Maybe will make a comeback this week tho
#assassination
bleak spoke
real bay
stuff is dead before CT has had time to tick properly
spice surge
But why scuff your damage against everyhing else when you can just go outlaw, and do more on reaping but still have good damage on everything else?
real bay
at least on reapings
ripe nimbus
Imagine building ur spec specifically for reaping xD
bleak spoke
Honestly the more I play outlaw the more acceptable the ST seems to me
spice surge
Well yeah outlaw ST is good
bleak spoke
I’d say reaping is actually the easiest affix
spice surge
Its just that its not bursty, so if the fight is like 2:30 (which most are) then you'd do way more as assa
But if the fight drags on then outlaw typically comes out ahead over assa
bleak spoke
Yeah even on tyrannical I feel like most fights never make it to the 2:50 3 minute mark
Kinda makes playing exsang some FeelsBadMan
primal gazelle
just wait til u get to 4-6 min boss fights on tyrannical
shrine last boss is a good 5-6 min
bleak spoke
Well yeah but then it comes around again
primal gazelle
on a 21
bleak spoke
Where the number of ARs you get are favorable to the vendettas you get
primal gazelle
kr 3rd boss, each one takes 2 min each on a 20
spice surge
Hence why i said most not all 🤷
bleak spoke
KR last boss is like 6 minutes too
ripe nimbus
98% of the people in this discord wont have done anything higher then a 15. So
bleak spoke
Maybe it’s a bit of a scrubby mentality to have but I’m kinda glad I’m gonna be trying to push to 20 this week when it’s not tyrannical
primal gazelle
im looking forward to this week 😄
bleak spoke
Cuz I feel like while tyrannical is good to push for teams that are good
primal gazelle
my st is shit with 3 eb traits so i prefer fortified weeks
bleak spoke
The bosses are really punishing compared to fort
Highest key I’ve done is an 18 Tol and ppl almost threw it on last boss
Shoutouts to eng CR
raw fox
bleak spoke
Vendetta and vanish don’t reset
primal gazelle
3 min and above resets
wary ice
if u pop vanish or vendetta during a reset; start asking for the fight to be explained and ask a lot of stupid questions while CDs tick
worldly iron
or tell them your stuff is on cd?
bleak spoke
Just be like hey I don’t have vendetta don’t pull
And if they don’t care then you should probably start applying to another guild xd
ripe nimbus
Or dont be dumb and use cooldowns when ur resetting/dying xD
worldly iron
I'm assuming the scenario is that you pop something just as the RL calls for a wipe
ripe nimbus
I mean it happens but generally if ur paying attention u can tell when something is a wipe or not
And not use cooldowns
worldly iron
of course, but it happens
lone junco
and at the point of progress where your vendetta open matters, you shouldnt need explanation of timings.
but lets continue
ripe nimbus
Continue where? Were we going somewhere?
craggy drum
I've noticed some rogues are using Master Assassin instead of Subterfuge on ST fights (looking at Mekka Mythic currently) is that overall better than Subter assuming the only SS trait you have is from the 1st boss helm? or does it require its own specific trait setup?
sturdy python
If you have SS traits you have to use subterfuge
ripe nimbus
If u have 3 DD and no SS MA is slightly better then Subt. If u have a single SS subt is better
sturdy python
But most people don’t use SS traits anymore so MA is good
grizzled jay
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lament dove
gutripper or elemental whirl for dungeon?
spice surge
whirl
strange python
I used gutripper in PvP but EW is best choice
lament dove
ok, thanks
halcyon tulip
well i guess its an upgrade .... https://i.gyazo.com/7486ad11559316f8c513007b189ba3eb.png
😢
winter gale
How should I deal with reaping properly?
With 3xss and only 1xEB
Garrote 3 targets and apply fast 2 or 3 ruptures and then just spam FoK/Envenom?
lone junco
@halcyon tulip grats.
halcyon tulip
thank
sturdy python
lone junco
so just bind /use 13 /use 14 /cast AR
and hammer away like a mongo
I have found some trinkets that can overlap with a /use /use. so gl on that
would make for a great opener.
haughty lily
what one should i reroll for aoe M+ sin?
part of me wants more SS, another wants more echoing blades, and then i also want more overwhelming but idk i can justify keeping each one..
also isnt twist the knife really good as of now?
idle vigil
Depends on what you want to do
I'd suggest rerolling your helm
TTK is a very specific build
it is like old sub spec
funneling AOE from combo points from fan into ST damage
haughty lily
yeah i miss that
idle vigil
if you choose something else to reroll
you should change your trait on your helm
NP is pretty shit in dungeons
TC better imo
haughty lily
hmm good point i can make another set for raid with it
haughty lily
yeah i was gonna wait to reclear to see if i got it
id only replace it if its mythic though right? i have it on heroic but stat decreases i figured.
bleak spoke
i like SS TC for m+ on champs helm
but can get pretty sketchy in some dungeons
that's more of a raid piece imo
i think roll on opulence is the play
idle vigil
problem with TC is that its really not that good of a trait outside of ST
like look at something like scent of blood
bleak spoke
yeh
idle vigil
its better after 2 ruptures
bleak spoke
2.5
but yeh
i think the issue with that helm though is no matter how whatever TC is in aoe, it's much better than NP
amber arrow
dont reroll chest u can get ss eb from conclave
bleak spoke
also that piece is prime for the current meta m+ build anyway
the SS EB conclave piece is actually a choice between TTK and EB which makes it even better than it already is imo
idle vigil
now i just need to get my guild to clear oppulence and conclave
pokerface.jpg
how much residium does DEing a 415 give
bleak spoke
few ppl in here said that conclave and rasta are free compared to opulence so i have high hopes i'll get something nice soon
365
mannnn i still don't understand why my sim wants me to run TC over NP on champs helm
i have giga haste and a galecaller's shouldn't it be hella good
jaunty crystal
I actually rolled the raiment chest again. HOLY SHIT this game hates me.
jaunty crystal
I have a venture co lol
bleak spoke
oh no x2 combo
spice surge
Np doesnt work fantastically with galecallers since gale is only up for 50% of vendetta, compared to say plumage
jaunty crystal
my chest rolls have been 400 raiment, 415 raiment, 415 venture, 415 raiment.
bleak spoke
oh
primal gazelle
the more important question is the name of the girl in your icon
asking for a friend
spice surge
And TC (or rather agility) is typically better the worse gear you have, and in the case of comparing to the default profile i assume you are definitely a couple ilvl below 416
bleak spoke
i need to spam king's tbh, my plummage in bags is 390 😐
jaunty crystal
her name is IU @primal gazelle
bleak spoke
yeh i'm 413 equipped eleem
jaunty crystal
korean singer
primal gazelle
thanks i needed to know for research purposes
fresh coyote
Is 415 reverent adoration a decent proc?
bleak spoke
please share in theorycrafting channel your findings dayvanie :^)
fresh coyote
Guessing we don't like shrouded suffocation anymore
bleak spoke
which one is that one vishya
fresh coyote
It has nothing personal and shrouded suffocation
spice surge
Its decent dw
bleak spoke
probably decent
fresh coyote
And has ace up your sleeve and deadshot for outlaw
harsh sphinx
need some more blessed sockets rtb
bleak spoke
yeh would be nice 😦
i had like 7 sockets or something at the very start of this tier as 400s but then ilevel overtook them somehow in like every slot zzz
harsh sphinx
giving assas a go again since the gear I've acquired for it is bonkers
bleak spoke
big azerite?
robust lake
got gold-tassel spaulders, should i go double dose> tradewinds or double dose >shrouded suffocation for raid. tradewinds seems to sim higher but the ss is the only one of that trait i have
harsh sphinx
havn't messed with it much yet but looking forward to it
bleak spoke
yeh MA's actually kinda fun
thought it would be super boring but it's not really
and feels real nice to actually use vendetta on cd
as opposed to like between 20 and 35 seconds offtime
@robust lake if you like ma play the tradewinds if you like subterfuge play ss
lone junco
Yeah. Raid feels much batter with ma tb.
harsh sphinx
but i was going to ask is the TTK build the go to in M+ for assas these days? also have a pretty wild M+ setup but wondering if you can just take 1 shrouded now 3TTK/2EB/1SS
lone junco
That's fine.
robust lake
yeah i prefer ma but also i feel like when i get ally swap ed to night elf id be less upset about losing berserking if shadowmeld gave me the ss buff
bleak spoke
3 TTK/2EB/1SS is what seli's running right now so that's probably accurate
lone junco
3/2/1. 2/2/2.
lone junco
Sure. SS starts to suck hard.
harsh sphinx
i think i have the same azerite setup as him just havn't tried it. it's either that or 3ss/2eb/1ttk figure that might be better for this week idk
lone junco
What are the NA affixes ?
bleak spoke
last season i think it was reasonable to wait for restealth just because our dps was nutty now it's not so much imo
robust lake
teaming quaking
bleak spoke
teeming quaking
harsh sphinx
yee teaming/fort
lone junco
Fort. Teeming. Yikes for the 2 matrons.
bleak spoke
piracy week zzz
robust lake
you need to chain pull on teeming if you have any hope of making timer
harsh sphinx
ah mbe i'll wait till next week to try it out lol
bleak spoke
can also just pull like 2-3 packs at a time as usual
but i think it's a pirate's life for me this week :^)
even though assa blasts just as hard on huge packs imo, need that gouge
lone junco
Sounds like a eb dream tho.
bleak spoke
yeh i'll be sad but not as sad as if i lost a timer
it's like every dungeon i deplete now i think "what would have happened if i played outlaw" when i'm on assa and then every dungeon i deplete on outlaw i think "what would have happened if i played assa" xd
harsh sphinx
yes lol i feel that
robust lake
i feel like assassination generally better for tyrannical or at least thats my experience
bleak spoke
"would have actually had boss damage and not wiped" or "that trash pack could have been giga blasted and cc'd and not wiped"
harsh sphinx
just get a 5 buff 
bleak spoke
mood: 5 buff on the bridge at freehold while trying to hold alacrity stacks
harsh sphinx
bleak spoke
play the ceph jacket
it's less "damage" but it's definitely the play here
and probably the TTK on the pistoleer's
mental gust
Is Gale-force any good?
bleak spoke
wait that's actually bis
harsh sphinx
ya instead of the 3 shrouded, prob slay those slam boys real quick
bleak spoke
what the actual
harsh sphinx
ya man... ive had crazy luck this season. my law setup is... nutso as well
bleak spoke
@mental gust no that's outlaw only but sim it tho
i'm running 390 shoulders for wits 😃
mental gust
Better use Deadly/Quick usually then?
bleak spoke
sim it
primal gazelle
rolling the chest tonight, will i get outlaw bis or sin bis 🤔
bleak spoke
i think he's asking about assa
bleak spoke
@primal gazelle you'll get a dupe like the rest of us :^)
bleak spoke
Lool I have two of those and one had eb the other ttk on it
lone junco
@bleak spoke literally same. Everytime I run outlaw, Im sad at my boss dmg. or low count cleave. every time I run sin, I think about the fat packs. (I dont have 3eb)
lone junco
We are on rastaman next.
bleak spoke
What’s on those shoulders
lone junco
just in time for 2x to go on month long vacations
bleak spoke
Is it eb ttk or eb and ttk + scent or something
that's a woooooo lads from me noobe haha
primal gazelle
hmm for the chest,
33% chance to get EB + SS/TTK
16% chance to get outlaw bis
50% chance to cry 😦 (strong ST traits but i dont need that shiet)
bleak spoke
i mean what else you gonna do with the residium honestly
might as well
chest isn't the worst gamble of the three slots i don't think
spice surge
Just do a +20 and loot multiple mythic pieces every week and you can roll once a week
4head
vivid hill
davYYYY
primal gazelle
hi pita
vivid hill
whats better eb /ttk or eb /ss
primal gazelle
depends if you wanna pad or do priority damage
bleak spoke
@spice surge too busy trying to get 610 + 365 + 365 to = 1725
i restored one of my scrapped 415 pieces but i think i'll scrap it again
vivid hill
hmmmmmm
bleak spoke
haha
spice surge
Hows that working out for ya
primal gazelle
you can do that??
primal gazelle
oh
primal gazelle
what if u have 0 resididum
primal gazelle
damnit bliz
harsh sphinx
ya say you buy a piece having 0 left, then restore the 415. does it take the piece you bought away?
spice surge
No it will stay in your mail as you cant loot it
Like if you restore something disenchanted and dont have the crystal
bleak spoke
okay eleem i've worked it out. i need to loot jadefire and get the shoulders for ST so i don't have to roll for shoulders, then when i bonus roll opulence this week i need to get a duplicate crown, then i can buy another chest piece and it'll be another FUCKING VENTURE CO PROBABLY AHHHHHH
primal gazelle
oh that piece is straight trash
bleak spoke
yeh you can get ttk/np + sob or unstable catalyst
garbaj
okay @spice surge after consultation with my trusty calculator i've managed to make those numbers add up to 1560 so either i need 2 heroic pieces or the residium treasure map #quickmaths
NA islands anyone? :^)
jade briar
Hello everyone! My name's Furry, it's nice to meet you all 😁
vivid hill
it gets boring
hallow coyote
No Double Dose on my random 415 :/
idle vigil
@rose perch hey do you have a guide for certain skips? Like the water ele in shrine of storm my group cannot figure out how your routes walk past it
spice surge
You have to disctract the elemental away from you
primal gazelle
rogue tags it, runs into the previous room, cloak the storm cast, sprint past him towards the bridge and vanish when out of LOS
primal gazelle
oh
spice surge
Yeah, you distract it so it looks away
primal gazelle
distract, shroud and drop down to the waterfall, hug right
idle vigil
Do I need to sap the human too?
primal gazelle
no
idle vigil
Oh need shroud for it
spice surge
Yeah
primal gazelle
depends, there are 2 ways to skip it, waterfall, or the left side, but youll need to clear the left side for this if thats part of your route
primal gazelle
it really depends on your route, theres also a pillar you can hug on the left side to skip the elemental, but youll need to clear that pack if its part of your route
Green is the waterfall, Red is the pillar skip. Blue is the ele
@idle vigil
bleak spoke
I kinda wonder if you can swing reaping off the spiritualists after jumping the waterfall
And then play the reap against the wall
Next to stairs
primal gazelle
we tried that once and somehow body pulled the elemental during reaping so idk 😦
solid nova
Wowhead has one, but due to WF/TF bis isnt definite anymore.
So can use that but use your noggin
Which includes simming yourself 😃
solid nova
No because you can get 425 of "non bis" stats which could perform higher
Which is why people will tell you to sim yourself
And thats before sockets which squiff it even further
strange python
that wasnt my question
solid nova
but if I have everything ilvl 400
then that set is bis right?
No it's not
strange python
when I have everything the same ilvl then that set is best statwise and traitwise and talents and everything
solid nova
No because you can get higher than that
strange python
why is it called BiS set then?
golden relic
yikes
strange python
dude
sturdy python
Bis is best in slot
strange python
THATS WHY I SAID FOR ILVL 400
sturdy python
Check wowhead guides for an idea though
solid nova
!warn @strange python Thats not how you talk to people around here. The bot filter doesnt exempt you from that. Dont criticise help if you're not willing to take it
sturdy python
Mute inc lol
primal gazelle
wtb warbeast cinch hide 425 socket, paying 1M lmk
strange python
dude
golden relic
asking for bis in 2019
sturdy python
Your best bet is wowhead guides and the simulation craft gear list
strange python
its still a question about that specific scenario
sturdy python
That’s the answer, no reason to keep going
strange python
like if I would ask you what you think about politics and you say I like cheese
like wtf
golden relic
no 1 knows cause no 1 wastes time trying to figure what the bis lvl of items are for 400 cuz its not even max
solid nova
Missing the point entirely
sturdy python
There is no bis list for 400 ilvl
What do you want?
I’m not going to go make one for you
strange python
I know
golden relic
and also like richard said, 1 wF Or TF can throw your stats off
sturdy python
Okay, there isn’t one
solid nova
RichardToday at 19:44
but if I have everything ilvl 400
then that set is bis right?
No it's not
strange python
I just wanna know if there is one
solid nova
You already had that
sturdy python
No! There is not.
strange python
dude
sturdy python
Dude
strange python
tell me why its called bis for ilvl 400
when its not bis for ilvl 400
forget about tf and wf
and all of that
sturdy python
strange python
yes.
mint peak
I guess you could call it BiSciwfatf
sturdy python
Doesn’t matter, no one will take the time to make it
golden relic
u wanna know what items are bis for a set ilvl like 400
ok
so
if u wanna be a lazy person
u can go to raidbots
check what gear they sim in, the default
take that and pretends its 400
u happy?
strange python
I can also just not be a lazy person but a fucking crazy farmer and I wanna know the bis set and farm that 420
same thing
there you have your shitty tf
solid nova
Well considering all of your posts consist of "whats best" followed by arguing when people tell you to sim yourself
You should just blindly follow the wowhead list
Gl
golden relic
you are also asking for a dungeon set of 400 pieces i assume
mint peak
Well you can already do that, but there's no point farming 1 specific trinket and hoping for a TF when the 2nd best one would be better if it TF
golden relic
and no default uses dungeon pieces
strange python
I just wanna know a BiS set for a set ilvl
mint peak
Just farm everything
strange python
like whats so fucking hard about that
golden relic
idk whats so hard for you not to comprehend what anyone is saying
solid nova
Whats hard about accepting the answer is no?
golden relic
in this discord
strange python
cause you arent even reading my question right richard
sturdy python
Julian, there is no set bis list. The closest thing you will find is on simulationcraft or wowhead guides for your spec
This is the best answer
strange python
thank you
sturdy python
No reason to say anymore
strange python
finally one guy
solid nova
Yikes
strange python
who fucking answers properly
full pagoda
Hey guys, which are the azerite pieces worth the most to get with residium? Asking more likely for M+ as I always got bis for raids
sturdy python
I said hat 15 minutes ago
primal gazelle
tbh you can create your own bis list, go up dungeon loot for the stats you want, and farm those dungeons
sturdy python
real bay
only azerites have bis
smoky fiber
nah situational
sturdy python
The very first reply to your question
smoky fiber
nothing bis!!
solid nova
Imagine 
golden relic
the struggle
primal gazelle
off the top of my head, for Crit/Mas gear thats valued for M+
- Legs from Atal, High crit low Mas
- Gloves from KR, high crit low mas
- Ring from Shrine - High crit low mas, waycrest has High crit low verse too
- Deadeye from Siege
- Dice from FH
- Crit Mas Boots/Cloak from FH
- highest crit daggers come from shrine
rancid elbow
hey guys, is assa the best pvp/pve?
mint peak
I always read that as Dr. Optimizer lol
real bay
lol
supple hearth
@rancid elbow best is subjective. Assassination is the easiest to perform well as and so if you aren't sure what to pick and just want to do well then assassination is the go to
stable pine
26% crit for M+ is too low?
primal gazelle
its fine for kr/tos but considered low for the rest
slow mortar
dice always, razorleaf for m+ and plummage for raid?
primal gazelle
gimme your leaf
real bay
dice + leaf is nice
slow mortar
i like plummage for the basic raisin of vendetta macro
real bay
monka crit
slow mortar
o damnit did a sob14 and someone got the spyglass
and it made me think of the TD cannon, and confusion, so i didnt ask
void otter
boys, can you cloak Jaina orbs in the intermission? the ones that freeze you in place
real bay
thats a oof
scarlet wing
Hello my assa friends. I have a question. Next week is fortiefied with more adds. When i See my overall as outlaw most dmg is from reaping but with ww and dh or demomlock u dont rly need that amount of burst in reaping, I think. So my question. Next week 3 eb should be very awesome or?
lone junco
hopefully this box can get rid of that hat. or something
dapper forge
Gotta love the goal of 3 full 415 azerite sets lol. I'm working on my 3rd for sin aoe. I've completed my outlaw set, and sin single target. Fuck reforge prices.
scarlet wing
That is my question. We dont need focus dmg like this new ttk build so what i Take ?
3 ss 3 eb?
lone junco
how much does 415 rando cost?
dapper forge
1725
scarlet wing
Why just 2 eb?
lone junco
damn
dapper forge
Good thing the raid drops mad azerite
lone junco
not for me. womp womp
dapper forge
dapper forge
2 415 scraps away lol
elder gulch
is dungeon slice a good option for us to use?
lone junco
good probably. great not really
it is a good balance of ST and Cleave, if thats what you are going for. it will value crit.
but it doesnt have the zombie waves or represent teeming fort very well.
so for low keys. its just fine.
real bay
2 of each works well
lone junco
once you have your traits set, and crit trinkets, then sure. balancing crit haste vs crit vers on a piece is probably fine in Dungeon slice.
I got a TF socketed Azerokk heart trinket in my box. is it better than low dice? I use sim for that.
elder gulch
I'm running droptimizer for m+
grave elk
does demon hunter magic dmg buff increase our nature dmg?
sturdy python
Should yeah
primal gazelle
no EB??
real bay
EB 
bleak spoke
CEPH JACKET WE FUCKING DID IT
strange python
gratz
real bay
round harbor
@lone junco uh
That's a nice tyran build maybe but complete lack of aoe could be problematic
lone junco
i know this man.
only chest with EB is 360
2x single traits.
yikes
so the 3ss 2ttk is fine
wary ice
Dang man i thought i had it rough
lone junco
basically im g g g r. then fok tb env into the 4th.
w/e
i dislike outlaw enough to make it work.
bleak spoke
Dude just run your m0s
bleak spoke
Oh
lone junco
i just hate ret enough to keep rogue up
bleak spoke
FeelsBadMan
lone junco
had 2 healers quit at the same time.
wary ice
I def prefer Ass > outlaw
But i think outlaw padding is a lot of fun
I'll probably get sick of it by the end of the season
warm harbor
this week may be the week for sin, if you're pushing high keys the packs might start to last longer than blade flurry charges
round harbor
Yeah I think my 10t40 is in the 110k range
round harbor
I mean if it's your alt your gonna be azerite starved
lone junco
they are both gonna suck for a bit tbh.
round harbor
I was under the assumption you had a fair amount of azerite to choose from
At least hpally is getting really good a
Atm
Triple glimmer and just yeey
Yeet
lone junco
yeah on the triple glimmer business
bis trinkets first time. and 3glimmer
its a fun melee ish healer tho.
proven wasp
is it worth using at least one trait of SS? I've simmed it and its not a huge difference, but i just see so many people who use at least 1 trait of it
lone junco
raid or m+?
proven wasp
raid
lone junco
depends on if you have a vanish gg opportunity. if you are raw st, you can run 3dd with MA TB.
proven wasp
sadly im not lucky enough to have 3 possible traits of dd
vocal rain
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
outer flint
Where can I find the general rules about FoK usage, the ravenholtd guide says at 3 only but i feel like ive read with X amount of EB to use it on 2
warm harbor
Not sure, going from a gut feeling I think 2 EB traits and you should be Fok'ing on 2+ targets
livid bronze
@lone junco what is MA TB?
warm harbor
master assassin and toxic blade
lone junco
depends
lost sentinel
I run subt, always subt, but def if you have SS
I always have a SS tho too, as a nelf with shadowmeld feels right
scenic quail
Does shadowmeld enable SS?
lost sentinel
yes but not subt
but if you are not vs a boss you can go to stealth from shadowmeld which will trigger subt
hearty oriole
Any theory on why most top parses from mythic is outlaw?
scenic quail
5 rolls
dark crag
And cleave
wary ice
@pulsar goblet totally agree; i just havent gotten those azerite drops yet 🤷 I do have wits out teh ass though so one wins :^)
lone junco
trash cleave
hearty oriole
Im not mythic raider yet so maybe dumb question. Is there more adds in mythic vs heroic?
royal lantern
nah
you fight longer
and outlaw has the highest high and the lowest lows
wich is perfect for logs
dark crag
Good thing is the better your raid gets the lesser outlaw can abuse cleave
hearty oriole
Well looking at wow logs mythic logs are mostly topped by outlaw where as heroic is mixed between the 2.
Just trying to figure out why
lone junco
Im bad. I didnt have a coin for the Tree boss.
are there any free coins from the ship quests?
dark crag
5 rolls and cleave
blissful tide
I have a leaf first time the boss came up after the ilvl bump up lol
lone junco
makes sense that he was afk and only shot the tree once.
blissful tide
It’s the only way
blissful tide
Can confirm inted as sub on jadefire got shoulders finally last week
royal lantern
@dark crag after playing monster hunter for years, yes thats it how it works
i do that 1 frking monster 146 times and get no gem, random french guy joins the group, dies 2x and gets it
desert jungle
So I was running some sims today and it turns out tradewinds is simming with MA 2.3% higher than ss with sub. That sounds odd to me. Or am I over valuing ss?
civic palm
in ST? Probably overvaluing SS.
desert jungle
Well that’s what I thought, so I ran another sim with add cleave, and tradewinds with MA still won but by 1.4% this time
civic palm
Yeah it's a weird situation that it is simming.
scenic quail
I run 0 SS while in MA hiperion
desert jungle
Ya dungeon slice ss won hands down. But now I am a bit apprehensive about what to run in raid
sturdy python
If you have SS you have to run subt
scenic quail
Not surprised it's being out simmed by other talents
sturdy python
SS is almost a dead trait with MA
desert jungle
No I ran it with both talents and traits
scenic quail
Other traits*
timber meadow
How does the key system work with regards to your weekly chest? I 2 chested freehold to get a 17 shrine and never got around to doing the 17
What should I get from my chest
sturdy python
14
warm harbor
its just max level completed that week minus one
desert jungle
Here let me link both sims so you can see what I’m talking about
timber meadow
Ya for some reason I thought it was max level of key minus one
spice surge
SS is a cleave or burst trait. It is not the best trait for st damage
terse hinge
What would be the best for ST? I imagine DD and NP?
spice surge
If there was pieces with dd, np and overwhelming power for every slot then yes
Or well, some traits sim higher anyway, like blightborne Sims notably higher than a second np
desert jungle
So what would you think would be the better setup for current raid tier? SS or tradewinds?
spice surge
Tradewinds and ma for most bosses
royal lantern
you make other people happy with tradewinds
spice surge
There isn't really any fight this tier with meaningful cleave that is also a dps check as melee
Rastakhan is the closest but even there the only important part about p1 is nuking down the big guy before the second jump
desert jungle
Ya true. I’ll try it out tonight and see how it goes. Thank you much for the replies
spice surge
Its good for jadefire too tbh, forgot about that one
royal lantern
jadefire should not be a problem at this point anyway
people are more or less geared
desert jungle
And stormwall when we get there for second phase
civic palm
If your add damage is lax for sure.
royal lantern
i somewhat doubt that add dmg will be a problem for you on stormwall
bleak spoke
Any tips and tricks for m conclave? I think my guilds first prof pulls gonna be tonight
civic palm
inb4 12 melee 0 ranged O_O
jaunty crystal
don't bother padding on conclave unless you are close enough to get out some resources bleeds on the other boss.
each secondary boss heals to full when the one you are focusing dies and that dmg doesn't show on logs 😛
warm harbor
@bleak spoke couple things that helped my conclave prog as sin were, running internal bleeding, only focusing on close range raptors, cloak a second before the first hex too not ruin your opener
jaunty crystal
there's some good streamers. If you prefer youtube I would check out "dratnos". He uploads guides/tips and also boss kills.
rancid elbow
ty
scenic quail
@desert jungle I like SS/Subt on champions, jade, king Rasta. MA/DD traits on other fights.
stable pine
If you’re so insecure that you feel the need to pad run SS for the first 3 bosses otherwise just be quietly confident in your dps on priority target.
true ingot
What are the conditions where MA/TB starts to sim better than Exsang? Even with 3 DD traits MA still sims 2.7% behind Exsang for me.
desert jungle
Ya I was thinking the same. But I don’t want to flip traits mid raid especially that I will be reforging after the three days of raid for m+
viral moat
hi guys what would be better for current raid shrouded suffocation x2 or nothing personal + shrouded suffocation? no ilevel difference
pulsar goblet
Sim your gear but NP
viral moat
sims show NP+Shrouded suffocation having a 100dps increase, just wanted to double check as i heard people saying to stack shrouded. ok thanks
gilded trellis
Is there a haste break point for sin? I keep simming it and it stays my best trait even though I'm already at 20%
placid lava
!traits
primal gazelle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hbdfWonuPiyVsaucAMiZXg all these ST azerites and i dont even raid 🤔
graceful vine
That's a few gems.
primal gazelle
need 2 more sockets to complete my set
civic palm
Acquire 12 Sockets
Bonus: Hatred from Everyone that Inspects You
placid lava
Should I still be buying chest and hoping my guild can finally down jadefire?
civic palm
Buy what a want O _O
civic palm
lol
bleak spoke
i think that was my 30th fh this season 8D
livid bronze
anyone mind providing some feedback on my Gonk parse? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NqVLvDg3Jr6c9Zh1/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=35
covert crag
Gonk is a boss on conclave 😃
livid bronze
ha Grong 😛
primal gazelle
wtf gimme that dice
i wonder if its good to take feint this week for quaking
elusiveness*
cobalt gyro
nah
jaunty crystal
@livid bronze some things i noticed right away. Your first vanish is way too early
with SS traits and subterfuge you want your first empowered garrote to run out before vanishing and reapplying garrote.
also you shouldn't be running master poisoner
you also want to line up your 2nd vanish/vendetta.
the reason being you vanish and get that empowered garrote out so it ticks during the full duration of vendetta and not just half the duration like what you did
aside from that it seems like you are more or less using TB on cooldown and keeping bleeds up so good job
stray pumice
Is there a haste % i should aim for elaborate planning to be most effective?
jaunty crystal
technically yes but it's going to vary from player to player based on their own stat weights/gear
my ideal haste value won't be the same as yours depending on how much of the other stats I have
the stock answer people give in here is to "just sim yourself"
livid bronze
@jaunty crystal thanks for the feedback, I'll put it to use!
bleak spoke
@stray pumice it'll take a massive fk ton of haste to change how many envenoms you get out after pooling, it's more efficient to index into crit for that
slow mortar
is there an equilibrium to DD and NP on single target?
i have 1TC/2DD/2NP/1SS, but i could swap a NP for DD
neon thunder
How's one button gaming for m+ this week? Anyone done a 15 and beyond with assa this reset?
scenic quail
Why play sin when you can outlul pqdlodd the fk out of fort/teeming and reaping like a god
flint jetty
@slow mortar your best bet would be to Sim, but I think you'd get most benefit out of 1 np and 3 dd
slow mortar
ah shucks, i looked at icyveins and was like, wellll the different from 2 to 3, and 2 to 1 is minor
but the upside is im doing better at keeping track of envenom and mut casts
7-8% of damage from 2DD is nice
small aurora
When running SS do you overcap CP to get the max garrotes out? or do you garrote/rupture/garrote
flint jetty
@small auroraif just a single target it'd be like you said, g/r/g. But if there are multiple targets you want to garrote you have to over cap in order to get the garrotes out during the subterfuge window.
small aurora
tyvm
flint jetty
@slow mortar well ice veins and wowhead are just a generalization. You aren't going to get info that's relavent specifically to you. And generally speaking you want at least 1 NP and up to 3 DD. With 3 DD I get 30k crits and up to 13-15% of my dmg from DD alone.
slow mortar
ive been swapping daggers rings and trinkets and simming and 400+ queue was getting to me
just whacked a dummy and got a 16k hit with TB/Vendetta/Plummage up
rotund stone
two NP or 1 NP and 1 TC? the TC sims higher
slow mortar
i personally find TC ok until i see the bad icon when im low
ooooo i could go 3DD/2SS/1NP, thats 2 415 and 1 400 azerites
flint jetty
Again your best using the simulation craft add-on and using the the string from that to check all your gear pieces on raidbots using the top gear sim.
main monolith
hi guys what is the %crit cap 😫
civic palm
No such thing, watch your weights Crit should drop in weights after ~23%
neon thunder
@scenic quail don't need to manage bladeflurry cuz fort on higher keys don't all in 1-2 bladeflurry. And one button gaming is the best. My brain too small to manage stacks and buffs
All die*
bleak spoke
anyone feel like this trait might be a bit overtuned https://i.imgur.com/dhB6FP6.png
cobalt gyro
3 stacked?
cobalt gyro
it's crazy
cobalt gyro
imagine the burst with NP + DD and more mastery
bleak spoke
you know which trinket i'm talking about already :^)
gonna macro /y SOMEBODY HEAL ME to that
cobalt gyro
not running full leech + leeching poison
bleak spoke
i wonder if maybe exsang might perform well with it
that's gotta be some pretty dramatic burst
cobalt gyro
bc energy?
bleak spoke
yeh that too
more mutilates out more DD proc chances
some scuffed setup like 3 SS 3 DD exsang or something
cobalt gyro
triple OP + GCB + Hero
cobalt gyro
just spam mutilates and envenom to keep up the buff
bleak spoke
that would actually be hilarious
cobalt gyro
like don't dump cp at all
bleak spoke
kinda like the foks in aoe
cobalt gyro
just spam mut
bleak spoke
inb4 you still cap energy
bleak spoke
but what of like, bosses like jadefire
civic palm
Just stab.
cobalt gyro
you pick one and stab
bleak spoke
where you can get yet another bleed out
is what i mean
how many bleeds do you need out to actually be energy neutral when you stabby
this is looking like the start of a meme build :^)
civic palm
55NRG worth or so, so...
bleak spoke
fok is 35 and you're energy neutral with 3 ss + 4 ruptures out at 11% haste is what i know is certain
s/o seli for math
civic palm
Yeah but it's way less than that with any Haste really.
and you ain't stabbin in M+
Probably.
bleak spoke
ily
civic palm
With 20% haste 2 second DoTs should tick every 1.6 seconds, meaning 11.2 energy every 2 seconds, or 5.6NRG every 1 second per DoT.
bleak spoke
alright so you need 10 dots out on poisoned targets to make yourself able to stabby
civic palm
So to get to 50NRG you need ~9 DoTs.
cobalt gyro
that's a lot of dots
bleak spoke
but these are "normal" conditions
without lust/galecaller's
exsang is basically 2 free dots for its duration
bleak spoke
oh no
cobalt gyro
LMAO
cobalt gyro
THAT COULD BE A THING
bleak spoke
but then you can't exsang
bleak spoke
ffs
civic palm
stabbystabby
bleak spoke
how about that berserker juju thing that noobe said you could activate w/gale
civic palm
6
bleak spoke
3 target
civic palm
It removes one set of DoTs... for 13seconds...
bleak spoke
so would your opener be
civic palm
_>
bleak spoke
GARROTE 1
GARROTE
2
GARROTE
3
oh god
the memes write themselves
but actually if you could have 3 perma targets
cobalt gyro
ok but
bleak spoke
you'd probably open with setup
cobalt gyro
would you also run master poisoner with that
bleak spoke
and then vanish into vendetta
civic palm
MP is only DP damage.
cobalt gyro
oh rip
bleak spoke
MP doesn't actually increase your DD damage i think
if it did it'd probably already sim better
possibly
it's only like 500-600 dps behind on the template right?
civic palm
Probably still run MA as the opener doesn't matter as much as the 3 MUT/DDs under ~80% crit.
This idiocy demands large HP targets, so the opener is w/e.
bleak spoke
i think you definitely run MA yeh cuz you'd want to get out the envenom buff and then start the stabby asap?
cobalt gyro
just trying it on 4 stacked dummies
you can definitely just spam mut
with less than that
with hero + gcb
civic palm
Yeah Ven > TB > Env > Vanish > MUTx3
civic palm
Depends on your DD's IIRC, needs to be a lot though.
I wonder how much haste you can get atm... hmmm
bleak spoke
@cobalt gyro how's maintaining g r on 4 targets feel tho
cobalt gyro
awful
bleak spoke
wait
actually
you don't need to be energy neutral
at all
doesn't matter if you run out in the end right
cobalt gyro
realistically though
you'd only need to have 6 seconds worth of spam
envenom > dump muts into the envenom
austere scarab
ls the MA opener on Ravenholdt still correct?
bleak spoke
like i just did 2t opener with 1 np and galecallers no lust and i was able to mutilate one target until vendetta ran out
without stopping to do anything else
just on 2
oh i did rupture target 2
before i vendetta'd
cobalt gyro
I don't have 3 DD anymore but I can't imagine that wouldn't be the play™
bleak spoke
was like g1 g2 g1 r1 mutis r2 vendetta
i have 1 shrouded right now but might actually be worth for the cp
the real question though is do you take hidden blades because you can't proc poison bomb doing this :^)
man if blindside could proc DD it might actually be sick for this :^)
bleak spoke
yeh it's dumb that it is
bleak spoke
does it give 3 on crit or is it not even with 2 daggers
rather does it give 1 to 3 or 1 to 2
civic palm
aaaaaaaaalrighty then
bleak spoke
it proc'd during tb and i hit it so i think it's actually negative damage here
that's like 50 seconds or something xd
civic palm
ezpz
bleak spoke
is that to be energy neutral while spamming muti
bleak spoke
so i guess haste actually doesn't scale very well with dot ticks
cobalt gyro
ok but what about if you do tos
and get the buff from the last boss
is 90% haste enough to just dump (^:
bleak spoke
but if you do tos and you get buff from the last boss
there's almost nothing left to stab
cobalt gyro
i haven't tried it but it might work if you don't kill the last mob
bleak spoke
i think they have it so you can't open the doors in m0 anymore
and have it open in m+
cobalt gyro
ya probably
bleak spoke
like the barriers blocking off the ramp after first boss etc
cobalt gyro
that skip was silly tbh
bleak spoke
very very silly
cobalt gyro
you can still distract the lightning caller and make the bridge after 3rd boss a joke tho
bleak spoke
they also fixed killing zul in king's rest m0 to make him not spawn in m+ haha
and shroud it or something?
civic palm
Well haste is a literal value, if you have 20% haste, things happen 20% faster.
The problem is that you cannot get to 50% haste > _>
@ 425 anyway
bleak spoke
huh that's probably actually significantly faster than playing the lightning caller
cobalt gyro
if you distract the lightning caller before pulling him
he shoots the walls backwards
bleak spoke
what
cobalt gyro
yes
cobalt gyro
i'm 100% serious
cobalt gyro
just pop a speed pot to get across the bridge super quick
distract
everyone else can just do w/e
bleak spoke
hmm how exactly is the slow on that bridge applied anyway
basically what i'm asking is whether it's the ground and if you can skystep and not be slowed or something
cobalt gyro
not sure, i know movespeed boosts can be used to go quicker across it, though
halcyon falcon
is it worth stacking more than one Nothing Personal traits? I'd be giving up a treacherous cov?
cobalt gyro
if you have a lot of mastery i wouldn't be surprised if NP sims over TC
bleak spoke
huh i thought np scaled with haste
civic palm
itDo
bleak spoke
oh but it's a dot
cobalt gyro
it does, but the damage also goes up with mastery
bleak spoke
and we've just established that dots ticking faster actually kinda sucks
cobalt gyro
when I had 3 NP 2 DD, mastery was > haste for me
bleak spoke
wait is the E regen from NP smooth
does it work by just procing venomous wounds
or is it just some other thing entirely
cobalt gyro
it gives you an aura that generates the energy
bleak spoke
ah, boring then 😭
jagged prism
I'm thinking of changing to assassination from outlaw. Is it worth it if my MH weapon goes from 375 to 400 and my OH from 400 to 350?
bleak spoke
why would you have a 350 oh
put the dagger in your offhand
wait i'm even more confused after reading that
do you have a 375 dagger and a 400 dagger which you've equipped in yoru mainhand and offhand at the moment
drifting cloud
hes outlaw and has a 375 outlaw weapon and a 400 dagger in oh but his 2nd dagger is 350?
supple hearth
350 is pretty bad at any stage. First conquest cap in PvP is a 375 weapon of your choice. Can also run m0 for weapons or buy one off ah
First thing I'd do is just get a better weapon
supple hearth
Bs doesn't go higher? Pretty much everything goes up to 415 now
Might be expensive but I'm pretty sure they have better than 350
bleak spoke
oh i thought it was the other way around
quartz dew
emmisaries to 385 too
bleak spoke
yeh there's emissaries with weapon caches
raven mica
or just run M0/wing 2 of LFR
bleak spoke
as their name
drifting cloud
but yeah OH for assa doesnt really give alot of dmg anyways
jagged prism
I am outlaw with a 375 mace my. 400 dagger oh. Swapping to assassination I'd buy a 350 dagger for my OH (no emissary or anything for a weapon at the moment). The main reason I asked is I don't know how I can Sim a spec change with trait and weapon changes too
quartz dew
you should be able to do it with top gear on raidbots, at least it lets me click the assa traits and stuff if I try to top gear in assa spec with outlaw gear on
bleak spoke
Just spec into assa and the right traits and do /simc
And then put it on gear compare and manually add the weapon you’d buy to the item set
With what you think you’ll be wearing
If you want to sim it top gear just grab the item from the gear compare input and append it to the gear list in your bags
jagged prism
Ahh I'll have to wait until I get home to do a top gear Sim
bleak spoke
Yeh most likely
pastel vault
forest star
shrouded suffocation is ok to double stack?
steep obsidian
sure jweb
sim it if you want to know if its beter then another combo
for m+ more then one is good
round harbor
@nimble tartan where u at brother
forest star
@steep obsidian yeah decided to do echoing blades instead to keep some blanace will respec for raids
stone crescent
Is Exsang much much better than tb with 3x shroud? It doesn't Sim much higher. I'm running 3x shroud 1 DD 1 NP 1 blightborne infusion
Ibeen using Exsang. Seems to do a ton of burst but it really falls off in single target
shy dust
Just wondering what the specific best azerite trait setup is for m+
round harbor
it changes
shy dust
Just looking for a general baseline since I saw people saying 3 EB 2 ttk and 1 SS
bleak spoke
when the boss dies at 2 mins exactly https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yZW7RAvKJzVbGnjg#fight=4&type=damage-done FeelsBadMan 🔫
civic palm
MINIMAL VALUE
prisma crescent
Any other rogues in Mythic dropping SS? Getting harder and harder for me to justify running one with TC/DD/NP existing and being on every piece of loot I get
Simming 1k dps higher with Mythic > Heroic helm and taking DD over SS
sturdy python
Most people do drop it for raid
nimble tartan
i still dont have a good helm still wearing the engi helm in 2019 @round harbor
this is with galecallers, but i run with kimbuls and dice which is like 130 sim dps less
round harbor
i feel like GC just sims insanme
jaunty crystal
it does a bit. It gives it 100% uptime
which isn't really going to happen on most fights
quick ice
@jaunty crystal probably within error. If you run the Sim over and over you'll eventually get one that says 26k? 😃
jaunty crystal
yea lol. I can also re-sim my sockets/enchants as well since it's been a couple weeks since I did that.
but I thought the 16 dps was funny 😛
quick ice
It's so close!