tricks > fok spam > vanish
#assassination
cobalt gyro
fleet anchor
@lone junco Seems extremely unlikely anything would be based on damage and not DPS now after the AP conversion work
pallid snow
Was kinda expecting treat issues
civic palm
Unless your're a part of the NE masterrace > _>"
steel violet
MA is firee atm
lone junco
Np.
carmine pagoda
yeah but i want to see numbers and stuff
pallid snow
EU wont be able to see it
delicate root
so I have 3x 385 EB... should I be 
?
civic palm
No?
ornate gazelle
FoK x3 > CT > Vanish > FoK x3 > Rupture shit > Spam FoK
lone junco
FOK FOK FOK. Rupture garrrote exang FOK r. FOK r . FOK r. FOK FOK FOK FOK
With a vanish FOK FOK FOK.
I'm using HB. Ct is probably a loss.
pearl mountain
@ornate gazelle I thought the build was using HB over CT
steel violet
Idc if it ever gets nerfed. Shit is fun af lol
fleet anchor
One thing I'd mention Noobe based on your build above
I don't really see much reason to run Hidden Blades
prisma cypress
is blindside better than elaborate planning or master poisoner now on single target?
pallid snow
There is 1 rogue streaming
smoky tulip
SSx2 and Archive still beating Nothing Personal x2 on patchwerk 4 min fight. :/
fleet anchor
The damage from the trait is a different spell that isn't affected by Hidden Blades
smoky tulip
I was hoping for a bit of a change up
lone junco
The initial FOK hits for 18k. Seems better than pb.
carmine pagoda
@pallid snow what is his twitch name?
fleet anchor
You'll still need to apply and keep Ruptures up
lone junco
Right. Once I capped E. FOK seems bis.
fleet anchor
Plenty of chances to proc PB
tropic rover
what's wrong with subterfuge?
sturdy python
IDK, I don't think pb would be worth
fleet anchor
Why wouldn't PB vs. HB be pretty much the same as it is now?
lone junco
Ma plus HB was hitting 18k ish.
sturdy python
Because you're using hb a lot more
fleet anchor
There's nothing specifically different with the trait in terms of any interaction
lone junco
Each.
sturdy python
And finishers a lot less
lone junco
Right.
fleet anchor
Are you really?
lone junco
I just don't like pb due to movement.
fleet anchor
Keeping up 4 Ruptures is pretty much full time anyway in terms of CP usage, more than enough to make PB the same
civic palm
Yerp.
fleet anchor
Basically never use Envenom in M+ even now
lone junco
It probably comes down to the st.
fleet anchor
Pre-patch that is
sturdy python
Even if pb is the same you're going to be using fok more
fleet anchor
Using FoK more doesn't change the value of HB at all
kindred cedar
Anyone has a stream or a video of a US rogue showing the damage?
lone junco
It's not a big deal imo. I just won't waste time on Ct.
supple compass
so echoing blades wasnt meant to be this strong right
sturdy python
Ah that's true ywah
fleet anchor
The only interaction here would be HB + MA due to running MA
little sparrow
HB?
fleet anchor
Well they buffed EB the other day for reasons unknown
strange python
hidden blades
fleet anchor
So who knows
tropic rover
what's wrong with subterfuge?
fleet anchor
It was already good so yeah
supple compass
is ss out now then haha
civic palm
Probably not.
fleet anchor
Last-second tuning changes are always a great idea 😄
little sparrow
HB doesn't seem like i'd be worth
sturdy python
Until this and the subt bug is fixed
little sparrow
CT and PB if spending the global for CT isn't worth
strange python
Would still keep SS for shit like KR
tropic rover
@sturdy python what's the bug?
civic palm
Yeah I think they forgot to remove some scaling from EB before/after buffing the ID > _>
simple stratus
subt only procs after vanish if you take dmg right after you vanish to hit you out of stealth
sturdy python
I wouldn't keep ss for anything atm. Just saw a meter with the rogue finish 80k overall. Just bring two St dps to make up
Well yeah of course
Just fun to mess with
grim wolf
the only thing now is finding a balance between what dungeons we run EB on vs any single target traits
devout moth
on a pack lets say 6 mobs. I should 3 garrote into CT and then start put 3 ruptures?
strange python
Yes
timber mauve
will be hotfixed within 2 hours, calling it now
pallid snow
@carmine pagoda lookuo echoing blades on twitch, the guy is looking for a group now
cobalt gyro
tbh
round harbor
cobalt gyro
it depends on your traits bc with 6 you just FoK
not shown: the rogue dying because he pulled agro
it does SO MUCH DAMAGE
strange python
Well I suppose he's asking for SS traits
timber mauve
well ya, no tank, proof of concept
steel wagon
is the Wowhead list of items with echoing blades wrong? it says that the shoulders of sanguine monstrosity have them, but they dont
royal lantern
how can you die too aggro as rogue.....you have tricks AND vanish if shit goes south
ornate gazelle
@pearl mountain HB isn't simming higher than CT
balmy condor
on what sim
sturdy python
It def is with eb atm
ancient compass
yerah they broke it
lone junco
I feeeel that Ct won't be worth. I feeeel that pb and HB are probably close. Small peanuts. Compared to the FOK trait.
strange python
HB doesn't affect EB at all though?
balmy condor
in practice I've been overcapping cp for more fok
civic palm
HB effects FoK
ancient compass
legit just came here to ask that @sturdy python
sturdy python
As it stands you don't finish with eb
strange python
Yeah FoK sure
sturdy python
Except the rups you need
lone junco
Right.
ornate gazelle
How many Ruptures before doing more FoK?
balmy condor
hows it work in single target
sturdy python
So CT is worthless
lone junco
I want 3fok 3scent.
balmy condor
fok for main builder?
strange python
How is it ct worthless aaaah
ornate gazelle
Don't run it for ST
cobalt gyro
because it doesn't give you any energy
lusty narwhal
Has echoing blades been added to current pieces or do you need new ones?
cobalt gyro
it's replaced the old FoK trait
ancient compass
whats wrong with subterfuge?
sturdy python
Because 3x eb fok does more damage than ct
lusty narwhal
Oh sick
strange python
is vanish not giving the subterfuge buff or is it just me?
strange python
@sturdy python So you're not going to spend your Cps at all?
cobalt gyro
i do 20k on 2
ancient compass
noticing same thing @strange python
sturdy python
Not as long as your e capping
cobalt gyro
no, you just rupture/envenom
balmy condor
summary:
EB trait is broken af
Subt doesnt work with vanish
HB is good talent with traits
strange python
HB is garbage
lone junco
Zul trash will be fun tho. With crit archive. Should hit 45-50crit.
strange python
Might as well run PB instead of that trashy talent
sturdy python
Obv this is reliant on target number
lone junco
HB is hitting near 20k. Each on the open.
strange python
Yeah if its max stacked
lusty narwhal
Noting Personal trait seems av
lone junco
Idc.
cobalt gyro
its ok
strange python
wait whats wrong with elaborate planning?
lone junco
Nothing.
fathom viper
nothing is
clear panther
strange python
so its just subterfuge that's broken?
fathom viper
subterfuge is broken atm yes
sturdy python
This eb stuff is essentially the PK bug on steroids ATM
fathom viper
the question is do sims undervalue Nothing Personal o.o
because EB definitely gets nerfed in some form
lone junco
Meh
sturdy python
Why would it undervalue it
pallid cargo
Subterfuge works if you wait the full 3s for the vanish buff to expire, it seems. At least tested on a training dummy
cobalt gyro
it doesn't seme that good atm that's all
lone junco
Afk a week. Cheers.
strange python
Nothing Personal (and Replicating Shadows) are currently shown at 0 value in the chart due to a change in data structure. Working on a fix as well.
sturdy python
That's more likely because you drop combat lt dan
chrome umbra
subterfuge broken???!?!!
sturdy python
Might not work in raid that way
empty crescent
it just doesnt work with vanish
sturdy python
Have heard conflicting stuff
civic palm
If people saying SUB does work are in a dungeon, or outside area and are waiting 3 seconds to drop combat...
ancient compass
so no more offensive vanish
obsidian ruin
EY EY EY
civic palm
then they're disqualified.
pallid cargo
I need to test it with someone else tanking a mob and let me wait the full 3s for the vanish buff to expire and then try using garrote
civic palm
SUB either works the moment you Vanish, or is not functioning as intended.
empty crescent
@pallid cargo cant you make a cancel macro if that is the cause of the bug?
sturdy python
You'd have to be in raid
modest badge
hey why is sub broken !
sturdy python
It will work in dungeons yeah I suppose
civic palm
S C A L I N G
sturdy python
Aaaah can we get a command in here
civic palm
Wait 24hrs.
steel wagon
So apparently the wowhead listings of the new azerite traits are COMPLETELY wrong
obsidian ruin
the subterfuge thing
civic palm
How can you not find the patch notes...
obsidian ruin
that is not intented is it
steel wagon
Half the traits are not on gear that it says it is
sturdy python
No it isn't Levi
obsidian ruin
papa bless 🙏
honest needle
strange python
Idk bro is it
honest needle
idk thats y im asking
remote leaf
Why is EB so great right now?
strange python
because its good
bronze vortex
Many damages
strange python
big numbers
remote leaf
heh ok, maybe I go looking for something with EB on it then and see...
cobalt gyro
because
remote leaf
what are we using instead of subterfuge?
strange python
MA with EB
frank shard
vanish bugged?
frank shard
glad i find out during raid lmfao
civic palm
Vanish now replaced with Hsinav.
strange python
They took some spells off GCD so they made vanish only a defensive ability
strange python
Would need a damage buff
untold current
I think theere might be a bug with vanish?
strange python
Possibly sir!
civic palm
timber mauve
LOL
pastel wasp
i think you might be right
fathom viper
LOL
untold current
lol sorry just logged in
sturdy python
All good, we need a command though
civic palm
Nah people won't read it.
sturdy python
Prolly right
civic palm
Yeah.
strange python
YEAH!!
civic palm
Removed from spellbook.
cosmic grove
whats MA and EB
strange python
Vanish is now an outlaw-only ability
civic palm
Can't mislead people when they mislead themselves.
strange python
Master Assassin and Echoing Blades
cosmic grove
ty
cobalt gyro
serene basin
supple compass
do you get a 385 piece from the darkshore line
strange python
Hey guys just coming back to rogue after a few years. Should I just stick to leveling / gearing as Assassination initially then maintain the other specs afterwards?
civic palm
Sure.
ripe comet
with EB beeing ultra broken and sub not working with vanish , are we yoloing MA and 3 EB ?
little burrow
From doing the warfront yes, from the questline no
frozen karma
So my sim shows as Poisoned Wire when it should be Nothing Personnal
just a tooltip error I guess?
little burrow
As in the warfront quest
velvet kernel
Sub is working with vanish
supple compass
is unlokcing the warfront account bound
velvet kernel
U just need to wait a sec
strange python
thanks @strange python 😄
sturdy python
I'm going to today in heroic
civic palm
inb4FixByTomorrow
sturdy python
People are going to be so confused
civic palm
l u l
peak juniper
What are the go to traits looking like now?
ripe comet
pleas edont fix it for us eu people
civic palm
Who knows.
ripe comet
we want a day of fun too
civic palm
NA LOG OFF
peak juniper
is it still 3xSS for m+?
civic palm
Who knows.
sturdy python
Heck no, EU ain't having any part
cobalt gyro
i just did a +14 Atal
and like
we did the middle pack with the big ass dinos
90k dps
supple compass
is unlocking the darkshore warfront accountbound
fleet whale
vanish is bugged
fleet whale
doesn't proc subter
velvet kernel
Just wait a sec
little burrow
It didn't work earlier for me, but after relogging, it worked normally
fleet whale
well, it still procs ss
ornate gazelle
How many Ruptures should we keep up?
strange python
4-5
icy ember
Twitter
dull osprey
soooo, just touching the new patch and is the vanish + SS interaction supposed to be broken orrr?
lone junco
That's what he gets for tying 23+
civic palm
Yeah where's the cap for current gear?
cobalt gyro
you know
@icy ember they actually made the skip into vol'kaaal on teeming possible with shroud, now
so they added true sight, and removed it
strange python
Why does blizzard want to control everything
cobalt gyro
in some places
strange python
Fucking yikes
wary ice
did they nerf EB yet?
cobalt gyro
no
strange python
Can't skip underrot
strange python
Soon all mobs will have stealth detection in dungeons
You will do the dungeon like we tell you to 
worldly mantle
UR Has stealth detaction now?
strange python
Yes
sturdy python
Yuuuuup
pale knot
cobalt gyro
.
strange python
Hmm
cobalt gyro
we just were talking about it
frozen karma
my "Nothing Personal" trait shows up as "Poisoned Wire" on raidbots, just a tooltip error?
frozen karma
But the dmg is accurate?
civic palm
Maybe?
frozen karma
Alright
strange python
This patch launch is a shit show honestly 😄
lone junco
Hahah. Matrons.
frozen karma
I think it is tho, doubt old Poisoned Wire would suddenly be one of my BiS in my gear
civic palm
Seems normal, really.
lone junco
I wonder if I should run 1vend. 1archive. 1dd.
zealous lily
so raidbots is simming vendetta trait correctly now?
grizzled orbit
OKAY. Now that I can speak in here. What should the new opener be for MA/EB and do you think it would help me and my guild on Zek prog?
frozen karma
I just simmed and it was Poisoned Wire
strange python
Zek prog
civic palm
Considering there's so much AoE on Zek.
strange python
Just push the boss bro
civic palm
No.
lone junco
Did you update your simc string?
cedar kelp
lone junco
No the actual import.
dull osprey
anyone still using SS?
frozen karma
I need to add something ?
worldly mantle
Did someone check if the FH Mobs have truesight now?
lone junco
Raidbots said you need to log in and get new /simc.
frozen karma
hmm
lone junco
Meaning don't use and old simc paste.
wary ice
Is it still worth running EB if yoiu only have 1x? or is that simyoself
worldly mantle
Yes
frozen karma
Oh, nah it's a new one from like 15mins ago
zealous lily
i hope that all the mobs see through stealth now everywhere so all the fotm rogues become demon hunters
peak saffron
so i just did the new world boss with a tank tanking the boss, and after vanishing and waiting for the vanish 'buff' to fall off, I gained subterfuge after breaking stealth. so whoever said they were testing that on target dummies, it seems to work here too
strange python
Yeah but it shouldnt work like that
craggy helm
how long does the vanish buff even last
craggy helm
jesus
quiet crescent
Cancel vanish buff macro is in order
verbal pebble
3s downtime for that sweet subterfuge action
dull osprey
we have to break combat for 3 sec to get another subter
fallow cypress
I never gained subterfuge even after vanish fell off
verbal pebble
working as intended
zealous lily
thats pretty shit
frozen karma
my mastery value just skyrocketed with the new vendetta talent
zealous lily
at least we can 
scenic nacelle
So for raid do we just run 2xEB 1xArchive with MA for now?
strange python
No?
stray cosmos
EB is for AoE...
valid moss
any other dungeon stealth detectors added except Underrot?
valid moss
😨
zealous lily
they will add as many as it takes until all dps roll DH
peak saffron
@strange python I agree it shouldn't work like that. but this is a work around for the time being
indigo mulch
How good is EB in M+ tho?
strange python
BiS
vapid moth
Fok was good for ST last year around this time
untold current
EB?
strange python
Hidden blades doesnt affect the trait itself @cedar kelp
cobalt gyro
I think HB might not be worth
pastel wasp
CT
cobalt gyro
pulling agro and dying instantly
pastel wasp
or PB hmmmmmm
scenic nacelle
Yea EB for Aoe but SS is kinda fucked with vanish and sub being broken atm
worldly mantle
Tricks 🤔
verbal pebble
too hard
grizzled orbit
@scenic nacelle YEAH, so what's the move for Single target!?!?
scenic nacelle
Im guessing 1xDD 1xEB 1xArray
strange python
Why EB
subtle lynx
is MA worth taking until they fix Subterfuge?
scenic nacelle
because I don't have 2 DD
subtle lynx
sorry if that's been asked already
strange python
Eb is trash for ST
harsh sphinx
what's wrong with subterfuge?
grizzled orbit
I would replace that EB for Nothing Personal
strange python
@harsh sphinx bugged(?)
grizzled orbit
but I agree on other choices
harsh sphinx
great -_-
subtle lynx
it's not working properly with vanish
quaint flare
pls no nerf echoing blades
eternal haven
What talents are we running on ST right now if we aren't running SS and sub?
grizzled orbit
MA
strange python
@eternal haven Herodamage.com
scenic nacelle
Imagine
icy ember
@quaint flare yo you are wrong AF if you think a nerfbat isn't lined up.. i cant believe it made it this far lol
quaint flare
primal gazelle
hotfixed by tomorrow
quaint flare
but im having fun 
strange python
Krink wasn't sarcastic at all
icy ember
enjoy it lol
bold hearth
what talent set up do you run for EB
strange python
MA
quaint flare
HAHAAH
cobalt gyro
only 114k?
lone junco
CRIT WEIGHT
round harbor
Shit I'm trying to get all my +20s dome tonight
lone junco
10T sustain test.
vapid moth
@lone junco ra stacks tsk tsk
round harbor
???? Eb will 100% get nerfed
fringe socket
anyones empowered garrote not working?
round harbor
You can do like 1.5m dps openers with eb lol
lone junco
yeah.
indigo mulch
That's so funny tho.
quaint flare
its nice 😃
lone junco
Ill have them gigapull the zul trash tonight.
lone junco
and by " have them" I mean, ill trix for lolx and sprint through the stuff
then vanish into the fokkening
indigo mulch
Shouldnt DK burst even higher than that tho? :p
quaint flare
hell yea
round harbor
Don't forget evasion
indigo mulch
Breath and frost dragon of le dum
carmine pagoda
Poison Bomb vs Crimson Tempest for 3x EB build what you guys think?
primal gazelle
hidden blades
lone junco
Depending on the pull size prob.
If you can contact 10x with the ma and HB stack. Will open nicely.
But pb HB are probably peanuts.
smoky moth
subterfuge bugged for anyone else?
vapid moth
I only have one EB :(
grizzled orbit
@lone junco can you post that SS again? Or was it taken down by admins?
wise star
It‘s funny how every content Patch something more broken gets live for Rogues, looking forward for 8.2
indigo mulch
Subs first dance is majorly broken.
peak juniper
ugh why they have to break vanish
hollow vault
for m mythrax think it's worth it to run echo 2x and 1x crit archive?
raw coral
a lot is broken in this patch
gray citrus
yea that break on vanish is super annoying
raw coral
in general
peak juniper
it's an accident right? that will get patched?
civic palm
Maybe.
gray citrus
no clue
peak juniper
it better be
civic palm
🔮
thorny cosmos
whats wrong with vanish
echo cargo
Does Vanish not working change whether you go Sub / MA since it doesn't function for either?
fringe phoenix
How do they do these things
old quartz
doesnt allow for empowered garrote atm
gray citrus
@ me
thorny cosmos
lmao
grim sable
So MP and MA for 3x EP right?
dusky tinsel
tank couldn't hold aggro off me in motherload with 3xEB, gg
gray citrus
u have to manually cast stealth after vanish
old quartz
idk but i hope it gets fixed/changed back
untold current
Anyone try NP? Looks like its the bottom of the sims
harsh sphinx
im about to try it in raid
old quartz
i have already
civic palm
I T I S P A T C H D A Y T H I N G S M I G H T B E B R O K EN
fringe phoenix
Can you even cast stealth from vanish in a raid boss?
kindred chasm
not in raid combat
fringe phoenix
That's what I thought
gray citrus
rest in peace boys
edgy crystal
anyone got guide for using EB
gray citrus
time to go play smash bros
edgy crystal
rotation + talent
kindred chasm
spam fok, what more of a guide do you need fam
fringe phoenix
So they break sub, now they break sin without telling us? GG
harsh sphinx
trying MA/TB with one and 2 NP
untold cargo
restealthing manually works on dummies
fringe phoenix
Yeah no shit but won't work on boss
kindred chasm
that'll work in m+ on trash as well, not sure about bosses tho
raid combat, for sure, is sticky, you can't restealth
oblique loom
there we go
kindred chasm
i guess m+ bosses will be the same, basically if you can release on death you can restealth
untold current
lol
onyx falcon
sooo EB wont get nerfed right?
edgy crystal
fuk
craggy raptor
I want to see the tol dagor start trash mega pull with x3 EB
onyx falcon
youre right Ekto
fringe phoenix
Lol that's like that antorus shit
kindred chasm
LOL
onyx falcon
i deleted it >:[
zealous lily
it's not like antorus
kindred chasm
its gonna get nerfed regardless, have fun while you can
edgy crystal
i have 3 EB 390
onyx falcon
no one saw that
edgy crystal
dont post that man
onyx falcon
shhhhhhh
zealous lily
antorus was better cause it ramped up exponentially
edgy crystal
i want to try it by tomorow
onyx falcon
lol the PK bug
edgy crystal
pathch in 6 hours
zealous lily
this just does lots of damage
untold cargo
Who wants to bet EB gets patched b4 subterfuge fix
zealous lily
it does what it says on the tooltip
vast berry
with EB do we take hidden blades? or keep CT/PB?
scenic nacelle
Consensus says Hidden
thick jacinth
do you even bother with finishers on 6+ targets LOL.
wanton mortar
NA are saying vanish no longer proc subterfuge talent
kindred chasm
EB gives base damage to FoK, so its possible that HB could be good with it
wanton mortar
is that a bug?
kindred chasm
yes Rekz
untold cargo
we hope
untold cargo
you can restealth if not locked in raid combat
wanton mortar
they buffed garrote for no reason
untold cargo
thats gonna be hard on the muscle memory
wanton mortar
maybe they intended it that way
wanton mortar
i really hope its a bug
dusky tinsel
does vanish and instant envenom prock MA? or do you have to wait a second for that too
strange python
@wanton mortar bug? Sure will it be fixed? Sure...in 5 months
scenic nacelle
you need to manually restealth to proc Subterfuge
strange python
kindred chasm
@dusky tinsel vanish seems to instantly proc MA still
scenic nacelle
Because the stance is not automatically swapping
macro a stance change for Vanish->Stealth
kindred chasm
wont work in combat with any bosses ^
fringe urchin
tender quail
gg raid
ancient compass
if you wait for vanish CD to be done it swaps you
echo cargo
macro me daddy
deep dawn
they are so going to fix EB...thats just not even close to normal
slow finch
For mythic raiding. Taloc/mother/fetid should I be running echoing blades at all since its single target
rose sapphire
Guys want to clarify 2 things.
1: EB thing Will get nerfed its a miss of blizzard
2. Subter is buged atm
thorny cosmos
do you have 3 @deep dawn
cobalt gyro
is NP good tho?
deep dawn
yes, but even just one is simming 14k ahead
tender quail
why its broke ?
crisp hollow
so vanish not applying subterfuge rn
tender quail
lol
crisp hollow
intentional?
fleet anchor
@echo cargo Is that super surprising? Mastery and Haste were already really close for me pre-patch
thorny cosmos
Really?
echo cargo
Not really, it's just a nice change.
cobalt gyro
was Haste > crit = mast for me
rancid bobcat
isn't EB just a multitarget thing
cobalt gyro
no
echo cargo
I'm not noticing any interaction between MP and NP though
thorny cosmos
Supposed to be
echo cargo
I'm not sure if that's because of sims or tooltips
floral loom
can i SS to anything on M Ghunn from the bottom?
fleet anchor
Not all poison damage
gilded crest
nightelves can shadowstrike out of shadowmeld and vanish wont proc subterfuge, that is world class bs if it is intended
echo cargo
Bout to test it the old fashioned way xd
fleet anchor
Old MP would have
old lagoon
Is there any merit to using the fan talent with echo
fleet whale
you can also use shadowmeld to proc SS
plain jacinth
Islands may actually be fun with EB
old lagoon
They’re fun as fuck
cobalt gyro
it procs on crits
thorny cosmos
Any easy pieces to get with eb
old lagoon
Vectis helm
zealous lily
anyone know how much titanite juice 340 basic epics turn into?
bleak sky
so is subterfuge bugged rn?
cobalt gyro
1
pallid cargo
So just tested Vanish on Taloc. If you wait the full 3s for Vanish buff to expire, Garrote gets Subterfuge
zealous lily
so like 1 juice
cobalt gyro
yes
zealous lily
how much juice for 355/370
old lagoon
8/15 I think
cobalt gyro
@old lagoon depends
zealous lily
oh that's not bad
strange python
Im so sad to be on EU servers atm... Wanna play with EB
cobalt gyro
not sure what was going on with it bc it felt like tricks wasn't helping
vague patrol
what talents are ppl running for EB?
cobalt gyro
Im running PB now
vague patrol
MA since subterfuge is bugged?
cobalt gyro
if you're running EB don't go subt
strange python
MA and HB with EB
slow finch
What is EB single targ dmg like mother?
old lagoon
My thought was im ditching mastery this week in favor of crit so CT loses value. So it was fan talent versus PB
And didn’t know if big fan damage was worth
old lagoon
Yeah. For sure but you’re a DH on trash
cobalt gyro
DH on steroids
slow finch
What does 3x EB on mother raidbots to?
indigo mulch
My question is does asssassination still out dps sub on ST after the changes? If we disregard the obviously fail on blizzard side with EB.
grave delta
whats the new talent setup for m+ with echo?
hybrid hull
has anyone experience Subterfuge not working with vanish? as in getting the 6 second cd on garrote when using it after vanish :c
indigo mulch
I mean if your running 1 bits/1tfd and a raid trait.
grave delta
other than master assassin
pallid cargo
I'm still simming 18k in my current gear as Ass
old lagoon
I’m gonna run 2x EB 1x NP with EP MA TB PB as talents probably
pastel wasp
what
strange python
Eb for st?
pastel wasp
for ST?
strange python
yeah yeah
rare garden
so vanish-garrote gets the SS buff but you can't apply it 3x after vanish now
feels bad
pallid cargo
You can still get the subterfuge buff from Vanish, if you wait the full 3s for Vanish buff to fall off, then cast garrote
I just tested it on Taloc
civic palm
So you don't.
crisp hollow
lol 3s of downtime for the sake of subterfuge
grizzled orbit
Can anyone give me a proper opener with AOE talents/traits. Lol
keen steeple
is nothing personal actually good?
gray citrus
yeah spam fok
crisp hollow
knowing blizz this was intended
hazy pebble
hey i think they nerfed
dense blaze
Is this subturfuge thing intended?
hazy pebble
vanish garrote
gilded crest
its still fucking annoying, get hit in m+ during the vanish and your cucked on dishing out your 3 buffed garrotes
tender quail
guys i'm using 2x EB
rose sequoia
is it still possible to shadow step a totem on mythic G'huun
ornate gazelle
When should I pop Vendetta with the EB rotation lol? After the 3 fok after vanish?
cobalt gyro
should be able to
cobalt gyro
probably bugged
strange python
its a bug
cobalt gyro
wouldn't say nerfed lmao
strange python
ffs
tender quail
what rotation I should use with EB ?
midnight flower
It’s clear they don’t test patches
strange python
Oh really
dense blaze
Some dude linked a log and he vanish garroted on Zek'voz today
midnight flower
How does vanish break and it worked on ptr, thinking
strange python
civic palm
Because PTR isn't Live > _>"
strange python
Could some of you US people put on a stream already... EU Bois hungry for that EB action
peak juniper
if u vanish and hit garrote really fast ur initial garrote will proc SS but if u garrote a second time u won't have subterfuge so you'll replace the SS garrote with a normal one
candid oracle
what does Echoing blades mean when it says "For each of the first 5 critical strikes"?
cobalt gyro
for the first 5 crits.
midnight flower
Yeah really a lot different from the ptr client and live 🤣
rose sapphire
What is SS?
candid oracle
is the first 5 crits per use?
cobalt gyro
yes
old lagoon
sHROUDED suffocation
tender quail
should I open with 5 fok ? lol
strange python
Why 5
rough agate
like 3
dusk sun
Is echoing blades good?
rough agate
more targets more damage
dusk sun
like 3x
verbal nimbus
Is poison weaving back now?
old lagoon
EB is bad for ST but it makes u a aoe god
ripe nimbus
i hope this Vanish Sub interaction isnt intentional
ashen compass
two quick uldir questions...is NP > SS now and other than trash, is there any fight where we should use EB?
fringe phoenix
i just hope they can fix vanish soon
zenith portal
odowla, is that 3x?
cobalt gyro
yes
ornate gazelle
It's looking like Nothing Personal + Master Assassin is the new top tier build.
Depending on gear.
For ST
old lagoon
wonder what the diff is between 3x EB and like 1x EB, 1x SoB, 1x SS on long lived trash
cloud raven
too bad I have no EB azurite RIP
pastel wasp
item restoration!
ornate gazelle
@old lagoon If you run 3 the trash literally doesn't live long haha
cobalt gyro
That wouldn't work too well
thorny cosmos
@cobalt gyro whats it from
old lagoon
Is that true even in high keys like 15+?
thorny cosmos
Dummy?
cobalt gyro
yeah that's just dummy so i can show it here
candid oracle
i have the feeling that EB might be nerfed before EU reset
thorny cosmos
single?
cobalt gyro
you wouldn't EB single target
hollow gyro
Vanish bug 😦 😦 😦
thorny cosmos
k
quaint pewter
any thoughts on EB for mythic Ghuun?
thorny cosmos
Just making sure lol
fresh dock
so 2x EB and what else?
old lagoon
about to do some keys with 2x EB to see how it works
fringe phoenix
no point to really unless your group struggles in P1
EB won't help at all with p3 damage
ornate gazelle
@quaint pewter Good for parsing, bad for progression and helping your team get the last 10%
cobalt gyro
if you're running EB, try to get 3
old lagoon
would run 3 but only have 2
cobalt gyro
if not do like idk
pastel vault
seems like new trait is yikes?
old lagoon
im doing 2x EB 1x NP
ashen compass
So for uldir, archive + 2 NP?
cobalt gyro
2x eb + an archive
quaint pewter
gotchya
old lagoon
for priority dmg on bgi adds
zinc terrace
any sims on EB yet somewhere?
thorny cosmos
The 3rd is better than an archive?
zinc terrace
holee shiet
fringe phoenix
new zul build bois
cobalt gyro
i mean
adds wouldn't live that long
to get you this number
that and you'd probably literally just kill yourself
cobalt gyro
because you do like 150k
thorny cosmos
Same effect
cobalt gyro
in 2 gcds
zinc terrace
or else i'ma spam the shiet outa all the m+s
random scroll
rip eu bois
pastel vault
is EB good on ST?
cobalt gyro
no
vapid moth
hidden blades hurts when you forget to trick
peak juniper
you know that shit gonna get nerfed hard real soon
fleet whale
i found a way around the vanish/subter bug
kindred cedar
Whats EB ?
fleet whale
wait until your vanish buff drops, and then use garrote
thorny cosmos
echoing blades
peak juniper
@fleet whale what's that
zinc terrace
let me find out which trait replaces EB and figure out how many i can use
cobalt gyro
the old FoK trait
peak juniper
@fleet whale you can still garrote on vanish
fleet whale
you will be put into regular stealth when the vanish buff drops off
peak juniper
u gotta do it right away
kindred cedar
or u talking bout m+ now ?
fleet whale
i mean for it to proc subter
tender quail
can you cancel the vanish buff ?
fleet whale
well, with my workaround you can
zinc terrace
i have the same chest as you odowla so thats that
prob gonna be some 370s that i got around others are 2x 390 dd
cobalt gyro
like if you're doing m+ and can't 3 stack
old lagoon
does /cast vanish /cancelaura vanish-buff-thing work?
grim wolf
3 seconds is like a century to wait for the vanish buff to go away
cobalt gyro
at minimum just run 1
zinc terrace
def but it shouldnt be a problem really
fleet whale
just drain your energy then before you enter vanish
cobalt gyro
i just learned my lesson
fresh dock
kk cool thx
cobalt gyro
about throwing away azerite gear
old lagoon
hmm
zinc terrace
seems like i lack a chest with the new EB but i can still recover in a bit so np
yeah man
astral nimbus
zinc terrace
i got the shietty DD one back when SS was broken and my rogue guildies all got ss
fleet whale
yes, but i there is a work around
elfin plaza
100 percent bug rn
zinc terrace
i'm so glad that got turned
old lagoon
think its worth to gamble on a 370 chest to get EB before nerfed? xd
fleet whale
have to wait for the vanish buff to drop off so you enter regular stealth, then use garrote and subter will activate
fringe estuary
So is assass still the top rogue spec for m+?
cobalt gyro
if you're running anything else in m+ today
fringe phoenix
fuck no save your currency for next tier
zinc terrace
in theory has anyone tried the new vendetta trait yet?
cobalt gyro
you're insane
old lagoon
def since combo gone
zinc terrace
had my doubts about that one when i first read it
fringe phoenix
naazo yeah someone had, said it's better for single target now that vanish bug exists
kindred cedar
vanish bug?
fringe phoenix
subterfuge no longer triggers off of vanish
old lagoon
saving for next tier is probably not worth since the new ilvl stuff is gonna cost a lot more to discourage hoarding
fringe phoenix
it's a bug
bleak spoke
So who here is a fan of knives
kindred cedar
@fringe phoenix so subterfuge is worthless atm?
fringe phoenix
yeah pretty much idk what to say
zinc terrace
live g ame next patch
fringe phoenix
it'll probably be fixed for EU tomorrow
rancid bobcat
has anyone tried cancelaura vanish yet
cobalt gyro
crabs in TD
lone junco
@cobalt gyro 👌
craggy raptor
lol
cobalt gyro
i held over 100k
bleak spoke
Yeah priestess trash pull was 96k on an 11
rough agate
This buiild isnt fun though D:
craggy raptor
i want to see the all trash pull at beginning of TD
old lagoon
@cobalt gyro are you using the fan talent?
cobalt gyro
yes
lone junco
Yeah. 10t40 at 115k
cobalt gyro
3x
old lagoon
Talent.
lone junco
I believe.
latent field
Does blizz not test anything
bleak spoke
No
fringe phoenix
@rancid bobcat i dont know if that would even do anything the problem is getting vanish to trigger stealth, at the moment on trash or target dummy you can vanish into stealth and trigger it, but on a boss fight can't do that
devout spear
any news on if the new shadow of elune azerite trait is any good? just popped it on some 385 warfront azerite
zinc terrace
apparently they cucked a lot off ppl with the crafting requirement on the sanguicell legs too
fiery cradle
eb is a little bit of a meme on p1 of ghuun
latent field
@hazy pebble true?
rancid bobcat
cant cast stealth though in boss combat
bleak spoke
Yeah gotta get the profession back to 110
hazy pebble
yup
kindred cedar
Will "Nothing Personal" trait be something to use?
rancid bobcat
or can you?
hazy pebble
go try it
rancid bobcat
pastel wasp
guys
rancid bobcat
guess i will in raid tonight
fringe phoenix
@hazy pebble does that work on a boss encounter?
pastel wasp
hotfixes
pastel vault
anyone have a sim with NP simming high? cant get mine to do much
hazy pebble
@fringe phoenix didnt try on boss
pastel wasp
EB working as intended bros
thorny cosmos
snake eyes lel
zinc terrace
lmao
fringe phoenix
@hazy pebble that's what most are complaining about who cares about using it on trash unless you're pushing m+ but still
zinc terrace
well hope its gonna make live on eu
random scroll
XDDD
zinc terrace
gonna be a pleasant fcking m+ day lol
random scroll
fingers crossed
sudden ravine
Had 3x Echoes for Zul and I died, and this trait will be gutted by next tuesday 
zinc terrace
die instantly
random scroll
get boped
zinc terrace
cause we forgot tricks
dense blaze
Tricks
random scroll
dw
storm forum
is the 3rd Echoes better than the 1st archive/laser?
random scroll
play with paladin
tropic shadow
and its fortified
dense blaze
Bolstering
wanton mortar
yo boyzz are u ready to do underrot trash since we can no longer shroud it? xD
random scroll
it's teeming
bleak spoke
fortifed teeming
random scroll
even more aoe easy
bleak spoke
it's really really even spread cleave
dense blaze
Necrotic somehow made it's way on there
hazy pebble
im using it on world boss
zinc terrace
ppl complaining about sub nerfs
hazy pebble
and works fine
random scroll
but apparently there's a bug on some keys
cobalt gyro
pretty sure you want to fok on 2 targets
kindred cedar
Can you sim on raidbots with new patch settings?
random scroll
that makes mob scales 4 level higher
cobalt gyro
wat
bleak spoke
what
tropic shadow
yeah that makes sense our tank got deleted on a 13
random scroll
some people are reporting that their 14 and 15 have billions more hp than normal
bleak spoke
LOL
random scroll
and more damages
fringe phoenix
@hazy pebble world boss is different than being in an instance boss encounter
random scroll
just beta NA guys is ok
sudden ravine
wait what
woven crypt
NA, beta testing patches for EU since vanilla