally the case
mystic charm
y, i was thinking maybe chilling touch might affect the effectiveness of OP
sturdy python
Maybe, not sure how badly it would mess with it
mystic charm
Fair, will stick with Mekka jacket for now, and keep cephaloid for memelaw in m+
chilly elm
is zandalari good dps race?any numbers out yet?
crystal vessel
I’m looking for their bleed damage. Lol my math isn’t correct
lost mist
Hey! what do u think about this? Herodamage and Bloodmallet says that i should use 3x DD and 3x NP, but Raidbots says that 3xDD 2x NP 1x BI sims better 😮 halp! (All items are 415)
vestal wren
yes bling is good
lone junco
@lost mist you are reading the charts wrong.
Just because 3x np is a longer line, doesn't mean that 1 or 2 np aren't also good with another single trait.
obsidian ruin
@lost mist u cant spend all the energy so that component of the trait becomes worthless at some point
lone junco
Tldr. Use raidbots. Cause the gear you have and stats matter.
There are cases when 1trait is worth a lot. And the other two are worth less. But still makes the longest 3x stack.
lost mist
@lone junco check the right side of the image, 1 stack of BI is a 3.93% increase, 3rd stack of NP is a 4.43%
i know a longer line doesn't mean that is a better dps choice, but if the skyblue line is shorter than the green one of the other trait?
longer*
strange python
if i wanna parse on first boss in BOD how i do it ? go leave dots on the adds on start and jump to boss ?
or how would u guys do it
lone junco
So the sim is showing you a different result than the charts?
That's the whole point of simming your gear over the standard profile. 🤷
ripe nimbus
Can someone who is zandalari test if the bleed loa is scaling with our mastery
lost mist
@lone junco yes! the sim is showing me that i should use 3-2-1, but chart shows a different thing, 3-3 (because is showing me that the 3rd stack of NP is better than the 1st of BI)
lone junco
Crit is good. And Bbi is big big crit.
lone junco
That's exactly why we sim our gear. Charts let you know what to shoot for. Or what is garbage.
rugged jetty
does anyone know how zandalari will be for sin?
rugged jetty
working on myth jaina and kinda tired of BE lol
ripe nimbus
It wont matter switch to zandalari if u want
rugged jetty
yea lol was rocking t3 on female to see what it looked liked looked slick but didnt try male
lone junco
But I'm still undead. I clearly dgaf about mog.
rugged jetty
my oldschool mogs would look good on undead undead male with deathdealer o.o
lone junco
I wear Druid dress. My kid picked it out.
Has less holes than other stuff.
Anyway. No troll data yet.
Will be a post in Tc when there is.
rugged jetty
sounds good
strange python
why do pppl use master assassin in mekaa and stormwall instead of subefuge ?
ripe nimbus
5 day cooldown on switching Loa so dont get jebaited
coarse quartz
so what loa are we going to use for max dps
strange python
loa ?
coarse quartz
strange python
ic
lost mist
@strange python Because MA is simming better in ST
coarse quartz
not many adds to abuse x3 garrote with shrouded suffocation
plus double dosex3 and the vendetta one are extremely strong single targ
so it starts us out with the crit loa
so im gonna stay on that until sims come out i guess
since its 5 day CD
strange python
it works on raids and m+ ?
red plaza
yes its the class racial
strange python
for trolls ?
red plaza
yup z trolls
strange python
quess i gotta race change
muted jacinth
has a low ppm doesnt it?
strange python
what othre goodies there are ?
coarse quartz
thats it
theres loa's for other classes like healers and tanks
but dps wise thats it for us
strange python
how about embrace of bwomsamdi ?
am i looking some wrong stuff ?
Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal [Attack power * 0.22 * 1 * (1 + Versatility)] Shadow damage and heal you for 100% of the damage done.
coarse quartz
oh yep that too
strange python
Your damaging abilities have a chance to cause the target to bleed for [(Attack power * 0.075 * 1 * (1 + Versatility)) * 3] over 6 sec. This effect stacks up to 3 times.
isnt this good too
so basically 3 goodies to choose from ?
red plaza
vers is pretty low on the stat totem pole for assassin
strange python
yeah thats true
sick cradle
Why is Cephalohide Jacket so low on sims if it's the best st chest?
short pivot
Hello, so i switched to MA after its outsimming sub/ss by around 500 dps. Can someone plz take a look at my logs and help me improve? Thats a social hc run and rasta is my team killing me off in the beggining on mc, thanks a lot all feedback highly apreciated
Oh and char is Romchik
strange python
was there any huge changes for assassin tomrrow ?
ionic arrow
how do assa play against big trash groups what is the roation, I feel like I always do low dmg. On reaping I spam fan of knives and ct. all dps do more dmg than me.
vestal wren
there was no change at all for rogue
strange python
outlaw got 50 more energy for adrealine ^^
and assa got atleast crippling to wound/deadly poison ^^
chrome karma
we got any idea what loa is bis for zandalri
strange python
prolly crit
lunar whale
Could anyone help me comparing myself and the top dps rogue in my guild (traits, talents etc etc)
Don't know what's the problem tbh, it also may be the timings
hollow matrix
@lunar whale link somethin 😛
stable pine
Is there something wrong with my phone but you got outlaw traits on?
lunar whale
Nope, should be the right traits for assa. I did have a wrong helm on the fight- got reminded by my gm....
stable pine
The log you linked have you using outlaw traits probably from the helm
fleet whale
i got 410 harlan's from the chest today, so that is pretty nice i guess
hollow matrix
@lunar whale Your Zandalari ring needs better enchant, your pants' agility gem should be swapped to haste gem, and make sure you sim with quick/masterful wep enchants - since you have crit trinket and not all that much mastery, the masterful wep enchant could be better than deadly/crit one you have on
2nd look, the enchant might not be as impactful as u have a lil more mastery than i first thought, but worth a sim at least
lunar whale
I'll def sim myself again. Thanks for the effort helping a bad rogue ❤
wary ice
has anyone confirmed whether or not Mastery increases Kimbul's bleed?
strange python
did they buff champs lol?
arctic harness
Your damaging abilities have a chance to cause the target to bleed for [(Attack power * 0.075 * 1 * (1 + Versatility)) * 3] over 6 sec. This effect stacks up to 3 times.
hollow matrix
@lunar whale Your chest is holding you back for sure, as it is not ideal at all - but you are probably gonna get more dps using a 3rd double dose instead of the SS trait tbh, but thats for pure ST of course and it will drop your actual dps on several of the first bosses if you dont have SS, so pick your poison there. Also the 3rd tier for the chest i would imagine mastery/leech trait will give you more dps than the Earthlink trait
ornate herald
someone please tell me how to make the new elv ui nameplates not fade with multiple targets
hollow matrix
this is all just lookin at your gear without logs so far tho
crystal vessel
@arctic harness thanks. But does anyone have the bleed chosen. I guess. To see how the math actually works.
7100*.0753553 is a pretty decent amount of bleed damage if that is how it works. Lol
7100*.0753553. (7100 and 355 are my agi/vers)
Wow. 7100 x .075 x 355 x 3
hollow jungle
so is kimbuls the buff to have for zandalri?
stuck knoll
@strange python that outlaw thing is super unimpactful
desert vault
what's the feel for m+ build this week? Prolly TtK heavy and EB? I was thinking of doing like EB, SS, and NP maybe
wary ice
Are we sure thats the right formula
tropic linden
The tooltip for kimbuls Your damaging abilities have a chance to cause the target to bleed for [(Attack power * 0.075 * 1 * (1 + Versatility)) * 3] over 6 sec. This effect stacks up to 3 times.
is the vers portion the % you get from the vers?
wary ice
thats 94.5k dps
chrome karma
if im correct with the math i had im 414 ilvl and it came out to be 4k every time it applied
crystal vessel
Unless it’s vers%
wary ice
Its def ver %
chrome karma
the biggest issuse with teh bleed is the proc rate
wary ice
its 2.5ppm
chrome karma
whats the paku proc rate do you happen to know
hollow jungle
so kimbuls>paku?
wary ice
is where im pulling that shit from
2.5ppm on 6s /60s is ~15s/60s = 25% uptime on the bleed
the stack looks like it exists mostly to prevent overwriting it?
i havent gotten a chance to play with this stuff yet so idk
I'd imagine 4% crit is really big for us unless that bleed is increased by mastery
wary ice
I mean compared to the other options
I really want kimbuls to be the best tbh
def the coolest option
chrome karma
ima go take teh bleed now and check how much 1 stack does
wary ice
My math is looking at like ~200 dps w/7100 agi, 5% verse
Granted thats guestimates at best
ripe nimbus
@chrome karma hit a dummy write down what 1 tick does. Remove some mastery gear and then see what a tick does
wary ice
remove your neck and do it again :^)
ripe nimbus
Can it crit? Im assuming if it can crit its also affected by mastery as well
wary ice
thats actually really weird
ripe nimbus
Haste?
ripe nimbus
So its affected by haste and mastery pog?
chrome karma
ill check if its exan able
ripe nimbus
That will be very unreliable lol
wary ice
It wouldnt do anything either
Just think its funny
So soft confirmation on it being affected by stats
wary ice
Hmm
chrome karma
it ticks for around 480 tho
dont think ive seen it crit yet
this is with my neck on
it ticked 3 times now
dont think you can exan it
deff cant crit
someone else should do some testing to but
its not looking to hot
potent oracle
worth to use fok treits for jadefire masters ?
real bay
desert vault
or this week another 2x EB, 2x SS, 2x TtK kinda week prolly ...
and how do the gems from the azerite crown work? do they only work inside raid instance or something? never had a crown piece yet
got the one that gives the 400 stat bonus, but didn't seem to change my stats when i tried it
desert vault
oh ok, it reads weird, says "all" stats so I wasn't sure
sturdy python
Blizzard tooltips, was the same for prolonged power pots
@spice surge Whats the best Sin head piece from vendor?
ST
polar cape
Outlul dream
shell pollen
have there been any preliminary sims on the new racials
desert vault
@spice surge any thoughts on 2x eb/ss/ttk this week or something weird like 3x eb, 2x ss, 1x np
crystal vessel
So I guess 4% crit is best new trait then. Unless the shadow damage is noticeable.
coarse quartz
anyone figure out how to put combo points on the new elvui frames?
hard stump
What's the best embrace or am I late to the party?
crystal vessel
Most people say it’s the 4% crit. Since the bleed sucks and the shadow damage sucks.
hard stump
Ya if the bleed gave you extra energy I could see it sort of being viable?
crystal vessel
Eh. If the damage/proc was better then it could be.
light kestrel
Damn, I bought 415 shoulders this week and.... they're the exact same shoulders I got last time, at the same ilvl
FEELSGOODMAN
civic palm
l o l
vital raptor
what azerite traits should i be running in raids? Currently running 3x TK 2x DD and 1 NP
civic palm
Sounds fine.
harsh goblet
just run 1 million shrouded suffs
vital raptor
master assassin over subterfuge since im not running any SS?
strange python
yes
fleet whale
with that build yes
strange python
Can look out for more NP's
was wondering my dps was so bad, forgot to enchant my mainhand LOL
obsidian ruin
new racial sims when ?
civic palm
up...9...
strange python
up9?
warm harbor
hahah no that definitely wasnt
primal gazelle
oh shittt
primal gazelle
thats good for m+, get 5 combo pts before boss yolo
warm harbor
dont tell blizzard
empty tide
i mean, the tooltip always said " awards 1 combo point "
nothing about hitting enemies
maybe its intentional D:
civic palm
truuu
solar abyss
Nothing personal energy return part doesn't stack right?
civic palm
If you can generate to 5CP prior to the pull then yeah;
5CP > Rupture > Garrote > Mutilate > Vendetta > TB / Vanish > Env > Mut > Env > etc.
empty tide
on m+ yes, cp resets when you start a raid boss anyway
zealous lily
yeah fok deffo generates combo pts without hitting now
warm harbor
assuming this doesn't get patched instantly
heavy skiff
Why would they reset?
civic palm
unintended
heavy skiff
They dont reset from.mfd
warm harbor
doesnt all resource reset at the start of a raid encounter?
heavy skiff
Not cp
civic palm
Minus the 2min CDs 
halcyon tulip
is there sims for zanda anywhere?
heavy skiff
And if they do i just pull the boss casting rup
heavy skiff
Well pull at 1 it is
warm harbor
please let us know
civic palm
Updates will be here.
warm harbor
and if this is anything like the sub NB trait they wont patch it anytime soon ahahh
civic palm
or before.
heavy skiff
Why tb after vanish??
civic palm
It's more consistent but with DD I don't want TB in MA.
civic palm
Consistent CP generation that is.
heavy skiff
I like env mut env in my MA
warm harbor
why wouldnt you want too?
civic palm
More than likely less damage and potentially a lot of lost CP.
warm harbor
a tb buffed 4/5 cp env is gonna crit way higher than a mut
empty tide
yeah mut env mut is just too consistent
warm harbor
even with 3x DD
strange python
Until you get only 2cp mutilates during MA
coarse quartz
prepull 5 cps
spice surge
🤷
heavy skiff
Yea but now we enter ma at 5cp
warm harbor
@coarse quartz read slightly up
cobalt gyro
IT IS
civic palm
If it works in raid, then sure.
heavy skiff
So env mut env seems the best
spice surge
Pretty sure it lowers your cps to 2 or something whenever you pull a raid boss
strange python
Just make sure to prepull with 5 cp
quiet crescent
is raidbots simming NP correctly
heavy skiff
Same thing i said
spice surge
yes angrydome
strange python
Yes it is
quiet crescent
werd, thanks
heavy skiff
If it doesnt work then just pull at 1 sec of timer
quiet crescent
its strange cause blightborn is outweighing it by a decent amount
quiet crescent
just gonna go triple np triple DD for my own personal satisfaction
warm harbor
@civic palm whats this suppose to show
heavy skiff
Check crits only if u can
civic palm
Number before the last is crit.
quiet crescent
yeah its either BBI or NP but would rather have trip np
civic palm
and yeah if I could get rid of TC I would in a heartbeat O _O
heavy skiff
So crit mut only hit 70 more then nlrmals on average?
warm harbor
how do i find that info on my logs>
strange python
its not from logs its from raidbots sims
civic palm
Full HTML report >
strange python
after the sim you can view a full html record
civic palm
Check logs for not potato numbers.
strange python
strange python
Mize whats your crit raiting in that sim
heavy skiff
Maybe the best thing to do on opener is. Rup g mut vend tb env vanish mut env mut
strange python
oh just saw 30%
civic palm
MUT
civic palm
DD
strange python
sample rotation with plumage
civic palm
tb = 23k crit on average
mut + dd = 25k crit on average
I imagine DD can not crit while Mut double crits
So, yeah.
warm harbor
You also have to take into account alot of your DD/env crits are gonna be outside the TB window which will bring down the numbers on the average
civic palm
Yeah.
DD has a low crit chance for me.
24 versus 33 for mut and 40 for tb
on ONE log
strange python
let me see
civic palm
mmm
strange python
27,4 to 32/26%
ripe nimbus
i race changed into zandalari and instantly regretted it i forgot everything looks horrible on trolls even if they are straight back
civic palm
LOL
ripe nimbus
F in chat for my 20$
strange python
mh/off respectively
You can request a refund
if you do it directly you should get it
civic palm
MH/OH have the same crit rates on the RB report for me.
strange python
that moment when double dose alone almost does as much damage as envenom
civic palm
Yeah.
strange python
triple DD is dope
civic palm
DDx3 is a tremendous amount of damage.
proven wasp
Soo casting FOK awards combo points now without hitting anything? and it doesnt break stealth?
nimble tartan
ok hear me out new opener 5cp b4 pull stealth, vendetta, ENV, mut, mut/rup, gar, build tb, vanish, env, mut
strange python
Also nothing personal like 250k dmg per cast
civic palm
I would probably have Rupture first even breaking stealth with Vendetta.
Doubt it matters, honestly.
nimble tartan
i think its less dps tbh
strange python
Rupture just gives anice boni outside of pure dmg
nimble tartan
but its prolly smalll
strange python
but well, so does envenom
nimble tartan
porob higher max if all crit though
civic palm
Yeah the difference in timing makes me not really care about the rotation.
nimble tartan
yeah ima mess around with it tonight and feel it out
strange python
I mean I can imagine it being a gain
civic palm
With DDs ENV probably weens but again, it's gotta be tiny.
strange python
no way to make sure exactly though without simulating it
civic palm
Even then I wouldn't trust it.
gusty anvil
i cant get my embrace of paku to proc the crit buff
civic palm
Just hit a dummy.
gusty anvil
i did
civic palm
Not you.
SIMS assume the inputs are perfect, and when you can just hit a dummy for those 20 seconds, might as well.
strange python
I can't yet because I am EU
ripe nimbus
Rank 1 parse btw xD
strange python
Oh yeah they are reset
warm harbor
yeah all reset
gusty anvil
ive been hitting a target dummy for minutes and havnt seen it proc @ripe nimbus
ripe nimbus
i dont think it has a visible proc.. u just have that perma buff that says ur attacks can grant u 4% crit
i havent seen it proc either
just seen the perma buff
civic palm
I like the VIGOR has a visual but might as well not.
ripe nimbus
if u hit something it breaks stealth. but just foking doesnt break it.
civic palm
k
ripe nimbus
also generates CP
crimson maple
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civic palm
Yeah seems weird.
nimble tartan
breaks stealth for me
cobalt gyro
it'sbreaking stealth
civic palm
:"3
nimble tartan
doesnt even start the timer for sub
ripe nimbus
must be a zandalari thing then
civic palm
There's yer problem, haha.
ripe nimbus
cause doesnt for me
nimble tartan
im blood elf
nimble tartan
itll break if u hit something
civic palm
SUB remains the proobleem.
nimble tartan
but if you arent you can fok forever
civic palm
I don't hate it.
gusty anvil
yea that. just tried it
crystal vessel
So crit loa? Anyone tried the bleed or shadow loa?
nimble tartan
just makes it easier to stack to 5 quicker before a boss pull
civic palm
Yeah
Doesn't really DO anything.
IN PVE
Allows you to hunt for people in stealth in PVP though.
heavy skiff
So? New opener?
ripe nimbus
fok to 5, same opener just more cp ruptures
sturdy python
Mine is breaking stealth
ripe nimbus
must be a zandalari thing
sturdy python
Someone said earlier pulling boss resets CP to 2
heavy skiff
Rup g mut vend tb vanish env mut env?
civic palm
Yeah that's fine.
heavy skiff
Rup g mut vend tb env vanish mut env mut?
civic palm
might Vendetta before MUT even during the normal opener now hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
heavy skiff
Or how?
nimble tartan
prove me wrong bro 5cp b4 pull stealth, vendetta, ENV, mut, mut/rup, gar, build tb, vanish, env, mut
i will die on this hill
heavy skiff
Rup g vend vanish tb mut env
civic palm
Both of those are fine the opener does not really fucking matter so long you are casting spells.
heavy skiff
So many options....
nimble tartan
this one will get me to 60k opener bro i feel it
civic palm
Shit is also different because this shit doesn't work with MA?
nimble tartan
delay rupture for the rng CRIT GODS
heavy skiff
Yes it matters
cobalt gyro
change my mind: it's probably a bug so expect it to be changed
civic palm
If you are willing to generate out of stealth, sure.
nimble tartan
i think vendetta frist forsure u can get 3 bigg crit gcds in both windows
civic palm
Because if you are doing it in stealth it requires SUB and not opening Garrote there is a mistake.
sturdy python
vendetta before open is wasting energy
nimble tartan
yeah u just fok 5 times during the pull timer
sturdy python
and like 3 globals of energy
civic palm
👌
nimble tartan
i mean it used tro waste enerrgy b4 in other tiers and its fine
sturdy python
I dont remember vendetta pre opener ever being a thing
civic palm
Yeah the energy waste doesn;'t matter in the opener as you are GCD locked anyway.
sturdy python
since legion pre patch
civic palm
Was through almost all of Legion.
No one did it though because;
- Felt bad
- TINY DPS gain
sturdy python
But vendetta refilled your energy bar
nimble tartan
think of it this way vendetta is refunding 40 energy over 20 secs its not even that much
the reason its delayed now is cause it lines up better to save it for the big 3 crit window from vanish
but now we can get another big 3 crit window at the start
civic palm
Also the opener was done before DD was a thing.
Dunno if it's been looked at since 8.1
nimble tartan
so we get 2 thicci master assassin globals
sturdy python
idk, until sims show Im not convinced
nimble tartan
potentially 5-6 huge globals
sturdy python
I remember trying this in antorus and it was a loss
nimble tartan
i mean the sim wont add this bug its prob get fixed soon
civic palm
Like I said earlier, hit the dummy and fine out, this is really low time effort.
nimble tartan
im just gonna play around with what i think is the proper opener in a 5cp at pull world
cobalt gyro
you don't need to, pretend you're running MfD
ripe nimbus
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nt2dkgVrzyT38Zmf#fight=6&type=auras&ability=292463 17.25% uptime paku on jadefire
hazy iron
lol free mfd on pull with that bug
civic palm
Just lock portal shadowstep 4head
ripe nimbus
well air phase and bosses teleporting around. as well.
ripe nimbus
champs isnt a good judge of uptime we kill it in like 1 min 30. it had 33% uptime on champs
peak smelt
Avg around 1% crit? Not bad
cobalt gyro
most racials are about 1% tho
sturdy python
can confirm cp resets to 2 cp upon pull
peak smelt
I guess but I’m horde
sturdy python
UNLESS you pull with an ability 😄
civic palm
lol
sturdy python
new opener is evasion>open at 1s and screw everyone else lol
civic palm
allTanksHaveNeuralSilencerLUL
nimble tartan
start with 2 aw man
nimble tartan
yeah doesnt change what u use in the ma opener so idc anymore 😦
i wanted to POP OFF
80K
civic palm
POW ENVENOM!!
warm harbor
just get 415 celaph?
strange python
if only that were possible
thats probably fair due to gongs has dd/ss and bonded/scent
aka its only an ilvl upgrade zz
jade lynx
for anyone else with elvui did your CPs disappear off the nameplate?
anyone know how to get it back?
civic palm
Yeah you cast a spell.
_>
Least it's not like Velf passive and procs off of entering stealth probably.
cobalt gyro
lmao
velf racial would be decent if, yknow
it didn't proc itself off CD and on like, using vial, stealth, vanish
and didn't have a long internal cd
civic palm
Yeee
polar bridge
I tried searching but mobile sucks. Is there a decidedly best slot to roll for with residuum? Assuming the current pieces you have now are all equally trash.
cobalt gyro
the one that has the worst traits for you
strange python
@jade lynx elvui recently released an update where they reset all the nameplates settings
you have to redo it
coarse carbon
I've not gotten a response on the ElvUI forums. Any of the brilliant minds here know how to get CP's to show on enemy nameplate again? I cannot find it in the enemy nameplate section and it's driving me nuts.
civic palm
Yeah use better nameplates O _O
strange python
I recommend plater
rustic ether
why are nameplates not just a normal thing you can get on twitch
strange python
what do you mean
ripe nimbus
im just raking in these rank 1 parses... ez game xD
rustic ether
that one extra step is why i still use base ones
civic palm
_>
ripe nimbus
Kultiran racials suck btw
strange python
you can get tons of different nameplate addons in twitch
scenic birch
there are any sims for z trolls?
civic palm
Not done.
ripe nimbus
seems about average for racials
at least paku
i imagine kimbals is gonna be worse
better then kul'tirans racials for sure
distant helm
does the 5 days loa buff work in raids/dungeons?
rustic ether
but the utility and survivability it provides is underestimated
ripe nimbus
what utility and surv?
crystal vessel
no one tested the bleed yet?
ripe nimbus
no the kul'tiran brush it off heal
if ur zandalari u get turned into kultiran in BoD
crystal vessel
75% is pretty damned decent. lol
ripe nimbus
@rapid mirage ur looking at the wrong buff
theres 2
the proc
and then just the perma thing thats up
crystal vessel
@ripe nimbus what is that?
crystal vessel
Bwomsamdi is the shadow damage buff?
ripe nimbus
ye
crystal vessel
so based on that what is the best trait?! lol
rapid mirage
gotchya, thanks
ripe nimbus
prob paku
prisma crescent
Hold Vendetta until first Seven-Sided Strikes buff on Jadefire?
drifting cloud
depends on your kill time, but probably not
cobalt gyro
it's actually giving CP regardless of combat or not
languid ore
so ive got meticulous scheming azerite trait
slate sedge
Kimbul buff as a zandalari or Paku buff?
languid ore
should i be making a weak aura for this shit
or just continue as normal and hope it procs
stone crescent
Yeah nots ure about pa'ku or kimbul actually
languid ore
nvm found something
crystal vessel
3 Nothing Personal traits for PVE?
strange python
its good for most bosses yes
crystal vessel
would you say its better to have a 415 chest with suboptimal traits or a 400 chest with bis traits?
I have a 415 venture co chest or a 400 Ceph
strange python
depends on the suboptimal traits
dark crag
and no
strange python
sim it.
swift moss
time for 5 more discords
dark crag
M+ azerite is vendor only
strange python
you can easily get a piece every two weeks
hard estuary
Cephalohide or Spymaster?
dark crag
turbid zealot
we use echoing blade for m+ still or no?
strange python
why not?
turbid zealot
for example it says to use rapid reload for MM hunters on blood mallet. when really is pointless and not worth having one
didnt know if echo was same way after nerfs
cobalt gyro
Echoing needed a nerf when they nerfed it. It was doing 100k dps on 4 targets lmao
Most people running sin in m+ are using echoing
turbid zealot
yea like, the initial one
turbid zealot
dope. ty
uncut trout
how are the azerite off the first 3 bosses for assassin?
stone crescent
Do you guys think the kimbul racial bleed for zanda trolls works with the assa mastery?
the DK mastery works with the undead shadow thing
uncut trout
k thx
strange python
ugh 1 more week for a 415 chest
umbral berry
stuff, and things
novel arrow
We can now 1. Fan of KNives in stealth. and 2. Build combo points with FOK in stealth.
this is a bug
or new?
This must be a bug
You can start every fight with 5+ combos
civic palm
New bug.
ripe nimbus
RASTAKHAN IS COMPLETELY FKIN BROKEN LOL
he casts inevitable end and u go to 10000 MS and lag out for 30 seconds
come back dead
good times
unique flax
for m+ this week is it better to have more haste since boss is main aim?
hollow stone
Was testing it. If you have subt, fok wont break stealth and will gen 1 cp per cast. If you have ma, fok out of stealth will gen 1 cp per cast
unique flax
say 15-20%
ripe nimbus
-_-.... losing time on jaina prog thanks blizzard
scenic nacelle
What was the PTR for again?
civic palm
Testing things but no one does so nothing is tested.
rose violet
Can you even test the current raid on ptr
civic palm
PTR is a little different than Alpha/Beta but sure.
strange python
Same goal
steep obsidian
so theres some weird bugs with azurite pieces right now?
like i have a lying in weight buff on me from a piece i dont even have equipped right now
¯_(ツ)_/¯
im sure someone has already found something really broken lol
ripe nimbus
yah the raids broken
steep obsidian
shocked face
lusty narwhal
Lol wait did someone say we can FoK in stealth forever?
fringe phoenix
i can't stay in stealth when using FoK but i do get a combo point from it without hitting anything when using it
so i guess we can go into a boss fight with 5 combo points starting now
steep obsidian
i wonder if that is intended
fringe phoenix
doubt it, kind of stupid to precast FoK 5 times before pull
it's literally free premeditation
steep obsidian
yar
strange python
is this fixed? cus im trying it and it doesnt work
sturdy python
Which part
FoK still gives a cp, boss pull resets CP to max of 2
So its not going to make any difference really
edgy plover
You are not able to attack targets with fok and stay in stealth, but if you're stealthed and use fok before engaging, it basically allows you to get 5CP and then let your energy regen before jumping in
civic palm
and then lose 3cp because boss encounters don't let you start them with full CP.
sturdy python
And you cant stay in stealth and fok
target or not
If you are able to Im curious of your race
edgy plover
I'm doing it right now
sturdy python
Are you zandalari
edgy plover
Blood elf
edgy plover
sub
civic palm
Works as at least BE and Zanda, needs SUB.
cobalt gyro
the fok thing
doesn't just give you CP out of combat
if you like, get a mechanic
just spam fok and come basck with 5 cp
lmao
sturdy python
yup
simple meteor
guys i am from eu if i do a plus 10 now do i still get it?
civic palm
I like the idea though, hope it's intended.
edgy plover
the fok thing that's being talked about is a bug
not a strat for building cp on boss mechanics
civic palm
No it's quite literally a strat, that uses a bug/mechanic to generate resources.
sturdy python
YEs, Im Undead and Subt lets me fok in stealth. MA doesnt
I wouldnt be surprised if its intended
civic palm
SUB is magic lets you do a lot.
sturdy python
FoK has always said gives 1 CP
ripe nimbus
Id like to stand behind a block on mekka. But u know rasta is so bugged and all
sturdy python
It breaks if you hit something right?
civic palm
Them too though.
sturdy python
Oh well
edgy plover
yes
ripe nimbus
Pretty much wasted a raid day because blizzard is incompetent
civic palm
and you're well in control.
civic palm
or breaking groups out of Shroud.
sturdy python
Yeah thats true
IDK, I think its a nice bonus with little real advantages Hope it stays
civic palm
SUB needs a little help so, yeah hope it stays.
umbral berry
whoever was asking earlier if kimbul troll buff scales off sin racial
it def doesn't
civic palm
Also hope they update the SUB tooltip to inform people about things like this.
umbral berry
thats an entire run
sturdy python
Nah, if it did it wouldve been fixed
civic palm
mastery*
sturdy python
Wouldve been broken
lusty narwhal
105k from an entire run seems pretty av...
smoky bluff
you thought it was not posible
but it was them, Blizzard
chilly elm
i was told by someone that this week is assa m+ week over outlaw, is that true? 18's and higher
vital haven
anyone here that has done mekkatorque mythic?
vital haven
you know when you get thrown up in the air
can you shadowstep as soon as it happens
like instantly after it happens?
lusty narwhal
Should be able to if you’re quick enough I imagine, I generally just do it on the way down though. Its more chill
You’d have to gamble because if you do it straight away to someone else going up you’re in deep shit lol
vital haven
i was trying it yesterday after i realized mayeb you can do it like fetid
like instantly step to someone
drifting cloud
yeah you can do it
same as warriors can charge
but like he said, not worth the risk
well actually if u just step the tank I guess theres no risk
vital haven
i was just having difficulties doing after i came down
lusty narwhal
True actually
vital haven
can the tanks be thrown up in the air
lusty narwhal
Nah