could u tel me maybe ur opener on bossfight ?
#assassination
hard coral
primal gazelle
i pugged a 15 siege last night with some 1300 io players... ele sham and demo lock. I literally did almost more damage than both of them combined, 35k dps vs their 18/19k. Their logic was that they both went complete ST spec because its a 15 tyrannical key, and only did 2-3k boss damage more than me.. which saved at MOST 15-25 seconds per boss and this is being modest..
meanwhile the rest of the dungeon felt like a fortified dungeon because each pack took forever to die due to their low aoe
short flicker
Hello, i have one question , when are we running MA (when we dont have any garrote trait in raid or?) and on wich bosses is it good pure ST or ?
primal gazelle
like there must be some type of compromise between st/aoe for tyrannical
yeah literally every dungeon
but tbh i might go outlaw next week depending on what my azerite vendor gives me 
golden relic
was outlaw startof dazalor before the super craze of it, raided as it abit aswell. then i just had a week of reforging , and i cbad and sticked to assa ,.L so ye, if the game would give me loot in mythic so i can play more then 1 spec would be great cause i aint paying some 35k fee again
marble elm
Sounds like a bad warlock
golden relic
idk why they cant just make the price go up and let it cap at like 5k
strange python
actually gonna sim my gear atm, if im higher in outlaw, cya till i get daggers
golden relic
remove that reforge shit and fix PL
and i pretty fine tbh, wont complain
or atleast bring back ML
modest badge
sims say i do about the same single target as assassin but sure doesnt feel like it
for outlaw
rose loom
where can i find the opener for MA?
fair blaze
rose loom
epic thx
rose loom
TTK>DD in dungeons right?
round harbor
Is that how u really feel
rancid blaze
TTK?
rose loom
twist the knife
rancid blaze
Ahh ok
wild stone
Checked pins, also ravenhold. With 3DD and Master Assassin.. Ravenhold says use TB after vanish, I thought it was 5pt envenom after vanish. Does anyone have the proper rotation for 3DD MA ST?
nimble tartan
they are pretty close, with 3 DD i prefer to tb before the vanish in order to be able to crit 2 mutilates & an envenom OR crit 1 mutilate and 2 envenoms in the window
smoky fiber
Tb after vanish is more consistent from what dratnos keeps saying but itโs probably overall minor either way.
nimble tartan
since a crit mut and DD will do more damage than a crit tb forsure at 3 dd
round harbor
oh no guys
i see someone sitting near me that has ravenholdt discord on their computer
which one of u is it
arctic harness
Is the dungeon slice sim a good indication for M+?
arctic harness
Got a 405 haste>mastery belt and a 400 crit mastery, dunno what to use for M+
wild stone
It showed assassination better than outlaw.. I'm not listening to it at all.
bleak spoke
@spice surge i'm wtching your progress on sneg's stream :^)
spice surge
:^)
arctic harness
Well, if you like padding reaping Outlaw is great I guess
round harbor
sin can do just fine reaping dmg
visual quartz
3xEB in reaping is hella fun, finally got it and tried it last night, out bursting DHs is definitely new to me.
cloud iris
@primal gazelle ''galecallers hot trash for m+'' even with exsanguinate snapshot?
primal gazelle
yes
bleak spoke
i disagree
when you have galecaller's on you don't actually need any dots out to spam fok
i think it's alright
primal gazelle
cant tell if youre trolling or not
visual quartz
Same @strange python, got lucky in an 8 and got a 390, was a big upgrade ๐
strange python
i'm literally 400+ in every slot except helm and daggers, 370 on helm, 375/340 on daggers
round harbor
is your lootspec outlaw
primal gazelle
This is a pretty good show case of Sin vs Outlaw ๐ฎ
strange python
nope
steady wharf
even the emissary quests would've given you 385 daggers
lone junco
@primal gazelle did you have GC first week of bfa m0? the circle was so fucking small. lol
round harbor
i have a hard time believing youve done that many keys without seeing a dagger drop, unless ur spamming motherloard or some shit
primal gazelle
flawless died once during reaping there and lost alot of overall dmg, i could argue he wouldve done more overall dmg with HB over CT but who knows
strange python
and everything has been timed except shrine, which lol
visual quartz
TD seems best, howliss shiv is nice
marble elm
Just get a 425 one from raid ๐
primal gazelle
shrine dagger best for fok spam
strange python
so ive done 19 mythic + actually, all over 8+ lmfaoooo
my luck is just trash like my daggers
hollow stone
Sounds like you dont want a dagger badly enough
visual quartz
Id run some with you for a second chance, feel bad now ๐
strange python
@rawr if you dont believe me, check my io profile
round harbor
cbf lol
strange python
within 3 days, i did 19
hollow stone
For every person with good luck, there's one with bad luck. Welcome to... the others
strange python
i can't complain tho lmfao. i did get 3x harlans b2b2b
visual quartz
just replaced my 375dagger been using since january. weaps are rare for some ppl
lone junco
all my weps are raid drops. ayo
strange python
i think we're doing a heroic reclear tonight be4 mythic prog so ill just swap my main out for my rogue
maybe ill get lucky then
paper heron
you guys still doin exsang for m+?
hollow stone
Same. Which makes sense from a probability perspective
golden relic
not being main rogue 
strange python
personally, i have yet to try exsang. i heard it's nice
hollow stone
Boss loot table in raid is like 4ish. Loot table in m+ is bigger
strange python
true that
nimble tartan
ye from what ive seen sin is relatively close to outlaw in m+ overall damage, its just outlaw is just like 1000x easier to gear for atm, but people are gettin proper gear sets at good ilvls now
round harbor
and they are different specs
4head
sin brings similar amount of utility in different forms
bleak spoke
sin silence ๐ฏ
round harbor
silences/steps/slows vs on demand stuns/gouges/vanish utility
bleak spoke
gouge is giga for dungeons like motherlode tho
where you have a lot of stuff that has to be kicked one way or another
nimble tartan
i do value vanish to cheese boss mechanics at a higher rate with outlaw a lil more but yeah i think the final choice will fall to what your group needs if u have a stablle one
bleak spoke
i'm building a sub set right now
round harbor
never sub though, just....no
bleak spoke
tbh
bleak spoke
i think it's still the way to time high shrine keys
round harbor
maybe if they buff replicating shadows by idk, 4000%
bleak spoke
and high siege keys
round harbor
i can see it being viable then
nimble tartan
replicating is not the way to fix sub that trait doodoo
cosmic pier
rise from last to seccond last place OMEGALUL
bleak spoke
until i get 3 ttk like seli i think
vestal wren
but you can for m+ ๐ (while playing sin)
bleak spoke
FeelsBadMan ๐ซ
strange python
id run with outlaw till i got daggers but seems like outlaw is only simming like 600 above sin atm
idk if that's justifiable to switch yet
bleak spoke
wot
round harbor
the shitty part about sub is that its best aoe talent/ completely fucks your dmg lol
bleak spoke
wait what's the meme
vestal wren
no, but you can use bis sub shoulders for m+ in assassination spec so you essentially use sub gear
bleak spoke
@round harbor i think running sectec is a critical error in dungeons tho
llike it's the opposite of what you play sub for
which is to funnel damage into an elite right?
not spread it out
vestal wren
1x rs is fine i guess
cosmic pier
bin outlaw, overbuff sub, and leave sin alone. the blizzard solution
hushed maple
is the no SS trait opener for sf even good?
cosmic pier
then sin outscales sub anyway ๐
hushed maple
Only one garrote, even tho you can do two since you have sf?
primal gazelle
my mentality is the opposite, raiding is a source of gear for m+ ๐ค
paper heron
so if im gonna sim exsang vs tb for m+ is dungeon slice even useful for that?
round harbor
raiding is the best source of gear for m+
vestal wren
i mean i agree with dad that certain affixes/trait combinations can make subtlety good
so thats not a meme
and in case blizz wants to make another zul we might be good in the raid
bleak spoke
i wish i had a sub set for the bolstering week :x
round harbor
i mena champions could be considered a zul-ish fight
primal gazelle
envenom funnels is enough for bolstering
stable pine
I wish blizz would make another Zul boss - such a fun fight for sub!
When I roll rogue - I envision a button smashing tunneling dps playstyle
bleak spoke
When I roll rogue I envision having a lot of control over every fight :x
cosmic pier
bring back agonizing poison ๐ i loved having an excuse to tunnel
marble hemlock
@golden relic i ran like 43% mastery. crit cycles between 36-40% depending on mekkatorque stage
@primal gazelle nah, we dont log m+
golden relic
43, thats fuckin huge
bleak spoke
Those r some chunky dots
golden relic
do u have like all crit mastery only majority of the gear or what
marble hemlock
pmuch, only non crit/mastery items i have are opu MH and waycrest crit/vers/socket ring
round harbor
vers is nice too
cosmic pier
jesus fuck thats obscene
marble hemlock
got a handful of haste items due to sockets and i kinda wanna run close to 10% haste
round harbor
seli what is the actual crit value
golden relic
I got shit ton of vers and haste, like 2 mastery items , big yikes
round harbor
highest i can get unbuffed is 1850ish
but im pretty much locked into that cause daggers are non crit
marble hemlock
since you need ~11-12% haste to continuously spam 35energy GCDs with 4ruptures
golden relic
im 9% haste atm in my gear, 27% mastery and 37% crit, id maybe drop some crit and use gigavolt instead but I was saying earlier idk , if it would be worth, probably
edgy ginkgo
guys i did a top 3 nhc log at stormwall! YAY, thanks for your help today
marble hemlock
~11% haste gives you around 20seconds of being able to spam 35/energy sec finishers until you run dry, at which point youre using a few 25energy ones to refresh the ruptures anyway, basically giving you full sustain
primal gazelle
what if you just rupture a 5th mob
spice surge
Then you do less envenoms
marble hemlock
well, thats always an option, but not really worth#
its less envenoms or less foks
id prefer to minimize the amount of GCDs and CPs spent on finishers that are only for energy sustain
primal gazelle
why dont you log m+ btw
marble hemlock
but yeah, i could run like 3% more crit and less mastery if i swapped mastery sockets to crit
primal gazelle
id like to compare numbers
marble hemlock
no point
bleak spoke
how much haste would you need for just 3 ruptures would you say
cuz right now i'm way overindexed into haste
marble hemlock
didnt calculate that, since its not worth the calc. the amount of haste needed would be way too high for a setting where we want to minimize useless stats on gear
not sure if eleem did the numbers on 3 ruptures
spice surge
Like 32.6% Seli
marble hemlock
ye, i think it was something like 30% haste for 3ruptures
marble hemlock
honestly, the aoe gameplay is debatable, i just like the ST feel of playing so much around TB
primal gazelle
i have more fun being a filthy padder
marble hemlock
just feels nice to have little phases of burst every 25-30seconds where you can dish out 60k crits
sterile magnet
anyone tried doing ruby as assa on opulence? Been assigned to do it for our reclear and i dont have weapons for outlaw
cosmic pier
sin is fine for ruby
marble hemlock
your main-duty is to keep the debuff stacking, so if youre noticing your energy dropping, use poisoned knife instead of mutilate to keep it rolling
sterile magnet
ah good tip
marble hemlock
otherwise you might run the risk of it dropping off
sterile magnet
yea thats what i was thinking
marble hemlock
and communicate to the other ruby players when you have liquid gold and have to run out
if the ruby buff drops, youre wiping
so thats just your highest prio
marble hemlock
it has 1sec inner CD of application and 2sec duration, so rogue is kinda nice for it since just a regular gcd-locked rotation would ensure it never drops
covert crag
Does double dose dmg get increased with toxic blade up?
marble hemlock
covert crag
Thanks
round harbor
Very true about communication on pppulence
Last night I had to scream to our boomy that the other two people with Ruby were liquid Golding. Boomy adjusted and just moonfire spammed or something like that to keep buff up
Your DMG without opal is largely not important since the boss will fall over like 10 seconds after the third set of adds dies
Spawns rather
marble hemlock
you get a third set? ๐
marble hemlock
but yeah, once you pop bloodlust at like 80 ruby stacks and rotate the topaz people into the raid for nigh 100% uptime, the boss absolutely melts
round harbor
I can never tell when to vendetta
Like holding it feels wrong, but idk might be worth
With opal
sterile magnet
got rank 6 last week and we killed it as my vendetta came back off of cd feelsbadman
so i def know what u mean
round harbor
I think highest ranking is like 40ish for me on oppu
marble hemlock
so refresh bleeds, drop vendetta, get everything going and then wait for adds
tb right before add spawn, and at that point topaz comes in and you just fok envenom 4times into your TB
might actually be worth to mut envenom and not care about the 4cp envenoms instead of 5 for more
sterile magnet
idk what worked for me was putting 3 ruptures up on adds then popping it, but thats probably because our adds were up for quite a bit longer than most guilds
sturdy python
Is it normal to just leave topaz out until that lust moment then rotate or just rotate them as they come up?
keen inlet
Why is plumage so good?
marble hemlock
lines up with vendetta, duration lines up with vendetta, we dont run any vers baseline so the vers on use is pretty much maximum efficiency
hollow stone
He basically just said use it with vend. So yes
real bay
god bless rng, howlis dagger 420 socketed 
hollow stone
Ayyyy. Gratz my dude
jaunty crystal
one of these days I'm gonna get opal ๐ฆ
heavy trail
invocation that dogshitty? sims like 390 plumage...
jaunty crystal
opal unless your guild wants you to get the ruby
shrewd plover
@jaunty crystal Tks !!
fickle obsidian
are we good for ruby ?
jaunty crystal
sin is honestly not the best ruby holder
but it's fine and if your raid leader wants you to pick it up then you pick it up ๐
marble hemlock
we also happen to be one of the worst opal holders ๐
jaunty crystal
yea lol
marble hemlock
1sec gcd is pretty nice for maintaining opal tbh, ideally youd want higher apm classes but we can just use poisoned knife instead of muti if we run low on energy
and usually you have like 3-4rubies anyway
royal lantern
i honestly just ignore my dps anyway when i get ruby duty
like, who cares,you help other people, just keep the buff up
turn on dmg taken and laugh at other people that fuk stuff up instead
hollow stone
Yea. For sure better ruby classes, but most of those are also better opal classes... just bring bm hunters if you can find any lolol
marble hemlock
honestly, i dont think assa is bad for ruby
we got a cheap spammable range attack when we have to carry stuff out
and its unlikely that we die to random shit, leaving the raid with 1 less ruby carry
hollow stone
Yea. Thats why ive been ruby duty. I dont die unless it's "we're gonna kill it. Go die to that coin shower"
marble hemlock
and 1sec gcd makes the re-application quite a bit safer
hollow stone
And if you actually focus on the buff, its easy to keep up even with low apm class
marble hemlock
ye
hollow stone
True dat. Didnt even think of the base gcd initially
marble hemlock
like, we have 2 DHs carrying ruby and me
DHs sometimes are locked into beam for example, and only first hit applies ruby
hollow stone
Yea. Should be fine
marble hemlock
so when they do their thing, its my job to keep it up
ye
since their pets dont scale with the other buffs
hollow stone
Fair. I wouldnt know since we have 1 hunter and he's pretty much a part time raider
Pets scale w opal now
marble hemlock
oh okay
hollow stone
Hotfixed a week? Maybe 2 weeks? Ago
marble hemlock
never payed attention since we only have 3 MMs
marble hemlock
think we have 2 mages 2boomers
barely have any opals, cause theyre not really needed
hollow stone
Same same for ruby
Yea. Opal is given to the people who are more likely to die lol
I tried it on heroic thinking, oh, this'll be good with a quick kill. Was not impressed
And i feel like on mythic unless youre the luckiest of all ducks, you get frick'd cause of mechanics
Yea. It wasnt bad. I just, idk, was same same as opal basically
I think if we only got the 2 add phases (we're killing it with 3rd set just spawning or being up for 5-10 sec), then MAYBE we could get away with emerald. Idk. Ill just stick to ruby
Yea exactly. Makes the choice easy lol
nimble tartan
i always take ruby as sin ๐
hollow stone
I know
nimble tartan
why would i let anyone else take it when they gain more from opal ๐
be unselfish and help ur friends ok..
im not a chad bro..
round harbor
Hello no
hollow stone
But.. if they were really friends wouldnt they wanna help you get dat big boi parse?
Lolol
real bay
round harbor
Chad chaddington
nimble tartan
im just a roleplayer bro
hollow stone
Chaddington bear
wary ice
I'm going to sim it later; but if i dont have any SS traits its highly likely i should be testing Subt vs MA right?
smoky fiber
if you dont have any SS traits subt is unlikely to sim better
royal lantern
why do people always say that
i have 0 ss traits for months now
MA sims 0,2%better
obsidian ridge
soooo I just rolled my 3rd EB/SS piece. got 3 of them in 415 now. lets see what assassination can do eh
royal lantern
with pretty much all setups
vast glacier
If I use Envenom two times in a row, will buff from second Envenom add duration to first or overwrite it?
nimble tartan
yeah subtrfuge hasnt been relevant in my sims for a few months now
i also dont think its relevant in this raid either ๐
royal lantern
try too use the 2nd envenom when the buff is about too run out
royal lantern
eh, some fights its better then MA imo
round harbor
@nimble tartan careful. The SS truthers are gonna attack you
royal lantern
but my opinion is biased anyway cus my luck with MA is legendary bad
nimble tartan
no, but even 2 its not worth lose too much
strange python
ah fair
royal lantern
so take it with a grain of salt
nimble tartan
i dont think anyboss is a subter boss prob only rastakhan
but that boss a MEME
its an MA TIER BABY
vast glacier
Ok, thanks. If using Elaborate Planning, should I use Env when EP buff runs out or when Env buff runs out?
round harbor
Even if you care about the add damage at the beginning then you'd just go outlaw lol
strange python
if you want to minmax around that, i'd assume when EP runs out
royal lantern
dude
strange python
but you'll starve energy doing that quickly
strange python
its not really worth it playing around EP/Env buff "uptimes"
wary ice
It feels bad cause my traits are pretty ok for raid and just garbo for M+ - which is why i rolled rogue in the first place lol
Cant afford multiple sets yet
strange python
unless ur in vend/tb window
wary ice
super unlucky with drops
strange python
dont talk to me about unlucky with drops pls
vast glacier
If it does not worth it, when should I use env? ๐
wary ice
I'll cry with u karhoot
strange python
22 m+ 9+ without a dagger or weapon period
wary ice
THe best way env usage was ever explained to me was to stop thinking about "when should i" and instead think "why should i"
vast glacier
Yes, but both IcyVeins and Ravenholdt do not detail Env usage
strange python
^
vast glacier
To get more damage, obviously ๐
strange python
so basically, you use envenom as you normally would, don't spam it, you want to be able to get off 2-3 envenoms during toxic blade
wary ice
Right but if you dont have TB /vendetta up
strange python
if you dont have it up, ur pooling for the next tb window, as it's only a 25 sec cd
wary ice
getting an envenom out and then being choked on enrgy while building CP is roughly == to pooling energy at 4-5cps
wary ice
Yeah ideally you're trying to maintain as much ep uptime as possible
strange python
pooling > uptime on env buff imo
wary ice
but eventually your energy stops you from keeping 100%
idle vigil
Only time to spam would be lust while tb is up or something
strange python
yep
vast glacier
Ok, got it, thanks! So I shoud pool to TB, not play around EP
strange python
i would start there yeah
idle vigil
Like my oepener with gale and lust and vendetta with np is stupid amonts of energy
strange python
the whole thing is managing energy to dump envs in tb window
exactly
dont let bleeds fall off
or ur screwed
wary ice
v true :^(
strange python
paint will dry faster than u regain energy if that happens
wary ice
also v true :^(
obsidian ridge
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vast glacier
Ok, so priorities: pool energy for TB, then if it is pooled, play for EP uptime?
true ingot
At what point does MA/TB actually overtake Subt/Exsang in sims? It's still lagging behind by 2% for me.
At 406 ilvl.
spice surge
If you're using shitty SS traits then never
quick ice
Depends on traits. MA won't overtake if you have any SS traits
spice surge
But at some point you shouldnt be running multiple SS for ST
spice surge
He said subterfuge+exsang
true ingot
I have 2x DD, 1 NP, 3x SS.
spice surge
Exsang isnt really relevant now
royal lantern
im talking about the people early eleem, not you
that all said that MA is soooooo much better
wary ice
hangon
obsidian ridge
guys if you play 3x EB which t100 talent would you choose?
wary ice
Ace up your sleeve = ass im armel in german?
round harbor
Posion bomb or hb depending on crit rating
wide delta
its literally translated word for word lol
wary ice
I've been running PB cause im stuck on TB for as long as i have 2 mandatory DD's
obsidian ridge
playing with 27.4% crit
wary ice
I'm just bein a 3 yearold with the word ass :^)
obsidian ridge
could get a lot more i think
round harbor
Probly better off just playing pbomb in dungeons until you do some testing on your gear to see if hb pulls ahead
obsidian ridge
I see. Also: toxic blade? I am using 3 traits for aoe only, so picking tb for more st would be worth it?
wide delta
so sin is no more CT in m+?
obsidian ridge
this only applies if you use 3 echoing blades traits
round harbor
You can CT successfully
I personally don't think it's worth unless mongo pulling but that's my 2cents
I think flawless still runs it a little bit
bleak star
spice surge
Sure you can run CT with stuff like scent and 3x Eb, but at that point your damage profile is so similar to outlaw, and probably slightly worse
So there just isnt much point
ashen spoke
Does NP snapshot haste? like should i make sure to Galecaller's Boon before vendetta?
drifting cloud
never heard anyone talk about it so Id assume it doesnt
steady grotto
how big of a problem is over capping energy in your opener
i've got so much haste atm
saving galecallers for my second toxic blade because i'm over capping so much if i pop it with vendetta
sturdy python
Dont save GCB. Haste boosts your dots too
You shouldnt be capping that badly in opener
quiet crescent
How much haste?
rustic ether
@wide delta i feel your pain brotha i got the same fucking shoulders T.T
sub
"i want to play a class that does suboptimal damage, but i also want to be severely punished if i so much as need to scratch my face and all my windows are fucked
nimble tartan
WRONG HELMET
marble hemlock
no ttk ๐ฆ
scarlet wing
no bis helmet this week
rustic ether
why are people taking ttk in m+ it is not god
scarlet wing
ttk?
marble hemlock
because if youre going full aoe on assa, you could just play outlaw instead
ttk gives you meaningful priority target damage, coupled with decent singletarget due to running tb+pb
marble hemlock
twist the knife
rustic ether
yeah except outlaw is boring as all fuck
scarlet wing
i hate ttk
marble hemlock
shun the nonbeliever ๐ฆ
scarlet wing
^^
marble hemlock
your name literally has "poison" in it and yet you deny your lord and savior, a poison trait
scarlet wing
@nimble tartan not rly wrong helmet. in my opinion bis this weak
rustic ether
i have bis azerite except my shoulders are SS BI which is kinda nice as my crit is a tidbit low
marble hemlock
Believe
scarlet wing
ttk shrouded helmet?
marble hemlock
๐
marble hemlock
scarlet wing
dafuq
golden relic
PPL ACCTUALLY STILL BEING PEASENTS TO SHROUDED TILTS ME
SAME WITH RAID SETUP
LEAVE IT IN THE PAST
marble hemlock
I mean, theres obviously a place for the SS/EB build in trash heavy dungeons that dont require a lot of prio damage, but I strongly feel that the TTK build is the go-to build for assa in m+ due to its niche
lone junco
non believers
scarlet wing
u dont play shrouded anymore?
marble hemlock
every class can do decent or strong aoe, few classes/specs can do good prio damage
golden relic
https://gyazo.com/f2109f9b19ca2f591eaf6d2aa67b2c20 I got heroic rastakhan shoulders 
maybe mythic tommorow . no opulence head though , got a 375 one and this meme head
scarlet wing
u rly think eb ttk can be meta?
golden relic
I mean look at the top assa rogues in m+ on RIO
marble hemlock
i mean, im playing it right now, its good damage
and gives you the flexibilityto swap between prio damage and aoe damage whenever you want
lone junco
1ss 2eb 3ttk? or 1ss 3eb 2 ttk?
golden relic
most of them are using TTK, i think grim is the only one not using it cuz hes running the SSxEBx3 meme
with CT
marble hemlock
i run 2eb/3ttk rn, 3eb is overkill honestly
scarlet wing
dog morningwind?
desert vault
Yeah I think 2eb is all good
lone junco
morning wood?
desert vault
I was having with 2x EB, ss, np this week was doing some fun boss damage
golden relic
U think using a 375 opulence head over a EB 415 head is worth seli
marble hemlock
its just nice to look at the damage distribution and have envneom be on par with garrote/fok
golden relic
i mean its 45 ilvls but the traits are useless
marble hemlock
SS is overrated
desert vault
Need them rasta shoulders. Yeah ss is just quality of life I think
marble hemlock
unless its something like temple or kingsrest, where you usually only pull 3-4 trashmobs at a time anyway
so you actually save time by popping the garrotes on 3 targets and then prio the 4th so they die at the same time
but usually you pull like 10+ mobs, having garrote up on 3 of them that ticks hard and kills them faster than the rest doesnt actually make the pull go faster
you still gotta clean up the other 7
desert vault
On a 5+ pack how are opening @marble hemlock spread in 3 garrote and 2 or 3 rupture then fork and envenom spam?
marble hemlock
ye
3garrote+2rupture
once garrotes run out, 4rupture for energy sustain
if i have vendetta, i do 3g+1r instead, since the vendetta energy will keep sustain high enough for the first stage of the aoe gameplay
and then transition into 4r maintenance
sterile sequoia
100%
marble hemlock
definitely a good move to put azerite onto every boss
sterile sequoia
and with generally really good traits
marble hemlock
im still convinced that blizzard purposefully starts out core-features like azerite in a super shitty state, despite already knowing how to improve them, but then slowly bring those improvements into the game to get players to return after a few months
scarlet wing
do u play tb than instead exsanguinate with ttk ?
royal lantern
i mean, azerite more or less does wath it is supposed too do
golden relic
man ima just make another engi head
scarlet wing
and with 2 ss still and 1 ttk i play exsang than or?
golden relic
drop a SS and use TTK engi head
sterile sequoia
And then it falls into removing things, players leave, give the same things back, people return feeling that there's incentive, when actually they didn't have to create any new features at all
royal lantern
it gives you some individual choices/changes, but not as big as legendarys
strange python
2xTTK, 2xSS, 2xEB. Exang+ PB for M+? Correct?
golden relic
did they nerf barrage of bombs
royal lantern
and lets be honest, legendarys where a huge steaming pile of crap......
golden relic
i dnt remember if they did
untold current
TTK = Treacherous cov?
royal lantern
twist the knife
untold current
oh
scarlet wing
https://prnt.sc/mr379k than engineering helmet instead of shrouded tc?
untold current
for real?
golden relic
i dont think the engi is that bad of a replacement
marble hemlock
legendaries were in the a similar state, where the initial release was horrible, and they slowly improved both their effects and their availablity and end-of-legion legendaries were a great asset that were being used by many people
golden relic
if u lack ttk
scarlet wing
just have one
golden relic
its a decent replacement
royal lantern
meh, most legendarys where boring as hell too
scarlet wing
i have than 2 ttk, 2 eb, 1 ss and the engineering proc
marble hemlock
azerite is in a decent state right now, although im not a big fan of the heavy primary-stat budget they carry and how they scale with ilvl
royal lantern
and the worst part where classes that NEEDED legendarys too be actually playable
spriest and the waist as an example
marble hemlock
having 500dps increase from a 400 to 415 ilvl azerite is stupid, seeing how other slots with the same ilvl increase usually provide ~100-150dps instead
scarlet wing
do i play exsang or tb if i just have one ss?
marble hemlock
most of us raid mythic so we have access to plenty of 415 ilvl azerites, but a lot of people dont and they will always be behind by a significant amount simply due to 15ilvl lower azerite
if you wanna play around TTK, you play TB
plain and simple
doenst matter if you have 3 ss/1ttk, or 3ttk/1ss
royal lantern
is it bad when i say that people that dont do the hard content dont need/deserve the minmax azerite stuff anyway?
marble hemlock
the idea is to pump envenoms into a priority target, and having a 25sec CD that improves that by 30% is huge
well, one of the mainreasons i still raid mythic is because of azerite
if i had other opportunities besides a bi-weekly gamble, i most likely wouldnt raid because both raidtiers in BfA have been godawful
marble hemlock
bod is a piss-easy raid with the most annoying final boss ever, and that includes kiljaeden
golden relic
https://gyazo.com/07b87885cf2579baa1f6c21c8576ee37 messing around with some gems and gear for my m+ gear
this feels like a nice even lvl
this is without gigavolt
mystic charm
How come this Cephaloide Jacket sim higher than the Mekka Bomber Jacket with NP+DD ?
Overwhelming power too stronk or ?
civic palm
OP sims as well as it does as it has a very high uptime in the simulation last I checked, odds are you are going to lose uptime far more than the SIM will.
mystic charm
Hmm, interesting
civic palm
It's still very good, but not so good.
steady grotto
@quiet crescent I know you replied like an hour ago but only just checked lol
i have 20.5% haste
I hit max energy twice in my opener
feel like that shouldn't happen
20.81* so goes up to over 40 when i pop gale
quiet crescent
Like the guy above said. Use it on opener, try smashing your buttons harder ๐คฃ
deft bane
Is there any video or reading source that can help me improve my opener and rotation? im struggling to get 90+ logs, i feel like im missing something crucial.. wowanalyzer is no help at all in this matter
lone junco
Raid kill speed matters. Strats matter. Tank movement.
But yeah. Rotation matters as well.
deft bane
Yea I understand that, I started with 20-40 logs and as I learned the bosses I moved up to about 80+ but im trying to find some sources as I dont really know what I can do more at this point now that I know the fights pretty much in and out ^^
lone junco
Post a log of a st boss like grong and people can dig through it.
cerulean junco
What kind of overall are you guys seeing as sin in m+?
warm harbor
@marble hemlock hey how is that TTK build working out in m+ so far?
deft bane
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dL4AjGMh1zVvyBqr#fight=1&type=damage-done , thats the log of my raid from before - we tried jaina with a smaller group and m+ is usually around 18-20k dps on solo bosses
wary ice
!opener
solid nova
๐ค
wary ice
:^(
i just used the pins
First night with MA: I dont have to worry about empowered garrotes anymore right?
lost horizon
Unless you're using SS still for some reason
Otherwise yeah with MA no snapshotting
wary ice
thanks :^) wish me luck; bursting ~80k
wary ice
Im mostly trying to get used to how shitt pressing garrote feels
vanish garrote - x - garrote felt awesome.
civic palm
Vanish - 3xDD MUT feels better > _>
wary ice
I only got 2 dd :^(
civic palm
POW POW!!
fleet whale
what if dd doesn't proc though?
wary ice
2xdd, 2xnp, ttk, SoB :^(
civic palm
pffffffffffft
royal lantern
2xdd 1xnp and covenant for me
soooo.......i got a good setup
thats wath i always say
wary ice
im trying to get the most out of my 415 rolls
royal lantern
make MA 100%crit and i play it ffs
fleet whale
2xdd, 2xNP, 1 SS, 1 TTK
civic palm
I think I am 3DD|2TC|1NP atm
royal lantern
i dont understand why its capped at 50%, it fells SO SHITY too use vanish just too get no crits
you basicly wasted a cd and gained nothing
and it happens so fking often for me
wary ice
i dislike TC compared to uldir's equivlent whos name i cant remember xd
fleet whale
wars had something similar like that with Reck in MoP
but by the time soo came out their crit was naturally high enough so it didn't matter
royal lantern
im sitting at 80%crit with MA out of stealth
wary ice
77 for me
royal lantern
without crit/spyglass procs
yeha, same for me
i take the 0,2%dps lost and play subterfuge, atleast i always get value out of vanish with it
fleet whale
i think when we get gear from the Azshara season, crit levels should be high enough for MA to be reliable basically all the time
fleet whale
i know an exact copy of the leggo shoulders would be too op as a talent, but MA just feels so bastardized
civic palm
It should probably be 100% for 3 seconds but we're getting there from natural stat growth.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
wary ice
they could make it like next 3-4 abilities have 100% crit
removes crit bleeds from the equation
royal lantern
idk why it would be op....?
fleet whale
yeah, that's why i said next tier it will be alright
royal lantern
i mean, not like 50% bonus crit is more ''balanced''
it just makes the talent somewhat shity too take right now cus its not consistent
fleet whale
it's the risk vs reward factor
and who the hell knows, maybe the "revamped" azerite neck coming in 8.2 will give sin more passive crit
royal lantern
idk, risk vs reward stuff should go away into yahtzee pirate
and its not really risk cus you dont do something risky imo
wary ice
the risk is not playing subt :^)
fleet whale
you're trading away a consistent stronger dot from the opener for a risk of having a very high damaging opener that will lead for more overall dps
civic palm
and the averages show that MA wins.
royal lantern
good thing im not average, but bellow average
fleet whale
but, if you really don't like MA, you're not killing your raid by going subt
royal lantern
yeha,ik
people dont know shit about rogues lol
i know that i dont need too use it lol
(for me atleast sim wise) the difference is way too small too actually matter
rustic ether
do you guys even eat from feasts? i feel like seocndaries like 70 crit normally outwiegh 100 agi
:S
sturdy python
Can check your stat weights
karmic ingot
Free
sturdy python
Pretty sure the 30 extra agility would make it up for most people
karmic ingot
Plus free
drifting cloud
theyre about the same, agility is dogshit on weights
sturdy python
Thats different for everyone
rotund stone
Should I stack 3 NP or 2 TC? Not sure if NP sims right.
drifting cloud
maybe secondaries, not really for agility
I mean assuming we are talking about people in 400-415 ilvl range
and not like the difference are that big
and im pretty sure everyone in that ilvl range has either mastery or haste above 3
warm harbor
@rotund stone I'd go the 3 NP's, TC along with simming lower may not have 100% uptime
fleet whale
yeah the dot from NP is pretty dam strong
strange python
Would it be worth it to take a NP trait over a TC trait?
scarlet wing
yes
fleet whale
yes, especially if you have no NP trait
strange python
Alright tthanks guys
hallow sage
why does this game hate me
sims on par with a 400 ilvl plumage
simmed my outlaw
1k loss on sims
with the proudmoore 2pc and a 415 MH
tbh i got some pretty shitty azerite for outlaw so that doesn't help
wary ice
Whats the master assassin CD rotation after opener? I've been ensureing bleeds are up ->vendetta ->vanish ->Env (or TB depending on points) ->mut (or env if first was tb) -> env (or mut) is this big dumb?
Im thinking vendetta -> TB to 5cp-> vanish ->env ->mut -> env might be smarter
im just having trouble hitting my sim; down by like 9k unsure how big dumb i am;
looking for small ajdustments before log review lol
fleet whale
whenever i do play MA (which hasn't been often) i just naturally go to envenom mut envenom
too used to legion
lone junco
TB windows are mediocre following vendetta
vendetta is vanish is to be synced at 2:20 ish. not staggered.
guy posted a jaina wipe. Im not looking at that.
but i found his best gronk
both trinkets suck, but thats going to be represented in the sim
frozen karma
deft bane
ive got a new trinket though ^^
lone junco
deft bane
what does ss mean?
lone junco
the shrouded garrote trait.
you are using Ss subterfuge TB.
check the guide for opener.
and the midblock vanish is still vanish gg.
until you swap to 3DD with MA/TB.
these TB windows are very dry.
deft bane
ahhhhh okay, i will read the guide for sure
lone junco
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ FAQ IN PINS-->
deft bane
midblock vanish / vanish gg what does that mean?
deft bane
ahhhhhhh
deft bane
thank you so much for your help, how can I check these openers ? sorry for noob question but i really have no idea
with warcraftlogs i take it ?
lone junco
while we are looking at this good log., this is a TB window.
thats 4 mut. and 3 env lol
dd procs in TB are nice.
deft bane
damn no wonder im doing so bad
deft bane
tyvm
charred wedge
Chest off grong, has Scent for blood and bonded souls...is it good for rogues
er assassination
rancid spade
i have 20% haste and feel energy starved
civic palm
That's normal, Assassination doesn't have infinite energy.
ripe nimbus
fleet whale
nice
true fulcrum
Where does BiS belt come from for sin?
smoky fiber
whatever titanforges to 425 and socketed
unique flax
for weapon enchant i follow my highest two sims right?
for m+ shld i enchant crit/mast on weapon
strange python
asking bis in 2019 lul
proven wasp
do you guys use haste food or just the feast?
hollow gyro
at higher ilvls haste stat priority is way higher than agi for me
so i just use haste
proven wasp
yeah my haste without food is 1118 (16%) so probably should use it
modest badge
do you guys 3 garotes with shrouded and waste combo points on the third or 2 and rupture?
drifting cloud
in what scenario
modest badge
mythic plus
drifting cloud
think triple garrote is almost always better
maybe if you only have 1 ss and some huge prio mob, but even then
strange python
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
civic palm
heythatfirstguyisaneatdoodiheard > _>"
charred wedge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GLFdaQ47ZkxBW6hV/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 Opinions...or just to give u a laugh:( I know i did horrible, first time in there on heroic with them for progression:/ I know i wasn't good:/ But help would be nice on tatics or what u do for those fights
surreal patio
Can rogues soak coin shower with cheat death?
drifting cloud
no
surreal patio
ty
cobalt gyro
primal gazelle
he touched 500k for a split second
round harbor
pulling reaping into pretty standard for a few bosses
we do it in TD, atal, siege, and havent tried it yet but plan on waycrest
round harbor
surprised ur cowl with ds/tc isnt higher than that one
i would say that sims might be flawed there
primal gazelle
in what way
prisma crescent
So basically just hide awful ST dps under 20t cleave. Season 2 baby
terse hinge
@prisma crescent essentially Outlaw in a nutshell right there my friend
proven wasp
Does dead eyes spyglass work the same as eye of command, where it only incresses your crit against one target?
terse hinge
Equip:ย Your attacks have a chance to mark their targets as Dead Ahead.
Any who get the dead ahead proc would be affected
So if you're lucky, maybe more than one. More than likely itll be one target
drifting cloud
thats not what hes asking ๐
you get crit for everything, but u obv need to hit the target it procced on to stack it
proven wasp
All good, i understand now
So worth using on multi target fights? not sure if its worth over galecaller's boon though. galecaller's sims just slightly better at the same ilvl
stone crescent
Who would bve the best streamer to watch for assassination guide?
Was looking for seli but I dont know the twitch link
drifting cloud
seli is /incarnated
forest beacon
Question, why is gale force striking bad? Seems like 15% attack speed would be better than a secondary stat in theory. Is it just that the enchant is so much secondary?
cloud iris
@proven wasp dead-eye is pretty much bis on multi target (aka m+) cause u want as much crit as possible for echoing blades
sand otter
i have it on all 3 azerite pieces
trying to get my damage up
sim says i should use 3 double dose over 3 shrouded
and i can barley maintain 13k in heroic Draz currently. i have to be doing something very wrong
patent topaz
how many wipes did people have on opulence before first kill? i'm starting to lose hope
sand otter
it took us 3 pulls on herioc, that was our last kill on tuesday
tepid orchid
Does echoing blade procs apply poison?
cloud iris
@grizzled 70+ pulls and 30 more to kill it a second time x)
drifting cloud
why the hell did it take you 30 wipes on rekill :P?
drifting cloud
30 wipes is alot more than 45min
cloud iris
@drifting cloud not even new people haha, but the same 3 to 5 people who fcked up in the first 70 tries decided to fck up on reclear aswell
thorn tartan
Oh shit we Only got about 20tries in opu i am scared
cloud iris
Pretty sure most guilds dont spend as much time as we did on it, dont be scared :p
thorn tartan
Well at least we just needed 10 for jadefire ๐
drifting cloud
yeah the raid has a funny curve
we had more wipes on Opu than on conclave + rasta combined
but the gear in 1st-2nd reset helped alot on Opu, youd just do rooms 5-10s faster and skip 1-2 mechanics
cinder yoke
does anyone know how sims model gigavolt offhand, or been using it for a while?
thorn tartan
Ah well that gives me a good feeling about them ๐
We spent 4 resets in heroic.. Only two days raiding.. So missed some grong and jf kills
patent topaz
Got 61 wipes so far, last pull yesterday was a 1m wipe
warm harbor
can rogues cloak the roar on mythic grogn?
strange python
tantrum? ye
real bay
not sure why would you cloak the fear
strange python
oh, that roar
real bay
tantrum is the only thing you should cloak
oblique smelt
Just got the Mekkatwerk trinket yesterday on mythic. When do i use it? just on CD whenever its at 6 stacks?
true gyro
Yes
oblique smelt
sick
true gyro
And get the weak aura for it so its easy to follow
worldly iron
if things go sour during the fear, it's good to know if you can use cloak to save things or not
oblique smelt
What weakaura i was looking for a good one
worldly iron
I always cloak tantrum so I dunno if it works, I always imagined it being a physical roar
oblique smelt
i think tantrum is nature damage
oblique smelt
oh 
worldly iron
my sentence got a little split up
oblique smelt
Roar is physical damage
Tantrum (on alliance side) is shadow damage so that can be cloaked at least
real bay
and feint when you and cloak, healers will thank you sir
worldly iron
or be mad that they lose out on logs ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
real bay
can't heal ded ppl
oblique smelt
Just press buttons harder to do more healing 
oblique smelt
Someone in my guild was like "oh Zas should take orb because he can feint all the AoE and cloak stuff" So i end up holding the orb for almost a minute all the time
rip energy 
oblique smelt
my favorite thing about that fight is when i want to pool energy but then im 30% and not getting heals and there is a tantrum coming in so i have to feint and vial
worldly iron
my favorite thing is always having to take an orb
we're basically farming him, make someone else do it once 
visual quartz
we started getting a range to grab orb, me and the other rogue are pumped ๐
worldly iron
I'm pumped for another week of no azerite drops 
continuing on progress for rasty will be fun at least
quick ice
that's some good gambling
quiet crescent
What's a legit high ilvl sin simulation looking like? 27k? Or not that high ?
pastel vault
no sin is 27k, dont think
vivid bone
I'd say anything near 25/26k is pretty up there
pastel vault
maybe like a bit over 26k
quiet crescent
Damn. We are cucked I thought mine was just doodoo.
rose perch
i'm 25,800
pastel vault
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fpCesEbMfSbChREzuRPavf this is fine though
rose perch
sin always outperforms our sims relative to other specs though
since we handle downtime so well
full harbor
When I have SS and vendetta comes back up do i use it before my vanish Garrotes or after
quick ice
such that your vanish garrote has as much uptime during vendetta as possile
rose perch
you should vanish, get your two garrotes, then vendetta generally
strange python
Well does he do 28k? Correct me if I am wrong but.... Patchwerk as casters are allways alot higher than they are since they have to move? :s
full harbor
So the damge is calcuated constantly?
rose perch
yes vendetta is dynamic, not snapshot
quick ice
yes
quick ice
also, RE: demo, - they have a crazy good trait at the moment (the explosion potential one he has 3 of)
quiet crescent
I understand why its OP.i run with a demo lock who regularly pulls 40k run dps
odd hatch
@rose perch A week or two ago you looked at my stormwall logs and mentioned i should use vanish w/ vendetta for the mega garrotes. One thing has been confusing me since then. Since vanish is used 16 or so seconds after vendetta in the opener, do i save vendetta when it comes up the second time around to line up with vanish?
quick ice
yes
solid nova
yes
rose perch
@odd hatch Yes - the second set you delay vendetta and then every future one they line up nicely for you ๐
frozen pecan
yes
odd hatch
Mm alright then yeah that makes a lot of sense. Ive always been worried about losing an endgame vendetta because of saving it. Guess thatโs why ive been holding
To think ive been making such a rookie mistake all this time ๐
rose perch
yeah i think if you know for absolute 100% suresies you'd lose a vendetta then maybe you can do something different
but i never do that
frozen pecan
just keep believing in yourself
odd hatch
Alright then, got it. Thanks all
mighty elm
Suresies
full harbor
If I cast envenom, my dots arent going to fall off and Im not about to cap energy is it ok to not cast anything or should I always be spending
full harbor
So I dont really need to worry about that 10% damage buff uptime?
After finishers I forget the name, Planning?
odd hatch
Elaborate planning
cloud iris
@full harbor wait with the envenom instead of waiting after it
Except if ur vendetta/TB window is about to expire obviously
real bay
other stuff is more important than worrying about EP uptime
odd hatch
Think of it as would you rather have that 10% buff with full energy for mutilates and envenoms + dots or for solely dots. Pooling vs starved
slim socket
U want to use muti inside elaborated but usually it happens just like that
real bay
It's pretty automatic , pooling helps
slim socket
Everything comes down to pooling so basically u want to wait a bit before using finisher to get some energy to follow up with muti
Only exception is in Toxic Blade window when u want to get as many envenoms as possible
strange python
I know pooling before TB is what you wanna do. But you mean you are "micro"pooling even before every Envenom? Or did I misunderstand now?
slim socket
Yes
strange python
TB pooling 110-120
Envenom pooling? 40?
slim socket
Dont know exact number but idea is to get 4-5cp in 5s with elaborated buff
As long as you are not capping energy and cp with dots up u are not losing dps
mighty elm
Ik ppl say you want to fit as many env in Tb as possible , but last I checked The APL gets 2 and many times even 1 evenom in the TB, so I dont thinks itโs as important as ppl make it seem
strange python
Any reccomendations for streamers/youtubers that play assassination? My guild almost has HC BfD on farm, but Iโm not hitting the best logs and not sure where Iโm falling down. Want to pick up some tips to see some purple/orange parses
@strange python you could post your logs here :)
golden relic
For raid specifically or ?
strange python
@mighty elm I think it is more important than the sim says. Otherwise nobody would care. So I think it is a gain
To be honest, I know my M+ game could be stronger too, but mainly speaking about raids here yeah. Iโll try and get a link for logs.
mighty elm
@strange python I thought APL does the best possible rotation 
grizzled jay
If you are doing your rotation right, good logs come from faster and smoother boss kills
strange python
@strange python https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JNb7a3ZcrWkvCL4g/ this was last night. Died on a couple of bosses hence one or two are super low. Any advice and help from anyone is greatly appreciated.
(Im the rogue, obviously)
real bay
it does what you can actually do, not every TB window gets 3 envenom in reality
strange python
@strange python I am not the right person to look at your logs :) It was Only a suggetstion. Other in here have very Nice parses
grizzled jay
I'm in a terrible guild just now starting mythic jade fire and I'm parsing 90 95s mostly. I'm gonna assume you aren't doing your rotation right @Dog
carmine lynx
@strange python you should try using MA with those traits first of all
3xdd 2 x np an 1x tc , no need to run subterfuge
solid nova
You're also triple mutilating
full pagoda
Hey guys. I'm also here to ask for somebody who's good enough to see in-depth logs problem and be good enough to let me ask him in PMs. And no, even if uptimes could be better this is prolly not the only reason I can't get any orange parses. It's super annoying me, another week, another fails. Anybody?
strange python
Hitting mutilate too many times on my opener and overlapping CP ?@solid nova
Overcapping *
solid nova
Not just in your opener mate
Its throughout the fights
You're also not pairing your 2nd vend/vanish
And second pot seems to be used randomly at times
You've got some whacky openers on some fights too
full pagoda
Here are the logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zmLkbGpt4x9BrKwq
I also have another problem whicu Idk how to stop. Sometimes I tend to redot during TB, because I wanna redot in pandenic window. So, how do I overcome this? If anybody is good enough to tell me what else they see (except uptime prolly), let me know.
solid nova
Its better to refresh in TB, than let your dots drop off
full pagoda
Is it possible the reason of not having any SS traits and also baf trinkets overall, compared to most people be a reason fot me not being able to parse orange, as I just can't do more dmg? Like...the other rogue had some insane bursts, It looked like I was afk in the meanwhile.
If I had around 35-40k bursts at best, the guy prolly had around 60k
spice surge
You're casting fan of knives a lot of fights such as conclave and jadefire. With 3x DD you should only cast fok on 5+ targets
grizzled jay
You don't need SS traits to parse orange.
Unless you wanna cheese some secondary targets
But even then your setup should be enough
brisk aurora
its just easier if you know the fight ss is good and so consistent
strange python
We did zerg on 1st boss mythic. Somehow two adds died anyway.... padding ... damn padding :P
golden relic
I was thinking about something in the ravenholdt assa guide since we mostly say go read it lol
full pagoda
When I'm not using ss traits I can't pad on adds on first boss as I've got Ma, just gonna waste the whole opener. And I can't run down from boss to adds just to pad. I think I should switch 1dd for 1ss, as only mekka and jaina doesn't really have adds.
golden relic
in the rotation section on cleave it says Rupture, if the target will live long enough
wheres the context to that
its so difused
spice surge
There is literally nothing wrong with your setup aya
brisk aurora
i mean its not best for prog but if you wana parse better be a speedy boi and pad them adds
golden relic
well no good guild is gna look at champions and think "wow he did a good job rupturing those adds"
"wow he ran SS to pad"
full pagoda
XD
spice surge
For example on conclave: Stop multidotting the bosses, stop using fan of knives and use a second pot
brisk forge
Hope your GM dont check out this Chanel then xD
full pagoda
I know a goos guild will check the log in-depth but still, when you see purple you are like, damn, he is not so good
brisk forge
Good guilds wants someone that is good with progress
subtle tundra
dps isnt everything
brisk aurora
you have logs you can link?
subtle tundra
youre a rogue you have a lot of utility
brisk forge
Not with 100% logs on farm
golden relic
purple is not that bad , now when u kno alot of ppl do pad, and dps isnt everything, theres so much more
subtle tundra
and you may be put to do special tasks
full pagoda
@brisk aurora they are a bit above
golden relic
I mean
full pagoda
@spice surge yeah well, I wasn't sure if it matters to multi dot bosses or stick to one, also, I highly doubt those things done woukd give me orange 
thanks for the tips though
golden relic
the other guy in your guild
brisk forge
Padding will give u higher parses
brisk aurora
i mean off the bat other dudes gear is better rings are big and yours can be replaced
golden relic
so like, sure he did more dps
brisk aurora
just gotta grind it out
golden relic
but in a scenario if u have to swap to adds like in mythic, if u only have HC logs t ogo off
it shows u are doing stuff properly
ppl value that
alot
spice surge
No, he plays better than you
strange python
When I was looking for guild in the end or Uldir that is all I came in with. I never die, allways do mechanics and did decent dps. Now my dps is higher and I still don't die to shit. They are happy with me ;)
spice surge
On grong, you use vendetta on grong and then you swap to adds
and you dont second pot
subtle tundra
my trinkets are also insane. the motherlode trinket 425 with socket
spice surge
Also, using garrote inside MA ๐ค
severe current
Hey guys. When do i use fok correctly? I feel like 4+ target seems late given i have no dd and one eb
golden relic
cuz your useage of it is like