I burst for 10 mil easy on level 10 boars ๐
#assassination
strange python
stable pine
@strange python need log my dude
strange python
I'm not even registered on any log website
stable pine
Sounds like fake burst then
strange python
...
drifting cloud
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jW7JuthP3y4Ebc8WLSN9ba @crude bay ๐คท
500 is so much, it definetly doesnt feel that much worse
strange python
anyway, just passed by to say good night
drifting cloud
ah yeah forgot to swap
crude bay
i got 2x pieces with DD+SS tho
So its not DD vs SS in my case, and it wont be for many
In which situation, Subt will be better, even for ST
And any spec that perform a tiny bit worse pure ST, but get a lot more value multitarget, is always something i would go for
crude bay
Double gambling yeah
i got 0 raid pieces
We are discussing traits tho, not how to get them
drifting cloud
yeah but most people dont have 2-3 415 pieces per slot to choose from
so usually you just wear what dropped/you gambled
crude bay
But we are talking in terms of end game raiding
drifting cloud
id much rather prefer to have 1 ss perma on my gear
crude bay
and then you usually do
drifting cloud
but dont have that option, or well losing 600 dps st seems alot atleast
primal gazelle
dont mind me, just casually sustaining 92k dps over 118 seconds in the double skele pack in UR 18 @lone junco
seli 100k in 30 secs aint got shit on dis
chilly marsh
m+ 18+?
drifting cloud
thats the pack right after 2nd boss?
primal gazelle
double skeles into reaping
chilly marsh
for me they dont last that long ever
spice surge
But yeah, i dont see people preaching how good twist the knife is, even though twist and SS are about the same value on ST
stable pine
@primal gazelle 3xEB?
quick ice
I like twist
bleak spoke
tbf a bunch of people do really like ttk
primal gazelle
was sustaining 110k up until the last 2 mobs, and dropped down to 92k rip
yea 3 eb
is sickkkkkkkkkkkkkk
quick ice
I just don't evangelize for my azerite .
crude bay
what was your overall?
spice surge
Yeah twist is what a lot of people (me included) like for m+
bleak spoke
ppl just don't really like change i think is the issue
stable pine
@primal gazelle do you evisc or just spam FOK?
primal gazelle
bleak spoke
in an ideal world 3 SS + exsang would sim best for me cuz that's what i like playing the most but
it doesn't lmao
crude bay
Sin can def be viable, but the only reason you run sin over outlaw in m+ right now, is never damage, it would only be if you need the slow
primal gazelle
did 39k overall in a 19 UR last night
bleak spoke
that's not true
crude bay
It is though
bleak spoke
the reason you run sin over outlaw is that when you hit the point you run out of blade flurries sin still continues to pump
primal gazelle
can outlaw sustain 92k for 2 mins ๐ค
spice surge
Yes
bleak spoke
probably for 2 mins
crude bay
No, cause pack will already be dead cause you pumped 200k for 1 min
๐
aka time saveds
bleak spoke
if you already have aoe pump classes sin will save more time with prio targetting
crude bay
and you are running triple EB; you lose a lot of ST value from that, outlaw can pump aoe dmg while not losing out on st dmg
bleak spoke
this argument's been hashed out like a million fkn times in here tho
crude bay
Just look at this season
primal gazelle
love it tho
bleak spoke
i play both in dungeons, have fun playing both and think both are good zzz
primal gazelle
outlaw vs sin keep them coming
drifting cloud
I doubt we will see sin rogues in mdi
crude bay
how many big boys you see running assa in huge dungeons?
bleak spoke
seliathan
crude bay
Ok, one
bleak spoke
and tht should be enough
primal gazelle
technically its the same 5 people thats "big boy"
crude bay
now look at the rest
bleak spoke
yeh
primal gazelle
adnd you see their names 5 times each on each dungeon
spice surge
That morningwind dude always plays assa aswell
crude bay
And thats because seli is fanboy to assa, if seli did as good as outlaw as he did as sin
hed do more dmg
bleak spoke
it's dad and ashine and seli and morning and flawless and muscle etc etc
flawless plays assa too
ashine does as well soemtimes
crude bay
dad and ashine go outlaw now
spice surge
Outlaw is just a lot easier to play without the perfect gear setu
spice surge
Assa scales with gear and requires good azerite, whereas outlaw can just blast with whatever
primal gazelle
mdi will prob be mostly outlaws tbh
crude bay
just because some people perform with assa, doesnt make it the best
bleak spoke
yeh that's the issue i have with sin, the azerite is pretty hard to acquire
crude bay
MDI will be double outlaw for lots of dungeons
bleak spoke
they say sub's gonna make a comeback
spice surge
Outlaw scaling is ๐ฉ
primal gazelle
im fine with it
crude bay
Gonna see double rogue for many comps in mdi
bleak spoke
i wish i had the money to reforge my gear constantly ;-;
primal gazelle
easier for my name to be on top of wcl allstars since all the good rogues went outlaw 
drifting cloud
outlaw just gonna get nerfed like monk was
bleak spoke
yeh seli and sebek playing together as double rogue, gonna be lit 8D
lone junco
@primal gazelle ngl thats pretty good. Do you find that you can EB like that with a DH? meaning are you guys fighting for the same trash?
bleak spoke
i hope jay doesn't play that boring ass zul pad mage build
the one with freezing/thermal
primal gazelle
in higher keys on fortified yeah
civic palm
_>
primal gazelle
after their 1st eyebeam, their dps just goes down
crude bay
Triple melee is prob the play for mdi teams
bleak spoke
triple melee is only unviable where like motherlode and siege?
though with outlaw attack range it probably works in ml
primal gazelle
i think chain pulling will be a big factor to bringing outlaw > sin in mdi
bleak spoke
yeh being able to chain pull really really helps
spice surge
If you're only running 1 SS then chain pulling doesnt really matter that much as assa
bleak spoke
the last boss is a pain
crude bay
i did +20 ML triple melee in infested weeks
spice surge
With the 1ss, 3ttk and 2eb
crude bay
Then its obv viable with reaping
drifting cloud
mdi is just gonna be like 15 keys again lul
spice surge
Prob like 17-19s
bleak spoke
oh right i probably only think that cuz i play with a mistweaver
literally all melee >_>
civic palm
The keys need to be possible, not that kinda competition.
primal gazelle
i thought mdi was always 13-14 keys
crude bay
Hopefully i get to compete aswell
primal gazelle
well they all had 370 ilvl gear last time
civic palm
It's about speed and nothing else, doesn't matter what chest they get so long the majority of people are clearing.
crude bay
Have no team atm tho
bleak spoke
i don't want them to be doing keys i can do easily with some random guildies ๐
crude bay
you cant easily do them at the level they do tho
bleak spoke
true
crude bay
which is the entertainment value in it
bleak spoke
a spread of keystone levels would be nice tho
drifting cloud
bring back tyrannical dht memes
crude bay
yikes
drifting cloud
people wiping on last boss was fun times
crude bay
spicy boss
drifting cloud
I mean dungeons in legion didnt get patched
until mdi quals
remember shade spell reflects
or the 100 bugs and overtuned as fuck bosses in cathedral
they just didnt care
old quartz
you guys always getting opal for m opulence?
spice surge
Ultimately what matters is the raid dps, and if you being alive and keeping the debuff up (so its like 100% damage for everyone) that is gonna be way more benefitial than you having 40% more damage
civic palm
Yeah you're better off to make sure the Ruby never drops than risk it and be Opal.
spice surge
But yeah, if you have others that take ruby that you know wont drop it, you take opal
drifting cloud
well
you what what 3 people with it everytime atleast?
and they kinda have to be melee
so it more depends on your raid comp than anything tbh
quick ice
We ran 5 because we had a lot of trials last night.
drifting cloud
yeah I mean we do 4 aswell, can see dropping down to 3
spice surge
5 sounds overkill but its better than dropping the stacks i guess
drifting cloud
and my guild doesnt have that many melee, so I dont see how I wont have ruby
spice surge
The ideal (for a speedkill scenario) would be 2, but thats relying on not getting screwed by swaps
Hunter that play BM are the best ruby carriers
quick ice
They had issues last week where a 100stack fell off because only 4. Idk, wasn't there.
spice surge
Since they are ranged but attack as fast as melee
steep obsidian
you prolbaby want 4 just in case it goes to shit and some ruby people die, its impossible for someone to keep ruby up and run the gold out
at least the first set of golds anyway
spice surge
Speaking of a lot of melees, fuck the fires on rastakhan
Playing with anything more than 2-3 melees makes it so awful, you just have to run out soo much
steep obsidian
huh?
quick ice
I swear melee don't get it on heroic
drifting cloud
yes
spice surge
Yes on mythic the fires can hit melee
fickle idol
!opulence
old quartz
yes i dont need ruby, we have others. ty @spice surge
fast nacelle
rustic ether
m+ dungeon slice on raidbots telling me to get some haste :S
light kestrel
I got the chargestone of the thunderking from the tort emissary cache... Is it as terrible as it sounds?
primal gazelle
Overplayed classes in MDI will always get nerfed, like ww monk in legion and sub rogues at the last one
Sin stay under the radar while outlaw get hit with the bat ๐ค
civic palm
. . .
cobalt gyro
i mean if we're pretending sub rogues were ok in what they did last time then ya sure
i don't think doing more than double the damage of everyone else in the same situation was "ok" tho
terse hinge
^^
surreal solar
invocation yu'lon bad?
rugged jetty
on mythic mekka when your huge can you shadowstep to someone or boss and not kill anyone?
honest iris
@rugged jetty yeah you can shadowstep. Ive done it and no one died
worse case they get stunned for like 1s
warm geode
ember forum
primal gazelle
best of luck 2 u
hallow sage
@ember forum oh no, you fell for the wildcard mass recruiting
civic palm
lol
grave elk
if im running SS and sub. is Garrote mutilate rupture garrote vendetta tb envenom a good opener? just had sum1 suggest it for me. but ive been doing the guides opener of Garrote rup Garrote etc.
hallow sage
@grave elk
rustic ether
@grave elk you only get 3 GCDs inside subterfuge so you have to have garrote be in those first three globals twice no matter what
otherwise you overwrite it with a basic garrote and you lose a fuckload of dmg
grave elk
thats what i thought. he was tellin me about it being super strong. and i was like umm isnt that bad
onyx rock
Is the Person that told you this opener maybe musclebrah ? ๐ค
civic palm
Nah MB is on that normal shit, he ain't fuckin up SUB AFAIK O _O
unlessHeIsTryingToSabotageYOU O _O
grave elk
for m+ my opener on mobs. do u guys 3 x garrote diff targets then pop CT or use a rupture
civic palm
yaaaaaaas, CT into Ruptures.
grave elk
I legit have a guy telling me by opening with garrote rupt garrote is losing me dps cuz im refreshing an enhanced garrote
civic palm
He can be as wrong as he'd like but that's perfectly fine on ST.
So long the Empowerment from Subterfuge remains at the second Garrote you are not losing anything.
grave elk
gotcha
civic palm
Unless there is a new bug that is causing some unexpected interactions, but I doubt that very much.
lone junco
@grave elk g r g is ST. G tab G tab G ct is M+ trash open.
assuming subterfuge with +1 ss.
and yeah. the grg is really good at pushing garrote to 24 sec. and also feeding a lot of cheap cps on the open.
rustic ether
@grave elk hearing that would make me go into an uncontrollable rage tbh
lone junco
a lot of people say dumb things.
civic palm
or just what they know works well.
lone junco
I saw a person specced into cannoball barrage
civic palm
Not that it's dumb, just that they do not know any better.
UNLESS... they're just being an idiot.
I KNOW WHAT THE GUIDE SAYS... but this works better for ME
lone junco
we were clowning a guy that opened stealth with MUT. instead of garrote. cause he knew better. Turned out he was getting NSDP applictions ayo.
civic palm
That kinda thing.
Yeah that era also brought some people into BFA wondering about MUT openers as well.
lone junco
was a cool log. guy didnt need to sim to know how to play
civic palm
Without understanding why people were mistakenly doing it.
rustic ether
speaking of cannonball barrage, how is that not a trait for outlaw? that would be such a cool aoe trait if like popping AR would also proc a cannon barrage
lone junco
rip
civic palm
If you had small enough ping you can knife ~> step and still get the NS bonus.
But it's sketchy as fuck.
incoming CBB talent + BLADED CANNONBALL trait
lone junco
CBB should have always been good, and just reset CD based on targets hit. like DH beam orange.
civic palm
Yep.
rustic ether
like how the fuck did they drop the ball for a pirate spec during a fucking naval pirate expansion
civic palm
I am actually not sure why they removed CBB other than pulling out of the "pirate" focus.
rustic ether
LUL
civic palm
They could easily tune it to compete.
Apply a multi-target damage cap so it doesn't go crazy like we have for Echoing Blades.
etc.
Fuckin...
visual quartz
My stat weights are saying master 2.8, haste 2.6. not feeling like socketing mastery. thoughts?
civic palm
have CBB apply a debuff that increases physical damage taken > _>
@visual quartz Sounds right.
rustic ether
they could honestly just remove paradise lost and everytime you reroll with only one buff it summons a giant cannonball/CBB splitting between all enemies
anyways BACK TO SIN
civic palm
Mastery and Haste are very good if you have 1xNothing Personal.
rustic ether
@visual quartz people have been noticing that haste loses out to secondaries once you hit around 20%ish haste
civic palm
and unless you are doing M+ Critical Strike Chance loses value @ ~23% for ST.
and yeah Haste @ ~20%
cobalt gyro
thoughts on marked for conclave?
cobalt gyro
ya but marked to cheese combo points on raptors
civic palm
Not enough targets imo, though if you can use it every minute that's good.
I don't remember the timer for raptors.
If it lines up that's the best if can be, but if the raptors aren't near you you're only using MFD a few times over the course of the fight and that doesn't seem as good as Vigor over the entire fight.
quick ice
Raptors are every minute.
civic palm
Technically over a minute as you need them to come to you, so if you have strong ranged MFD becomes much worse.
quick ice
Yes. I wouldn't run it.
civic palm
It's not quite like Vectis where you are basically delivered a second target to your feet.
Talic elevator also made MFD decent there.
Taloc*
quick ice
I actually ran internal bleeding as a test last week, because I figured it would do more than prey.
I usually go straight for back raptors because pallystun on close, and they die instantly.
civic palm
Yeah.
quick ice
So I get more from IB than the raid would from prey.
civic palm
I do wanna say that 10%DMG is better than a bleed you don't get most of the duration out of.
cobalt gyro
mfd is a 30s on sin so i figured it wouldn't be awful
civic palm
That all depends one how long they live of course.
cobalt gyro
and ya prey is probably better since you might not always get the full ticks of internal
civic palm
?
cobalt gyro
civic palm
O _O
cobalt gyro
idk, it def 30
cobalt gyro
oh the aura changes is
lmao
i know it's 60s for outlaw because relentless lowers it
civic palm
Yeah, for SIN and SUB it is 30 seconds.
grave elk
always refresh CT at 2 seconds remaining on bleed?
i think my aoe rotation just feels bad cuz i only have 1 EB lol
cobalt gyro
ya i'm getting huge value out of mfd on conclave rn
civic palm
EB won't influence rotation unless you are trying to say that your damage is low. @grave elk
grave elk
well cuz idk if at 3 targets fok is actually worth? and also i dont know how priority works when 3 targets compared to 4 or more
grave elk
so 3 or more i can fok. ?
civic palm
I think it's 2 or more if you are nearing 25% crit, probably less. Though that does feel kinda butt.
grave elk
gotcha yeah im sitting on 22% crit and like 16% haste. i had 19% haste and it felt good. then i got gear upgrades and dropped me like 3% haste lol
civic palm
This was WITHOUT Echoing Blades.
grave elk
oh dang so 3 targets after applying poisons always mutilate
civic palm
WITHOUT Echoing Blades O _O
grave elk
god damnit lol. so IMA just spam fok always
civic palm
DDx2 probably pushes FoK spam to 3+ targets.
EBx3 probably pushes FoK spam to 2+ targets.
grave elk
yeah i only have 1 DD and 1 EB so im guessing ill just spam on 3
civic palm
If you somehow have DDx3 and EBx3, I do not know what word you are living in.
Yeah that's probably fine.
2 is probably fine as well
grave elk
yeah i just feel super energy starved it seems in aoe situations. so i try to get rupture on 3 targets
civic palm
Your goal should be getting your energy regen to 35/second so you can FoK spam.
grave elk
how the hell do i know if im getting 35 a sec?
cobalt gyro
3 dd 3 eb sounds liek hell
civic palm
You can use a WA, can use an addon like DejaCharacterStats, can press FoK and see where your NRG is in 1 GCD.
grave elk
what is NRG?
civic palm
energy* fuckinkids
cobalt gyro
also it's about 3-4 ruptures
grave elk
i have deja but id have to have the character sheet open right?
so my base regen atm is 12.7 so atleast i know where i can see it
civic palm
Yeah if you wanna, the update is kinda weird the last I checked though, like it's not constant, so you have to close and open it again.
cobalt gyro
i use miz's multi rupture tracker for it actually
civic palm
That works as well.
grave elk
can u link
civic palm
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cobalt gyro
soon as it's at 4, just fok spams
civic palm
can find it in that
grave elk
alright so multi target rupt is the one id want
civic palm
Tomorrow I might see if I can get a #/sec for energy in there as well.
Maybe.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
balmy condor
hey, kind of a whack question, but I see a lot of high-level sin rogues in m+ using double echo, triple shrouded and a scent, flawless for example. using that, how would you choose between rupture/crimson, and straight fan of knives spam
civic palm
Well you can't spam FoK if you don't have the energy to do so, and with 1Scent you're probably spamming the shit out of Rupture, to ~6.
Shrouded is for the strong opener as normal.
Also pretty decent ST.
balmy condor
so the strat would be triple garrote into a CT, maintain the CT dot and get a ton of ruptures out, then go ham on the fan
civic palm
Yeah, but with only 1 scent the value isn't that much, and since they have 2xEB you're gonna wanna spam FoK earlier than you are going to be putting up Ruptures.
There's also the problem of putting up too many ruptures and not being able to keep them up without a LOT of CP, but since that doesn't run at Twist the Knife it should not be that bad.
balmy condor
yeah, I'm running triple shrouded/triple echoes right now, but my helm is 370 
but I could run double echoes and a scent with a 400 helm, which is probably worth
civic palm
30 item levels is a lot > _>"
civic palm
Then quit yer bitchin ๐
balmy condor
tidal tartan
So yesterday on champions my grp decided to just sit on the boss full time. I reviewed my logs and noticed that my garrote and rupture had 95% uptime. I never once let them fall off. I raid from EU on US servers and my MS is usually around 150. Im curious if my timers are a skewed because of this latency? Also, if theyโre whats how do I gauge when to refresh my bleeds in order to prevent them falling off?
distant halo
Is anyone else finding their getting small GCD interruptions when having a few dots up? Iโve been on the target dummies for about an hour now and it seems after many dots applied my fan of knives and dot application seems to get chocked sometimes, missing a half global here and there, the same feeling of playing with lag and not pressing the next ability in time but I have no lag whatsoever
raven mica
Reminder that CotL is a hard pad fight that can be mega cheesed, but that doesnt give you greens.
steel geyser
!azerite
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bleak spoke
Wat, I parsed orange doing nothing but ST on cotl >_>
You donโt need to pad at all
raven mica
well, to get the 100s you do but not here for that
bleak spoke
Well yeah probably
bleak spoke
Did you get robbed by cheesers xd
raven mica
Yea now im #16
to be fair I ran killing spree on the fight and we stacked adds on top of boss, anyways wrong channel
@west cove you didnt vanish.
quick ice
I killed everyone's parse on cotl this week. Somehow cast evasion instead of shroud and prepulled.
raven mica
your garrote/rupture uptime could be improved.
since you waited 15 seconds on your 2nd toxic blade, you missed a cast
bleak spoke
Better to have to rupture or garrote in your Tb than to lose a cast
Obviously itโs not an ideal situation but thatโs the case
raven mica
its the equivalent of a 3-4 CP envenom with a lower energy cost that generates a combo point
bleak spoke
Or two 8D
west cove
thanks @raven mica this is really helpful!!
do i just blindly follow my sims recommendations or do i tweak them to myself?
tidal tartan
Anyone have insight on my questions posted a bit earlier in regards to MS?
raven mica
Considering how easy that fight is, its so easy to get a perfect rotation on it
or hit adds
or do a lot of things
bleak spoke
Iโd say that you can get a blue/purple parse just doing the basics tbh, bleed uptime, Tb casts, vendettas
raven mica
well in that fight he only had time for one vendetta
bleak spoke
I mean in general tho
raven mica
I should play sin again, still waiting on a decent chest before I do.
nah fuck that shit ill wait until im on mekkatwerk
raven mica
Mekkatwerk
west cove
when does EB start losing value? i see is managed about 60% uptime on avergae
bleak spoke
EB loses value when you have a prio target
west cove
sorry *EP
drifting cloud
mekka sims better than spymaster, might be another one
bleak spoke
At 413 equipped mp still sims like 750 behind with high mastery
west cove
so even avg 60% uptime is still better then the MP ?
drifting cloud
or maybe I was simming mekka at 420 ilvl, anyways theyre super close
bleak spoke
Canโt say for certain, thatโs the sort of thing you have to play at a training dummy a few times
Just set a timer for 5 minutes and do your best rotation once or twice with either talent
And youโll see if itโs worth for you
EP will almost always play better if you follow the rules or whatever
west cove
and high movement fights like conc?
bleak spoke
Conclave is an st patchwork pretending to be like 8 other things
Your uptime on the primary target should be close to full
The only time you get off is to kidney or rupture random raptors
And with sprint you outpace your tanks movement when itโs being dragged into paku zone
So you can spend the whole time hitting
Like I doubt mp will make you go up on the meters but if it does itโs trash damage that will be healed up anyway
west cove
thanx valuable feedback, in m+ do you even bother with fan traits and crimson tempest and the rupture trait?
bleak spoke
Or overkill from other classes slamming raptors
EB is incredible in m+
CT and scent of blood had their day but most ppl donโt anymore
raven mica
SS/EB are 100% the best M+ traits
bleak spoke
Well the SS is debatable
west cove
regardless of ST ?
bleak spoke
But until you reach pretty high keys itโs not worth discussing
If you play 3 SS exsang on the 1.5-3 min dungeon fights youโll slam on ST
west cove
hmmmm some really nice advise here really appreciate it guys.
full pagoda
Hey everyone, anybody who's good at analyzing logs and has the desire to help me?
tidal tartan
I literally sat on the boss yesterday during champions and yet manage to only have 94% uptime of garrote and 95%rupture. My MS is 150 due to me playing from EU on NA servers. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CWLvY3p1HaDwGNBg#fight=6&type=damage-done For reference. If the MS is the reason for my bleeds dropping off, when should I be refreshing or how can I calculate the time based on MS?
signal summit
150 ms shouldnt affect ur bleeds falling off
just apply them 2 sec before they expire in worst case
vast forum
Except the empowered garrotes
round harbor
Refresh in the pandemic window and have like 99% ezclapper
tepid orchid
Does mastery affect double dose dmg?
empty tide
full pagoda
Eh, I guess I'll just write it down if anybody has the time and is willing to help. I literally got no idea why I can't go above 70-80% parses on most bosses. Last night we just did HC reclear. Can somebody check Opulence, Conclave, Rastakan and Blockade encounters. I literally have no idea, as I sit on some mostly. It cannot be only uptime, I must be doing something wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dDwHAYX1ZQP6mr8f
real bay
doubt mastery does anything for dd
round harbor
@full pagoda without even looking at logs I promise you it's garrote and rupture uptimes
Now let's look and see if I'm right
Oppulence it's 94% which isn't terrible. But needs to be better. You only used two vendettas on a 5+ minute fight
8 toxic blades over a 5:21 fight is a big nono
You had Ruby, so you likely wouldn't have parsed ultra high no matter what unless you had opal
I'm tired as hell. I'll look at the rest in the morning and dm u
full pagoda
@round harbor thanks, have a good night
regal pumice
aya you can look at wowanalyser, there you can get some SUGGESTIONS.
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/dDwHAYX1ZQP6mr8f/11-Heroic+Opulence+-+Kill+(5:21)/52-Ayaza
mortal meadow
what do you guys think of this setup for m+ : 2x EB, 2x Twist the Knife, 2x SS ... playing with toxic blade and posion bomb?
full pagoda
@regal pumice I really don't think it's a hood website except for patchwork fights
regal pumice
really? and why do you think it?
full pagoda
@mortal meadow it's not good tbh, ss always sims better with exsanguinate, also PB is pure ST, CT is a must for M+ now
regal pumice
its pretty easy you parse a top Player in to Analyzer and then you parse yours and then you can see were are the differenz
full pagoda
@regal pumice well I don't think it can sim correctly boss fights with intermission
Or rng either
mortal meadow
strangely exsanguinate sims worse than toxic blade on st, most likely because of the twist the knife traits
regal pumice
@queen girder thats right but this is a problem for all the Player, so if a Player makes 13/13 TBs and you do 8/13 then you know dam iam bad at this
compare it with other Player and you see whats wrong at your play
full pagoda
Hmm, yeah, the only way it'd be relevant is if the log of the kill is for the same time as our kill
@mortal meadow My bad, forgot twisted knife, still, CT > PB cos of reaping
grizzled jay
@mortal meadow thats very good setup for M+
mortal meadow
ty for the input, should spec into CT then
grizzled jay
Meh
full pagoda
I know PB is nature dmg, combined with twisted knife, it still would do less dmg than CT imo, even on tyrannical weeks CT is better now
grizzled jay
That's like... Not true with twist setup
mortal meadow
if i spec into CT the twist the knife specs would be useless right?
fluid mist
Hello good people. Can somebody take a look at my mythic grong parse and give me some pointers on what to improve? First time running MA since i finally got the right traits ๐ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/argent-dawn/mosh?mode=detailed&zone=21#boss=2263&difficulty=5
full pagoda
@regal pumice Do you compare only logs which are the same duration. Like, I think that's the only relevant way wit h wowanalyzer. If the killd are in a few seconds difference
grizzled jay
It's better to spam envenoms on big risen souls with a few ruptures up than keep CT up to uselessly pad on the little ones
Let the other classes deal with that
mortal meadow
yeah true but with ct i would barely get the time to spam Envenoms in trash groups
grizzled jay
So use PB.
vast forum
@full pagoda please don't spread misinformation
grizzled jay
It's very good
vast forum
A vast majority of top assa rogues use pb
Except a few dungeons
While ct might provide more overall dps, it's also more pad dmg
full pagoda
@vast forum Eh, I'll be honest. I'm sorry. Got the info from high scored rogue but never compared it with others maybe it's outdated now. Why is PB so much better?
vast forum
I'm on my phone so typing this might take a while, will try to be concise
A trash pull ends when the last mob in the pack dies. If there is a mob with more health than others in the pack, using an envenom on it for (for example) 40k dmg is more valuable than doing a ct for 25k per target, regardless of target count. Pb is also passive damage and any cp you would use on ct could be cast on an envenom or rupture instead
Basically, on the pack of 1 big rat and 5 small ones in fh, ct will provide more dps but envenom spam will kill the pack faster
And killing stuff faster is the whole point of m+
It's an extreme example but it applies to just about any pull in m+
grizzled jay
Exactly. People think too much of overall dps and pad when doing shit faster is what counts
vast forum
Aye
honest iris
if we have ss we let it fall off before we vanish and reapply right
vast forum
On st yea
full pagoda
@vast forum thank you
@grizzled jay Never been about pading in M+, I guess I'll just too bad to see the difference. I really thought CT would be better. Thanks both of you. @honest iris You meant garrote at 5.4? Vanish ->garrote? I think I was doing it wrong as well
honest iris
on multitarget u would refresh at 5.4
st u let it fall before refreshing with vanish
shy axle
got the 415 shoulders having NP/DD along with Mekkadril 400 breast (NP/DD) and First Boss 415 helmet. Raidbots says it is best to use double NP. I thought i read here never use two, but even bloodmallet says it is good. Is it a big loss to take 2 times NP?
shy axle
okay thanks man
harsh raven
Iยดm slowly getting geared up and getting better azerite itemisation. I have 2xDD, 1xSS, 1xNP at the moment. Tried replacing my SS-piece with an older DD-piece, but still sub simmed higher for me than MA. At what point does MA overtake Subterfuge?
lament dove
just my personal experience, but if my best pieces have SS, subt always sims better
MA only came into play when my highest azerites didn't have SS
but I have meticulous scheming and ruinous bolt on my best pieces, so how the f*ck should I know, rofl
meticusouls scheming is actually very good, because it never procs, so I guess I'll just set my shoulder to EB and I don't have to reroll between raiding and m+
full pagoda
@grizzled jay tagging you regarding the NP buff by haste you said. So, do you think 2xNP > 1xNP & 1TC? Any idea? I got all pieces 415 ilvl. Or it'd be just for a higher burst time. Got almost 1.5 haste.
shy axle
my thoughts, wondering too
quick ice
from my sims, TC wins at 100% uptime, but goes just behind at 90%, then clearly behind at 80% or lower uptime
depends what you think you're likely to get ๐คท
vast forum
Tbh i'd go with tc as it has aoe value
quick ice
may vary dependant on your personal stats
full pagoda
I have been using TC as I just absolutely love the raw stat but now I considered asking.
NP just looks like a burst helper. That's all.
quick ice
agreed 95+ is reasonable most of the time
full pagoda
And Vendetta has 2 mins cd which would be 3/4 vendettas per fight or so.
vast forum
On fights with downtime between vendettas (f.e. Mekka), np gains value
full pagoda
Yeah, tbh. Cant wait to get as many azurites as I used to have previous tier. Had specific to half encounters lol. It's gonna take a while though.
rigid mango
I'm just gonna stick to one aoe/m+ set and one for general raiding
vast forum
I just used 2xSS and archive last tier on every boss :D
rigid mango
Most pieces with ST traits normally have the other ones too, so I'll just be reforging if need be
full pagoda
Well it's what I'm doing as well but as the example Yoppa gave. It's not like yoi can't perform well even with minimal trait difference. Just if you want to be extremely precised. And yes, I won't reforge for specific boss, unless super necessary.
rigid mango
Aye, most of the raid pieces normally have TC/NP/DD, the good ones, and if you REALLY need to change smth, you can just reforge between those
Doesn't feel like there's a good boss for any others really
full pagoda
It's so addictive to stay in specific chat lol. I feel like I wanna read everyone's post. And yes you're right.
strange python
hey guys, have a question. for mythic+ i mainly should go for crit/mastery but are that the stats to go for tyrannical weeks too? or should i go more ST stats so haste/crit then?
honest iris
for the master assassin rotation, why is it not venetta > toxic blade > mutilate > vanish > envenom, but vendetta > vanish > toxic blade > mutilate
full pagoda
@strange python I'm going for haste/crit as it's mostly boss fights. Not sure if Its correct.
@honest iris I checked a couple of top parsing rogues with this rotation and it was like that garrote - muti - rupture - trinket+vendetta -muti -toxic - vanish - envenom - muti -envenom etc
worldly iron
why do people type "multi" ๐ฆ
shy axle
it`s about that juice
hot copper
Why is Nothing Personal suddenly our best trait - does it stack now?
honest iris
energy gain
vestal wren
blizz silently changed it to be hasted
once somone reported it it was changed in simc, what leads to it gaining a lot of value
so, its rly good
vast forum
Dd is still better past the 1st one
vestal wren
you can mix traits, np has the biggest value for #1 trait
what you use will in the end always come down to what your azerite offers
slim olive
HD is now showing 3xNP being better than 3xDD. Is this trustworthy?
vestal wren
it shows the combined value of 3 np is higher
this does not mean that one individual is better after the first one
vast forum
2xDD+1NP
vestal wren
why not, use a sim?
vast forum
You can see the individual values of each stack
But yea, simming yourself is always best
slim olive
Yeah I know
full pagoda
Can somebody explain it how does it stacks NP when is 2/3 traits? Does energy regeneration value changes
zinc igloo
Hello guys, first message in the discussion. I play Assassination/Outlaw rogue. Atm i'm focused on the first, and with a Sim it said I should stick around 18k with my actual ilvl and pieces. Yesterday I had a little debate with a guildie about how my Garrote dmg seems low. (He said that should be the major dmg resource) but of course i wanna talk about it with people that actually plays a rogue too. So, I know it's kinda of a general question but, which build goes "better" in terms of dmg? Toxic Blade or Hemorrage? I always played with TB and now i'm using traits like Double Dose.
Feel free to @ me so I don't lose your advices ๐
lost sentinel
both can be viable, try sims
vivid bone
shy axle
Garote is #1 if you use the SS trait
full pagoda
Envenom is #1 if you use DD/twisted knife.
vast forum
If you have multiple ss traits, garrote will be #1
zinc igloo
Ok, which makes sense. Is it worth it to keep 1 SS for the 3 Combo Points in opening and rest DD/Twist?
spice surge
Not really if you have better alternatives
IE dont pick "that one SS" over a DD or a NP trait
shy axle
but if it`s your best alternative take it, still viable
full pagoda
@zinc igloo What's the best traits you can get atm or currently can have?
slim olive
Hmm 3xDD and 3xNP is simming higher than typical 3xDD 1xNP 2xTC. Rough sim that I did on my phone https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pwZa1VUUZUwF4UrAymtnMh
interesting
zinc igloo
On shoulders I have the SS and Twist, which are the best options
Sec to log in and check
spice surge
@slim olive You forgot one tier 3 trait with your treacherous profile
spice surge
NP will probably still be higher, but not by that much
slim olive
If thats the case then. The TC "Set" has a chance to fall even more if you drop health regularly.
ok yeah its around 200dps difference.
shy axle
3DD/3NP and 3 DD/1NP/2TC seems to be quite interchangable depending on gear and situation, varieing by very little dps
zinc igloo
Ok so, my actual azerite gear is:
Opulence Crown: Twist and SS, chance to take Blood Scent
Warfront Shoulders: SS and Twist again, best options.
Grong's Chest: DD and Blood Scent, chance to take SS on first and Soul Bond on the second.
I build haste and crit when i have the chance, which is not going greatly during this progress.
Atm i play Master Assassin and TB
zinc igloo
maybe I could try to go x3 SS, Subterfuge and Exsanguinate?
Which changes up the rotation a lot too i guess
spice surge
Exsang is rarely worth it
But if you have any SS traits at all equiped, you must play subterfuge
slim olive
^
spice surge
SS is complete garbage if you're not using subterfuge
zinc igloo
ok that's a good point. A more "nooby" question: Should I always throw Rupture/Envenom at 5 points? Coz sometimes i force it down and seems like I found myself in lack of energy
quick ice
no, 4+
zinc igloo
so in opening with subterfuge is something like Garotte, Muti, Rupture, right?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
zinc igloo
I was watching the guide right now that's why I ask, isn't that going for a 3 Combo Rupture?
spice surge
Rupture doesnt do less damage if you have fewer cp
Only lasts shorter
So putting up a 3 cp one is better than wasting 1 cp from garrotes
zinc igloo
Damn, that changes all, tooltip isn't that clear in my language at this point.
and guess this all works for the stable rotation during the fight too
Which is the part that probably gives me more trouble in medium length
So instead of capping 5 points it's better to go for a 4 even with Envenom?
Another question before i forget: mortal navigation should always be on the main hand as enchant?
real bay
envenom only at 4 or 5
slim olive
It doesnt matter which weapon you have the enchant on, just dont stack it.
zinc igloo
so i can run quiclky navigation on main hand too, that's a lot of saved money lol
slim olive
You dont want to stack it, so depending on your stat weights you choose the top two. For example, if crit haste is simming highest, you put quick navigation on one and deadly on the other.
zinc igloo
one last question...at this point is it better stack a triple SS over the DD I have?
2 of 3 pieces have SS already
slim olive
It honestly depends on your gear and the ilvl of those pieces and obviously the situation, its best to sim which is best on this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear using the "Simulation craft" Addon
zinc igloo
ok, thank you a lot to all, gonna try to improve ๐
slim olive
With time you'll be the best rogue in the world, keep up the research and practice.
full pagoda
I had missed so much readings, even though I knew, had to read it /stalking mode avtivated 
golden relic
Hello assa boys
can some1 explain wtf i just did "wrong" in this gear compare
or why is the chest + head 15% lower
it cannot only be becuz of losing a NP + overwhelming power trait
quick ice
that's weird
spice surge
Yeah thats wierd
quick ice
ok, so the head is actually ilvl 15, not 415
vivid bone
the items have raidfinder tag on them, maybe it sims the wrong ilvl...? I donno otherwise
quick ice
you've dropped a 4
bleak spoke
huh
tht doesn't look incorrect
np + dd simming higher than eng + dd
both say 415
quick ice
it says 415 in the tooltip, but if you open the full report its only i15
vivid bone
might be because of the actual sim taking a different ilvl than the one showing
spice surge
But i mean it doesnt really matter, when you get the champion helm you have full bis azerite
No point comparing it to worse ones anyway :^)
bleak spoke
wait wtf lOL
bleak spoke
big meme
golden relic
but ye
quick ice
bleak spoke
mistakes were made xd
quick ice
yeah I don't think it lets it show an invalid tooltip for azerite or something
probably worth tossing a report to seri on the raidbots discord
vivid bone
hero spooce
quick ice
the things we do when we're sitting on the bench during raid ๐
bleak spoke
to be fair raid finder + 415 is pretty invalid
bleak spoke
yeh
nah it makes sense i'm just being a cunt
also that is really really nice gear holy moly
25.6 
golden relic
pass some opulence daggers this week aswell pls
bleak spoke
that's pretty cool
full pagoda
Can't see it from phone
Fml
Got some upgrades yesterday from 21.6 to 24k, can't imagine what you got for 25k+
full pagoda
I'm at 404 ilvl
golden relic
got a 2nd cypohide this week
was fishing for a reverant, is that the name, KR one atleast, for M+
spice surge
ceph is good for m+
bleak spoke
doesn't that one have EB TTK
quick ice
he's got a LOT of sockets @full pagoda
full pagoda
Got insane titanforge from M+ cache, 425 haste pants with gem, previous week got 425 cloak
Very lucky
bleak spoke
that's big big dam
bleak spoke
i love the poison funnel playstyle but all my pieces somehow have shrouded on the inner-outer ring so idk
so i just reforge the champions helm to SS TC and play 3 SS exsang now LOL
quick ice
I got gold-tasseled this week from my random, but have to run DD/tradewinds because I have bad shoulder for raid
bleak spoke
better than playing with two SOB omegalul
no way tradewinds is better than SS
just play subt and not ma
quick ice
I'm pretty sure I checked and it was still better
bleak spoke
even for the way the raid fights are shaped?
like
there's so much vanish into multidot
strange python
You seriously have that chest and those shoulders? Omg.....
strange python
I have 4 sockets and shit azerite. RNG is a bitch
spice surge
What bosses have much things to vanish multidot? Yeah grong, jadefire and maybe rasta
But mostly its just pure ST for melees
golden relic
man
quick ice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hb1yvzvxzYtRMyuH2owtCZ
straight up better simDPS for MA/tradewinds, and I usually play bench on grong
bleak spoke
But tbh one fight I 100% will play ma on is stormwall
golden relic
i acctually like MA after swapping to it week and a half ago
bleak spoke
I just cb fucking a with vanish timings on that fight in HC I think itโll suck worse in m
golden relic
what do u meanfucking with timings
bleak spoke
Like it gets so desynced
Or maybe itโs the speed we do boats thatโs fucked
Idk
Like I end the fight with the strangest cds
golden relic
u mean like that it never aligns with vendetta properly at 2 min or , im not following
bleak spoke
Yeh
quick ice
btw @@golden relic, I talked to some of the raidbots people
bleak spoke
With subt
quick ice
apparently its because of the way you built your gear compare
summary: don't put multiple of the same slot in the same comparison
it gets VERY confused
and apparently simc and raidbots tooltips handle it differently
golden relic
so
bleak spoke
Oh yeh it does the thing where it says โsame itemโ on the sim text and starts assigning weird numbers
golden relic
basically make a like 10 set gear compare
bleak spoke
To the gear
golden relic
yikes
quick ice
yeah
golden relic
well i doubt the outcome will be any different , but thanks, ill keep that in mind
spice surge
Or copy the gearstrings and do topgear
bleak spoke
that's Champions helm 4421 btw
quick ice
basically it doesn't compare them when its within the same gearset
bleak spoke
top gear is best gear
bleak spoke
i kinda wonder what you sim for with master poisoner dog
like i don't like going down this road but
pretty curious
golden relic
I can run one
bleak spoke
cuz mp is some boring ass shit
quick ice
EB
bleak spoke
EB
flat jackal
thanks
bleak spoke
damn when the MP starts catching up to EP
bleak spoke
LOL
spice surge
It wont unless we get something that makes poisons more relevant though
Or they stop scaling up the traits
bleak spoke
does DD benefit from MP
bleak spoke
thank god
quick ice
if we got a huge azerite trait that increased poison damage somehow
full pagoda
Maybe they'll add something more cool next tier, I hope it won't be just one more ring and period
bleak spoke
some healer in my raid was like to me if i run TC I'm basically asking for it xd
quick ice
they've said they're adding traits of some kind to the neck itself and that azerite gear won't require levels, in 8.2? IIRC
golden relic
ye
bleak spoke
i didn't play legion but everyone seems to love kingsbane
quick ice
please yes
fluid mist
Calling it now. Legion leggo effects on Neck incoming.
quick ice
I would be 100% ok with getting either execute bracers or vendetta CDR boots back
fluid mist
Probably bracers for sin. Would be Nice to have a big execute again
full pagoda
Kingsbane 
quick ice
felt more effective than TB does though
full pagoda
Well I just want something more, to change a bit our gameplay
fluid mist
Watch mages get that second lust bac k see how many fotm bois reroll
golden relic
big pog
bleak spoke
honestly i just want some time in any kill to feel as impactful as the opener
cuz right now especially playing subterfuge it's like
25 seconds into a pull you get this state of depression that nothing will be as good as it was
fluid mist
This^^
bleak spoke
bring back opulence restealth!!!
that felt so fkn nice
when u killed the golem and could drop combat :x
i think that's why i'm enjoying MA right now
it's like every vendetta is strong
in the way the first one was
full pagoda
Yeah, I've also always enjoyed more MA than subterfuge. I like big crits 
fluid mist
I feel like subt/ss is more impacftfull somehow
Even though The Numbers donโt reflect that as much
bleak spoke
in short fights subt ss exsang is definitely bigger dam
like if you go do a 10 key and gib a fortified boss in 1:10 or seomthing
you will shit on it with 3 ss galecallers exsang
fluid mist
That triple dd on my pieces is very Nice tho. Not gonna lie lol
bleak spoke
like a 56k peak on ST opener is fkn eyewatering
tepid orchid
currently running 3x DD / 2x NP / 1x SS
is it worth keeping the SS trait as a night elf for the shadowmeld -> SS empowered garrote? not really sim savvy or know how to go about this
vestal wren
the majority keeps 1 ss trait, ss is overall always a save bet
tepid orchid
thank u i love you very much
strange python
Do they do that since it is the best they have or do they just seriously want It? Going with Sub instead?
tepid orchid
also why are so many people running master assassin on stormwall blockade
vestal wren
also 1 ss feels better to play
bleak spoke
assuming by the time ppl reach stormwall they have the relevant MA pieces
and that usually sims better around the 410 range
fluid mist
It does Sim higher indeed but i very much agree with fuu
Ss feels so much more fun
wtb chest with dd and ss
rigid mango
The SS/sub opener feels so smooth compared to not having it, feels like a need for me at this point
quick ice
I actually really like the MA opener. Might just be me.
rigid mango
Also how big is the dps increase to be a nelf whilst running it?
full pagoda
Yeah, don't take it wrong, I also like ss playstyle as well. Lf ss and dd as well xD
@rigid mango it's said racial difference is 1% but I kinda don't believe it
rigid mango
1% whilst getting like a second vanish feels a bit low ye
fluid mist
Itโs not a second vanish
full pagoda
Atm I got triple dd, one TC, one NP snd one twisted blade
rigid mango
Well, close enough
quick ice
It's at best a mini-vanish
golden relic
Double dose is usually so high on dmg breakdown for me
rigid mango
An empowered garrote*
fluid mist
Triple dd 2 np 1 tc
rigid mango
Aye DD is so neat
Tbh I'd swap a tc for SS any day
Just because i love how ss feels to play
full pagoda
My guildie rogue has shoulders with dd and ss
rigid mango
Isn't there a dungeon one?
fluid mist
Hmm iโd prefer a chestpiece tho shoulders and helm are very good
But i guess iโm hitting that lottery again next week lol
rigid mango
Gold tasseled epaulets
They have both
Aye got the mythic head off of first boss yesterday
Feels absolutely amazing
My m+ set up is way better than my raid set up, piece wise
fluid mist
I love how The mythic mechanic on The first boss is actually a bloody interrupt lol. Theres like guilds that are 4/9 hc 1/9 mythic
golden relic
I mean when has the first boss in mythic ever been hard
rigid mango
I'm also severly overgeared for the stuff I'm doing, but I only casually raid
fluid mist
Well never hard. But a bit more challenging then this..
bleak spoke
uldir. the elevator caused more deaths than like any other mechanic Keepo
royal lantern
1st bosses on mythic are never REALLY hard anyway
golden relic
last i could think of is maybe trial of valor abit, harder atleast , and like siege of orgrimmar but back then it was heroic
fluid mist
Odin indeed
royal lantern
yeha, shitton of guilds had mythic taloc before they killed hc zul/mythrax/ghuun
bleak spoke
this time tho i think people had mythic champs before they had conclave lmao
royal lantern
i dont think that rules applys too the 2-3boss raids
fluid mist
Yeah but still. Those were The last 3 bosses
rigid mango
Yeah conc is way harder than mythic champs
quick ice
Nythendra was probably harder than xavius?
royal lantern
those are always raids in the middle of the tier where they expect people too be geared
xavius?
rigid mango
What's the mythic jadefire stuff?
royal lantern
you mean shadowpriest stacking?
rigid mango
Is that any harder?
royal lantern
rigid mango
Spriest fire mage meta pog
quick ice
@rigid mango everyone goes up
royal lantern
xavius in a nutshell
fluid mist
Jadefire is a fun fight imho
rigid mango
We already do on hc
quick ice
Every single time
rigid mango
Right?
golden relic
no
rigid mango
Oh wait
golden relic
on mythic every1 has to dance the dance with mr miyagi
quick ice
Just near the end once if you're slow on heroic
rigid mango
The entire fight?
quick ice
Yeah
quick ice
Also orbs in the maze
royal lantern
not much stuff changes tbh
quick ice
Not sure exactly what the deal is with those, but they're important?
royal lantern
keep a kidney for the tigers the orc chick summons is probably the 1 thing you should do
vestal wren
@royal lantern there was similar with warriors and execute
rigid mango
Aing that always a thing though?
Orbs, that is
Having to grab the things to cleave the wal
+l
royal lantern
2-3 orbs are enough
rigid mango
Aye I love seeing 3 empowered garrotes + ruptures ticking on the bunch
Feels very satisfyinf
rigid mango
Just save vanish for it
fluid mist
Saving vanish for The wall??
fluid mist
I would not do that tbh lol
rigid mango
I think it's normally up, i normally save it for first cat
fluid mist
I mean itโs not really a dps check xD
rigid mango
Nah, but that fight isn't a dps check for my guild
It's a brain check whether they can do the multi sided strike
real bay
I vanish right after the wall when they come back
maybe should wait for puzzle buff or not
rigid mango
Tbh, like so many keyboard turn
quick ice
Bgrgb is hard ๐
rigid mango
It's insand
We spent like 4+ hrs on the same 5 people inting the multi
Not the most fun I've had ngl
real bay
our dps warrior dies to the first one every pull
rigid mango
Yeah but we're a social guild :^)
full pagoda
fluid mist
Itโs so easy tho
rigid mango
Can't bench people that's not nice
fluid mist
The minigame
fluid mist
Like you need to turn your char
rigid mango
And I had to stick the charger in
fluid mist
Thatโs it
rigid mango
Yeah
fluid mist
Lol
mental obsidian
does melee give ruby stacks?
rigid mango
But peope keyboard tueb
mental obsidian
on opulence
rigid mango
Turn*
rigid mango
@mental obsidian make someone else take it so you can take the opal :^)
quartz rune
Yea feels so bad as assa rogue to take ruby
mental obsidian
im outlaw
real bay
maybe they use slow mouse sensitivity, can't turn fast enough
rigid mango
Opal 
mental obsidian
asking for our sin rogue
royal lantern
well, if your RL tells you too take it, you take it
mental obsidian
nope
rigid mango
Nah, they just fucking use their keyboafd
royal lantern
the guys with ruby need too stay alive, thats the most important part
quartz rune
Yea true i mean assa rogue dont have best add dps so it depends how good ur add dmg is
rigid mango
Opal feels so nice tho
mental obsidian
ruby on sin is useless
quartz rune
Yea of course doing more damage always feels nice
rigid mango
Afaik pets apply it too
golden relic
just give it to your monks or meme hunters
quartz rune
How many Topaz do u guys run on mythic Opu?
mental obsidian
well ye dont know between ret, ww monk or our sin rogue
got me outlaw and 2 other DH
no bm hunters
royal lantern
2 topaz 4 ruby rest is the mouthbreathers that take opal
mental obsidian
more topaz i think
golden relic
so give it to the DHs
quartz rune
2 topaz only yea? When do u pop them?
golden relic
or the WW
summer marten
im also asked to take ruby... the bad side effect of being reliable
quartz rune
We use 4
worldly iron
being reliable nets me orb duty on grong
rigid mango
^
quick ice
So glad I didn't wind up with that one.