@fickle lance start with sprint
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bleak spoke
fickle lance
I do
fickle lance
probably, I've been stuck with pugs for it so far
bleak spoke
Ah
fickle lance
really?
hollow haven
guys ist better to pool energy for TB or use it on CD ?
real bay
it's useless as they heal up
brave gyro
yeap, any dmg prior to the heal is not counted
real bay
unless it's a big st boost
brave gyro
u can still keep dots, for energy regen if u want
fickle lance
yeah that was always the point
real bay
that, but you also need to poison them
fickle lance
was just trying to figure out if the GCDs were worth the energy regen since the dmg was irrelevant
real bay
lasts much less than garrote or rup
I do it when it's convenient like running past the other boss
fickle lance
yeah, if I'm by the other one because raptors or something and the GCD is up I will
but was mostly just curious about wasting GCDs off the opener, but if it's not padding my meters any then I think I'll just focus main target
real bay
yep it is kinda waste
fickle lance
How are y'all feeling about traits for this patch? SS still feels super useful with how many multi-target fights there are in BoD, but DD and TC both look good on paper.
fickle lance
NP just at 1 pt for energy regen, or is the damage that good that it's worth stacking?
Even post-nerf, bloodmallet has TC only 100 dps under DD.
brave gyro
all are simmed with MA talent (except the top one, as u see)
top is with Subter + exsang
fickle lance
have a link for that?
lost horizon
Herodamage
fickle lance
ty
fickle lance
Only heroic azerite piece I have is Opulence helm, so I've still got one SS right now.
next wolf
Not sure in what way exsang sims highest? Tried every eventuality (or a fair few) none of which exsang sims more than TB
With SS that is
brave gyro
i got DD/ NP 400 chest from the Warfront quest, rest are 385 :/
strange python
guys how value do you think SS is for 2 target fights like jadefire
fickle lance
I've got the same chest lmao
strange python
i'm guessing you should just go SS over anything else on that fight?
opaque pagoda
any suggestions on which azerite part to buy from the vendor?
light narwhal
either SS/NP for raid or SS/EB for M+
spice surge
If you're going to kill the first 3 mythic bosses with any regularity, chest
Otherwise whatever is the greatest increase for you
fickle lance
Definitely going chest even though my shoulders are still 385. Jadefire will stop being jerks eventually.
brave gyro
im getting shoulders for sure
royal lantern
it will take years until people in my group dont die too multisided strike
fickle lance
hide UI and pretend your character is a beyblade, ez dodge
light narwhal
thats the jadefire minigame?
fickle lance
yeah
light narwhal
that thing is so easy haha you can even screw up 2 out of 6( or something) still half my mythic pug kept ending up dead
brave gyro
tbh, i have a really hard time seeing the images
its not the turning, that's a problem
on HC we just kill the monk before we get it, so its fine for now i guess 🤷
light narwhal
better to practice on HC then because on Mythic you can't really dodge it
brave gyro
i know 😛
brave gyro
Side note, any idea if Sims are coming out for the new raid? on simc's website is still for Uldir
dapper bough
Does SS's additionnal damage applies outside of stealth/subterfuge ?
light narwhal
no
dapper bough
k
silent breach
i just got Gold-Tasseled Epaulets and was wondering is it really better to have TW then SS ( i have no SS on my other 2 pices)
weak creek
dd vs ss for raid opinions?
silent breach
dd > ss
weak creek
i know dd is obv better, but usually want 1 ss right since MA is very fickle
weak creek
even far enough as to go master assassin build in raid?
vast forum
debatable tbh
3x garrote can be pretty useful on some fights
i ranked a 99 on stormwall by vanish garroting 2 adds and boss
i mean hc ofc 😄
so it depends on fight
MA for example for mekka
sullen pagoda
MA is dogshit in usefulness imo
ripe nimbus
U probably would of ranked 99 regardless if u SS the adds anyway
sullen pagoda
also SS barely sims lower than DD and basically every fight has a way to multi dot or get more value out of SS than DD
not a fan of DD at all
spice surge
There isnt really many fights where adds line up well with vanish
There isnt many fights with relevant adds at all tbh
ripe nimbus
But muh pad SS doe
sullen pagoda
for example u get vanish for every add spawn on grong
royal lantern
if you need vanish and vendetta for the grong adds, your group dps is just low
sullen pagoda
or you do it cuz you are not a mongo on prog 🤷
royal lantern
wath has that too do with progression
if you need too burn 2cd's for adds every single time
the other dps peeps should MAYBE keep the cd's for adds too
ripe nimbus
The first add ONLY needs to die before 50 energy which gives u like forever to kill themb
Them*
sullen pagoda
because those cds line up anyway for every add wave and its perfect for tripple garrote? 🤦
royal lantern
but thats just pad dps then, instead of using the stuff to actually kill the boss
sullen pagoda
how is it pad
if adds die faster and everyone can move on to boss and loses a chance of adds casting cuz someone misses a kick since adds last longer if you don't pop cds
spice surge
You have like 35s to kill to kill the first add and then another minute before the next one has to die
Killing them fast just makes the holder of the orb take insane damage, but idk, you do you
sullen pagoda
well our holder is a blood dk so thats nowhere near problem
dapper bough
does night elf stealth during a raid boss allows you to go back in stealth or are you still in combat ?
royal lantern
in dungeons, yes, you can stealth again, in raids nope, but you get the SS dmg bonus on garrote
royal lantern
well, its ''only'' the SS bonus, no subterfuge
royal lantern
cus then nelf would be broken af lol
dapper bough
true
fickle lance
I always wondered about that - so you just get one SS garrote from a meld?
sturdy python
If in a boss yes since you can't restealth
In m+ trash combat meld drops combat and you can restealth
fickle lance
Gotcha - so full Subterfuge shenanigans in M+, but it really only helps for the combo points in raids since no amp from Subterfuge?
sturdy python
You get the SS damage amp too
strange python
MtvcribsToday at 4:34 PM
MA is dogshit in usefulness imo
Id second this tbh, also the feel of playing MA vs Subterfuge is shit
languid ore
@brave gyro double traits probably a pain to sim for highest DPS on every single class
strange python
Feels so lackluster in comparison
fickle lance
Yeah but without Subterfuge, SS damage isn't as juicy
vast forum
i'm a night elf myself so i'll always try to run 3xSS
and i also prefer versatility in different types of content, rather than specialising in ST dmg
SS is pretty good for pvp and just straight up amazing for m+
fickle lance
EB the real hero M+ trait
languid ore
I like MA
spice surge
Even though i think exsang+sub feels way better
languid ore
Fat juicy crits
vast forum
i mean, they're not any fatter than without MA
just happen more often
for those 3 sec 🤷
dapper bough
3 ss + exsang + gcb feels good tho
dark crag
MA assa plays like old sub
weak creek
just at least 1 ss
spice surge
Ma sims a fair bit above sub+ss with bis gear
strange python
Ive been MA this reset, and it just feels so horrible. Not that its performing that bad, but the feels :/
dark crag
Legion dfa sub minus dfa
languid ore
Didnt play legion. Was sub number 1?
dark crag
No 1 in our hearts
languid ore
Lol
dark crag
Legion sub was tos to antorus
languid ore
Because preparation sub was a nightmare
dark crag
Assas strong setboni and subs weak one shifted it more to assa since antorus. Now we are here
royal lantern
i just hate it when you use MA, go vanish>envenom>mulitate and then sit at 2cp
feels soooooooo bad
wary ice
I hate MA tbh
spice surge
Just crit 4head
hollow stone
I dont really get how subt is anymore "fun" than MA
If anything, imo, its less fun. Unless you like holding vend for vend van to line up
simple meteor
MA is only worth on opulance with x3 eb tbh
hollow stone
Tabbing and garroting is so fun tho. I get it
I know its just a matter of opinion but tabbing and garroting really isnt that exciting either
woeful moth
What makes exang more appealing in m+ than toxic blade?
hollow stone
Tb "locks" you to a target, exs does not
hollow stone
Also. Most people run ss in m+. So exs gets more value
No
But you dont need to stay on the target you exs to get full use, unlike tb
woeful moth
Ok. That makes sense
Is it that much of a difference to use ss exang in raid instead of dd toxic blade? Worth enough to respec your azerite gear every time you switch?
woeful moth
So then you just talent into toxic when you raid and exang when you do m+
That’s way cheaper
Lol
simple meteor
i play x3 ss x3 eb on m plus mythic 0 drops them
lunar tangle
if your raid gear has only one ss should i swap out that trait and put the other and go for ma?
dapper bough
so i have the choice of going 3 dd/2 ss/1 tc or 3 ss/2 dd/ 1 tc. They both sim relatively equal on single target depending on my talents. I'm not sure which way to go
like the diff in sims is 0.1%
simple meteor
3 dd for sure but some fights x3 ss are good as well in the end pick what what boss you progress with your guild
brisk raptor
no NP in your build?
buoyant flicker
U sim less than a potato
vestal wren
you need gear
median notch
seems so wierd to sim at 22k with 893 haste only. Is there something going too wrong on the sim or what?
vestal wren
i would worry about stats when i have some decnt gear with 370 you need itemlvl first
brisk raptor
I know that I need gear, but like, in comparsion
buoyant flicker
Np is a fantastic trait if you have limited uptime on a boss outside of vendetta
It concentrates your damage in a small window so you have to worry less about uptime outside of it
dapper bough
mmh true
bleak spoke
anyone know if there's a difference between having diff enchants on diff weapons?
patent tide
When you sim on raidbot, on this raid, what is the "better" option is "Fight Style" ?
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simple meteor
anything good for 2 bosses ?
bleak spoke
sim patchwerk 2 targets for 3 minutes for fights like freehold council
follow dratnos's rotation
for fights like conclave you don't want to actually sim 2t because at most you're dotting the second target to funnel resources
or tab rupturing raptors for energy refund
patent tide
AH 
need soooome gear ffs
shy axle
Do u guys use at least an SS trait or did you went full DD and MA/TB? Seems to be not that much of a difference if i see that correctly? What do you prefer for T22
wary ice
didnt know drat finally got the opener guide out
crisp shard
Twist the Knife seems to be simming really high for me, beating out treacherous, is that cuz of my high mastery+3xDD or is it just common?
unkempt tangle
Agility loosing some value at high gear so TC simming less?
crisp shard
Ye I guess my agility is simming lower than secondaries
tepid flower
Is there a m+ centered guide? I’m trying to figure out what traits to focus on.
knotty nymph
Ss and eb
bleak spoke
having 1 TTK isn't bad for M+ either
lets you funnel dmg on uneven pulls and the poison chance makes your energy more consistent
spice surge
the guide in the pins specifically mention what changes when you swap those talents
solid nova
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knotty nymph
Cheers brothers
blissful bramble
hi guys
i got a question for ST (raid) is there any cap is haste mastery or something i need to hit . right now i got 21% haste - 38%mastery 18% krit 1,5% vers
solid nova
Nope, just follow your stat weights
solid nova
Theres none at all 😄
Stats become devalued and others will become worth more, but theres no set caps
The point at which stats devalue/change is different from player to player
blissful bramble
ok thanks mate
robust light
with 0 SS but 2 EB is it still worth going subterfuge in m+?
raw fox
How good is that engineering helm?
warm geode
im posting on outlaw cuz im more focused for that spec, but i play sin for raid, and want to hear opinions about random 415 azerite buy, i copy(from guide )/made a spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TcnSMOzeAEAwz2lsg7zod_UA0-I10FqTVJ3MelIatXM/edit?usp=sharing
hearty oriole
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warm geode
what u guys think about my rating , and if dont why ?
earnest bolt
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faint vault
When using Variable Intensity Gigavolt Oscillating Reactor, do I need to save my burst until I'm at 6 or just use burst in the opener?
hexed sail
can we cross server BOD mythic currently ?
slow mortar
It opens when 100 guilds clear it, yah?
dark sinew
Should i go for 3xDD or 2xSS + 1xDD in general for the raid? I can't really decide.
dull osprey
I was under the impression that DD is out performing ss?
even though its top of the herodamge charts
bold hearth
@warm geode I'll likely be going for chest this week mainly because BiS chest from raid is pretty inaccessible.
For assassination that is
worn magnet
Is it worth saving to buy a 415 azerite or just gamble?
bold hearth
Not worth waiting to buy a specific 415.
tough lantern
@dark sinew imo SSx2 DDx1 not to many ST fights
Sim yourself tho
SD always better with exang/sub
dark sinew
@tough lantern 3xDD sims 400 dps higher on patchwerk fights, I just don't think it's worth it, since there isn't that many ST fights.
bold hearth
Ideally you'd probably have a 2nd set of gear or swap azerite traits for ST but for prog SS is better.
dark sinew
@bold hearth All right thanks. 😃
dull osprey
So even if TB is simming higher, due to the nature of fights I should be running SS?
solid nova
TB and SS is pretty normal
languid ore
Do whatever you find is easiest
dull osprey
I meant exang, but SS is still stacked in TB build?
languid ore
What does the sim say
solid nova
WCL will show you that TB, SS is more than viable 😄
dull osprey
Well, the sim says use it, but sims also say that sub does more damage than sin....
bold hearth
I just find running at least X1SS is good for prog but I currently run TB
In terms of builds Exsang vs. TB provides no difference in utility so run whatever sims higher
dull osprey
gotcha. Hero Damage is also adding to the confusion because it says to use exang with SS
bold hearth
Yea my sims didn't swap from Exsang to TB until I had 2XDD
Which also meant I only had 1X SS left
dull osprey
ahhh
bleak spoke
anyone hve the macro for exsang if talented and tb if talented
slow mortar
/cast [talent:6/2] tb; [talent:6/3] exs
ripe nimbus
How is SS better for prog?? What does it add that not running SS doesnt im confused
nimble tartan
its not better for prog
its not like u pop ss on and suddenly like woah thats way better than MA !!
ripe nimbus
Thats what im getting at. This guy going around saying SS is better for prog when it literally doesnt add anything that makes it better for prog lol
outer ruin
I'm a bit torn on my M+ trinket choices. I have a 405 /w socket Yu'lon, 395 Dead-Eye Spyglass, 385 VIGOR. I'm using the first two because they sim slightly higher, but I hear amazing things about vigor being bonkers in M+. Anyone mind tossing out their thoughts? I'm in the 1.2k .io range, trying for 1.5k this season doing pugs mostly
serene basin
if you have a 6 stack of vigor ready for reaping, and running 1-2 echoing blades
it's so good
hollow stone
SS is worse for prog in basically every fight. Idk how this info is getting spread..
Jadefire is the exception imo. But even then, mythic strat is zerg monk so
SS will be better on a lot of fights for rekills when you are taking adv of the multi emp garrs and looking for parses. But that should not be your focus on prog
rigid mango
I think most run SS because they're so used to it and like the opener more thatn anything
hollow stone
Yea. 100%. Thats why i would run ss if i had the option with my current az. The opener feels better, doesnt mean it is better
rigid mango
That being said it's a decent trait, and not bad at all
Just not as good as the top contenders, if given the choice
hollow stone
Also agreed. Its still a top 5ish trait. But its not just "go ss"
desert vault
I have the ideal lazy setup 2x DD+TC+SS so I'm good! Prolly not 'perfect' setup but close enough
hollow stone
Yea. I hear that. I want 3dd, 2tc, 1ss; maybe one day :p
rigid mango
If I got to choose a set up I'd go for 3x DD, and then a one of of TC SS NP
desert vault
even got lucky to get a 400 EB+SoB so I can give a nice lazy swap to that for m+ and I get by with the least amount of effort possible!
desert vault
I could swap to do 1x TC and 1x NP, but I dunno 2x TC sims better so why not
rigid mango
I mean it's just a bit more power at the point where you need it
hollow stone
And i do understand why its desirable and def a top contending trait (at least with 1 stack)
desert vault
I like TC for m+ as well, not at all a great trait, but better than NP at least
rigid mango
Yeah NP is poopoo for m+
hollow stone
Yea. Just not my cup-o-tea. Im running 1 now it just doesnt blow me away
desert vault
I've only got the one EB, but its enough cause I only run like 10-12s
rigid mango
I mean so do I atm
desert vault
if I can do 21-23k overall I'm good, only 392 equipped cause I can't get any gear
rigid mango
There's no "enough" of EB
desert vault
Next week will be wonderful for EB, teeming+fortified
hollow stone
2 eb, 2 ss, 2 sob for m+ here. Unfortunately one of those is a 370 😦
But the traits are good!
desert vault
Yeah that is a nice m+ setup
desert vault
My m+ setup is pretty lame ... I think its 1x EB, 1x SoB, 2x SS, 1x TC, 1x DD 😐
Should prolly work on getting that DD to an EB
primal gazelle
dont think any sin rogues can keep up with outlaw/dh's without 3 eb
hollow stone
I dont mind 1 dd on tyr weeks. But yeah, eb would be better
rigid mango
Yeah those 3 EB's are fucking nut
hollow stone
The 3rd eb is apparently bonkers. Ill get there soon
rigid mango
It's only dh's/frost mages that really get up there with me
Wouldn't know anything about outlaw as I don't run it with one
primal gazelle
what talent are you running with 3 eb? hb pb or ct?
hollow stone
Played some OL this week in keys. Was pretty strong
rigid mango
PB
hollow stone
Id prob go pb but thats just feely
rigid mango
I've not changed stuff around
hollow stone
No support
rigid mango
I just run my regular set up for both m+ and raiding
primal gazelle
you use 3 eb for riads?
rigid mango
Nah, talents
desert vault
Oh, apparently I need to get the Conclave chest with EB/SS, didn't even notice that
odd hatch
What would you guys run for a wcm 14 this week? Those witches man, those witches.
rigid mango
That chest is what I got
rigid mango
Just worht spending CP on ruptures?
primal gazelle
not worth the global on ct
rigid mango
Do you stop spending your cp's at the hight of fok spam?
Or do you just rupture as many as possible
visual quartz
for ST fights in BoD I need to choose between SS and twist the knife, whats the verdict?
hollow stone
@odd hatch depends. If your group is good on aoe, go full st. if not, usual m+ (eb ss sob)
primal gazelle
you only need 5 ruptures for infinite energy for eveyr GCD
primal gazelle
any more than that is a dps loss
even with SOB
i fok fok fok -> finisher usually, to keep up EP
odd hatch
Our standard is bm Hunter, dh, me, disc p, bear
rigid mango
@visual quartz SS if you like how it plays, if not, ttk
odd hatch
So I guess that'd mean full st
hollow stone
If youre struggling to kill that boss, yeah, id go st
visual quartz
I do love how SS plays but the increase envenom dmg seems real nice
hollow stone
Yea. Bm aoe is good. Its not top top tier. But its good
primal gazelle
bm huntesr have insane aoe if they have the 3x primal instinct trait
odd hatch
That bm will be swapped for a frost Mage soon. Lucky us
rigid mango
Well if you like how SS plays I'd play it, I love how the opener works etc
So I like to keep it a 1 of for the most part
strange python
hi , it's important to play in raid with One garot trait azerith ? because in single target fight vanish is useless without it
rigid mango
What are you running for m+ @primal gazelle
rigid mango
Fucking ay man
round harbor
@primal gazelle when we fighting again
rigid mango
I'm in a poo poo guild so I'm not expecting to get any good azerite pieces any time soon
odd hatch
@strange python nah vanish isn't useless. If you run MA it will be used for burst Windows for that sweet crit. SS isn't necessary
round harbor
I got 2eb 3ss and 1tc
primal gazelle
the 3rd eb adds the most dmg
rigid mango
I want to get rid of my Sob on helm
round harbor
I'd roll like 10 times on 385s
More value to get the trait right
Rather than the ilvl of it
hollow stone
No.
primal gazelle
for temporary value maybe, im shooting for the long term tho
round harbor
Oh it's nice
But it's it's like 1/6 odds
You could easily go 2 months without it
IDK the odds, just giving example
rigid mango
I'd rather do that
hollow stone
Yea. Or you couldnt
rigid mango
than settle for a poopy piece with good traits
and then have to roll on the higher later
Short but sweet or in it for the long run
hollow stone
It depends on what you do in the game too. But saving for random 415s is the best choice for MOST players
round harbor
Yeah for me I don't think it is
hollow stone
Yea. Like, if youre strictly m+ only and never touch raid, i would agree that getting the right traits is priority #1
round harbor
Ill have all raids azerite soon enough and just having the correct traits at even 400 is more valueble to me than 415
slate jacinth
Hey guys - Can someone help me analyze the log for Grong mythic? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DC9JnNMYVZwpbd7k/#fight=last&type=damage-done
I really really dont understand what the hell is going on with my dmg.
round harbor
Only raid piece for sin is the chest though, so I'll have to do pvp
slate jacinth
16% log, at iLvl 396 seems so extreme
hollow stone
But if you raid and push m+, randoms are best. For example, you say 1/6 chance. I saw 3/6 chance (for chest) to get one i want for m+ OR raid, that changes the math drastically
primal gazelle
6 tries for Helm,
3 tries for Shoulders
6 tries for Chest (you can get this from mythic conclaive)
Assuming you do at least a +16 every week, and buy a piece every 2 weeks, estimating it will take you 30 ish weeks to get all 415 pieces 3 eb 3 ss . Ofc this can change if you have good RNG
hollow stone
@slate jacinth dont sweat first kill parses
round harbor
@slate jacinth your gear is bad
hollow stone
Tighten up next kill, see how you do. Then seek help if still low
slate jacinth
Well even if low parses, my DPS seems really low. I sim to around 22k, and yet I pull 18. That's wrong.
round harbor
Farm some 10s for 400 baseline gear including trinket and weapons
Then buy a 385 should piece. It'll be better than your uldir one
obsidian sierra
Anyone knows from their mind right now if one of the pvp azerite has eb ss on it?
The helm doesnt
slate jacinth
Yeah but... even then... I get it, my gear can improve, ALOT. But would anyone be kind and take a glance at the logs, see if I can improve somewhere? I really think I performed my rotation exactly as I should.
primal gazelle
none of them have eb ss on it, from pvp
obsidian sierra
Sucks
hollow stone
Last i checked, wowhead had not updated the pvp items w extra ring
obsidian sierra
I think helm might be ok as well as a one off with eb and sob since on high keys later in the addon i think sob gets value
primal gazelle
lol our tank's lvled a new DK on thursday(for mythic mekk and stormwall), farmed m10s all weekend and he's already 393 ilvl with less than 24 hours played
obsidian sierra
When mobs live long enough
round harbor
You are running subt with no success?
Ss
You likely sim higher with MA given your azerite
slate jacinth
Me?
round harbor
Yes
Have you tried simming it
Also your lust seems really late
Are u lusting on the last add phase?
It's really hard for me to see on my phone, but it looks like your third vendetta was cast like 10-13;seconds before your pot and lust
primal gazelle
@round harbor lmk when u get bis traits for both specs and which one is better 😛
primal gazelle
one downfall for sin bis is that using 3 eb gives 0 st value so my st suffers a bit, meanwhile outlaw's bis deadshot/ace gives ST value too
round harbor
I still think sin is the play in atal. That's the only one I see it being better atm
Atal has alotnof casters that can be locked down, but outlaw can do it similar with going and bte
slate jacinth
@round harbor yeah we used BL sort of late for our kill, and it didnt line up for my vendetta there. I'll try to sim with MA now instead of subt
round harbor
3eb could be overkill
For pugs
For a fixed group with mongo pulls I think outlaw still gonna excel
rigid mango
I mean I normally run with a frost mage + survival hunt
primal gazelle
@round harbor idr if we're bnet friends already but add me cobra#1709 😃
slate jacinth
MA isnt a DPS increase..
burnt orbit
would u use 3 ss and 3 other st trait to m+?
serene basin
probably want 3 eb (echoing blades)
strange python
anyone had issues targeting the boss on stormwall blockade?
rigid mango
3 SS and EB is the best set up possible for m+
So if you can get that on decent pieces, you're set.
pastel wasp
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rigid mango
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pastel wasp
Oh
rigid mango
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finite acorn
is best way to open on rastakhan to spread the garrote with SS and then continue with normal opener rotation ?
or is there some other way more efficient
real bay
gut feeling says 3 emp garrote is the best way, especially if you have SS traits
finite acorn
1 ss only and rest is DD and np
but yea i think its most efficient u just fok instead of muti even i have DD
serene basin
I believe it is additive
which would make deadly poison application go from 30% to 60%
w/ envenom
serene basin
it's 50%?
primal gazelle
yea its 50%
serene basin
unless you are running MP by default?
primal gazelle
MP doesnt increase procs, only dmg i i think
primal gazelle
read tooltip for deadly poisons
oh actually
hm
says 30%
its crippling that has a 50% chance to proc
lapis quail
So when would MP be a better option then subt? Especially if you have 1 or more traits of SS? I’m still learning rogue here so please disregard my noob questions lol
serene basin
MA (?) - Master Assassin same row as subterfuge
lapis quail
Yeah sorry. Fat fingers on iPhone
serene basin
if you have 2 ss traits, you should always play subterfuge
lapis quail
What about one ?
serene basin
one it depends on your other traits too
mighty elm
ruby good for assa on Mythic opulence?
mighty elm
well compared to other specs
past star
I'm currently debating on switching back to assa, but im not completely sure which traits to go for
past star
I do quite a bit of M+ and BoD HC, but i cant be switching traits all the time
serene basin
@mighty elm probably want the opal
mighty elm
would opal do better for us?
royal lantern
opal is the ''too go'' gem
obsidian girder
does the Yu'lon trinket nature dmg stack with the 30% dmg buff of TB ?
serene basin
@past star I'd try to get a good mix of shrouded suffocation, double dose, and nothing personal
if you end up with one of each, that's fine to use overall
1-2 double dose, or 1-2 shrouded suffocation is even better too
past star
Well ive got Cowl for my head piece, so either Double or SS and then treacherous of course
serene basin
treacherous is good too if you have it yea
past star
and i got Mestrahs, so that would be either DD or NP and a treacherous
past star
and then a blood bogs wraps, so either DD or SS and then NP
yeah
just wondering how much raid dps i would lose if i went for 2 shrouded 1 DD compared to 2 DD 1 SS
since it would be better for m+ surely
serene basin
well if you went 2 ss, 1 dd for m+ - you could also just play exsanguinate here and there
and be fine for raid as well
lapis quail
@serene basin I’m using 1 TTK 1 shroud 2 double 1 EB and 1 NP, so would subt still be viable?
royal lantern
does MA sim higher for you?
even with 0SS traits MA only sims 0,3%higher for me as an example
past star
@lapis quail i would say that as long as you run 1 shroud, Subterfuge should always be better
lapis quail
I do sim but was just wanting to get an idea before I got home to sim
lapis quail
Gotta love WF and TF gear these days lol
serene basin
sticking to subterfuge in most situations is fine
ripe nimbus
@obsidian girder no
obsidian girder
sad
lapis quail
I figured it would but I’ll sim when I get off work
tawny trail
Im thinking about moving from Outlaw to Assassination. Is Ravenholdt still up to date? I'm just coming back after a break.
tawny trail
thanks @rigid mango , Anything crazy I should know after coming back. I tend to get back into raiding and m+
rigid mango
Uhh
EB is insane for m+
SS got nerfed, but for people who enjoy the playstyle it's more than viable and very handy
For m+ you'd love 3 of each of the above
DD/TC rule ST damage
NP, SS are viable options
tawny trail
a lot of good info, thanks again. Im going to try and figure this out. atleast until my head bursts.
dark crag
can you stack ruby at opu as assa? i can't achieve that, only muti and envenom stack it
rigid mango
What blows is that they're really good at one, but outclassed by the other in it's respective field
Don't take ruby :^)
dark crag
i know i took opal and boss is dead
tawny trail
wait why wouldnt we take ruby? what should we take for op fight?
rigid mango
Opal
dark crag
even if i tried i couldn't reliable stack ruby
lost sentinel
opal after adds spawn you get like 25-30% extra damage
rigid mango
^
tawny trail
Should I be using exsanguinate or toxic blades in raid or m+?
lost sentinel
they both good, try simming or using what you prefer
rigid mango
I generally recommend TB
lost sentinel
I used to always raid TB but exsang feels more exciting and I feel works best with SS for quicker vanish rotation and shadowmeld
copper kestrel
Do y'all keep TB for open world PvP? Someone suggested exsang to me.
I've been enjoying sin in organized pve/pvp. But my open world ganking has felt very unrogue-like as someone used to sub (missing my burst/mobility).
But I'm only i384 and heart of Az is 34 (came back ~three weeks ago from Legion)
tawny trail
Just simmed, and with my current gear its telling me to use Twist the knifex2 and SS x3 for single target and sent of blood x2 and SSx3 for multitarget. That sound about right? And as far as stats go. Will I have to keep totally seperate gear for m+ vs raid. or is being kinda middle of the road vaible
rustic ether
@tawny trail you ideally need raid gear and m+ gear if youre trying to get the season feat
raid gear is haste-crit-mastery, in m+ haste loses a majority of its value
tawny trail
I know im being a pain, and thanks everyone who's helping me out here. What would be the most effective way to obtain (dungeons to farm) for target gear?
like for rings/ daggers / trinekts?
a rough place lol I know i'm asking for a lot.
lone junco
@tawny trail darkshore had a 400 ilvl box. wq has a 385 wep box.
fathoms trinket low ilvl, but still competitive ST trinket.
tawny trail
yeah I got the Darkshore one. Working on the WQ one now.
lost sentinel
is twist the knife not a trash trait?
lone junco
2ss?
primal gazelle
im at 36% ish with food buff, idk if it can get any higher than that bc i already have crit/mas on all every single piece of my gear
lone junco
i saw seli at 42. i about pooped
primal gazelle
link?
on ptr with bis 415 gear that max i was able to get was 36% with no sockets
lost sentinel
I got 1SS atm, 2DD, 2EB, 1 barrage (engie trait)
I could swap a DD for a twist the knife
ideally I'd have 2ss, or 3
serene basin
i would kill for just 2 ss and 2 eb for m+
lost sentinel
I'm still rocking some first 400 ilvl stuff heheh
primal gazelle
he already has crit on every slot, 1773 crit rating for 35.63% according to his page, he would need an additional (49.7 crit per 1%) 300 crit or 9 more sockets to reach 42% crit
lost sentinel
37% mastery atm
wispy iron
I just dont trust that sim , I somehow have better dmg with both garrote traits ... any ideas ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mbiieMyB67k2CfvdyJY2dP
final stone
yoooo any of them high key pushing rouges are you guys going outlaw on high high keys in general or just dungeon specific??i just play sin for everything just cause i dont have other gear yet
final stone
kinda what i thought thanks rawr!
lone junco
i probably saw it with a long buff leftover from trinket or something. but was 38% standing. this 59% made me lol though.
broken crypt
hey you know that Endless Hunger stuff?
can the ghost absorb be seen in stealth? lol
green vapor
talents, not traits ^^
rigid mango
Oh muh bad
green vapor
wondering if poison bomb is the way to go mostly, or CT
green vapor
yeah thats what i was thinking
green vapor
got one
rigid mango
Then Idk tbh, CT might be worth it
It's either or, sorta depends what you're playing with too
If you've got a group that's blasting in aoe, then you can prob take pb, if they lack aoe then CT might be the better option
I'm basing this all off of your key being 10+
green vapor
frost mage and ww, the aoe should be good enough
kind of dont like CT, ill go without it here
anyway thanks
spice surge
Going into the deathrealm as melee? 🤔
lilac tendon
hey guys
spice surge
Playing melee at all on rastakhan even tbh
lilac tendon
Im having a problem
spice surge
On hc?
dapper bough
y
dapper bough
yeah
spice surge
And ranged stand inside and just stand still
dapper bough
But raiding mythic with druids and sp being below hunter
spice surge
and also, on mythic the spread fire thing can target melees
dapper bough
will be hard
spice surge
For some inexplicable reason
lilac tendon
Can someone help me with a quick question
hushed maple
sure
spice surge
@hushed maple Its not a change at all, only tooltip change
hushed maple
ah okay
good
Was worried, if I have to switch to Outlaw now
^^
god imagine them nerfing SS by 50% lmao
dead specc in M+
hushed maple
damn rq my ass
lilac tendon
I simmed with wrong talents lmao
hushed maple
oh boi
lilac tendon
thats what im simming at
but can barely do 13k sustained
ugh. wrong teink
trink*
hushed maple
do you sim with ideal raid buffs, flask, food, rune etc?
lilac tendon
hushed maple
if you dont deactivate it, raidbots takes the best you could get
lilac tendon
where is that
hushed maple
which means the things above
lilac tendon
I think im just stupid
junior aurora
thoughts on 3x dd 3x eb? or would it just be too contradictory
lucid anvil
If I'm stacking eb for m+ should I go master assassin talent?
junior aurora
do you have shrouded suffocation ?
if so then id stay subterfuge but if you aren't running any SS then go MA
lucid anvil
1 stak , yeag
1 stack, yeah*
That makes sense. I forget how strong that trait is. Thanks
outer ruin
Could use some advice Rouge friendos. I raidlead a casual guild, and I find that my dps suffers far less when running sin, likely due to its absurdly less APM than outlaw. My simc is 1.5k dps lower as sin than outlaw, but practically I end up with about the same dps due to sin being easier to raidlead as. Do others who might lead as rogue find outlaw harder to lead as? DO I need to just up my game? Or should I embrace Sin as the easier raidlead spec? I enjoy both equally.
smoky fiber
just play sin
dark crag
With sin you have more time for other things
rose perch
Sin generally does well in raid relative to sims compared to other specs because a little bit of downtime to handle a mechanic doesn't hurt us like it hurts specs like outlaw
round harbor
and its consistent form pull to pull
spare musk
heya quick question. Stat weights suggest new wep is 10% upgrade yet sims 50dps lower - is there diminishing returns when running two of the same daggers?
plain jacinth
Did you add the correct enchant on the weapon while simming?
or any enchatn at all
honest basin
No there isn't any kind of DR for having two times the same dagger, the issue is elsewhere, probably the enchant as stated above
strange python
been seeing some people run twist the knife lately is it good ? always thought it was meh
finite acorn
it works well with DD as far as i know
atleast thats how im simming at unless i dont have DD twist isnt good
rigid mango
Ttk is aight but other traits shine brighter for diff situations
@rose perch are you uploading videos of high reaping keys soon?
rose perch
yes but as outlaw!
rose perch
Yeah pretty much for the time being
might play some sin for the purposes of making videos at some point though
for the fans ^.^
rigid mango
Myeh I just wanna find intricate ways of doing dungeons esp w reaping
No one's been doing that many videos of reap keys and their pref routes
indigo jolt
Is apothecary's concoctions any good?
The sim ranked it over nothing personal for me
dark crag
The zul adds in kr onehit die as reaping mobs
dark crag
Ups wrong channel, wrong discord
rigid mango
^^
I mean compare it
Sim it and pick accordingly
NP is one of the best if you have one singular
For ST, pretty useless for stuff like m+ in general
delicate crater
so 3x DD 1x SS sims a little higher than 2+2 for me (130dps higher). Should I still consider 2+2 (DD/SS) for multi target fights?
rigid mango
I'd personally stick to 2 DD
3*
3 and 1
DD is nutty on low amount of target, and getting one stack of ss with sub will always work
Also cuts down on reforge cost
delicate crater
would I still use the "SS" opener (G,R,G)
rigid mango
As long as you have one SS the opener is the same
delicate crater
ok that makes things easier
delicate crater
good stuff. thanks mate
hushed maple
DD is just ST, tho
crystal brook
guys does the spec ever feel better when you get more gear am currently at 370 ilvl and the energy starvation is real just looking at your char doing nothing for 2-3 gcds sucks
spice surge
You're not gonna have spells to cast every gcd
Thats not how assa is intended to be played
On ST
crystal brook
feels weird coming from a long time fury warr
spice surge
If you want a more gcd locked playstyle play outlaw
rigid mango
In m+ you'll have a bunch of spammy fun
drowsy nimbus
Hi , im playing troll and im at opulence with my guild atm, so im night elf. So i tried the shadowmeld trick and it didnt work
DId they fix it ?
My macro is /stopattack
/cast shadowmeld
/cast !stealth
shy dust
Shadowmeld doesn’t break combat in a raid
drowsy nimbus
ok ty
zenith gust
!Azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
plush remnant
Does nothing personal stack?
civic palm
dmg does, regen doe snot
hexed sail
as horde, where do i buy heirlooms now ? Undercity is broken, right ?
pastel wasp
orgimmar
buoyant stream
how come i cant use my artifact skin as transmog?
tall knot
whats the reaping rotation with 2-3eb? do you still put ruptures after getting enough energy or just spam fok?
steep obsidian
i normally put ruptures up on like 5 or 6 mobs but i have a sob trait too and that is a fuck ton of agi
echo jay
hey all, quick opinion/question. those with galecaller's, is there something you are macroing it to?
lone junco
if you have a bunch of bleeds out, then vanish. MA will make them all crit right? so I can spread ruptures then vanish afk.
pastel wasp
stop it noobe
lone junco
training my fingers to play MA again. this baby crit business is lame.
they are chain critting now
Sure.
missing out on actual damages.
its just funny to stay stealth and watch them roll.
~85% crit on the remaining duration.
not too excited to swap to DD/ma tb. but the vanish round should be good.
stable pine
@lone junco MA vanish is so yawn fest in comparison to shoulders lego in legion
Nothing worst than popping a 2mins cd and not get procs
quick ice
I still can't believe they cut it's value in half twice. Once for the crit% and one for the time.
lone junco
right
should have been 3s 100% or 5sec 50
cause vanish env mut (2) mut (2) env. is super lame.
prisma carbon
do you not have SS traits? really doubt having vanish for aoe every 2 mins is worth it
fresh robin
whats the best option for simming for m+, hectic add cleave?
elfin plaza
What slot are you all buying tomorrow? Really eyeballing those Chest slots since Chest has most Agility and the Mythic Grong chest isnt the best in the world
marble hemlock
do dungeon slice if you want to simulate some trashfights+boss, do 60sec/6target or 40sec/6target if you wanna sim for aoe only
main blaze
I was looking at chests and its like 2/6 chance of a good one
marble hemlock
keep in mind that neither one of those are going to be completely accurate
fresh robin
aye, but better than patchwerk i assume ^_^ lol
marble hemlock
the 6target anbd 40/60sec one should be patchwerk
fresh robin
also, if you're rocking triple echoing are we still trying to keep up rupture/garotte on as many targets as possible? or just one and spamming fan + envenom?
i have triple echoing for m+ but no SS alongside them :[ feelsbadman
marble hemlock
apply enough ruptures to maintain energy, and then just spam fok and only keep up EP buff
fresh robin
EB?
fresh robin
ah alright, yeah thought so was just making sure
haha np ty
so definitely dont spam envenom as much
marble hemlock
but yeah, in terms of simming for m+ it basically comes down to what dungeon youre doing and what your personal/groups priority is in terms of optimization of gear/traits etc.
fresh robin
also just want to rant a little about finally getting the traits i wanted but on like all 385 gear.... smfh
i hate blizzard and them not making you able to farm m+ for azerite
its such a joke
marble hemlock
we mostly focus on aoe entirely even at the cost of some singletarget, so the dungeon slice sim isnt well suited for that, but its nice for a more jack-of-all-trades approach
ye
tbf, most traits for assa have some good use in m+
fresh robin
and also... rocking like triple echoing... i feel like my ST is lacking so bad in M+
but i guess m+ is mostly about trash eh/
marble hemlock
only np/dd dont, but scent, eb, ss and ttk are all pretty good in their own right
well, to a degree, yes
i was running 1EB 2SS 2TTK 1Engitrait up until recently and was pleasently surprised
played it with tb+PB as well
and basically played sub-rogue style, utilizing the highcrit and CP generation to funnel highdamage envenoms into priority targets on bigpulls
fresh robin
ive got like triple DD, 1np, 1 TC, 1 sob for raiding >.>... then 3x EB 1xmutilate 1 envenom 1 sob for m+
marble hemlock
and that build works very well for ST too
im aiming for 2TTK 1SS 3EB for m+ personally
fresh robin
really just need an EB piece and DD with SS and i think ill feel comfortable granted its all super low ilvl :[
i hate not having 1 SS on either of my sets
it feels so bad
fresh robin
yikes
marble hemlock
well, you can play without it, but the CP generation is gonna suck a bit more on pulkls, so you gotta make sure that you start every trashpack with 2+CP already
so youre still gonna be at 5 after 3x garrote opener
(for aoe)
fresh robin
yeah ive just been doing a 3 cp rupture for the first one
then fanning and applying the 5s
but yeah it does feel bad :/
almost as bad as having run freehold like 30 times with no trinket still
im using a 400 spyglass and a 390 on use pvp trinket
which isnt the worst but harlans is just so juicy
also, how do i change my "spec" in this discord again? ive been ass for so long, should probably changee that
fresh robin
yeah it is, im happy i got it, i just want harlans to go with it 😛
steep obsidian
i got a 395 one last week
i am using the bleed trinket from the raid coz galecallers make me want to stab things
and i dont have a high one anyway to make it worth the annoyance
fresh robin
yeah i have a galecallers, i really despise how good that trinket sims for how it works functionality wise
its very rare that u can pop it on CD and stand in it the entire duration
and yeah id love that bleed trinket to go with spyglass for raiding, id prolly use spyglass+harlans for m+ still tho
how do the azerite traits look on pvp gear? are there any good pve combos on em?
i really need like a DD + SS chest
marble hemlock
well, spyglass+on use is a pretty good combo
not sure if harlans would actually be better
strange python
why does everyone go for the kimbul's trinket while it sims that low on herodamage?
fresh robin
yeah, well my on use is only 390 atm... and its nice having 2 passive brain dead trinkets where you dont have to think about using em lol
marble hemlock
well, i got it on our conclave firstkill so im gonna use it, even though id like not to
but 415kimbuls is just gonna be better than most 385 or 400 trinkets
fresh robin
when i meant on use, i meant the on use agility trinket too
not the vers one, i see that vers one is really high on these lists
marble hemlock
the agi on isnt bad either
fresh robin
yeah
i guess the flat agi then vers on use is pretty nice
compared to flat vers + agi on use
i feel like my secondaries are so weird this tier, is that just me?
like mastery and vers are so high atm yet my energy regen feels like i need more haste
also... theres pretty much zero reason to hang onto these old azerite piecees that dont havee double outer traits right?
marble hemlock
well, mastery scaling is gonna pick up over the course of this tier
this early into the new tier its usually just the fact that the primary statgain outweighs having suboptimal secondaries, so vers items sim higher despite noit being optimal for either aoe or ST
fresh robin
True
Any idea why i cant change my role back to sin? i reacted to that message again but didnt seem to work
Also... whatever happened to specific 385 azerite from the vendor for 675 residuum, its still listed on wowhead but doesnt exist, only thee specific 415 for 7150 >.>
marble hemlock
roles have a priority
so in order to have assa show
youre probably gonna have to drop sub/outlaw
fresh robin
not sure how i drop the tag, i originally reacted as sub like last xpan 😛
marble hemlock
same way you did for assa
fresh robin
well it doesnt actually show my reaction anymore, just fuu and the mods or w/e in the welcome channel
marble hemlock
just go !outlaw and !subtlety in botspam, that should fix it
quick ice
I think it's changed since then?
fresh robin
ah yea
cheers, ty 😃
they really need to adjust the residuum prices for 415... like at 7150 you might be able to buy ONE piece? the entire tier?
blizzard just trying to reinforce loot lottery is so lame, if you invest the time you should be able to target farm what you want so people holding legendary parses are actually the most skilled players and not just the luckiest
tender frost
I'm curious, what is the best leveling rotation. I'm at level 56 currently on this toon
marble hemlock
well, with how many azerite pieces drop from raid now, its really not intended to buy specific pieces over random ones
patent topaz
I got 415 shoulders from residuum which brought me to 3xDD
10%+ of my damage done, pretty insane
3x dd 1x np 1x blightborne, could get 2nd np instead of blightborne but it sims 150 dps less
quick ice
blightborne is strong tbh
patent topaz
my traits were broken for most of the raid so I didnt get an accurate feel yet. RIP ss and subtrefuge though
probably going to try outlaw for m+, didnt feel as good as assa in the last few days for some reason
fresh robin
do you drop subter if you dont have any ss traits?
thought that was still the best talent choice
quasi pewter
Ma sims better than subterfuge for most people without ss traits
stable pine
patent topaz
MA is pretty shit though, 50% is low
hearty oriole
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
icy ember
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vyav3BBu6WXraFEef5LibP this is the set I run MA with.. it feels sort of nice to get the "guaranteed" crits w/MA, but eh just haven't got any SS traits
candid jasper
fluid oriole
Am I allowed to link logs for some help to work out some places I need to work on?
solid nova
Yes
strange python
yes
fluid oriole
Sweet 😄 Toon is Twitch - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JfvTZxGgzKjLV9dt - Possibly need to try being better at multi-dotting targets
strange python
First glance, read the pins and read up on rotation.
And you also overcap combopoints alot
solid nova
You're not potting either
strange python
mutilate > mutilate > TB > mutilate > envenom, just wierd castsequence
mutilate > mutilate > TB > Vendetta > Mutilate > Envenom
So yea, read the pins @fluid oriole about rotations and you should improve quite alot.
fluid oriole
Ok thanks 😃 will start there and work on it
strange python
Your uptime on bleed is good, thats something atleast 😃
stable pine
Almy trinket any good?
novel rapids
anyone knows what is our haste cap?
drifting cloud
solid nova
No caps, just different points where it will be devalued compared to other secondaries
Which varies between players
quick ice
In theory haste cap is when you attack so often you crash blizzard servers
There's a softy cap when you have enough energy Regen to cast mutilate every gcd
strange python
I like being a machinegun when i attack tho 😭
past star
Anybody else sometimes have problems with Venomous wounds not working correctly?
Damn im dense
ive been playing too much outlaw
my poisons had run out
solid nova
Yikes
strange python
^^
lament dove
hm, now that you mention it, isn't there some WA that beeps when a certain buff reached x minutes left?:)
strange python
theres poisons WA yes
winter gale
Luxthos wa's are nice imo
U have everything u need. Im not a pro obviously but they seem nice
Clean and tidy
lament dove
thanks, I might check that out, had my moments when I started on a raid boss without poisons^^
winter gale
Just import them. U have complete guide on utube.
verbal mantle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
solid nova
If its already made its literally copy > /wa > import > paste lol
unkempt tangle
hey ! I just dropped Gallecaller's Boon (395 socketed \o/). Wanted to understand how to play with it. Assumption is use :
1- Use when not going to move for 10sec
2- Use during 1 out of 2 vendetta (preferably after the first few seconds to minimize overcapping energy too much)
3- Outside of vendetta, sync it with TB and not without it --> meaning can delay TB or GCB a few seconds
rigid mango
GCB makes it possible to comfy get 3 env in TB window if you pool a little bit, that's where i use it most
Without hero, that is
But yeah, using it to psync up with CD's like MA Vanish if you're running that to max out the crit value
solid nova
@unkempt tangle
How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2:25
As pinned 😄
solid nova
arctic harness
I thought you hold exsan for vendetta, not hold vendetta for exsan
Or do you just mean for the second vendetta when you wait for it to line with vanish
eager kernel
races are pretty close on bloodmallet u can see a sim for races aswell
solid nova
2:25 would be your second vendetta yes
strange python
are you honestly thinking for zandalar race change?
safe relic
no im just bored of undead and want to take the 100% from my rogue even with a race change
strange python
i am be and i dont know...i am thinking of zandalar
vast forum
If you don't play at 100%, there are better things to worry about than race
And just about no1 plays at 100%
olive wharf
Be like me: play Nightborne and fuck the haters 👍
strange python
hi, do we have to play with poison bomb in m+ (for 14/15/16 + keys) ?
or better to play with tempest ?
rose sapphire
I hate we lack Aoe compared to outlaw 😦
obsidian sierra
With 3b and 2-3 ss you have a good mix of aoe and st and might mostly end up top overall dps
Dont just judge on reaping dmg
vast forum
Assa lacking aoe, what meme is this?
patent topaz
with 3x ss, 1x eb, 1x tc and 1x scent I got beat on reaping waves by other dps I ran with - frost mage, shadow priest windwalker, dh. I was mostly first overall though
obsidian sierra
I mean mages can easily pull 250k , as assa its hard to get there my max was 130 but assa will still be more dmg on all other trahs
wild stone
How does one multi Target or cleave with 3DD and no SS? Specifically the first 3 Mythic fights in BoD
pseudo hamlet
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prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
wild stone
Do I still garrote adds in the first 2 Mythic bosses?