sometimes really important to get those first few sec so your cooldowns are lined up with adds
#assassination
dark token
dense quest
or just creep closer to boss since stealth
fair blaze
Or shadowstep compared with tricks, to avoid getting melee
dense quest
make them jump off
normal spear
Quick question: outside of TB should you pool energy before Envenom or use it right away for env buff uptime?
dense quest
pay them to jump off
dark token
anyone above 18k is mega pad
visual token
Bribe dk to grip ooze
fair blaze
XD, it gives better result when you are RL
strange python
soundboard him saying it somewhere
dark token
also is it just me or is every china/kr guild mega pad parsing or what
fluid owl
Thanks folks, appreciate the honesty and advice.
echo crest
vendeta only afects rupture during Vendetta duration right?
dark token
ye
echo crest
i mean if i rupture vendetta last seconds all my rupture damage will be big?
dark token
no
echo crest
or only those sec
dark token
no
raven mica
Anyone got a cooldown timer for M mythrax? Cuz I’ve got it so I can 1st vendetta on boss, 2nd exsang on second living weapon, 2nd vendetta on 1st destroyer but then I feel lost after that because myth, the weapon, and potentially the 2nd big add are all up on my 4th exsang.
And then things don’t really line up for the rest of the fight.
sturdy python
Yes Ace, dots update dynamically for the most part
echo crest
thanks
raven mica
?
Even with a galecaller’s?
raven mica
That sounds REALLY wrong.
dark token
you want to line up vanish ventta with boss/weapon
so you have to use exsang without
during ph2
if you line it with galecallers youll miss an exsang
in phase 2
these are phase 2s
if you line it with galecallers it will be with nothing happeneing with mythrax immune while add walks ovr
this misses a usage
raven mica
So you wait for your 3rd exsang to line up with vanish vendetta?
dark token
vanish vendetta is 1) boss/add, 2) destroyer as soon as they are up, no lineup 3) boss/add
i havent tested exsang past halfway it might be better to do on cd 0 lineup
but exsang on cd and lineup for your last vendetta/vanish is what i did and makes sense to me
raven mica
Are you talking about phase 2 specifically here or during phase one I can line the 2nd exsang+galecaller’s up right as the 2nd add spawns and have my combo for destroyer
dark token
everything to 3:30 is perfect
now here i chose to line up because i couldnt gain a exsang usage
due to our killtime
being really fuckin fast
if our killtime is slower i suggest using exsang on cd with 0 lineup
unless yours is >8:30 killtime
and you get another vanish vendetta
raven mica
We still haven’t gotten past 2nd intermission
dark token
i would use exsang on cd and vanish/vendetta where i suggested then
dont worry about exsang lineup
raven mica
Aight
dark token
yeah
our destroyers die REALLY fast
which is why i have to pop cds right away with 0 sync
else the cds are wasted
raven mica
We’re phasing him right as 2nd vendetta comes up, and the 1st destroyer doesn’t die until after the 2nd beam
dark token
also tbh tb might be better on this fight
overall
even for builds with 2ss and galecallers where exsang is normally good
the longer the fight the better tb sims
and you dont have to worry about lineup
i sim 300 dps higher with exsang at 5 mins
raven mica
And then our DUMBASS tank waits until like right as 4th beam happens before the add is in range for me to go to poundtown
raven mica
Yea I also got super fucking lucky and have 2x DD+archive
raven mica
DD SS archive simmed higher
Also my trinkets are gale-caller’s+overcharger and I have like 30% haste in raid
Exsang simmed higher
dark token
sim at 8 min for mythrax
lone hamlet
Is scent of blood any good for mythic ?
dark token
no
raven mica
My brain is too small to think about simming 8 mins
Maybe I’ll just play TB to turn my brain off even more during that fight
sturdy python
Tb probably Sims that much better at 8 minutes because that's a kill time right before the next exsang is ready. Sim at 8:30 exsang would make it up again I'm sure
raven mica
How the hell am I supposed to know what my mongoloid guild is gonna kill it at
languid ore
That wasn't me
sturdy python
Richard is about
dark token
exsang is also worse than it sims on mythrax cause of desync from phases
raven mica
Maybe I just play sub on that fight
raven mica
We have an unholy dk anyways
solid nova
dark token
just play tb and use vanish/vendetta on cd it should be much better
im honestly gonna do that next time anyway
raven mica
Prooooobably
sturdy python
I don't raid mythic but if you're desyncing exsang and have dd tb has to benefit
raven mica
Take advantage of that 2x DD
dark token
90% of top parse on mythrax are tb for a reason
raven mica
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r1qtKNGJkwgD8xTb#boss=2135&difficulty=5&wipes=1
Lemme know if I fucked anything else up real bad (yes I know I casted mut 3 times in a row I’m sick and my brain is turned off)
dark token
be a greedy fuck and cloak the beam if its gonna cast where living weapon spawns as you vanish
dark token
🤦
raven mica
It doesn’t do THAT much damage
raven mica
It takes like
dark token
kinda nervous
raven mica
Half my HP
raven mica
120 vers*
dark token
just try tb
especially with your azerite
even with my build totally optimised for exsang i think tb will perform equal or better
i have like 2.1k haste and 2xSS
raven mica
I can actually go 2xSS or 2xDD or 3x archive if I wanted
On top of both of those trinkets being haste machines
dark token
if your guild is REALLY having trouble with final phase try 3x archive
as in desperate times
raven mica
We haven’t even gotten past 2nd intermission yet
The strugglebus isn’t here yet
The strugglebus is gonna be going fucking Mach 5 too if our war BIG FUCKING DARIUS is dead like I always see
fresh folio
For m+ how would you gear for m+ crit mastery, but when would you value agi over the right stats ?
lunar whale
Question, should I pick 2 Shrouded suffocations/ 1 Archive of the titans OR 1Shrouded suffocations/ 2 Archive of the titans? Thanks
strange python
Sim it
marsh bloom
does a 360SS instead of 375SS would that be allot of damage in M+?
strange python
375SS instead of 360SS is better
strange python
You're still phrasing it wrong 
normal spear
why do you ask?
marsh bloom
allot of damage lost/gained
normal spear
if you can upgrade, do it
marsh bloom
raid vs M+
sturdy python
Look at herodamage Ilvl sheet, can give you an idea
marsh bloom
I use Archive for raid...
I'm asking
for
M+
is it gonna be allot of damage if I use 360 isntead of 375
damage lost
or is it not that much?
wary ice
if i had to estimate
sturdy python
Probably
strange python
Lol
solid nova
My head hurts
marsh bloom
cause tooltip doesn't tell how much damage it does
normal spear
you don't want to reforge, you should have said that in the first place
marsh bloom
😦
solid nova
So you want to know what kind of loss taking -15 ilvls is for SS
because you dont want to reforge
sturdy python
Check herodamage charts...
strange python
strange python
marsh bloom
yes
thats not the total damage....
it does @strange python
because the bleed is also allot more
wary ice
How accurate is that michee?
solid nova
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/guxh4.
strange python
Well it depends on level of the key
wary ice
I tried using the fight script but i def fucked something up lol
solid nova
The video link shows you where to paste it 🤷🏼
wary ice
then yeah i fucked it up lol. I'll give it another shot when i get home
wary ice
THats all I'm looking for
wary ice
REally just if i can get way with still stacking haste :/
hallow beacon
May be a dumb question, but does it matter which weapon enchant is on main hand and off hand?
strange python
No
hallow beacon
Cool, thanks!
strange python
So, after I complete my opener would it be wise to hold my 2nd Exsang at 45sec for my Galecallers to come back up? 🤔 or should I just use both on CD?
solid nova
Pins
strange python
Reeee
solid nova
How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2:25
strange python
Literally
fast bison
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/guxh4.
marsh bloom
tol is prety ST right?
grim valley
If you wa
hollow stone
@lone junco
marsh bloom
My 385 construct sims more than my 365 spyglass
but I don't see the construct proccing often
is it really gonna be better if it sims better?
in M+
frosty robin
finite acorn
oh yea if you are using exsg too
strange python
How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2:25
undone sandal
How much stats are you boys on in m+?
finite acorn
that doesnt say tho when to use it on opener thats what im wondering :p
dense quest
use it with your vendetta
spice surge
It doesnt really matter, as long as you use it before you exsang
finite acorn
kk ty bois
wary ice
lots of vigor from what i see, which makes sense since vigor lets you get 3 garrotes in comfortably
marsh bloom
ah ok
wary ice
you can access their armory pages from there
which has their talents
probably not a perfect metric, but
strange python
@finite acorn It literally says use it on cooldown
Can you not read
Its really not that hard to utilize wowlogs and herodamage etc.
@marsh bloom No, no1 plays MFD on sin
hollow mica
If my top gear says I sim best with double dose and not SS. Should I go for DD?
spice surge
Marked for death is actually quite decent in m+
But it requires way too much micro-managing for basicly equal results, so not very worth
@hollow mica Yes for ST just follow your sims
hollow mica
Alrighty
spice surge
If anything, the talent you'd replace vigor with would be deeper, but you need very high crit for it
Since most of the benefit of vigor is lost once you get your ruptures up
strange python
Yeah but the initial +50 energy is big
spice surge
Hence "very high crit" so you get those ruptures up asap
Higher than currently feasible
strange python
You can't drop Vigor for anything else when you're using SS in m+
Since you won't get that 3rd garrote in
spice surge
Yes you will?
strange python
45 energy
spice surge
3 SS costs 135 energy. You have 120, so you need to regen 15 energy in 2s
spice surge
Seli was saying about how deeper+nightstalker could be pretty pog, open on a big pull with NS 6cp CT
Obv SS is better for small pulls
strange python
Yeah but you'd have to go into every pull with 6CP
Are you sure though that you can get 3SS without vigor
white igloo
I would be kinda surprised if you cant
The window for subterfuge is longer than 3 gcds
strange python
Its 3 seconds
white igloo
Yeah so you have an extra like .75s or so in there to regen energy
strange python
Well I guess it should be doable
white igloo
You’d just have to roll in to every pull at max energy
You would not be able to use the 4th garrote most likely tho
For a long time
strange python
Yeah even your first rupture would be late asf
And then if you ran CT it would be even more shit
velvet kernel
do you guys macro your trink and vendettA?
strange python
No, the idea for the DS / NS build is to start fight with 6CP CT
pastel vault
inner pulsar
So then why the question about Subterfuge?
strange python
So your initial CT does 50% more damage
I just said that going for anything other than Vigor while playing SS is kinda shit
inner pulsar
Ah
strange python
Unless you do comms or something like that
Or a high level pug
But people that do high keys are just premade anyways 😄
inner pulsar
M+ is lame anyway 😛
ripe nimbus
I'd agree just because the lack of reward system or in game ladder M+ has so much potential to be fun all they need to do is add in game leaderboards and add cosmetics/titles/mount rewards for people who actually push
Right now there is just no reason what so ever to push beside epeen raider io score no one cares about
inner pulsar
Yeah, the real hotness is premade LFR crushing. Parses are CRAZY
ripe nimbus
I just stopped pushing M+ there's literally no reason to
strange python
At the end of the day, you can just do LFR and get a 395 titanforge
ripe nimbus
Do my 10 for the week and log off
inner pecan
strange python
Legion dungeons were so much better than the current ones
inner pulsar
I might throw in the towel after we kill Ghuun
ripe nimbus
Legion dungeons were actually fun because u could pull the entire dungeon and AoE It down. BfA dungeons are boring slog fests
merry vault
strange python
Huh
inner pulsar
Envenom assuming you are running MA
inner pulsar
If you arent, the question doesn't make sense
strange python
Considering you are running subterfuge, you are vanishing to apply a buffed garrote, if you are running Master Assassin, your job is to Envenom twice in 3 seconds because MA increases your crit by 50%
inner pulsar
Welcome. Peace for you journey.
marsh bloom
@strange python I knew the sims said it was better
just the procs feel like its so low...
thats why I asked the discord
leaden garden
If I have 2 cp and Toxic Blade is off CD, do I use it or mutil to 4 cp and then TB? And same for if I have 1 cp?
strange python
TB on CD
So 2CP > toxic blade
Then if you get 3CP > mutilate (or garrote if in pandemic) > envenom
if you get 4 from TB > envenom
leaden garden
If I have 1 cp, I TB and them 2 mutil before envenom?
strange python
Finish 4+, never mutilate at 4cp
You can however garrote if in pandemic at 4cp
And then use finisher at 5
I’m pretty sure I’m garbage at sin
But I don’t know why lmao
inner pulsar
Uptime
strange python
I think my boss upstime and vendetta usage is probably the problem
inner pulsar
DoT Uptime
strange python
Yea
inner pulsar
Probably overcapping CPs as well
strange python
I run 4+
solid nova
Just link logs if you want to find out
inner pulsar
Though if you want actual answers, you would need to post logs
ripe nimbus
ripe nimbus
Shit... that hurts
stable pine
Where do you get 385 SS helm from @ripe nimbus ?
spice surge
Weekly chest
ripe nimbus
Rngesus
inner pulsar
Truth cuts deep dawg.
stable pine
Fml and shoulders?
spice surge
Weekly ofc
ripe nimbus
Rngesus again
stable pine
Are you sleeping with blizz employee?
ripe nimbus
No cause I'm ugly and have weird feet
inner pulsar
No, I already told you....yeah that
inner pulsar
Rnjesus blesses the lowest among us
ripe nimbus
Damn.. And they say uglies can never find love look what the rogue discord has done for me
blissful saddle
I hope all my inquiries get deleted when they sound like trolls...
craggy needle
surprised your array isnt' buffing your haste and you don't run exsang
2 socket struggle i guess
or just trade the mythrax ring for the zekvoz one and i think it'll buff haste
shrug
spice surge
I mean, as soon as his construct starts proccing he is gonna get haste
Or galecaller, or weapon enchant
craggy needle
true, gale's will do it for exsang window
but is that all you want it for? my haste is ahead of agi in value for me
inner pulsar
I think his point is more that there are multiple procs that would push him into haste stack, he is probably stacking haste for more of the fight than you think
spice surge
Besides, crit is also good
In fact, all stats are good for assa. Its a specc that scales very well with stats, especially compared to the other rogue speccs
ripe nimbus
My haste weight isn't that high I think my highest weighted stay atm is mastery lol
inner pulsar
Right, Mastery is highest for me as well
Scratch that, Crit is highest for me
In fact, haste barely beats vers for me now
spice surge
Its not that haste is getting worse, its that the other stats are getting better
craggy needle
depends on traits too
spice surge
Haste is equal to vers for me too, but thats not unexpected when i have like 1.5k of it
Everything above agi still though 😄
lost sentinel
equal to as in amount or equal to as in your stat weights?
spice surge
Stat weights
lost sentinel
with RA on?
lost sentinel
well the reason more haste is equal value to vers I assume is because RA gives you a ton of haste
spice surge
Yes thats what i said
lost sentinel
Agility being low value makes my 370 gear with gemslots super good heh
and that's almost all I get from M+ lately lol
I'm up to like 9 pieces of gear most 370, a couple 375/380s that have gemslots, at least for M+ my gear set has me at 375 but damn that gear overperforms by a mile for it's ilvl
hollow stone
At least you're not feral drud; 1600 haste base, before array... haste weight 4.00, agi weight 2.1, all other stats ~2.0.
Those poor bastards
lost sentinel
I heard they're shifting some agi in next tier to secondary stats, or something like that
strange python
I've never hated an expansion so much
hollow stone
Play classic for a month and realize how good we have it now
spice surge
Yeah i've heard something about that too but never read anything conclusive about it mobius
strange python
@hollow stone Can't really compare
inner pulsar
Oh, we can compare!
strange python
Just because of the date difference
hollow stone
Like lower agi for more secondaries? @lost sentinel @spice surge
strange python
Look how technology has changed
spice surge
Idk
inner pulsar
Comparisons will be made!
lost sentinel
yeah that is what I heard, probably was here, about the agi/secondary stats
hollow stone
I just laugh when i see people say "i never played vanilla, it'll be so fun!" Like no, no, my poor summer child
lost sentinel
I played vanilla 🤷 here to talk about sin rogue not vanilla 😃
hollow stone
That'd be interesting but then might run into early bfa problem of "my higher ilvl is worse, waaaahhhh"
lost sentinel
I think that whole ilvl thing is exaggerated, but there definitely were, or maybe are I dunno, some issues with weak traits
strange python
Azerite is the problem
I've seen people simming 1,5k higher than me depsite me being higher ilvl
lost sentinel
on the other hand you could say some traits aren't good for a specific content and that is okay
ripe nimbus
I mean BFA is a dumpster of an expac so far there's no denying that. Trinkets gutted no longer exciting don't get affected by cooldowns/buffs/debuffs they have become press on cooldown. No tier sets means our rotation will remain the same the rest of the expansion no looking forward to sets that change things up. Azerite traits are just as dull in 8.1 as they are now. The dungeons are dull. Uldir is dull... the only saving grace is that the raid in 8.1 is actually somewhat intresting
BfA is just a bad expansion so far.
strange python
Azerite is more rng than legendaries
spice surge
Right now maybe, in 8.1 no
lost sentinel
azerite basically replaced tier set bonuses, that can change things up if they tune them right
strange python
Well they're making a vendor for azerite gear
Which is the best thing they could do
hollow stone
@inner pulsar plz provide breakdown on optimal "azerite currency" use in 8.1. Thx
lost sentinel
vendors are gonna be nice for M+ runners like myself, no need to go to raids unless I want to
inner pulsar
Oh god
strange python
I mean raids will still be good in terms of loot
Since collecting a specific azerite piece can you take you up to 3-4 weeks considering you're trying to buy the highest ilvl
lost sentinel
main thing I need from raid is azerite gear, at least this tier just the chest
I'm okay with 3-4 weeks since I can get the 1 piece and be done
ripe nimbus
Targeting a mythic ilvl azerite piece with currency takes 5 to 6 weeks
strange python
@ripe nimbus Source?
ripe nimbus
Ur better off just buying the RNG box and praying u get what u want
strange python
There is no way it will be 5-6 weeks
1250 of Azerite Currency for a Cache, 3250 for the specific item
spice surge
They said 3-4 weeks in their QA's iirc
strange python
For a +10
lost sentinel
If I really need the ilvl boost, maybe I'll buy RNG box, but otherwise I'm gonna save and get the thing that is perfect
spice surge
Gonna depend on how much you get from a weekly (and where they cap it) and from scraping
strange python
So thats 2-3 weeks
Perhaps 2 weeks if you get a lot of azerite you can scrap
Can you buy just azerite pieces or any item with this new currency?
spice surge
Azerite pieces from dungeons
strange python
At which ilvl?
lost sentinel
you can buy specific pieces at 385 for this tier
verbal blaze
!statweights
spice surge
385-415
lost sentinel
you can buy RNG boxes at any ilvl including 385
strange python
Ah nice, still rocking a 345er chest :/
ripe nimbus
It's 2 to 3 weeks just for the RNG box of be item slot it's 5 to 6 for targeted possibly 4 if u farm alot. But it's def not 2 to 3 for targeted mythic azerite
lost sentinel
you can get 355/370 from emissary rewards if you're high enough ilvl now, I'd do that and save for the 385s
spice surge
the 385 isnt gonna take 6 weeks lol
Thats like 1 week, maybe 2
Its for 415 that its gonna take time
spice surge
I assume so, i dont see why not
vital haven
from what i understand it scales depending on the raid tier
ripe nimbus
I'm pretty sure the vendor isn't coming until the new raid is out. If it does then it would just bait people into wasting currency lol
inner pulsar
My understanding was the vendor came out with 8.1, which is prior to the raid release
lost sentinel
it's coming out 8.1
but once new tier comes out, I'd imagine they have a new currency no?
or the new stuff will be too expensive? dunno
spice surge
They'll just cap it so you cant hoard too much
ripe nimbus
Well if ur wasting currency on pre new raid ilvl stuff ur gonna be upset lol
lost sentinel
if I ever get chest from Mfetid I will only need a 385 helm and I'd be happy with Mvectis helm so 🤷
lost sentinel
vendor might be irrelevant for me this tier anyway
ripe nimbus
Ur mom
inner pulsar
That is true
lost sentinel
a lot of traits were "retired" or replaced in 8.1... but twist the knife is still there? weird
ripe nimbus
2 is alot?
ripe nimbus
Got me
inner pulsar
I'm a wealth of information
It comes spewing from me like waste from an overflowing sewer
lost sentinel
2 weeks to guaranteed get a BIS item sounds more than fine, plus you're not losing out on a weekly item to get it
visual quartz
really?
lost sentinel
yeah, currency for the vendor comes alongside loot from chest, not in place of it
visual quartz
I meant only doing it for 2 weeks for a BiS item. I understand people dont want to play as much anymore but I mean cmon
lost sentinel
right, I don't think it'll be that short for next tier but it's probably okay for this tier since we're so far into it... if that is even the case
visual quartz
that makes sense, played for 3 months, now you can get the piece youve wanted the whole time
more sense*
ripe nimbus
Do not waste currency on pre new raid ilvl azerite... lol
lost sentinel
seems like a question yet to be answered, could be a completely new currency in 8.15 or w/e
inner pulsar
That is from their original post
So not a bis piece every two weeks, a cache every two to 3 weeks
ripe nimbus
Yes it's 2 to 3 weeks to buy a RNG box for that azerite armor slot. It's 5 to 6 possibly 4 if u farm like a mad man to buy the azerite piece u actually want
lost sentinel
so new azerite gear from M+ dungeons that drop now are gonna have a new ring once season 2 starts... interesting
I am looking forward to having SS + SOB on the same piece of gear... if they have that 😃
stable pine
So how do you go about getting currency and should I be hoarding gears rn going into 8.1 to scrap rather than scraping right now?
lost sentinel
no point to hoarding gear, only new stuff will scrap into currency
inner pulsar
And currency will drop as an extra item in your cache, and from scrapping
*scrapping azerite gear
ripe nimbus
U won't have that 1 ring is class traits and 1 ring is basic generic traits
lost sentinel
I can link you a piece of azerite gear rn that has SS and SOB if you want
outer ring is choice between 2 spec specific traits, 2nd ring is the outer ring we have now
strange python
WHAT IS THIS
lost sentinel
so yes you can get SS + SOB
spice surge
He meant that the new ring will not arrive until the new season starts, ie when the new raid comes
strange python
there is no way blizz is going to allow u to collect currency for next tier before it begins
lost sentinel
eh, not from context
you're prob right michee, I assume it'll be a new currency for season 2
strange python
Most likely, yes
flat perch
Hey guys I've got a question. We're progressing Mythic Fetid and I'm forced to play with Wound Poison. Should I go for Bleed build or Master Poisoner/TB?
strange python
Could be same name but with a prefix like S2
inner pulsar
You should not play Wound Posion
flat perch
No Warriors :f
spice surge
It doesnt matter, it should die before healing
inner pulsar
Yeap, if it is healing, Wound Poison is not going to save you
muted jacinth
with all the nerfs to fetid you definitely dont need to use wound..
strange python
Unless his guild is turbo casual with like 370 ilvl avg
inner pulsar
Even then you wouldn't want to use Wound over Deadly
stable pine
Raid lead must main rogue 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
hollow junco
it is not correct to plan for fetid getting healed
flat perch
Gonna talk with rl then :p
stable pine
That’s like running M+ and planning for wipes lol
spice surge
even if it were, let the hunters apply the ms instead of you losing 15%+ of your damage
hollow junco
If you are trying to implement a strat that assumes consistent corpuscle failure your strat needs to be readdressed, not your rogues' choice of poison
strange python
I remember how my RL forced all melee to soak pools on Zul
lost sentinel
they obviously hate melee
hollow junco
non rogue melee 
ripe nimbus
U say that michee but valor vendors worked the same way u could use the currency for the next tiers ilvl release. There's just a cap so u can't buy it all on release and can only buy 1 item
strange python
Well 1 item could be okay
But if there is no item limit, but currency limit, lets say 3250
You could safely buy highest ilvl BiS, or roll for 2 items and potentially get 2 BiS at the start of the next tier
Which is stupid
stable pine
So has it be determined with regards how to best farm currency?
strange python
Its from weekly cache and from scrapping azerite gear
strange python
You could do each m0 but its low ilvl azerite
spice surge
i dont think farming m0 will be very relevant at all
strange python
Which will give u low amount
ripe nimbus
My thinking is the vendor wasn't actually coming until the new raid came out. Just cause it said coming with 8.1 doesn't mean it's releasing with 8.1 launch day the raid is technically coming with 8.1 but it's not active right away same with many things coming with 8.1
The war campaign for instance
Is time gated again
strange python
That would make sense yeah
lost sentinel
they said 8.1 and even said the ilvl will change once the new tier is released
strange python
Well obviously
lost sentinel
this was back when they first announced and followed up with clarification
ripe nimbus
I'm pretty sure that post just said the vendor scales with ilvl increases
strange python
Yeah but what about the currency
If they release vendor with 8.1, they should make a new one for when raid releases
inner pulsar
Why?
strange python
Because you could just farm it up before next tier
And use when raid hits live servers
inner pulsar
The item level will increase with the next season of M+
So you will be buying 385, going into the new raid, but the new M+ season won't be for a while
Its only dungeon pieces he sells
ripe nimbus
The 5th ring and the ilvl increase isn't coming till the raid release so I just assumed the vendor was coming then too guess we will find out regardless I'm not buying anything from that vendor even if it does come with 8.1 launch
strange python
What if you choose to save the currency and buy pieces when ilvl increases
inner pulsar
You can do that, it would still be lower than the current content
inner pulsar
In December, you will be able to purchase 385 gear, going into the new tier that is 4xx
ripe bear
Ohhhh got it
strange python
Yes
ripe bear
thanks
strange python
I think so yes
So what I'm saying is
People could farm currency before next tier, to buy the next tier items
Which will be higher ilvl
inner pulsar
So when the next season starts, you will be buying 4xx gear, and the new tier will be 450+
So yes, you could farm currency at the end of a season to be prepared for the next season, to buy a higher ilvl piece, for a correspondingly increased price I am sure
strange python
Thats dumb
inner pulsar
You will never be purchasing current ivl gear
Or, more specifically, raid level gear
lost sentinel
they'll either have a new currency or the next tier is gonna cost 5x more and new currency drops will be increased by x5
dark crag
The vendor will sell highest itemlvl possible azerite pieces, because the weekly drops won't contain azerite pieces anymore
supple hearth
Btw yes m+/PvP seasons all release same time as raid
dark crag
With mythic opening
dark crag
Jusy be logic for a moment
nimble tartan
Long term
dark crag
Of course the new raid/season will see the itemlvl upped
strange python
Yes thank you for pointing out the obvious
inner pulsar
I agree that it doesn't make sense, but that is not what is said there.
nimble tartan
It does say u can buy mythic level raid gear there though
strange python
355, 370, and 385
dark crag
8.1 is not the raid
nimble tartan
And itll apply to all ilevels as the expansion goes along because it's not a catchup mech it's a fix to azerite problems
It will apply to the entirety of bfa ilevels not just this tier
strange python
8.1 is 2 new raids
dark crag
No
hollow junco
well, staggered
strange python
Tides of Vengeance features two new raids, Battle of Dazar'alor, an Alliance assault on Zuldazar, and the Crucible of Storms, located beneath the Shrine of the Storm.
dark crag
8.1 is 11.12. The raid opens sometimes in january
inner pulsar
In fact, it SPECIFICALLY states "We’re still nailing down the exact numbers, but our goal for tuning this new currency is that you’ll be able to purchase one of the Azerite caches that lines up roughly with the item level of the gear you’re getting from your Mythic+ runs every two or three weeks, with the specific 385 pieces as long-term goals for top players."
strange python
It is still in 8.1 though??
hollow junco
yeah
strange python
So I am correct
inner pulsar
Notice where it says " the item level of the gear you’re getting from your Mythic+ runs every two or three weeks, with the specific 385 pieces as long-term goals for top players."
Not the item level from your cache
hollow junco
"Tides of Vengeance" seems to be the name/label applied to the 8.1 content cycle, that leaves plenty of room for an 8.1.5 that includes some client fixes + opens the crucible of storms raid
strange python
Patch 8.1.0: Tides of Vengeance
dark crag
Ok, new raid opens itemlvl from raid is now 4xx what will a top level player with 385?
hollow junco
what i'm saying is
dark crag
Makes no sense
hollow junco
if they decide to version with the same scheme they did in legion, it's still logical to consider a smaller client patch that happens later in the tides of vengeance content cycle to be a part of that content cycle
dark crag
Wasn't it battle for dazaloredingens
inner pulsar
The point is not a gearing mechanism, it is a way to target specific traits. Again, I didn't say it made sense, but you can't assume because it seems illogical that you can ignore what is stated
hollow junco
presumably 'tide of vengeance' covers everything from 8.1 until 8.2 is released
also this is kind of a dumb topic and i dont think it's worth this effort
inner pulsar
Also, it says "High End Mythic+ Players"
lost sentinel
we know raid isn't til after 8.1 🤷
strange python
8.1 major patch with new raids, 8.1.5 minor patch with new allied races
lost sentinel
they also clarified this stuff in other posts
hollow junco
yes, where the minor patch is still considered to be part of the same content cycle e.g. tides of vengeance
so it's not wrong to say "tides of vengeance includes two new raids"
strange python
That makes the new raids still be a part of 8.1
inner pulsar
Why does any of that matter?
dark crag
The currency straight replaces the rng drop from weekly cache
lost sentinel
8.1 is not the new raid, hate to break it to ya, 8.1 just starts this "tides of vengeance" chapter or whatever
inner pulsar
No it does't
strange python
IT MATTERS
hollow junco
otherwise i'd be stuck being productive at work
inner pulsar
It replaces the chance of azerite gear in the cache
lost sentinel
well, these are basic facts and fact checkable, it's an easy fix if people are willing to listen
dark crag
You won't get azerite pieces in your weekly with 8.1 just the currency
stable pine
Ok fam - fact coming through. 8.1 is release of Tide of Vengeance and to follow will a bit later 8.2(?) is the release of the raid.
stable pine
Yes
inner pulsar
You will get an item (not an Azerite piece) and the currency
strange python
8.2 is rize of azshara
the fuck u talking about
It doesn't even have a release date
lost sentinel
he got the number wrong, relax
dark crag
Ergo the new currency is how yoy obtain azerite armor from m+ with 8.1 and onwards
inner pulsar
I don't know what you want bud, it says very clearly the item levels available on the vendor that will be included in 8.1
stable pine
8.15 then
dark crag
Thats because 8.1 is not the new raid or m+ season
stable pine
You know what I mean
lost sentinel
When the next Mythic+ season starts, and item levels increase, the item levels of Thaumaturge Vashreen's wares will increase accordingly. https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769667833?page=7#post-136
dark crag
There you have it
ripe nimbus
Y'all are some funny dudes. Can we just appreciate how special we all are
lost sentinel
can't expect a bunch of rogues to trust eachother
for all you know that's a complex ruse
strange python
No
nimble tartan
This brand new change is only for this small window of time where 385 gear has relevancy 🤤
dark crag
From a logical point of view it made no sense that the itemlvl would stay on 385
nimble tartan
Kkona7
strange python
New season starts a few weeks later
lost sentinel
think about that for a second, if the season started with 8.1, why would they need to increase the ilvl, they'd just start with the new ilvl
nimble tartan
mmm
dark crag
Pvp season doesn't end with 8.1 so doesn't m+
strange python
Concluding
Vendor will come with 8.1, but the new season does not start with 8.1 immediately
sturdy python
The new m+ season won't start until the raid is released
stable pine
The new m+ season won't start until the raid is released
nimble tartan
i cant wait for next raid where im spending all my mythic + currency on 385
ripe nimbus
The M+season is technically starting with 8.1 it is how ever not starting with 8.1 launch and instead starting when the raid launchs which is still technically in 8.1
So he's not right but he's not wrong
inner pulsar
Guess I'm wrong
solid nova
@ripe nimbus ???
nimble tartan
who else is excited to get their bis in 6 weeks
i actually am cause im nowhere close to having that hella weeks into uldir
lost sentinel
if I get fetid chest, I'll have 2x 385 SS pieces, vendor may not be a big deal for me til next season as a result
I got so close to getting SS chest piece in weekly... but my DH got it 😦
lethal heart
you always have 50% chance of getting shrouded suffocation azerite from weekly
you either get it or you dont
strange python
55% if you believe
ripe nimbus
100% if u believe harder
inner pulsar
I've used up my energy for the day, but that is not how probability works
solid nova
!warn @stable pine Dont tell people to KYS.
lethal heart
thats rude
ripe nimbus
How can probability exist if our brains don't exist
solid nova
Take the memes and trolling to off topic
strange python
Context doesn't matter 😄
lethal heart
you dont have to
inner pulsar
Didn't you just see that guy get warned?!
lethal heart
dont know what traits you have
nimble tartan
i think the only thing that would be better than 3 ss would be 1 ss and 2 scents
which i also dont have at a good ilvl
so
lethal heart
not really
thats more complicated lets say
assuming you have traits from raid
you should play 2x archives/shrouded
or 1x archive/1x scent/1x shrouded i guess that works
lethal heart
thats most likely better than 345 shrouded
inner pulsar
omr only does LFR
strange python
I havent killed a single LFR boss
inner pulsar
Hes just really lucky with Titanforge
nimble tartan
i killed a few lfr to get my RA stacks
lost sentinel
my alts are lucky with TF, I've gotten like 1 TF above 380 all expansion, but I am hella lucky with gemslots which seem better
ripe nimbus
The year is 2018 azerite can't tittyforge yet that happens in 2020 when we re elect Trump
nimble tartan
im still wearing the tf I got from the first warfront 370 cache
never replaced it 😦
ripe nimbus
I miss legendaries
strange python
@inner pulsar Make sure you don't say the "no no words" no matter the context buddy and you're okay 😄
inner pulsar
Don't you bring the heat on me!
solid nova
Moderators have the authority and responsibility to make judgment calls on issues that arise.
Again, the rules are there.
Take the time to read them
strange python
I mean, you've deleted my message containing the word "k**" without even considering the context. And it wasn't even a joke.
solid nova
There's nothing remotely funny about that and again if you need clarity on context you can read several lines above
inner pulsar
keg?
ripe nimbus
Key
solid nova
@inner pulsar And you've had enough warns and mutes to know better than off topic within spec channels.
Dejavu
strange python
I've never said its funny in any way though? I just clarified that his (((word))) was used sarcastically with no intention to harm.
solid nova
Not sure what i havent already copy/pasted for you, doesnt already re-cover that issue for you.
Regardless of context is pretty self explanatory
brittle idol
yo, lets say there was a boss that started at 20%hp.. would blindside be better than Elaborating planning ?
strange python
It probably would, yes, but there is no boss like that currently
And if you're thinking about G'huun, then no
brittle idol
why not
remote oak
It saddens me how weak blindside is 😭
strange python
Because G'huun has 2 whole phases before his 20% phase?
strange python
Check mythic Ghuun mythic logs, no1 uses blindside
granite grove
simming higher with 3322121, 1322121 over ->> 2322121 ||||| this normal? lol
strange python
How much more
granite grove
Oh yeah I don't have Vigor in there
Pressed the wrong thing when I was switching back from pvp talents 😛
spice surge
@ripe nimbus Blindside isnt getting buffed
It already works like that
Its just a tooltip update 😄
fluid drift
tooltip buff 
hollow stone
Execute phase is for noobs anyway, this isnt firelands
lost sentinel
blindside should drain all your energy for increased damage and CP generation
strange python
and then
hollow stone
like a mini CD? that'd be neat
strange python
?
spice surge
Give us legion bracers instead 👌
static temple
should i run 3 SS for m+ if i have them?
grave elk
double dose is better the SS right?
civic palm
For Single Target.
civic palm
Have at it GL on loot.
lost horizon
@static temple it's a playstyle choice
If you run SS you should stack as many as you can
brave rampart
In raid I find 2 SS +1 Archive is a nice mesh
Outside 3 SS does work in M+
Especially on trash heavy weeks.
cold spoke
whats the k word
pastel wasp
how to parse well in M Zekvoz when adds die in 3 FOKs
civic palm
Stop hitting the adds.
steep obsidian
dont fok when you have 2 toargets mebbe?
subtle tundra
i parsed 94 with a really good aoe group
basically when adds spawn make sure your dots on boss are up
dot big add
and put a rupture or 2 on small adds for the energy regen
spam fok on big add
and when you move on to next add re-dot boss
also try to get your burst while having orb, maybe tell your raid leader to let you get one of the early orbs to have it with your burst and bl
and then CR you instantly
you also have to get a bit lucky and not get too many debuffs on you
pastel wasp
lol
yea k
plausible
prob wont happen tho - boss dies too quick for anyone to care about ressing
ill try varas's tip and keep 1 or 2 ruptures on small adds
fkn arms warriors and DKs
civic palm
Just bribe the priests to life-grip them.
lone junco
@spice surge legion Bracers was poison bleed only and only execute. If you dumped ep for it, would most likely be a loss.
But it sounds neat for stuff like Ghuun.
molten mesa
has anyone here killed mythic vectis as sin?
i'd like to view your logs if thats possible
strange python
Top left next to the icon
molten mesa
ah okay
strange python
Menu icon
molten mesa
thank you!
ember forum
On Vectis, can you Pre Cloak gestate coming out? so it doesnt target you
gilded fossil
why do rogues use fanthoms for Ghunn? looking at lots of rogue logs and that trinket seems to be on all
spice surge
Its a good trinket
jaunty crystal
yea it does quite well in single target
lavish spruce
hey guys, for you mythic raiders AND m+ pushers, how do you guys gem/enchant?
im currently quick/deadly enchants, with crit gems and ring enchants
not sure if there is something more optimal
pastel wasp
its in pins
lavish spruce
is there something else besides just the stat priority for single and multi
im asking how to not constantly swap between two sets of enchants etc
lavish spruce
ok ty
pastel wasp
only high keys youd prob want to min/max
molten mesa
if my vanish + vendetta are available for use at the same time
lavish spruce
yea just kinda in my nature but you are right
molten mesa
which one do i pop first
pastel wasp
i vendetta vanish
pastel wasp
but you prob should vanish vendetta maybe
molten mesa
- extra nature damage?
pastel wasp
just muscle reflex for me
molten mesa
i see
loud galleon
Is bleed build better for raiding? Or is poison build better?
white igloo
If you’re playing master assassin you should vendetta vanish if you’re playing subterfuge you should vanish, get your dots out then vendetta
echo cargo
I'm having a combination of NS + Exsang + DS sim 2nd highest for me lol
Assuming it's because a 6 cp rupture with exsang would be juicy? O_o
spice surge
Its the old way of doing exsang, before SS was a thing (ie in legion)
But alas, there is no trait that buffs rupture
tired thistle
I have just come to the conclusion the vendetta icon is just an Evil Yoshi with a hood on cannon unsee
tulip wedge
how the fuck do you fetid...even post nerf this fight is melee hell
nimble tartan
How many melee u have
tulip wedge
7....hopefully less next week
tired thistle
We ran into the same problem on mythrazx pre nerf we have 9 melee
Those orbs were shit
tulip wedge
did you run 9melee on fetid?
vernal sequoia
anyone running twist the knife/double archive?
civic palm
I am sure that someone is, what's the issue?
vernal sequoia
its topping simulationcraft but my sim shows it as a dps loss vs my current blightborne/daggeback/laser matrix
but im not sure if it sims higher simply because the later is with triple overwhelming which doesnt sim correctly from what ive heard
quick ice
It Sims correctly assuming you don't ever take damage
vernal sequoia
lul
quick ice
And simcraft isn't allowed to use 385 M+ gear, which is why they use double archive and ttk
vernal sequoia
hm
so its really not even that good
my current is only one 285 M+ and one 370 M+
385*
spice surge
Overwhelming is just so far ahead of everything else (in that tier that is) that it doesnt really matter if you take damage
Also as spooce said, default profiles in simc only uses current raid gear, IE only gear from uldir
quick ice
I believe, to be precise, that the current rule is 370 gear from M+ is allowed, but 385 from the cache is not, and I thing 370 azerite from the emissary is allowed is permitted but rarely worth using?
vernal sequoia
wierd
im just dying for a dps boost
every upgrade ive gotten over the past 2 months is like 0.001% increase
and thats with getting harlens dice with socket dooms wake 390 boots with haste a socketed 370 ring
massive looking upgrades that did nothing
also ready to reroll caster after this nightmare of a raid
dapper moat
Guys is SS build better for mythic zek vos rather than 2x DD? My dd sims higher but all the adds of zekvos..
steep obsidian
personally you shouldnt be worrying about the small adds on zek
at least imo
do what ya can but any decent dh warrior or anyoen else will destroy you on them they the ones that should be bursting em
lost sentinel
adds should die way faster than garrotte and def not worth using vanish on
well, on second thought, maybe 🤷
problem is you cannot hit all the big ones in a single vanish, they're too spread
vapid moth
Not with that attitude
lost horizon
You can garrote boss, close caster, then step to another
My raid CCs other casters though so that wouldn't really be worth for me 🤷
patent topaz
I just play outlaw on zekvoz for some killing spree and bte stuns with prey on big adds
gusty parcel
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winter moss
gusty parcel
ty sir
prisma monolithBOT
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leaden garden
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robust cloak
are you guys running CT for single target or poison bomb?
wild ledge
glad sapphire
what about kings rest this week? ct or pb?
cunning pebble
Always PB
lone hamlet
Any dung to go ct?
sturdy python
A lot of them yeah. KR doesn't usually have big pulls go make CT worth though
lone hamlet
Which one ?
onyx rock
Use your brain
shy drum
umbral hearth
What do you need?
strange python
Hi, I have a question for you all: how can increase my dps at zul? As an assassination rogue?
dense blaze
Go sub
strange python
i mean in hero
umbral hearth
As assassination its just your ST rotation for zerg strat
strange python
Not mythic 😃
umbral hearth
You dont benefit from cleaving off adds
dense blaze
Do your single target rotation on the boss and dot the Crusher
umbral hearth
If you want to pad go crimson tempest
strange python
Thank you
steep obsidian
why would you play sin on mythic zul unless its farm and dps doesnt matter
dense blaze
Cause you suck at sub
steep obsidian
a shittily played sub will do looots more damage then a well play sin unless peopel global the adds
dense blaze
And are a one trick
Lots to be said when 31k is grey and that's all boss damage lmao
steep obsidian
finishing boss at 50k with 85% being boss damage
yeh
if your gruop globals the adds i guess which is dumb
i think i finished at 44k this week and that was like a green parse lol
dense blaze
Lot of effort for no reason
buoyant coyote
should i use CT on zek?
dense blaze
Does your group suck at AoE damage
steep obsidian
id tell your other classes who can do burst aoe to stop sucking ass before going ct myself
if you want burst cleave i guess you could outlaw it up
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid nova
Mostly tooltip updates 😂
echo night
Any buffs :p?
solid nova
Theres a breakdown on wowhead of everything, can filter by class and spec