pretty sure it /works/ but its not wise, especially on top of all the nerfs
#assassination
muted jacinth
nimble tartan
what happened to the discord icon...
remote oak
My heart
civic palm
@nimble tartan IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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untold cargo
!m+
tribal sand
is archive + 2 ss good?
vapid moth
Whatever sims best?
elfin valley
when doing 8+ is it rly worth it to run CT if the tank isnt pulling packs larger than 3-5?
drifting elbow
well u use CT when its 4T generally
so
yes
there is very specific dungeons where PB can be better due to small packs
why guide still dont have that single sentence about optimal target amounts with CT talent
runic basin
u guys play with Cheat Death or with Leeching Poison M+ ?
tribal marlin
echo night
Cheat death cause i love standing in shit
patent topaz
I ran leeching on grievous once to help out the healer a little
gleaming gust
Is x3 shrouded suffocation pretty much the m+ build for assa?
pliant nest
hm no, most of the top players use SS/SoB/Archive or SS/SS/Archive i think
you rarely see anyone with 3x SS
shy escarp
in really high level M+ SoB seems like it would be really good once packs live long enough that your empowered garrote uptime is lowered significantly
gleaming gust
Thanks.
pliant nest
yea thats also true
gleaming gust
Got some people negging me about my outlaw spec at higher keys, so I might try the ez-mode side of things.
SoB = scent of blood?
tidal jetty
yeah
echo night
Lets pray i get the last 385 ss piece this reset :p been lucky enough to get shoulders and chest so far :p
Even tho i am liking 2x ss 1x archive alot
leaden garden
Is SS the best trait for assa toxix blade specc?
leaden garden
Nice, I got a double dose equiped, didn't know it was that strong
quasi pewter
yea its very good for single target
leaden garden
Is herodamage more reliable than bloodmallet?
fair blaze
If you are playing with MA/TB its the same as bloodmallet, if you are playing sub/exs herodame is more reliable
leaden garden
Okay cool! Sorry for being a noob, only played rogue for 2 resets so far and 364ilvl so still young ^^ archive and lazer matrix obv doesnt stack right?
normal spear
they do stack, but the buff they activate in uldir (reorigination array) doesn't stack
leaden garden
Ah I see... But not worth running both ever then I guess
calm abyss
what talents would I use for 2x double dose, 1x archive? EP/MA/Vigor?
normal spear
strange python
Ayo peeps! What trinkets are ya'll using for m+ ? π
And would you fine people consider running with 2 proc trinkets? or is 1 proc + 1 use still bis
crude bay
Dice + Frenetic/Azerokk/Spyglass for this week, galecallers when it isnt sanguine
strange python
Does Frenetic need to be ultra high ilvl to compete with Azerokk/spyglass?
crude bay
All depends on your itemlevels ofcourse, my frenetic is 395
And i often use azerokk/spyglass over it
The proc doesnt have value in aoe, but the high agi is pretty big
strange python
Would you say the crit from spyglass is worth ~10ish ilvl? Only got 375 Spyglass while my dice and Azerokk are both 385
strange python
370 frenetic>fathoms?
versed bobcat
Im currently in the ghuun case and thinking about dice or spyglass (besides plumage). Hard decision is hard
royal lantern
spyglass ofc
dice is good for aoe fights, but you dont switch targets on ghuun anyway
lone junco
@solid nova nice tree icon. π
gentle rapids
for temple would you recommend 2x ss and 1x dd or 2x dd and 1x ss?(only traits i have at high ilvl)
strange python
DD is garbage for m+
drifting forge
How does assa do in m+? Is sublety "to go" spec or can assa hold it's own? New to rogue
marble hemlock
assa is perfectly viable, and probably the better choice for PUGs/groups that arent 100% organized
strange python
!m+
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brittle pawn
HMC or UF for +?
looks like hmc sims higher
thought i remember seeing flawless stacking unstable flames though
simple portal
!weakaura
spice surge
!wa
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deep solstice
Anyone else having issues getting wago to load atm?
nova snow
!talents
gentle rapids
it works for me @deep solstice
deep solstice
Hmm, weird. I can get the main page to load, but when I try to search it times out.
strange python
i have 3 380+ galecaller boons now i guess the game keeps dropping hints for me to roll assa :/ i dun wanna
dusky tinsel
I finally got a 370 galecallers and its only good for me in a few situations, doomwake sims higher most of the time :/
tawny sable
It's the same for me. Everyone talks about GC being the greatest but it sure doesn't sim that way for me no matter the conditions/talent choices
I just assume it's awesome and lock it in when I do top gear. /shrug
deep solstice
The only reasons I can think of for that are: Your gear haste is already quite high, or you aren't running Shrouded + Subterfuge
tawny sable
my haste is total crap. 13% in my max haste. i am definitely running 1 ss and subterfuge
376 ilvl
acoustic cave
guys 85 chest with SoB or 75 chest with SS for mythic +
dark crag
How high are the keys?
dark crag
The longer the mobs live the better sob gets
dark crag
You could go 1ss 1sob 1achive for high fort keys
Or 2ss 1 sob
But will it really matter that much?
acoustic cave
yea doesnt matter that much actually ,thank you anyway π
hollow mica
I had a question about DD and SS
Even if DD sims higher why do people prefer SS over it?
acoustic cave
DD is single target SS for cleave dmg
dark crag
Exang playstyle mainly
acoustic cave
SS is better for mythic + overall
marble hemlock
even in raids theres a few bosses where exsang just works better due to boss-timings, so despite people having higher-simming TB/DD gear, they still play SS/exsang on those
dusky tinsel
for exsang playstyle, if its about to come off CD should I refresh my rupture&garrote regardless of their duration remaining?
been playing mostly TB π€·
stable pine
lethal heart
dont think you understood his question
marble hemlock
π
was about to say
if you just refreshed your bleeds a few seconds prior, you dont refresh them again just for exsang
not exactly sure what the cutoffs are
shell zealot
Imo dont exsang on a under 22 sec rupture
marble hemlock
ye
its like
~22-24sec rupture, 15-17sec garrote
so basically their base-duration
shell zealot
And garrote pretty much same %
marble hemlock
without pandemic
dusky tinsel
and to Superion's point, if I exang a target, I should let those bleeds fall off completely and not try and pandemic them (if possible)?
marble hemlock
yes
shell zealot
Ofc
U cant pandemic a empowered exaang rupture
Imo exsang is for when the fights are short or u schedule them with gcb or other buffs
compact raven
what would the average damage and DPS for a ass rogue be on the G'Huun fight im on the second orb team so i have full up time on G'Huun
compact raven
do you think a 2.15 mil average phase 2 is ok or should i try to poush more out'
normal spear
check logs
compact raven
what specific site do i go to to see other logs cause i have warcraft logs bu ti can only see what i post
normal spear
warcraftlogs.com it is. pick a fight (dropdown menu), specify class/spec and ilvl, pick any report and look up what you want
compact raven
huh
normal spear
astral plover
Have u guys seen the Korean useing Nighthold Tier ?
spice surge
What boss is somebody using Nighthold tier on? @astral plover
quasi ledge
Probably just logs out in it
sleek cargo
so, has onyone else had tricks of the trade issues? i just says invalid target no matter what i do? i tried reload ui, resatrted game, i tried cating on party member direct from spellbook, whatever i do it just says invalid target
spice surge
Party member prob using neural silencer
sleek cargo
nope
warped siren
are you using the silencer?
sleek cargo
ohhhhhh shit, i have neural silencer on!!!!! it stops it applying to yourself
warped siren
yeah
pearl widget
Am I reading this right? 8.1 WoWhead looks like they are super nerfing us
knotty jetty
marble hemlock
not sure what youre talking about genostar, assa remains basically unchanged
pearl widget
I was just asking if I read it right apparently I did not
marble hemlock
theres nothing to read really, the only major changes have been to sub
so not sure what youre referring to when you say "i didnt read it right/according to wowhead" π
normal spear
maybe he's talking about SS tooltip change?)
marble hemlock
that would initially read as a buff though, not a nerf π
empty elbow
Maybe loss of deadly brew? Thatβs kinda impactful if heβs talking about pvp
marble hemlock
maybe
empty elbow
Alternatively he could be looking at system shock βnerfβ
crisp steppe
anyone else has it that when they use a trinket from stealth subterfuge doesnt prog?
proc*
strange python
Does the trinket destleath you?
If so, you're not going to get the buff
You need to use an ability from stealth to get the subterfuge buff
strange python
If you take damage subter wont proc yeah
strange python
I'm pretty sure it doesn't
delicate crater
for M+, how much crit/mastery do most 380+ rogues run with?
like, can I trust Raidbots if it's telling me to just stack mastery or do I need a minimum level of crit also?
plain cairn
i run 27% crit, 13% haste and 40% mastery
on fortified weeks
i could probably drop some haste but that 385 socket ring from mother aint goin anywhere
plain cairn
because your poison&bleed are ticking much longer on much more target
delicate crater
ok Jayd that makes sense: Raidbots is telling me to re- gem/enchant for Mastery and I'm sitting at 26/16/29 with full haste stacking
craggy needle
I see some high m+ rogues running 340 SS traits in dungeons. Is this rly worth over, say, a 385 archive?
slate bear
!m+
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formal parrot
if someone can answer @stoop question i'd love to know too
currently one SoB one SS one Archive
solar abyss
you gota sim it but different situations might make one better than the other
craggy needle
ashine said it's not worth on his stream
385 archive more valuable than low ilvl ss
solar abyss
yea i would say use the 385
craggy needle
but 370 SS still rly good
plain cairn
Guyz i got some trinkets and im never sure what to use in M+ this week... 385 construc overcharger, 380 galecaller, 375 dices, 370 spyglass, 370 dooms wake and fathom
i was running dices and dooms wake but now i got spyglass and im not sure if it would be better than one of those 2
plain cairn
yeah i use gale on tyra weeks
but this week its not the best
when i use the dungeon fight script for simming it tells me that construct with dices woudl be the best option but im really not sure about that...
plain cairn
ok ok ty imma try it at least
dark crag
I know that feel
delicate crater
so is 5 bosses 40 seconds a "bad" M+ representation or is it decent?
spice surge
!m+
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spice surge
@royal lantern Today was "lets try to just do it without playing around the rogues, we should make the push anyway"
A couple % of still π
So we went back to playing sub again
People padding too much though but its w/e
delicate crater
can you use the M+ script with Top Gear?
spice surge
Yes
supple compass
Hey, how do you guys open on two target fights with multiple SS, for example freehold boss #2
Do you just open on one normally until vendetta runs out, than start cleaving, or do you try to get pandemic garrote on both coming out of stealth, and spend the vendetta timer attending to both.
sturdy python
SS T1>SS T2>SS T1
strange python
^^
supple compass
Ok, then do you still try to put up a max duration rupture on t1? Or go right into vendetta exsang. Because you will have max cp after switching back to t1
sturdy python
I just use max rup and exsang with it
Couldnt tell you if its correct or not though
supple compass
So you think the dps difference between either of the two methods is negligible? Because itβs not like rupture duration is nearly as important as garrotez
sturdy python
Always seemed to me trying to get a second rup out takes too long at that point and a 5 pt rup is 24 sec which is larger than the 22s suggestion for exsang
inner pecan
garrote on main target, then garrote on off target, garrote on priority target, rupture, vendetta, exsanguinate, mutilate, mutilate, rupture on nonpriority target, switch to main target, muti/envenom until garrote drops off, vanish, double garrote
something like that
sturdy python
Probably negligible if anything yes
inner pecan
For bosses like 2nd boss Freehold/Shrine
velvet kernel
Should I be top dps on ghuun?
strange python
civic palm
no?
civic palm
Are they also all rogues?
velvet kernel
No
velvet kernel
No
civic palm
SURV hunters?
velvet kernel
No
strange python
Maybe most of better dps are doing mechanics? π
civic palm
ouch
velvet kernel
Mechanics are killing things no?
dusky tinsel
im guessing this isnt mythic g'huun, because if you have a sin rogue as top dps on that shit then gl lul
velvet kernel
It is mythic
dusky tinsel
O_o
velvet kernel
Well
civic palm
Won't matter until P2 anyway.
acoustic atlas
raidbots has a slice drop down now
dusky tinsel
I didn't even think rogues got brought to g'huun unless its on farm
strange python
You got to mythic ghuun, i wouldnt say ur guild is bad
dusky tinsel
well then that's probably why, tripple garrotes, dark bargain and vendetta usually does pretty good opening damage
velvet kernel
Yeah
civic palm
Like I said they won't see damage until you're killing spawns.
velvet kernel
Idk just seems like ppl are doing super low dps so I was wondering
civic palm
Unless it's DMG to big add, meh.
untold current
I dont think opening dmg matters much tho
And still get shit on by frost dks, dhs
acoustic atlas
You guys trust this slice thing? All the top rogues in M+ are running heavy mastery and like 8-10% haste and this slice weights wants me to just max haste.
edgy crystal
acoustic atlas
Yeah thinking the same. I'm thinking like 10% haste max
dump everything else into mastery/crit
cerulean walrus
Yeah
acoustic atlas
Raidbots slice weights just want me to enchant/gem everything haste. Doesnt make sense
cerulean walrus
I mean you still want some haste in boss fights so 10% seems fair
Otherwise you'll just be raging at your energy bar
Right
But maxing it?
That doesn't make sense
Well yes, but when M* is mostly 2+ target
Why would you max out your haste over mastery or crit?
M+
Yeah cause your bleeds are basted
Basted
I hate phones... I won't be playing Diablo lmao
Hasted*
fresh ginkgo
Dungeon slice what's that
fast bison
!m+
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velvet kernel
Never played feral
Sin is not super slow or fast
Would just say itβs in the middle ?
echo cargo
S L O W
last crown
feral? feral is...chaotic.
i play a druid and a rogue. sin feels somewhat similar to feral, in that it's a lot of damage over time, but feral is straight chaos and SIN is pretty simple
you wont have to worry about the insane chaos of snapshotting dots for the most part, which drove me wild on feral as to how weird it gets
neat haven
anyone have free time to look at my logs from heroic uldir and tell me how to improve dps? lol
last crown
yeah, theres les sof that type of stuff with sin
spice surge
Tbh it doesnt really matter much as long as you have your CDs up for p3 when you hero
Thats the only phase of g'huun where the damage is tight
raven mica
I can vendetta like 3 times before p3 starts ya?
civic palm
Yeah depends on them orbbois.
strange python
p3 starts around 6min mark
spice surge
Technically you can vendetta 3 times if you get to p3 at around 6 which is pretty standard
marble hemlock
you get one in p1, and one in p2. popping a second in p2 means you wont have it on start of p3, where you pop BL
raven mica
Let's assume that p3 starts at like 6:30
spice surge
But i mean
raven mica
alright so 2 vendettas.
marble hemlock
you usually vendetta somewhere on pull, then on 1st add in p2, and then you dont reallly get the time to use it a 3rd time and have it immediately when p3 starts
raven mica
I would assume then one on the big wormyboi and then should the 2nd one be on a gibbering horror or on ghuun during 1st beam>
marble hemlock
since carrying orb gets in the way of using it on CD
nah
big worm gets killed by the beam
dark young dies to cleave
spice surge
The p1 vendetta is pretty irrelevant regardless tbh
marble hemlock
so the most efficient use would be to pop it on one of the small tentacles that almost no one else attacks
spice surge
I use it on big worm
marble hemlock
cause less damage in raid etc., but it really doesnt matter
you shouldnt ever attack the big worm regardless, since youre better off hitting one of the small ones, makes it easier to run out if you get explosion, and youre supposed to interrupt these while ranged interrupt big worm
but obviously every raid does it a little differently anyway
raven mica
We have 4 melee kicking the big worm and I'm the first one
marble hemlock
well then, there you go, just vendetta that guy
although that means you wont have vendetta for the first gibbering horror
spice surge
But in all seriousness, its just that it used to live long enough to get plenty of casts of
marble hemlock
because that one spawns at ~2:45
neat shuttle
is 2 ss 1 archive stillt he target for outer azerite? all same ilvl 375
spice surge
And we needed melees for a shorter cd
raven mica
This is why I'm asking these questions
marble hemlock
so if you delay vendetta/vanish too much on pull, you wont have it right for the first horror
raven mica
When does the first big worm spawn?
spice surge
Im running when that add spawns so i just save my cds for reorigination thing
marble hemlock
on progression, killing those horrors asap before they get the third cast off is probably one of the key things that can still wipe you regularly
spice surge
58 or something
marble hemlock
do you know which orb-grp youre assigned to already?
raven mica
group 5, and only running once, so 2nd set before the first laser in phase 2
So right after I drop stacks for first feast I'm running
marble hemlock
probably same as eleem then, since thats the grp that starts running right after the first bloodfeast
so yeah, pop vendetta whenever
since you wont be there for first add anyway
raven mica
Oh
spice surge
yeah thats my group, but how do you drop your stacks first
That feast is not before
Or not with our timings atleast
raven mica
My raid leader's also like changing groups up right now
marble hemlock
well, orb spawns during feast, but most grps wait for the feast, drop stacks on orbgrps 1+5, and then run orbs
raven mica
~~ we havent even pulled the boss yet, our hunter's just sitting in here practicing the auto feign death~~
spice surge
I run out during the soak thingies, before feast, since we only have 1 stack anyway
marble hemlock
delays orbs a bit, but doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things since youd have to wait for gateway debuff on orbgrp4 anyway if you do it instantly all the time
spice surge
Or we might get the second one as we run out
spice surge
Idk this boss just has so many different timings depending on exactly how your group does it
marble hemlock
you dont save anything by running instantly all the time, since you wait for 4th feast anyway
raven mica
We have first group solo'ing
marble hemlock
and even when delaying 5th orb by having orbgrps 1+5 in the first feast, you still get the final orb right as 4th feast hits
spice surge
That last group is typically late in my guild anyway so π€·
@raven mica I think my CD rotation works well, and since you're on the same orb try it and see how you like it, idk if its perfect
raven mica
Well if, in theory, I'm in that group that runs right after first feast (group 5) my vendetta usage should be something like big wormyboi and then on the first beam in p2
spice surge
Use in p1, then use on beam (so at like 4m) then on 6 min when p3 starts
marble hemlock
timers are a mess on that boss, so we always delay orbs a bit to make sure we dont get scuffed timers, even if it means the healers have to heal a bit more for ~5sec
spice surge
If you get moved to another group you prob want to vendetta the add
(im also assuming you want to kill the boss and not parse btw)
marble hemlock
we usually delay 3rd orb a bit (so grp1 doesnt run into gateway CD issues), delay 6th orb until after the wave (so wave timer is not giga-random after beam) and it always lines up so we still get 9th orb ready by the time the 4th feast comes around
raven mica
Alright my raid lead just pulled a fast one on me and moved me to group 3
marble hemlock
but yeah, if youre not orbgrp5, pop vendetta+vanish+exsang on the big add, if it gets a 3rd cast off, youre very likely to wipe
raven mica
Oh, I was gonna run TB on that fight
Since its more braindead and my brain is too small to handle exsang
marble hemlock
well, i dont know your gear, im still running SS+exsang on ghuun despite tb/dd simming higher for ST
shouldnt be a big difference either way
strange python
trust me exsang is just as brain dead
marble hemlock
play whatever youre most comfortable with, no reason to complicate a fight like ghuun by playing something youre not used to
i dont think the add-dps is really a big deal, if everyone switches accordingly and pops CDs there, instead of padding on boss during beam
raven mica
I can run 2x DD, 2x SS, 3x archive, and my trinkets are 385 overcharger+370 galecaller's
Also I saw top logs mostly using TB so ya know.
marble hemlock
well, top logs for ghuun are not trustworthy at all
strange python
exsang died during progress
raven mica
This boss hurts my fucking brain can I just go back to being a heroic raiding pug
strange python
Whats the point in that
spice surge
Yeah looking at toplogs you also see people running fok trait for ghuun
Which is obviously not good
marble hemlock
anyway, muffin, top logs are all using CDs not on the improtant stuff, but on getting as much dps as possible
strange python
the add dies instantly after 1st cast
raven mica
Oh I wasnt looking at that cheesy ass shit
marble hemlock
which almost always includes saving CDs for the 100% increased damage taken on ghuun
raven mica
Well I was looking at top logs not for vendetta usage, but for TB vs exsang
marble hemlock
which isnt necessary at all, and just wastes DPS on the adds
raven mica
That's why I'm asking here.
marble hemlock
pfff
@gusty kestrel
80k nup
i mean yeah
its farm
for you/me
so people do whatever
raven mica
Also all these people running loaded dice/plumage and its making me sad
strange python
makes no difference at this point
marble hemlock
anyway, dont play a spec youre not comfortable with durign progress
marble hemlock
TB is perfectly viable, exsang might be slightly better, or not, who knows
strange python
that paired with nerfs
strange python
half of the raid dont even need to touch the add
raven mica
I love how your double dose damage is just as high as mut damage
marble hemlock
unlucky
raven mica
You running 2x?
marble hemlock
had 17.4k in p3 this time, was pretty pog
raven mica
I havent even pulled the boss ecksdee
marble hemlock
yeah
so just wait and see
its progression after all, as long as you know that the add needs to die, and why it needs to die, youre golden
can always adapt mid-progress
if people are lazy/not doing their job, and you could do slightly more, it might be worth considering to try if you deal more damage to add with exsang, but if you can run 2dd1archive, you should do so if its higher simming than exsang+ss
marble hemlock
just do a regular 5min sim and see whats better
exsang will always come out ahead on 20sec fights
try to get gutripper t2 and impassive visage t3
raven mica
Yea I only have a gutripper on my fetid chest
marble hemlock
impassive visage is broken on ghuun
raven mica
Actually.....
spice surge
I mean, if you have gutripper it should prob already be on your gear as it generally sims the highest
raven mica
I have a gutripper on a vectis helm and fetid chest
ok hold up my brain hurts lemme list my azerite rn
spice surge
Just take whatever sims the highest
No joke, the fight is basicly just a ST fight in the end. Thats where the damage actually matters
raven mica
DD helm/archive, gutripper helm
SS shoulders/archive shoulders
Archive and SS, Gutripper, Visage chest/DD chest
spice surge
Yikes hidden blades
marble hemlock
p3 might last more than 2 minutes on a firstkill, so if it does, exsang should be a lot better than TB
but go with TB for now
cause its unlikely you get 2x vend+vanish into p3
raven mica
Actually it would probably be better just for me to do this
https://gyazo.com/d76efe451dbac045475e39a1f7ed391b
raven mica
Even without the gutripper trait?
spice surge
yeah
marble hemlock
so dd helmet, archive shoulders, dd chest
raven mica
Alright so just run 1x DD 1x SS 1x archive
But the fetid chest has both gutripper AND impassable visage
raven mica
Cuz its the zul shoulders
spice surge
Zul shoulders have OP
raven mica
Also because I dont use those shoulders on sin, they're for sub/outlaw
marble hemlock
so helmet with dd+op+rp, shoulders with archive+op+sprint, chest with ss+gutripper+IV
would be best setup for ghuun imo
depends on whether you can afford swapping t2/t3 traits just for one boss
raven mica
I havent swapped in forever
spice surge
Reforging is reseting soon anyway
raven mica
they're 5g reforges rn
spice surge
The reset after the next one
marble hemlock
impassive visage is incredibly strong on ghuun
spice surge
with 8.1
marble hemlock
well, its not strong on ghuun, its broken
raven mica
wait why sprint instead of speed?
spice surge
I can finally not tilt like the tower in pisa when all my raid dpses the crawgs for no reason
Pog
It proccs of the soak things
marble hemlock
sprint is really good actually
spice surge
If its the whenever a thing dies
marble hemlock
its like 10% more movespeed for you
raven mica
Doesnt it also proc off of the ghuunies?
marble hemlock
and for everyone around you
spice surge
Yea
raven mica
that seems a bit more useful than sprint
spice surge
The g'huunies too, but p1 isnt overly relevant
marble hemlock
youre not attacking those
raven mica
OK got u
spice surge
You dont need the killing blow
marble hemlock
you dont?
spice surge
Nope
marble hemlock
hmkay
spice surge
How would it proc of boils if you needed killing blow? π€
marble hemlock
probably like old victory rush, as long as you attacked in the last 1.5sec before it dies or smth
raven mica
just an fok would be like a 40k heal ya?
spice surge
@marble hemlock Not even top10 for hps logs
strange python
isnt coastal healing potion some legion shit
spice surge
Disapointed
marble hemlock
nah
its the bfa one
and i dont spam CV during p2/p1, so i cant get healing logs
normal bough
Is there somewhere that shows where I can see which pieces have which traits?
To be more specific, I'm looking for which azerite pieces have battlefield precision
marble hemlock
im not like our boomy
spice surge
marble hemlock
going for hps logs
well
when its like
2% hp
and i still have pot+stone and 6stacks
i just pop them
not like they cost anything
normal bough
@spice surge fuck i took the wrong shoulders
anything i can do about taht? or am i cooked
strange python
who cares at this point season almost over
normal bough
damn feelsbadman
seems like every rogue/priest mirror i lose to, it's when the rogues top damage is battlefield
raven mica
you're gonna stay sin forever and ur gonna like it
marble hemlock
and siege of ogrimmar errr dazaralor has plenty of council-like fights where assa will be strong
was thinking what traits to run for m+
probably gonna shoot for 3xscent, 1xtkk, 1xss, 1xechoing
or multiple echoing if its as broken as it is on PTR
1ttk seems like huge value even on an exsang build
yeah
strange python
no
marble hemlock
will newly dropped uldir azerite have 5th ring as well?
strange python
no
strange python
No it doesnt
strange python
yet they arent on PTR?
spice surge
^
marble hemlock
to get it to drop to see, no?
strange python
or you could open journal???
marble hemlock
not necessarily
marble hemlock
since journal just links to a specific item-ID, if that changes to reflect the changes to the azerite items (which it needs to, otherwise those 5th ring changes would apply retroactively which they dont)
so theyd need to update journal to reflect the new item IDs, and i doubt they do that on PTR
spice surge
There are no pieces with archives+Sob anyway seli
spice surge
its only 385 anyway
spice surge
If theres 2 targets its better than archives
marble hemlock
its 1/2 of an archive, and siege has plenty of multi-target fights where multi-rupturing is actually valid
385 scent is 135 agi, archive is 280
and you dont need to stack to 20
well, it might only be 385, but getting new higher ilvl azerite quickly isnt a guarantee either
strange python
and battle traits are 441
spice surge
Oh yeah, 390 is 143 though, whereas archives stays at the same
marble hemlock
so running old raid and get traded specific pieces with double-bis traits
might still be better than getting a mediocre 400 one
spice surge
new Raid has pretty good ones iirc
spice surge
Gonna be buying random 415's from the vendor anyway
marble hemlock
got fetid chest for the first time in our 6th rekill
spice surge
π
marble hemlock
vectis helmet on 7th rekill
so not exactly counting on my luck
my SP alt who skipped 3 weekly chests and doesnt raid got more 385 azerite than my rogue :<
might be good for raids, but i doubt it
mostly concerned to minmax for m+ anyway
spice surge
http://piclair.com/data/hdm4o.jpg
Shoulders from new raid
civic palm
1 please
marble hemlock
nice
civic palm
tyvm
marble hemlock
shit t3/t4 tho
civic palm
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
civic palm
WHELP GET ON IT
raven mica
oh jayzeus christo
raven mica
I am on group 3 doing the shadowstep onto jade serpent statue thing
civic palm
GL
civic palm
Yeah I would not try on right side.
raven mica
im on left side
civic palm
nope, get someone else
strange python
nice potato dps there
marble hemlock
probably gonan need resounding protection on atleast 2 pieces for next season :<
wait, why did you ping argo? π
civic palm
l o l
marble hemlock
oh
okay
i mean
i dont even hit 19k singeltarget
cause i dont have giga-gear like you for raiding
π¦
spice surge
8 sockets though π
strange python
spice surge
Beating my 7 socket setup by 100 dps :/
raven mica
I dont wanna be the guy gettin blamed if I fuck up my shadowstep onto the jade serpent statue
exotic glen
so im like 18,6 now i think
strange python
idk what to say if you can't press step on the right target
raven mica
Nah like the sprint up
yea but sometimes I dont jump right and cant step up
oh its just cuz my MW is boosted and fucks up his statue placement
raven mica
I sim like 18.7k
marble hemlock
yup
raven mica
I've still got 370 rings on without sockets
marble hemlock
379 and 386 basically spit out same DPS cause one has 7 sockets, the other has 1 π
strange python
ye farm is fun, unless something with a socket drops, it's getting sharded
marble hemlock
i like how ttk chest sims higher than SS chest in an exsang build
nah
oh yeah, nvm
but yeah
its baiscally
triple OP
*basically
lusty gale
Hi, i am new to the game, and i've been relaying a lot on sim from raidbots and mr robot and it says i have pretty good stats but when i check out warcraftlogs and check the guys with equivalent ilvl they tend to have way higher haste like twice as much, so first of all who do i trust? and is there way to simulate ur dmg with the inputted stat values?
raven mica
Is it even worth it to use the shadowstep onto jade statue?
Like: as a part of ur strat?
strange python
array gives 750 haste
lusty gale
and is there such addons that show u where to get the items with best primary stat?
marble hemlock
generally no muffin, unless you dont have enough warlocks/monks/druids who can be second orb runner
if you do have enough of those, they have a much easier time being the 2nd runner in every orb grp
DH as well
but if you dont have enough of those, then putting rogue as a second runner is the next best option
spice surge
Tbh just running regularly isnt too bad
pk makes the slows shrink pretty fast and you can pretty much just run
raven mica
4 locks, 2 druids, 2 monks
Yea.
?
my brain 2 smol
So I poison knife the zits before I catch and then just gun it with my portal?
raven mica
395 galecaller's 
marble hemlock
its the only thing i get lucky on, trinkets
385 doomswake, 395galecallers, 385spyglass
although i didnt get the doomswake until this week
raven mica
IDK I just practiced that jump a buncha times now before we start pulling it on tuesday
marble hemlock
topgear sim without premium is horrible for me
rings and trinkets alone
are horrible
π¦
ionic charm
solution: run keys less, get less gear
marble hemlock
gear isnt even that good π¦
except for trinkets
not a single ring 380 with a socket
viscid crown
make a spreadsheet to keep track π
untold cargo
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/guxh4.
untold cargo
how the hell you use this shit with topgear
just pasting
fight_style=DungeonSlice
does not work
marble hemlock
doesnt work with topgear as far as im aware
marble hemlock
you can. you just need to run 2 different advanced sims with it, one with each talent/azerite setup, and then compare the results (and take them with a grain of salt)
untold cargo
yup
marble hemlock
unluck
hows the push going?
NA has been going ham this week while EU is still asleep π
marble hemlock
giga
ruby idol
Still havent rolled a 21 ur yet
marble hemlock
weve been fishing for 20/21 underrots/temples
got like
10 atals so far
not a single underrot
...
marble hemlock
tol feels frustrating as fuck to play this week, idk
not sure which is worse, sanguine tol, or tyrannical tol where you gotta pray to RNGesus for 0 overlaps on last boss
marble hemlock
yeah
ruby idol
Just no fun
marble hemlock
i mean, shrine21 was doable last week, but id rather drink bleach than actually try that
huge respect for ashine and the boys for going hard last week actually
marble hemlock
π
ML20 is doable tho
just annoying since you gotta go slow
no giga 100k pulls for assa there π¦
ruby idol
I think well just wait for next week for that
marble hemlock
ye
next week is gonna be 21s everywhere, probably 22s, except for temple/underrot
ruby idol
Ya im syked
marble hemlock
im not
ruby idol
Next week is just a straight up fun week
ruby idol
Monka
marble hemlock
also, how the fuck were we chatting just now, but you just sat down on your chair again on stream?
are you a wizard?
ruby idol
Mobile phones in 2018
marble hemlock
still dont have one :<
steep obsidian
π
civic palm
marble hemlock
fake news
strange python
seli i am still sitting on my hc daggers := i lost my faith
buoyant coyote
@strange python dude I was on normal dagger for 9 weeks
Finally got the mother M ones
quick void
Bruvs.. Bruvs..
buoyant coyote
Huge diff in dps xD
strange python
??
buoyant coyote
Basically did 20 + rolls
strange python
at least u have one
quick void
I had a 301 dagger from a quest reward untill I bought the Xing dagger on AH.
strange python
so stop drama pls
quick void
Was doing 10 keys with that dagger no joke.
cunning fiber
@quick void
buoyant coyote
With dubble roll every week
supple hearth
Haven't seen daggers from mother in forever
They drop all the time in heroic but not mythic
I get the ring every time
buoyant coyote
@supple hearth havnt seen hc one drop for ever
quick void
I had real trouble finding a dagger for a few weeks. Spamming TDs, always looking at WQs, doing normal and HC raids. Was tough back then tbh
strange python
yeah 3x times .. at least one 395
buoyant coyote
Using m+ 375 and 385 m now
onyx rock
I got 5 Mythic Dagger so far... 3x Mother, 2x Zul π€·
warm ibex
ebon garden
i almost feel jealous about your daggers, then i remember im a filthy heroic raider and should be happy with my 380 and 370 daggers
patent topaz
I got a 390 dagger from weekly chest 2 weeks ago and last week I bonus rolled a 390 socket mother weapon on our 10th kill. 375/370 before that
cold meteor
Got 380/370 daggers since the 3rd week of Mythic +. 6 Mother & 3 Zul kills, bonus roll every time 
mortal meadow
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
fringe urchin
hello on single target what is the main spender that does the damage ?
envenome or rupture ?
normal spear
if you ask that question, you should check the guide (in the pins) to understand how the spec plays
but envenom is the main one, rupture must be just maintained on target at all times
strange python
So i'm curious, I've only ever done assassination spec for pvp and curious how it holds up in pvp
tame stratus
mfd for m+ guys?
random scroll
vigor
tame stratus
ty
echo night
Does Shadowmeld for nelfs apply subtrefuge??
tame stratus
yes
echo night
And why doesnt every1 go nelf??
Thats insane...
A 2nd vanish and burst window for garrotegarrote
Garrote*
Wouldnt that make nelf the best race for assass?
rare jackal
cant meld during raids bosses IIRC
grizzled jay
Yeah for M+ its very powerful
echo night
Then its a done deal xD Nelf INC
So sick of horde on Tarren mill eu... All method fanboiz and 12 year old kids -_- overwhelming tantrums in every other group i join :S
uneven basin
Guys thinking of lvling a rogue for m+ content but is it hard to play? I main balance druid
normal spear
it's not hard to play. it's more about gameplay: if you like multidotting/target swapping, give it a shot
jagged elk
hey guys!
do we use our dooms wake paired up with vendetta? (in a macro)
random scroll
you can yes
i'd suggest binding to an other button aswell in case you're doing dungeons and only want to use it on a pull while keeping vendetta
random scroll
better than no racial
visual token
Doesnβt it clear bleeds?
echo night
Id immagine that having 9x emp garrotes off the bat on big pulls would be INSANE
Especially with 3x 385 SS
short pivot
quaint flare
random scroll
NE is only good in M+
while dwarf is good on both
(M+ and raids)
but who plays alliance anyway right
uneven ibex
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
uneven basin
So what you guys recommend. Nightelf or Dark Iron Dwarf
light rampart
signal salmon
Hey guys 2 ss or 2 dd for fetid prog?
random scroll
If you really want to min max races on ST/Raids play dwarf
If you want to min max M+ play NE, free subterfuge window, allows easier skips and can be used as a defensive on certain abilities
@uneven basin
but tbh play what you find cute
lone junco
@signal salmon any time you can vanish double garrote. You will probably want at least 1 SS.
Can see that in most good logs that aren't using something cheesy.
scenic wyvern
Most sites say Deadly Nav MH / Quick Nav OH... I've got mine the other way around as I was low on gold for a bit. Does it make any difference in dps with them on diff hands?
ok cheers
keen pumice
Hey, probably noob questions but I'd appreciate any help -
- Why does evasion not work in UR when you're fixated by Bloodswarmers? I even pop evasion and backpaddle so that I'm facing them.
- Why does cloak of shadows not work on Mother mythic (crossing over chambers)? I pop cloak when I'm crossing and I still get a ton of damage (it says it's arcane damage and therefore magic damage, which should be prevented by cloak).
Thanks in advance and cheers
scenic wyvern
feint when crossing, save hearthstone for second cross - for mother. nfi to answer your question though. If we could cloak, it would be no challenge at all
spice surge
Feint doesnt work either
keen pumice
So, why does Cloak not work if it negates magic damage, but other immunities do?
winter moss
blizzard works in mysterious ways
spice surge
Feint doesnt work
see from our latest log
http://piclair.com/data/1byx4.jpg
Notice how the damage doesnt change when he feints
ripe nimbus
It counts as environmental damage not magic that's why
quick ice
Doesn't the 1st second of cloak work, the part where everything goes "immune" instead of "miss"? Haven't done mother in a couple weeks.
scenic wyvern
good to know
sturdy python
@keen pumice evasion doesn't work on bloodswarmers because it's actually just doing shadow damage. Apparently cant Dodge it. Should be able to cloak though
keen pumice
Cheers
winter moss
imo evasion should work too but yall know blizzard
keen pumice
Was a bit confusing since you can BoP the fixate
random scroll
Physical debuff magical damage
keen pumice
Yeah
random scroll
Like nightblade
Good rule of thumb us what you can't cloak can be evaded
Is* goofy phone
Best thing is to get MDT and right click any mob you have doubt on, it'll show the list of abilties it has
With all the tooltips so you can see the type of damage it does
strange python
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
keen pumice
I have MDT, just always assumed it was physical damage and never checked out the mob itself
Thanks tho π
wary ice
in m+ is Archive better or worse than Scent for blood? wait nevermind sims exist
solid nova
It's the same option we had before with the !m+ command
Just implemented into raidbots
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
calm quartz
@keen pumice My guild rogue was telling me cloak works fine, but crossing the mother barrier removes it, just like a pallys bubble. So he cloaks and stays on first side to avoid damage/split SLT damage, then goes last through. (Same with pally)
keen pumice
A bubble doesn't get removed when you cross the barrier tho π
calm quartz
Maybe it was spellwarding he was talking about then?
keen pumice
π€·
calm quartz
I heard the conversation in passing wasnt paying attention 100% just wanted to throw that in because that might be what happens
Not 100% sure though
wary ice
why not just go through then immediately cloak?
vapid moth
... it really removes cloak?
dusky tinsel
does cloak prevent being accounted for in spirit link though? never had to use it when we 20 man cross at once, just use feint
dusky tinsel
oh really? thought it did since its raid wide damage, good to know I guess
never died crossing as 20 though so I guess it doesn't really matter π€·
strange python
hello one question
what enchants should I use on weapons?
Stat weights
so Double haste on weapons?
Fast navigation?
vale marten
no, haste and then the second stat which is highest for you
double the same statis useless
solid nova
@opaque grotto Dont troll spec channels.
opaque grotto
Lul dude
solid nova
If you want to meme and troll it belongs in off topic.
opaque grotto
If someone actually uses power torrent they need serious help.
solid nova
And if you dont feel you can answer a question in the spec channels, you have no obligation to answer.
opaque grotto
Lighten up, guy
solid nova
Take note of the rules.
strange python
No fun allowed in here @opaque grotto
opaque grotto
Clearly!
keen inlet
Hi.
Stop being turd buckets.
Thanks.
I'd stop typing, Jingle, unless the next thing you say is "Sorry, I'll stop being a turd bucket."
opaque grotto
lol
keen inlet
!mute @opaque grotto 1h
worn thistle
Was looking at Afernar's WA and the comments - does anyone know if he/she was able to add empowered garrote onto the collection of trackers? Sorry, currently unable to login to game to check myself.
normal spear
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
keen inlet
Hi Scath
it now occurs to me it's hard to see a changelog on wago
I've never tried to before
and Afenar doesn't have any listed on wowinterface
heh
lone junco
marsh bloom
I don't know what to do for better gear
I have 370 rings with sockets and all 370 gear π¦
strange python
Raid, m+ ???
marsh bloom
I know it's just boring
I can never do exsg it feels like either lol
It always sims lower than TB
Do you just need really fucked weights to do Exsg?
marsh bloom
I really don't see much of a difference between tb and exsg other than tb would be more useless
and exsg could just be used on a target after you Garrote 3x CT Rupture
strange python
Exsang gives u regen boost
marsh bloom
IB?
marsh bloom
sockets are worth 20 ilvls?
I didn't know what internal bleeding was but I got it thanks c:
in rings
marsh bloom
I think it would still give you the regen
but yea I would still think ironwire is OP
dusky tinsel
why would you use kidney to begin with though lol
dusky tinsel
not even
wary ice
I'm 90% sure you dont need to stun for IB bleed
dusky tinsel
IB bleed isn't worth the CP though
like, if you're fighting a tyrannical boss, and decide to use kidney shot on it, you're playing the class wrong. Unless you get the stun utility out of it on an add or something. I just don't see how you can justify using Kidney for the bleed effect only
marsh bloom
I don't see where it says it regens energy