im usually around 30k dps with single target focus build
#assassination
bronze kelp
still goin for 80k+ dps on reaping so im fine š
but for fort weeks ill guess ill switch one ss for one more eb
especially with teeming
desert vault
I wish I could pull 30k. Only like 404 equipped though and I dont run high enough keys either. Been going back and forth from 3x EB, 2x ttk, 1x ss and 2x eb, ss, ttk.
bronze kelp
im also only 404 equipped
desert vault
Oh jeez. I'm clearly doing something wrong then :)
bronze kelp
maybe
rigid mango
30k on waht
desert vault
I do 22 to 25k overall
bronze kelp
its okay, depending on dungeon
30k on ML or FH, which have a lot of trash
25-28k on such dungeons like Temple or KR
desert vault
What traits are you running?
hollow stone
It depends on your tank pulling too, and group comp, and a number of other factors such as what youre doing for the group. Id say 30k+ is good for end of dungeon on meter dps
viscid crown
i think you should really go for 3 ss, other ones are kinda whatever as long as you have 1 eb coz why not, also in ml and fh you should play CT i reckon
hollow stone
Ct is poop. And a trap
real bay
did some 15-17s with outlaw and he did overall maybe 1k more, pretty much only beat me on reapings, bosses were quite equal, he did beat on some
hollow stone
Get more eb and dont run cr
Ct
With 2eb im pulling over 100k on reap using the dayvanie strat and just dumping fok after fok
viscid crown
ct is good, idk what youre smoking, for reaping it blasts and on freehold at least you get easy packs that can double pull
hollow stone
You do you. But trust. Ct is weak
viscid crown
idk if 35k overall in freehold 17 is weak for you
hollow stone
Nah, thats good. Clearly its working for you
desert vault
On reaping packs are you putting up two rupture then just fok and envenom spamm
viscid crown
the trap with ct is that you spend too many cp on it insted of keeping your 6-7 ruptures so youre low on energy and then u slowly become useless
hollow stone
Nah, just rupture sniping on reap and then just foking
With some env cause i have 2ttk too
viscid crown
i think you just use envenom to keep the buff up probably
desert vault
Like you fok past max combo points?
hollow stone
Yea
viscid crown
to spam fok every gcd you need at least 4-5 ruptures rolling
hollow stone
Depending on the reap size, fok w eb will do more dmg than ct or anything else
You dont for reap if you rupt snipe
desert vault
I have been doing it all wrong cause I was fok to 4 or 5 CP then spending it on envenoms
sturdy python
Just depends on how many eb, ttk traits, prio targets, and total targets you have
bronze kelp
On high enemy count u just rupture 4 targets then fƶl the hell out for pure aoe
As enemy count shrinks u use finishers again
desert vault
Huh ok. I normally run 2 or 3 eb traits so certainly be. Doing it wrong. So just open with 3x ss spread around and then another 3 or 4 ruptures spread around. Then just into fok?
Until back down to like 2 targets?
spice surge
You dont put up 4 ruptures when you have 3 garrotes rolling
You need a total of 4 bleeds to be energy neutral (assuming you dont have literally 0 haste)
So while the first 3 garrotes are up, you dont need 4 ruptures ontop of that
arctic harness
Next week is teeming fort, people still not running CT?
spice surge
Imo its never worth to run CT anymore
sturdy python
EB killed CT
spice surge
If you want that kind of "pad damage" you might aswell play outlaw
Its not pad per se, but it looks good on the meters but doesnt make your run that much faster
arctic harness
If the entire dungeon is about big amounts of trash, its not really padding
merry elbow
you are literally without a talent on boss with CT
candid jasper
Is the master assassin build the one to go for with the double dose/nothing personal traits?
spice surge
Like, does killing the small reaping souls 2 seconds faster actually make the run faster if you have to spend an additional 6 seconds killing the one with the smashes?
Killing the souls faster gets you more dps, but doesnt necessarily speed up the run
arctic harness
... who said anything about reaping, its teeming fort
spice surge
?
arctic harness
Regurgitating the same moot point about āmight aswell run outlawā everytime someone says something about aoe is pretty dumb
merry elbow
its not really dumb, if you wanna run CT because you need aoe dmg then yeah outlaw will do it better
spice surge
If you want to sacrifice a lot of low target count damage for better high target count damage, which is exactly what you'd do if you'd spec outlaw
instead of assa
Its not like assa does 0 aoe without ct :p
A single fok still does more damage than a ct cast
with eb traits
But sure, if you want to use CT go ahead
fleet whale
I'm currently at a spot in where with my two sockets, i have one mastery and one haste gem
that is how close they are for me
bleak spoke
Next week might actually be one to play ct on in dungeons with a lot of casters because mobs might be hard to group up for the pbomb
hollow stone
Nah. Next week is play outlaw week lol
bleak spoke
Well yeah but lol
Iām still not tryna play outlaw in kr or temple but honestly Iām really really not tryna play ct in those dungeons either
With bosses dying in some 1:30 lookin timer on 15s
hollow stone
Yeaaa
bleak spoke
So in a way the affixes donāt really affect any decisions
Except now I have a sub set I might play that next bolsto
hollow stone
Ew. But also yay. Somebody's gotta bring it back
bleak spoke
Yeah I havenāt played it at all this season
Just been alternating outlaw and assa every dungeon to see which ones I get more out of cycling AR vs being locked to vendetta
Thatās the main thing for me itās not aoe quality or st burst itās whether cooldowns line really
If they donāt then I play outlaw
hollow stone
Ive played sin all week to help prio shit down to avoid huge stacks since my other dps are mongos. And we have boomie prot warr dh for reap :p
bleak spoke
Yeah I think I want a macro to take flurry off next time this week comes around
Too much of me shouting I CANT STOP with grand melee rolled in aoe lmao
chilly obsidian
How much % of your overall damage do you guys normally do to raptor's on conclave?
dark crag
Nothing
chilly obsidian
Nice, I like that
hollow cradle
Hi,guys.
Does anyone have a weakauras for a rogue in 7.3.5 or even in the legion
Or throw a link please
dark crag
I stay on boss and let the mongo dps insta rape the raptors
chilly obsidian
That's the kind of validation I need
royal lantern
congratz, you are now a top tier prot warrior
dark crag
In mythic i maybe use 1 kidney if a raptor targets a worthy guy
royal lantern
idk, thunderclap and top dps
dark crag
And the raptor runs near boss
chilly obsidian
I had a tank shit talk me cause my raptor damage was low but was leading overall dps so I needed validation from other rogues
Thx
bleak spoke
If you donāt want to lose anything spec internal bleeding
dark crag
If raptor dmg is a problem spec outlaw, as assa you could single env them and thats it
bleak spoke
And the kidney pays for itself in terms of dmg per combo point and energy regen
Itās actually higher base dam than envenom
chilly obsidian
If raptor damage was a problem we should have kicked the 3k dps shadow priest
chilly obsidian
Pugs are a struggle
chilly obsidian
The struggles of a casual guild I hate raiding
Well I hate raiding with casuals I mean lul
bleak spoke
If youāre topping damage in a pug with someone doing 3k you probably deserve a better group
chilly obsidian
Thanks lol
bleak spoke
Donāt make yourself angry and waste your time for no good reason haha
chilly obsidian
The struggles of raiding with friends who insist on bringing shit guildmates
bleak spoke
Yikes
bleak spoke
I think even in full m0 gear youād have to be outstandingly bad to not maintain like 12-15k on any class right now
dark crag
Dead dps deal no damage
bleak spoke
Youād have to be outstandingly bad to die before paku wrath
As rdps
Like
How does that even happen
Iām actually confused
bleak spoke
Yikesssssss
bleak spoke
As a dh?
lone junco
it has got to be a timing issue with meta or something
bleak spoke
Jesus
No way
You can blade dance on cd
And do more than that
Actually
Afk auto and just spam blade dance
dark crag
Last hc run, one lock needed to go afk and was just placed there, pet hit the boss that guy did 1% logs with only pet dmg
bleak spoke
Who knows what goes through peopleās heads when theyāre playing haha
chilly obsidian
Anyone had any weird issues with jade fire?
We had the rings of hostility show up but we didn't teleport
strange python
Yea, monk always disapears when i pop Vendetta
or wait, what did you mean?
š
dark crag
Hahaha
chilly obsidian
So we were just right on the orbs
dark crag
Is it hp based?
lone junco
oy
chilly obsidian
My world questing alts are 390 so idk
storm pilot
any advices on galecallers usage?
bleak spoke
On cd
strange python
Use it when you gotta run, so you run faster.
bleak spoke
Line with every vendetta
storm pilot
ty @strange python
strange python
np friend ā¤
lone junco
@storm pilot hes trolling.
bleak spoke
Loool
lone junco
use it when you can stand still in the circle. or you get no buff.
storm pilot
?
lone junco
there is a circle on the ground. Be in it, or you get no haste.
on cd is fine. lining it up with vendetta is fine. but dont use it prior to movement. thats stupid.
strange python
And yes @storm pilot , i wasnt being serious. Dont do as i said, do what @lone junco and @bleak spoke said ā¤
storm pilot
I knew ur trolling so im a bit confused right now. Just thanks to all of u š U are nice guys ^^
bleak spoke
On some fights you can use it to kite too
I love that thing on opulence right side
Cuz if you drop it in md of the golem you move so fast
strange python
Using GCB to avoid the flames oO
bleak spoke
Yeh just donāt do it before room transition
Iāve been memed pretty hard
A bit of good news, my guild isnāt going to make me take ruby anymore cuz I linked a clip of ashine addressing guild masters who make rogues take ruby xd
strange python
Never had a problem taking the ruby gem myself. So good for you i guess D:
bleak spoke
Ahh you can reasonably pool long enough for the buff to just fall off is the issue
Cuz 2.5 seconds
Especially playing TB
strange python
link the clip, wanna see it š
chilly obsidian
I want to take opal :/
strange python
Well, if im carrying Ruby im sacrificing my own DPS for the better of the raids DPS. Thus i dont pool that hard š
bleak spoke
I mean I literally donāt have the haste to upkeep the buff
chilly obsidian
Ruby rogues unite
spice surge
I mean hes not wrong
But he is also not right
Rogues are decent for ruby because they're durable and dont die
strange python
Hes not wrong, im not saying that. But it can work, and i dont have a problem with making it work
bleak spoke
just because he is correct doesnāt mean heās right?
spice surge
Moreso than them being the most optimal applier
bleak spoke
Yeh to be fair Iām one of the idiots who never actually falls over until the very end of a wipe
dark crag
Bm hunter are best ruby
bleak spoke
I just donāt want to drop the buff or something and be upset
Does their pet stack it?
strange python
We have such a strong kit to be the last ones standing on a fight, makes us worth habing Ruby on even if its subpar
cobalt gyro
Rather not wipe the raid on otherwise what is a kill
bleak spoke
If they still make me take ruby Iāll play outlaw and just afk sinister I guess
chilly obsidian
BM hunters tho lul
dark crag
Don't know but they can use a skill 100% every 1,x secs
bleak spoke
Our issue is people not making it through he rooms without splattering anyway
And when they get swapped they tard out
royal lantern
p1 is the hard part of the fight anyway
strange python
yea for sure
royal lantern
you will need like 4-5 p2 pulls too get the kill
strange python
second time p2 we killed it
bleak spoke
To be fair I was honestly resigned to take the ruby cuz Iāll be top damage regardless
Like even with the two pulls we made it to the actual boss with the ruby itās like 5 fucking people total actually know how to play their fkn class zzz
royal lantern
nobody cares about your dps/dps logs on opulence
strange python
You dont have to pat yourself on the back all the time :/
royal lantern
thats 1thing people should learn ;P
bleak spoke
Yeah I donāt care either my ilevel parsed are gigadepleted lol
dark crag
On hc you all go right and only kill 1 golem, then you get good logs
royal lantern
well, you spend more time on p2 then
bleak spoke
I have a 99 anyway xD
royal lantern
wich means more opal stacks
chilly obsidian
That sounds cheesy and fun
dark crag
It is
royal lantern
all 100 logs are cheesy as hell
bleak spoke
Do you even take opal in that case
royal lantern
100 logs on fury warrior in legion?
do it with a guild
everyone except the warrior stops dps when you reach 30%
enjoy your fury 100 log
dark crag
With 1 golem you get more add spawns, opal is king
strange python
lads
scent of blood or unstable cata for grong?
ik it's minor but haven't put in traits yet
bleak spoke
Or do you go emerald and donāt move
strange python
Sim yo self!
royal lantern
i would go cata
royal lantern
doesnt help because catalyst always sims high
strange python
ye
fuck it
no real movement in the fight
so cata can't be bad
Id take scent
just to go against the majority
St it's a 300 dps difference
lmao
HUGE agility during add phase, tripple rup rolling
big big numbers
bleak spoke
Yeah just leave grong with full cp
The adds will spawn immediately as you refresh the rupture
ruby oxide
It would line up with vendetta/Plumage as well if you're running that trinket
strange python
you're a cruel man krem
bleak spoke
But instead of leaving for them just mutilate the boss twice
strange python
Haha, am i making you doubt the unstable choice?
š
lmao
get but it's minimal
bleak spoke
So you can open again with rupture vanish 3 g rupture
strange python
so idgaf
my guilds dogshit anyway
not like logs are achieveable
If its a minor differemce. id always go with the passive gain.
well
i dno if it's minimal
how do you sim a boss like grong
Get toss on you as Unstable spawns, and its wasted.
for example
bleak spoke
Idk my guild strugglebusses on everything but my progress logs are still purple/purple side of orange
bleak spoke
And they make me stay on the range add cuz our rdps canāt kick xd
strange python
lul
If you arent unlucky, Unstable is probably the way to go. But if you wanna guarantee you get worth from the trait you go scent
Your call if you wanna play the lottery or not š
real bay
unstable puke 
bleak spoke
Itās the only 415 chest I have and beggars canāt be choosers
Thatās actually not true but I play grong chest for outlaw m+
The adds spawn every 2 minutes and die after 30s at most
Or if your guild is throwing then you get a full second TB before theyāre both dead
This is actually an interesting question of whether scent is viable on that fight
strange python
If you're doing the tactic where you leave 1 add up, youd get 2 full rup on that add before it dies
thats 48s of 156agi
bleak spoke
Best case scenario you get back to boss as your garrote falls off if you kill one add and return
real bay
415 is 179 agi
bleak spoke
Like what I would do if my guild didnāt make me play both adds unlike every other melee would be to overwrite 4s of empowered garrote from the opener with a non empowered one
strange python
Even better! š
bleak spoke
Like do garrote rupture muti and leave
And then rupture vanish g g g rupture
And then you have Tb come off right there
desert yoke
does it depend on traits if i should be running master assasin or subterfuge?
strange python
yes
bleak spoke
And bleeds rolling on all three
Yes if you have shrouded at all run subt if not ma probably sims better
desert yoke
so one shrouded is already enough for subterfuge? i have 2x DD 2x shrouded 1x NP
strange python
without subt, the difference between MA and Sub is <100dps for me
desert yoke
was jsut checking logs for blockade and ppl seem to paly both
strange python
Blockade is ST fight, so go with your best ST setup
bleak spoke
Yeh on blockade I put the shrouded away usually
When mythic happens Iāll play exsang for that cuz I already know my rdps wonāt kill the adds
And Iāll have to vanish for them
And pretend Iām in m+
ruby oxide
Yeah, there's a reason the big guilds run like 3 melee for that fight
ruby oxide
Same.
marble elm
3 melee on blockade?
ruby oxide
We have 21-22 players and 5 are melee. A few of us are working on ranged alts and stuff
We're 3/9 as well
bleak spoke
Yeah I have a warlock I mained last tier and maintain weekly but
I love the rogue and I feel tepid about the lock
Like when I show up on the lock I still gun on the meters but itās not like the rogue where I give everything haha
ruby oxide
I'll be ruby-bitchin'it up on Opulence tonight, gunning for 4/9. But the fight is so long, if we can't progress on the gauntlet and see P2, I'm a little concerned. And we only have 3/20 players who can solo the golden shower
2 BoPs available
bleak spoke
We have 2 bops. Weāve made it through gauntlet twice
Our players donāt seem to understand the swaps after 7 hours of pulls
ruby oxide
What immunities are we going to use to mitigate Coin Shower? Battle Rez.
We pulled once for a dry run on wednesday and then we had someone disconnect and hte game forced an update that was taking forever so we had to swap to heroic
strange python
bop
bleak spoke
And the way they place gold in heroic makes me think they literally never have run Kings rest before
ruby oxide
Kings Rest is hard. Dead Key. GG
marble elm
you can soak the first one or two
bleak spoke
I love Kings itās big assa dungeon
The skill expression on the last boss is kinda nuts
When I see someone like seli run Kingās I know I have such a long way to go and thatās a good feeling imo
primal gazelle
lies
strange python
lies
strange python
ive always been on top and always will.
ruby oxide
Coin Shower on Mythic does 3.2million damage, is there an external setup to actually soak it as a raid? Seems like too much
considering you want rotations to cover greed's wail
marble elm
soaking the first is fine
marble elm
soaking the 2nd is fine too but if you cant handle it just do first
bleak spoke
So like 100k in darkness
And like 50k after feint for us
Thatās like two stacks of resounding
marble elm
feint is a dps loss
bleak spoke
Nah thereās multiplicative scaling on dam reduction
And traits and shit and other things
primal gazelle
why feint when you can blame healers?
bleak spoke
Loool
strange python
Stack Vers and soak em alone
bleak spoke
Plumage to soak :^)
golden relic
Just curious, who here acctually likes blightbourne infusion as a trait
bleak spoke
Everyone
civic palm
What is there to "like" about it? o _O
civic palm
l o l
bleak spoke
But itās got lots of uptime
golden relic
Idk its a 80 dps upgrade for me over a 2nd NP, but litterally the trait
is just pure puke proc
civic palm
Right so what is there to "like" about it, it either performs well or doesn't.
golden relic
what is so hard to understand about the question, it sims well but the proc feels shit when playing the game
marble elm
what is there to not like about it vs another nothing personal
bleak spoke
Feels like the 4cp mutilates happen a lot with it but thatās obviously feelgcraft
marble elm
how does another nothing personal feel better
golden relic
consistentsy vs a proc that c an proc when you are not doing anything
or it can proc but how good is that proc if its 80 dps over smth thats consistent
is that worth, imo no
bleak spoke
No itās not
golden relic
no ive already had gorak tuls for ages
but i didnt have first boss head until thursday
bleak spoke
If you play that piece in dungeons itās big dick though
golden relic
ye sorry im talking purely from a raid POV
bleak spoke
Yeh for raid Iād play np over it for sure
Cuz you choose when you vendetta
Thatās already stronger right
golden relic
Im not saying something is right and something as wrong im curious how the thought process of others is
civic palm
But that's... some special garbage.
bleak spoke
Sounds like youād have to be a nutter to try to get that to work
You know those tv credit things at the end of series where they tell you what a characterās doing with their life after the events of the show. āThis rogue is now trying to optimize incanterās flow on his mageā
Xd
civic palm
It's more about losing DPS from not triggering a proc, which is entirely counter-intuitive as none of these procs are worth that much DPS.
But from time to time you can simply switch to a target that you could make better use of that DPS.
But again, none of those procs do that much.
bleak spoke
Nothing like that buff at the end of legion right
civic palm
heh
bleak spoke
That people actually lined cds for
Err something legionfall
Idk I didnāt play then
ruby oxide
So you think we can soak coin shower with darkness, barrier, some personals? Personals need to be saved for greeds wail?
marble elm
Personals should be saved for people with liquid gold
bleak spoke
You can soak with 20 on darkness
Itās 3.2 mil right
Probably rallying too
How much does gold tick for on m opp
And will I care because I think Iāll have to outstandingly unlucky to get more than one that I can just sprint and drop with clos
ruby oxide
Is it practical to soak with 20? Does it overlap with liquid gold?
civic palm
bleak spoke
Dude thatās less damage than a mid level Kings key if thatās an issue I will flip
civic palm
Yeah haha
slow mortar
For m+(and if it is dependent on fortified/tyrannical), do you vanish on CD for trash, or use situationally in order to have it up for bosses? I try to use once after a boss if I only used it once on the boss (if this makes sense)
bleak spoke
Vanish on cd roughly for trash
You donāt need vanish for most bosses to do very good damage
So you might run into bosses with like 1 min of vanish and vendetta up
In that case you just save vanish for second vendetta or use it on CD or on third exsang or whatever conditional
If you need to burn a boss like in temple or Kingās in pure st try to really make cooldowns line well
slow mortar
Hmm gotcha, that'll give a lil boost to overall damage for me then
bleak spoke
Basically if the difference between a successful kill is the damage then line and save
If not youāll get more time from using on cd
Personally I play exsang gale for assa m+ so if my vanish isnāt up on pull I use it with second gales and hold second exsang for it
With three SS at 412 and the shittily optimized high haste I have it seems to be an st gain but your mileage will vary
If I could drop my haste to 10-12% I would be more careful about playing the cooldowns but that would be much more damage
slow mortar
400 plumage and 405+socket razor leaf with 380 gcb/dice, also slight aversion to exsang so after some dots i tb something to doom
bleak spoke
If youāre playing the poison funnel with TB then vanish on cd
Your vanish isnāt that relevant on ST cuz you donāt need to grab empowered garrote to make exsang chunky dam
chilly obsidian
What conditions usually make exsang better than TB? I always sim higher with tb
bleak spoke
Energy starvation
If you canāt maintain infinite foks during a big pull cuz youāre energy negative spamming fok with 4 dots out (11% haste) exsang global means you get to cheat
Thatās the biggest one
Also TB locks you to one target so in dungeons with many pulls where thereās no strong prio target
Exsang nor Tb nor vendetta are pressed on the pack at all
So think underrot freehold
If you run CT you put yourself behind on energy balance
So exsang usually makes it flow smooth
slow mortar
Same-ish logic for vendetta? I may use it for a big trash mob but usually have it ready for bosses
bleak spoke
In which case you garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 3
Uh I mean
(I havenāt been trolling until this last bit)
But actually you do three garrotes ct and then pick a rupture target and that first one you exsang as the global after rupture
So you go from having 4 rolling dots of energy to the equivalent of 6 rolling dots for 7 seconds
Then you can put two more ruptures out to stabilize before having to refresh ct again
Then after fok spam for another 4 seconds your first rupture falls off
Which means if you donāt crit then the very first non exsang rupture will fall off after you do second CT
And then you do fok ruptures until youāve refreshed your 4th rupture and like clockwork itās CT time again
And this is like 50k+ damage no matter what stats you have
But the thing is you actually start to ramp after these 33-35 seconds
Cuz you now have the energy to spam fok CT on big packs
By the time your ruptures start to fall off is when your exsang cycles
And then you can vanish for second exsang to redo this
Itās strong even if your tank chain pulls because you can roll the engine so to speak for 1:30
chilly obsidian
Sounds fun but more brainpower required then pressing blade flurry and spamming ss:/
bleak spoke
Yeah
Thatās why now I play outlaw in most dungeons xd
50k on pulls with true bearing rolled ez clap
royal lantern
play dh
desert yoke
is it only me or does my char actually sim quite for low that ilvl https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jdXre7GqFGZREUdWjRyEzP
royal lantern
dont even need too roll ;P
bleak spoke
š šŖ
chilly obsidian
I'm 403 and sim for about 500 less
green vapor
opener without any SS traits and running MA?
royal lantern
you dont have 415 azerite on all slots, no 415 weapon and not 10000000xsockets like some other people on this channel
sockets are op as hell and push your dps trought the roof
bleak spoke
Eleem what do you sim for now
slow mortar
I really really try usually
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4zDmaLPCtBtcELeTx1qo6K
chilly obsidian
Real rogues sim for 20 second Kappa
green vapor
was thinking wether to use toxic blade or 5cp envenom from vanish
bleak spoke
Envenom muti envenom and pray is one option
From 3+ cp vanish tox envenom muti is also valid
Second is more consistent but first can net you bigger damage
green vapor
alright cool, thanks š
fleet whale
first is basically how it worked in Legion, which is the one i would use but that is just because i am already familiar with that opener
chilly obsidian
I miss legion crit shoulders
vapid delta
regal tundra
pretty sure you cant
green vapor
possible to cloak coin shower on mythic oppulence?
drifting cloud
sure, u still die tho
civic palm
tidal jetty
rancid bobcat
Cloak used to have like a glyph that also gave partial physical reduction
royal lantern
who would put cloak on cd for a physical dmg reduction
still thicket
A question about sim and bloodmallet, currently i see a lot of rogues running SS x3 even though double dose sims higher, is there a reason for this? is x3 double dose better or no?
real bay
depends what they have, its better for st
hollow light
what's st?
drifting cosmos
Single target
dark crag
No
cerulean walrus
Can we like pin that we canāt cloak/evasion/solo soak coin shower? I see that question at least twice per day
crude stag
sorry
odd hatch
Does envenom work on coin shower for mythic opulence
cerulean walrus
Lul
crude stag
been told i can shadow step out of it if im fast enough tho
real bay
but does vanish for on it
dark crag
Shadowstep into raid, kill all
languid ore
Can two rogues feint the damage tho
golden relic
when u wipe on 2% mekka when u have rank 1 parse the MA life was delivering the goods
never doubt MA
dark crag
you mean you got no bot duty
royal lantern
high logs on mekka just mean you where lucky as hell
charred lantern
it was just a yes or no question
prime bison
yes you can stack but personal sim will give you more information
golden relic
i wanted to be the luckiest girl in the world
dark crag
I amost got super lucky then both tanks dc'ed
lucid carbon
TTK or ES preferred for m+?
grave elk
Besides my opener running MA is there any change to my rotation?
pale agate
anyone have a sim of a decently-optimized ilvl ~410 character? just trying to get an idea of easily i could swap my gear over
spice surge
I mean, besides azerite and trinkets its basicly get the highest ilvl thing you have
Perhaps a slightly lower thing if it has a socket
pale agate
I simmed myself earlier on dungeon slice, best I could squeeze out was about 28k. my outlaw set is ~33k, I feel like I'm missing something simple that could help close the gap a bit more
in case anyone is bored enough to look, sin: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8AdgHhHu8pQSbPh7c43VyZ outlaw: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8qpFigUTLVJJnGWU9KghYz
royal lantern
outlaw pulls bigger overall dps most of the time in m+ right now and your outlaw gear is better, idk wath you expect
get a better offhand weapon and 415 azerite
pale agate
guess there's no magic trick to it eh š¦
royal lantern
you should probably not try too get more raw aoe dps then with outlaw, and focus more on the TTK priority dmg build
cus if you sacrifice so much singletarget stuff too do aoe burst that is close too outlaw....you could just play outlaw anyway
pale agate
that's a great point.
sorry for the questions. checked slack history and ravenholdt, so as far as I can gather the TTK build is 3xTTK and run TB? would the remaining traits just be 1xSS 1xEB and 1 anything?
err discord history not slack
grave elk
what is ttk
pale agate
twist the knife
grave elk
gotcha
finally got a good dd ish set running for master assassin for raid. and i just got outlaw to outsim my sin for m+ aoe. so i can now just swap instead of having to trait swap gear back and forth which was just ridiculous in cost
warm harbor
@pale agate running 2 EB is probably is definitely preferable, is stacks extremely well and with reaping you want to be maximum your AoE potiental even on tyran weeks
pale agate
thanks, that makes sense
stable pine
Show me your 27k ST sim. Go!
calm depot
This might be a little vague, but what are you folks tips for improving? I'm decently new to rogue and my parses are fairly low, but looking at sites like wowanalyzer there are no red flags. What sort of tools/techniques would you guys recommend for diagnosing where my biggest issues are?
golden relic
look at a good log and go through it thoroughly and compare to your own
opener, Cd useage , energy pooling
stuff like that
watch ppl play rogue
on streams
spice surge
bleed uptimes and cooldown usage are probably the biggest ones
golden relic
if they have that like rotation addon that shows spells for viewers
can look at that during certain periods of fights
get an idea whats good to do
calm depot
In terms of energy pooling, is the goal primary to maximize actions within elaborate planning and toxic blade?
golden relic
u wanna pool for toxic blade so u can get like 2 envenoms within the time yes, or atleast 1 during a non period of CDs
if u have CDs u can prob get 3
warm harbor
you got any logs to link @calm depot , would be happy to have a quick look through one
calm depot
none that i feel great about, but sure, let me find one real quick
warm harbor
linking the one that you did worst in when you're not sure why would be best, will be easiest to find the mistakes
calm depot
I'm pretty sure in this grong I played okay for what I understand, though I did have to stand with one of our dps who was using the orb so there might be some weird breaks
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3CrRTKPVYGjvZ4pd#fight=last&type=summary&source=25
spice surge
What? You dont have to stand still with the orb?
calm depot
it was lining up with the fear timing (not sure if thats by design or just our dps rate)
golden relic
your sad sun profile pic makes me sad
calm depot
oh no
spice surge
I still dont understand what you mean, you can move after you've picked up the orb
calm depot
yeah the person using it was casting it during the fear, so unless they had someone with them theyd get feared
i agree that it doesnt sound like the best plan but thats what people wanted to do so i kinda just went with it
spice surge
Why couldnt the guy with the orb just stand in the regular group? š¤
calm depot
i think they wanted to pop it as soon as they picked it up, its something we'll likely fix on more clears, but this was our first week on heroic, so there are some weird choices
spice surge
But in general, your bleed uptimes are rather low, it should be 98%+ on both, you're around 90%
Also not using any potion will obviously result in a lot lower damage
warm harbor
@calm depot could early issues, you need more a lot more haste (200-300 min), you've got to switch some vers out at as vers is quite low weighting for sin, your traits are also limiting, scent of blood isnt terrible but is quite bad, you've only got around 90% uptime for bleeds on grong should be aiming for ~100%
torn shore
worth pooling for TB, but is it worth pooling to maximize uptime on EP? or just ignore EP as a passive?
warm harbor
consider switch scent out for either NP or DD
stable pine
Wait no 27k ST sim? Come on...
calm depot
so reset garrote early within vendetta?
@warm harbor thanks for all these, ill work towards fixing the gear issues and aim for higher bleed timing. what did you mean by 'could early issues'
spice surge
You use vanish garrotes before vendetta, otherwise you wont have it up for the entire vendetta
warm harbor
@calm depot on your second vendetta you dont toxic blade until the end, meaning that all that NP damage wasnt buffed
and was a typo class hahah sorry
calm depot
whaddya mean by NP?
warm harbor
also make sure you hold that second vendetta an extra 20 seconds or so to vanish/garrote than vendetta
Nothing Personal
torn shore
anyone fancy answering my nice quick question? š
calm depot
okay so save vendettas so they line up with vanish?
spice surge
Yes, you should also probably sim yourself, looks like you could pick better traits on your azerites
Doubt that twist is higher than another NP
warm harbor
yeah some other mistakes are, so for your vanish at 20 seconds you garrote straight after to proc Subterfuge, but then 5 seconds later you press garrote again completed losing out on that empowered garrote dmg
calm depot
okay so there i think what i was trying to do was get a second one in within the subterfuge window and might have missed it?
spice surge
But yeah, just using a potion (even if its prolonged because the regular ones are too expensive) will increase your damage by a pretty good amount
Thats like the easiest way to gain a lot of damage
calm depot
i mighta just done a really bad job on the first one matthew, generally im trying to do two garrotes in the sub window because the opener has it, is this right to do?
warm harbor
yep just do a double garrote straight away
calm depot
even if i overcap on energy?
warm harbor
this will increase the length of the dot by around 30%
calm depot
Eleem, yeah I get that, i wasnt potting mostly because we were 1-2 shotting a lot of these bosses. I figured that with where my parses are at even with pots I'm missing something significant
so for sub window, aim to enter with combo, then just double garrote?
with 0 combo**
warm harbor
yeah 0 or 1 combo is fine
warm harbor
so other than stats and gear the major issues I'd say or, dot uptime time, syncing your post-opener vendettas with vanish and toxic blades, and making sure you dont miss the sub window on your vanishes
calm depot
ha, other than everything š
warm harbor
you'll be right hahah
calm depot
that atleast gives me bullet points to aim for, thanks
stable pine
If youāre stacking NP do you TB before Vend?
heavy skiff
warm harbor
you should be TB in your NP/vend window yeah
ionic arrow
I just switched from outlaw to assa and I have a problem with "subterfuge".
In my stealth bar I have sap on 1, while on the normal bar mutilate. So subterfuge doesnt let me mutilate for 3 secounds.
Normally I need the 3 secounds for garrote, but especially in single target I miss some attacks then.
Do I have to rebind my abilitys, or is there a kind of bind, that makes my mutilate useable in subterfuge.
I would like to keep my main builder on 1 š
warm harbor
dont have a stealth bar
torn shore
anybody? worth pooling for elaborate planning? or just ignore as a passive?
calm depot
in terms of simming is the raidbots patchwerk profile a reasonable way to sim for this raid tier? is there a better/more accepted way to do it
ionic arrow
and where do you bind sap? @warm harbor
warm harbor
just have it on bars as per any other ability
@calm depot its general reliable for most fights for sin
lusty hamlet
My elvui profile doesnāt use the stealth bar for subterfuge
It switches as soon as I drop out of stealth
ionic arrow
okay I also use Elvui, maybe my loaded profil doesnt do this, I should use some default maybe š
torn shore
???
ionic arrow
My stealthbar stays in subterfuge
tame granite
is it just me or does assassin really drop off at around 30 seconds in
i can burst upto 35-40k then drop to 16k
fleet whale
Assassination has very high opener damage as well
maintaining envenom/EP will help alleviate some of it though
tender creek
anyone has a weakauras that only show the remaining time for garrote and rupture in the target?
I'm refreshing it to early and loosing dps
spice surge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tender creek
thank you
desert vault
When running 3x EB do you need hidden blades well for it be ideal or pb still ok?
rigid mango
@desert vault Hidden Blades is definetly not a need, I personally run PB all the time, especially on tyr weeks. CT is only really ok on teeming weeks imo.
grave elk
for master assassin. when vanish comes back up for 2nd time. is it just vendetta vanish tb muti envenom?
warm harbor
@grave elk its currently up for debate which one is better, whether or not you tb before or after vanish
personally i would tb->vanish->env->mut->env
opal mesa
Always do that. And pool before.
I have that trinket off mechatork too so I pop that + tb + vanish then env mut env mut env mut
rustic ether
idk how anyone thinks tb after vanish is better than having double envenom
warm harbor
just how the sims work out or something
someone recently mentioned it in the tc-research channel aswell i think
sturdy python
You still get the envenom inside TB and MA window
grave elk
so is opener still vendetta vanish tb ?
after the garrote muti rupture of course
@warm harbor
sturdy python
No, check guide for openers
warm harbor
i think it would be better to after the garrote muti rupture to muti ven tb van env muti env
if you do it the way you say you wont get 2 env's in the MA window
sturdy python
Ah the wowhead guide is a bit different than the RH one I see
grave elk
oh yeah i have only looked at RH
warm harbor
even so @grave elk go to a training dummy and test this stuff out
quick ice
To be fair, you won't always get those 2 Env in the MA window because it's not 100% crit. Sometimes it's Env mut mut
warm harbor
yeah thats very true, so doing the tb after vanish will give you more consistant dmg
prisma crescent
Anyone having actual success with MA in raid? I feel like I'm gambling with my dps
If that env doesn't crit it feels so bad
warm harbor
been using for m mekka prog, quite happy with it
river zinc
what traits do you guys aim for in M+?
prisma crescent
3xSS 3xEB
warm harbor
couple builds atm grom
3x TTK, 1x SS and 2x EB is also going around
like a psuedo sub rogue
river zinc
I would like a build that is good on Tyrannical and reaping basically.
Twist the knife is being used that much?
prisma crescent
Tbh though, i don't run Assass in M+
@river zinc You can't really build for ST and AoE
prisma crescent
You could try 3xDD 3xSS
I've been wanting to try that myself tbh
Can you even get 3xDD 3xSS?
idk
warm harbor
that would be kinda of problemic when choosing between tb and exsng
cause if you are going for prior dmg then tb w/ double dose would work but then you have 3x SS's than could be exsanged which arent going to be
no real point taking the extra SS's compare to EB
not your mention the extreme drop-off in dmg in reaping's and large pulls
lost sentinel
I don't think DD really makes TB that much more appealing, if really at all
prisma crescent
I feel like if you are going to run assass in M+ it would be KR/ToS so not a lot of value to be gotten from EB
Otherwise I'd just go Outlaw
Trait system makes it hard to play around with multiple builds which is a shame
primal gazelle
how sad would you be if this happened to you
warm harbor
@prisma crescent yeah that makes sense, not sure if having that third SS trait would be worth it over EB still. but yeah the reforge system sucks, just make it free like talents
nimble tartan
mmm
rancid spade
is Sapphire of Brilliance better than the agi pot in any scenario??
warm harbor
overall its more useful, you have to think about how you can line up its second use with lust and cooldowns though, since it has a 5 minute CD, im not sure if you can use it on pull and then just agi pot whenever, but yaeh 400 all stats is better than 900 agility, especially sicne haste is weighted so high for us
spare flame
Can anyone confirm whether its possible to cloak and soak all 5 frogs on Rastakhan? Ive heard its possible but i havent seen it done
stable pine
@spare flame yes it is
spare flame
So you only get the initial 5 puddles and nothing more?
stable pine
What do you mean?
rustic ether
the umping frogs
spare flame
When frogs goes off, the 5 pools spawn with frogs. Im assuming you sprint/cloak and blast through all 5 but does that stop them from jumping and leaving additional pools?
stable pine
@Wolfie yes thatās correct
spare flame
correct, ok
stable pine
The initial 5 pools will always be there
spare flame
Thanks for the info. Seems strong
rustic ether
kinda?
spare flame
My raid team likes to stand in things
rustic ether
your group shouldnt be putting that inot your strat is what im trying to say
spare flame
shouldn't be putting that not?
rustic ether
into :/
if your group is getting hit by avoidable dmg, tell them to get their shit together
you shouldnt be using cloak for that kinda thing when you could be using cloak for emergencies
mint peak
The only other thing worth cloaking on Rasta is the leap which you get 1 of at the beginning of the fight
By the time you need it for the hectic part itāll have been long off CD if you used it early
hybrid granite
What makes assassination so strong in pvp compared to the other two specs that it is the represented class in arena
Most* and I mean represented above 1800 according to the website
strange python
wat? is that a question? being highly represented doesn't make it a strong spec... it is highly represented BECAUSE it is a strong spec. for sin this is many reasons including garrote silences, being able to drop combat while still having dots on your enemies, etc
sturdy python
I mean he said its represented because its strong...
hybrid granite
I didnt say being highly represented made it a strong spec, I was asking what did lol
strange python
okay yea it wasn't phrased like a question and there was no question mark... that's why i asked what you meant lol
btw if that name is a reference to Sheldon's rogue from TBBT good for you! š
hybrid granite
It is a reference to TBBT!
supple hearth
strange python
well not to get off topic about other specs, but sub is actually still great at short-window burst... the problem is that raid bosses require more endurance dps and in pvp it's too easy for smart players to counter burst windows
I agree though... haven't had fun playing sub since HFC in Warlords š¦
bronze kelp
blizz has a lot to do in term of class/spec balance
proven wasp
For m+, is it better to use haste or crit ring enchants?
stable pine
Crit
willow pulsar
Depends how much haste do you have, but crit is the best for m+
rustic ether
@proven wasp for sin in m+ having the 3EB 3SS build, youll want really high crit, at least 26% or more, with minimal haste
if you're building with TTK youll porbably be focusing on ST so youll want maybe a tidbit more haste
winter gale
I assumed since my 380 galecaller simms better
š
How to excatly deal with reaping on 10 and above keys?
thorn tartan
Crying in 415 invocation
winter gale
I play with 3xss 1xeb
I feel I should max dot 2 or 3
They just die before that
I average arround 23-25k total
But on reaping I feel like I am doing much less than I am suposed to
401ilvl
real bay
if your group blows them up you don't have time to start blasting
night vale
Not necessarily true, with 3xEB I do average 80k damage to reaping waves
Fok + EB is like 60% of my damage on reaping
rustic ether
in order to be correctly "blasting" though, youll need to put up your three garrotes, and a rupture or two to be able to spam out 3 fok in your EP windows
night vale
Yeah ofc... tbh I triple garotte then usually have to put out 3 low cp ruptures so I can spam fok every gcd
real bay
if you have a dh and stuff you don't have time to do that in like a 10
just get some foks off
15+ different
some cases sure
fiery eagle
Anyone really struggling to put up good numbers in bod playing ass or is it just me?
solid nova
Post logs and we can see š
fiery eagle
Haven't raided ass for a few weeks been going combat
solid nova
Considering how well both those specs perform in general, unless there's something we can look at it's a 
rustic ether
yeah 15 and up the reaping mobs actually start having hp so that sin can help do dmg again lol
i think thats the main reason everyone is on the outlaw hype train
prisma crescent
Outlaw is meta regardless of level above 10
rustic ether
yeah im not saying it isnt
its just that class like sin and aff and spriests arent good in content where the mobs have 10 hp
real bay
how common is it for outlaw to run out of BF charges , I mean the guy I did some 15-17s with did few times , ripped dps right there
balmy condor
rustic ether
if theyre smart they only run out of charges at the end of the pull
real bay
ok
spice surge
Depends on how you define "meta". There are more assa rogues than outlaw unless you look at 20+, and even then its still like 60/40
prisma crescent
Who's playing assass at 20+? I still use assassination in ToS/KR but anything else I'm using outlaw
spice surge
Morningwind is the one with the highest keys done
round harbor
Morning, seli
spice surge
But not many people have tried assa with 3x twist
rustic ether
i still play sin because outlaw makes me suicidal š
spice surge
A lot still believe SS is the way to go
round harbor
It's very very very good
spice surge
Yeah, killing the big reaping souls at the same time as the small ones is š
prisma crescent
Tbh, I'd love to see how assa is played in M+, I'll check out seli/wind
bronze kelp
jep, two awesome assa players
they made me switch back to assa again, also to focus more on prio target/boss dmg.
if you got DH and frost mage, you dont need a third big aoe burster in most cases
prisma crescent
Looks like 3xTTT for Tyran and 3xEB or SS for fort...guess its worth a shot
bronze kelp
also for fort TTK is nice, especially if you got prio targets
problem on some dungeons is, that the trash is dying to fast cause of other classes aoe burst
spice surge
Its more like, you go 1ss and then fill the rest 5 slots with twist+eb
If you want more aoe go 3 eb, otherwise go 3 twist
bronze kelp
ill test 3eb 2ttk 1ss next id
rustic ether
this coming week tho youll prolly want eb ss
bronze kelp
as its fort SS maybe loses value due to longer living trash. need to sim that
and also you maybe want to let some big mobs die faster š
bronze kelp
thats what i said, didnt i?
spice surge
Yes
polar tapir
someone else said 3xss, 3eb for fort tho š
real bay
bronze kelp
you still can play that, its not bad, but maybe not the most effective
3eb 3ss does a lot of dmg
real bay
Better off taking blightborne or something instead of a SS
bronze kelp
but remember, after your empowered ss falls of the trait loses value
bronze kelp
if you got maybe got swirling sands trait, thats also good š
prisma crescent
Anyone else feel like SS isn't scaling as well as our class is? Seems like SS is getting more and more outclassed as we get more gear
prisma crescent
Sure but i feel like that gap is shrinking
bronze kelp
im running 1 or 2 SS atm depending on dungeons and affixes
2 SS cause im lacking of a good m+/st aleternativ
spice surge
Even m+ st
Its just that people didnt have any azerite options in uldir so everybody played SS because it was available
and array made exsang better too
bronze kelp
hm... oh well
i guess i got a better option ^^ just had that TTK /swirling sands piece on my assa gear š
tepid socket
Well imo ss/subterfuge isnt as good in higher keys, since you'll chain pull alot. Same with triggering reaping midpack.
bronze kelp
so i got 2ttk 2eb 1ss 1swirling
real bay
gief 2x EB 2x TTK 1x SS 1x Blightborne
tepid socket
Thats one of the reaspns why i started play outlaq
bronze kelp
dont like the playstyle
yes it does a lot of aoe dmg
but im got DH and frost mage in my group
and assa still does good aoe
stone crescent
What do you guys think of the Bile-Stained Crawg Tusks (The statless proc fist weapon from underrot) for outlaw? Heard it was a bis offhand for demon hunter, but not sure how it is for outlaw
tepid socket
Pretty good for ST but not aoe. Since it doesnt proc with BF
polar tapir
maybe ask that in the outlaw spec discussion š
feral shore
been hearing a lot here about some sort of TTK build, where can i learn more? I always thought it was mediocre at best
worldly iron
I rolled a new pair of shoulders yesterday and got a duplicate baddie shoulders
real bay
motherlode chest
feral shore
Legion Sublety style priority target damage? Aka spam FoK and Envenom priority target? Like if I wanted single target, why wouln't I just take DD
bronze kelp
cause you want aoe+st dmg
you are not a big help for doing dmg to exactly one mob
an DD is meaningless on aoe
and with EB traits you do good aoe as well + the nice prio target dmg
quick ice
yes sub style priority target
bronze kelp
not that hard powerfull, but pretty good
little sandal
its this good for assasination for m+?
covert crag
Clean your bags 
stone crescent
oops, sorry!
feral shore
Oh, I see. I feel like I spend more time dotting up targets than doing priority damage, but that's 'cause I generally do low keys (12 max). I'll look into it though, thanks!
bronze kelp
you normally only rupture 4 targets for energy reg, then start to envenom
- EB and TTK profit from crit rating
but one SS is not bad, cause of triple silence for 6 secs
exotic widget
DO you guys trust raidbots or bloodmallet+herodamage ? showing differently
quick ice
raidbots is for precise, HD/BM give rough idea
bronze kelp
yep thats the point
feral shore
So no point in refreshing garrote, only go for ruptures for energy regen? Like for raids I'm currently running 3Ć DD, NP+SS+TC, and those are 400 + 2 415's, but if i wanted to go EB, I have to run two 385's, which sucks, might as well look for some TTK's in there
Like, the fact that I have to run so low azerites and I can't another 400 dagger for shit kinda tilts me to run outlaw on fortified weeks
exotic widget
Dead-Eye spyglass loses value on target switching right? whats the ramp up time?
bronze kelp
u dont refresh garrote
bronze kelp
nope, dead-eye is fine
spice surge
You dont have to auto attack the target, any damage source will trigger it
bronze kelp
it only uses value if it procs on a low life mob which dies before the proc runs out or is fully stacked
spice surge
So fok/bleeds will both trigger it
exotic widget
i got 400 dice and 405 + socket dead-eye spyglass. the spyglass is simming a little higher
bronze kelp
and what is your other trinket ?
exotic widget
415 lumstrous
bronze kelp
im running dice + spygalss atm
hm..
crit is more worth when running EB or TTK
@feral shore you just garrote 3 targets out of stealth and start rupturing
if targets die very fast, dont rupture it
or at least not all of them
feral shore
Yeah, still need at least some for energy regen, got that. Given all this, haste kinda loses its value, right? Since I'll do way more damage via envenom+fok spam than to rely on bleeds. Same goes for mastery. And since Fahwi already mentioned that crit is more worth it, I might consider regemming and stuff - only got 24% crit right now
As for HB vs PB, this choice depends on the count of EB traits and crit chance?
bronze kelp
24% crit is sure a bit low, should be around 30% or higher
im playing PB only cause of the ST component
CT has zero value on bosses
and PB does good dmg. CT is well for giga pulls on fort, but for tyra i would prefer PB over CT.
- as you play TB with TTK, PB gains also from the TB debuff
feral shore
Good point. I was just considering HB 'cause of the RNG of PB. It's not as bad as in legion, but I feel like it's still significant and doesn't proc as one would like it to proc
shy axle
why suddenly TTK in the mix? At the start of the season everyone talked about 3 Eb/3SS - whats the pro of using TTK ?
quick ice
priority damage
lament dove
with 2+ EB, HB will do more dmg on ST than PB
spice surge
No
lament dove
it does for me
spice surge
In my gear setup HB sims 1% behind, and since its bosses we're talking about then it works to sim
And that also assumes you go into the fight with full stacks, which you wont most of the time
shy axle
on St you do always tough. Wait for full stacks, use fok
spice surge
Yes
But you will not have 20 stacks when you pull the boss
Because you cleared trash
shy axle
no offense man but in general such big amount of nitpickery on such little things here, the essence of the question gets ignored for the sake of "being rigth"
lament dove
you sometimes forget to press FoK during a bossfight though^^
spice surge
Well, a lot of people here seem to spread missinformation, and if the goal is to help players get better then providing the right info is important
Atleast to me
sullen pagoda
Also hb isn't practical, it's crap talent to play around
lament dove
all I'm saying is that if you have 2+ EB it's just a switch of a talent, you can try it out and see for yourself
ofc it's not the same for everyone, it depends on your gear, team, instance etc.
strange python
I have 2xEB and I have tried HB just becouse... why not. And the value you get out when pulling very fast is close to zero. I could not find any value at all with it. Personal experience ofc but I did not see any good use of it. To be added we do some high keys were I only get like a millisec to restelth between pulls so I never went in to a pack (after AoE) with more than around 1-3 stacks. =1 proc of PB did way more damage
wild kindle
is there any comparison betewen outlaw and assa? how much behind is assa ?
night vale
I mean itās fairly close in terms of overall dps in high keys... obviously outlaw does more damage in the vast majority of keys... in my own personal testing, freehold is like 33k dps as outlaw and 30k as assassination
Most keys it seems about 10% ahead for me
Thatās just my personal view though
spice surge
Yeah seems about right
But its worth noting that a lot of that damage is "sniped" by doing damage to low hp targets very fast (such as the risen souls). Outlaw will do higher overall but what matters is the speed of the key, not your overall dps
bleak spoke
man, i just tried to play a key with no EBs for poison funnel and it was fkn disaster
spice surge
Well why wouldnt you play eb?
bleak spoke
cuz was talking to ashine about the build and he said if you followed the logic all the way down why wouldn't you just not play any EB at all so you don't kill the mobs you're generating cp from
and since my key was a siege thought i'd give it a try
strange python
I did a SoB last week and priodamage the big mobs such as Commander in every pack
Every single pack died at the same time. It was super smooth. It is worth more than overall
bleak spoke
i'm pretty sure it was the first time i've lost to a DH in overall in weeks and the key depleted too
though there were some... misunderstandings with the spotter
wild kindle
i mean topping meters is usually about killing something faster before others do so u can grab the free aoe chunk for yourself
steep obsidian
the pack only dies as quickly as the highest hb mob
that is the strength of the build if you want reliable mass cleave of course ol is gonna be better
spice surge
Not necessarily true, you can pull mobs that are still alive with the next pack in a lot of cases
But yeah
steep obsidian
its a bit weird that it took the niche that sub had and yeah that too i guess
i havent really tried ttk build myself though hope hey don't nerf it
be just like blizz for them to do it
spice surge
Sub still does more prio damage by a fair margin
Its just that assa can do decent aoe and st with the same setup
buoyant coyote
On Opu M can we Evasion/cloak the shower?
steep obsidian
no
hardy mulch
is there a merit to tracking envenom duration?
hard gust
hey im looking at the opener for assassination rogues without shrouded suffocation and it says to vanish at 5.4 seconds left on garrote "or less with subterfuge" what exactly is "or less"?
buoyant coyote
