so echo blade when it crits and spreads out more knives, does that portion of the damage stack from traits?
#assassination
lost sentinel
cobalt gyro
lmao
cobalt gyro
weird how HB is best when you're just spamming FoK
lone junco
vendeta fokfokfok rupture garrote exang fok fok rupture fok fok rupture . . . . . . . vanish FOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKF
wary ice
would MP> EP be better then?
wary ice
FOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKFOKF=> no finishers
honest iris
why do you vanish
wary ice
MA
dusky tinsel
for MA buff
lone junco
@cobalt gyro hb means you didnt waste cps on CT.
round osprey
master assasin
cobalt gyro
suppose that's true
primal gazelle
More cps spent on rupture = more energy to spam fok
lone junco
and PB is shitter for trash kiting
wary ice
U cap energy regen at like 3-4 ruptures tho
fluid drift
CT > HB > PB for aoe and PB > HB > CT for single target according to sim with triple echoing
dusky tinsel
sin is hard mode
lone junco
2fok 1 scent is dead
wary ice
unless im reading noobe's order wrong
lone junco
3fok 3scent tho. ayyy
primal gazelle
Why is 1 scent dead ?
nimble tartan
Dam i have to change my dungeon 10% haste build
wary ice
Fok -> 5 spread ruptures -> vanish for BURST FOK spam then fok- > spread ruptures
cobalt gyro
hm i think i canm get my sim even higher
i have more gear with crit/vers in the top gear
lone junco
just feelycrafting it out now. but if you have no ruptures you have no E.
wary ice
def
lone junco
fokfokfok will be the end of your fun.
but if you tab out a bit. then you can roll into the juice.
dusky tinsel
FOKx3 then rupture, to get the most from MA on opener, FOK+Rupture tabbing, pool energy if needed, vanish into FOK spam again
lone junco
neato
primal gazelle
Once you get infinite energy just yolo spam fok 😂
wary ice
IDK I feel like Fok spam makes Mastery really good
strange python
what
cobalt gyro
mastery?
wary ice
just cause of DP appliations
strange python
You mean crit?
wary ice
obv not as good as crit
dusky tinsel
crit = more fok procks
lone junco
I mean. crit crit
lone junco
cause mastery is poison and bleeds. and fok is neither.
wary ice
when in reality its just broken garbage
lone junco
then play SS
plain cairn
spyglass best trinket !
cobalt gyro
fok will apply instant dp tho
fluid drift
triple echoing blades, 10 targets, 1 minute:
cobalt gyro
which is increased by mastery, no?
fluid drift
DP is less than 10% of total damage
lone junco
right
wary ice
Whats the uptime on EP?
lone junco
there is boss dmg. so you need something to stab with
grim sable
what crit %age is that
primal gazelle
So crit/verse
cobalt gyro
my set gets me ~28% or so iirc
lone junco
idk
cobalt gyro
so maybe a bit more than that
primal gazelle
Think a 340 eb trait is worth using?
cobalt gyro
yes
wary ice
probably
cobalt gyro
it'll still do more than a 10x RA
lost sentinel
so I wonder how long til they balance echo blades lol
primal gazelle
1 day tops
sudden vale
Rogue noob question: If I'm talented into Crimson Tempest, but on a single target encounter, do I just use envenom?
cobalt gyro
yes
honest iris
by balance do you mean kill the trait completely?
sudden vale
ty
fluid drift
sturdy python
Wonder why that sim cast envenom
lost sentinel
they balanced SS and it's still great
primal gazelle
Needs like a 60-70% nerf
fluid drift
the APL is pretty scuffed for echoing blades TBH
fluid drift
well just with MA i think
lone junco
Just let it alone. Give me a day to play. Can nerf it next week.
wary ice
tyty
fluid drift
that sim casted envenom one time as its last global so w/e
trying to squeeze in extra damage i guess lol
frank shard
Is 1 SS necessary for ass rogue?
sudden brook
no but its good
lone junco
I'll change it to 2t. And the slice should go up.
shy escarp
damn, I don't have a chest to go Full FOKer with
grim sable
so what's wrong with the EB heromallet implemetation atm?
because it's obviously wrong
sturdy python
I mean is garrore or exsang even worth the gcd at this point
round osprey
exsang is energy
cobalt gyro
not sure how worth exsang would be realistically though
primal gazelle
It’s not wrong
strange python
Exsang is the way to go for m+
plain cairn
ahhhh fuckin stupid patch i just want to test this lol
primal gazelle
I don’t think exsang will be worth without SS and subterfuge
strange python
Yes it will
Initial energy boost
Dont get your panties wet, no way this stay like this.
round osprey
doesn't mean we can't cheese it for a day or so
strange python
If even that.
errant mauve
Rip me, only having one fob trait😢
primal gazelle
Garrote is 3% damage according to that dmg breakdown
Is that even worth the global 🤔
primal gazelle
What about 20 secs into the pull when you got 4-6 ruptured out
sturdy python
My money is on it's not
primal gazelle
Still worth to garrote?
candid mica
no
primal gazelle
@fluid drift does your sim still garrote mid pull?
errant mauve
Did anyone else’s addons vanish in twitch?
pastel wasp
How many targets for EB to be effective
sturdy python
That was already the case, when capping enrgy garrote wasn't worth over ct or fok
ornate gazelle
Just showed up. What's broken about sin now?
strange python
feint
lone junco
Nothing to see here.
zealous lily
so raidbots has the new traits working/
lone junco
🔫
primal gazelle
Nothing new with sin , just move along
round osprey
I heard sub was better, go check over tehre
thick narwhal
uhm, question from a sub main: is the poison talent build not viable anymore?
zealous lily
MP rarely used except in certain situations this expansion so far
might change later
as in master poisoner
split grail
So the Sin guide says not much has changed. Is that true?
round osprey
no
thick narwhal
also we're kinda 50/50 about sub changes
half of us think we're the new busted, the other half think we just lost all usuefulness
thick narwhal
shuriken combo got removed
spice surge
If you look at the sims and the resources available, you'll see that sub is just fine
thick narwhal
I'm on the side that says we're fine
zul strat just doens't work (as well) anymore
cobalt gyro
they got compensated with a nice new trait for ST
round osprey
mm, I see
zealous lily
zul lost lots of hp and 2 shit traits got replaced with pretty good ones
zealous lily
5% is a lot because the whole thing is making the breakpoint of 40% in 2 minutes
while it doesnt make up for the sub deletion entirely it matters a lot
thick narwhal
honestly, I'm tempted to play sin on the side just because of the name of the new trait
strange python
nothing personel kid
thick narwhal
We even have-YES
zealous lily
it would be annoying to play but the meme value would be great
and it should force you to emote
thick narwhal
they did a hotfix way back in WOD, shadow step only teleports you behind enemies that it's viable to do
cobalt gyro
just make shadowstep activate it
thick narwhal
because too many fucking times I fell off during rukhran in skyreach
cobalt gyro
make it a shadowstep trait
shadowstep now generates 20 energy over 10 seconds + a small dot (^:
thick narwhal
I would love that...it would be absolutely busted on sub rogues
and I would love it more
strange python
Im gonna bookmark this page, and remember it till the day i die. The page i never got to play :/
dusky tinsel
hehe
zealous lily
that would be better cause it would force you to decide about whether to burn your movement resource
thick narwhal
holy fuck who did you annihilate?
dusky tinsel
guess you havent seen the video Qstab
zealous lily
sort of like outlaw lego boots except those sucked
cobalt gyro
wait you haven't have you
thick narwhal
no I was sick for a while
dusky tinsel
this is what sin rogues willd o today
zealous lily
listen... it's balanced
cobalt gyro
obliteration
zealous lily
remove that video and private log
cobalt gyro
LMAO
eternal haven
Wtf delete that video immediately why u snitchin
little sparrow
i have 3x 390 EB
zealous lily
let us at least have a busted trait again for a few weeks until blizzard realizes that their class designers don't know how to use a calculator
little sparrow
rustic ether
I WANNA PLAY MY GAME REEEEEEEE
primal gazelle
@marble elm please delete your YouTube video before we get nerfed
cobalt gyro
the video won't change anything
thick narwhal
oh shit
cobalt gyro
the people easily +2'ing a 26 will
thick narwhal
That video just gave me stage 5 cancer
primal gazelle
With 3 sin rogues
cobalt gyro
what you don't like 1 mil burst in BFA
thick narwhal
I mean...yeah, but I don't think my current constitution was prepared for it
marble elm
that wasnt even that big of a pull and it was my raid gear from like a month and a half ago
zealous lily
not the first time that using a calculator (not even simming) would have told you that the trait is OP
so many examples of it this expansion
primal gazelle
not that big of a pull
primal gazelle
gonna try it on the quadtriple pack after ML 1st boss
that darkee bursted for 300k at blizzcon mdi
inc 2m burst
cobalt gyro
i'm actually simming my UH DK atm
marble elm
about to try it in tol dagor
primal gazelle
did they un-nerf festering wounds?
eternal haven
Has single target changed?
cobalt gyro
i mean, NP was simming slightly worse for me than 2x SS that i was running
so probably not
ok, got to almost 27k with this new op shit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8TSzFNgiMvGWKFB868YhsX
primal gazelle
Hidden blades 🤔
cobalt gyro
yeah
cobalt gyro
because you're not using CP on something that doesn't give you energy
primal gazelle
why not poison bomb then
cobalt gyro
because it doesn't do anything for fok damage i guess 🤷
primal gazelle
luuul I guess
cobalt gyro
this is just was sims best
primal gazelle
@cobalt gyro what is your stat weight with that sim?
balmy comet
What about running the kidney bleed thing
cobalt gyro
i didn't try
@strange python i copied your idea and uh https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f1bqCYPDYHbR2XoP95Hm3w
strange python
haha
cobalt gyro
literally twice as much damage as my UH DK
strange python
3 traits > 2 😭
sharp token
10 targets 6 minutes is pathological
cobalt gyro
i mean 150k is probably reasonable if you're actually doing 10 mob pulls
sturdy python
It'll be higher on pull because of MA
cold meteor
bruh
primal gazelle
That’s a 6 min sim so pretty consistent
zealous lily
i think big pulls gonna be even better in season 2
cause it'll group the ghosts together
right?
dusky tinsel
can you kill the ghosts? or do they just chase after you and fk you up?
cobalt gyro
how does that actually work, arew they testing it yet
pastel wasp
Bwonsamdi’s bois
proper dagger
That wouldn't be fair for our class if we can't re-stealth though
cobalt gyro
hope it's just ghosts and they just bum rush you
and not the actual mobs res-ing and bum rushing you
cause then most dungeons would just be impossible
dusky tinsel
might cause pulling big to have consequences
wide delta
are emissary azerite pieces staying the same tomorrow?
dusky tinsel
I'd imagine so, gear doesn't go up in ilvl until January
rustic ether
today* yes
dusky tinsel
well its tomorrow for EU
rustic ether
so save all your azerite currency for january
YEAH WELL WELCOME TO FREEDOM LAND FORGET THAT PUDDLE RIDDEN ISLAND
it rained for3 weeks straight while i was there for a buisiness meet
wide delta
well should have gone to the south
zealous lily
should we fok build for zul now
or just go full ST
i dunno it hink the crawgs will get deleted
rustic ether
@zealous lily i doubt it
zealous lily
yeah
rustic ether
yeah crawgs only come out a few times in ZUL
and you dont really want to burst them down
you want the classes who benefit ST from their AOE like sub did
dusky tinsel
soooo frost mages?
rustic ether
^
zealous lily
yes frost mage
rustic ether
in a perfect world youd keep the krawgs up for as long as possible
dusky tinsel
spriest probably too, now that extending VF is a thing again
zealous lily
yeah spriest going to be psycho
thick jacinth
there's no way this trait doesn't get nerfed tho
rustic ether
im excited to see how the dps rankings change. hope we arent going to be on the bottom D:
yeah thats getting gutted asap
cobalt gyro
apparently it's mostly due to how it's stacking atm
dusky tinsel
we'll be middle of the pack according to some recent sims, upper-mid I think
rustic ether
will probably one deal 10%-30% for the extra fans
cobalt gyro
so if they fix that it'll probably be fine
thick jacinth
I mean that dudes sim above
pastel wasp
You’d think blizz learnt from HB at the end of legion no?
zealous lily
0.0% chance it will not get nerfed just a question of how long it'll take them
rustic ether
AHAHAH
thick jacinth
is that with subterfuge
cobalt gyro
MA and HB
thick jacinth
or the crit talent whos name I forgot
zealous lily
there is a dude at blizz who intentionally makes 
overpowered every patch
rustic ether
hes the only one on the streets shootin for us
zealous lily
yea we got a man on the inside
fluid drift
doing 10 target sims with 10 stacks of RA is kinda dumb
primal gazelle
^
fluid drift
pretty sure there's a difference between "smart" and "10" for simming RA
primal gazelle
He’s not using archives dude
sturdy python
No there isn't if yo don't have a trait
primal gazelle
You can’t get RA without it
sturdy python
Stop down playing it, the trait is OP
zealous lily
i just clicked 'run again' with 0 stacks
sturdy python
It's gonna be at it's worse at around 25 seconds jn
cobalt gyro
not using an archive/matrix in this sim so it's not like i'm getting 750 crit from no where
lone junco
You can push your archive to crit. I've gotten 45% before.
It a horrible loss though.
zealous lily
0 stacks. same result https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sAANuVL4BLLY4T84YGLawg
plain jacinth
I'm guessing you open with triple FoK then rupture, probably don't bother with garrote?
sturdy python
That's how it's always worked
zealous lily
pretty sure if you are going to get the full duration garrote will give you more energy
primal gazelle
Can you do a 6 target 1 min sin?
zealous lily
if it will live and you have the energy you should garrote until you can fok every global
im not even sure you would want to spend CP except to refresh right?
frozen karma
would it be worth running 2x echoing blades on zekvoz or not worth considering adds aren't there often and die rather quickly
zealous lily
they gonna die too fast
spice surge
Why would you garrote on aoe when you have fok traits
you dont garrote on aoe without them
eternal haven
That is a patchwerk sim at 160k???
spice surge
Why waste a global on garrote when rupture gives the same energy but more damage
cobalt gyro
it's a patchwerk 10 targets
spice surge
and lasts longer
eternal haven
Oh lmao
cobalt gyro
this trait is insane
primal gazelle
LOL shit I’ve been playing sin all wrong in m+ cos I keep up garrotes during big aoes
eternal haven
it will get blasted
primal gazelle
And I’m 1700+ io
spice surge
Outside of subterfuge, ofc you use garrote during subt
spice surge
Yeah, i think the breakpoint is like 5 targets
cobalt gyro
@primal gazelle patch 6t https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wB7pJaLX1JsSS6dVvPk8F
spice surge
Depends on your crit
fluid drift
yeah you're right RA isn't enabled on the sim. the diff was having bloodlust up for most of the 1 minute
sick monolith
are they really releasing the patch with EB this broken?
primal gazelle
Shhhh
cobalt gyro
yes
primal gazelle
They might be reading this discord
spice surge
Maybe
primal gazelle
And nerfing as we speak
shy escarp
Do you not believe blizzard would release busted traits/specs into the wild?
ocean sparrow
Lol hotfix in the morning I'm sure.
eternal haven
Padding on zul 😃
plain jacinth
I'll be happy if I get to use it tonight before a nerf
shy escarp
glorious DX12 multithreading here we go
primal gazelle
SERVERS ARE UPPPPPPPPPPP
shy escarp
also I guess balance changes
finite whale
EU here 
primal gazelle
LOG IN BOIIS
spice surge
@primal gazelle Hit me up with how much they've nerfed EB
primal gazelle
im still loading
strong sundial
Have to wait 10 more hours xD
high holly
how op is echoing blades now?
primal gazelle
gonna head straight to tol to get that 340 shoulders with eb
finite whale
At least we get to watch everyone else play @strong sundial
cobalt gyro
i'm still expecting it to last a day or two
primal gazelle
jesus im having 3-5 sec lag on everything
lone junco
Erryboddy. FOK FOK FOKfokdokfok
primal gazelle
got 89 TR for completing a 17 last week
zealous lily
you can get 370 fok shoulders from honorbound /7thl box
cobalt gyro
i'm hoping i don't get a shit 17 this week
lone junco
Only 20k more to go.
zealous lily
and it'll be pretty easy to get whatever trait with new tier system and the point buy
lone junco
I haven't done a key in 3 weeks.
zealous lily
and by the time you can afford to point buy shoulder they will have nerfed EB
cobalt gyro
i knew holding onto every single high il azerite piece would pay off
short wasp
There's always item restoration! 😋
hearty grail
Is there a way to “scroll” to check what items you can restore? Pretty sure i scrapped a couple of 370 pieces..
primal gazelle
tf i cant reforge
short wasp
@hearty grail Of course. You can see an extensive list of your items you've either destroyed or vendored. It should be on your list
It will be on battle.net account
primal gazelle
where is my reforge button!!!
cobalt gyro
we LIVE BOYS
spice surge
Not all items show up though, if their base ilvl isnt epic its not sure it will show it
cobalt gyro
NA is up
spice surge
Item restoration is buggy
vapid moth
When NA comes up as you wake up from your sleep
hearty grail
Thanks, Will check that in The morning if The trait aint hotfixed for EU yet
short wasp
All your 370ish gear will be epic, so thats what people are worried about
short wasp
Everything you will be worried about due to previous vendoring should be in there.
ebon tapir
finite whale
I guess you could say its... nothing personal..
south lagoon
Im out of the loop, what happened to EB
elder gulch
did they buff the dmg from SS??
misty remnant
did they?
normal spear
there were no changes to SS
elder gulch
so i guess i just never noticed it did 800dmg
normal spear
at least in patch notes/wowhead
elder gulch
what was SS's dmg before the nerf? (on a 385 piece)
i think this patch reverted the nerf by accident
modest badge
def not 800
normal spear
elder gulch
mine currently does 821 dmg
zealous lily
yeah mine showing 892
our man inside is doing good work
"no one crosses the uncrowned and lives!"
dry terrace
anyone try Blindside out? on something like taloc with a bigger execute phase?
slow finch
Where to get 'echoing blades'?
normal spear
old fok trait was replaced by it
marsh bloom
regal tundra
@dry terrace it's not good even on execute phases
slow finch
ah ok ty @normal spear
dry terrace
@regal tundra doesnt it do better in theory compared to mutilate? dpet is higher right?
normal spear
@elder gulch it's just a tooltip change. SS wasn't buffed
regal tundra
@dry terrace combo generation is too lackluster to be viable, even the damage
bold hearth
Anyone open their cache/how much residuum did you get
little burrow
60 for a 10
fiery cradle
80 for a 15
finite whale
Wow
vague schooner
76 for a 14
finite whale
Thats... not alot
bold hearth
welp looks like it's slightly random how much you get
dusky tinsel
Its not
little marten
so from what I"m reading I should shoot for EB in all azerite slots until they nerf it?
little burrow
No it's set
dusky tinsel
It scales based on highest key
bold hearth
It does scale but is random within brackets.
dusky tinsel
🤔
dense blaze
92 for 19
bold hearth
Is that actually what you got simplify?
dusky tinsel
So roughly 12 weeks for a specific piece if you only did a 10 each week lmao
quaint sequoia
rip
austere spade
is nothing personal really that low on charts? holy shit
quaint sequoia
way to long
ebon sedge
Well looks like a 10 gives 60 titan
thin ingot
wheres the azerite vendor?
dusky tinsel
Not worth purchasing anything until jan 22nd imo
fiery cradle
how ass is the trinket off ivus
dense blaze
@bold hearth Yes
primal gazelle
100k avg pack
dusky tinsel
What key?
raw coral
12 weeks lol
dense blaze
Siege
raw coral
fuck this system
cold meteor
Dont forget m0, WQ, emissary...
ebon sedge
Yup
dusky tinsel
It would be understandable if end of dungeons dropped essence
raw coral
a 370 DE gave 12?
wheat niche
So vanish never got fixed?
pastel wasp
90
trail root
Whats the word on the new Azerite Trait... Nothing Personal?
wheat niche
@trail root Its terrible
ornate gazelle
bugged in sims, might be pretty damn good in reality for ST
grim sable
68 from a 12
echo cargo
shy escarp
bleh, the only chests I can get with EB are 360, but I guess it's not that bad since my best chest is only 375
south lagoon
they cant keep EB in this state can they
desert vault
no
desert vault
maybe, but i don't know
pastel wasp
just like in legion
elfin plaza
When is hotfix? as much as I love free AOE keys this is dumb tbh
desert vault
i feelt its gone tonight/tomorrow imo
south lagoon
I feel even if they nerf it a bit, it'll still be really good
but the damage is just bonkers
vivid hill
how much EB do we need?
civic palm
need?
desert vault
all of it!
light narwhal
3 ofc
vivid hill
lol
light narwhal
i hope eu can enjoy the real EB aswell for atleast a day
worldly mantle
So all the my pieces with fan of blades will have echoing right
light narwhal
yes
worldly mantle
lol 3x 385 pieces then 🤔
quaint sequoia
only one piece with FoB feelsbadman
primal gazelle
this trait is nuts
light narwhal
which dungeon are you doing?
quasi bay
Apparently Subterfuge after Vanishing is bugged out
quasi bay
Just tried to Garrote after Vanish and after 1 cast it goes on CD
tacit steppe
did yall swtich to MA and hidden blades or same shit? just different traitrs
worldly mantle
@primal gazelle are u running MA and what 100 talent?
south lagoon
@quasi bay i just tried it to
didnt seem to work
will we have to wait a second or so for the vanish buff to wear off?
quaint sequoia
@primal gazelle really hoping they leave it for atleast a week, so we can have some fun
primal gazelle
using MA with hidden blades
ornate gazelle
RIP ghuun p1 lol
fringe urchin
were is that vender at tho
round osprey
@primal gazelle How much crit do you have?
worldly mantle
@primal gazelle how many traits for eb
sick monolith
Are servers live?
fiery cradle
will eb let u pad hard enough in p1 of m ghuun that its viable to parse
sterile bane
ye
fiery cradle
xd
fringe epoch
whats EB stand for?
finite whale
Echoing Blades
sterile bane
the new one
sick monolith
The new trait that's replacing Fan of blades trait
arctic walrus
@south lagoon waiting for vanish restealth doesn't seem to fix the issue
safe canopy
shout out to the world boss dropping me my final EB piece
cyan dirge
Wait.. Are we back to spamming FoK on ST now?
fringe epoch
thought that was sub trait for some reason
shy escarp
well the world boss gave me an EB chest, so triple EB time lul
quaint sequoia
is wb loot still 355?
elder gulch
how is Hidden blades talent with new trait?
ornate gazelle
no EB chest for me 😦
half tartan
Is Echoing Blades > SS?
primal gazelle
this is pretty much every pull
pastel wasp
whats ur gear
finite whale
200% nerf inc lol
little sparrow
Dayvenie what you rocking?
south lagoon
@primal gazelle is using it with MA in a dungeon now and getting crazy results
coral brook
is garrote bugged? lol
true ingot
So there's no chance EB survives till EU boys can play with it tomorrow?
short wasp
you'll have to wait and see i guess
south lagoon
how so setimo
nova gazelle
W8 what EB is that strong for AoE right now!?
strange python
can anyone confirm that there is no residuum and no azerite piece in the weekly PVP chest from now on?
vapid moth
there is no residuum from pvp chest
south lagoon
@nova gazelle its way too strong
vapid moth
can confirm
shrewd folio
damn, checked my gear, i only have one piece with fan of blades on it
strange python
and there is no azerit piece as well?
dark crag
You had nothing in it? I got 69
vapid moth
well i didnt get a azerite piece but idk if the chance is there
strange python
k ty
coral brook
@south lagoon go on a dummy or something... start from stealth and do your rotation... garrote, rupture, garrote... and so on
vanish and garrote again
dark crag
And i also got no rs
coral brook
it goes on CD
nova gazelle
And here I went x3 SS all the tine
grim wolf
yeah that's happening to me too setimo
shrewd folio
@primal gazelle whats the build?
coral brook
....wtf
sturdy python
That was a bug o ptr too
coral brook
is this intended? its just the garrote from vanish
grim wolf
it puts like a 6s cd on garrote for some reason
south lagoon
vanish isnt resetting subterfuge @coral brook
coral brook
wow....
grim wolf
no its def a bug
south lagoon
no patch notes, its been on the PTR for ages
rogues have been giving us a heads up for quite a while now but no word from blizz
coral brook
that sucks :/
sturdy python
@nova gazelle it's the new fok trait added today, not the old one
cobalt gyro
its sooooooooooo dumb
grim wolf
using garrote out of stealth works fine, but the vanish is being stupid
coral brook
yup
lone junco
crit trait on 2ndary
dark crag
Vanish wait 3 secs
steel violet
345 dice with socket or 380?
nova gazelle
w8 what's wrong with vanish atm? is it bugged somehow, just joined and not following completely
steel violet
Alright. Just got from chest :D
sturdy python
It's not activating subt
coral brook
vanish isnt resetting subterfuge
south lagoon
Does Dead-Eye spyglass work on aoe with FOK?
strange python
@south lagoon Why wouldn't it?
coral brook
yup
sturdy python
It should isfraael
woven crypt
yea, just noticed it while doing the world boss :/
placid dawn
is the dungeon slice sim any good for sin?
woven crypt
the vanish bug
shrewd bane
-_-
coral brook
well i hope its a bug, cuz ppl said thats been like that for a while on ptr
so might be permanent and they just forgot to tell us
sturdy python
Ofc it's a bug
coral brook
aight
shrewd bane
fixed in 2 months
sturdy python
It's not the first time tho
coral brook
i c
scenic nacelle
Rip our parses tonight
plain jacinth
can you wait until vanish turns into normal stealth?
south lagoon
@plain jacinth doesnt seem to work
woven crypt
so do we take MA or NS for now?
fringe urchin
which one
shrewd bane
go make a thread on the forums
wheat zealot
Rip ss
vagrant tapir
man
Having 3 385 EB's
cant wait to go try this out
Sounds fucking busted
Hidden Blades>Crimson tempest?
shrewd folio
i hope they dont fix it before tomorrow
vagrant tapir
Why were people linking the unstable flames trait up above?
shrewd folio
i wanna wake up early and have some fun
sturdy python
More critical for eb
grim wolf
it's probably worth it to take NS for the time being, at least until this bug gets fixed in like 2 months
high siren
How can I sim on raidbots with echoig blades ?
grim wolf
🤷
primal gazelle
whats the garrote bug?
sturdy python
Subt isn't activating with vanish
short wasp
Yea im not adjusting any of my traits till EB is acknolwedged.
primal gazelle
oh rip
hollow junco
Something is preventing me from gaining combo points outside of stealth
slow finch
What is rotation for single target with 3x echoing blades?
What is first 10 abilitys in sequence?
grim wolf
i haven't tried it in real combat, but on dummies yeah subt isn't activating
balmy condor
vagrant tapir
awe damn
balmy condor
?????
woven crypt
i tried it in combat a few times, def doesnt work
nova gazelle
is EB replacing any existing trait atm? I'm on EU so can't see it yet 😛
shrewd bane
the old shitty trait
sick monolith
its replaced fan of blade
shrewd bane
fan of blades
nova gazelle
PERFECT
dusky tinsel
No
quaint flare
shrewd bane
LUL
ornate gazelle
Is the EB build used for ST as well?
visual quartz
subteferge has been 80% for quite awhile
dusky tinsel
Eb requires 3+ targets
velvet kernel
No rogues streaming new traits?
dusky tinsel
little sparrow
Real Ghuun fight is p3 so no, prob not EB LOL
empty tide
just if you wanna be a bad guy
velvet kernel
So nothing personal seems not that great?
short wasp
not sure about u guys, but im noticing a lot more PB procs
velvet kernel
The sims look meh
empty tide
better than my second archive
pastel wasp
its underwhelming on sims
shy escarp
even with 2 375's and 1 360 EB I'm doing 40K+ DPS sustained on 4 targets. This will last
velvet kernel
Is it better then how it sims?
kindred chasm
depends what sims you're looking at
primal gazelle
im on 375/375/390 triple echos
running this FH 16 with double sin rogue haha
lets see how it goes
random lynx
anyone else having problem with vanish not activating subterfuge anymore?
kindred chasm
^^^^
obtuse quiver
is EB just not working properly? or is it just overtuned as shit
woven crypt
do sims currently account for vanish not activating subterfuge?
kindred chasm
you have to wait like, 1 second after using vanish for subterfuge to kick in
ruby idol
Subterfuge in 2018 omegalul
kindred chasm
you can't just vanish and immediately garrote atm
sturdy python
No Xon
steel violet
Sso what talents for eb?
south lagoon
MA at least, poison bomb is still better from my test
steel violet
We ignoring garrote now for it?
south lagoon
And sims
steel violet
Just for, fok,fok
random lynx
is that intentional then? not a bug?
steel violet
Rupture andfok
long marlin
@primal gazelle screenshots at the end plx
kindred chasm
shhh, its so balanced
obtuse quiver
so are we not using garrote in trash pack openers anymore? just fan spam?
cobalt gyro
if you have the trait yes
dapper sundial
Can't even change my traits to EB 
woven crypt
i have one for now
civic palm
In M+5's maybe O _O"
woven crypt
low gear though, 344
south lagoon
@dapper sundial upgrade elv ui
elder gulch
does the rotation change with EB?
dapper sundial
Ooh I'll try that
south lagoon
@elder gulch its just replacing garrote with fok
sturdy python
I doubt the sims are even using eb properly
From that sim earlier fok was the highest damage per cast so once you're capping energy there's no reason to even finish
Was 10t though I think
nova gazelle
Well, if EB aint hotfixed tomorrow by the time they release the new trait for EU, then I'll have one 385 and one 370 EB trait for myself 😛
Just to double check, Subterfuge will still proc in Vanish, but with a delay of 1 -3 sec?
coral brook
wouldnt it be benefitial to garrote anyway for energy?
vagrant tapir
rupture
coral brook
i c
wicked owl
MP or EP for talents with EB ?
sly talon
in myttrax mythic should i use eb?
vagrant tapir
the damange bonus off MA FoK is too big
fathom viper
do you really have to wait 3s for subterfuge to work with vanish?
sturdy python
4+ rups is enough to spam
coral brook
got it
bronze vortex
I don't see Subterfuge proccing at all for me
scenic nacelle
Because it’s broken apparently
fathom viper
it works with master assassin
wicked owl
MP or EP for talents with EB ? - anyone ?
steel violet
No garrote as much
vagrant tapir
yeah
steel violet
I'd tb
vagrant tapir
no garrotes
so single bleed exsasng
it wont be meta long enough to tc for anyway
nova gazelle
So can we get the subterfuge thing clear? I see people typing different things all the time..
Some say subterfuge still procs when u Vanish(with delay) and some say it does not proc at all, which one is it? 😃
vagrant tapir
this will be gone tomorrow
glad ferry
Wait whats going on with subterfuge atm? is it bugged?
vagrant tapir
its buigged
play NS atm
if you arent doing EB memes
sry
MA
no ns
im fried
dusky tinsel
Was about to say lol
fathom viper
master assassin with EB?
cobalt gyro
yes
dusky tinsel
Yes
balmy condor
what is this
fathom viper
good shit
coral brook
hidden blade too?
cobalt gyro
yea HB
coral brook
kk
cobalt gyro
PB probably isn't awful either but
coral brook
is it already good with just 1x EB?
balmy condor
I'm getting a dps increase spamming fok after I have 3-4 ruptures out
cobalt gyro
o?
steel violet
You use 3 for MA and then rupture spreads and then spam fok
balmy condor
ye
steel violet
Fuck waiting for a queue Haha
ornate gazelle
CT keeps simming higher, so I assume it's better than HB?
trail marsh
fiery cradle
does vanish reset eb? i’m thinking of running it for the memes on ghuun since i usually run 2x ss and subterfuge+vanish is broken
honest needle
vagrant tapir
LOL
cobalt gyro
dude
ivory turret
just woke up T_T
primal gazelle
tricks u noob
ivory turret
hotfix probably inc at some stage
cobalt gyro
i did
pallid snow
Anyone streaming?
ivory turret
pallid snow
For us EU players
misty remnant
wtf
strange python
Isn't cheat death supposed to reset when you die
woven crypt
i know they changed purgatory for BDKs to not reset, may have done all of those abilities
edgy crystal
is EB replacing fan of bladeS?
zealous lily
yes
lone junco
zealous lily
nice
strange python
I have 2 at 390 but both are heads kms
edgy crystal
i have one for each slot , lucked out i guess
rough agate
yeah i have 2 375s and no chest
zealous lily
i have a 390 laser matrix i could use
grim wolf
breaking subterfuge kind of sucks, gg blizz
crude agate
so this EB fok spam meta is going to be predominantly zul and M+ right?
marble elm
it would be pretty bad on zul
ornate gazelle
Any word on the Vendetta trait? Is it still bugged in simc?
crude agate
then mostly M+ broken and won't have a huge impact on mythic raiding
jovial goblet
What's the single target traits rn?
crude agate
Am I correct in thinking that I'll stick with dd/shrouded suffocation/archive for raid tonight?
lone junco
prob
grim wolf
yeah i was mashing the fuck out of fok
plain jacinth
What about the M Ghuun pad?
sturdy python
Might want to look into a SS replacement if subt is bugged
empty crescent
yeah subt is seemign bugged
crude agate
duly noted
sturdy python
Probably
lone junco
aka a fat mace etc.
lone junco
cause you can fok, and garrote and rupture with a sword.
sturdy python
I rly think it's worth
lone junco
I know garrote is dps based.
sturdy python
Sim it
lone junco
so it didnt matter
sturdy python
It won't apl properly but should be able to see a difference
Just be an aoe bot in m+, bring others for boss damage
exotic fractal
is nothing personal hot garbo or just not simming correctly yet
sturdy python
It's fine for St
simple stratus
vanish not procing subt is pretty hot garbo
grim wolf
how does our ST opener look like for TB+MA?
sturdy python
It's in the guide
grim wolf
oh right, does having a SS trait change the opener with MA? im' not seeing that on the guide
sturdy python
Shouldn't, SS loses a lot of value with ma though
worldly mantle
Nothing Personal will probably gain value once u lose array
sturdy python
If your array is haste maybe a little
wispy leaf
less haste, less energy reg i gues
worldly mantle
Bugged
tiny dagger
fuuuckk
jovial goblet
double dose over nothing personal?
simple stratus
im going to go out on a limb that the change was intentional and not noted
to bring rogues down in m+
peak saffron
that's a small limb
proper wing
Reading thru this room makes me hope that all this shit will be fixed on Friday.
The FoK build + vanish interactions being fucked with (as usual) are really making me scared to log in.
civic palm
Yeah maybe Blizzard will just delete your character.
chilly marsh
NOthing personal is bugged on Herodamage but is it working on raidbots?
cobalt gyro
the biggest issue i have with this build atm
tricks is not enough
you just do so much fuickign damage
round osprey
Yup
elder gulch
for eb, are u just FoK, applying rupture to everyone and then just spamming FoK?
round osprey
you need to save your vanish
cobalt gyro
yep