assassination

[zinc zephyr]

correct me please 😃

[bleak spoke]

Scent doesn’t change how you play with ruptures

Once you’re energy positive enough to spam fok ct you should

[pale agate]

There aren’t really small pulls in m+ anymore in my experience

Tyrannical last week, teeming this week, reaping every week means massive aoe opportunities always

And most pug tanks have learned how to pull decent sizes by now

Bolstering/bursting will revert back to small pulls but even then reaping ensures at least a few big aoe opportunities per dungeon

[outer ruin]

Anyone though have thoughts about whether to go ST or AOE traits for KR this week? finding my normal 35k dungeon wide dmg being much lower on KR for obvious reasons. sitting at 22kish and feeling weak

[lost sentinel]

for me, 7 target patchwerk with 3eb is simming the exact same between poison bomb and crimson tempest

I kinda want to use PB anyway before doing this sim, so I guess I will

[true fulcrum]

what are the best sim settings for m+ overall? dungeon slice sims very closely to my single target stats. should i do something like 4 boss 2min fight?

[lost sentinel]

well dungeon slice counts the boss portion I think pretty long, so haste is overvalued - maybe?

I think people typically sim MT damage with 7 patchwerk at 40-60 seconds, but depends on how big yoru group pulls of course

your stats for MT should end up as the pin suggests, crit-master-vers-haste because haste being pretty low for MT damage

[true fulcrum]

yeah dungeon slice said haste was my top which is why im asking

[outer ruin]

dpesm

*doesn't PB assume the boss is standing in it the whole time?

[lost sentinel]

probably, but there will be pulls with less than 7, I'll try it out at least

[earnest pilot]

curious why mastery is so low on stat priority. does it have a low soft cap now or something

or is haste just better for ur bleeds

[spice surge]

It is not low on the stat priority

Basicly all stats that arent vers/agi are good

[hushed maple]

Gem for opulence?

!gem

!op

[spice surge]

https://imgur.com/QnhBi9R

[hushed maple]

xD

nvm I am ruby carrier again

love my life

[spice surge]

Somebody gotta do it

[worthy spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fluid mist]

Been farming kr for a plumage for over 10 times this week alone

Run 1 bloody key on dh get a 415 socketed one

Fml

[lost sentinel]

I tried KR 2 or 3 times, wasn't a fan

[timid plume]

Anyone come across where shrouded suffication was actually lower dmg after simming?

[lone junco]

wot

if you dont have subterfuge it will do much less.

[spice surge]

And even if you do it can sim lower than MA+another trait

Shrouded is not a mandatory trait for assa St, it hasn't been since it was nerfed in like October

[lone junco]

unless you can vanish g tab g g. then big eggplant

[timid plume]

ye it seemed lower even with subterfuge

double dose and nothing personal was better than ss and NP

which would make me have 0 ss traits

[lone junco]

sure. but by how much. mine are like 0.2% apart.

I am running 3dd 2tc 1 vendetta. with MA TB or 2dd 1ss 2tc 1 vendet with Subterfuge TB.

the MA Tb makes for some bonkers vanishes tho.

[timid plume]

let me sim it real quick again

[lone junco]

when you do, select Subterfuge and MA. and TB. exang . and have 3dd with 1 or 2 ss

[spice surge]

Its like 0.8% for me between MA and subterfuge, but i dont have any ss traits on the same ilvl

[lone junco]

I got a 400 dd chest from darkshore, so thats stuck for a while.

[spice surge]

3x DD is juicy though, DPE of mutilate is actually higher than TB when the envenom buff is up

[lone junco]

pretty sure i can make that happen.

is

is the 2dd 1ss

@spice surge you would think crit weight would increase to keep the env uptime. or 1 twist.

[spice surge]

You would think that, but simc doesnt seem to think so

[lone junco]

haste is too stronk

dont need crit when you can just mut mut

[spice surge]

Nah mastery overlord for me now

Need those DDs to hit harder

[strange python]

mastery didnt effect DD ?

[spice surge]

It does

[timid plume]

k seems like my SS is going away for st then even with subterfuge on its less dps only by 1% though

[outer rune]

if u dont manage ur rupture well and u are in the last gcd of toxic blade with 4-5 cps do u envenom or apply rupture if it just fall down ?

[spice surge]

Yes you rupture, letting rupture fall off is gonna lose you a lot more damage than missing that envenom

[outer rune]

thought so

[lone junco]

oh yeah. my other hat is ss and dd. that 3dd 1ss 1tc 1vendet. Im set.

[timid plume]

would ppl still run SS for dungeons over DD, TC and NP stack?

[spice surge]

Yes

[lone junco]

sure. g g g is the strongest open

[spice surge]

DD is fairly awful in dungeons

[timid plume]

ok just looking at hero dmg it seems at the top

[civic palm]

of what chart?

[timid plume]

herodamage?

[outer rune]

also with master assasin wouldnt garrote muti rupture vendetta tb muti vanish envenom muti envenom net u more burst?

[timid plume]

M+ one

Default

[outer rune]

over using vanish before toxic

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

The 2 are so close in damage

[civic palm]

Should reload HD sometimes the charts load with the wrong labeling.

[spice surge]

I assume he meant SS being at the top

Not dd

[outer rune]

tryna find something similar to sub T_T MA sin feels the closest out

[timid plume]

guess i gotta farm some m+ gear so I dont have to reforge all the time

[outer rune]

u cant get Azerite pieces from m+

🤔

[strange python]

10% mastery shifts 0.4% dmg on DD overall in sim

[lone junco]

ha

Spoiler. my dd damage sucks

[strange python]

x)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x9F5aaCzTnNHZDNEtooGrR i will run this setup next week on puging

[timid plume]

@outer rune right

[strange python]

or outlaw, i am not 100% sure, it sims closer to 22k .. (10dps left) x)

[tall basalt]

!gems

[dry wren]

Raidbots sim is showing that I should drop all SS traits for DD. That seems a little strange. Should I keep one over DD?

[timid plume]

Same for me for ST

its better

[strange python]

for ST ?

[dry wren]

for ST and cleave

BoD doesn't really have any patchwork fights

so I think it would make sense to have 1 SS for vanish garrote spamming on adds or cleave

[timid plume]

Most of them are st fights

tbh

[spice surge]

Wdym, most of them are full ST as melee

But yes, SS isnt mandatory for ST. Its primarily a cleave and/or burst trait

[strange python]

but DD is bursty too with MA

or spiky

[spice surge]

DD is consistent damage, even though it does more damage during cooldowns obv

Whereas SS is literally only useful after you vanish, so for 20s every 120 seconds

[strange python]

show the fucking sim ahead and tell me there is no spike

[spice surge]

? DD can proc outside of vendetta+vanish windows

[lone junco]

@spice surge im liking all of the tb options. dd/ss combo with subterfuge tb.

[spice surge]

SS does literally nothing outside of it

[lone junco]

3dd 1ss 1 vend 1 tc. subterfuge tb.

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/k7ops.jpg
here is my dds damage across our latest grong fight
and this is how SS damage log would look (roughly)
http://piclair.com/data/ngk39.jpg

[lone junco]

but this is sim boss for sure.

3dd 2tc 1vend.

[timid plume]

You pool as much as possible as assa right?

for EP

[civic palm]

nope

[timid plume]

or just go ham and ignore it

[civic palm]

Those are two extremes > _>

Pool enough to keep EP up during TB, 2+ ENV during TB.

[strange python]

i am only pooling for TB to geht some jucy DD procs

[timid plume]

k

[civic palm]

Work on keeping EP up during bursty phases, other than that you don't have the energy to carry it far.

[timid plume]

k

2+ env meaning 2 combo points env?

or 2 full env

[civic palm]

No 2 Envenoms

[timid plume]

k

[strange python]

full envs 😃

[civic palm]

4+

[timid plume]

ofc ye

[spice surge]

@lone junco Actual sim boss doesnt actually use any TC

[strange python]

hopefully i loot an dagger of 400ilvl+ to beat my outlaw dps

[spice surge]

Its actually head from raid (so np+dd+op), gorak tul shoulder (dd+blightborne+op) and pvp/cepha chest (dd+ttk+op)

Even though ttk and blightborne might sim lower than tc, the overwhelming power makes it better

[wicked sluice]

am I missing this in the pins? What's the proper opener for 3 DD no SS with MA

[dark crag]

Gr muti rup vend tb muti to 4+ vanish env muti to 4+ env

[civic palm]

Same one in the guide that is to be used with MA and no SS/SUB.

[wicked sluice]

thank you

[tawny trail]

So swapping from Outlaw to assassin, my stats seem off. Im looking to use outlaw for m+ and sin for raids. It seems I want a ton of haste for sin raid. What haste % should I be really striving for?

[wicked sluice]

I was personally at around 18-19% haste before my mastery started pulling higher stat weights

[strange python]

i am sitting on 25%crit 20% haste 40% mastery

[tawny trail]

like im sitting at ~28% crit ~13%haste ~33%Mast. which should I be trying to dump?

[strange python]

haste still best than mastery crit

if u scroll up there is an sim stat weight for my sin setup

[wicked sluice]

trinkets can really make your weights vary too

[tawny trail]

Yeah currently rocking a 400 + socket dead-eye and 400 invocation of yulon

[civic palm]

also having more mastery makes mastery better O _O

[karmic ingot]

I don’t understand the concept of people asking about “are my stat ratios OK?”. Just sim your top gear. Are your wearing the gear that sims the best out of everything you have? Then your stat ratios are fine.

Curious about what drops might be an upgrade for you? Sim your stat weights and see which stats you will benefit the most from right now.

[dull osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bobuQ7XwZVwRpeJ4WjYsFm

Which of my azerite pieces should I replace with the 400 random one?

I know they are kinda bad all around, juts which is the worst?

[wicked sluice]

in short rise, you probably would be ok losing some mastery for some haste

shoulder

[strange python]

the first boss provides an nice sin helm

so that slot is out

[spice surge]

I mean, your shoulders only have 1 trait on them

[wicked sluice]

^

[dull osprey]

They have meticulous and SS

or do you mean meticulous is not even worth mentioning?

[spice surge]

oh yeah mb

Nah its not that bad, idk then

If you feel like you clear heroic frequently enough to get the shoulders/helm from the first bosses reasonably soon then go chest

But for immediate power i think all of your pieces are roughly the same so it doesnt really matter

[dull osprey]

We clear normal up to GMOD each week

[twin kite]

Twist the knife trait, what does stack? dmg?

[spice surge]

Damage/healing/stats always stack

Never anything else

[twin kite]

Okay thx

[strange python]

ill take a smoke and went to bed, good fight, good night

whats the best race for rogue?

like generally for m+ and etc

[supple hearth]

zandalari master race

but if you want the less than 1% dps increase check the sims. herodamage keeps track of that stuff

[solid nova]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[fading wigeon]

Are two on use trinkets a no-no?

[civic palm]

When they conflict with each other yeah.

[fading wigeon]

Ah ok

First mate quest up in storm wake

[hushed maple]

Hey guys. I am struggling to use CT effectively

I garrote 4 guys (3x empowered 1x normal) and Rupture one.

Then I FoK till 5

and garrote another

and so on

and after that I use CT

Does that sound about right?

[tribal marlin]

not really you should use CT faster.

[peak smelt]

I garrote 3, ct, garrote, fok, rupture, exhan, and so on applying ruptures

[tribal marlin]

Classic opener is 3x Garrote, Rupture Exs Fok to 5, CT

then you refresh CT in pandemic range while rupturing multiple target, if enough target are rupture so you can spam FoK, juste use evenom to get envenom buff other wise spam C

[peak smelt]

Or that too but ct does more damage than rupture so you want it out faster

You can also vendetta after the ct on a priority target

[spice surge]

I wish the musclebrah copypasta was correct so i could post it in scenarios such as this

[peak smelt]

So if all cds up, g,g,g,ct,vendetta,fok,r,ex, so on

[dark crag]

40k dps booooom

[safe matrix]

alright yeah, even I can see whats wrong with that copypasta opener

[ruby idol]

Ggg ct then go about your day

[hushed maple]

I really hate Sins MT Gameplay

CT feels stupid

[safe matrix]

"Ggg ct then go about your day" -official MT opener for sin

mods pin pls

[ruby idol]

The 4th rupture that gets mentioned is silly

Err garrote

[spice surge]

Tbf the copypasta is from like early september

[ruby idol]

Non subt garrotes just exists for energy regen. And in aoe you usually have enough ruptures out that garrote becomes a wasted global outside of the first 3, or when using vanish

[safe matrix]

if it is from early september, wouldnt that mean SS was still bugged?

[spice surge]

Yes, it was also before the SS nerf

[safe matrix]

god that shit was actually disgusting

prenerfed DS/BitS/SS

[ruby idol]

20k overall in 370 gear xd

[hushed maple]

Sin is kinda dead in Season 2 M+ anyway ^^

There is too much Burst AoE required

Outlaw and sub have too much of just that ^^

[scarlet wing]

with 3eb sin has ultimate burst?

[ruby idol]

[honest mason]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[hushed maple]

eb?

whats eb

[scarlet wing]

Echoing blades

[civic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmm-homer-simpson-eyeroll-gif-13185781

[hushed maple]

well yeah

have fun ninja pulling

xD

[scarlet wing]

are u drunk?

[hushed maple]

the range is just insane on that trait

[safe matrix]

did you just put sub ahead of sin in m+

????????????

[hushed maple]

atleast it was a few months ago.

[odd hatch]

Months

[hushed maple]

Well its a fact, that the best runs are Outlaws or subs

[odd hatch]

...

Ever played rogue specs before?

[hushed maple]

And I didnt notice a fok range nerf to that trait

[sturdy python]

Sub is pretty much in the gutter outisde of 1 or 2 instances

In comparison

[hushed maple]

Reaping as sub is just insane

[spice surge]

???

[scarlet wing]

xD

[hushed maple]

Secret technique stronk

[sturdy python]

How

[safe matrix]

the top 20 runs are literally all sin/outlaw

[civic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/mbmbam-mcelroy-griffin-griffinmcelroy-adult-gif-9945036

[odd hatch]

Have you ever run 3 ebs before? Ever?

[sturdy python]

Screw EB, have you ran Outlaw

With wits

[odd hatch]

Sure outlaw is broken, but sin is still > sub

[hushed maple]

Outlaw is insane man ;D

140k no big deal

^^

[spice surge]

The reason sub struggles is because basicly all of their traits are awful for dungeons, night's vengeance isnt too bad but its still not amazing

[safe matrix]

0.3% btw

outlaw/sin are just much stronger than it currently

[civic palm]

LOOKSGOODTOME

[safe matrix]

it may have some niche uses at some point, but not currently

[hushed maple]

well for tyrannical it surely aint good

but fortified

yikes man

[sturdy python]

Sub does much less aoe and cleave than Outlaw/Sin

[spice surge]

You can just play sin and have like 80% of the prio damage sub has (with multiple ttks)

But still have aoe and ST

[sturdy python]

It has higher prio damage, thats all

And as he jsut said, minorly

[safe matrix]

it only has higher priority damage, which isnt even brokenly strong anymore after the nerf

its not worth bringing sub

its just subpar compared to the other two specs

[sturdy python]

• prio damage is only going to benefit one or two dungeons at the level sub has it most likely

[strange python]

anyone have or know of a weak aura to track venomous wounds? I dont use dot trackers but just want to beable too see how many applications of venomous wounds im using when add get hectic in M+. Just looking for like a 1-3 number

[safe matrix]

you just have to track the bleeds you have out

and what your energy regen is

[strange python]

any energy regen wa?

[civic palm]

Could probably just use something like https://wago.io/ry4CuOU5m

and tack on energy.

[hushed maple]

god damnit I just saw Muscles stream with the 22 UD

Never so many shit on a screen xD

[safe matrix]

I mean it's not something you need to track numerically

[civic palm]

No not at all.

Almost entirely pointless.

[safe matrix]

Are you running out of energy?

Yes/no

[civic palm]

Can you DoT more?

Yes/No

[spice surge]

Yeah, tracking too many things is generally bad since it draws your focus away from actually playing the game

[strange python]

no my problem is when reaping happens i want to know how many dots i have up so i can continue to spam crimson tempest but i hate tracking my dots with a wa

[safe matrix]

I mean you really only need like 2-3 ruptures in most cases

[strange python]

right but at that point i only put up 1-3cp rupters and continue to spam CT

that combat wa is fine tho

[tawny trail]

So has anyone really used Seductive power in raiding?

My APW is giving it a higher number rating than SS

[spice surge]

Seductive is not good no

Its sometimes hard to get the buff and even if you do its very underwhelming

[tawny trail]

Yeah I figured as much just didnt want to test it if someone else has

[sullen pagoda]

APW?

[civic palm]

azerith power weights, I assume.

[light kestrel]

anyone have a link to the damage spread for specs in BoD?

[strange python]

lads, what do human swap to for horde side in bod

[hushed maple]

Orcs I think

[hallow sage]

@strange python

[hushed maple]

https://de.wowhead.com/news=288178/battle-for-dazaralor-flashback-bosses-change-your-race-and-racials

[modest badge]

does the damage taken percent increae with the more Treacherous covenant u have

[worthy spire]

no

[scenic shale]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[modest badge]

hows it work in pvp ? its still plat 15% increase damage taken?

[scenic shale]

!help

[safe matrix]

what are you looking for guddah

[placid egret]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[dim pebble]

Guys, wanna ask u, does assa rogue get additional dps, while uptiming ur garrote from vanish on last seconds of vendetta(30% dmg buff works?), or it is more useful to use vanish after vendetta?

[safe matrix]

Vendetta is dynamic

So you'll only get the 30% while it's active, it does not snapshot

[hearty oriole]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[onyx sigil]

does shadowmeld give any DPS for mut in boss combat?

[sturdy python]

If you have SS yes

Meld>Garrote with SS gives you the SS bonuses

[warm geode]

is this correct? i mean, SoB+DD simming higher then SS+DD and NP+SS https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dTNrefW8nyChoGvZaSGeDz

chest piece

[prisma crescent]

SS doesn't get a lot of sim value

[sturdy python]

I dont see SoB on there at all

[warm geode]

current chest equiped

is SoB

[sturdy python]

Yes and the chest with SS+DD is simming higher by 1%

Thats not top gear, the template at the top is just the base youre comparing to

The gear you started with at /simc that is

[warm geode]

pls look closely , at least is what im seeing

[sturdy python]

Yes and the "Head bis" is simming higher

by 1.0% and 0.8%

[warm geode]

comparing just chest, SoB+DD simming higher

is what im saying

[sturdy python]

Ok that makes more sense

Likely because you didnt compare with Subt

[warm geode]

prob

[sturdy python]

SS and MA are horrible together

Use top gear and see

[warm geode]

cant buy head, already have shoulders, and decent chest, im lost on the azerite random buy

[sturdy python]

ah ok

[warm geode]

gonna try, sucks to be importing strings from wowhead T_T

[weak oak]

when is the ideal time to vanish on like a pure ST boss fight

like right after your vendetta runs out?

[warm geode]

depends on talents and traits

@sturdy python https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Q311r47opdMPFc2dX8tiw

[sturdy python]

woo much better

[warm geode]

gonna put some rings on the simc, prob 2 min to finish, almost the max number of possible iterations

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2DzT2pi9q4zfu1wezL3DWx if interested

im buying chest 😃 hope to not get the same one from this week

[chrome mural]

Do anyone happen to have a good WA for poison reminders?

[topaz crow]

https://wago.io/NkU73VWfm/4

[chrome mural]

Thats the one I'm using its really awesome and I love it but sometimes only half the aura loads so it doesnt work sometimes 😦

[topaz crow]

hmmm never had that problem i deleted the posion boxes and just use the text auras

[serene basin]

yea @chrome mural sec

[chrome mural]

😃

[serene basin]

https://wago.io/H1LYjA6iz

can never miss it

[chrome mural]

Thanks xD

[warm geode]

@chrome mural i use afenars pack !wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[quick ice]

Mizerok's pack has an obnoxious Oi! poisons! Warning .

[strange python]

how mamny ilvs is 1 socket worth?

[safe matrix]

depends on the piece

[strange python]

gloves

[safe matrix]

but typically 15 ilvls is the general rate

but you can sim yourself with gems at raidbots.com

[strange python]

380 honorbound gloves no socket VS 370 honorbound gloves with socket

[safe matrix]

thats something that you can sim

but probably the socket, by a slim margin

depends on your stat weights

and how critical agi is compared to the rest

[rose perch]

yeah on pieces like rings sockets can be worth like 30 ilvl, on pieces like legs that have a huge amount of stats budgeted it can be closer to 5 - also as we gain ilvls, sockets become worth less and less as each ilvl is worth increasingly more stats

on specific pieces, sockets are worth more the worse the stats are for you and less the better they are for you as well

[strange python]

ty for info, im running a raidbots topgear sim 😃

[tribal shuttle]

Hey if some can help me out, which gem is best for opulence for max dps as assa rogue?

[jovial vault]

opal

[tribal shuttle]

ty

[warm geode]

on prog at opulence, getting ruby and still toping dps compare to others 2 rogues , give me opal!!! T_T

[edgy pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/544057225472376867/unknown.png

Saw this here earlier

Whats the name of the addon?

[warm geode]

does that to

[edgy pawn]

Awesome, thank you

[quick ice]

10/10 best addon

[swift roost]

Should I track my weapon poisons on enemy nameplates, or only garrote and rupture?

[atomic hamlet]

is it recommended to have at least 1 Np trait ?

[quick ice]

probablypoisons as well @swift roost

otherwise you might have the dot up, but not the poison, so you won't get energy

[swift roost]

Aah ok

[lusty field]

I have a simming question that's bugging me! Sorry if this has been discussed before but i cant really find anything covering it, so i thought i would ask here.
I am trying to simm for m+ for sin rogue. I have tried different options using hectic add cleave with 4-5 bosses and with 20-40 seconds duration. The idea is to get an idea of what
my best stat weights would be for trash which is pretty much most of a mythic plus. I'm getting some very strange results, with haste or OH weapon reading minus values. Crit is also
reading as 3 times higher than mastery or versatility. I'm not sure if this is because of the echoing blades azerite trait or something is just going very screwy in my simm.
Im wondering if there is a more accurate or 'correct' way to simm for a mythic plus environment.
Cheers, Mark.

[vestal wren]

dungeon slice is best out of the box for m+.
If you want to "only" sim the packs you can look into writing a custom fight style, help can be found in the apl wiki linked in the pins in #tc-research

[sonic spindle]

Is there a good assassination m+ streamer hiding anywhere by chance?

[raven mica]

Does dratnos stream?

[sleek cargo]

does this have a stack limit?

for the opulence fight

[quick ice]

I don't think so. But you lose them very quickly for moving.

And they stack slowly.

[spice surge]

30

is the max stack

[winter gale]

What trait setup is considered to be good?

[quick ice]

I don't think I ever stood still for long enough to hit 30 the time I tried

@winter gale depends what for

[winter gale]

I am wearing 3xSS, 2xSoB and 1xNP 1xEB. @quick ice I forgot to type for m+ :D

And I play Exsang/CT in m+

397ilvl. On patchwerk 5 bosses, 40sec and no buffs i sim for 52k

With food and flask

[quick ice]

More EB would be nice
NP isn't strong in m+ because of all the trash

[winter gale]

Y, I am aware of it, I just wanted to know what to aim for. Thank you. Also, haste is still not good for m+ as in season 1? In S1 I played with same haste percentage but now I cant do anything until 4mobs are dotted.

Or minimum 3. No crit on fok, huuuuge time waiting for energy regen.

Maybe one more EB will push those foks better.

Before I was 3/4 garrotes than CT and then I was putting ruptures but not I must put atleast 2 ruptures.

[quick ice]

I'm not much of an m+expert I'm afraid.

[winter gale]

I think I just need to optimize my current gear a bit more. Im doing like 24-26k overall. Some ppl are doing over 30 so I assume I am doing something wrong 😂

[quick ice]

Depends on pulls too

[strange python]

Depends on pulls, depends on how long the pulls stay alive etc etc etc. Alot of factors matters when coming to DPS.

[winter gale]

Ppl in my runs*

[strange python]

other rogues in your runs?

[winter gale]

No no. What I meant to say is that in season prior to this one I was close to other ppls dmg and now difference is much bigger.

Like 10ish k dps. Its not big of a deal. Ill wait for echoing blades trait.

[atomic creek]

Any Sin Rogues who frequently run higher level keys?

[merry elbow]

Its because sin has pretty bad aoe burst compared to other dps classes. So considering we have reaping this season you shouldnt top overall

[steep obsidian]

what do you mean by higher level?

[atomic creek]

+15 or more

I'm wondering what talents you use right now, for the reaping

[strange python]

FOK FOK FOK FOK

[spice surge]

Depends on what you want to do. Sin is typically not brought for massive aoe (even though you can have great sustained aoe) but rather for priority damage

So a mix of echoing,shrouded and twist is what you should be aiming for, perhaps scent if you are doing the aoe

[merry elbow]

He asked for talents tho, didnt he

When it comes to traits 3xSS, 2xEB and that agility raid trait seems really nice

Dont see a point taking ST traits for m+ unless its like really high tyrannical and even then its debatable

[cold patio]

with EB minimum targets goes down form 3 to 2 or?

[spice surge]

yes

Well yeah, you dont want dd in m+

But twist isnt a ST trait, its for priority damage

[merry elbow]

It is more ST than aoe tho. I prefer to have 1 more eb than twist but thats just me

[warm canopy]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[glacial shuttle]

!help

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

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[glacial shuttle]

Okay good, now I know what EB means lol. Is it worth it to collect Treaxherous Covenant for us? Or are there better traits?

[vestal wren]

TC is a good trait, but sin and outlaw have good other ones too

[glacial shuttle]

Trying to figure out if TC is worth not taking something else for Sin.

[vestal wren]

its worth taking but there are alternative if you want to avoid it

[strange python]

TC have some getting used to play with

[fading wigeon]

Sims will always show TC as better. But it can be a pain in progression

[rancid bobcat]

just dont get hit

[hushed maple]

Just put TC uptime to 80%

[glacial shuttle]

Idk, I am usually fine with TC on my Sham, but rogue can be a little squishier.

[vestal wren]

not sure about both statements.
#1 why does it need time to get used to?
#2 outside of maybe jaina what fight do you mean that is bad for it?

[hushed maple]

Grong

[glacial shuttle]

You mught as well be dead on Grong if your hp is less than 20% tbh

With the raid wide damage going out...

[hushed maple]

Well TC geta useless, as soon as you have 49.99%

[bleak spoke]

you're always the highest hp player on grong anywy tho

cuz feint

[hushed maple]

Feint doesnt work on his aoE

Atleast for me

[bleak spoke]

you sure

cuz it works for me?

[vestal wren]

you will rarely fall below 20

should not on grong

[glacial shuttle]

I didn't notice much difference.

[hushed maple]

You dont fall below 20

But 50

[vestal wren]

and you can use simc options to have diffrent uptimes if you think uptime gets hit so hard

[glacial shuttle]

What alternatives are there to TC for Sib, then?

[hushed maple]

So your mainstat bonus isnt there for that time

[bleak spoke]

you get topped up right quick tho in raid tho

[vestal wren]

just dont expect TC to sim good if you assum it has 20% uptime

[hushed maple]

80% uptime seems about right

[vestal wren]

this is a random grong log

[spice surge]

seems about right for what? I had 94% uptime on our grong kill

[hushed maple]

So 60%

[vestal wren]

it has ~5 times where you fall below 50

[bleak spoke]

this person seems to step into many things

[vestal wren]

0 times below 20

[bleak spoke]

because i don't think we take partywide that often

[vestal wren]

its usually ~3-4 secs

[strange python]

@vestal wren the getting used to part i was refering to, is that you cant play as careless as one normally does since you gotta stay healthy for it to be useful 😃

[bleak spoke]

on the other hand eleem is actually good at the game so over 90 might be beyond me

[vestal wren]

so 15-20 secs in a 5 minute fight

[steep obsidian]

89% uptime in mythic grong for treach from a rogue who didn't use feint or cloak

[vestal wren]

so ~6% downtime (in the log i just opened)

[bleak spoke]

the melee slam basically tickles you unless you sit in it right

[steep obsidian]

so id guess it has a much higher uptime on other fights

[hushed maple]

Damn balls deep, not to use Cloak

[steep obsidian]

oh actually he feinted a few times

lol its late and i cant read

no cloak though

[hushed maple]

16:21 for me

[steep obsidian]

removing that dot is pretty big

[vestal wren]

i mean, just put uptime to 90% raidbots has a option for that

and see if TC is relevant

[glacial shuttle]

Sorry, I'll reiterate. For single target, what azerite traits are good to use outside of TC?

[vestal wren]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
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Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[hushed maple]

There isnt that much to choose

[vestal wren]

dd, ss, np

[hushed maple]

Its 1x ss and 1x np

[steep obsidian]

^ they all ok

[hushed maple]

Oh well dd probably is better

[vestal wren]

ttk is decent too, but it comes down to what your azerite offers

best is to use a sim

[spice surge]

Its also worth noting that there are 3 rings on each piece, which means that an overwhelming power+twist+dd will outpreform a dd+tc+gutripper
Even though tc is better than twist

So simming is basicly always the best thing to do, as fuu said

[hushed maple]

To be fair. If you play m+ and raids frequently and cant have 2 sets of azerite yet: take CT

[bleak spoke]

tht's not even true anymore

[hushed maple]

Usefull in any mode

[bleak spoke]

any i bitch about it every day

and*

[hushed maple]

Is twist even usefull?

[bleak spoke]

yes

[glacial shuttle]

Twist?

[hushed maple]

Always thought its a pvp trait

[vestal wren]

scent is also good if you have more targets

its situational

[bleak spoke]

scent's probably better than it was in some ways cuz it's so anti-synergy with ct

[hushed maple]

I have a 415 azerite chest with twist and np on first ring I think

[vestal wren]

is ct even good ? 😛

[bleak spoke]

not anymore doens't look liek

[hushed maple]

Its pretty meh as sin but boy. It has wits and ace + the blue dmg trait in third.

Thats the shit for Outlaw

[vestal wren]

outlaw does seem quite good tbh

iirc alpha rogues played it

[bleak spoke]

yeah it is for sure

[hushed maple]

Outlaw is nice

I damn love the theme and Abilities

[bleak spoke]

the ct exsang build seems donezo in dungeons tbh

[hushed maple]

But I hate rtb. I am a damn unlucky Person ^^

[steep obsidian]

you dont even need to get good rolls to do really well on reaping and trash as ol

[bleak spoke]

everything you can do with ct exsang you can do as outlaw in like 370 azerite

[hushed maple]

Exhang is so bad tbh

[solid nova]

??

[hushed maple]

I never simmed better on exh neither st nor mt

[bleak spoke]

yeh basically give me anything that isn't skull and crossbones and i'll gun like all but 2-3 classes on reap

[solid nova]

How is exang bad

[bleak spoke]

it's not bad

it's just not as strong anymore

cuz there's not really that many energy regen problems

[vestal wren]

Tb is compatitive, its not one single choice anymore

i like diversity

[golden relic]

wat

[hushed maple]

I dont get, why youd want to use exhang

[spice surge]

It does more burst

[steep obsidian]

in dungeons being tied to 1 target for the window is annoying

[hushed maple]

Tn and envenom spam is better prio dmg

Tb*

[bleak spoke]

it's not really

[glacial shuttle]

I can view rogue/sin traits on gear on wowhead somewhere, right?

[hushed maple]

But I only have 36% mastery, tho

[spice surge]

well, if you have enough target to garantee a 5cp envenom after every fok

[hushed maple]

Maybe it gets better with more

[spice surge]

Then yes, tb does more prio damage

[bleak spoke]

and also if you don't use galecallers

[hushed maple]

Which I dint

dont

[bleak spoke]

like on an m+ pack that isn't enormous if you sink exsang into first rupture target you never starved no matter how unluck

but pulls r big now

funnily enough that's why i play exsang in king's now >_>

[hushed maple]

But either way. Whatever you play: Outlaw has the most insane AoE burst. Sin only shines of Tyrannical

[glacial shuttle]

<.<

[bleak spoke]

it's honestly mostly padding

[hushed maple]

What do you mean by that?

[fading wigeon]

@glacial shuttle !azerite

[bleak spoke]

things usually die at certain times no matter what

reaping's best example of that

[glacial shuttle]

I used that before. I want to see what pieces I beed to collect that shows what traits they have. I'm bot ingame right now and can't check.

[fading wigeon]

@glacial shuttle type !azerite

[hushed maple]

Cause sins AoE isnt even close to Outlaws. That makes fortified outlaw favored.

[bleak spoke]

it's close

[glacial shuttle]

Thanks, Tisumi.

[bleak spoke]

it doesn't peak as high but after a bit it's close or sometimes better

sure i love seeing 230k on the meter

but like

was gonna say but 180 is okay too

haha

[hushed maple]

Yeah good luck trying to get those numbers on Sin

[bleak spoke]

i mean

big dam

[hushed maple]

Is the fok range still stupidly big?

I never dared to touch it again

[spice surge]

Unless the fights are specifically ending right after your vendetta, outlaw is probably even better on tyrannical than sin

fok range? only the pvp talent increases the range

Not any trait

[bleak spoke]

outlaw ST is misrepresented i think

[hushed maple]

Well at the start of Uldir myth the range was like 30yards

[bleak spoke]

cuz you can fish

and you probably should

[hushed maple]

Outlaw is weird on st

I do like 10k the first minute

[spice surge]

And well, outlaw doesnt lose 3x of their traits on ST like assa does with 3x eb

[golden relic]

10k, yikes

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[hushed maple]

And as soon as I get a good roll

20

[golden relic]

doing smth wrongif u doin 10k then 20k with good roll

just sayin

[hushed maple]

For some reason Outlaws DPS comeback is sick

[hollow stone]

Im way late to this but on high keys you run out of blade flurries and need to plan them. Thats when sin aoe will be better

[solid nova]

^

[hushed maple]

Thats true

[bleak spoke]

yeah i was already feeling it in a 15, so not even high keys

[solid nova]

@hushed maple what level keys do you do

[bleak spoke]

i would have much prefered to play sin that one

[hushed maple]

I am a hardcore pleb. My highest was 13

This

Last was 14

Or 13?

Dont remember

But surely not above 14

[solid nova]

Right so it's not the case sins bad, your keys aren't high enough to find benefit in playing sin > otl

[bleak spoke]

Honestly I think one of the most randomly undervalued part of playing sin over outlaw is not dragging aggro when tricks is done and having to run away or get one shot

[hushed maple]

Well the best keys are Outlaw...

This week...

[bleak spoke]

That’s cuz of explo

[golden relic]

Ye exactly

[bleak spoke]

Not cuz of

[golden relic]

explosives only

no other reason

[hushed maple]

Does bf hit them?

[golden relic]

no, but u can auto swing them and they die

[bleak spoke]

You can flurry off them

[golden relic]

and u dont lose anything if u flurry off them

[hushed maple]

Well

[polar cape]

Naah let the DH do them <.<

[hushed maple]

I struggle so hard clicking them

I am a TAB guy....

[bleak spoke]

Honestly explo isn’t even bad with sin

[vestal wren]

oh, i thought it was balance druid who solo them

[bleak spoke]

Cuz you can snipe them with rupture

[hushed maple]

I am to stupid to click them properly

[bleak spoke]

It actually improves your boss dmg so much

[hushed maple]

You mean full cp rupture?

[bleak spoke]

No

Like a 2 or 3 cp rupture will refund 100 energy basically

And if you have high crit then your next mutilate on the boss might give you too many cp anyway

But you definitely have to pool less

[hushed maple]

I have 17% or something lmao

I have like 8% vers rofl

[bleak spoke]

Verse isn’t even bad in dungeons

Only thing that affects eb

[hushed maple]

Well yeah but I am actually not interested in vers

Apparently WoW has other plans for me

Probably should've played Dh

[bleak spoke]

just grind and you'll get nice shit 🤷

[hushed maple]

I never saw a gb since s1

Only 340

[solid nova]

Depends how often you farmed it

[hushed maple]

Well I do 2-3 daily

But I stop that after a weak

I just cant stand this dungeon

Every damn week I bonusroll that

[bleak spoke]

not so sure that's the move

[fiery cradle]

410 galecallers from first chest this season ecksdee

[hushed maple]

I got a ring

With mastery vers....

Week two was a 410 dagger, tho

[glacial shuttle]

Wht's the name of the NPC you spend your residuum at?

[hushed maple]

Uff goos question

[outer ruin]

So the ravenholdt guide has nothing on pooling. When should I pool? Is it always?

[hushed maple]

Good*

Damn another good one ^^

I pool, so I can do double MT and Envenom

[outer ruin]

I generally try to pool before I'm about to Toxic Blade. But that's really it

[hushed maple]

Well yeah for tb

Not everytime

That would be boring as hell

[strange python]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

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[dusk fog]

tryed to look for this topic but didnt realy find anything excact. Do you prefer to open with A. Garrote, rupture, Garrote, Vendetta, Toxic blade, env (trinket)... or B. Garrote, Rupture, Vendetta, garrote, muti, rupture, Toxic blade(trinket), muti... Ive always used the B opener. Seen people mostly talking about opener A, not realy sure witch one i should go, what do you guys think?

[hushed maple]

I do A, because my second garrote doesnt work sometimes

Sometimes I have 1sec supterfuge left when doing the second

And A is probably better anyway, since you do vendetta later to get more envenoms

[tepid ridge]

if you can do B with seconde garotte empowered do B else do A

I don't run SS trait so I don't get personnal feedback on this

[dusk fog]

to maximise dmg i feel like A its best opener also

i mean B, sorry

A is more safe

[tepid ridge]

dunno wich trinket you use

[hushed maple]

B is probably 2-3 seconds wasted to dot

[tepid ridge]

but most of the time trinket goes out with vendetta

at least the KR one

for vendetta dot trait

[dusk fog]

im using Galecaller, popping it when im energy oomed

normaly after 2 envenoms

if i have garrote rolling in 3 targets after opener i feel like galecaller is a bit waste

[tepid ridge]

it buffs your 3 empowered garottes so definitly not

[hushed maple]

Isnt GB used like this: garrote, rupture, garrote, vendetta, gb, exhang(when it sims higher)

[tepid ridge]

yeah

[hushed maple]

Oh well another rupture, too

[tepid ridge]

would rather say GB then vendetta

[dusk fog]

yeah thats my opener

[tepid ridge]

openners are on the website anyway so

check warcraftlogs if you think there is something new but I'm not aware of anything new here

[dusk fog]

yeah i checked website

[hollow matrix]

haste just makes u do dmgs 😄

[hushed maple]

Obv. Since blood dots tick with Haste since bfa ^^

Thats why haste is so stupidly strong

[royal lantern]

and more autoattacks, melee hits do a big % of our dmg in bfa for most melee

[edgy pawn]

i always wondered about that: since the dots have a certain amount of damage they do, and a certain amount of time they tick - how exactly does haste increase the damage for which dots tick?

[spice surge]

They do not have a certain amount of time they tick

They tick at a certain interval

And haste reduces that interval

[edgy pawn]

my garotte says: 17466 damage over 18 secs

[spice surge]

So instead of rupture ticking every 2 seconds, it ticks every 1.67s with 20% haste

[hushed maple]

I think haste is calculated into dmg

Not sure, tho

[scarlet basin]

boys where can i check peoples Sims so i can compare myself

[hushed maple]

Get theire link

Or sim theire armory

[scarlet basin]

oh didnt know i could sim the armory thnx

[edgy pawn]

so that means, if for example garotte does 20k damage over 20 seconds it ticks for 1k damage every second. and if i get 50 percent haste on top of that, it ticks 50 percent more often?

[chilly tartan]

that would mean you are either reducing the amt of time its active or you are increasing its total damage

this shit is weird

[sturdy python]

The time is fixed, haste just increases the damage ticks inside that time

[fluid mist]

Anybody else coining that first boss helm for The bloody life of it

And getting nothing but ap

[sturdy python]

Coined it on mythic yesterday

[edgy pawn]

so the damage the tooltip says it does is calculated without any haste?

[sturdy python]

No clue about tooltips

[spice surge]

Idk what the tooltip say, they've been pretty scuffed for a while now

[hushed maple]

The Formula is x/(1+haste

[fluid mist]

I just won’t get loot on that boss lol

Both hc and mythic

[hushed maple]

So garrote with 15% haste is 2/(1+0.15

[chilly tartan]

@sturdy python lets say we have a situation where your garrote does 10k over 20 seconds and has 2 sec per tick. you get some haste and it reduces the tick interval to 1 sec. if the time is fixed, then you are essentially doubling the damage of that garrote because its ticking twice as fast for 20 sec

is this true as well?

[edgy pawn]

so the damage per tick is fixed, i just increase the amount of ticks ?

[hushed maple]

So garrote ticks every 1.739 seconds

Yes the ticks appear faster

[edgy pawn]

aaah

awesome

thank you!

thats very badly explained ingame btw lol

[sturdy python]

That's the idea I believe dominic

Probably not able to reach that extreme though ofc

[chilly tartan]

yea I feel

just used integers bc they are cleaner than decimals

[sturdy python]

And if I'm not remembering wrong, to prevent weird breakpoints for haste they add partial ticks at the end

[spice surge]

^

[fading wigeon]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[spice surge]

So if your garrote ticks every 1.5s, then when it has ticked for 19.5s (out of the 20 possible) it has 0.5 seconds left. It will then do a partial tick, which in this case would be exactly 1/3 of the normal damage (0.5/1.5)

Or well, garrote isnt 20 seconds without pandemic, but the point still stands

[sly raptor]

Hey guys, herodamage say that SS is top for ST when paired with Exsing, but my sims telling me das Exsing sims .4% lower than TB with 2x SS oO

[bleak spoke]

Also it appears that the dmg shown is the damage of the ability before armor is applied per tick or something

On the tooltip I mean

[novel moss]

Hey has anyone got the raidbots 3 digit code for DD trait please

Example SS = 407

[hushed maple]

Garrotes calc is weapon dmg*(1+versa%) I think

[edgy pawn]

136 is dd i think

yes, just double checked, it is

[novel moss]

Thanks alot mate

[fading wigeon]

Outside of opener, do you vendetta after 2x empowered garrote or before? I am talking single target.

[hushed maple]

I personally hold vendetta until Vanish is ready

Then I vanish, pot, garrote, garrote, ven

Rupture

And do normal stuff

[novel moss]

Always hold vendetta for the vanish line up unless for some reason the boss is guna die before vanish is up

[hushed maple]

Damn imagine vanish resetting the pot

4 pots Pog

[spice surge]

Sounds expensive

[hushed maple]

But gud

I can hear the forums

"reeeeeeeeee" "blizz obv mains Rogues"

[royal lantern]

people always say that when rogue is good anyway lol

[hushed maple]

Imagine all 3 specs at the top

[royal lantern]

cant happen

[edgy pawn]

one spec is always very good

[royal lantern]

we are not warlock

[edgy pawn]

thats the awesome thing about rogues

[hushed maple]

Well for now all speccs are middle/lower middle

According to simcraft

[lone junco]

if the world was a flat footed patchwerk with zero incoming damage or movement.

[vagrant plinth]

well actual raid performance matters far more than simcraft and assassin is doing quite well currently

[hushed maple]

Well yeah raidwise rogues are always nice thats true

[spice surge]

^

[hushed maple]

But Overall dmg is Warlocks territory

And everytime I raid, warlocks are up there ^^^

Me, too but these boostards are trying to get my #1 ^^

I still suck, tho.

But I guess the best classes to never be useless as, are mages, hunters and Rogues

[fading wigeon]

Locks are op

[hushed maple]

Well they have no movement, really

[fading wigeon]

They don't, but still lol so op

[dark crag]

Is that overall dmg? Filter for boss dmg

Bod is a huge pad fest, nearly all fights later on have some kind of adds

[hushed maple]

Yup. Funny enough, I cant think of a boss without adda

Adds

[rancid bobcat]

Mekka?

[hushed maple]

Well he has robots

Which you can cleave on

[spice surge]

That take 99% reduced damage

[rancid bobcat]

Bot damage gets discarded in logs I thought

[robust axle]

Now try to Think of a boss without priority adds other than 1st 😃

[spice surge]

That too

[rancid bobcat]

Though do they generate resources?

[hushed maple]

Yes they di

[rancid bobcat]

Ah

[hushed maple]

They are a normal target

[spice surge]

Basicly only warlocks can do stuff to them on mythic though

[rancid bobcat]

I never tried rupturing them

[robust axle]

Pad fest or not, adds needs to die. Boss dmg does not really say much.

[spice surge]

The do like 50k damage each "hit" you do on them

[hushed maple]

Ez garrote ans rupture them

[spice surge]

Not worth taking 100k for

[hushed maple]

Nah for logs it is xD

[spice surge]

damage to robots are ignored anyway

And its reduced by 99%

so not really

[hushed maple]

Still gives vw

Which gives energy

Which is Boss dmg

[robust axle]

Still not worth the globals

[solid nova]

At the cost of taking 100k damage and using a finisher on a mob that takes 99 percent less damage

[spice surge]

well you also have to spend a lot of energy and combo points to apply them

[solid nova]

You'd get more using it on the boss

[spice surge]

And essentially cloak too so you arent stunned

And they arent next to the boss so you have to run and lose out on melee swings

[hushed maple]

Do you get the 100k when cloaking, tho?

[spice surge]

No, but you dont have cloak for anything useful if you use it for exceptionally minor dps gains

[solid nova]

It's still not worth

[robust axle]

Its a damage loss regardless

[hushed maple]

Well whatever so theres 1 Boss, where you cant pad on

[robust axle]

What other boss, other than 1st, Can you pad on?

Where adds doesnt have priority over boss that is

[hushed maple]

Well then none

[robust axle]

So the pad you speak off is doing actual mechanics? I see

[spice surge]

Oh yeah, that too tis

Which makes it literally pointless 😄

[hushed maple]

But is padding about priority adds? Or just padding extra dmg by going boss and cleave torwards adds?

[spice surge]

Forgot seli said that

[hushed maple]

Nais

[robust axle]

Padding is doing damage to targets you aren’t supposed to hit to gain bigger numbers

Which is literally only the case on 1st boss

[hushed maple]

You kinda get punished on first boss

Slapping adds does dmg, right?

I never padded so dunno

Oh okay

Why doesnt wlogs filter out that add dmg @unappropiated times?

Damn I just massacred that word

I am sorry. English obv. isnt my mother tongue ^^

[fleet whale]

the simcraft ranking list really doesn't have a strong implication for how strong a spec will be in a raid. For example, assassination didn't really sim that high through most of Antorus but was still among one of the better specs in the game, and even performed really well on the Garothi worldbreaker

which is mostly a ST fight

[buoyant coyote]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v4vDZVvqbK1LYkCAAXZaKX stooopid galecaller

woudlnt the claw and dice be easier to play with and more consistent

[royal lantern]

im sitting at 22k dps, some people in my guild are allready at 24-25k lol

(same ilvl)

[strange python]

on raidbots do you guys sim with Hectic Add Cleave for M+? And if so how long?

like do you do HAC for 1 minute 1 boss to simulate trash?

[lost horizon]

Dungeon slice

If you're simming for specific trash packs you can just adjust # of bosses and set the fight length to something appropriate

[peak rune]

Hey guys what ist better in m+ right now Crimson Tempest or Hidden Blades?

[strange python]

100% perf on jadefire

monkaS

[spare dust]

can i vanish the coin shower at opulence mythic?

[strange python]

nope

cloak doesnt work either

[tardy ether]

neither does evasion and cheat death is also not enough :D

[strange python]

why would evasion work tho.. xd

[tardy ether]

because coin shower is physical damage?

[strange python]

but evansion, dodge to be specific

works only for autoattacks

[tardy ether]

it works on last boss in tol dagor

which is not an autoattack

[strange python]

jsut saying

[tardy ether]

same, no reason to straight up assume evasion wouldn't work

[strange python]

by the simple logic it shouldnt

but its small indie company coding

so who knows

[delicate sapphire]

How do you deal with the maze for those fights?

i lost so much dps trying to navigate through it

[fleet whale]

you can dodge certain mechanics with evasion, like the charge on the third boss of King's Rest

but while the shower is physical damage it's also aoe.... don't think you can dodge that

evasion also doesn't work on the sharknado, even though it works for a regular bladestorm

[lost horizon]

In FH?

It works on sharknado last I checked

[fleet whale]

idk everytime i try it on him i always get hit

[lost horizon]

Are you getting hit by the shark too?

[rancid bobcat]

It definitely works on sharknado

Though just play outlaw and outrange it

[lost horizon]

^

[uneven bolt]

Why do I sim so low for 397? I sim only 21.9kish

Or thats optimal?

w/o treacherous trait so far btw

[rancid bobcat]

There could be many reasons: bad stats, bad traits, bad talents, bad trinkets, different settings

Hard to tell if you don't post

[uneven bolt]

oh lul

sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Es9w5xSr1FWnzZAgqne6K

but why do I sim less with crown than with darkshore wb helm though

[rancid bobcat]

Idk what people sim at though you'll have to wait for someone else

[fleet whale]

that honestly doesn't look that low of sim to me tbh, we also have the same trinkets. Only thing i can think of is that you might sim a little bit more with TB, as that is how it is for me even with two SS traits

oh and replace your agi gem

[uneven bolt]

and maybe cause of EB trait aswell? Im mostly doing m+s nowadays

to haste gem rite?

[fleet whale]

likely it will be haste, but check stat weights to be sure

mastery has been creeping up for a lot of people

[uneven bolt]

aye

[solid nova]

Not sure why you simmed 3mins either

Defaults to 5

[uneven bolt]

oh aight

[solid nova]

Traits and TB would be a factor too

[uneven bolt]

beside EB

are my traits oke?

[solid nova]

Sure but theres definitely better

[uneven bolt]

what shall I aim for?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[solid nova]

DD,NP, TC, SS all good.

[uneven bolt]

aight thanks bois ❤

[outer ruin]

So I play in a casual raid guild, and most of the players here cap out gear/effort/skill wise at the 12-13 key range. So my io is sitting at a comfy 1200, but I'm getting regularly rejected (and with good reason) to 15+ keys, that I want to break into. Are there good links for high M+ community lfg's? Or some other form of networking people have for finding key groups of higher key difficulties?

[solid nova]

@outer ruin https://discordapp.com/invite/mythicplusfriends

[outer ruin]

Thank you so much Richard

[solid nova]

Its unlikely pugs will take someone who hasnt done said key level before. Its just pug life. But youll find like-minded people there.

Youll find people there and can network etc

[hearty oriole]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[hearty oriole]

I guess for mythic plus if you had to choose between 3 x eb or 3 x SS you would choose EB?

[strange python]

wtb progressing guild

[solid nova]

!warn @storm drift Memes and trolling are not what the spec channels are for #rules-and-guides

[storm drift]

Why Can you warn me here if i cant post a pic

[solid nova]

I removed it.

[shy axle]

are you guys using the subt. build or MA?

still thinking about it if MA is worth it

but seems ok

[solid nova]

I sim higher with MA but gotten so used to Subt SS its still a bit strange to me

[strange python]

subt

feels much better for most of raid bosses

[solid nova]

Smoother for sure

But if you crit during MA

Its good times

[shy axle]

why smoother? isn`t it the same opener nevertheless? (except the TB placement and/or 1 Mut)

[smoky fiber]

MA feels good except when you don't crit 😔

[solid nova]

No the openers arent the same

Yeah MA no crit is sad life

[visual quartz]

dont gar, rup,gar for MA that just sounds awful

[spare dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[light rampart]

what gem y'all taking on opulence?

[buoyant coyote]

the dps one

[light rampart]

~. ~

[buoyant coyote]

Opal I think its called

[fleet whale]

i take opal

emerald didn't impress me when i first used unless if it got stealth buffed

[light rampart]

yeah been using emerald b ut feel like I might have too

aight, going to try opal

[hollow stone]

opal if you will get 2+ sets of adds, emerald if not

ruby if you RL tells you to

[fleet whale]

did they fix the bug with emerald resetting when it reaches 5 stacks

[hollow stone]

while ago, yea

[light rampart]

Alright

[hushed maple]

does someone have that apm graph?

I dont want to carry ruby xD

[ionic dome]

Why’s there five different WA packages in that command.?

[hollow stone]

options

[solid nova]

@hushed maple The simulationcraft one?

[hushed maple]

y

[solid nova]

So if you go here:
http://www.simulationcraft.org/

T23 Patwork/Dungeon (Preference to what youre looking at)

Raid summary at the top, scroll down and theres APM

[ionic dome]

Ahhh okay. Is that Luxthos WA package one okay.?

[solid nova]

Its under Actions Per Minute / DPS Variance Summary @hushed maple

[hushed maple]

thanks

[solid nova]

Np

[strange python]

RL told me today to take ruby on opulence

i LUL'd irl

< Ruby whore 😭

[royal lantern]

just.....tell him that you actually need too use skills and assassination doesnt spam skills/sometimes needs too pool, basicly every single other melee dps is better for it?

if he doesnt liste, he is...not very smart tbh, you build up stacks way too slow and can drop then just because of how sin works

[modern forge]

Hi Guys, any guide up to date for max dps on the new raid?

[hushed maple]

the normal one is

^^

[fringe flower]

!Azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[lusty saddle]

is there a weakaura for opulence when you are targeted by the lava beam?

[visual quartz]

Im also the ruby user for our raid 😛

[celest mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tender walrus]

Hey guys what s the site where you see how classes are performing in the raid?

[lost horizon]

Warcraftlogs

[dusky moon]

TC in M+ yay or nay?

[lost horizon]

It's good

But SoB will outscale it in AoE once you've got 3+ ruptures out

[dusky moon]

trying to figure out a best set of traits

[lost horizon]

Yeah, it's kind of situational

TC will give you consistent agi as long as you're not taking a ridiculous amount of dmg

[dusky moon]

that's a problem, i lost a few shielding traits, so taking a bit too much damage

[lost horizon]

But if trash packs last long enough for you to get 3+ ruptures out each time then sob will do bette

[sharp token]

!guide