when 20-30 spawns on you, 45 energy x3 seems like alot
#assassination
sturdy python
Fok on 2+ at any EB traits or only 3+?
cobalt gyro
genius
civic palm
/wrists
strange python
oh my god
raven mica
Pls tell me that’s a pug
supple hearth
primal gazelle
hm..
im trying to figure out at how many targets is it not even worth to garrote on reaping
cobalt gyro
probably is worth at the start if you get a restealth
primal gazelle
thats true if they come staggered
cobalt gyro
ya, might as well if you can
primal gazelle
ive been doing keys with an insane tank and he makes sure to kill mobs all at the same spot so reaping spawn together
This is an example of a reaping pack. Hitting 11 mobs on average based on Casted/Hits of FOK
3 cast of garrotes for 82.5k avg = 247k dmg
My FOK avg cast 59.1k (37.4% crit rat) procced EB 8 times for 2m damage, about 250k dmg each EB proc.
If i spent 3 globals on FOK instead of Garrote, I would've done
(59k x3) = 177k damage, with at least 1 EB proc for 250k damage,
That's 427k for opener with 3 foks instead of 247k vs garrotes
can yall tell i love math
civic palm
No
fleet whale
How do you think Zandy trolls are gonna be for rogues?
pastel vault
bleak spoke
ma is garbaj
round harbor
At extreme levels of crit it'd make sense
bleak spoke
you're going to get those fok crits anyway
primal gazelle
i reallllyyy wanna be the ultimate meme and play 3 eb 3 ttk with MA
how troll would that be???
bleak spoke
yikes
round harbor
Not that troll
primal gazelle
take it a step further and use deeper stratagem
round harbor
I saw morning play 3eb 2ttk to good success in 21fh
bleak spoke
literally a sub rogue
round harbor
I didn't see it all though
cobalt gyro
discount sub rogue
bleak spoke
^
cobalt gyro
only discount bc shuriken combo sub rogue would crit 250k lmao
bleak spoke
you can take an SoB and pretend that rupture is actually nightblade
to make the cosplay more realistic
cobalt gyro
no if you wanted to make it realistic you'd re-roll to DH
bleak spoke
that''s a yikes from me dawg
primal gazelle
why reroll dh when rogues do more dmg
bleak spoke
Pretty sure we’re equal on aoe and better on ST with most setups now
Whether you’re playing bleed or funnel
sand otter
safe to assume going SS x3 is good for M+?
bleak spoke
Yeah it’s a safe choice
sand otter
ok, its either that or X3 double dose
cobalt gyro
yes but i wouldn't only run SS, you'll lack a lot of aoe without EB or ttk
sand otter
and im guessing its better for SS
bleak spoke
Don’t run any dd if you can help it in dungeons
cobalt gyro
good luck convincing most people monk > dh
round harbor
Ww is top tier
cobalt gyro
best strength of ww imo is it doesn't spec into anything different for aoe
round harbor
Rop is better utility than anything dh has
cobalt gyro
so you get a full ST build for dungeons
bleak spoke
I still think for live keys rogue ww dh is biggest blast to safety ratio
round harbor
There is no dungeons where triple melee is "bad"
bleak spoke
If you run a range heals then it’s fine
round harbor
Yup
bleak spoke
Really high fh keys maybe
round harbor
And in that comp ud need a rdruid anyway
bleak spoke
Or really high Tol keys
round harbor
How so
bleak spoke
Kragg
round harbor
You can fit 4 people in safespots
bleak spoke
Yeh but if your ww gets shot four times you probably wipe
cuz it's like karma darkness rally then what
round harbor
For first boss fh?
round harbor
Stam flask
primal gazelle
i actually stam flasked for the 21 fh
bleak spoke
there will be a point where that's not enough though innit
bleak spoke
but i guess you can argue there's a point where feint's not enough either with that same argument
so it's kinda a wash
round harbor
If you have to feint every other shot it's rough
That's a fuckload of energy not being spent on dps
Then you run into dps checks
bleak spoke
yeh but you're pooling in that global anyway
primal gazelle
dont really have a choice tho
bleak spoke
cuz you have to give yourself the option to feint
round harbor
How much was he hitting for on the 21
bleak spoke
so if you don't get it then it snaps back innit
round harbor
Over 200k?
bleak spoke
and you get your dam back
primal gazelle
i forgot to log that but it proced my cheat death instantly
bleak spoke
ow
primal gazelle
without feint
cobalt gyro
i got hit for 208k in like an 18 FH so
primal gazelle
stam flask i had 240k hp
round harbor
If so you'd have to hold cloak for if a shot is going out and your not topped
primal gazelle
we didnt get hit by any pools in melee which was good
bleak spoke
yeh was gonna say i depleted an 18 FH cuz ppl just got shot and died and they gave up lol
yeah you need healer to bait for sure
primal gazelle
ya pool + shot = insta death
round harbor
Nah
bleak spoke
maybe not 15
round harbor
Pool is predictable
bleak spoke
yeah you predict it'll go on the healer :^)
primal gazelle
how does the healer bait btw? i know they can do it but idk how its done
round harbor
It goes on the closest player to the bird when the spit goes out
primal gazelle
since i just tunnel the boss
bleak spoke
they just stand at range
primal gazelle
ah
round harbor
So of boss is over top melee pile you know it's gonna go on yoy
Not true
Closest player
Otherwise it's never drop innmelee
primal gazelle
i think rawr is right on this one
bleak spoke
yeah i know he is
i'm just having trouble grasping it
mostly cuz i just tunnel boss
and never re
round harbor
Have your tank look at the sky
Since he ain't doing anything else
And not in danger
round harbor
One spot ground is ok, two and you need to relocate
They dont
Do fh a bunch of times
It'll go on melee
bleak spoke
yeh i've done fh alot
i just assumed that when it went on melee it shouldn't have haha
cuz of some outranging thing
round harbor
Hashtag the more you know.jay peg
I learn shit every day
I know they fixed the sitting in stealth on the second boss in ml so it fixates u now. But after that starts if you vanish again and sit in vanish for a few seconds it works the same
You'll drop fixates
Although sin is a good fixates target imo
Outlaw it's worth imo cause you can nuke the adds
sturdy python
Yup, gotta blow cloak for those
round harbor
See I know cloak works but does evasion?
We usually just pull one of those in Mass packs and sub it down
Then chain pull the next
cobalt gyro
evasion does not
round harbor
Yeah didn't think so
cobalt gyro
you dodge the auto
round harbor
I have when people run out
cobalt gyro
but it's not the auto that kills you
strange python
i'm trying to sim a standard trash pack in m+, anyways of doing so? was thinking dungeon slice or doing 6 bosses @ 40 seconds as patchwerk?
strange python
oh yeah that prob would be smart
obtuse ruin
does garrote always damage every 2 seconds?
I mean do bleeds do damage once every two seconds?
strange python
Are there any 2k+ plus io sin rogues in here?
strange python
What traits do you run? I’m currently 1.9k io but I’m plateauing at 30k damage overall for each dungeon and I need to do more dps to push the 19s with my team
cosmic pier
depends on the week my default fort setup is 3 eb 2 ss 1 sob (would be a 3rd ss but i dont have perfect azerite yet). default tyran is usually 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss, sometimes 3 ttk 2ss 1eb if the pulls are smaller because of affixes, dungeon,, etc
strange python
What do you usually average?
cosmic pier
whats your comp? that could also be hurting your dps if they forntload their aoe damage
depends on the dungeon, affixes etc, between 30-38k
strange python
we run monk rogue spriest dk resto
cosmic pier
monk dps or tank?
strange python
Dps
cosmic pier
so its pretty similar to my team, except dh over monk
strange python
I’ve been running double dose this week but maybe I should do another ss
How much crit would you recommend?
cosmic pier
i personally think you should run ttk over dd, since it also helps on trash with prio damage
im sitting at ~30%, which feels ok but the more the better
my gear is also pretty haste heavy unfortunately, would like more mastery/vers for fort weeks
strange python
What’s ttk by the way
cosmic pier
twist the knife, the envenoms trait
strange python
It’s getting frustrating with assassination because I feel like there’s a damage ceiling. Don’t want to play outlaw though. Ah, yeah that would def be better.
cosmic pier
there is a ceiling for sin, but your advantage is that you can infinitely sustain that damage, where as outlaw depends on flurry charges
is you priest running the 3x shadowy apparition trait build?
small island
for those of you that play assa in m+, how much haste are u running this week with tyrannical?
cosmic pier
ive got about a 1000, could be less but if feels decent for bosses
strange python
I’m not sure what he’s running atm. But I usually out damage him. Thanks for the tips. Will get rid of double dose
cosmic pier
yeah my priest wins nearly evertime
by a lot, his ramp up is insane with the apparitions
strange python
I’ll suggest the apparitions if he isn’t running them already
cosmic pier
the crit proc spyglass and loaded dice
cause its all i have
when i get the mekka trinket on mythic will probs run that + dice tyran weeks, or mekka + spyglass for fort
crit is king essentially
strange python
For sure. Thanks! Will switch a few things up and see how it goes.
strange python
anyone notice that gift of the loa gives +158 agi not 150?
rose perch
+5% agi from wearing all leather?
blazing tulip
Hi, I have a question regarding the opener part of the assassination guide.
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Vanish
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom```
In theory, isn't better to have the Vanish for the first envenom?
```Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom```
I was testing and the mutilate with the MA buff always awareded me 4CP.
Isn't 2 envenoms with MA+TB buff better than TB+Mutilate+Envenom?
opal ruin
Quick Question regarding CT - In a single target situation if you have CT talented is it worth using just to maintain the DoT or just spend CP on Envenoms?
vestal wren
ct is not worth on st
blazing tulip
Got ya @gusty kestrel. Thanks anyways.
Yeah, i didnt consider it being RNG. I went with what I noticed in-raid the past couple of weeks
I get the proc because of trinkets + weapon enchant already up raising my crit to cap with MA i think
vestal wren
there is no cp condition for vanish in the apl
so it does not use vanish-env by default, the cp situation decides what is used after vanish
blazing tulip
Thanks!
vestal wren
you decided to bring apl in the discussion and are now complaining
rose perch
yes that's a good setup for single target encounters
scarlet wing
thanks
vestal wren
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
buoyant coyote
does will of forsaken work on ice nova thigny that freezes u on jaina?
rose perch
i don't think so, i think it only does charms, fears, and sleeps
vestal wren
does not work
thick galleon
what can use when party over stacks bolstering?
rose perch
do you mean Bursting since that's what's active this week? Cloak of Shadows
you can also spec elusiveness and use feint if you want
river zinc
So bloodmallet is showing NP as the #1 trait.
when simming myself no matter how many NP's I have it always chooses 3xDD 2x Treach and 1xNP
Bloodmallet is showing NP better across the board though.
Can anyone help me understand?
rocky ruin
Bloodmallet doesnt included your gear
It use a gear all over the board
Top gear simming is always more accurate cause it use your gear what you have
vestal wren
bloodmallet uses the st gear/talents on aoe sims also
brisk forge
Gotta have the same gear as BM use
spice surge
Also, bloodmallet shows second NP being worse/equal than DD
rocky ruin
Bloodmallet is a good guideline but simming your own char is always the best solution
vestal wren
a good rule of thumbs for NP is:
#1 - yeeeeess!!!
#2 or 3 - sim it
vast forum
correction
only if u run TB is the #1 - YEEEEES!!
for me, with exsg, TC sims better than 1st NP
so #1, #2 and #3 are all - sim it 😄
vestal wren
did not expect such a big value loss
spice surge
Well, exsang in 2k19
vast forum
don't diss exsg
vestal wren
vast forum
sims higher for me than TB in every possible gearset
and i can run 3xDD or 3x SS
then again i sim for ~24k while i've seen ppl sim for 26k here
rocky ruin
TC boost overall dmg and tb boost posion
vast forum
exactly
river zinc
TC is lame though..the sim is assuming 100% uptime
unless you change it to 80% or something
river zinc
in raid I believe that
spice surge
In raid you most definitely do not get 80% uptime, except on stuff like jaina
Most bosses are 95%+
rocky ruin
Well if you ignore mechanic
vast forum
?
rocky ruin
In cost of the raid ^^
vast forum
what type of mechanics are you talking about?
when do you ever "ignore mechanics" to stay at higher health?
rocky ruin
Its about TC and not NP anymore?
vestal wren
the ST Tier profile does not even use TC
rocky ruin
Just wondering Azerite Piece with Blightborne will only available from the azerite trader right?
rocky ruin
Let me guess only WCM?
vestal wren
both blue azerite pieces are from m+
undone pumice
Can u link the whole gear profile @vestal wren
river zinc
Another questiion - for ST only MA vs Subterfuge..how do I make a educated decision?
undone pumice
ty
vast forum
@river zinc you sim it 😛
vestal wren
keep in mind that m+ items are base m+ itemlvl int he profile, so it does not consider wf/tf
the diffrence between sub and ma is usually not to big, this means a lot of ppl run sub all the time
spice surge
fuu do you know if the crucible items are in simc yet?
vestal wren
not sure, trinkets look like they need some custom logic and dont work by default from spelldata
spice surge
The trinket from the last boss looks absolutely insane for assa
The one that does damage to you while its up
But it has agi baseline and on-use mastery with 2 min cd
vestal wren
i am not sure if i am excited about those trinkets
they seem to be rly good but also have negative side effects
iirc you cant remove those with cos
spice surge
Its also baseline 425/410 on m/h
undone pumice
Its like TC they do it for some reason
they want to make op dps gains to have downsides
vestal wren
TC is not a issue
undone pumice
it could be
if u are low hp and u have debuff and u get a tick of something u might die
spice surge
You are (almost) never at that low hp for any substantial amount of time in raid
The downside of tc is basicly non-existant in raids
vestal wren
you should not drop that low, if you do (unintended) then you might have other issues in the raid
rose perch
this definitely looks like a bigger drawback than TC yeah
spice surge
Ok fuu having the trinket up for a long time is a big oof
394k monkaS
Total damage taken*
vestal wren
i assume healers will need to heal agains that for logs
thick galleon
hm where do those pants come from?
vestal wren
first boss of the upcomming raid
hard gust
how is assassination faring in m+?
vestal wren
you can look at it on wowhead (those are the links)
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/the-restless-cabal-crucible-of-storms-raid-strategy-guide
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/uunat-harbinger-of-the-void-crucible-of-storms-raid-strategy-guide
raven mica
Wait do the autoattack boots drop off of first or 2nd boss?
spice surge
2nd
The autoattack boots and the trinket really do have anti synergy with each other 😄
raven mica
Those look really good, especially since they drop 410 from heroic and there’s no leather boots in the raid past 400
vestal wren
probably not to bad
desert vault
I like the boots. Not sure which trinket you are talking about. I looked at the loot tables the other day but forget
stuck knoll
There's a trinket that gives like 1k mastery but every second it does 1k +1k * n damage to you for 30 seconds
viscid crown
boots feel like theyll be really good for outlaw, since they tend to aa more with alacrity and grand melee
grizzled jay
Don't you love it when other classes tell you Outlaw is Miles and miles more dmg than Sin in M+
viscid crown
tbf i thought that until a couple days ago on ashine/undaddys streams coz at the start of the season it did seem like it
then i saw ashine do 45k overall as assass in fh and it made me think a bit 😛
stuck knoll
Both are good Outlaw is just easier to gear
viscid crown
yeah
i think sub has a place maybe also, when youre playing with an organised group
dry thicket
what traits do you want with sin? 3 SS 3 EB?
viscid crown
nah not 3 eb, 3 ss prob the way to go, i have 1 eb 1 ttk and 1 sob with 3 ss
distant helm
im running 2 eb, 3ss 1 treach
viscid crown
tc is good too yeah
distant helm
how much mastery are you guys running? im realy feeling like my stats weights are weird
im 21 crit, 16 haste, 41 mastery
viscid crown
dungeon gear is 27 crit 37 mast 16 haste
distant helm
thats the highest simming one i would guess
distant helm
ahh
viscid crown
i could drop some haste tho
viscid crown
i dont know honestly of any breakpoints, 15 might be a sweetspot for it
versed palm
most sin rogues just sticking on boss in Conclave fight instead of breaking off for dino adds? (other than those that are in range w/out diverting from boss)
viscid crown
i tend to throw a rupture/muti on the close ones
steep obsidian
i mean there are some crossovers with the adds coming out of the stack in the circle bit lor where you should be helping at the very least imo popping out a kidney can help a lot
no one would expect you to do decent dmage to them as sin though thats silly
versed palm
sure thing - our guild is having a bear with that fight and I'm trying to find ways to get past a few trouble spots. The dinosaurs are one and everytime paku's wrath pops it's like we hold our breath to see who dies
strange python
Well, doing mechanics > DPS.
So if you're raid is struggling with the adds, help out and take it from there.
steep obsidian
dps on the fight helps a lot though
for a first kill its a reasonably tight healing check
and dps check
i mean not tight but not easy if that makes sense
if you just getting to it now
strange python
Check logs, who is swapping to the adds? Enough people swapping, or are people just braindead tunneling boss?
versed palm
i think it's more panicked running from them rather than a calm disposal of them
strange python
No need to run if you aint fixated, even then you only have to run from the one fixating you when it gets close.
Calm and steady wins the race
😃
versed palm
aye
strange python
Was talking generally, not rogue specific 😃
versed palm
ya we have a lot more resources we can use on the fight - using 2 locks and no gateways have been placed down, so i think that'll help a lot with people's ability to avoid
smoky bluff
Any preliminary works on zandalari racials and rogue dps?
late whale
Can anyone tell me why herodamage says Lustrous Golden Plumage is one of the best trinkets?
latent gazelle
lines up with Vendetta
drifting cosmos
Do 2 OP trait stack haste number or proc rate?
quasi pewter
haste number
drifting cosmos
Do ppl use 2 OP traits stacking? From Sims it looks good
drifting cosmos
I mean in m+
rose perch
yeah overwhelming power is great get as many as you can even in M+ imo
chilly obsidian
PogChamp boys I high rolled ss/eb shoulders from the vendor. Could be going back to playing ass in m+ :o
chilly obsidian
You are correct I am a poor metaslave:/
modest badge
hasnt plum always lines up with vendetta? why it top now
hollow stone
Its always been good
But without everyone going exsang, gcb's value dropped. Making the two very close
Thats my guess anyway
abstract kayak
whats better more traits of shrouded suffocation or Nothing personal?
abstract kayak
raid first mythics second
cosmic pier
finally Pog
fading wigeon
latent gazelle
Sim your character with both and see what it says
strong needle
I'm having a discussion about sim with my guild and we do not agree on which tool is better. What you guys are using ? Raidbots or MrRobot?
stuck knoll
Raidbots
spice surge
MrRobot base their sims of "inhouse experts" while raidbots (simc) is open source and everybody can contribute and see
So the answer to your question is raidbots
strong needle
That's the one I use, just wanted to see others opinion 😃
valid spoke
During Toxib Blade, do you want to spam as many Envenoms as possible, or just go for 3 to maintain Elaborate Planning? E.g. Is it still worth to pool energy for TB, if vendetta is up on the target and will fall off before the next TB?
distant helm
sometimes lucky
if i get the conclave chestpiece now im gonna have 3ss and 3 eb
modest badge
not jealous at all
random stone
What are the best trinket ?
distant helm
well what else instead of the 3ss
spice surge
Yes, in general the consensus for assa m+ trait have shifted
karmic ingot
I use both raidbots and AMR. AMR had the NP trait simming correctly while it was bugged in SimC for months.
spice surge
A lot of high end players (that still play assa and dont play outlaw) are going for 3x twist/2eb/1ss
chilly obsidian
Why 3 ttk for m+?
karmic ingot
Discount shuriken combo.
echo sphinx
has combat overtaken Sin??
modest badge
yes, yes it has
chilly obsidian
For m+ more people are playing outlaw
echo sphinx
is outlaw overcome in raid too?
sturdy python
No, assassin is still the preferred raid spec
drifting cosmos
🤔 outlaw st
spice surge
Outlaw isnt even bad on ST
stuck knoll
It's just got 0 burst
dapper forge
What's the idea of using internal bleeding on mekka mythic. Use it on bots or mekka or...?
spice surge
No, there is no gain to be gained from using internal bleeding on mekka
dapper forge
KK ty
marble elm
Unlesss you are stunning something
dapper forge
I guess maybe stun the bots to try to proc energy Regen?
spice surge
Not worth
dapper forge
👍
hollow stone
A) bots cant be poisoned last i checked. B) they reflect on mythic
Bad bad idea to dot bots n mythic
spice surge
Not even worth if they could be poisoned
tidal jetty
and pretty sure the energy regen you would get from kidney bleeds are nowhere near worth the combopoints and energy needed to cast
hollow stone
Yea dont you do it
hushed lion
yulon trinket biggest meme trinket ingame?
sucks on actual boss fights but sims kinda big?
might aswell use forest leaf instead?
hollow stone
Maybe 2nd biggest. Never forget that midas trinket exists
dark crag
30k dmg every 1,5 min
marble elm
It’s not particularly great but at 425 with hole vs that it might be your best option
hushed lion
it seems really clunky to use, just feels like an agility trinket with a hole
dark crag
It has an annoying delay
You press it and a green ball flys to the enemy location and yulon spawns
hushed lion
i have the trinket for 2 weeks now and i refuse to use it. rather have a stat proc trinket
dark crag
What are your sims saying?
For me with ma 415 mekka and 400 plumage sim best, although i have yulon 415 with socket
lost sentinel
yulon seems like trash
placid egret
Its dmg is increased by vendetta and crits an awful lot. I've had fights yulon being 3-4% of my dmg
It's not that bad nor is the delay a big deal. It's also off gcd
quasi pewter
vendetta doesnt buff trinket damage
but i agree its not bad. if it simmed best i would use it for sure
but i have 415 dice and 420 spyglass so 🤷
hushed lion
i only have a 400 dice after 27 freehold runs and no good second trinket really
380 spyglass
385 leaf with gem
and ofc instead of dice i get sharkbait mount kms
placid egret
mmm, you're correct. I'm not sure why I was convinced it did.
ruby oxide
Dice is only temporary. Sharkbait is forever. Papa bless
smoky bluff
this ^
strange python
currently running 400 dice/gcb in raids and dice/400 leaf in m+
i need plume/siege trink
elder talon
does anyone know how big of a deal it is to actually do 2x garrote in the opener in order to extend the empowered dot vs just applying it and only redot later in the duration with vanish?
sturdy python
Basically losing 30% of your empowered garrote
If you’re using SS sim with subterfuge and then with MA. You’ll see a difference and then that difference is even larger if you’re still playing with subt and not using double garrote
elder talon
Sure, the garrote is going to be weaker, but since it takes up a global you gain a global that you can use on a mutilate for example which lessens the damage difference. Also it makes it so that vanish and vandetta aligns better for their next casts
But maybe the sum of those factors won't outweigh the dmg gain from refreshing garrote in the opener
sturdy python
Most likely not or the double garrote wouldn’t be used. Like I said sim it with both talents and see. I’ve seen what other people have found but you can check yourself for assurance. Won’t be a perfect representation because of subt’s garrote damage increase but I don’t know how to edit openers in apl.
spice surge
Not at all
hoary crown
Good, ty!
fluid oriole
but, i would think, its more cuz the boss heals with each death. So, youd really only be doing it just to cheese the meters?
spice surge
That damage doesnt show up on warcraftlogs anyway
sturdy python
@elder talon
This is my setup with 2 SS. Simming MA (effectively forcing the single Garrote opener) is a 3.7% loss. That would probably be a bit smaller of a loss if you were specced subterfuge and only used 1x garrote but I dont think it will make up that much.
Wrong sim, sec
Past that you'd need someone with knowledge to edit the APL to check 1x garrote with Subt still specced. Fairly confident its been done before though.
lone junco
@sturdy python you talking about an SS Subterfuge. opener that doesnt grg?
or Subterfuge without SS G M R
lone junco
its not just the pandemic that is lost, is the extra cps from the second garrote.
sturdy python
Right
lone junco
G R Mut. (2/4)
vs
G R G (3) Mut (5/5)
(the ss garrote is 3x right?
having pressed it about 9000 times, I should know)
rose perch
yeah you're basically offered the choice between Garrote for 3 combo points and a lot of damage or Mutilate for 2+crit chance+crit chance combo points and less damage
the right choice is garrote by a mile
sturdy python
Yeah it is Noobe, I know its proper I just didnt have any proof for him
lone junco
ah. Just someone working on tweaking the process.
@elder talon if the bonus cps werent there, we might not worry about that extra pandemic and vanish earlier, so that vendetta vanish are synced at 2:15 ish.
However they are, and it isnt, so we dont.
rose perch
i think we probably would do that anyway for certain fight lengths (2:35, 4:35 jumping to mind here)
lone junco
(note: I am pro feelycrafting, if the sim results dont match intuition, but at the end of the day, Sims are pretty great)
the only fight I knowingly modified was Uldir: Fetid Heroic. when we straight burned. and fight was < 2mins. never see another vanish, then ill push shit around.
but that also meant it was an irrelevant fight, and nothing you did mattered.
elder talon
ahh, totally forgot about getting the extra cps from ss
lone junco
yeah, that makes them very cheap and extra damage compared to a Mut there.
cause a non crit mut would result in
g r m g (3)
and thats dumb
elder talon
but the matter is still the case even though I only have 1x SS ?
lone junco
other way around it is g r g (3) mut (5)
1ss is great. still get cps and bonus dmg.
if you dont like SS, then run 3dd and MA. or even subterfuge.
elder talon
right, does the cp effect stack with multiple ss traits?
rose perch
no, you only ever get 3 CP
the second garrote there is the same number of CP as the first garrote, and adds a little less than half the duration - it's still an excellent global and is only worse in than the first garrote and like Vendetta in terms of how much damage you're getting from one global
^ (even with only 1 SS)
elder talon
Alright! Thanks for your effort :)
strange python
is it normal for 370 eb/ss traits to sim higher than 385/400 DD/SS?
like is that 15-30 ilvl worth eb/ss in m+
full pagoda
I am not sure how exactly you sim M+ as it can't be really simmed out tbh and be 100% accurate. Usually it's ok to have lower ilvl for certain trait but up to 15 ilvls I think, 30 ilvls is too much? ANybody confirm?
But EB/SS are super good for M+ tho, while DD not really, cos you switch lots of targets all the time and you don't even use mutilate as much as on ST
drifting cosmos
Check the Sims of EB compare to DD in multi target it's quite possible worth 30 ilvl
Which is certain amount of agi
strange python
i've simmed it already. it sims higher, but is it worth it
drifting cosmos
Are you asking by feelcraft is it worth it? I'd say yes
ember remnant
imo, it depends of what is your comp in M+, if you have some insane aoe like ret pally with you, going for more ST can make up for it
strange python
yeah, i was going by feelcraft. but okay dope. i was only asking as i have 3x eb/ss. i usually see what comp i run whether we NEED aoe or not
only thing is shoulders/helm are 370
drifting cosmos
At least 1 EB would make the difference in MT
strange python
yeah, i'm running an eb/ss 400 chest & helm with 400 dd/ss
i mean, eb/ss 370 helm/shoulders only sims like 4k higher, but id prob sacrifice a lot of ST dps for that minor aoe gain
so i'll prob just wait to get a 400 eb/ss
lone junco
@strange python if you are talking the Dungeon slice sim, EB will win over DD unless there is a substantial ilvl difference.
strange python
15-30 ilvls atm
lone junco
DD is a dead stat in cleave. like you dont Mutilate. let alone mutilate with env up.
so its only a boss function in that sim.
strange python
yeah i never mut during cleave, spam fok and keep up ruptures
every now and again, ill toss a garrote
drifting cosmos
These days ttk is trending
lone junco
note: the Dungeon slice doesnt include the zombie waves. So Cleave is only better than sim reports.
TTK is good because when you fok for 5cp with enough ruptures out, we are hammering env. and a monster fok env fok env is pretty nice.
drifting cosmos
Do you think it's worth using 2x OP in m+? @lone junco
lone junco
Honestly I just worry about the first dps rings. SS/ EB /TTK. I dont have enough supply to stress on the other rings.
ST raid I can.
hollow stone
But yes. If you got em.
drifting cosmos
Hmm fair enough
ruby oxide
Anyone have an idea how the 400 stat/1m gem performs vs. battle pots?
strong needle
Do a Shrine with my DH, finally get a GCB. Just not on the rogue ..
eager haven
Rip
ruby oxide
Some dude in my guild got a 420 socket gcb on his enhance shammy. feelsbadman
ruby oxide
It's more of an envy thing
strange python
shitty mydas trinket zzz
does exsang see any play in st at all? if so, which traits make it work
not sure if this has been discussed at all, i've only seen it used in m+
tired shell
i dont see anyone running master assassin in mythic raid...i got lucky with DD x3 and NP x3 so we will see how this works out. Gonna test on Champions / Grong
sturdy python
@strange python People used it before BoD when using 3xSS traits
sturdy python
It was normally even on ST with that trait setup, with 6 traits and DD/NP being so good Exsang doesnt really fit though
strange python
ah that's fair.
i'm assuming exsang is used in m+ due to eb/SS being used then?
3x that is
sturdy python
It doesnt stick you to one target, SS makes it good and energy returns
But even then, TB is probably seeing more use than before in M+ because some pople are playing TtK traits for prio damage
strange python
ah right, as the bleeds deal faster damage, your energy rate during so is increased due to those ticks then?
sturdy python
Yes
strange python
ah i see now okay.
TtK is nice, but not EB/SS nice
then again, i dont push keys, so i can't talk on it too much
sturdy python
I dont play enough Sin to say, Seli swears by TtK now though
Probvably depends on dungeons and comp
ruby oxide
Anyone have an example Dungeon Slice sim for around a 405 ilvl with decent to good traits?
strange python
what do you mean by example dungeon slice sim?
and what are decent to good traits?
sturdy python
Im dumb, disregard
strange python
lmao
sturdy python
I need a nap lol
ruby oxide
Let's say dungeon slice with 2xEB, 2xSS, 2xTTK
strange python
so by example, what exactly are you asking for?
like, a "my dps should be around this"
?
ruby oxide
Yeah, I don't have the traits, I want to see if they are "worth" chasing. I've preferred assassin to outlaw forever, but happened to highroll all my azerite for outlaw. I'm just trying to get an idea how each performs under ideal conditions so I know what I can work towards, or if it's even worth it
I know people run sims constantly, I was curious if someone had a dungeon slice sim that followed close to what assassin is running right now for dungeon traits
strange python
you can always do gear compare ya know
input those 3x EB/SS azerite traits at whatever level you think you'd get them at, then sim those with your current gear
ruby oxide
Oh, i didn't realize I could pull in gear to sim that I didn't own
strange python
yup!
ruby oxide
Hrumph, learn something new every day. Thanks ya
ruby oxide
Okay, awesome, I do appreciate it
strange python
no worries!
that'll be a little more realistic for you considering all you'd be essentially changing is azerites
ruby oxide
Right, most sensible
real bay
405 plumage poggers, no socket 
sonic spindle
If I set my loot spec to outlaw, am I raising my chance to get an item by adding one handers to my pool, or lowering my chance to get assassination only drops, I hope I'm wording this in a way that makes sense
rustic ether
@sonic spindle youre not increasing the chances of getting loot, rather increasing your loot pool
sonic spindle
so if i'm looking for a ring and add one handers to my pool, it's less chance I get that ring overall, right?
sonic spindle
Probably, thanks.
spice surge
A mix of twist, echoing and shrouded are considered the best
serene wyvern
2 or 3 twist?
civic palm
1 or 3
serene wyvern
the best i can get is 3 ss 2 eb and 1 twist
desert jungle
With eb on reaping mobs do we only rupture during mobs? And envom higher hp ones?
desert jungle
So what I’m wondering is if I rupture too much am I missing out on dps because I am not env enough? Trying to find the balance between return on energy and env
marble hemlock
generally on reaping you dont rupture multiple mobs for sustain through passive energy/venomous wounds ticks, but by getting big energy-refunds by sniping low-health mobs with full cp ruptures as theyre dying
that way you dont have to sustain 4+ ruptures for energy, but can instead get by by rupturing high hp lost souls and then just sniping low-hp risen souls while spamming fok
desert jungle
So do you env at all?
spice surge
Which is definitely not something you'll be able to do perfectly on the first try
strange python
nope
strange python
Uh
marble hemlock
i do, since i run multiple TTK traits
strange python
oh, i don't run ttk personally
spice surge
But "enough energy" is incredibly variable
desert jungle
I have no ttk they competed with eb
marble hemlock
so if its a reaping pack that consists of mobs that are all same hp, i.e. the 2nd/3rd wave in underrot, then you can just fok-spam
spice surge
depends on a multitude of things
marble hemlock
if its a little more mixed with some high-hp lost souls, i generally rupture those and also env-spam with multiple ttk traits
to make sure they die at the same time as the risen souls
your first priority on any aoe fight, is to make sure you have "enough" energy to use abilities every GCD
on sustained aoe we do that by just having 4-5 ruptures up
on burst-aoe we generally use rupture-sniping to accomplish the same
desert jungle
I see, so I have to keep practicing to find the right balance that insures I always have energy?
marble hemlock
yup
marble hemlock
its part of the fun for me
keeping the right balance between spending CP on finishers that generate energy, or just for damage
or, sometimes, just using builders for the most damage, instead of spending the CP they generated
spice surge
So while assa is often described as "mind numbingly easy" on single target, it most definitely isnt in m+
desert jungle
Ya I enjoy that so much more than outlaw lol
marble hemlock
ye
assa is about resource management, whereas most other specs and classes are about cooldown management
strange python
i've always liked assa more than combat/outlaw
just because of the minor complexity of the spec
marble hemlock
or managing buffs
fleet whale
I'm drawn to assassination because of the theme, i just like being the precise, cold-blooded killer
strange python
not just smashing buttons
spice surge
There is some cooldown management with vendetta ofc, but not nearly as much as others
desert jungle
Same especially that I played feral for years sin felt like home
spice surge
Outlaw doesnt even have any cooldown management, its just managing your buffs
desert jungle
Ya and that. It feels, looks, and fights like my idea of what a rogue should be
strange python
yup
marble hemlock
most classes/specs have multiple resources, that are in a chain of events, i.e. spending runes to generate RP, to then spend the RP for big damage spells. or building holy power that you then spend on big finishers
fleet whale
I guess it depends on who you ask, but i personally find sub (with it's current ST build) is easier than sin. Not that sin is really that hard
marble hemlock
assa is different in that sense since both energy and CP are intertwined
desert jungle
Speaking of, I need to learn how to use vendetta on trash better
marble hemlock
so we spend energy, to generate cp, which we spend on rupture which generates more energy for us etc.
and that just feels so much more fun than hitting buttons in a predefined order
well, its really the same for tb or exsang
3g, rup, fok, second rup, then vendetta+tb/exsang the prio target
desert jungle
I tend to hold it to long waiting in a pack with big hp mob/ important mob
marble hemlock
you wanna make sure you have it on pull
on bosses
thats kind of the annoying part rn
but outside of that, try to use it as often as possible
spice surge
I tried using my 410 badge for some fat crits today seli, this 3x twist crit with pot up was defintiely juicy 🍆
desert jungle
Ya that comes with practice but it’s a 2 min cd like many others in game
marble hemlock
😮
spice surge
I dont think badge is better than dice though
marble hemlock
idk, i hate dice
marble hemlock
depends on whether you healer can keep you up through it
spice surge
If you're not dying through it it will be fantastic
marble hemlock
if he can, and any decent restodruid should be able to for the entire duration
spice surge
Most likely it will be fine to keep up through vendetta
fleet whale
they did nerf the damage you take a little bit
marble hemlock
its going to be absolutely insane
spice surge
And then prob cancel
marble hemlock
the bigger issue will be figuring out who uses it
spice surge
marble hemlock
since everyone will wanna run it
spice surge
@fleet whale
fleet whale
how about cos
marble hemlock
i really hope they get rid of leech entirely, its such a dumb mechanic
spice surge
Prot warrior with leech healing more than DKs in dungeons is clearly intended 😄
desert jungle
Ya it bugs the crap out of me. I ran a shrine with a Dh and the healer told me I took too much damage. I pulled the log and the Dh took more damage than me but no one notices
spice surge
But rogue is probably one of the classes that gain the most from the trinket
NP with that trinket up is gonna be Pog
dark crag
Since the legion is gone we have to purge these halfdemon abominations from our planet
fleet whale
but i like leeching poison for leveling
spice surge
And well, if you're just keeping it up for vendetta its not that big of a deal, the damage is significantly higher for the last 10 seconds than the first 20
fleet whale
yeah, i know what i'm saving my rolls for
sadly he drops some utility trinket
that dps can get
spice surge
And its baseline 425 on mythic Pog
dark crag
What? But mah warforge
desert jungle
Thanks for the replies and help much appreciated
rustic ether
beat an outlaw rogue in a 17 WM idk how the fuck i did that
probably had shit rng lmfao
dark crag
He was a generous god and didn't full mongo cleaved down every pack?
I do that and use cloak, after all are dead i ask "why you dead?"
The oozes in shrine are hilarious
rustic ether
level 45 neck :3
steep obsidian
yeah i did a shrine and outlaw yesterday and was too scared to even touch bladeflurry coz
went back to sin for next dung will do outlaw next week mebbe
shrine is fkn stupid though i think it would be faster to pull 20 and then death run and immunity
spice surge
Or have a shaman and heal through 15 stacks 😉
sturdy python
Its not really an issue outisde of the slimes
And just dont hit BF during slimes 😄
open parcel
sturdy python
NP is best to have one of for ST, DD and TC are both good
SS is good for multi target but not a lot of use in this raid
But 3xDD is pretty much what everyone uses then at least one or more NP
rustic ether
DD is best to stack at 3, NP is still very good stacked at three just not quite as good, TC is good stacked as 3, it is also the only trait of the three that has aoe benefit
marble hemlock
pretty sure more recent sims with galecallers have 3NP ahead of 3DD even
nvm, even with plumage its ahead of DD already
civic palm
presses Vendetta
mob ties 2 seconds later
dapper forge
I have a rotation question for you. Do you want to have newly refreshed dots and high energy and combo points before activating vendetta/vanish? This would be using g master assassin and double dose/nothing personal.
Not during opener
I used to outlaw where you wanna get it back on CD asap
grave elk
2 DD or 2 NP?
royal lantern
would you say plumage over GCB for this raid guys
difference is not that big, but prefer opinions from people with more knowledge on the later fights in this tier(mekka onwards)
rustic ether
plumage is basically better in most cases
grave elk
what gem on oppp? emerald?
echo jay
@royal lantern yeah. I mean you can use GCB but it’s hard to use. Mekka, blockade, and Jaina have a lot of movement
rustic ether
unless your group is fucking poggers burnging the boss, then go emerald and dont move
royal lantern
thought the same
and im unlucky as hell too and will probably eat every single mechanic on mekka, wich means gcb will lose even more value
grave elk
yeah we are just burning pretty quickly and theres like no chasing down adds @rustic ether
rustic ether
@grave elk especially for heroic
grave elk
ya just heroic
rustic ether
if youre getting 2+ sets of adds i would recommend opal
rustic ether
nah like if the fight is long enough that he summons a second pack
like for mythic we get to 3-4 packs with super high movement needed so it far surpasses emeralds viability
echo jay
Yeah mythic we usually get 3 sets. So gcb is just bad lol
rustic ether
i also dont like the misalignemtn of gcb and vendetta
i dont even have a button for plumage its just tacked onto vendetta lmfao
echo jay
I’m still in the no plumage crew. I’ve never even had one drop
rustic ether
got another one form my weekly this week 410 socket ❤
echo jay
I hate you..... I’m mean grats. My luck is having a 425 jadefire trinket drop for me. I have to use it bc the agility is just too strong
uncut dragon
Hey wow friends. Anyone have any idea how the Z. trolls are going to do? Their racial traits seem pretty nice. Thinking of bailing on my belf since she lost her extra interrupt when they changed the traits.
royal lantern
doent want too sound like an idiot or something
but if you need too ask about racials, you are not even close too play on the level where you races makes even a small difference
hell, except when you are in a top20 guild you can ignore races
uncut dragon
not top 20, but who wants to leave dps or utility behind? The extra interrupt was quite helpful in raids and M+, just wondering if anyone was ptr'ing and knew how much of an impact the z trolls have since its not simmable yet.
dapper forge
Vanish then regeneratin' seems nice af
Free glider for 15s is cool too. It'll be fun. I doubt it'll be a significant difference.
royal lantern
regeneratin is going too get changed anyway
dapper forge
Cash grab initially
uncut dragon
pay for race change then pay to change back after nerf...working as intended
royal lantern
thats why i say you should not give a fuck about the race unless you like them so much that you think a racechange is worth it
in the end, you must look at your character all the time
uncut dragon
racechange is what, 20 bucks? A little over a token? its not that big a deal if it helps.
worldly ledge
So I dropped the last SStrait ouf of my collection. 3dd 3 NP. What talent change I should do, and how to use it? Im talking about Master Assassin and Nightstalker
flint jetty
rustic ether
nightstalker LUL
cobalt gyro
the bigger difference you'll see in damage isn't going to be "better racials", it's going to be you playing better
and if you're considering race changing at this point in the tier for a racial advantage
it's kinda a bit late for that
rustic ether
being a night elf i truly bellieve some racials are worth changing for
for m+ nelf is bonkers, we death run and i get to save my vanish for actual dmg
cobalt gyro
I went VEelf for g'huun prog, the teleport is very useful
little sandal
hello where can i look up my bis in m+ and raid
native oak
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sturdy python
A lot of groups still have trouble with reaping for some reason
Want the Outlaw to blast em
strange python
eh last 3 groups ive out dps'd outlaw on reaping
granted, they were pugs but still
do yall run mfd in m+? or just strictly vigor
strange python
interesting
rustic ether
vigor just helps you spam shit out
hollow matrix
I'm not a huge m+'er but, personally, with the ability to swap very easily from aoe focus to ST focus with a few swaps of gear - i've been going mostly ST builds for Tyrannical weeks. Especially for like KR and the dungeons where some boss kill times matter.
Can swap back to aoe smash for Fortified, or like FH keys, or whatever especially if you dont have a heavy aoe hitters in your party
If you don't have perfect pieces of gear, some that might not seem 'ideal' (ex. EB and DD) can maybe not be so terrible for like tyrannical weeks maybe - depending on dungeon, key lvl, what your party has/doesnt have? That's kinda my elementary take on it at least haha
strange python
that mekka trink good? i just got a 385 w/ socket
strange python
lmao i dont have ingame sounds on
currently running 400 dice/gcb but gcb is so situational
AKA not fucking move for 10 seconds to benefit
quick ice
its probably weaker than a 400 GCB, but you'll not have to deal with that
so depends what the ease of use is worth to you 🤷
real bay
never seen anyone use it
better off getting some ttk traits imo
big energy pool is much better imo
worldly ledge
I am a bit lost. I switched from Subter to MA. 1 ToTk (I have an SS in the same spot) 2DD 2 NP. Now I have a 60k dps burst, but after 20 sec, it falls to 22k sustain. With Subterfuge I have 45k burst and 28 sustain. Sim tells me that MA is better than Subter. Does anybody tried this talent-azerite combination, and if yes, what is ur opinion?
drifting cloud
cobalt gyro
if your sim says th at i want to see that shit bc you gotta be geared as fuck + sockets everywhere
real bay
that would be like 425 ilvl equipped all sockets
odd hatch
Are you simming a 1min fight or something?
arctic harness
So, my current setup for M+ is now 2x SS, 1x TTK and 1x EB, I got two chests, one with EB/SS (390) and 1 with TTK(or NP)/SOB 415
I go for the 415 chest over the 390 right?
forest flicker
quick question about weapon enchants. do stat weights change what enchants goes on each weapon?
unkempt tangle
u mean is it important to put main statt enchant in MH and the other in OH ?
if yes, no it doesn't matter where the enchant is as long as both enchants are the ones of your 2 highest sec stats
winter gale
Any good tip or something for Opulence Mythic?
marble hemlock
kill boss faster than he kills you
other than that, youd have to be more specific
covert crag
weary shoal
for raiding: do you guys think it is valid to keep 1x SS and go exsang or drop it for 3x DD with 1x NP and 2x TC or 2x NP and 1x TC (becasue after the 1st NP it looses in vale?)
of course swapping EXANG wit TB when changing to 3 DD
lilac lily
I'm currently using 3x DD 2x TC 1x NP, I was thinking about swapping 1 DD for 1 SS
Didnt test it yet tho, but dont use Exsang
real bay
I'd swap TC if possible out of those
lilac lily
Not possible for me 😦
weary shoal
i simed ... but sims are not always the actual raid perfomances
what would you swap TC out for? TTK ?
lilac lily
Unless you're swapping to get DD or NP, keep TC
weary shoal
also MA sims a bit highter than subterfuge but i think its a shit talent becasue no 100%
lilac lily
you can sim it to be sure
weary shoal
so you thin 2x NP is better than 2x TC if possible
i was thinking NP looses value after 1st one
spice surge
It does lose value, but they're pretty much equal
Just sim it to find out, gonna depend on your overall stats
weary shoal
is it a concern that you will get a lot of DMG yourself if yo ustack TC to much? xD
weary shoal
so its always 15%
spice surge
Essentially never
lilac lily
Apparently, acording to Herodamage 3x NP is quite a bit better than 3x DD
weary shoal
yes but thats what i am saying... pure sims are not 1 to 1 aplyable for raid encounters or ?
lilac lily
That data is for pure st
but if we're comparing DD and NP, cleave or st doesnt matter much
since both are good for st and 'bad' for cleaving
real bay
both are pure st
lilac lily
NP probably loses some value if you're using Subt instead of MA, I guess
thats why its so ahead on herodamage (?)
spice surge
Its because of plumage
and its not "that far ahead" of dd
Its the first point that is ahead of dd
Second and third are basicly equal to DD
real bay
DD seems better in reality due to kill times and all that
lilac lily
DD does seem better
shy axle
Normally using 3 DD/2NP/1 Ingitrait + MA. WOuld you switch the chest with DD/NP (400 ilvl) to 415 grong chest with SS/Rupture Agi trait for jadefire mythic?
and SUbterfuge ofc
lilac lily
Sim it? But I think the 400 chest will be better
shy axle
which sim is the one whhich is nearest to "2Bosses active"
rapid pelican
Hey Guys, i play Assa for short time now and in the guides it says that for M+ i need Crit/Mastery and nearly no haste, i have the feeling that my AOE and singletarget is bedder with Haste/Mastery... is there a hint ?
real bay
you can sim patchwerk with 2 bosses obviously it won't be the same but kinda
spice surge
Your feelings are wrong 🤷
lilac lily
Probably patchwer with 2 bosses
At least when thinking of Jadefire Masters for example
spice surge
Or you're playing improperly, you shouldnt need any haste at all for aoe with proper play
rapid pelican
is a critical hit with bleed and Poison so much stronger then the higher ticking rate over haste ?
lilac lily
Crit is mostly for EB, in M+ scenarios
Mastery is for the multiple Ruptures and garrotes
shy axle
haste is "weaker" because you have "infinite" eenrgy in aoe scnearios with 4 ruptures+ up
spice surge
Even without EB crit is far and away the best stat for aoe
shy axle
in reality just use a healthy mix, you still want some haste
real bay
mastery also boosts that fok poison spam
lilac lily
crit would be better anyway cause haste would be pretty much useless
strange python
I mean if you have multiple EB or TTK you wanna max out Crit and then mastery. So you want Crit heavy socketed (crit/mastery) gear
summer marten
even without EB in aoe crit means more combo points
with eb it just gets even better
wild kindle
im running like ~40% crit and 8% haste for m+. beast dps on packs but when theres boss like 3rd boss in SoB im literally useless
royal lantern
then maybe get something that makes you slightly less ussules ona tyrannical week
fickle obsidian
you have to realize that bosses in dungeons only accounts for a certain length of the entire dungeon
some packs before a boss takes more time than all the bosses combined
so your dps might be low on a boss but it makes up for it on trash packs
wild kindle
thats true but when everyone does 40-50k on pack and struggles to pass 20k on bosses then they take more time than trash
i guess having a demo lock helps in that case
fickle obsidian
eh if you add up the times for trash vs bosses, IMO the trash still takes up a significant amount of time. but yeah we have a demo lock :P
I guess if you're struggling to pass a boss that's different
like the 3 witch boss not having enough dps
charred lantern
what traits do i need guys
havent played since last raid
also hows outlaw compared to assa now
ruby oxide
There are a few viable traits and synergistic talents that go with them for assassin. Outlaw has more of a singular prevailing beat build. Ass you can play a shroud build with subterfuge, or master assassin with double dose. Outlaw and assassin are close in terms of dps, but assassin is more consistent, imo
I also feel like in raid, outlaw needs conditions to kinda line up in some ways and assassin is more adaptable. If you’re going to play assassin, play with whatever you get for DD and SS traits and see what feels better. For outlaw, stack as many pistol shots and aces as you can and try to work in a one-off of brigands blitz.
dark crag
Ss has value at bosses, eb doesn't
Ss > eb in terms of usefullness
rigid mango
Nah
wild stone
How many ss or eb do you want? Seems to be tough to find this balance
dark crag
Herodamage has ss higher than eb
bronze kelp
hm... on fort weeks 3EB 2TTK 1SS over 2EB 2TTK 2SS?
wild stone
What about Tyrannical week
rigid mango
Same there
bronze kelp
on tyra weeks I focus more on prio target/boss dps
rigid mango
I'm ruinning 3x EB 2x SS
bronze kelp
dont care about highest overall dmg
wild stone
Oh so still ss
dark crag
Eb is highest dmg because it rises up with reaping
rigid mango
but EB> SS
wild stone
If I could find as and eb together that would be nice
rigid mango
yeah obv
bronze kelp
but with a DH and frost mage in my group we have enough high aoe burst
wild stone
Ywha I have no ss/eb pieces.
bronze kelp
so i dont need that high aoe dmg
bronze kelp
but boss dmg is pretty low with 3 eb 3 ss
rigid mango
normally run same comp
wild stone
What's decent overall dps for sin this week?
rigid mango
Yeah it is
bronze kelp
depends on ilvl and dungeon
dark crag
If reaping is a problem, you have bigger problems