didnt have this issue in uld due to 750 haste
#assassination
buoyant coyote
buoyant coyote
Last night I did keep bleeds up as much as possible while keeping env up as much as possible
hot flume
Keep elaborate planning up as much as possible
buoyant coyote
feels like im lacking haste though
hot flume
not env
spice surge
Elaborate uptime isnt overly relevant either, what matters is how much of your abilities you use during both envenom/eb, not their uptime
buoyant coyote
hmm so no more "pool" energy as much as I did
unborn mist
Possibly because said "haste ring" has heavy Vers? 
buoyant coyote
well i did sim 2 haste rings and they sim lower wasnt really sure why when my reg is really slow 😒
feels like it altest
unborn mist
You can't just go with a ring because it "has your best stat" versus not
buoyant coyote
I simmed the 4 rings i had
sturdy python
Focus on keeping bleeds up, not overcapping cp or energy, and using CDs properly
sturdy python
That's where you'll make your big dps. Envenom uptime is not a thing to worry about
buoyant coyote
feels like im shit when dropping it tho
sturdy python
It'd actually be better dps to let it drop before casting another envenom
buoyant coyote
many misstakes due to new mechanics to learn but the one Im most happy with is the 4th and 3rd boss
safe relic
guys should i follow sim or use at least one ss trait ?
sturdy python
Sims are reliable but there are many different situations that a patcheerk sim don't account for
buoyant coyote
I allways try to improve and thats my main reason for asking
safe relic
but most of the bosses are St on bod
crystal vault
without 750 Haste it feels so slow to play ♿
sturdy python
Your rup and gsrrote had less than 90% uptime on Grong @buoyant coyote obviously there's some target swapping but may be something to work on
Assassin has never been a fast spec, for good or bad
buoyant coyote
Yea ofc, i often suck on new bosses we just kill etc etc
4th boss we were proggressing and went better and better for every pull as u can see on the log
Im to worried about env uptime
hollow stone
Its been a few months since i last said this: if you are not overcapping energy or cps, you are not losing dps. Sin is not a gcd locked class. Take your time. Plan it out. Haste is irrelevant
hollow stone
For sure. Think of envenom as a bonus that you get to use as a reward to yourself for keeping bleeds up :p
unborn mist
Better bleed uptimes -> More energy -> Higher envenom uptime
buoyant coyote
I was used to keep bleeds + env due to the buff from uldir
hollow stone
Yea. There are times after a tb dump that im sitting there for 2-3 sec not doing anything but autos
buoyant coyote
Do you have any specific WA or addons to track all bleeds
2 targets no issue but like 3-4
hollow stone
I just made my own basic ones and then use nameplates for spread dots
Im certain one of the wa strings in this disc has what you are looking for
unborn mist
also plenty of guides out there for creating WAs that will generate bar timers for dots on multiple targets.
strange python
hey, better to go 2x SS or 1x SS & 1x DD Azerite for Raid?
warm geode
with EB on m+, FoK is 2+ target over mutilate?
fluid halo
Assassin best pvp spec right?
ebon pollen
So I understand we should keep DoTs up, like Rupture and Garrote. Toxic Blade gives extra bonus damage to poison. I am confused about Envenom then. Do you always build up 5 CPs before hit or do you use it when you have 3-4 CPs? Doesn't depend on talents?
royal lantern
finisher at 4-5 CP
cinder sparrow
hello guys, for opulence as assa rogue, are you going opal or ruby ?
quick ice
Depends what my RL asks me
hollow stone
@strange python probably better to run 1 dd. but you gotta sim it my dude
robust cloak
hey guys, doing a good stint of simming after picking up a 405 ring with a socket, i've always ran subterfuge since i can remember but out of the blue i'm simming (albeit only 50dps difference) higher with with master assassin, just curious to know how that changes how i'm going into a fight, i'm guessing opener is still garrote - muti - rupture - vendetta - muti - TB, and then muti/env dump until i need to refresh dots? also - does it change my use vanish? i'm guessing i now just vanish on cooldown and repeat my opener? running without SS by the way, thanks for any tips xx
hollow stone
Opal unless your RL wants you to go ruby
Check pins for opener; opener changes if not using subt
You can also go straight to ravenholdt if you want the source
Wowhead guide is good too
robust cloak
i read over that, thought it didn't mention MA
i'll double check, must've missed it
hollow stone
I think they put it as "non-ss and subt" or somethin
Been a while since i looked tbh
robust cloak
yeah nah it's right there "master assassin talented"
literally missed it
apologies lmao
hollow stone
Np, its an easier opener overall. But it is fast
rustic ether
best single target traits is hands down double dose?
robust cloak
vanishing at 4 cp feels weird but makes perfect sense - double crit envenom during vendetta is pretty OP @hollow stone
wild mural
@rustic ether depends on your other traits tbh but i think in a perfect world DD will be the better overall ST trait
Sim it 😃
spare dust
Noobish question, but do finishers also benefit from being cast during elaborate planning?
wild mural
Yeah but it will work on the current rupture you have running
you don't need to reapply it
just for the ep buff
fickle obsidian
what do you guys use to track bleeds on your secondary target?
rustic ether
i have two DD and one SS
inland path
can anyone explain to me why this rupture + envenom trait is better than my nothing personal + garrote trait
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nW6zJhgfSRpyn41bh5Yyk9 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qicgrUigvC41KmCcVePRP2
:S
vestal stump
I have one as as well as a scent that I need to replace. But having two rings is such a ridiculous increase that I swapped out a 390 for 370 DD+ss shoulders and gained like 200 simdps lol.
rustic ether
because shrouded is good
inland path
for me its the reverse man
no no
the shroud and nothing persoanl is worse
the envenom + rupture one is ahead by 300 almost
cant work out why
primal gazelle
probably because overwhelming power sims higher than gutripper
rustic ether
ah well its prolly because its envenom rupture is getting 100% uptime and nothing personal is only gettign 2 casts in a 5 inute sim
rustic ether
try a 6 minute sim and i bet the nothing personal setup will bounce up around that number
inland path
will try both
thanks
i had a feeling i t was the 5 minute mark
overwhelming doesnt sim that much higher than gutripper though right
rustic ether
then again you might just have really high mastery and your poisons and bleeds are doing crazy dmg
primal gazelle
ya overwhelming usually sims high
vestal stump
@rustic ether well the 390 shoulders had SS but DD is worth more than the 20ilvs of stats lol. Once I get a 400+ in that slot I'm gonna be super happy.
hallow walrus
Hey guys! It happens often enough, that my Subterfuge doesnt proc after my opener from stealth with Garrote, any ideas?
rustic ether
ive recently had a few times where i use garrote and i only get two cps, so its a tid bit wonky
royal lantern
engage the enemy from the front and it misses/enemy does a parry?
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hollow stone
You have to be talented into subt for subt to proc 😬
strange python
which is the best gem to take on opulence guys
hollow stone
Opal unless your RL needs you to get ruby
strange python
k
opal is rly good for last phase i guess
do some crazy dmg?
did you take 1 echo blades on that fight
just for last phase?
hollow stone
I didnt but it might be worth it. Basically. Get opal. When the gold adds spawn, fok, youll stack your opal
stiff ridge
Anyone going for the engi helm over leather working?
strange python
ok ty
vestal stump
I'm on Ruby duty rip my damage.
jagged gazelle
I may be late to the party but just got this
pearl widget
@jagged gazelle congratz
obsidian girder
how to use galecaller
"-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2:25"
that just means i use galecaller with exsang @ pull and the third one when vendetta etc. come off cooldown right ?
primal gazelle
im so upset they buffed bursting
quaking/bursting used to be a yolo fun week
now its semi-aids 😦
strange python
!stats
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
simming = raidbots?
unborn rampart
qq: coming back to the game after quitting in late october -- is shrouded suffocation still the go-to azerite trait for M+?
strange python
I simmed myself with simulationcraft addon and says haster > mastery
should I trust on this?
haste*
primal gazelle
eb = ss > sob for m+
unborn rampart
echoing blades? thanks
for some reason ss is showing much lower on hecticaddcleave on bloodmallet -- maybe the apl isn't set up righ
bloodmallet doesn't seem to have the new dungeon slice either
sturdy python
Herodamage is more reliable for us, it's updated by a rogue tc in this disc. Bloodmallet doesn't Sim it with subterfuge
Which is bad for SS
unborn rampart
yeah i saw he doesn't use subterfuge and was confused as to why not
thanks will check out herodamage
cosmic field
which guide should I read? icyveins or ravenholdt onE?
vestal wren
wowhead
scenic nacelle
@primal gazelle No, it's what we're there for
sullen pagoda
its more of sub missing real cleave and not sin being op
sullen pagoda
ur source is 1st boss of the raid thats widely considered heavily undertuned?
vestal wren
ye sub has atm a very narrow niche and if the boss fits its good
sullen pagoda
such an obvious try at troll
hollow stone
Not meant to troll but to show the "sky is falling" people that theyre just being dumb through hyperbole
sullen pagoda
i see
civic palm
non-Mythic logs don't count for much, especially early bosses.
vestal wren
logs are limited
hollow stone
Especially when people are still working toward 6 traits
wary ice
Turns out when like 70-80% of your damage doesnt require uptime your logs are better than specs that require uptime on fights they've never done before
vestal wren
it will take 2-3 weeks to have a clear picture also ye mythic is diffrent
hollow stone
The current logs a waaay inaccurate due to vast differences in gear
civic palm
and yeah, very limited log counts atm
hollow stone
And yea. Smaller data pool
vestal wren
i dont say logs cant showcase obviouse outliners
raid design is also in fav. of dot classes
primal gazelle
it takes 2-3 weeks to paint a clear picture, yes, but blizz will only take the 1st week of heroics to do their tuning so...
vestal wren
well at least they wont nerf sub then
primal gazelle
i hope they just buff undertuned specs and not nerf the strong ones
hollow stone
Did you see sub avg dmg on first boss doe? They #2. Better just flat nerf rogues
sullen pagoda
inb4 shuriken storm doesnt give CP per target hit requires crit like sin
hollow stone
Lol ^
vestal wren
ye lets not hope for zul 2.0 in mythic
as blizz might just remove sub from the game if that happens
primal gazelle
i can understand why they took out combo tho
sullen pagoda
i dont really
primal gazelle
robots on mekk can be stacked and abused who knows
vestal wren
give the adds sth that makes you want to kill them
sullen pagoda
imagine class having its niche and originality
vestal wren
--> no problem
hollow stone
I guess, i just feel like they did it because it was niche and "unfair" to other classes
primal gazelle
bring 10 rogues and stack on robots on mekk = zul 2.0
sullen pagoda
nahhh fam lets let all classes be the same at every situation
hollow stone
Pretty much all pure dps classes have optimal specs per boss, i dont see why it should be diff for us
vestal wren
they did it bc. ppl felt unconfortable not beeing able to use everything they have to burn adds on spawn
as they used to
so the change was made to comfort players that dont like adjusting to a very specific startgie
hollow stone
I mean, the boss was killable without a single sub rogue
sullen pagoda
sub should be ST god no contest
vestal wren
its about equal to sin if you have 100% uptime
i doubt we get more/further
the boss was poorly designed
ripe nimbus
Assassination is the ST fantasy spec dude fk a sub
vestal wren
they nerfed sub bc. ppl skipped the fight mechanics what blizz dont like
vestal wren
they did not nerf/remove magic stone or other issues in the tier tho
so it was kind of inconsistent
hollow stone
Yea, which is a dumb reason (imo) to nerf a spec
And im not even really a big fan of sub
vestal wren
dh is a rogue iteration so to say, but they gave it a lot more utility
civic palm
It would be problematic going forward regardless.
vestal wren
and tuning is rly good for dh 😉
hence its the most palyed dps spec in game right now
hollow stone
Not to mention m+ gods
primal gazelle
dh hasnt been tuned all expansion, but i guess thats a good thing in their eyes
cos no way theyll be buffed, only nerfs coming lol
civic palm
Will see in a week > _>"
hollow stone
Dw. Will prob be more mage nerfs
vestal wren
ye, there might be a tuning pass for mythic
hollow stone
#bringbackghostcrawler #makemagegreatagain
primal gazelle
i dont see dh being nerfed, theyre strong but not overpowered
wary ice
in raid sure
sullen pagoda
id say DH is overpowered in raids too
wary ice
they push out ever non-rogue melee dps in m+
sullen pagoda
cuz it has no weak spot
primal gazelle
DH is strong for padding on that coin boss 😛
wary ice
^ great soak potential, strong aoe, strong ST, seamless transitions between the two, doesnt need to sacrifice one to talent the other, imprison prevents bolster, has a taunt (less relevent w/o infested)
hollow stone
I think we can pad that boss pretty hard as sin too tbh
primal gazelle
and for breaking ppl out of ice on jaina at the end when 6-7+ ppl are frozen
cant think of anywhere else where burst aoe is strong
hollow stone
Opal + a few eb traits + ct (ct stacks after opal stacks) = tons of dmg
uneven bolt
CT or PB for shrine?
primal gazelle
only padders will take that EB trait for that boss
civic palm
Those adds die so fucking fast I don't think I will spec CT next time.
uneven bolt
ah
lament dove
second Nothing Personal doesn't give the energy, right?
civic palm
Right
lament dove
thanks
sacred wyvern
guys Twist the Knife stack ?
primal gazelle
tfw mekkar took more pulls than stormwall + jaina combined 😦
spice surge
@sacred wyvern read literally the message before
wary ice
@uneven bolt It'd depend on your composition / how progression a +5 is for you
uneven bolt
ah
wary ice
I havent done m+ since the update
uneven bolt
tyty
primal gazelle
bursting sucks now
ripe nimbus
Pretty sure pad strat for coin boss is EB and hidden blades they die to fast for CT to get value
civic palm
Yeah if you wanna pad that's how you do iiiit.
primal gazelle
i dont think you should even take EB, the adds die so fast that youre wasting your traits
unless its 3 months into farm and you dont care
wary ice
just get lucky with PBs like legion rogues
hollow stone
We talkin' cheese pad
You tell your group to hold off on aoe and run eb w ct fo sho
copper kestrel
Master Poisoner sims within 0.5% of elaborate planning for me. I assume that sim has perfect EP usage/uptime, which makes me inclined to use MP. Am I crazy?
hollow stone
No. They are close. Your sanity remains intact
You do you
Keeping in mind tho, that ep is generally better for any cleave or aoe
Emphasis on generally
copper kestrel
Makes sense
primal gazelle
anyone know if feint works on bursting or do i need elusiveness for that
buoyant coyote
how do I make an weak aura show up when its time to apply a refresh of a bleed (4 sec left of duration)
rustic ether
id use cheat death for the times your group fucks up stagger and you have 6 stacks at 20% lol
there are WA's in pins that do that for you
just gotta isolate them
civic palm
@buoyant coyote Go to the CONDITIONS tab in that WA and set a CONDITION for REMAINING DURATION, set your time, and set the effect you want below.
buoyant coyote
ah ty ❤
hollow stone
Havent tested. But im guessing feint alone does not work on bursting
Needs evasive
Elusive. W/e
primal gazelle
what about quaking?
sturdy python
Unless they changed it recently feint won't work on quaking
Unless it's other people's quake hitting you
primal gazelle
even with elusiveness?
hollow stone
With elusive. Yea. But what tawney said
Cloak still removes bursting tho for that "oh shit" situation
Just inconsistent cause cd
brazen nimbus
rustic ether
im about to lose my god damned mind if i have to go through the conversation of "no the gear threshhold is a 6 this week" again
buoyant coyote
@civic palm With what icon https://gyazo.com/c09aee7583fca1c318794daff1ddfc5c im not very good with these stuff
civic palm
<= (less than or equals to)
hollow stone
@rustic ether but if i only do 6s wont i get less residuum?! 🙃
strange python
you guys think the new alchemist stone is worth it on assa for beginnin?
rustic ether
im not talking about the weekly chest ive already pushed a 14
just the end of dungeon chests people ar legit rarted
hollow stone
I know youre not. Im just playin around
buoyant coyote
Hmm its still showing up when its off cooldown >.<
hollow stone
Yea man. Reading is hard
primal gazelle
@strange python it sucks, dont waste your time
400 version sims lower than 385 dice, might as well just farm a dice and call it a day
strange python
probably i have to do that
hollow stone
You can get 385 from low keys now, is what he's saying
primal gazelle
save your breaths for other items like jc ring or LW pants/boots
civic palm
@buoyant coyote Use the TEMPLATES to make a WA tracking a DEBUFF, then add the condition to that WA.
stone kraken
tidal shard
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high holly
are sims correct for Nothing Personal trait on raidbots?
spice surge
Yes maxter
tidal shard
does anyone have a way to sim for king rastakahn?
tidal shard
i was thinking over the whole fight
spice surge
Well then just optimize for 3 target cleave and don't go down, but that's mostly padding
spice surge
You should probably either go with a standard sim or go for a 45s-1:15 min sim for burst
Since first phase is pretty whatever, in terms of difficulty
Atleast on hc/n
Or if you're upstairs go for standard 3 target cleave probably
brisk sedge
what potion is the best one now? still agi?
spice surge
Yes
brisk sedge
thanks @spice surge
vestal wren
agi will remain the best pot for a bit, sec. stats will take over later with more gear
primal gazelle
rogues generally "should" be downstairs for the ST
spice surge
Yeah they really should
As we have some of the best burst, and can clear without doors
I guess if you're stuck playing outlaw you could be ontop, but yeah
scenic birch
i take smaragd at opulence?
hollow stone
We had our OL rogue up and sin rogues down. Worked very well
rustic ether
yes take smaragd
scenic birch
ok thx
hollow stone
Lol
rustic ether
(guys what the absolute fuck is smaragd)
civic palm
Emerald?
hollow stone
Smaragd is smaragd. What more do you need?
civic palm
DO NOT TAKE EMERALD
ember pulsar
Ruby or Opal is better?
rustic ether
exactly
copper kestrel
Do you guys keep two or more sets of gear for ST vs AoE? In Legion I remember swapping sub talents, legos, and trinkets. But that's as much as I did
hollow stone
Once gear is more abundant, definitely. Although, at least for me, its more of 1 for st raid and 1 for m+
eternal sigil
I've been having problems targeting for cleave as sin recently. I feel like I lose alot of time finding a target to rupture/garrote. Especially when there are a shit ton of little mobs and like 3 elites i want to dot
Any good addon for this?
hollow stone
Afaik, no, maybe somebody has one. Just practice practice practice. Get your fingers good n nimble
copper kestrel
Am I missing much staying heads down and using sin for raiding and mythic+. I did the same with sub in Legion which worked well (because sub was good at both and artifacts made swapping hard)
eternal sigil
Gotcha. I feel like as sin I am close to being very good and reliable. There are just times where I feel flustered.
I feel that any of the rogue specs are very good if you feel fluid with it. ST/cleave/m+ whatever
wild stone
(guys what the absolute fuck is smaragd)
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unborn root
@copper kestrel a properly set up nameplate addon is probably the best way to track your dots
copper kestrel
@eternal sigil ^ above
unborn root
Personally, I really like threatplates, most people go with KUI. You’ll need to fuck around with settings for a while until you get the visibility that you’d like, but both addons show your dots above the targets head
copper kestrel
I have one. Not sure which. But can attest it's great. Also makes elites nameplates bigger 😃
hollow stone
!smaragd
Hm..
@copper kestrel tbd what is "best" for m+ and raid, but sin is definitely good for both
unborn root
I really want sub to be good, but it’s unlikely
unborn root
God I hate ol so much
unborn root
Mechanically, sub feels good. It’s damage is super strong
And it’ll scale better with gear
Compared to sub
Err
Sin
sturdy python
Why would it scale better than sin?
unborn root
But there aren’t many sub friendly fights
vestal wren
i dont think sub is in a good spot
sturdy python
Sin has always scaled really well
unborn root
Mostly because agi growth on sin is pretty low
Agi scaling, rather
So as gear gets better, sub scales better
eternal sigil
I understand the boss design issue with shur combo, but it was the main thing that made me want to play sub at all
unborn root
But fights are usually more sin inclined due to the simplicity of the rotation, and just how well sin can abuse multiple targets
I just like big crits. I wanna chunk things for huge burst
hollow stone
Its also a lot of the sin v sub dmg uptime when you CANT be on boss
Sub does nothing, sin does dem dots
hollow stone
@unborn root's desk lifted 2 inches that day
unborn root
That’s generous
hollow stone
Got your back buddys
unborn root
Oof
Starting 2nd raid night at rhastakhan
Hope we can clear, I don’t want a 3rd raid day
hollow stone
GL w the mekka learning curve. If you can get him down fast, you gots it
unborn root
Pretty unlikely though, we only raid 6 hours a week
I thought blockade would be the hard fight?
Doesn’t Gelbin have a cheesy WA?
hollow stone
Its not that mekka is hard, its more that you could only get shrunk once in all your pulls (or even not at all) so you have that "this is my first time doing this mechanic" a lot. Which just leads to more chances of mistakes
Its a great fight tho, youll love it
echo night
Wtf is this 400 ilvl quest for warmode i keep hearing about?
jaunty crystal
it's for alliance
outer vortex
Alliance only(atm)
jaunty crystal
you get it by default if you have warmode on
eternal sigil
Yeah i definitely feel like uptime is a huge issue for melee this raid. Sin king I guess
echo night
Why only alliance?
outer vortex
Warmode BS
hollow stone
The faction with fewer people the previous week with WM on gets a better pvp quest
sturdy python
To give them a reason to turn war mode on
echo night
Haha
outer vortex
Alliance has had it the past 6 weeks (since it went live in 8.1)
hollow stone
Horde still has a quest too but... no 400 from it lol
outer vortex
until 8.1.5 it was only 370 gear so no one cared
echo night
Like... Wtf blizz?
pulsar goblet
Being nerfed next week
outer vortex
in a few weeks no one will care again
hollow stone
It's simple, we kill the bat
outer vortex
once people get first round of gear
pulsar goblet
It will only be a 385 next week
echo night
Stupid tho
outer vortex
lol i doubt horde will ever get it 😛
pulsar goblet
Warmode has been unbalanced for like four months in your favor, I don't feel sorry for you
hollow stone
Dear all horde. Turn off wm. That is all.
echo night
Blizz needs a new staff and a reality check -_-
hollow stone
If wm didnt give 10% it'd be fine. People could choose "pvp server" or "pve server"
sturdy python
It's been unbalanced because no one plays alliance. 30% wm bonus was more than generous to up the number
hollow stone
But w/e
echo night
I dont feel handing out OP wellfare loot is even a deserved conpensation for choosing a shit faction...
sturdy python
Now it's unbalanced because of a gear piece
Find a way to fix population discrepancy and it'd correct itself
outer vortex
DaoC style
outer vortex
lol, if they wernt currently Retconning the shit outa that story line right now and thought about it back then, it might have happened
echo night
Idd
Should have happened after LK died tbh
But oh eell6
Jesus auto correct
Oh well*
outer vortex
"Oh no this was the plan for sylvanas the entire time" - yeah i bet
echo night
Hahaha xD typical blizz, always a bs coverup for their ignorance and stupidity
cobalt flame
hm didnt expect this to work in raid but it does
outer vortex
they write the lore for the here and now- and then try to loosely retconn it all into connecting
cobalt flame
sweet flame
the raid is in zuldazar, so makes sense
copper kestrel
Does garroting/rupturing an additional target or two improve my ST damage?
spare nacelle
how's the alchemy trinket for assas?
primal gazelle
trash
cerulean walrus
Engineering goggles are pretty cool though
copper kestrel
Yeah - that's why I ask, assume the math is straightforward
void gazelle
Which crystal should i choose at Opulence?
solid nova
Opal
fickle obsidian
I was thinking of getting the goggles but first boss drops such a good helm for assassin
unborn root
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hollow stone
God damnit @cerulean walrus. I lul'd :/
cerulean walrus
Hehehe
somber otter
wpn enchants still deadly/quick ?
severe perch
What gem do we take on Opulence fight=
hollow stone
Do you even scroll? It was half a phone scroll up. Zz
fallow estuary
which stone on oculence?
royal lantern
the trinket from conclave is pretty....meh.....
primal gazelle
secretly hoping i dont get the 400 chest off mekkar so i dont have to trade away the bis conclave chest when i get it
unreal jewel
Hey guys, question. Probably a dumb one, but figured I'd make sure anyways.
When going for Quick Navigation and Deadly Navigation, does it make a difference of which hand you choose the enchantment to be on?
civic palm
no
unreal jewel
Thought so. Thanks.
primal gazelle
where did u get that darkwood chest from
"They agree that item level 400 is a little too high at the beginning of a raid tier. It won't be changed this week, but next week if it is available again it will be reduced to 385 and another form of reward will be added, such as war resources."
this angers me
bleak spoke
primal gazelle
so alliance keeps their 400 piece but reducing it to 385 for horde next week
ultimate troll
bleak spoke
wait they're reducing it to 385 for us?
primal gazelle
yes
bleak spoke
are you kidding me?
primal gazelle
confirmed by ion
civic palm
That advantage is dead soon, even within week 1 TBH
sturdy python
That would assume we get it next week
soft cargo
when you vanish to reapply ss garrote, do you vendetta before vanishing or after applying the garotte?
sturdy python
Alliance would probably only just get the quest again
bleak spoke
your vendetta should have already happened in the opener
civic palm
The chest is from Darkshore chest or PVP weekly don't recall.
primal gazelle
are you alliance
bleak spoke
the second time around if you're playing exsang you hold vendetta for vanish and exsang
sturdy python
Pretty sure it's darkshore, pvp shouldn't have those traits
civic palm
Yeah that's how I did the darkshore scenario and had the lootbox for the pvp weekly.
The helmet was from the pvp weekly.
IIRC
sturdy python
Though how is it so high ilvl
civic palm
primal gazelle
must be nice
sturdy python
O wow
primal gazelle
EB sob good traits for m+ too
civic palm
Yep.
bleak spoke
were there free weapons for horde? i don't remember them
civic palm
All I remember was nothing for NA-Alliance.
lean coral
i thought ion was talking about the weekly kill 25 horde quest
reducing that one not the darkshore thing
royal lantern
the 25kill quest gets changed yeha
dark parcel
On 2-3 mobs, is it worth multidotting? if so, garrote on CD or 2 ruptures on target?
royal lantern
people overreact and cry once again 😛
lean coral
yeah if so that being reduced doesn't affect horde at all
we dont get that quest anyways
royal lantern
if you keep your bleeds up you have more energy too fuel your ST dmg
so,yeha, if they dont die in like 6sec its good too multidot
dark parcel
not more than 2 dotted targets right?
languid ore
I know rupture gives Regen but garrote too?
wary ice
and internal bleeding
candid jasper
Is there much of a dps loss by using masterful navigation over deadly navigation?
real bay
use enchant what sims highest
soft cargo
is it worth putting rupture on conclave even tho it does no damage (that counts) for the energy regen?
vestal wren
GC is a big factor that can make exang good
neon thunder
@soft cargo I don't go out the way doing it but say if the other dood is on the way back from killing raptors n I got like 3 Cp. I garrote n rupture. Then go back main target
sturdy python
No caps, some stats become more valuable as you get more of others is all
rigid sonnet
I'm having issues getting poisons on the bots on mekkatorque. Anyone know if some of them are immune at certain times? how are you guys doing it? wasting tons of garrote and rupture combo points on robots with no poisons atm
candid jasper
jesus, exsang is simming 2k higher than toxic blade for me right now
radiant storm
So what azerite pieces should i be going for in the raid
static hedge
What gem is ideal to be getting on Opulence Heroic?
hollow stone
@civic palm makes learning FUN!
civic palm
woooooooooo
primal gazelle
why are you keeping poisons on the robots lol... they take 99% reduced damage and has an aoe stun when you step in their radius
not worth the effort
stiff grotto
is there any guide for the new bosses for assasination ? how to play optimal ? or something :p
spice surge
In the pins
cloud seal
what gem for Opulence? 😄
royal lantern
wath your RL tells you ;P
cloud seal
fuck that
high charm
I didnt attack any robots myself but im sure the thought is for energy
But doing 0 dmg with a garrote or rupture for the energy hmm
Maybe the garrote worth but idk
rigid sonnet
having 2 dots and poison on 1 single energy I get enough energy to spam abilities during toxc blade
and when I don't I lose at least 2 gcds during uptime
high charm
You mean on an add or? What you mean "when i dont"
You always have garrote and rupture on boss
If ur dropping garrote or rupture and not refreshing during tb thats not good
Especially garrote but an envenom initial hit plus 30 percent from tb is worth like 2 ticks of rupture so u can drop rup for like 1 sec or 2 at most id say
Though you lose the energy from the missing ticks as well
Which i didnt factor in
Its nice when you have it so your bleeds have lots if time and you can get 4cp and then pool energy a few sec before tb
But unfortunately that seems rare and theres so many situations when you are going into tb
maiden onyx
c
rigid sonnet
on pulls where I sucessfully get poisons on bots and rupture/garr just before TB comes back
I do a lot more dmg than on pulls where I ignore that and only target boss
because I rarely have energy to do enough attacks during TB
I'm still able to keep main dots on boss 100%
high charm
So you put how many bleeds on bots?
high charm
Yeah seems like a nice idea to get dots on them for tb for spam
I dont think if they are rooted the dots will break it right?
Since roots break on some amount of dmg and they take 99% less
rigid sonnet
I've seen a bunch of mixes
nimble tartan
Doesnt seem worth to me to bleed em
rigid sonnet
I've 100% had dots up on rooted bots and them not breaking
then I've seen one so far
that didn't have 99% dmg red buff
and I was able to apply poisons 100% of the time
but it seemed like the roots were breaking of those dots
but it's not the 99% buff that makes poisons hard to apply because I've seen ones with it that just gets poisons applied all the time
it seems like something else is making it so that poisons just don't work
on certain ones
like first 3 that spawns
I can never get poisons on
if I could figure it out so that I could reliably get dots on robots without wasting gcds it'll be an insane dmg boost
placid dawn
have you tried throw knife? its 100% chance
if it doesn't apply its either a bug or intended
rigid sonnet
yes I have
and some don't get it applied
and some do
so something feels really off
k I found it
it's the druid roots
when robots have roots you cannot apply poisons with anything
you can put garrote and ruptures on them
and nothing breaks the roots
if you apply poison while it's still walking around
you CAN reapply poisons on a rooted robot that already has poison on it
but if the poison fully runs out and the robot stays rooted you won't be able to reapply it
the rooted robots with poisons do not get unrooted
also you do still get the energy from robot ticks after an ally has taken control of it
so what u wanna do is put poison on the 1st robot that spawns in each pack before it is rooted
and make sure it stays on that robot after it is rooted by reapplying it with a poisoned knife every now and then
and when TB is about to come up, run over there, apply both garrote and rupture for atleast 8 sec and get back on boss to TB with enough energy for 0 gcd downtime
nimble tartan
consider what you lose from it though, with management you can fit in the gcds u need in tb without resorting to that
melee is still such a huge chunk of our dps
and with double dose being so good and easily 3 stackable
we lose out on that thicc damage
rigid sonnet
well the energy you gain is for getting as many mutilates and double doses out during TB as possible
and all u gotta do is throw 1 knife and maybe FoK some
scenic nacelle
still need a bleed on the target
rigid sonnet
then use a 3 cp rupture and garrote on bots just before TB
scenic nacelle
pray you dont get hit by their stun either so that's a nice little window to worry about too
dusty jewel
So I've been contemplating race changing my sin rogue to nelf for shadowmeld extra ss garrote uptime. I know this doesnt activate subterfuge for raid bosses because of inability to re-stealth during raid boss encounters. However, my question is, can you shadowmeld and re-stealth for m+ bosses to procc a second subterfuge rotation?
bleak spoke
not for bosses but for packs yes
dusty jewel
In the discords opinion is the extra uptime on trash dps worth losing other racial abilities like velf 5% damage/human secondary stat increase
For context I am a mythic raider with plans on getting BoD CE
sturdy python
Did you use one of the orbs?
strange python
no
scenic nacelle
From my experience on mech it's just best to focus on the boss himself. There's so much movement involved in that fight and we like to keep the robots rooted down in a position away from the raid so dotting and breaking entangle is out of the question.
onyx rock
cobalt gyro
400 dagger would def push me over
scenic nacelle
I see I had to scroll a bit up to read all of that. So apparently something is buggy on the robots when they are free moving compared to when they are rooted?
rigid sonnet
how do you have a mythic 4 cheastpiece?
is that what it's labeled when you buy a random 385?
onyx rock
I had like 1.6k
nimble tartan
i would not have bought 385s monkaS
onyx rock
I did all m0 and stuff like this and loot share in uldir for srapping or whats its called in english
dont do hard progress just CE so i can do with it what ever i want
pulsar goblet
Why wouldn't you just wait to get a 415 piece
onyx rock
because I do not want to wait for something fun
And from next week we get anyway much more of the currency
Anyway ... if you do not play for any world ranking it does not matter
and in the end it only cost 495 residiuum to buy 3 pieces... not the world
winter gale
This is not subject for here but can you PLS help me. Did anyone cloned SSD drive or had an issue with it?
summer tulip
is the 395 ring from medals vendor worth buying?
onyx rock
if you dont have any better than sure why not
buoyant coyote
where on logs do i check uptime on bleeds
true lantern
Thank you
sturdy python
Sim EP and exsang maybe
TB will probablly still sim higher ST, EP and MP are getting closer the more gear we get
Other than that get more traits
coarse fiber
thanks!
sly marlin
so i've looked and didnt see this in the conversation. I am adding the link to blood mallet here that discusses azurite traits.. The question i have with that is NONE of the bis azerite gear uses Shrouded. What are everyones thoughts on this? I assume for dgn/short fights u still want a shrouded, but any thoughts? https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=chest
hollow stone
SS hasn't been a top tier ST trait since it was broken AF the first few weeks
obsidian ridge
double dose has been better for ST for a long time
round harbor
It's just boring
obsidian ridge
and shrouded isnt?
weak creek
TC,NP,DD are what you look for st
violet sonnet
is archive worthless now?
round harbor
Shrouded is fun
cobalt gyro
shrouded definitely changes things up more than DD does
3 combo points with each garrote is amazing
hollow stone
We hype it up more than we should. It's 6 gcds every 2 mins
Its really not that much of a change
If we're talking st
But it is a nice qol trait while not losing too much potential dps
Ill prob aim for 1 on my st gear just for that
nimble tartan
double dose is cooler cause i poison man i make them sick 😃
sly marlin
just alot of the logs suggest that most people still run shroud
true lantern
i mean i find it nice to have at least one shroud
sly marlin
and my question is when they sim these traits do that take into account for the 80% dmg increase of rupture from talent?
violet sonnet
):
true lantern
you mean garrote yeah?
true lantern
it should i dont see why not
sly marlin
im not apposed to ss at all, its awesome for pvp burst with esg/vendetta
exp against classes without immunity
sly marlin
currently for dgn i am rock'n 2 ss, 2 eb, 1 TC and 1 DD
woeful moth
Should I take nothing personal or Treacherous Covenant??
round harbor
TC
sly marlin
TC
u only ever want 1 NP and thats if u dont have a tc or dd in that slot
actually, a coa or BI area also better than 1 np
woeful moth
Thanks Slapaflab
sly marlin
check bloodmallet
sly marlin
if you fall below 50% health and stay there for entire fights cuz u cant avoid stuff, then maybe not, but you should be able to have a high enough uptime
round harbor
ina raid you really should never be below 20%
sly marlin
u lose the buff at 50%
round harbor
yeah but you take more dmg at 20
woeful moth
I can avoid
sly marlin
but still, thats is true
round harbor
the 50% part is a joke. should be 90%+ uptime
sly marlin
if u drop below 20 u have cheat death, anyway
woeful moth
So far the only death during a kill was due to being killed by my raid in rastakhan
round harbor
yeah the mechanics in this raid are pretty easy imo.
woeful moth
Other DPS be jealous
sly marlin
yea, but cheat death and ur other defensives make up for the extra dmg takin imo
even still if ur worried about it that much spec elusiveness and hit faint every time u drop below 20%, counters it completely
woeful moth
ooo good idea
humble crane
Our rastakhan kill our healing officer was congratsing the ranged for dodging watermelons...because the fks dropped all the deathgates in the middle of the room making it impossible for melee to dodge 😂
ancient compass
Does SS damage stack with each trait?
cobalt gyro
yes
woeful moth
just recently switched from SS to DD
lone junco
@round harbor 3ss 2 fok looks like a good combo tbh.
honestly i would enjoy 2ss 2fok 2scent. and go super lazy.
or 2ss 2fok 2tc
lone junco
My group does bitch pulls, but maybe the fok will do good work on zombie waves. or when they are dumb and chain pull.
round harbor
i mena i cant imagine sin pulling ahead of outlaw
sly marlin
i want 3 eb,, and 2 ss, idk if 3 ss is really worth in a dmg
sly marlin
na, outlaw best for aoe, but sin is viable and does better boss dmg which is better for tyrannical weeks
plus, the rng god's cant laugh at sin as much
round harbor
outlaw st can compete with sin with decent rolls/ procs/ and klilltimes
rose perch
I could see sin being better still for KR and ToS but I think even on tyrannical weeks you'd want to play outlaw in most dungeons
round harbor
its too strong
the amount of hp from a tyran dungeon is gonna shift from alot of bosses, to even more trash
rose perch
yeah and there are these huge aoe moments and none of the single target kill this one infested enemy anymore
lone junco
g g g for me. SS is ideal.
next frost
With the Subterfuge talent, I notice every so often Garrote goes immediately on cooldown after the first cast from stealth. Where as other times I can use it for the full 3 seconds multiple times. Why is that?
rose perch
i think that's usually when you get pulled out of stealth by something weird
magic thorn
Do i play with Subterfurge as long as i have 1 SS Trait ?
rose perch
yes it's absolutely mandatory if you do have SS, if you don't have SS it might also be the best play
magic thorn
because i played near all uldir with 3 ss and now im beginning to swap 2 out for double dose and wanted to confirm
rose perch
yeah if any of your traits are SS you have to play subterfuge no matter how many DD you have
magic thorn
but does Master assasin or nightstalker matter much for DD ?
true lantern
Between twist the knife and scent of blood which one would i pick
rose perch
@magic thorn if you only have DD and no SS you might see master assassin looking better than subterfuge - you can always run a sim on raidbots to compare!
magic thorn
ok ty
rose perch
@true lantern TTK generally better on single target, SoB generally better in m+ type situations
true lantern
Thanks for the help
strange python
checked pins and guides, havent found an answer; how do I open with toxic blade and SS stacks? vendetta from stealth ruins the garrotes
from subterfuge
hollow stone
G r g vend tb env m env so on
magic thorn
Would you stick with 1 ss ,or go for 3 dd ?
strange python
tyvm!
magic thorn
for single target i mean
rose perch
@magic thorn for pure single target i'd generally go 3DD 0SS and then i'd talent Master Assassin/Toxic Blade instead of Subterfuge/Exsanguinate
rose perch
raidbots.com can let you import your exact gear and see which will do more damage on pure single target with a very high degree of accuracy
depending on your stats and everything either setup could be better
magic thorn
yeah im using raidbots often enough. i am/was main feral but i just gave up and now the rogue ist bae
ok because for me toxic blade always simmed higher then exsang with 3ss and subterfurge
rose perch
interesting that hasn't been true for me but i definitely can see it being possible depending on your other stats and trinkets
listening to sims is a great way to optimize ST though i'd trust what they say
it's AoE and M+ when it starts to get a little more complicated and you have to take the sims with a grain of salt 😉
magic thorn
Ok thank you very much for the help
merry python
just switched to rogue and im use to parsing orange can someone tell me why my parses are cheeks
rose perch
yeah link some logs!
round harbor
tb simming higher for me aswell atm in raid gear
strange python
Quick question, for opulence what jewel do we grab
round harbor
which is dd/tc/np/dd/ss/incite
sand otter
im simming myself and having a horrible time dpsing in the new raid, and no idea what im doing wrong. we are on oppulance now.
rancid bobcat
Opal unless your lead puts you on bitch duty
tawny shell
Is trecherous cov simming assuming 100% uptime?
rustic ether
and if i drop SS would i benefit form going back to toxic blade
fair blaze
Sim it but probably yes, you can use top gear to see what talent and gear setup is the best for you
rose perch
@merry python this log starts with Grong at like 86% hp - i think it's missing the first 15 or 20 seconds, so I can't see how your opener is. Your general rotation looks pretty good - you did hit a mutilate once at four combo points and a garrote at 5 combo points. You also threw a few poisoned knives without being capped on energy (one of which you were at 5cp for so it didn't even generate a combo point) - so you could have spent that energy a few seconds later on a real ability and that would help. However none of these are serious big issues that will tank a parse.
This kill time is always going to be rough for us since we have a big 2minute CD and we're killing a boss just before our 3rd use of it - if the fight lasted a minute less or 20 seconds longer you'd have more dps. This is especially true with NP as one of your traits.
You also missed some toxic blade casts - just hit that button on CD and you'll do more damage than hitting it when the time looks right.
Last thing I notice from your log here is that you could probably be saving energy more - if you wait until you get closer to energy capped before casting envenoms outside of TB and Vendetta windows, you'll be able to fit a bunch more of your globals into the Elaborate Planning window. If you think about it you're going to get the same buttons pressed either way, you may as well make sure you have enough energy before envenoming to get them pressed when they have the damage buff!
Compared to most logs I've looked at though I think most of the problem here comes from A) your opener isn't in this log so the number is a lot lower since we do so much in the opener. B) the kill time sucks. C) your gear has a lot of room to improve (get some respectable real ring enchants 😡 ) - your rotation is very good overall.
merry python
nice man. Thank you for the write up
i figured some of it was pooling for envenoms especially since i'm using EP
rose perch
pooling energy is a really minor thing in the grand scheme - it's a little optimization that will get you a few percent
fair blaze
Also replacing laser matrix should be a good idea 😄
rose perch
but yeah all you have to do to do it is add a mental check before you envenom: am i in toxic blade/vendetta? if no, wait until i have a lot of energy before i do this
yeah definitely what @fair blaze said 😉
mighty crypt
Is it worth not using vanish with vendetta if there’s a chance to get empowered garrottes out on multiple targets ?. Also vendetta + vanish on single target do I vanish before or after.
past star
I got the shoulders from jaina, but im not sure if i should trust bloodmallet when it comes to azerite pieces. Is it possible to get shrouded suffocation and echoing blades on one azerite piece?
merry python
just got the crown off of opulence heroic
seeems kinda meh
but surely an upgrade
my neck is also level 30 lol
rose perch
@past star yes it is, but only one of the pieces drops from raid, the other two come from the residuum vendor so you have to either get lucky from randoms or save a bunch for them specifically
past star
oh okay
because bloodmallet seems to not sim for echoing + shrouded for hecticaddcleave
so it only lists echoing + scent of blood items
rose perch
@mighty crypt the exact circumstances matter a lot here - usually what I end up doing is saving my vendetta for a bit to get it on one of the targets i'm garroting, but if the timing is especially weird that might be the play. I'd say it's pretty rare that a situation like that arises though
@berts
mt lol @merry python i think if you only get one trait on it it could be worse than w/e you have potentially until the second one is available
@past star yeah 3SS3EB is likely to be insane for M+ eventually but there really is only one piece of it that's realistic to attain currently
some combination of SS, EB, Scent, Treacherous is realistic and good
past star
i guess you could get it from a standard mythic in 370?
mighty crypt
@rose perch thanks, awesome guides + Routes btw.
rose perch
i imagine that 400 or 415 pieces are going to outshine 370s even if they're SS/EB - it's not like Scent or TC are thaaaat much worse than those traits and agi/trait power from ilvl is great
@mighty crypt : ]
merry python
i've got two
buoyant flicker
Scent is dog on st
merry python
worth cleaving on conclave?
rose perch
yeah you can put bleeds on the non-kill target for energy regen but definitely never mutilate or envenom it
don't bother until you're out of your first vendetta
merry python
right ofc
well
i messed up the opener of our kill but i usually garrote->rupture off target then step to main garrote->rupture
get both 3 cp garrotes with SS now
rose perch
yeah that's a good plan if the damage to the off target helped at all - i think it just does less main target damage than you need to but that might be haste-dependant, for me I don't lose any globals due to energy during my opener, so the value of having any bleeds ticking on an off target on which damage doesn't matter is 0
rose perch
that's good probably :]
your plan is definitely good if it gets you extra casts during your vendetta
desert vault
can you just cloak and ignore the totem thingy when you go up on jademasters?
noble lintel
question did the stat PR change because im seeing a lot of Vers gear out of BoD?
slow finch
using this link - https://www.wowhead.com/guides/warfront-service-medals
see 395 ring for 300 - 7th legion medals
Does that mean next week that goes up both in ilvl AND price?
Or is that the best item I can buy with that type of currency?
rustic ether
uuhhh
fading vigil
For opulence
rustic ether
@slow finch not sure what youre talking about but the 395 ring is the best you can get
fading vigil
What is better ruby or emerald
slow finch
@rustic ether meaning when ilvl gear gets better next week 'next tuesday' I was wondering if that ring will go up in cost AND ilvl OR there be a second ring added with higher ilvl AND cost?
Make more sense ^?
merry python
So, with SS, would it be better to get three different garrotes on 3 targets or 2 on main target with vendetta/vanish?
specifically rastakhan adds up to for reference
past star
definitely 3 garrotes would do more dps
olive dagger
For a 2 person cleave (jadefire masters, subterfuge), is it better to garrote rupture garrote one, vanish, garrote rupture garrote the other, or garrote one, garrote the other, rupture one, mut rupture the other, and then when garrotes are falling off, reapply garrote on both with vanish?
rose perch
I would usually start Garrote A Garrote B Garrote A
gusty parcel
Woot not that heroic matters but got rank 1 sin for mekkator, pretty tuned fight
rose perch
rose perch
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steep vessel
Anyone having the adds on Blockade blinking?!
plain spruce
ss doenst work on vanish anymore right?
past star
it does for me
harsh goblet
civic palm
Yeah you can't drag the debuff 100y away.
civic palm
heDidIt
wispy estuary
hmmm master assassin coming out
jovial vault
MA/TB those envenom crits
wispy estuary
pog
nimble tartan
doing all these fights make me love the full st no ss dream even more...
obsidian mountain
jovial vault
im really enjoying DD MA/TB over SS
ornate meteor
If i still using 1 ss do i still use subterfuge? I got 1 dd trait ytd
Or jst follow the sims?
ornate meteor
Alright
heavy trail
A few days not informing about everything because of university finals, coming back seeing, everyone switches back to TB, is that right? T_T
humble crane
@obsidian mountain Thats still with 10 stacks reorigination according to the raw input?
obsidian mountain
reorgination: Uldir Raid. has no effect in the new raid
humble crane
Yeah, but in your sim it looks like it was active
obsidian mountain
nope. simulation options: BATTLE FOR AZEROTH
Reorigination Array Stacks 0
obsidian mountain
hmmm
somber otter
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strange python
How do you guys think we should be able to deal with Reaping? I did some keys yesterday and i fel way way behind. Do we need the 3x EB and CT all the time?? Or.... sorry to say. Will Combat be the only viable option is higher keys? :S
grizzled jay
Not really into pushing this week. But did a 10 and 11 and 3EB seems pretty mandatory to get as much AoE as possible as fast as possible since other classes just do that way better inherently.
obsidian sierra
Could you keep up dps or top dps with 3 eb against other classes?
Still wondering if its worth rolling for the eb pieces
Or just get dd and tc gear for my assa spec and for mplus fully go outlaw
ornate meteor
guys what opener should i use if using DD+MA
quick ice
@loud brook I mean, that's not surprising since you have 0 buffs enabled.
loud brook
oh derp. I always forget to do that
quick ice
thats probably a good 4k DPS right there
loud brook
doin it now, long que time
you right, 4k increase
I also switched it to 5 minutes because I had it set to 7 minutes for long fights
ornate meteor
if i not use SS this is the correct opener with MA right ?
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
strange python
@grizzled jay that is true. Long AoE fight as very nice as Assa but.... ye the burst is really really bad. How much did you do with x3 EB
grizzled jay
Mobs died pretty fast and Im basically still using two 1-trait azerite with my third being from M0 (SS EB one at least ) and I pulled like 80-70K on first 20% in Freehold 10
strange python
With 3x EB?
grizzled jay
Y
vestal wren
i think there is a trent to go outlaw in m+
rose perch
@ornate meteor the other option is
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Vanish, Toxic Blade
Mutilate
Envenom
which doesn't have the problem of maybe not critting the mutilate in the MA window but that's not important if you're close to 100% cirt in MA
grizzled jay
My carpel tunnel/RSI wont let me play outluk
grizzled jay
Guess we'll see how it goes for Sin once we get to pushing
vestal wren
sin will get played in higher keys
strange python
I mean I still did 20k overall. But the mage and DH did 27k... so ye. Not a single EB tho. So I had really low dps on the reaping wave. All I tried to do was silence the casting mobs and iron wire the big
obsidian sierra
I also would prefer stay sin but if outlaw will accepted a lot more in grps i will switch since im not going to search grps in highkeys forever
Already took sometimes 1 or 2 hours to find 18s as a 2060 sin last season
So unfun
dapper moat
what azerite talent is EB?
solid nova
Echoing blades
dapper moat
tyty
strange python
So for M+ the 3 pieces from the dungeons with 3xSS and 3xEB should be really really strong I guess
grizzled jay
Yeah
strange python
Even with 5 rings we still need 6 pieces of azerite. 3 for M+ l, 3 for raid. Haha o well. As long as I get atleast 1 or 2 EB I guess I will be fine :) if not. In these lower keys I go outlaw :( :(
grizzled jay
Yeah we need to start a new collection
hasty hamlet
What do you want on ST as assa?
grizzled jay
Id love to try 2SS 2EB 2SoB in M+
strange python
Oh damn. Ye that sounds nice for high keys :)
hasty hamlet
These three azerite traits looks like the y are fine for fortified week
But on tyrannical you want like nothing personal with ss and twist the knife or even double dose
strange python
For m+? In season 1 I was always x3 SS
With Exgng and a GCB the ST is still very good
Atleast I thought so.
dapper bough
the mythic weekly cache can no longer drop azerite piece now ?
hasty hamlet
Ye triple ss is a thing with exsang
real bay
@dapper bough nope
rose perch
@dapper bough it drops residuum now which buys azerite, but it can't drop azerite straight up yeah
dapper bough
kk just wanted to be sure, thanks
Btw I feel like i'm always messing up my TB window (or just maybe my overall "rotation") because a lot of the times, when I use TB (on CD) I end up having my bleeds close to running out and I either have to refresh them during TB or let them fall off.
Do you guys refresh your bleeds sometimes without pandemic if you know a TB window is coming ?
peak smelt
3 SS 3 eb even with 370 pieces is pretty huge in m+ if you time your cds right. I was top dps in a key with DH and boomy today all around 2300io. The key was a 16 though so mobs live a little longer which helps us.
You won’t beat them in the reaping portion. They are doing around 100k or whatever though
real bay
that TB issue shouldn't happen really if you refresh your bleeds at the right time
dapper bough
okay maybe I refresh them before pandemic, I need to use a WA or just fix my WA addon because everything stopped working.
real bay
WA helps a lot
strange python
@peak smelt How much did you do in the reaping packs? :) what stats did you Have?
little crow
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hasty hamlet
You can easily do as assassination rogue 60-70k dps if they live long enough you do like 5 ruptures with 3 garrotes that are buffed from ss and then just go full ham on CT
strange python
on opulence does it just not give you a bigwigs warning when you get the beam?
real bay
by default no it seems
hollow gyro
i have 3 SS traits and exsang is simming lower than TB
something doesnt sound right here
spark oyster
Do you have galecaller ?
hollow gyro
nope
spark oyster
It seems kinda required for exsang to shine on st
hollow gyro
ah ok
spark oyster
Even with GB tb is like 0.3% behind on sims for me, with 3 ss
hollow gyro
hm aight thanks mate
high siren
got the trinket on conclave HM, sims 0.9% higher than my 375 harlan's dice, but it feels meh damage wise, like 2% of my overall dps on a fight
would it sim higher for a reason that it actually performs live ?
like the canonball
bleak spoke
Just farm freeholds next week until you get a 400 dice :^)
heavy trail
Is there any general advice on how to plan on titan residuum? buy one 415 in 1-2 weeks or buy 1 400 now or just buy 385 untill you got 5ring on every slot? -.-