assassination

[solid nova]

If your group is consistent etc

[strange python]

That is true!

[solid nova]

I wouldnt use it as gospel but i certainly think it has value, especially with added experience of certain dungeons / other peoples playstyles

[strange python]

Yes, you are correct. It is a good start. I just know, from experience at the beginning of season 1, that I atleast was way to much focused on simming high dps in m+ than I was at playing good and doing the right thing.

[sinful lotus]

Hello everyone, quick trinket question: Hero Dmg has the Mekatork Gigavolt trinket simming at lower value than Plumage. However, when i Sim myself, my 385 Gigavolt trinket sims higher than my 375 Plumage. Any idea why that may be? Unless I'm reading their graph incorrectly, a 370 Plumage beats out a 400 Gigavolt trink.

[void gazelle]

How many envenoms should fit in TC buff time. When vendetta running I can fit 3, but only 2 without vendetta. I usually stack 100-11penergy before TC but it's not enough for 3 envenoms. Should I stack more?

[dapper bough]

herodamage is simming stuff with a specific gear and if your stats are different it may affect what trinkets are best for you, I THINK BUT IM NOT SURE Pickle

[quick ice]

HD shows 370 plumage a little better than 385, but like torou said, depends on gear, talents, etc

[spring prawn]

does the new bleed dmg trinket scale with mastery?

[quick ice]

doubt it

[spring prawn]

cuz it sims higher then my 370 galecaller, 9% haste

ST that is

[zenith gust]

how can i avoid being dps smashed by outlaws in opulence in the adds phase? :/ i am 1st in dps in my guild the whole fight until the adds come out, then i'm just wiped off skada

[dapper bough]

go outlaw

Which gem do they use and which gem do you use

and outlaw aoe is quite strong

[quick ice]

they probably do less boss damage than you

[zenith gust]

opal all

[spice surge]

quite strong is an understatement

[spring prawn]

tell a healer to tunnel you for 100% buff, get the 100'% crit buff, stack ur red gem, use all CDS ez clap

[dapper bough]

I wanna take the amethyst as a rogue tbh

as any class for that matter, would be fun

[quick ice]

can just vial before the big cast if yuou don't trust healers 😃

[dapper bough]

It's for the 50% haste

[quick ice]

also nic

e

[spice surge]

Cant take it though

[sinful lotus]

@quick ice @dapper bough yes that makes sense, Versa is a low stat for me atm. Thank you guys 😃

[strange python]

I did almost 35k dps on opulence as Assa Rogue. I just timed Vendetta with Vanish and Hero. Vendetta boss, and the FoK Env, FoK Env, FoK Env. With the energy from Vandetta and MA from vanish. It was fun:)

[steep obsidian]

grats on not having to be ruby bitch

[night vale]

True that, I was ruby bitch last night and on the melee unfriendly side, RIP logs

[quick ice]

which side is the melee unfriendly side?

[vestal wren]

left

[night vale]

Did like 20k plus in p1... well I hate the left side

Yeah

[vestal wren]

on opulance

[quick ice]

I haven't ever done left, so I wasn't sure 😃

[vestal wren]

the issue is you need to run out on left sight, but dont need to on left

so you have higher uptime on right

[night vale]

Yeah it’s toxic... you have to run out of melee with rebuffs and there’s a laser beam that people kite through melee for some reason

[dapper bough]

because fuck melee

[vestal wren]

i was left last pull and our tank on the site went full 🙃 witht he boss and tanked it within voids

[dapper bough]

Btw why don't they give the ruby to hunters

[spring prawn]

which gem do you guys usually use?

[vestal wren]

opal

[night vale]

Opal

[quick ice]

hunters are good for topaz I think?

[spring prawn]

ooooooooh

i did 26k dps with ruby lul

guess wouldve been more w opal xd

[dapper bough]

i use emerald since on nm/hc the boss doesn't last long enough for it to give me more damage than emerald (unless i'm getting fucked and need to move constantly)

[quick ice]

I missed opulence this week 😦

[night vale]

I got my pretty crown this week

😂

[vestal wren]

nice transmog

[steep obsidian]

i never get the prolonged pot from the crown

triggers me

[night vale]

I got the 400 stats gem last night

[steep obsidian]

its pretty damn good

yeah that the one

save a bit of gold from agi pots in m+ 😛

[night vale]

Yeah didn’t even realise and someone in guild said open your crown... I thought it was a 1 time use thing

[steep obsidian]

i thought youd just get jc gems

[night vale]

Yeah it’s pretty fun tbh, nice touch

[vestal wren]

haha ^^

[night vale]

I blasted last night though... been playing sub all xpac, switching to Sin last night... first time playing it on mythic champions... topped the dps in my guild with 23k

Was very pleased with myself

Although deffo made mistakes as it was my first try playing the spec

[dapper bough]

is the 400 stats gem anygood ?

i mean compared to other prepots

[night vale]

You can use it in addtion to another prepot iirc

So it’s pretty decent yeah

[dapper bough]

wut

[night vale]

Yeah I macro’d it in with my prepot

Let me check logs that they both worked

1 sec

[steep obsidian]

it does invoke the pot timer

so it both work thats a bug that will prolly get fixed

that would be stuper strong

[night vale]

Wait yeah I check logs... they both didn’t go off

Nvm! Ignore me

[steep obsidian]

i use it for pre pot when i dont have cds on the pull

and it beelds over into vendetta too most of the time

and saves gold 😛

[night vale]

That’s a good idea actually!

[steep obsidian]

it depends though i guess a lot of tanks will plan pulls around the groups cds

[fallow estuary]

2x HC - 2x NHC - First two down in mythic - still simming below 20k

this damn slot machine game

[steep obsidian]

I try not to hold vendetta too much coz you lose so many useages im not a pro though

[night vale]

Quick question we usually vanish about 25 seconds into the fight to put another empowered garotte on. Then do I hold vendetta to line it up with vanish again?

If this is covered somewhere else feel free to link me :)

Trying to learn

[fallow estuary]

Yea you do @Simno

[steep obsidian]

yeh unless you are running xsang

then it would be sooner

[solid nova]

You hold vanish for vendetta yes

[night vale]

Fantastic thank you guys 😃

[steep obsidian]

you sync them up for 2nd time unless for some reason the boss is gonna die

[fallow estuary]

Nah Richard you hold Vendetta for Vanish

Other way round

If the Boss dies <2Min (1st Boss for example) you hold vanish till you get a 2nd pot together with TB

[night vale]

Ah okay that makes sense, yeah I feel like I get the spec mainly, just trying to get my CD and 2 pot timing down

[solid nova]

[devout jolt]

Started the night last night with 2 x SS and exsang build, ended 3 x DD and 3 x NP MA/TB build

[dapper bough]

I didn't get a single upgrade from normal and hc bod last night

Pretty sad

I still have 380 weapons

[stable fog]

hi! so i have a 385 golden plumage and a 395 Galecaller which one is better to line up with vendetta im thinking plumage as i already get inc. attackspeed from vendetta and versa gives some nice envenom crits during vendetta or am i completly wrong?

[hollow vine]

galecaller is better if you can stay in it and especially with xsang

[dapper bough]

vendetta increases attack speed ?

[stable fog]

nevermind misread it

[strange python]

So I am doing "good" dps in parse. But it look like it is all my ilvl. Ilvl parse I and shit. I know I am overcapping some CPs due to laggtolerance and also I timed my opener wrong. But I don't get how it can make that big of a difference :s

[stable fog]

inc dmg not attackspeed 😛

[quick ice]

I'd go with galecaller

[stable fog]

aight..ty for your input guys

[night vale]

Hmm, trying to get used to the spec, can anyone help me out regards Vendetta and vanish? The top log on grong heroic appears to cast vendetta then 20 secs later vanish (rather than line them up)

Is this correct, if so it appears to just be a cast vendetta and vanish on CD rather than line them up.

Full link if anyone wants to take a closer look https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L6raYMPGTVgmdAQZ#fight=34&type=casts&source=5&view=timeline

[dark crag]

Probably a case of ss

[night vale]

ss?

[dark crag]

Shrouded suffocation

[night vale]

not sure i follow, does having SS mean you wouldnt want to line vendetta up with vanish and garottes?

[dark crag]

Look at the openers in the assa guide

[quick ice]

think he's asking about the 2nd vend/vanish

[solid nova]

That 2nd one is a misplay

Vendetta expires before he casts vanish

[night vale]

yeah i thought so, i get using vedetta early but you'd wanna capture the vanish empowered garottes at the end right?

[dark crag]

There is only one case there you cast the
2nd vendetta as soon as it comes of cd.
When the boss dies 21 sec later after vendetta came of cd

Or you play ma

[night vale]

okay thanks guys, so if i was making a WA to help me abit.

because for the 2nd vanish and vendetta they will be roughly 20 seconds out of sync.

So if i wanna capure the vanish empowered garottes at the end of vendetta i could make a weakaura that makes vendetta glow (meaning i should consider casting it) when vanish cooldown is <=15 seconds?

[fallow estuary]

It doesn't work like that Snimo

If you cast one garrote at the end of vendetta

[fair blaze]

But you want to have vendetta during your full duration of empowered garrote

[fallow estuary]

it doesn't get +30% buffed for the whole garrote duration

[night vale]

ah okay i see now

[fair blaze]

If you are not sure about the fight lenght, for example boss have 1.5 million and vanish is coming in next 20 sec, you can consider pressing vendetta without vanish

Otherwise you are syncing them together

[night vale]

right right, makes sense, was just going through top grong logs and struggling to find someone who played it like that (3 min fight)

[steep obsidian]

well you are only gonna get one extra vendetta apart from pull and one vanish at 3 mins so that is easy

[night vale]

Yeah that’s definitely what the simcraft APL is doing, was just looking at top logs expecting see see everyone holding vendetta to pop with vanish at around 2:30ish. But couldn’t find anyone that did, which is interesting

[vestal wren]

high logs dont nessecery mean best/most efficient play

also simc is not perfect, if you find sth that would improve the apl you can discuss/ask in #tc-research

[nimble tartan]

Any other yulon boys in the chat

[steep obsidian]

yeah like if i had a trinket with an agi proc and only one extra use of vend left it might be smart to my extra vanish + vend for when it procs same with delaying cds for a damage phase or important a lot of it is encounter specific

[fickle viper]

@rose perch does spotter work on both tentacles last boss Siege?

[rigid mango]

What's the general rotation on medium-big pulls in m+

5-6 taget and 10+

[fickle viper]

shrouded? crimson tempest?

[rigid mango]

Got no SS but a couple EB and DD

And I'm currently running MA and PB

[fickle viper]

Then i dont know tbh, for SS the quick n dirty tldr is G G G CT - FOK RUPTURES - FOK CTs

G's are garrotes

[rigid mango]

Yeah got that

I've just got no clue if I should just be spamming fok or try to dot up first

[fickle viper]

No idea either tbh, my completely unfounded feelycraft guess would be 3x FOK out of stealth into dots at high target count with some EBs

if uve got MA

(pls dont take my word for it)

[rigid mango]

Yeah I've only played outlaw and sub and both are really straight forward for the most part

@solid nova what's the go to aoe rotation for 5-7 targets and 10+?

Running MA and PB, got 2x EB and 2x DD on my pieces

[rose perch]

@fickle viper Yes it does!

[cosmic pier]

how are people finding the no SS rotation? really tempted to drop 100 sim dps to pickup 1 ss, just because it makes the opener so much smoother

[vestal wren]

there is no harm running 1x ss if you like it

[fickle viper]

@rose perch actually completely free boss during bolstering then lmao

one shot every tentacle

[rose perch]

well it also kills the engineer so you gotta be careful lol

[fickle viper]

oh shit

[rose perch]

you can hit the edge of the gripping's hitbox so it doesn't kill the engy tho

[fickle viper]

can u kjill the engi in any other way? ive never seen him die

not even to the call of deep swirls eitehr

[rose perch]

no just spotter i think

[fickle viper]

classic blizz interaction

[cosmic pier]

also when pooling for a TB window, if you end up on 5cp (2cp > mut > 5cp from proc) is it better just to waste the 1cp from TB so you dont get energy fucked for the window?

[fickle viper]

Have you tried SSing to the boss with spotter artillery to see if it hits boss directly?

Cant remember if they gave boss 99% dmg reduction or not cause of some issues at start of exp

[latent gazelle]

So you can use a spotter to help kill tentacles in siege? I 100% didn’t know that would work

[rose perch]

Yeah without bolstering active it doesn't 1-shot or anything, but you can 1-shot tentacles with a bolstered spotter - you just have to be really careful not to kill the kul tiran engineer. I've tried using it to damage the boss directly too @fickle viper but I think it always lands below the hitbox when I do

[latent gazelle]

That’s good to know. Thanks for that.

[signal crag]

anyone else seeing methods rogues are running 2-3 SS?

[strange python]

Maybe they predict downtime from running. Just guessing but then you rather have heavy hitting dots than to relay on being able to Mutilate the boss on CD.

Correct me if I am wrong but... In heavy movement SS is better than DD?

[random scroll]

As long as you don't cap your energy it doesn't matter

[rose perch]

SS is better than DD if you're like off the boss for 1 minute every 2 minutes or something

like if the ratio of time in cooldowns vs. time out of cooldowns increases

but i don't think that happens in anything really

[quartz depot]

lads what azerite piece do i buy

[plain thistle]

415 chest is the best option, since our bis helmet is from the first boss and shoulder is from jadefire (third boss for horde) 😃

and chest is from mekkatorque, much later boss

[quartz depot]

yeah i thought so, since 2nd traits on grong chest are pretty poor

[plain thistle]

yeah

[quartz depot]

got dd & dagger/twist

could be worse

it's not the dd/ss one tho 😄

[light narwhal]

or buy SS/EB items for m+

[scarlet wing]

Hello. I have one question. How does Echo blades work? Can we chain pull?

Tooltip is rly shit

[royal lantern]

the tooltip says it all?

you use FoK

it gets flat bonus dmg

[scarlet wing]

and the extra crits? its just the first 5 after comming out of combat?

[royal lantern]

everytime you crit an enemy with FoK there will be another burst coming out of that enemy that deals bonus dmg

max 5burst for each FoK cast

nah, each cast

[scarlet wing]

if we pull 8 mobs. Just the first 5 crits throw also a combo?

[royal lantern]

yeha, the bonus dmg burst is max 5 enemys

you can crit more, but the burst only happens on 5

[scarlet wing]

wow that is insane

[rigid mango]

If I wanna spam one dungeon for a weapon, what would it be?

[primal gazelle]

freehold

[rigid mango]

Vers mast weapon is the best?

[primal gazelle]

no but there's other good loot in freehold thats great for rogues

[rigid mango]

yy but weapon specif

[verbal mantle]

There is a good dagger in Tol Dagor

[primal gazelle]

dice, high haste ring, crit mas boots, weapon

[rigid mango]

I'm in dire need of weapons

[royal lantern]

inc: you drop the trinket

[primal gazelle]

nowadays your stat priority is probably haste=mastery>crit>verse

then shrine

[rigid mango]

I'm still rocking a shitty 370 pvp weapon

[primal gazelle]

shrine drops haste/mast dagger

[rigid mango]

says crit/vers for me

[primal gazelle]

oh

sry bad memory then haha

check kings rest

[rigid mango]

y

KR

KR is so aids though

[primal gazelle]

KR is good too, that trinket is strong

[verbal mantle]

KR/Tol Dagor are the best imho

[rigid mango]

Yeah I'd do them, but I won't be spamming KR on tyr

[hollow junco]

tol dagor is eeeeasy this week

[rigid mango]

Yeah but not KR

Also, what's my general rotation for 5-7 mob pulls and 10+?

[royal lantern]

*tol dagor is easy in general

[rigid mango]

Do i get ruptures/garrotes out before spamming fok?

[royal lantern]

well, you need energy right?

[verbal mantle]

you can garrote 3 targets out of stealth using Subterfuge, then FoK Rupture all of them

[silent silo]

You would be using fok as your generator with that many mobs also

[rigid mango]

Been using MA

[verbal mantle]

ha

best combo is SS/EB in dungeon

imho

mad ST, mad AoE

[rigid mango]

yeah I've got a couple EB and some DD'

[scarlet wing]

ss just work when you come out of stealth with extra dmg or?

[verbal mantle]

Subterfuge is mandatory with SS

you can put 3 buffed garrote out of stealth

[rigid mango]

Aight, well none of my pieces have SS so

What'd it be without any SS traits

[primal gazelle]

what item is in tol thats good for rogs?

[verbal mantle]

in this case idk, I didnt play a dungeon without SS+Subterfuge

Dagger

this one

https://www.wowhead.com/item=159131/howlis-crystal-shiv&bonus=4776

[scarlet wing]

garrote just deals the additional damage with ss from stealth or?

[primal gazelle]

you want crit mas for m+ or mastery haste for raids

crit haste is meh

[scarlet wing]

my sims tell me crit versa

[serene basin]

ya @scarlet wing

[scarlet wing]

full crit versa

3x eb 3x ss

[real bay]

SS causes garrote to always deal more damage per tick

[verbal mantle]

indeed, that dagger may not be the best but heh, sims are different

[primal gazelle]

i put tol/temple/wm on my blacklist for m+ farming because there's nothing in there thats optimized well for rogues, better options else where

[spring prawn]

engineering goggles still BIS?

[verbal mantle]

top rogues who progress got it yeh

[lusty saddle]

any point in saving titan shit to get 415 shoulders instead of 400?

[serene basin]

not unless you're in some hurry to get gear

heroic dazar is pretty easy

ss helm drops off first boss

[lusty saddle]

i got them all but shoulders

[serene basin]

I would save a bit, chances are you get a few 400 pieces in 1-2 weeks

and can optimize

[lusty saddle]

only have single trait shoulders

[midnight ibex]

Should be able to get 415 next week, if you saved well

[lusty saddle]

got 1233

[midnight ibex]

yeh 1 more week then

[serene basin]

yea you should save

[lusty saddle]

might aswell then. ty for advice

[serene basin]

hey man, i hope you get a titanforged harlan's dice

🙏

[verbal mantle]

Im saving it rn as well

rofl, with a socket ofc

[serene basin]

put an armor penetration gem in

😎

[lusty saddle]

i wish deathbringers will could scale to 425il

[verbal mantle]

I wish many things heh

[spring prawn]

how come all rogue wear engineer helmet eventho 1st boss azerite has BIS traits?

[primal gazelle]

because they can craft a 415 version of it prior to mythic week so they are able to trade gear around

its not necessarily bis, more of a convenience thing

[spring prawn]

oh ok

[unkempt tangle]

At 5CB with TB up, should we tb then evenom (losing 1-2 cb) or the other way ard (losing some dmg on envenom)?

[verbal mantle]

Id envenom, mutilate then TB
I might be wrong tho, I play exsang

[solid nova]

It's better to use TB at 5CP.

[sturdy python]

^

[verbal mantle]

Ah that's it then

[sturdy python]

As eleem puts it, the one wasted cp is 20% of an envenom. Tb buffs the envenom by 30%

[verbal mantle]

indeed, makes sense

TIL

[dusty vigil]

Do you guys have any advice for Oppulence? I did my first BoD raid yesterday, and I have no idea what went wrong, but my log is shit. Help? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wBV3kQ4dnGFqTmxt#fight=11

[plain thistle]

normal opulance is full pading

1 healer 1 tank left side, rest of the raid right side, get opal gem wait for the adds and nuke the boss 😃

if you do normally, your log will suck

[devout jolt]

^ with that, does the raid blast through the right and get on boss why the left side really slowly makes their way through?

[final stone]

we almost 21k boissss !!

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/Btzys38ibeR9HBCA5L6aE

[leaden locust]

hey guys, i've got a question, am i right to assume if i used exsang i refresh as the bleeds are about to run out? or the usual 5-6 sec on garrote and 7-8 sec on rupture?

[final stone]

gimee some weapons plsss

[plain thistle]

@devout jolt you just kill 1 side, go to boss and kill the boss, the other side boss will despawn after a while

never tried on HC, but on normal with heroic/mythic gear is super easy

[final stone]

@leaden locust yeah when you have exan going refresh dots last second to get full exan dmg

[leaden locust]

cool, thanks 😃

[dusty vigil]

Im sry, but what does padding mean? And how do I kill the adds? Just go straight boss or cleave?

[vestal wren]

padding means if you only for the purpose of logs focus on aoe

[bronze topaz]

is anyone playing the gnome trinket? how bad does it feel?

[zealous lily]

SS is super sick on a lot of bosses because of the amount of 2 target

[sturdy python]

@plain thistle so the left side tank and healers just wait for the despawn and walk to boss?

[zealous lily]

on ape the bots always come out every 2:00 starting at the ~:20 so the lineups are flawless

on mythic ideally you get 3 garrotes if they spawn in opposite corner you will prob only get 2

[plain thistle]

yup 😂

[zealous lily]

pure ST sim gonna be misguiding on most bosses except for mekka , conclave to some extent, rastakhan, parts of stormwall

rasta pretty much all ST

opulence depends on your gem but a lot of it is ST

[devout jolt]

I want to try that so bad 😛 Doesnt the boss get a buff if the golems arent killed or are they negate-able?

[plain thistle]

not sure, probably not on normal? I dont really know

[devout jolt]

I get green on Op, which is nice

[bronze topaz]

would you play ss over dd at the ape? (same slot)

[crisp shard]

Anyone with experience on this kind of build? Opener, prioritizing and when to hold cds?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bxi7yHSA2qaKCTMD5tp8UF

[zealous lily]

wann on mythic to do more damage overall and more to the bots

you will top damage on bots with 3x ss

if you want to do more damage to ape and to one bot at a time run DD

no other class will top you on 3 target so long as you get good spawns (not opposite side)

[bronze topaz]

i assume dd is better for the raid 😄

[zealous lily]

as gear goes up and your raid is all 415+ then Ss will get worse on ape

no

it's not

you need to kill the bots

really fast

they are prio

[hollow stone]

Grong is the patchwerk boss of the raid... dd is better

[zealous lily]

ape is not such a big deal

nonsense

[bronze topaz]

@zealous lily alright thanks m8 😃

[hollow stone]

The only add that's hard prior is the first one of the two that spawn

[zealous lily]

it depends on yoru comp of course but there are times when the damage check on the bots is very very very tight.

[hollow stone]

After that its soft prio if you do orbs properly

[strange python]

on opulence which traits did you guys run

and which gem

the earthen or the opal?

maybe eb could be could

or some scent of blood

[wary ice]

EB might be over kill

[hollow stone]

Depends if you wanna pad to parse or do it properly

[wary ice]

I'd just go opal + standard ST shit

[bold hearth]

Depends on your raid's damage, if you kill him before 2nd wave of adds or as they come out earthern is better.

[hollow stone]

If you wanna pad, and it's a short kill, go emerald and eb. If you wanna do it right or your kill is slower, go opal and normal st bis gear you have

[bold hearth]

If you have a CD phase after 2nd phase of adds then Opal is better.

[silent silo]

Or you can be me and be stuck with ruby...

[hollow stone]

I did my ruby duty this week. Now i get months of not ruby. Yaaaaay

[dapper bough]

you're talking about bots on ape

is that horde version ?

[hollow stone]

Does ally not have the apetagonizer adds that need to be swapped to so you can do the orb mechanic?

[dapper bough]

we do but it's a banshee

and only one spawn

you get multiple adds ?

[hollow stone]

True. 2 on mythic

[dapper bough]

ok ok

[edgy wharf]

Nothing Personal dont stack energy right?

[dapper bough]

right

[edgy wharf]

so only one is worth right?

[devout jolt]

I'm using 3 atm ha

[desert vault]

What kind of numbers should sin rogues be doing overall in m+ assuming just 10-12 keys? Like 20k+? I'm only doing like 16-18k typically and see so many other classes doing 20k+

[edgy wharf]

@devout jolt why? xD

[devout jolt]

gives me the best result, 3 np and 3 dd

Ive had fuck all loot luck so far

😦

[edgy wharf]

3dd 1 np and 2 ss arent better?

[devout jolt]

if i had SS, probably

[hollow stone]

Its still early in the tier. You use what you have available to you

[austere scarab]

3DD, 2TC, 1 SS x_x

[hollow stone]

Give the guy some credit

[vast tulip]

Hi do Overwhelming Power stack if you use all 3x azer gear?

[hollow stone]

Yes

[vast tulip]

ty

[primal gazelle]

looks like another ranged friendly tier lol with melee on the bench

[upbeat ibex]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

[hollow stone]

Every tier is ranged friendly. Melee get a few bosses (like rastakhan)

[shut willow]

Hey guys, better DD x3 with Master assassin or SS x3 with subterfuge ?

[sturdy python]

Depends on situation. St ddx3 assuming same ilvl

[lone junco]

opal is getting nerfed in half isnt it.

20x

20%

[potent monolith]

if i have 2 Overwhelming Power it is worth or it dont stak?

[bold hearth]

Where did you see that opal is getting nerfed?

[robust axle]

SS isnt that good on Singletarget

[lost sentinel]

SS is fine on ST, I basically sim the same as DD with SS

[lost horizon]

Helps if you're using exsang already

[spice surge]

Dd+tb is better for st overall than ss+exsang

[lone junco]

@bold hearth just my assumption. anything that I enjoy or look forward to, tends to get nerfed.

[bold hearth]

If they nerfed Opal it would just make the earthern one best in all scenarios

[strange python]

can any1 tell me what i did wrong on the first mythic boss? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackrock/elaradiel?mode=detailed&zone=21#difficulty=5&boss=2265

[agile elk]

i’ve been given the choice between emerald or opal on mythic opulence: what do

[upbeat slate]

Emerald 😎

[cosmic pier]

@strange python yeah your team took way to long to kill it

never gonna parse with a kill that slow

[strange python]

@cosmic pier class mechanicals look ok "i rerolled after uldir to rogue"

[cosmic pier]

try to avoid using garrtoe or rupture inside tb

[hollow stone]

@agile elk def opal for mythic

[strange python]

so spamm envenom

[ripe nimbus]

You use TB on cooldown it literally doesn't matter if u garrote or rupture inside it

[cosmic pier]

sure, but in an ideal rotation you plan ahead to try and prevent it

especially with DD traits

[bleak spoke]

There’s generally leeway with pandemic to let you do that

[hollow stone]

Man, the mut/dd crits in the ma window when running 3dd are insaaaane

[lone junco]

if you can get 2 env in the TB sneaking in the garrote is great. when you miss the 2nd Env, it sucks.

i havent enjoyed DD, but have only run 2x max

[hollow stone]

Im playing OL atm cause the loot gods decided i should and gave me weaps

[dapper bough]

i have 3 DD, 2 SS, 1 TC sub + exsange is my life for eternity it seems

[hollow stone]

I wanna come back

[bleak spoke]

Exsang is pretty fun to me

[dapper bough]

I love it

I prefer exsang over tb

[cosmic pier]

currently on 3 DD 2 TC 1 SS, feels pretty good to me. really dont like the non-SS opener

[bleak spoke]

Like you can miss so much uptime and snap back most of your damage without any issues

Like on the first boss of King’s etc

[dapper bough]

I love dem pull with gcb + vendetta + hero

• exsang

[bleak spoke]

I think hardest thing to do with exsang gale is to hold it all for fourth exsang so many times I get that paranoia that it’ll be over too soon

[hollow stone]

The ma opener can be massive tho, if you get lucky crits. I fit 4 env in my tb window cause it was literally double m crit env, double mut crit, env. Spiked to like 55k on pull

[lone junco]

Exang is weak sauce compared to bota exang in legion.

but the vanish subterfuge GG makes up for that.

[primal gazelle]

anyone tested it out if Vanish--> Muti, Envneom, Multi
is better than Vanish --> Envneom->Multi -> Envenom
With 3 DD traits?

for the dd crits

[hollow stone]

Maybe. Im dumpstering the other sin rogues that are running ss still

[cosmic pier]

people with MA simming ahead, what are you stats like?

[bleak spoke]

Isn’t dd not guaranteed

[cosmic pier]

its so far behind for me

[bleak spoke]

Like if you don’t apply poisons

Or do crits force application

[lone junco]

@bleak spoke DD applies when you double apply duing mut

[primal gazelle]

itll be rng still

[lone junco]

aka env up bumps you to 80%?

[bleak spoke]

Yeh that’s what I mean

[lone junco]

so it is DD rng on crit rng

[bleak spoke]

So if you never envenomed before the ma window then yikes

[hollow stone]

Havent played around w it. Still doing env m env. But ive been wondering the same

[spark hollow]

just got 415 galecaller boon on outlaw

is it time to swap Kappa

[primal gazelle]

galecaller is so last tier

[lone junco]

but we see people at 42% crit flat. so adding MA to that would be nice.

[spark hollow]

rip

[plain thistle]

@cosmic pier https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bLYvESRuA3dvQh69vUWJMv

I have like, 42% mastery

[bleak spoke]

I honestly like mastery’s effect on the dps meter for me, when I get more of it the dam feels so beefy

But I play mostly dungeons

[cosmic pier]

yeah mine are pretty even 16 haste 25 crit 35 mast https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/omdgfFuRn4nmzrAyZL5gbE

[rigid mango]

What bosses are you guys rerolling on in BoD?

[plain thistle]

damn, almost 23k before 400 ilvl, nice

[rigid mango]

BFD*

[lone junco]

I did see some sims with MP being very near EP

so we may be sliding into DD/MP/MA territory with crit mastery stacks

DD Twist time

[primal gazelle]

is DD's proc buffed by MP?

[plain thistle]

MP still 1.3% behind for me, even with 3 DD + MA + 40%+ mastery

[cosmic pier]

MP is closer than MA for me 😛 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dXGdcacyAscaRGaPtSh7xC

[plain thistle]

yeah, even with only 1 SS I feel like MA will never be better than subterfuge

[lone junco]

prob

[plain thistle]

simply because SS is garbage with MA 😂

[hollow stone]

Without ss, subt is like 0.8% less dmg in my gear. I think youre right

[lone junco]

do you think the Crit stack CP gen will offset the loss of E from haste.

[cosmic pier]

yeah the only other option on that chest is the healing patch

lmao

[jagged gazelle]

Guys

What traits do you use this week

for m+

[cosmic pier]

good ones

[hollow stone]

The ones we have because everyone is still gearing up

[lone junco]

3ss 1eob 2 twisth with 42 crit.

k go

[cosmic pier]

ideally 2-3 ss, 1-2 eb and a sob

[jagged gazelle]

Scent of blood is good only on fortified weeks right?

oh?

[cosmic pier]

dpeends on key level

[jagged gazelle]

I mean I usually run +10 with friends

[hollow stone]

And group

[lone junco]

pretty sure scent faded with EoB

[cosmic pier]

eh not worth at 10

[hollow stone]

And other option

[cosmic pier]

i still like sob, but i do higher keys

[lone junco]

3ss gospel tho

[visual quartz]

If your lucky to have lots of options great, most ppl roll with what they got

[cosmic pier]

also depends on dungeon, and that fact we have very few options with gear atm

[primal gazelle]

running with 3 eb 2 sob 1 ss right now in farming keys, would much prefer 3 eb 3 ss tho

[cosmic pier]

ooh yeah 3 ss is gucci

[visual quartz]

But 3xSS is just so juicy

[cosmic pier]

im currently 3 ss 2 sob 1 eb

wish it was 2 eb 1 sob

its pretty juice with 2 sob though, 4 ruptures is ~1100 extra agi

makes your FoKs fat

[hollow stone]

Yea, although i think that 3rd eb pushes it over the top. Methinks we want 2ss 3eb 1sob

[primal gazelle]

1000*

youll want 3 eb for sure, the 3rd stack is a massive increase over the 2nd

[north star]

should i go with hidden blades for reaping?

[hollow stone]

No

[cosmic pier]

nah

its bad

[tribal marlin]

anyone can help me I have 2 use trinket and one is set to be used only on SoD the other one on CD, I want to make APL use the first one on pull any idea what line to add ?

[feral flower]

Anyone know if Multi-Sided Strike on Jadefire can be Evasioned?

[hollow stone]

Hidden blades is poop

[feral flower]

In mythic

[north star]

so just poison bomb as usual?

[hollow stone]

Pb or ct

[cosmic pier]

eh depends on the rest of dungeon

[hollow stone]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

[cosmic pier]

and your pull sizes

[north star]

alright thanks

[cosmic pier]

reaping is kinda just padding, other classes can deal with it a lot better

dh, boomy, etc

[feral flower]

sub way more fun for reaping

[hollow stone]

Yea. If you wanna be a reaping legend and keep playing rogue, go outlaw

[feral flower]

Law not bad too

[cosmic pier]

so i let them go nuts on reaping and i try to go harder on usual pulls

[hollow stone]

Outlaw is one of the best for reaping

Can get like 2-3 brs off in the wave

And constant bf

Shit gets real

[lone junco]

80K?

[torpid inlet]

!sub

[cosmic pier]

but in a meta comp having 3 classes just smashing reaping is kinda pointless, 2 is enough

[torpid inlet]

fk wrong one

[hollow stone]

Ez 80k

[cosmic pier]

when you hit the fat poison bomb on reaping though its nuts

legion throwback for sure

[lone junco]

Makes sense why seli went TB/PB and said more prio. cause his DH is blazing the Waves.

but hes still pulling like 29k overall.

[cosmic pier]

yup

[primal gazelle]

ew under 30k overall

[hollow stone]

Yea. You shift based on your group

But outlaw is very strong

[cosmic pier]

i play with dh and shadow priest, those waves melt so fucking fast

[hollow stone]

Does anyone not play m+ w dh rogue in group? Just seems crazy to me

[cosmic pier]

like dh legit cracked 300k dps on first reaping wave in WM

no because theyre the best melee classes

its pretty fucked

[hollow stone]

Eye beam to stack haste. Pop fel barrage. ???. Everything is dead

[cosmic pier]

yup

fucken barrage is dumb

[hollow stone]

Makes bladestorm look like featherstorm. Naw mee

[cosmic pier]

so funny when dh rips threat though tricks and dies anyway

[subtle dew]

Hi everyone i've got two question. First do we have any stat cap ? And if i had 2X DD and 1 SS shoud i stay with subterfuge or take Master Assassin ?

[lone junco]

Only stat cap I see soon is 100% crit during MA

but thats not gonna be common soon.

and >0 SS you will run subterfuge

or dont play ss

[subtle dew]

Ok thx for the answers 😃

[lone junco]

@cosmic pier nice mog

[cosmic pier]

ty 😃 still need the fucking belt

[torpid inlet]

hmm with 3x EB, 2x Scent, 2x SS and 1x DD which talents are best used on Tier row 3, 6 and 7? i find it a though call

[weak isle]

sim

[torpid inlet]

ok but what setting is most accurate then for a M+?

[smoky zinc]

dungeon slice

[torpid inlet]

Patchwerk seems to be off?

[cosmic pier]

dungeon slice

[torpid inlet]

ok

brb

[smoky zinc]

Haven't gotten to do anything on reaping with my rogue while I work on my main. How is Sin holding up?

[cosmic pier]

meh at reaping, still good at normal dungeon

[smoky zinc]

Is outlaw just strictly better assuming equal player skill now?

[solid nova]

For reaping, Id say so yeah

[smoky zinc]

sorry I'm still stuck in 2012 I meant outlaw

I need to learn to play it then

[jagged gazelle]

I know this may be a dumb question to ask but this is the first time me and friends are doing +10 in season 2 and dont really know how reaping works,you have any tips for it and any tips specifically for assa?

[cosmic pier]

just try to restealth before wave comes

also try to garrote caster for the silence

[jagged gazelle]

That much I know

Is the wave tank damage heavy?

[cosmic pier]

depends on the mobs, i dont tank though so i dont know how hard it really is

our tank has been fine in 15s/16s

[jagged gazelle]

I am reading now

What is this thing that you can get a buff for 20% dmg?

and healing

[cosmic pier]

only if you fail timer

to help you finish

[jagged gazelle]

Oooh

thought it would be too op if it was like at the start of dung

Can they be kited and slowed?

[feral flower]

Anyone know if Multi-Sided Strike on Jadefire can be Evasioned?

[hollow stone]

Even if it can, evasion wouldnt help. You need to be facing the brohan to not take dmg and you need to be facing the brohan to dodge

So even if it works, its pointless as it only works if youre already doing the mechanic properly

[dapper bough]

• why would you dodge that it gives you a dps boost 😮

[jagged gazelle]

Also is crimson tempest default choice this week for m+?

[hollow stone]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

[jagged gazelle]

Oh didnt know that existed

ty

[pseudo hamlet]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[strange python]

@cosmic pier you usually going sin for mythic + or outlaw?

[somber mortar]

exsanguinate on cooldown or new garrote and 5 point rupture every time?

assuming i dont rupture over an already applied one for the sake of exsanguinate though?

[bleak spoke]

Can overwrite garrotes and ruptures before the pandemic timer so you can exsang on cd

But if I mess up usually I delay exsang to at least put a long rupture on

[somber mortar]

only just starting to play assa, am i right to feel incredibly energy starved in comparison to outlaw?

[bleak spoke]

Depends on situation

If you’re aoe you’re meant to put enough ruptures out (6+) so you’re basically energy capped

In single target generally it should feel a lot slower than outlaw

I tend to pool at 5 cp so I can fit two envenoms in an ep window

[somber mortar]

m+ for example, i assume i just focus on getting 4/5 point ruptures up on everything then just fan/muti for envenom

[bleak spoke]

Like, try to clip the ep window with another finisher rather

Well your top prio is maintaining ct

[lone junco]

@somber mortar its just a slower spec . while I may mash mut 15 times a second, it goes off every 1-2s due to E.

[bleak spoke]

Sometimes in smaller packs with high hp 4-5 or so your first ruptures can be 3 cp just so stuff is dotted

4-5 mobs*

If they’ll live a long while you should focus on being energy positive

[somber mortar]

sorry, "ep window"?

[bleak spoke]

Elaborate planning

[somber mortar]

ah yes i see

[bleak spoke]

The 4 seconds after you envenom or rupture where you get 10% extra dam

So it’s alright to be at 5 cp with assa (or 4) cuz your offhand doesn’t randomly gen cp like sub or outlaw

[somber mortar]

is toxic blade an easier talent to start out with?

[lone junco]

sure

you mash it.

[somber mortar]

feel under pressure building CP in m+ because of the bleeds ticking

[bleak spoke]

Usually it feels nice to hold at 4, extend garrote for 5 etc

In m+ exsang is less complicated

Cuz you don’t have to tunnel a target

Imo

You also get energy regen off exsang

As though you’ve garroted/ruptured an extra target

[somber mortar]

ah ok, il give it a go. one last question, am i building CP with only fans providing there is 3+ mobs?

[bleak spoke]

If you have echoing blades yeh

Otherwise there’s a balance of mutilate and fok in 3t only relevant to poisoned targets

You’ll fok to poison more but you’ll mutilate normally

[minor thicket]

So what is the best dagger for assasinatjon?

[lone junco]

big.

main hand.

[royal lantern]

guildmate got a 420 dagger from m opulence

[lone junco]

offhand is a stat stick so you want a socket

[royal lantern]

and bonus rolled a 420 dagger with socket

._.

[minor thicket]

Greedys folly or whatever is haste and mastery

[lone junco]

I got a 390 socket from a WQ.

lol

[minor thicket]

Shouldn’t we want haste and crit

[bleak spoke]

With a single eb you want to just fok any 2t+

[lone junco]

offhand juice

[bleak spoke]

Yeh I’m still holding a 370 oh with socketo

With a 405 mh and like countless 385s lmao

@royal lantern you can titanforge weapons now?

What the fuck

When’d they remove the 10 ilevel cap

Oh yeah @somber mortar regardless of traits you fok in 4+ targets

[somber mortar]

i gave a few bits to go for tbh

but i picked

2x ss 2x tc 1x dd 1x scent

[bleak spoke]

That’s big dam

In m+ tho if you can change out any of that for echoing blades it’s worth especially if you’re doing higher keys

[royal lantern]

i mean mythic

[bleak spoke]

I’d try to keep the SS tho

[royal lantern]

not hc

im stupid

[bleak spoke]

Oh

How is m opulence anyway

I’m honestly so excited to pull that lmao

But they’ll probably make me play my lock 😦

[civic palm]

A clusterfuck.

[bleak spoke]

How clusterfucky?

[civic palm]

Come to think of it, it's not THAT bad for melee > _> it's just very easy to die.

Sloots kill;

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/372242409?t=06h19m43s

though he is left side > _>

[visual quartz]

So is shadowmeld still not giving subterfuge. it gives me the triple combo points from SS but not the no CD from subt.

[solid nova]

You get the empowered garrote but not the subt bonus yes

[candid jasper]

what are people's openers on multiple targets in a boss setting?

do you do the single target opener and then dot up the second?

[vapid terrace]

thoughts on seductive power vs 1 SS? sims showing dont use the SS, but im not sure what seductive power is like/worth on a practical sense

[fading harness]

Garrote 3 targets first if you use subterfuge @candid jasper

[strange python]

LADS

about to pull help

[fading harness]

Then sometime during the opener you can vanish and triple garrote again

[strange python]

traits for opulence to pad

[fading harness]

Take opal

And gg

[strange python]

ye but which traits

just st

or some eb

[candid jasper]

Lunatik, that sounds like a good opener for a m+ pack

[strange python]

like full aoe

or what

[candid jasper]

but what about if you have a 2 target boss

[crimson girder]

New to assassination from sub. I have a choice between double dose and SS talents. While specced into TB, SS still Sims higher with a patchwerk fight. Anyone wanna fill me in on some logic as to why?

[fading harness]

Garrote A Garrote B Garrote A rupture B

Mutilate rupture A then vendetta

[candid jasper]

I've been doing similar

[fading harness]

Woops, mutilate to 4-5 cp

[candid jasper]

but I actually vendetta then muti rupture

[fading harness]

Either or, i cast vendetta after my dots are going so I use the full 20 secs for envenom only

From vendetta

This is obviously with shrouded suffocation btw, i havnt gathered full ST traits for this tier

But shrouded is good on two target fights

[candid jasper]

yrsj

I'm also running exsang build

so I've been delaying slightly to try to get the longer rupture

but not sure what's working best yet

[fading harness]

Ahh dang I run tb

I like exsang but atleast for this tier any multidot fight requires allot of mobility

I don’t wanna pop exsang then redot shortly after the exsang finishes if a dos priority switches

[rigid mango]

Worth rerolling on opulence for the dagger?

[fading harness]

Weapon dps has the highest stat weights for me

So i always reroll on any dagger drop

[rigid mango]

It'd be my offhand

if It's not ttf

[wispy iron]

is the toxic blade bit that far ahead really ? according my sim its +600 dps, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8dE8qWASfdyYiEobKogbxf#100

however when I tried last time on hc run, I was in the middle of dmg metter of the group

when I switched back to exa I was toping charts, so I am not sure

[fading harness]

I think toxic blade has always been the goto for patchwerk right?

Might be rotation error? Or maybe your just a god with exsang 😀

[wispy iron]

really hard to admit, but it might be rotation error, not sure I need double check logs, I played the uldir with exa only

but even on opener, with exa it skyrocket, with the toxic in middle of the pack

I need to review logs I guess

[fading harness]

I like exsang but my preference for any raid boss is toxic blade while any m+ i always take exsang

[inland path]

can u feint jadefires seven sided strike?

on mythic

[fading harness]

Probably?

It’s not a target ability

More like an aoe skillshot

[inland path]

yeah

thats what i was thinking

[royal lantern]

why would you faint it

if you do it right you dont take dmg

[hollow gyro]

Pre-Feint for anticipated failure 🤔

[rigid mango]

Since I just got an SS piece, does that mean sub is a need?

[civic palm]

CD for anticipated potatos

[hollow gyro]

Anticipate the self-cucking

[civic palm]

Can you even keyboard turn that mechanic?

[royal lantern]

i have 0 SS traits and sub sims still higher the MA for me

[rigid mango]

How does SS change my gameplay?

[royal lantern]

opener and vanish use

its in the pins

[torpid inlet]

hmm which sim style is most accurate for raids like BoD? i think patchwerk feels off.

or at least the recommended style

[civic palm]

off?

[torpid inlet]

when i get the reading that my dps on patchw. is 22K dps at ilvl 381.....

then somthing is off imo

let me make a new sim of my char

il post the url here

[rigid mango]

with SS, how does it change the usage of vanish

SS + Sub

[fair blaze]

@rigid mango You want to use 2 garrotes

Doesn't matter if they are in row or you will fill it with finisher, just use 2 garrotes

[torpid inlet]

so this dps sim says 17K dps at ilvl 381 - 382

[high crypt]

whats the reason for rogues using master assassin on jaina guys?

[torpid inlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tZChfq4h9JrJriFC6N9JMq

[primal gazelle]

because its stronger ST with the traits available

[torpid inlet]

yet on pure ST i can maintain 12-13K dps...

hmm why do i stay behind with 5K

or is patchwerk unrealistic due to movenent involed in most fights and downtimle

[strange python]

12-13k dps on pure ST with a sim saying 17k?

[torpid inlet]

downtime*

[strange python]

seems abit low

[torpid inlet]

idk what i'd do wrongthen

[strange python]

Link logs and you shall get better help

[torpid inlet]

ah, too bad i am not logging something usually..... so idk if i even have a log atm

[strange python]

hard to say whats wrong without seeing how your fights go

[torpid inlet]

indeed.

srry for that.

im just using a dps meter (details ) , to see wether i measure up to my projected dps...

[slender bramble]

It’s def worth even just getting in the habit of logging when you’re playing. Then you’ve got things to go over or share with others for input.

[vapid terrace]

is he talking about dummy dps vs sim?

[leaden seal]

Is there an Assa BiS list in the discord?

[slender bramble]

Sim @vapid terrace

[pseudo hamlet]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[rigid mango]

It doesn't say (I think) what the opener for SS + sub is anywhere on ravenholdt

Would anyone care to enlighten me?

[sand whale]

https://i.imgur.com/F6cH3kM.png

further down for tb

it's all there

[rigid mango]

That's with sub?

[sand whale]

yep if you have ss you generally pair it with subterfuge

[rigid mango]

Fair enough, ta

[wary ice]

does exsang snapshot your haste when its used? IE: if i GCB and Exsang in opener, do ihave to stay in my GCB to get full benefit on the bleeds?

i vaugely remember something that said this but i cant find it

[dark crag]

Down to 20% crit, bad azerite, no luck in m+, what a nice start of the week

[trim haven]

what azerite powers do i need for pvp assassin, single target

[sturdy python]

@wary ice yes it snapshots haste when used

[lone junco]

@wary ice exang snapshots the haste, but you lose any of the passive energy benefits from haste.

[torpid inlet]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

[trim haven]

what azerite powers do i need for pvp assassin, single target

[torpid inlet]

hmm. in what rule is it worth to take CT over PB? big pulls or small pulls? etc...

[trim haven]

aaah

[lone junco]

i would go for SS garrote @trim haven

[trim haven]

what is SS ?

[wary ice]

thank you noobe/tawney

[trim haven]

shrouded suffication ?

[wary ice]

is this in a wowhead guide or something

I cant remember where i saw it

[lone junco]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ FAQ IN PINS-->

[swift prism]

@wary ice Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit dawg look who it is

[thorn fiber]

could I ask someone to check on how I could do better on Opulence based on my logs ? (for the other fights I have a rough idea what went wrong just opulence I don't understand and I don't get what could be done better off WoWanalyze)

[wary ice]

👢 🍵 👏

From what ive lurked on today rose, Im p sure opulence parses are super inflated

[swift prism]

❤

[wary ice]

soa bad parse != necessarily mean you did bad

[thorn fiber]

even for the ilvl parses ?

[wary ice]

From what I've been reading you either down it for progression and get a green or you down it for your parse and your raid memes the shit out of it

[swift prism]

Opulence logs can be skewed because of gem selection too

[wary ice]

I'm sure better assassins would be glad to give it a look over to be sure tohugh

[thorn fiber]

I was stuck in ruby duty this time around would that be the reason i've parsed green?

[dark crag]

Ruby is auto bad parse

[swift prism]

possibly. Could be any number of things. Could be your overall kill speed - the highest parses generally have the lowest kill time.

[dark crag]

You gain nothing, ths others gain their buff and yours

[thorn fiber]

could I link the log just so you guys have a quick look?

[dark crag]

How reliable did you reach p2?

[thorn fiber]

oh I should have specified it's normal opulence so we one shot it

[dark crag]

Oh i thought mythic

[thorn fiber]

yeah I'm a bit on teh scrubby side xD

[dark crag]

On normal logs are worthless, too inflated

And with working emerald even more

[swift prism]

I wouldn't say they're worthless

You can still analyze your own performance - the parsing is less useful, sure, but the log itself isn't

[dark crag]

Your itemlvl parse means more than overall vs mythicraider

[swift prism]

Yeah - same for Heroic, no?

[thorn fiber]

yeah i parsed green on the ilvl one

[dark crag]

Yes. Logs are still valueable to see mistakes and more, parses are what i mean

[thorn fiber]

which was why I wanted to see what I did wrong but I just have no idea this time around ^^;

[dark crag]

Ruby duty is like mythic grong add kick duty

[mystic fractal]

i got put on ruby duty on HC and just ignored my RL since we outgeared it anyway

but i am just RPing a scumbag rogue IRL

[swift prism]

rofl

I'd volunteer the arcane mage

[junior aurora]

parsed orange on opulence bc i took the opal and stayed on boss

just throwing ruptures on adds

[dark crag]

For hc progress ok, but on farm i would skip ruby too

[thorn fiber]

so long story short I did ok but ruby lowered my parses by a lot basically?

[junior aurora]

yes

its a 40% damage loss to take ruby

[thorn fiber]

(parsed 38 for ilvl)

[junior aurora]

but if your group needs ruby then dont worry about parse

[dark crag]

Maybe a few minor things here and there but that is log analysis

[visual quartz]

Im always the Ruby designate, not terrible as you can stay on boss

but your more of a helper at tht point

[junior aurora]

if you link log can look at it better but its probably ruby

[thorn fiber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/68N1r7TcwPHqXF4G#fight=5&view=rankings

[dark crag]

Second day of mythic and i already hate the new raid

[junior aurora]

better garrote uptime on boss, dont waste too many combo points with mutilate next time, dont overwrite snapshotted garrotes and have rupture up a bit more

thats all i can see otherwise its mostly bc you took the ruby

when the adds spawn throw ruptures on them for energy regen, if you weren't already that would help

[thorn fiber]

I see, do you guys have a rule of thumb for how many adds to rupture or just try to rupture them all ? (I kinda have trouble keeping up dots on boss while rupturing adds ^^; )

[junior aurora]

i was just throwing rupture on all

[runic oyster]

Hey guys is it deadly nav MH or OH?

[junior aurora]

FOK rupture FOK rupture, not even worrying about how many cps the ruptures were

[dark crag]

Do they live that long?

[junior aurora]

doesn't matter zoobus

[dark crag]

The oh mh doesn't matter

[runic oyster]

thought it used to

thanks for the tip

[thorn fiber]

thanks a lot btw ^^

[junior aurora]

depends on your group, my group doesn't have the best dps so they were living long enough for it to be worth

[tall pecan]

how many vendettas can i get off on rastakhan hc and can i use it on cd and have it up for lust if im going to the dead people realm

average dps being like 16k

[junior aurora]

divide the fight length by 2, thats how many vendettas you can get

if the fights gonna take 6 minutes you can get 3 off

[tall pecan]

im asking about the timing i have never pulled rasta

and my trial is starting on hc

[junior aurora]

then it really depends on how fast your group is burning down p1 and p2

you can start with a vendetta and it should be up for p3 if the dps is there

[tall pecan]

so dont vendetta p2?

[junior aurora]

if its up i would if you wont be going into p3 for its duration

but if you are about to go into p3 then save it

[glacial grotto]

does garrote interupt laminaria on blockade? was too scared to try it

[tall pecan]

yeah i guess i wont know until i see how the pulls are going

ty

[junior aurora]

general rule of thumb is just vendetta on cd

more uses of it this way = more damage in the end anyway

[sturdy python]

I would venetta on cd in your situation. Your dps should be good for trial and you can adjust after pulls if needed

@glacial grotto interrupt what?

The boss? No

[sand whale]

decent guild officers check for CD usage, so unless the guild is dpsing extremely slow, save it for bwomsamdi

[sturdy python]

He's trialing in heroic, I doubt it

[glossy kestrel]

i'm seeing peopel with multiple 385-400 level "darkwood sentinel" gear. i know you get a 400 from the warfront, but where are they getting the rest?

[elder gulch]

i usually pop galecaller right before exsanguinate, when exactly would i pop galecaller if im running toxic blade?

[lost sentinel]

405 GCB, only took like 5 runs lol

[sturdy python]

On cd or when you know you won't move

[elder gulch]

kk

[lost sentinel]

I hope going from 370+gemslot to 405 GCB was worth the effort lol

[lone junco]

maybe.

at least it bumps your bag ilvl

[junior aurora]

never worth the effort

shrine sucks

[lusty gale]

can you evasion the debuff from opulence?

is ask mr.robot website any good for finding a gear upgrade?

[cobalt gyro]

which debuff

theif's bane or w/e?

[glossy kestrel]

coin shower

[lone junco]

you can cloak the coin debuff, but it still drops a puddle

[sturdy python]

@lusty gale Would suggest using raidbots and not AMR

[royal lantern]

400 TD dagger!

and i didnt even farm it 30times this tier!

[visual quartz]

is there a way to Sim gear like its enchanted without actually enchanting it?

[fair blaze]

You can try with top gear function at raidbots, there is a section with enchants 😃

[lusty gale]

coin shower that u have to soak with raid its physical dmg

so was wondering if u can just go solo and pop evasion

[rustic ether]

420 crit vers boots MOANS

[shadow gyro]

SS (shrouded) stacks?

[fair blaze]

Damage yes, CP no

[shadow gyro]

Niecerg, I've heard an explanation before - is there a hard rule for which traits stack? Or a list of them? Searching google now.

[sturdy python]

Damage and stat increases stack

Other effects like CP, energy or w/e do not

[fair blaze]

As above

[shadow gyro]

Okay, that's pretty simple!

Trying to trait out for raid ATM. Been playing around constantlly and I'm so far below others at my iLvl... trying to figure out why before raid in an hour

Only getting like 15k singe-target at 392 (that's what I'm simming at tho), but others are at like 25K+ at same ilvl on same bosses (except they're killing in less than 2 min and mine take 4min or so (guild run))

[wild mural]

Quick question about MA opener, I've been running it with great success, but there is a discrepancy between my sample opener in raidbots and what ravenholdt says to do. Which opener is best?

[icy ember]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpgTfdqw4UoHVyHMqTELc1 is there any point in gemming for agility?

[rose perch]

@wild mural the toxic blade in the MA window is better imo, until you get to almost 100% crit

[wild mural]

@rose perch thank you sir

[fair blaze]

According to herodamage it's better to 3xDD 2xTC and 1xNP than 2xDD 3xTC and 1xNP like it was before?

[ripe nimbus]

anyone else so used to SS opener that even when u can use 3 DD, you keep 1 SS just to use SS opener? lol

[icy ember]

i am running 3xdd 2xtc 1xnp, but i don't have the other option

[fair blaze]

@icy ember You can have a TC instead of DD in chest, but actually i need to sim it on myself ;D

But probably 3xDD would be better, cause herodamage takes 100% uptime on TC, what can be sometimes impossible

[dark crag]

You guys and your first few bosses azerite gear disgust me

[spice sorrel]

huh....double TC not simming highest after the nerf

[civic palm]

Correct.

[fair blaze]

It was 0,1% diffrence but still TC was better ;D

But it was with 100% uptime,

[neon thunder]

So I have 1800 tit Resi. Should I just be a man and hit a 415 azerite inb4 worst traits or get 3 chances at 400azerite

[crystal vault]

hey got azerokks, is it that bad? 😦

[floral loom]

do the sims for the invocation of yulon trinket make sure to line up the trinket with toxic blade?

[zenith gust]

guys, should i sim with the nightly option or the weekly option? :/

[plain thistle]

nightly

[smoky fiber]

@neon thunder man up and buy the 415

[hearty oriole]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[ripe nimbus]

@floral loom Trinkets dont get affected by abilitys so the increase nature damage does not increase the trinket damage

@floral loom just use on cooldown

[austere scarab]

My sim recommends MA with 3xDD 2xTC 1xSS; how do I actually open? lol

[copper kestrel]

If I am playing master assassin, the opener is still garrote+Mut+Rupture, right?

[small island]

what stats are u going aiming for in 10-15 keys? still going for low haste high crit/mast?

[spice sorrel]

yes @copper kestrel

[rigid sonnet]

anyone got a reliably working macro to enter stealth with shadowmeld in dungeons?

[copper kestrel]

Dope. And so now I am just trying to line up my vanish in vendetta to be TB&4pt+ > Vanish > Envenom > Mut > Envenom, right? (assume I only get 3 casts in 3s, or can I get 4?)

[icy ember]

@neon thunder just buy the 1750 piece IMO it could be really bad, but it might be good for 1 of the specs

[rigid sonnet]

got one that just casts shadowmeld on 1st press and stealth on 2nd but sometimes when I successfully enter stealth it's like I*m in some weird evade mode where I can't actually apply my rupture to anything

garrotte*

[static hedge]

If I don't have a SS talent for raid, should i got Master Assassin over Subter?

[neon thunder]

Sim. But yes, that should be the case

[lusty narwhal]

Thats a feesbad

SS is so valuable this tier for the ol’ logs

Feels dog shit to play without it

[icy ember]

well it isn't a fight that you can re-stealth, so of course it is bad

it isnt bad, it is just worse

[lusty narwhal]

Uhh what fight are you talking about

[icy ember]

for raids anyway

but i play outlaw for M+

[lusty narwhal]

Im now confused

[icy ember]

what is confusing?

[dreamy plover]

Yo i see a lot of people playing crimson tempest in M+ and when i switch over to it for some reason it just feels clunky and terrible do you need certain stats to make it work or am i just shit

[rose perch]

you don't need specific stats, no

just getting used to it probably

[dreamy plover]

When theres a large aoe group say reaping is the rotation simple FoK CT FoK CT

Or do you only CT for the bleed and then spam ruptures

[crystal vault]

get Echoing. go in stealth, 3 garrotes, CT, FoK 3-4 raptures for energy and spam FoK

[hollow vine]

So i have 3x SS and 3xSOB all 400ilvl - should i take off 1 SS for an EB for m+?

[fair blaze]

EB is probably better for reaping

But imo you should swap SoB for EB if it is possible

[hollow vine]

yeah i would if possible 😛

[spice sorrel]

you guys use vendetta on pull for grong? seems like it gets cut off when adds spawn (for mythic)

[burnt bolt]

adds spawn 15s in and then every 60 after iirc

[spice sorrel]

right, does it matter that you lose like 8 seconds or so?

or is it worth holding until after first adds

[vital haven]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
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[hearty oriole]

what is you guys thoughts on gale callers trinket?

[spice sorrel]

still solid if you can stand in it for full duration

other trinkets are better at equal ilvl

[void otter]

boys, I'm runnin master assassin + toxic blade with 3 double dose and 3 nothing personal (I know, I know)..for trinkets I have the lustrous golden plumage and just got the VIGOR trinket..the question I have is this - given the random nature of locking in the crit boost at 6 stacks, is it worth waiting for it to line up with other cooldowns (vendetta+ lustrous trinket) for a ginormous envenom from stealth or just use the VIGOR trinket on cooldown, at 6 stacks? before you say sim it, I don't know how to put conditionals and sim certain situations like this..halp

[spice sorrel]

what's the lustrous cd?

[fair blaze]

1,5min

[spice sorrel]

either way, you lose 30s every time you save so prolly not worth

[fair blaze]

Oh excuse me

its 2 min

[void otter]

yeah lustrous is 2min..it lines with vendetta always

yeah..off the top of my head, it makes more sense to always pop it at max stacks and on cooldown

but when it lines with everything else, it's just

[fair blaze]

But you want to not use it when it lines up with vendetta and lustrous?

Just waiting for 6 stacks

?

[void otter]

not sure I get what you're asking there..my question was do I wait to line everything up and delay the trinket or use it on cooldown at max stacks

[spice sorrel]

how long are you holding it when your second vend comes up?

[void otter]

but I just realized that since it's a rolling buff (fun mechanic blizzard) that continuously ticks up and down, in order to line it with vendetta and lustrous, at some point I will need to delay vendetta+ lustrous in order to get bigor at 6 stacks

it's on cooldown for 2nd vendetta usually..it has an activation cooldown of 1m30sec

on top of that, the stacks on it constantly go up to 6 stacks then down to 0

so you need to catch it at 6 stacks when you activate it (activating it locks in the current number of stacks for 6 seconds)

I dunno..the more I think about it, the more I feel like it's a dps loss NOT to use it on cooldown

[spice sorrel]

yep

just gets annoying because it's not REALLY a 1.5min cd

so might as well just use on cd