assassination

[stable pine]

I wish I get ruby

I dream of a day where I get ruby

[proven wasp]

i thought opal was better for parsing?

[mint peak]

There aren't many better options than you for Ruby

[fresh robin]

opal is better

[stable pine]

I mean Opal lol

[hollow stone]

Opal is best if your group can consistently maintain ruby

But no ruby stacks, no kill

[nimble tartan]

i love all my ruby sin rogues

[fresh robin]

lemme rant a little bit about molten gold

[nimble tartan]

lets all gather together and appreciate each other for our sacrifice

[fresh robin]

gotta love when u get that 8times

in a row

brb guys running up the ramp again, im back, oh wait brb again

[hollow stone]

I would have phrased that in a more vulgar way. But yes, let's gather in a circle to... hold hands and discuss the sacrifices we make for the greater good

[fresh robin]

lmao

so real question here

my guild just killed conclave, we're only a 6 hr guild so not the worst, but any tips?

[hollow stone]

Beg to be sat for rasta

[fresh robin]

do you guys try to keep bleeds on both for energy or just pump the kill target

LOL facts

[hollow stone]

Fuck that boss as melee

[fresh robin]

seriously

the best is when u dont get dispelled and ur cloaks down

and just rot away, i had like a solid 20 last week cuz of that, i think our healers hate me or something

cloak and stoneform btw, orc

[rigid mango]

yeah I hate con

Been wiping on it for the last 3hrs

So much fun :))))))

[mint peak]

It'd be nice if you could just tunnel but you're going to have to swap onto the raptors a bit

[rigid mango]

I just want to get subbed out so I can go do m+ or smth

[mint peak]

Just make sure your bleeds dont fall off the aspect

[rigid mango]

Fuck this boss

[hollow stone]

For conc, just focus main target and swap for raptors. Sit boss if youre group is good on raptors but who's kidding who, youll have to go rapts

Dont worry about dotting off target

[fresh robin]

yeah i mean

its rough, some people dont have the awareness and i try to help out with kidneys on raptors

[rigid mango]

Myeh

[fresh robin]

glad that fight isnt just me

[rigid mango]

I mean we've assigned groups to raptors

[fresh robin]

and we can all agree its awful

[rigid mango]

So I'm the first cc on one raptor

Always need to be there to kidney

but all is good since I run IB obv

[hollow stone]

Oh god. Raptor groups just sounds awful

[rigid mango]

Meh

It works pretty well

[fresh robin]

IB HYPE

[hollow stone]

Tell your ranged to stop beig shit. Good god

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[hollow stone]

I know it would but you shouldnt have to

[rigid mango]

but that's not how it works

and you know it

[fresh robin]

preach brother

[hollow stone]

My ranged are good boiz

[rigid mango]

Ours are too

I genuinly dunno why we need this

[fresh robin]

my ranged are over here like need to frost bolt the boss harder

spriest will throw out a VT just for the pad

[rigid mango]

I mean

[fresh robin]

and thats all the help i get

[visual quartz]

when you only have 2 range : \

[rigid mango]

we've got 2x destro locks

and 2x boomies

Idk how they can fail at dealing with the shit

[hollow stone]

2 ranged..? What?

[fresh robin]

people still play destro? with how broken demo is?

[rigid mango]

just havoc 4head

yeah dude

[hollow stone]

Leave guild or recruit ranged

[rigid mango]

idk

[mint peak]

SP is the best spec to kill raptors. They pump on conclave

[visual quartz]

not a mythic guild yet apple 😛

[hollow stone]

Destro op for conclave

[rigid mango]

Yeah but

all the hgihest dmg

are all from demos

Entirely suprising, I know.

[proven wasp]

Worth continuing to buy a random 415 azerite piece? Or holding titan residuum to get a specific one?

[rigid mango]

Depends on piece

What slot are you buying

[fresh robin]

lol idk if u guys know thd lock, but hes a good buddy of mine, he links me this the other day

class balance

[hollow stone]

Depends on so many things lol

[proven wasp]

chest piece prolly

[hollow stone]

Do you have bis helm and shoulders already?

Is your chest good? Or total shit?

[rigid mango]

Chest is like a 50/50 or smth

[hollow stone]

How much TR do you have after reset this week?

[rigid mango]

It's a pretty good piece to random roll

[proven wasp]

Yeah I have a 415 cowl of righteous resolve, currently have tentacle-laced spaulders which is meh

[hollow stone]

How high do you push keys weekly?

[proven wasp]

usualy 15s

[rigid mango]

wdym

tentacle is insane for ST

[proven wasp]

currently sitting on 1747 residuum because i just bought a random piece

[rigid mango]

atleast

Are you wanting gear for m+?

[proven wasp]

Mostly for raiding

[rigid mango]

Then your shoulders are really good?

np + dd is like bis

Not like, it is.

[fresh robin]

whats ur guys opinion on grong chest

[proven wasp]

I know ah, not why I said "meh"

[rigid mango]

Meh

[fresh robin]

obviously cowl/mestrah is nice

[rigid mango]

Find it pretty meh

[spice surge]

@rigid mango It is not

[fresh robin]

i just got it last week, but i also got a SS/ttb chest

think ima swap it out and go back sub

[spice surge]

blightborne+Dd is better

[proven wasp]

And then I have Venture co. with nothing personal & unstable catalyst

[fresh robin]

we're talking 415?

[proven wasp]

yes

[fresh robin]

the only thing ive gotten outta my boxes is rings

until last week finally got a 420 plume

[rigid mango]

@spice surge Since when is BB better than NP?

last time i checked BB was behind NP, DD and TC?

[fresh robin]

might be if u have low crit, its not a bad trait just scales poorly

[rigid mango]

Talking ST, here

idk, I also need a new chest

Gonna be RNG'ing next week

Just gonna keep on praying for jadefire shoulders and RNG chest

[spice surge]

The best setup (so the one simc uses) is champions/blockades helm, gorak tul's shoulders with blightborne and ceph chest

Thats the highest simming one

[rigid mango]

hmm

find it weird if that's the best one when I see no one using it

and all I see when I look at top players/parses are NP, DD and TC

[spice surge]

Yeah its wierd how not everybody has been getting incredibly lucky from their residum

[rigid mango]

Some SS etc splashed in of course

[spice surge]

Super wierd

[rigid mango]

Atleast someone would

I see no one using it

at all

ok nvm you're right, I see some doing it

[golden relic]

i have ceph : ( i use it

and gorak tuls : (

[rigid mango]

Find it weird though, even on bloodmallet gorak tul's is simming highest, but without BB

[golden relic]

U mean why ppl take a 2nd NP over BB?

[rigid mango]

Purely off of one piece, taking DD NP and OP is simming highest

[golden relic]

well ofc theyll take NP if they have no Np trait

or i dont follow

[rigid mango]

not factoring in trait stacking or anything else

Purely piece by piece

[golden relic]

well thats weird to do cuz

1 piece affects other pieces

so doing that is hard

[rigid mango]

Well yes, I'm just stating it

I did say it was solely by itself as a piece

[hollow stone]

Overwhelming power makes up the difference. Like eleem said, bis is either helm from champs or blockade, gorak's, and ceph. You end up with 3dd, 1np, 1 bbi, 1 ttk, 3 op

But until you have all 3. There may be other pieces that sim better

And keep in mind what mcmuffin is saying too. You gotta look at ALL the traits to find the best COMBO not just the best individual pieces

[nimble tartan]

helm from blockade 👌

[crisp shard]

How are ppl feeling about OP on Jaina mythic? Does it loose to much value to the ticks in p2/3

[nimble tartan]

it got PRYDAZ

[hollow stone]

But i think champs has the amazing rogue version of stamp roar 😅

Lolol

[proven wasp]

having no traits of ss feels weird

[hollow stone]

Itll feel normal soon. Soon you will love the fact that you just push g in pandemic and dont have to track shit

And then when your vend n vanish line up without holding, mmmmm

Learn to love it

[spice surge]

@crisp shard Even with losing 2 stacks every tick of OP

[proven wasp]

So without ss, do i still take subterfuge or would master assassin be better?

[spice surge]

Its still about equal to every other inner trait

[hollow stone]

Sim. But ma prob better

[proven wasp]

just did so ye

[crisp shard]

Alright, so if i cant get gutrippers for execute dmg OP is 2nd bis

[hollow stone]

He just spelled it out for you. Draw your own conclusions. Tldr: use op, its op

The only fight where i might go gutr over op is jaina. But im not on her yet so that is pure speculation. Im sure eleem can answer that too lol

Since i know hes progging or killed that biiiii by now

[spice surge]

Neverlucky

[crude dock]

Hey, Is 22% haste too low for assass?

[hollow stone]

God no

[crude dock]

My energy regen just seems slow

[round harbor]

Sometime it be like that

[rigid mango]

You playing with vigor?

[crude dock]

yes

[spice surge]

I mean, you're never gonna be able to fill every global on ST as assa

Thats not how its supposed to be

[hollow stone]

Sin is like 30apm spec. Its a slow spec unless youre used to it

[crude dock]

What spec should I use? as i'm kinda new to rogue ;p

[hollow stone]

If you come from bm hunter or fury warr etc then yea. It feels slow

[crude dock]

?

[royal lantern]

assassination has the lowest APM ingame

[fleet whale]

it does get higher with more targets though

[royal lantern]

it is slow, you have dead GCD's etc....thats just how it works

press the right buttons, not spamm them

[fleet whale]

but i wouldn't say it's any lower than what it was in Legion when comparing similar timelines, my APM in NH was around 37, which is what it is right now

[royal lantern]

its pretty much the same speed

not all specs need too spam 1 skill 80x in 1min

[fleet whale]

yeah, assassination is designed with the pace in mind, so it works out

[crude dock]

Should I try sub or outlaw?

[fleet whale]

in terms of what i would recommend for a new rogue, it would go Sin>Outlaw>Sub, but in the end it is up to you and you're better off trying all three

[idle vigil]

Combat has such high apm coming from sin

It scars me I’m not gonna lie

[dapper forge]

Lol the low apm scares me coming from outlaw

[royal lantern]

wath

scares

you spamm sinesterstrike all the time

not like you use 100000000000x different skills, you just spam sinenster all the time until you can use a finisher or you get a pistol proc

[lone junco]

sure. BTE on cd. finish on 4 unless BS. then roll for shark unless 2 unless in bf. only use pistol with Opportunity.

cause that is ss spam

[royal lantern]

you still speend 80% using ss

[crisp shard]

Yes cuz Assa is so insanely intricate 😛

[royal lantern]

doesnt change the fact ._.

i never said assa does more

[lone junco]

thats why I like sin. 30apm cham

[royal lantern]

waths with the wathaboutism with outlaw anyway

everytime somone says outlaw is easy

YEHA BUT ASSASSINATION

yega its stupid easy too, but OL also lol

[warm harbor]

@royal lantern bruh SS is barely 50% of casts

[royal lantern]

you dont know my pistolshot proc luck 😦

im legit going 20sec without a proc

[lone junco]

that was me and blunderbuss with bracers.

rip outlaw at that point.

[royal lantern]

main reason i play sin

no procs

that change or affect your gameplay much

[lone junco]

yeah. I didnt mind bota. was just juice

not rotational stuff

[idle vigil]

Feel like pistol is like on half my as

Sa*

Ss*

Fml

[lone junco]

I need a EB chest. thx.

[dark crag]

I have 2 415 ss+eb pieces

And i use them for sub

[warm harbor]

whats sub?

[idle vigil]

Spec

Subtlety

[lone junco]

?

[idle vigil]

He asked what’s sub

[lone junco]

never heard of it

[idle vigil]

Xddddd

[warm harbor]

doesn't sound like a spec to me

[lone junco]

got a DS/Blitz hat.

[dark crag]

Not everyone is an ass rogue

[lone junco]

I guess that will do.

[nimble tartan]

i love sub

[warm harbor]

Jokes aside I love sub aswell but unfortunately it was killed

[dark crag]

Sub is waiting in the shadows. We will rise again

[lone junco]

I think sub dfa shoulders is why our healers wont do M+ anymore

I wasnt polite with bursting.

"woops"

and it was rude the marks hunter. "why am I even here"

lol

[hollow stone]

Sin may not have procs but crits heavily impact your decisions to the point where they are basically procs

[lone junco]

i can get to like 35 but all i have is dice

[hollow stone]

At least w OL (outside of rtb) you pretty much know what your next move will be

So its a different kind of rng

[lone junco]

I can get 3eb with 2 dd. sucks

so far so good.

[desert vault]

Think this week giving up 3x EB with 415 vs 3x TtK with 400 is worth it? Next week I know the 415 that gives me EB is a sure thing

Can't decide, both seem to do decent numbers ... lower key stuff, sub 15s

[rigid mango]

I'm in the same boat, Idk what to do atm my boss damage fucking sucks with 3x EB but the reap packs etc are so nice

[desert vault]

Guess it is just dungeon specific prolly, ML and FH 3x EB, other stuff maybe 3x TtK with the ilvl loss

[dark crag]

2k more boss dps than our outlaw at stormwall, but less damage overall. Bf carries hard in execute phase when adds get ignored

[rigid mango]

idk man, I feel like maybe I should swap out a piece or two

Grab some ST pieces that I use for raiding

Doing like 17-18k on ST sucks massive dick on higher tyr keys, can't be having this

[desert vault]

Yeah I was getting wrecked on bosses

I'm going to swap back to 2x eb and 3x ttk next run. Stick with heavy crit and crit trinkets

[rigid mango]

I'm running 3x EB, 2x SS and 1x SoB

[spice surge]

I mean, ideally you'd just get both ttk and EB

and dont have to choose between them

[rigid mango]

It'll be fucking nuts for next week, but I think I'll swap out one EB and SoB to get an NP + DD

[desert vault]

I'm doing either 2/3x EB, 2/3x TtK, and 1x SS

the 3x EB set is 15 ilvl better than 3x TtK is the only thing that makes me unsure

if it were all things equal I'd take the 3x TtK no question

[rigid mango]

I mean I still feel EB is nuts for any m+ scenario, and I'd probs keep 1 or 2, but I feel like sacrificing this much ST damage is really cucking me

[stable pine]

I’m running 2EB 1SS and 2TTK and it’s so deliciously balance

[lone junco]

222 if i could but I cant so I dont.

rip

[eager haven]

2EB, 2SS, 1 SoB, 1 TtK has been good to me

[visual quartz]

ST does go down but trash aoe is so high your overall at the end is way ahead. been playing with 3EB 2SS 1NP and been having a blast.

[heavy skiff]

I have 3EB 2SS and 1TTK

Beating a dh in reaping feels good xD

[dusky orchid]

Hey guys, on Opulence can rogues immune the coin shower in any way?

[dark crag]

no

[dusky orchid]

like even cheat death?

[bleak spoke]

@raven mica

[dark crag]

5 rogues with feint can proc cheat death

[bleak spoke]

That would be a beautiful gif

[civic palm]

There is no Cheating Coin Shower.

[dusky orchid]

Thanking you kindly sirs

[lusty narwhal]

How strong do you guys reckon zandalari racials will be

[royal lantern]

strong for 1-2 weeks and the hotfix comes out

[lusty narwhal]

Hahaha yeah... blizz will come in somewhere

The 4% crit proc sounds pretty juicy

[royal lantern]

problem with procs: you will not always get them when they are good

main reason why the velf dmg proc is pretty bad

[cobalt gyro]

ehh velf proc is somewhat consistent

it's roughly every 60s

lines up pretty well with SoD on sub because of that

[runic depot]

Hello could anyone tell me how to I@prove my dps in raid? I have logs available and am unsure.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kmc7PvDaQbTrZ3dn

[warm harbor]

@runic depot so for jadefire you want to be saving your first ven/vanish combo for the multi-sided strike dmg buff

[runic depot]

I’d only ever do heroic so I don’t get sent up :/

[warm harbor]

oh mb thought they were mythic

[runic depot]

I’m more concerned about grong tbh I always drop so hard on parse

[warm harbor]

make sure you're pooling for toxic blade, a couple of the dmg buff windows of TB you're getting only one or even no envenoms

[runic depot]

ah okay I didn’t know that made a significant difference

do you also pool for elaborate planning envenoms?

[warm harbor]

personally i treat EP as a passive, really hard (and not sure if worth it) to try and actively play around it

also with your vanish/garrote you want to be vendetta much quicker or even before the vanish, you missing out on around 5 seconds worth of empowered garrotes that dont have vendetta dmg buff

also make sure your very next cast after vendetta is a TB, missing out on alot of NP dmg that isnt buffed by your TB

[storm pumice]

Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Vendetta > TB > Envenom is your opener with at least 1 trait of Shrouded Suffocation with Subterfuge + Toxic blade

[jagged prism]

Why the double garrote? And the rupture without full CP?

[rustic tree]

You take advantage of the SS trait during subterfuge, it yields 3 CPs

[runic depot]

Often times my vanish comes off CD alof later than vendetta

I usually end up waiting for vanish CD to come off so I can use both together

is that correct usage?

sometimes end up waiting 30-40 secs

[sturdy python]

Hold vendetta for vanish

As long as you wont lose a cast of vendetta from some odd kill timers

[warm harbor]

@jagged prism on your open, if you double garrote you will increase the duration of the dot from 18 secs to 24 seconds

@runic depot your second vendetta will be delayed by around 25 seconds, but holding it is worth it to pair it with your empowered garrote, subsequent vendetta/vanishes should line up perfectly

[jagged prism]

Ahhh, so instead of normal dot resetting at 30% left, you apply again for the extra CP. In guessing the extra CP out weighs the energy/time inefficiency?

[lone junco]

grg vendetta mut rupture. results in full length G and R.

[runic depot]

Thank you for the advice @warm harbor

[fading wigeon]

On champions , I'm thinking of the following opener. Tell me your thoughts. I empowered garrote the three adds. Then vanish garotte rupture garrote the boss, vendetta, TB, envenom. Anyone see anything wrong with this pad?

[warm harbor]

wouldn't reccomend, almost zero chance that 2 out of the 3 adds you garrote will survive more than a few seconds

not sure if its even worth garrote the 2 smallies, think single garroting the bigger add then double garroting the boss would result better

[desert vault]

so it is pretty normal to overcap a few times on CP when running 3x EB?

[fading wigeon]

@warm harbor thank you!

[primal gazelle]

@desert vault overcap and spam away

[desert vault]

feels so weird, I spam it for a bit, but still have to through and envenom or two in there to feel better

[primal gazelle]

Still cast envenom at 6 targets or less

[desert vault]

Oh? Ok I was spamming a little at 4-5 targets, anything below 4 I was capping then finish

[lone junco]

played some outlaw M+. Barf.

time to get me some EB for mobster fokking

[desert vault]

I would fok if at 4 cp though, figured it was better to get max CP even if overcapped a tiny bit

I need a 400+ head piece with some eb+ttk in my life, stuck with a 390 still

[primal gazelle]

watching shakib's grp run with DH and double outlaw rogues

full pumpers

[sturdy python]

Think how fast they’ll run through stuff next week

[primal gazelle]

quaking might be hard with 3 melee + tank

sounds aids

[sturdy python]

Yeah it definitely will

[real bay]

we're planning double outlaw for the lulz

[steep obsidian]

meh ive done quaking with that many mellee before its only a real issue if you are in like a small hallway or something or like tons of sanguine pools n shit acrobatic strikes makes it even easier

[grave elk]

Could somebody take a look at this log and tell me if there is any tips or help you can offer for my rotation. Please ignore the part where i got walked off the boat and couldnt be saved. just up till that point is fine :p

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bwdA6NkVTqCy8pJK#fight=4&type=casts&source=4&view=timeline

[steep obsidian]

i dont even now who you are in that log

but asking specific questions will get you better responses normally

[grave elk]

I linked my timeline specifically unless it somehow messed up

Yeah the link leads me directly to my timeline of casts... hmm

[steep obsidian]

ok

you should have yelled at the warrior to give you battleshout i guess after you died

but if he didnt suck hed have done that without you asking

[grave elk]

Lol last thing on my mind tbh cuz it was progression I was just worried on mechanics

I felt so energy starved and it all felt like shit cuz of it

[jovial adder]

Hey guys quick question if I'm sticking 3 DD and 1 SS what stats should I prioritize and for 3 SS and 1 DD what stats should I prioritize?

[steep obsidian]

sim it

most likely haste mast and crit will all be pretty close

[crisp lynx]

Yo, quick question regarding races. According to bloodmallet, Mag'har Orc is currently the best mutilate rogue, is the active the only point or does savage blood reduce poison time on both enemies and themselves? The description of that racial is kinda iffy

[timber geyser]

best for what? raiding? m+? pvp?

[crisp lynx]

ST dps

by an incredibly small margin, of course, how it always is with races, but I was curious if it was only due to the active

[grave elk]

Besides looting 1handers does looting as outlaw or sin make a difference? Can’t outlaw also loot daggers?

[summer valve]

outlaw can't loot daggers, only assassination and subtlety can

[grave elk]

Oh okay thank you.

I just figured they could since they can also use daggers

[lament dove]

and sin can loot only daggers, so it goes both ways

[grave elk]

So besides loot speccing for specific weapon drops there’s not a difference sweet

[bleak spoke]

FeelsBadMan, switched to outlaw on opulence because adds were living for long enough for me to run around foking and rupturing like it was m+. Got kill though, can’t wait to see how “fun” the bwonsamdi debuff is on conclave :/

[cosmic pier]

conclave is a joke

[bleak spoke]

Maybe I’ll get the ttk ss helm from reclear and then the eb SS chest and actually have a good time

[cosmic pier]

if you can kill opulence conclave and rasta are rpetty much dead

[bleak spoke]

Alright that’s encouraging

I think you can actually get the 2EB 2SS 2TTK setup from those three bosses right

[lament dove]

when raid came out I was looking forward to get drops as well, not I'm like f*k this raid

got the worst pieces from residuum as well, now it's only upwards from here at least

[vast forum]

You can always get duplicates from residuum 🙃

[bleak spoke]

Shoutout to dupe venture co

[small aurora]

Im a new rogue looking for a bit of advice on trait stacking, how does 2xEB 2xSS and 2xTTK sound for m+ or even 2xEB 2xTTK 1xSS and 1xNP

[real bay]

first one sounds better

[crisp shard]

Isn't 3x SS still prefered?

[real bay]

NP is quite useless for m+ , you get a lot use out of TTK

[small aurora]

thank you, I have NPx2 and DDx2 atm and it feels kinda weak, but EB feels really good

[real bay]

got the same setup as the first one, feelsgood with 32% crit

[small aurora]

ty ill try to hunt for it

[strange python]

For some reasons it is much more enjoyable to play with at least one ss. Without the specc feels strange

[shy axle]

still don`t get why TTK is sought for in myth+ situartions (calling 2 SS/2EB/2TTK). I get it, prio dmg, but why and how? I do oversee something

[lethal heart]

prio damagee

mobs have uneven hp in dungeons

trying to even them out/killing them at same time is good for timer

[shy axle]

mhh okay, need to try it i think. I read here spamming FoK with the 2 Eb traits on reaping is the way to go, so fok, rupture 4+ and then just spamm it or what is meant with that

[winter gale]

Whats simming better, playing 3x SS? Or stacking SoB and EB?

Im playing 3xSS and 1xSoB/1xEB currently.

Feels like I should do more on reaping adds. Problem is I just started mythic season 2 and I am not sure what is good atm.

[shy axle]

some combination of 2 Eb/3EB or 2 or 3 SS or 1 SoB. Leaderboards even show some doing 20`s with an occasional NP/DD

[winter gale]

And playing without SS?

My friend plays with 3EB/2SoB

And toxic blade

Dunno about that tbh

[hollow talon]

wait i have double vent co random azerite 415 piece too

got the same one

lol

not just me i guess

[bronze kelp]

nope

you get a complete random item, so there is a chance of getting the same

[real bay]

just get cephalo 4head

probs gonna get the same venture co chest

[lament dove]

Blizzard really works hard to make the loot system as unenjoyable as possible

[real bay]

someone at blizz loves gambling

[strange python]

well its either that or save up 7k

[real bay]

it's not only that, rest of loot is pure rng

[bronze kelp]

so you rather want to have bis lists again, that you are farming and when you are done, you never need loot again ?

[winter gale]

Is dungeonslice best way to sim for m+?

[strange python]

@winter gale yes it is

[unkempt tangle]

Is it worth pooling for EP over envenom buff? Like for example I have 5CB and 0.5 sec left on EP and 3sec left on envenom buff. Do I want to cast envenom before EP falls off or is it better to wait till the end of envenom (assuming 3 DD)?

[strange python]

ye the rng sucks but if you want your bis piece save up for it and then buy it

id rather try my luck at a random 415 and hope to get bis instead of saving up for 7-10 weeks

[bronze kelp]

jep, dont want to wait that long for a specific item

[real bay]

the fact that this is the only gear vendor is nuff said of bfa, in addition to forced PL

[bronze kelp]

also there is not only one item you need, and the rest is completly crap

[winter gale]

I decided to only buy chest since head and shoulders drops from 1st 3 bosses on mythic. I bet I will get good one before I kill mekkatorque 😂

[strange python]

yeah some pieces can be better than what bloodmallet tells you

i mean 2nd boss drops chest

and the chest is decent xD so use it on the one you will need the most

it depends on how fast your guild is progressing mythic

I would be so happy with Gorak or chephalo

[spice surge]

Yeah buying a specific item with residuum is a waste. But if youre like me and have the chest already and have basicly the ideal m+ setup, i have no need for TR after ive gotten gorak tuls

[bleak spoke]

I wish I could just pick the traits I wanted to use

[spice surge]

And yeah, i could buy a random piece and get it, but idk, id like to not get fucked by rng

And apparently that comes at a premium cost 😄

[lament dove]

at least they could have made it so you cannot get the same item twice, I would be satisfied with that...

[bleak spoke]

Well that’s not necessarily good

Cuz some pieces are good for more than one spec

[lament dove]

well yeah, now that you think of it...

[bleak spoke]

It’s just that sometimes you get pieces that good for no spec

[lament dove]

ah whatever /pushes away desk violently

[worldly iron]

or they could make azerite traits like talents

[strange python]

I have ideal M+ set. I am "just" missing both Gorak ans Ceph. I dunno what to do🤔 🤔

[worldly iron]

having duplicate pieces for different specs is just dumb

let us change freely

[winter gale]

What should I aim for from traits for m+?

[spice surge]

A mix of SS, EB and TTK

[lethal mauve]

2ss 2eb 2ttk < outlaw(

In m+

[winter gale]

Would 3xSs 3xEB be an ideal option?

[strange python]

For what?

[winter gale]

M+

[real bay]

rather get 2 ttk or bbi

SS loses value longer trash takes

[strange python]

I know for m+ but people are way.... WAY to focused on overall damage. So you wanna do ST, Priodamage or High AoE?

[strong folio]

It will honestly depend on the dungeon and affix week

There is so much you can do

[winter gale]

I am currently playing 3xSS, 1xEB 1xSoB 1xTC

Maybe one more EB and I am good to go

Instead of TC

[real bay]

for fort definitely 2 or 3

[winter gale]

I am good on Single target with this setup but I lack dmg on reaping

We will see what will reset bring to me 😂

[real bay]

let us pray together for weekly chest

[obsidian sierra]

The best u can do is get gear for assa and outlaw and switch tbh in mplus

I am lucky to have both on 410 and its worth a lot to be able to switch on dungeons

[real bay]

anyone use plume in m+? got harlans and forest lord as other choice, both socketed

[grizzled jay]

Harlan with deadeye is very good. Just put them and forget

Plumage is nice for tyrannical week

[real bay]

yeah hoping for dead eye off chest

[polar tapir]

I've been hoping for trinkets from chest since forever, nope nope nope

[strange python]

I wanna win the lottery too, good luck with that. I got two duplicates the last month now

[real bay]

probably gonna get some shitty gloves

that I have already

[polar tapir]

also, if you couldn't get duplicates, just randoming chests, would cost only 1,5k more chalk than a specific piece, so would kinda defeat the purpose of EVER going for specific 😃

I mean, even now saving for specific is pretty dumb

[worldly iron]

it's just a bad system

[real bay]

probably I shouldn't complain after got 420 wep off chest

[vast forum]

Tbh i only have 1 item per slot that i want

[real bay]

[vast forum]

Why would i not go specific

[worldly iron]

if you're gonna buy 3x specific pieces, that's gonna take like the entire expansion

raid tier will be over

[bronze kelp]

just do a +25 each week and you are done in about 19 weeks XDDD

[real bay]

if you truly like to gamble you can scrap the piece if it's shit and buy another next week

assuming you get some azerites off raid to scrap

[worldly iron]

reasonable system

[spice surge]

I have the chest I want and I'm gonna get the shoulders in time for crucible

[worldly iron]

I have jack diddly of the things I want got 2 SS, 2 TTK, 1 NP and 1 Blood Rite. not a single OP

I have an ok m+ setup (with EB) but lacking for raids

[polar tapir]

Champion (1st boss) and Jadefire (3rd boss), gives incredible pieces for raiding, you should be able to kill those bosses every week, even with PuGs

[vast forum]

Jadefire 2nd for ally

[worldly iron]

I have 5 kills on Champions (all bonus rolls) and 4 kills on Jadefire, around 3-4 bonus rolls on those as well

I managed to get 415 pieces on our second Opulence and Conclave kill

that's the only azerite luck I've had

now we're extending for rasty progress so no more champions or jadefire for a while

rolled a ruinous bolt chest as my first 415 piece, followed by two sanguine monstrosity shoulders in a row

[strange python]

People are missing items from the first bosses and you are not reclearing? Even if people have the items you can allways get sockets and warforged?

[worldly iron]

they want some more proggers

I wanna reclear but I'm just a little rogue

[strange python]

to be honest it seems like a waste not to reclear at this point

world first race ended

so there is no reason to extend lockouts imo

[worldly iron]

well we still want to push for the cutting edge and get that over with

world first has nothing to do with extending lockouts for regular guilds

[dark crag]

But you waste amounts of gear the next bosses don't really give

[worldly iron]

getting rasty and mekkatorque down would be good though, nice to get in some practice

bomber jacket is alright

[cobalt gyro]

I mean, how far into prog on the fight are you

[dark crag]

Only extend endboss, I thought that was raidlead 101

[worldly iron]

it really doesn't matter, I'm not the GM nor an officer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I have no say in this 😦

we've only reached p2, pretty much

[cobalt gyro]

It's just a waste if it's too early on since you could go a week with zero boss kills if that's the case

Which is yknow

Demoralizing

[worldly iron]

hey I'm saying I want to reclear, but the higher ups don't

[dark crag]

And then the next boss gets extended and up to jaina you never reclear

[worldly iron]

yeah, as I mentioned earlier, no champions or jadefire for a while if that happens

[cobalt gyro]

Can't struggle to get past each boss every week if you only kill each once (^:

[worldly iron]

I don't think we're done with resets, though

it's just nice to have decent progress, even if it means just killing rasty next week and learning mekkatorque

and then resetting the week after that

[sturdy python]

Doesn’t make any sense

[cobalt gyro]

But you're extending in phase 2 for rasta

[worldly iron]

I'm not making the calls

[sturdy python]

Might help you Kill Rasta faster, it’ll slow down killing Jaina

[polar tapir]

If you "only" raid 2 days a week, extended Jaina makes sense until you kill it. Any boss before that should be progressed after reclearing

[cobalt gyro]

If it's that early into rasta i mean, they'll do the same in mekka

[winter moss]

you are not making the calls doesnt free you from the burden to tell your rl that the decision is not wise

[polar tapir]

^

[worldly iron]

I already told them I want to reclear

[polar tapir]

don't just tell them what you want...argue why reclearing is the better option

[winter moss]

tbh you wont down jaina that easy if you already extend

[dark crag]

If at all

[polar tapir]

was thinking just that

[cobalt gyro]

Imagine getting to jaina and the whole raid mot being geared enough to pull it off

😩

[golden relic]

not re clearing when on rasta, big yikes

[winter moss]

jaina requires a ilvl and you wont get any loot if not from raid bosses and weekly chests

[golden relic]

if you are already in p2 its already dead anyway basically

[real bay]

just spam m+ 4head 💩

[polar tapir]

ye...we did rasta in 10 pulls, first time we got out of p2 we killed it

[winter moss]

if you cant bring in something usefull dont try at all please

[golden relic]

what

[winter moss]

rasta from p2 to p3 evolves from add managment to tank and spank so ye after p2 it's pretty much ded

[dark crag]

More gear = more dps = faster kills = less time to fuck up

[winter moss]

if you dont fuck up on kicking or soaking

[marble hemlock]

i like how the mythic mechanic on rhasta just doesnt matter at all

since you just dont kill adds in p2

[worldly iron]

different people value different things, I dunno

GM and officers wants to down rasty

I'll see if I can influence some more

[winter moss]

yeah but are you raiding to clear or raiding to down 6 bosses then hardstuck on #7?

[golden relic]

Id look for a new guild if i wanted to kill jaina for cutting edge and ppl were extending rasta

[real bay]

if re clearing in feasible amount of time isn't a problem extending is just dumb

[worldly iron]

I mean, it's not a super serious guild or anything, we got cutting edge on g'huun and we might get it on jaina as well, we'll just see how it goes

take it as it comes

[golden relic]

well usually an extend is also becuz you had a problem with a previous boss

and u wanna focus on the current

so was conclave a fiesta or hat

what*

[modest mason]

Maybe leader wanna swap out some players, easier with another boss kill to recruit better players 😉

[worldly iron]

nah conclave was pretty free, first kill took 15 pulls, second kill was faster

opulence has been a fiesta

[cobalt gyro]

My guild extended mythrax because the week after we killed zul they nerfed sub rogues

[real bay]

Zul is understandable

[cobalt gyro]

We weren't sure if we'd make it back there otherwise

[winter moss]

i dont get it how someone could ever bring up the idea to extend rasta

[golden relic]

well zul was different, cuz u played around a class

[winter moss]

as seli said the mythic mechanic doesnt exist in the fight

it's basically heroic with more HP

[cobalt gyro]

We did end up re-clearing again on a week where we needed a few pugs, but that was over the holidays, so

[worldly iron]

I'll see if I can convince them to reset

[cobalt gyro]

Either waay unless there's a significant reason to extend, it just loses the raid free gear from farm bosses

[real bay]

the amount of loot you will miss is huge

[winter moss]

try to bring in hard facts

[worldly iron]

nah, I won't really miss any loot even if we extend

because it never drops anyways

[golden relic]

Classic

[worldly iron]

[dark crag]

And first bosses have bis for many classes

[winter moss]

[strange python]

well dont forget there are other players too 😛

[winter moss]

you cant carry a whole raid

remember that

[worldly iron]

still at least one more person besides me needing champions head, if one gets rolled out I'm gonna lose

opulence took two pulls last sunday, and conclave was pretty fast so honestly we should be able to clear everything in a day

[winter moss]

residuum helmets, go for it

[real bay]

extending is 30+ loot pieces missed for the raid , monkaS

[polar tapir]

idd, 30+ pieces of loot should make rasta quite a bit easier

[worldly iron]

the group is still getting used to handling the mechanics, we've got enough dps so far

but again, I want to reclear

we've got a few special players making many boss fights harder than they need to

[winter moss]

you need to reclear

[worldly iron]

need is a strong word

[winter moss]

every little dps push will make jaina easier

trust me you need

it's a tough fight

[worldly iron]

we're quite far from jaina though, and nobody has said that we're never reclearing again

if they propose that I'm gonna riot

[winter moss]

stormwall also needs some dps

well new raid comes around mid april

so yeah

not that much lockouts left

[strange python]

but you can get CE until 8.2

[real bay]

2 bosses tho

[winter moss]

ye

[strange python]

It is not a New tier tho

[worldly iron]

I appreciate all the support for pushing a reset, thanks guys

[strange python]

if they dont listen to you show them all the messages xD

[winter moss]

yeah but ya think reclearing a tier raid to prog endboss + 2bosses in the new raid will fit in the plan after all vanitaus told us so far?

[worldly iron]

I mean they mainly want to prog rasty and possibly mekkatorque, they never said "we're extending for jaina"

[polar tapir]

@winter moss you really think this tier will only last 3 months? that's literally never happened before. Uldir was almost 5 months

[real bay]

Next tier will be late summer I bet

[polar tapir]

but once you reach jaina, you're gonna have to extend...which means all the gear your miss out on now is gonna be lacking at that point

[real bay]

anyways, summer

[strange python]

Thing is. All you need the Rasta is DPS. You can cheese the down phase and all. Just have the dps and it is a free fight... reclearing would help you get that last dps and they you will one Shot the boss

[winter moss]

did ya read

[worldly iron]

I'm assuming they're just extending this week and going for a reset next one, but I've no idea what they're planning

gonna have to look it up

[winter moss]

i never said this tier will end in mid april

i said it will need more management and faster rekills if you wanna clear 2 raids

[polar tapir]

but crucible is coming with 8.1.5 no? or am i mistaken?

[winter moss]

but if you only wanna extend to kill rastakhan, why extend in the first place if it's in kill range

[golden relic]

crucible isnt a tier

[winter moss]

it's a joke

[golden relic]

its a raid like TOV, filler raid

[winter moss]

i just see it a necessary thing to get along with the plot of bfa

there are no old gods in bfa tho

[polar tapir]

I know CoS isn't a tier, but it's a new raid. Which to me makes it unlikely there will be any new raid before 8.2 tier

[strange python]

It is not a Tier. It is 8.1.5 but is released 16th of April

[real bay]

2-3 months of crucible to new tier

[polar tapir]

aight, makes sense now then, I was just confused

[winter moss]

new tier will be the fall of azshara

so basically when nazjatar hits

summer/fall 2019

[polar tapir]

I think fall, they probably don't want it to clash too much with Classic

And their explanation to people complaining about lack of content is for Classic to be a bridge period between new/fresh content

[worldly iron]

clashic

[drifting cosmos]

Classic coming out this year confirmed?

[real bay]

actually it's called Rise of Azshara

if earlier raids are any indication we get the patch on June

[polar tapir]

classic is confirmed to be some time during Summer

[strange python]

anyways i think this should go to off topic before the shadowblades tell us anything xD

[worldly iron]

here's hoping for another reclear

[brisk forge]

If u're not on Jaina, no need for extending 😜

[worldly iron]

I feel like people misevaluate what other people find fun too much. I don't want to extend, nor do I think we need to, but I can at least understand if other people want to just continue where we left off immediately

[winter moss]

well some people just have been there and know what will happen or can kinda evaluate what is useful for a raid

and extending on rastakhan is not necessarily a good thing

as the boss is freeloot anyway

[worldly iron]

of course, but since we're a semi-casual guild, everything is a little more "whatever"

if we get cutting edge, great. if not, on to the next tier

[real bay]

maximizing loot will help

[winter moss]

well there always people who want to achive

and you will lose them on the way

as a RL it's not what you think is the easiest way, it's whats best for the raid

[worldly iron]

yes, I never said more loot would be a bad thing

[winter moss]

and if there are decent players who want to achieve something you prolly gonna stick with reclear until the bosses run away from you

[worldly iron]

I'll bring it up with the peeps

[real bay]

tell them your raid need it , lets say you kill Rasta then what , you get a few pieces perhaps but then you hit a wall on Mekka

[winter moss]

in an eviorment where 20 people come together to progress something there is no I

or me wants that

there is a how can WE do that to make it work for everyone

[worldly iron]

there's is an "I" as in I will talk to them about this

not sure what you meant by that

[winter moss]

and trust me. we are 4 officers / rl for 28 man roster

to hear every voice

and we make it work

that's how we got from world 1000+ to world 334 without changing players

[worldly iron]

ok now we're getting into places where we're never aiming to go

we're not pushing rankings

[winter moss]

it's not about where you aim to go. it's about what you can do with the willpower of 20 men/women/pans

[worldly iron]

we're just a goofy ass guild

[polar tapir]

but regardless of how goofy you are, shouldn't you try to be as efficient as possible, and look at the longterm (possibly jaina), rather than the short term (Rastakhan)?

[worldly iron]

yes

that's exactly what I want

I want my loots

[winter moss]

[worldly iron]

I never once said I wanted to extend, I only defended them for perhaps finding it more enjoyable

[winter moss]

i mean maybe

but the vast majority of people likes to kill things

so

[polar tapir]

idd, obviously I like to get loot so I can perform better than without, but loot is really just a means to kill bosses IMO

[worldly iron]

and that's why I want my loots

to kill stuff deader

[eager dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vagrant tapir]

Why is ttk so strong in m+?

[royal lantern]

gives you somewhat good priority dmg

and building 100%aoe burst is a bit stupid because then you spend a shitton of resources instead of just playing outlaw, wich does burst aoe without doing it

[golden nest]

Quick question hoy many targets are needed for fan of knives + crimson tempest to be worth?

[winter moss]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

[desert vault]

A lot of people are just running PB over CT anymore as well, FoK is all about how many EB traits I think. I run 3x EB, especially this week, and I FoK and pretty much everything 2 or more, I will just spam and overcap at 5/6+ targets

[lone junco]

@vagrant tapir when you have enough ruptures up for Infinte E. (4+) fok for 5cps, what are you spending on? fok env fokfok env fok env fokfok env. winds up pumping 90-115k env into a prio target while EB is doing the cleave work.

[desert vault]

Yep and TtK helps on ST for boss cause EB takes so much away from boss damage

I'm prolly going to run 3x EB, 2x TtK, and 1x SS this week

[lone junco]

at least it synergises with the crit stack from EB

[desert vault]

I only have 1450 crit though 😦

but dice and spyglass help cover some of that

[winter moss]

azerite traits like unstable flames help aswell

[desert vault]

Yeah, I finally broke down and made 100 crit gems so I can swap gem sets as well from haste to crit for m+

[strange python]

I have 1700 crit then 415 dice and Spyglass on that. The CP you get... Omg i love it hahaha

[desert vault]

heh, yeah that is a little broken

I was getting more comfortable with just spamming and capping CPs on packs of like 5 and 6 the past few days. Seemed to help my numbers, feels weird, but it must work a little

[rigid mango]

I've got no luck forging either of those, but a 420 ttf'd ML trink with a socket that I can't trade, sure thing

[lone junco]

Yeah. i gave outlaw an honest try, with 3ds. Maybe it is my shit MH wep, but I dont like it. roll 5 on a boss after bloodlust hunting for shark/+2 and I started getting ptsd.

See True bearing ,and smile, then remember that it is shit.

going back to my sin glory. 🕳

[desert vault]

I almost broke down and played outlaw a bit, haven't played it in probably ... two years? I don't even know where to start really, read some stuff online for 10 minutes, got bored, went back to spamming foK 😛

[young meteor]

Switched to Outlaw bc my m+ traits are significantly better than sin (which is my main spec). Slot bones really sucks, but it is a fun spec for sustained/burst cleave.

I hate it for bosses

Reaping packs are fun

[lone junco]

I have like 30 days played as outlaw in legion. It really is neat, and probably fun for someone else. but with the consistent output of sin, Im gonna pass for now. When sin had 0 aoe, it was tough to play in 5man content.

[outer vortex]

kind of a general question, but can LW pants/boots proc sockets?

[dawn root]

It's just really hard to gear sin right now for ST raiding and m+ without lots of respecing

[lone junco]

thats probably true.

[dawn root]

Much easier to get good outlaw traits this early

[lone junco]

I would let my M+ gear be the low ilvl for trait.

My weak spot for outlaw is the weapon.

[dawn root]

Outlaw is fortunate that you need 1 wits and then you can stack DS, ace, TC and its good for ST and Aoe

Not so as sin

[lone junco]

I have 3ds 1wits 1blitz 1tc.

wasnt bad

[dawn root]

Yeah that's pretty ideal

[winter moss]

3ace 1wits 1blitz 1paradiselost

was not funny

[lone junco]

❤

[dawn root]

Outlaw also has much less to micromanage for those like me that need to very carefully pay attention to mechanics and interrupts in higher keys. You don't have to target swap nearly as often as sin does and 1 key allows you to deal exceptional aoe

I'm excited to try sin on tyrannical weeks in the future when I have the gear

[winter moss]

tbh sin aoe is probably the most complex of the melee classes imo

regarding micromanagement

[mint peak]

Think people overvalue the difference between Ass and Outlaw ST. If the fight is 1 min long then yeah, Assassination is almost always better. But on high keys where a boss is about 3-4 mins, the difference in ST between Assassination in ideal M+ talents and Outlaw is negligible. Even at 4.5 mins which ends right after 3rd Vendetta the difference is maybe 5% DPS and that's ignoring that for Outlaw you don't even really need different traits for ST

[winter moss]

still

in overall dmg sin can easily keep up the higher the key gets

[dawn root]

I don't disagree with that but it depends on the boss for sure. There are some that I spend a lot of time not on the boss due to mechanics and Outlaw is very punished if you can't attack the boss vs sin

[winter moss]

bc what you gonna do after the 2 stacks of BF run out

nuthin

[outer vortex]

technically its 3

3rd one recharges while youre using the first 2

[dawn root]

Well we're always running dancing steel now and that's not much of a problem

[outer vortex]

^

[winter moss]

true

i still think sin isnt that bad either

even tho outlaw has the giga aoe

you can keep up as sin, pulling ahead is a complelty diffrent story

[outer vortex]

i started bfa as outlaw and then went to sin - i think both are equally viable, but in M+ outlaw is deff higher overall dmg for the instance

i just HATE bones =/

so random

[winter moss]

higheroverall dmg isnt always a time gain

i mean you kinda need to concentrate your dmg as sin

ad for example

pad on the honor guards

i mean only 1 pull max 2

[rigid mango]

idm bones for m+, but it feels horrible when your tryna max out your ST dps and having to roll 8 times in a row

[winter moss]

but you get my point

[strange python]

you dont lose that much when fishing for a good roll tho

[rigid mango]

Maybe not

but it feels absolutely horrible to play

[winter moss]

rtb rng doesnt affect you this much

[rigid mango]

I'm not saying it'll dip my dps that much, I'm just saying it's a frustrating playstyle

[winter moss]

dunno, what feels better. fishing for good buffs and get a 120k bte or wetnoodlefights

[rigid mango]

Idk, sorta debating giving outlaw a bash in m+ again

[winter moss]

tbh nah

it fine

[rigid mango]

As it looks I've got nutty traits for it

[winter moss]

it's just reaping playing into the hands of outlaw and thats some nice mechanic i like to see

maybe next season affix will play in the hands of sub

or maybe reaping does already

[rigid mango]

I find it sorta bad sacrificing so much ST for EB

[dark crag]

But infested was supposed to be subs

[rigid mango]

I think I need to rehash my azerite tbh

[winter moss]

keep the game alive

[rigid mango]

Think I'm sacrificing too much for EB

[winter moss]

outlaw is good rn

FOTM

why bash every fotm spec

[rigid mango]

?

[winter moss]

sub changes

removal of shurriken combo

i mean was mostly due to zul

[rigid mango]

ah

[winter moss]

but still

try that now

[rigid mango]

I mean it was pretty much solely thanks to that

wasn't it

[winter moss]

sub was also good on infested

unlimited stack bc the adds never died

[rigid mango]

Yeah I mean I enjoyed sub

I played it a very short amount of time and never got good at it

[winter moss]

i didnt but only bc i dont like how the spec plays

[rigid mango]

Myeh

I mean I enjoy how it plays, and I was really enjoying it

but then I realised how much better sin was

and I really enjoy sin now

[winter moss]

class balancing is hard tho

[rigid mango]

There's a reason there are people who are payed to do it

[winter moss]

more than ever nowadays

ever little aspect of the game has to be considered

[rigid mango]

Imagine if pvp balancing wasn't a seperate thing

Holy smokes

[winter moss]

yup

back in the day pvp sub RBG

CB, ambush backstab ded

[rigid mango]

I mean even with only balancing around m+ and raiding is hard

Sub is a perfect example

Gutted it because it was insanely broke for one fight, and in effect really hit the spec hard for m+ too

[outer vortex]

problem was, they gutted it after it didnt matter for that fight

[rigid mango]

Aye maybe so

but having a spec being that strong for one fight

means they can't ever make a fight resembelling that

Wouldn't sub be broke for mekka?

Pre-nerfs

[winter moss]

nah

you take dmg from bots if you hit em

[rigid mango]

Ah

Could imagine sub being really good for opu/champs tho

[outer vortex]

yeah would dump on opu

[sturdy python]

Sub was also dominant in mdi, so that nailed it

[rigid mango]

That being said, rogues are still a need for any high key it seems

[dark crag]

You get dmg from bots when you hit them?

[rigid mango]

On mythic

yeah

not on hc/nm

[dark crag]

They do regular raid dmg

[sturdy python]

If you hit the bots in mythic you die

[rigid mango]

You mean it'd be worth for a sub rogue

to take 47k per bot

hit

[dark crag]

Ok next reset i am going to fok right into them if we wipe

[rigid mango]

^

How high'd you rate TTK for m+, in general?

[cosmic pier]

good, allows funneling in aoe packs, and still is decent for ST on bosses

[strange python]

Depending on your group. Either very high or very low. I play with DH forst mage so for me very high!

[cosmic pier]

2 eb 2 ss 2 ttk is a good place to start for a dungeon build

[rigid mango]

Aye atm I'm running 3 eb 2 ss 1 sob

I'm just debating swapping shit around for some ttk's

Something like 2 eb 2 ttk 1 ss 1 sob

[wispy cargo]

does toxic blade increase the dmg of np trait?

[rigid mango]

It's nature damage, so yeah

[wispy cargo]

thts why the sims are showing stacking 3 are best for raiding tyvm

[brisk forge]

With perfect gear yes

[polar tapir]

so how does that work? does NP snapshot or just increase after you cast TB?

[winter moss]

nothing but exsang snapshots iirc

[polar tapir]

ok good to know, cheers

[fading wigeon]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[warm canopy]

So MA is the highest simming trait and I have 3 415s with it, but raidbots sims me the highest with only using 1 of them?

[rigid mango]

MA trait?

[warm canopy]

I mean Nothing Personal lol

Sorry

[rigid mango]

well NP is the best one of

The energy part of NP doesn't get increased by stacking

It's capped at one, so that's prob why

It's still one of the top tier as a 2nd and 3rd iirc

Sorta depends on what you're swapping out for the 2nd and 3rd NP

[warm canopy]

Yeah it's choosing to take blightborne and treacherous covenant over it

[rigid mango]

Blightborne is BiS pretty much

[warm canopy]

For a 3% increase apparently

[rigid mango]

as I was told before

[warm canopy]

Oh on herodmg it shows so low?

Maybe not low, but middle of the pack

[rigid mango]

Apparently one of, if not the best

[warm canopy]

Okay thanks

[winter moss]

trust the sim, so sim yourself

herodamage trait sim is simmed with on specific set of gear

[warm canopy]

okay I see what you mean

[winter moss]

may or may not fit for you but simming the individual character always results in the right answer

[pastel vault]

Ya I'm not sure why bloodmallet and hero Sim stacking NP as the highest, all of my combination Sims take 1

[warm canopy]

Okay I think my issue was just looking at herodmg/bloodmallet and going off of theirs too much

[winter moss]

bloodmallet/herodamage can give a hint what traits might be good

but this doesnt apply to your character

diffrent statcomp, diffrent traits, racial passives, day/nighttime, the price of oil/barrel

everything goes into that

[warm canopy]

For sure. Appreciate the help

[lone junco]

its really a good tool for seeing what might be good for you. or what tends to be great in ST vs M+

but once you actually have gear, you can work with that, using SmartSim and Top gear on raidbots.

[wary ice]

Oh Man; did some MA 15s last night what a rush

no EB no SS

:^)

[lone junco]

No EB? FOK FOK FOK. for 12k dps?

[ripe nimbus]

12k

[bleak spoke]

what the fok

[lone junco]

agree. I do not condone doing m+ without Eb or SS.

[strange python]

Someone told me my DPS was low during a King’s Rest, but didn’t realize I didn’t pop a move and spiked up towards 22K on Gold Bird boy

[lone junco]

"pop a move"?

like didnt press vendetta?

[strange python]

Yes lol

[bleak spoke]

i will now refer to using vendetta as poppin my move

[strange python]

pop pop

[bleak spoke]

this is the best of circumstances

[lone junco]

HOLDD
HOLLLDDDD

TIME TO POP MY MOVE

GOGOGOGOGOGOGO

them: did you just press vendetta?

yes.

at least Ret wings is big and brash and people know you're owning.

[wary ice]

@lone junco yeah it was really bad

[lone junco]

sounds like it

[wary ice]

I was doing a consistent ~22k just from Ruptures + DD

[lone junco]

and you do +15s?

[wary ice]

It was a 1 time thing

We wanted ST damage for a temple run

[bleak spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3d8WnfnKxcz6e1QDQTLirX also yay i broke 25k will probably be more when i redo sockets for raid

[wary ice]

Usually been playing Outlaw, but my outlaw azerite is much lower

Since i cant afford reforging; i just went in raid gear

[lone junco]

makes sense

[wary ice]

Pulled like 40k openers on bosses though 🤷

[lone junco]

raid kit 3dd +NP for bosses.

[wary ice]

I was 2dd 2 np 1 sob 1 TTK

I think my goal Azerite is 3eb 1np 1ttk 1 ss for M+

[bleak spoke]

Idk about that one man

That does like

Little of anything but pad

[strange python]

3x NP and x2 DD with 1 SS

i just use 3xEB 3xSS

nothing else has simmed as high

[lone junco]

I guess if you need the ST. but our warlock does more ST than me on a pretty regular bases

3ss is plenty

[wary ice]

My only problem with 3eb 3ss is that it really feels like at that point just play outlaw, your AoE is better and your ST isnt that bad in comparison

[lone junco]

I would never want to be limp dick cleave enough that I ran 3DD

[strange python]

I use 3X NP because 60 energy is good, but I might need 3 SS because I focus on garrote damage and rupture

[wary ice]

Does the energy gain stack from NP? i thought it was just damage

[sturdy python]

It doesn’t

[strange python]

It gives 60 I believe.

[sturdy python]

The energy doesn’t stack

[strange python]

Oh.

[lone junco]

damage stacks. effects dont.

[sturdy python]

It’s why the first trait is so much stronger

[spice surge]

With every trait, damage/healing/stats always stack and never anything else

[strange python]

Well. Guess I’m gonna go back to 3X SS and 2DD with one NP then

[lone junco]

NP wont ever be an M+ choice tool

more like, if you dont have a choice.

[strange python]

I use it as single target damage, been wanting to do mythic plus more.

[lone junco]

SS/np
EB/NP
TTK/Np

[strange python]

So gonna try to get one of the fan on knives traits

[lone junco]

2/2/2

[strange python]

2/2/2? That’s what I should be doing? If that’s the case I’ll find more gear traits

[wary ice]

Can you justify not running toxic blade w/TTK?

[bleak spoke]

No

Well yeah

[wary ice]

i guess

[lone junco]

what. is this crazy land?

no ss but want to run exang

[ripe nimbus]

What if i told u that even if u ran 3 SS and 3 EB ur ST was still good???

[lone junco]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-very-nice-gif-4295060

[spice surge]

Well, depends on what you define as good 🤷

[bleak spoke]

You do good spike damage in vendetta I guess

[ripe nimbus]

Not shit???

[bleak spoke]

And then it falls off real fast

Reallll fast

[lone junco]

the problem with 3ss, is that your first 3 targets die before the pack. if that is the goal, then yay, but otherwise, pack time is still relatively the same.

if your group pulls 3-5 mobs every time, then 3ss is god tier

but those 6-8s are gonna hurt

[wary ice]

^ I think SS over sims cause of that

Like you get a lot of numbers out of it cause of the constant restealths

but the value isnt really equivlent

[bleak spoke]

Eh I think SS is fine no matter the pack size unless it’s actually giga

The problem is chain pulling

[wary ice]

I think SS should always be a 1 of at least; dont get me wrong

[bleak spoke]

If you can’t get restealth then cya kid

[wary ice]

Im just not super convinced 3ss is better than running a TTK or something else to better your ST

Granted better asses than me say it is so I trust them

[lone junco]

Current meta is a blend of SS/EB/TTK. Adjust based on needs.

but no one out there was like. run 3DD and 3NP cause your gonna pwn the bosses so hard.

[wary ice]

ahaha; I never said it was a good ideal - just that i had to do it 😃

I would definitely not recommend

[ember forum]

The quest is finally over! 3x Echo 2x Shroud 1x Twist

[lone junco]

grats. now get your mongo crit

[wary ice]

grats monkey 😄

[primal gazelle]

is it all 415s tho

[ripe nimbus]

All that effort and coulda just played outlaw

Tut tut

[ember forum]

2 415s, 1 400

but i should get the Conclave chest in mythic this reclear

so 3x 415

[lone junco]

rip rogue.

My guy is stuck in last month

[ember forum]

@ripe nimbus i aint going that low, outlaw is sleeper

[lone junco]

2 healers quit at once, at least my glimmer traits own

[bleak spoke]

Gougebot gameplay vs garrotebot gameplay

[lone junco]

I do like gouge tbh.

[bleak spoke]

Yeh I’m memeing that’s actually the best part of outlaw

[lone junco]

kick gouge blind bte. repeat

[bleak spoke]

You’re not dring with stuns

[primal gazelle]

sry gouge is on the gcd, my dps is worth more than the interrupt!!

[bleak spoke]

And that’s just so good

[ember forum]

imagine clicking 1 button and doing ur single target rotation in reaping = 150k dps

[lone junco]

EYEYYE BEEEAAMAMMMMM

[royal lantern]

''laugh in dh skillbarrage''

[lone junco]

wait. is it fel barrage

[ember forum]

or thursting ur hands on the keyboard with triple echo and doing 150k

[bleak spoke]

You mean FOK?

[ember forum]

nobody can click FOK & CT faster than I can

[bleak spoke]

Press N and click poison bomb

[ember forum]

Poison Bomb

L o L

[bleak spoke]

Better with ttk build zzz

Also it does faster damage on reaping for the giga pad

[real bay]

CT

[bleak spoke]

Man I miss playing CT tbh

I think exsang ct build was so much fun

[spice surge]

Yeah i guess you can do 150k to reaping with CT