#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3194

dry wren Nov 28, 2018, 2:26 AM

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the next one should be it

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 2:26 AM

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i cant find it

dry wren Nov 28, 2018, 2:27 AM

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https://wago.io/SJDk6QkE7

Contagion + 6 Stacks of Lingering Infection (Mythic Vectis) | Wago.io

Oct 1st: Improved code to use less performance If boss casts contagion and you have 6+ stacks of putrid blood then you have to spread. Circle will turn red

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 2:33 AM

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this weakaura knows when the peoipleee who have 6 stacks

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and it lets us kno when we are safe ?

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it does both ?

dry wren Nov 28, 2018, 2:34 AM

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It's only for you

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let's you know if your stacks are going to cause an aoe, and then does a range check to make sure no one is close

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 2:40 AM

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so it only lights up when u need to move or spread correct

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it dont stay red or green the whole time does it

sturdy knoll Nov 28, 2018, 2:41 AM

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!m+

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice

If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"

scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.

sturdy knoll Nov 28, 2018, 2:41 AM

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The link to the Dungeon fight script is no longer working?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 2:48 AM

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You don't need the script anymore

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You paste the dungeonslice thing and youre good

sturdy knoll Nov 28, 2018, 2:51 AM

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wow.. nice.. lol.. thanks for info

patent jetty Nov 28, 2018, 3:07 AM

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for ghuun, can rogues only shadow step up the side to a person or can we shadowstep to monk statues?

sturdy knoll Nov 28, 2018, 3:08 AM

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I'm slightly confused.. The "fight_style=DungeonSlice" script for M+ is suppose to provide DPS for trash packs leading up to a boss? it shows that the fight length is for 360 seconds

lone junco Nov 28, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Pretty sure it is boss first, then a few waves of trash.

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you can check the timings in the sample sequence.

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:09 AM

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@patent jetty https://gyazo.com/30748bf3b49412f9b3d7cd8a2c944368

Gyazo

▶ Play video

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Otherwise no, it doesn't work

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If you don't do it exactly like this, you can't shadowstep the statue

ornate quail Nov 28, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Hey guys I'm parsing terribly in uldir and was wondering if anyone could help me out with some pointers or maybe tell me some of the stuff I'm doing wrong?

patent jetty Nov 28, 2018, 3:11 AM

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cool thanks

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Eleem

sturdy knoll Nov 28, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Thanks @lone junco

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:13 AM

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they made me go warlock

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:\

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and I done fucked up and did top damage

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so now I'm gonna be stuck

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:28 AM

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so Mythic vectis is same as heroic only difference is we needs to spread during contagion the people who have more then 6+ stacks ?

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:28 AM

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no

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:29 AM

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do we need a certain order per group to drop the vector on a specific person

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:29 AM

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sort of

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:29 AM

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You need to organize the spreading of vector otherwise things become impossible quickly.

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:29 AM

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you don't want to run people up to 6

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there's a WA that helps organize groups

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:30 AM

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wat i mean is cant people stack in there specific group to drop vector

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then just people who have 6+ stacks split when needed

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:30 AM

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yes.

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but you still have to control who swaps the vector off within the group.

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:31 AM

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ok so then each group needs a specifc order then like jon passes to bob then bob to tom

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like that

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i thought it can be passed naturallys just by stacking in your group

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:32 AM

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I wouldn't say you need an order, as things can get messy in the transitions.

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The group needs to be aware of the current stacks on everyone else in the group, and move to soak vector if they are the lowest in the group.

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The WA linked above assist with this.

jaunty crystal Nov 28, 2018, 3:33 AM

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there's a WA that picks whoever has the least stacks I think

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or you can just use your head and see who has the least stacks 😛

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:35 AM

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they say its a crutch

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n they wont use it

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which is fuckin dumb

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:35 AM

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GL

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Either way...

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https://wago.io/rybQVr_uQ

Vectis Stacks Mythic | Wago.io

This WA will put the subgroups of your raid into groups assigned to each soak one omega vector. It'll display the amount of Lingering infection stacks within

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:36 AM

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yeah that's fuckin' dumb

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just take a screenshot:

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:36 AM

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If the RL is in Group 1 YOU can still use it.

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:36 AM

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not using a trivializing WA makes you a dumb idiot and you can suck it

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signed, Real American

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:36 AM

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If nothing else you should use whatever information you can to make better informed decisions.

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:36 AM

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yeah make sure you get that in the screenshot too

lone junco Nov 28, 2018, 3:37 AM

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@austere scarab dont be an asshole.

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:37 AM

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Make no mention that you are using a fucking LISTING WA and if they ask just say you are looking at the groups.

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:37 AM

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I mean I don't think his RL is actually in here

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but on the off chance

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s-sorry

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:38 AM

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i just dont see why we cant do it like heroic n just spread with 6+ stacks

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:38 AM

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GL

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Should work.

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:40 AM

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r u being sarcastic ?

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like passing the vecto to a specific person is making it so we cant get full dps uptime on boss n adds because we gotta keep chasing people

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:41 AM

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Nah should be fine so long everyone is paying attention

honest needle Nov 28, 2018, 3:41 AM

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i gotta keep chasing a specific person just to drop off my vector

austere scarab Nov 28, 2018, 3:41 AM

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uh

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you should have 4 stack points

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2 for melee so they never have to come off boss, 2 for ranged

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ranged has a step-out point where both people go, takes less than a GCD to move

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melee just shuffles slightly together

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 3:42 AM

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If the groups are close enough the melee can move to soak without leaving melee range.

twilit elk Nov 28, 2018, 3:50 AM

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fathoms or mythic construct

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Sim it to see

twilit elk Nov 28, 2018, 3:51 AM

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bloodmallet says same dps

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raidbots says 100 dps more with construct, was wondering if there is any in use prefrence. As opposed to sims.

echo garnet Nov 28, 2018, 4:07 AM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 4:07 AM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

warm heath Nov 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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when should i be popping gale callers?

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Check in pins, explains it well

warm heath Nov 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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ok ty

tacit steppe Nov 28, 2018, 4:27 AM

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!m+

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice

If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"

scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.

tacit steppe Nov 28, 2018, 4:28 AM

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erm

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is that script thingy new?

supple hearth Nov 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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#tc-updates

tacit steppe Nov 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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should probably change the command then cause that video doesnt show that

supple hearth Nov 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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@vestal wren ^

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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mmm

tacit steppe Nov 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Might also mention that you just need to copy/paste fight_style=DungeonSlice in the beginning right after spec

cobalt gyro Nov 28, 2018, 6:41 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/pwPP2Xx.png

Imgur

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holy shit

left walrus Nov 28, 2018, 6:42 AM

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Daaamn... I still rock one 340 and one 345... Rng is not good to me...

brave gyro Nov 28, 2018, 6:43 AM

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Good luck to my EU Rogue bros with the cache soon 😃

nimble tartan Nov 28, 2018, 6:51 AM

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I had a good stint of like 4 weeks in a row with upgrades

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But this week no good

sage prairie Nov 28, 2018, 6:51 AM

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small adds on Zek'voz, is that just a fan of knives thing but dont apply your other dots or is it worth it to hit some with garrote or rupture

brave gyro Nov 28, 2018, 6:54 AM

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Everyone knows the mother dagger doesn't actually exist. If it did, surely I would see it drop / bonus roll in the past almost 3 months @cobalt gyro
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If you are playing Assa, you shouldn't care too much about those. @sage prairie

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Play to your strengths

sage prairie Nov 28, 2018, 6:55 AM

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makes sense. do I still hit fan of knives or just ignore and keep mutilating zek?

brave gyro Nov 28, 2018, 6:56 AM

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its good to get 1/3 extra ruptures (even if just 2-3 cp ones)

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to get more energy for the big add

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Remember - ruptures always deal the same damage - more CP just increase the duration

cobalt gyro Nov 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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i wanted two

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😭

brave gyro Nov 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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😂 fuck off xD

crude bay Nov 28, 2018, 7:03 AM

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https://gyazo.com/dc8acfed18c92116310119ac3786e91f

Gyazo

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No mother daggers exist no

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xd

jaunty crystal Nov 28, 2018, 7:15 AM

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I got a mother dagger with a socket tonight. Unfortunately no war/titan forge so it's just 385 😦

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still nice

dark token Nov 28, 2018, 7:20 AM

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you know what doesn't exist? zul shoulders

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8 kills with 4-6 rogues a kill, i coin it every week

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still none

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lol

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ive gotten that fucking cape 5x

lone hamlet Nov 28, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Guys, could You please give me some ghuun tips ?

brave gyro Nov 28, 2018, 7:29 AM

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cries in 370 daggers after 3 months @crude bay

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Almost as bad as WoD, when I didn't get the tier gloves from Socrethar mythic for 3 months, so i had to roll with 3 set

crude bay Nov 28, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Yeah, zul shoulders are a myth

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 7:33 AM

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We had 4 sets our 1st kill, all the alt rogues got them. Thankfully I did too.

jaunty crystal Nov 28, 2018, 7:35 AM

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One of our rogues got the zul shoulders tonight. I didn’t tho, even with a bonus roll.

vast forum Nov 28, 2018, 7:35 AM

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My guild has seen 3 vectis helms from 5 kills, 2 fetid chests from 3 kills and 0 zul shoulders from 1 kill (10 leather in grp)

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We gud on azerite

oak tangle Nov 28, 2018, 7:36 AM

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i got gold tasseled epaulets so not sure i need zul shoulders

vast forum Nov 28, 2018, 7:37 AM

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I don't need them either for any of my main azerite combinations

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But having archive on shoulder could prove useful at some point

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For example i have chest and helm with first dance but no shoulder

oak tangle Nov 28, 2018, 7:40 AM

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the best chest is cephalohide right?

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 7:40 AM

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I think DitB is overrated personally

oak tangle Nov 28, 2018, 7:43 AM

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worth taking a chest piece with double dose even if it has no overwhelming?

left wolf Nov 28, 2018, 7:50 AM

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would you guys play with master assasin and toxic blade if it would sim 100 dps higher than exsan?

rare jackal Nov 28, 2018, 7:51 AM

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TB yes, MA no, it feels awkward to use in my opinion

left wolf Nov 28, 2018, 7:52 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9aoJFt2PteFXE4gvEEBVfi

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Praii - 19,349 DPS - Raidbots

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not sure, never played with this before

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 7:56 AM

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MA is nice when you actually get both mut crits so you can env-mut-env properly

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otherwise it feels wonky

oak tangle Nov 28, 2018, 7:58 AM

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i would play tb over exsang even if it simmed lower tbh

left wolf Nov 28, 2018, 7:59 AM

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never played with tb, cause i had 2x SS since week 1

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on 385 😄

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 7:59 AM

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lucky you angery

cobalt gyro Nov 28, 2018, 8:05 AM

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i feel like i have to be missing something cause i feel like my sim is really low https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kjez3vcXarj51d791s7Qh2

Raidbots

Top Gear - Erodralia - 17,785 DPS - Raidbots

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 8:07 AM

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it won't do heaps, but you could get the 40 haste gem to replace that 30, and upgrade to the 37stat ring enchants?

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probably add 50-75DPS?

cobalt gyro Nov 28, 2018, 8:07 AM

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yea only reason i used the cheapo one was the gems were like 2.5k when i got that ring

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 8:07 AM

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fair enough

lone junco Nov 28, 2018, 8:08 AM

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the diff is like 30 dps. so meh

winter warren Nov 28, 2018, 8:08 AM

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are there any decent addons that will help me with my rotation? im mega noob :]

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 8:10 AM

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I'd start with the guides

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and get your timers all set up

winter warren Nov 28, 2018, 8:13 AM

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guide link?

quick ice Nov 28, 2018, 8:14 AM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 8:14 AM

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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

echo cargo Nov 28, 2018, 8:25 AM

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When I see people's sims and they have 7 sockets 🤢

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 8:25 AM

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Some people have more 😄

round wadi Nov 28, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Not that lucky then

patent topaz Nov 28, 2018, 8:42 AM

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ghuun progress tonite, hope the nerfs made it easy, dont want to spend 3 weeks on one boss

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 8:51 AM

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@sage ruin M+, SS. Raids, The second option.

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 8:51 AM

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You can check the stacking charts and see that SS loses value the more you have.

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You need 1 Archive trait for this raid tier, and in M+ at least 1 Scent and 1 Shrouded Suffocation.

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 8:52 AM

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@sage ruin Your post was bot filtered so just adapt your language going forward ty.

sage ruin Nov 28, 2018, 8:52 AM

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How do I adapt my language? de fuk meng?

shrewd night Nov 28, 2018, 8:52 AM

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ablobthinkzerogravity

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 8:53 AM

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I enjoy that the blob gets sick 👍

azure palm Nov 28, 2018, 9:18 AM

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are you supposed to poison knife if at 4 combo points and never envenom on 4 combo points?

civic palm Nov 28, 2018, 9:18 AM

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SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ FAQ IN PINS-->

fierce sluice Nov 28, 2018, 9:47 AM

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For running m+, is blightborne infusion worth using? As in 1scent, 1SS and 1Blight?

young socket Nov 28, 2018, 9:48 AM

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blight isn't bad

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as with most gear-related questions, it depends on what it competes with

fierce sluice Nov 28, 2018, 9:51 AM

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It competes with a 345 SS pretty much. Havent gotten much luck with azerite pieces

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Oh, and the blight piece is 385, forgot to say

scenic quail Nov 28, 2018, 10:03 AM

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does cloak work on malignant growths p3 ghuun?

upper burrow Nov 28, 2018, 10:07 AM

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Hello there ! just got a second Shrouded Suffocation today, should i keep both talents or double titans archive is a better choice ?

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 10:09 AM

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@winter warren Hekili is not perfect but enough for bout 80s logs if you use ur brain as well 😄

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@upper burrow I run with x2 SS, x1 Archive and exsang. Seems to be working good

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I currently run 1 DD 1 SS 1 Archive in Raid environment - feels pretty good

upper burrow Nov 28, 2018, 10:10 AM

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@strange python same here, but DD is 70 when my new SS is 85

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 10:11 AM

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@upper burrow simself

upper burrow Nov 28, 2018, 10:11 AM

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@strange python ok i'll try like this frist thanls, exsang really is a better choice than Toxic blade ?

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 10:13 AM

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I sim 18.5k with exsang and around 18kish with tb so I have never run with it.

winter warren Nov 28, 2018, 10:13 AM

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I have 360ilvl and I legit only did 6k damage vs heroic zul. I'm following all the guides properly. I swear I'm just LOW IQ or something

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Time to commit sodoku

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 10:13 AM

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well when u need a huge burstwindow - devourer adds- then exsang can help to squeeze. otherwise i feel TB a smother rota

lone solar Nov 28, 2018, 10:14 AM

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With 2x ss should be exsang better than toxic blade but simself

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 10:14 AM

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no reason to swap when u feel comfy with exsang and it sims better

upper burrow Nov 28, 2018, 10:15 AM

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I already simmed it, but others players feedback can also be helpful

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 10:15 AM

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i sim about 200 dps diffrence in favor for exsang but only play it on m Fetid

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I feel the same way as Dartfall, x2 SS = exsang better controlled burst

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But if you are not used to playing with exsang, you'll have to put in some time on a dummy to make it pop

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@winter warren then Try Hekili, it will allow you to get insight in the rota

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Just make sure you refresh within the pandemic window be4 exsang

winter warren Nov 28, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Yeah I'll check it out thanks hekili

upper burrow Nov 28, 2018, 10:18 AM

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I feel like the possibly gain of exsang is hard to get when toxic blade on CD is not a big loss of damage

lone solar Nov 28, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Just check some logs replays and then train on dummy

winter warren Nov 28, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Max*

stray gyro Nov 28, 2018, 10:33 AM

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Hi is it better to run 3 SS or 2 SS 1 archive for M+?

rare jackal Nov 28, 2018, 10:52 AM

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3 SS probably

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ideally one scent

stray gyro Nov 28, 2018, 11:13 AM

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ty

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 11:16 AM

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Got a 385er chest with ruinous bold and fan of blades trait. Currently using a 345 ss chest. Are the 200 agi more worth playing with a shit trait?

steep obsidian Nov 28, 2018, 11:18 AM

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you can sim it

balmy bolt Nov 28, 2018, 11:28 AM

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if i get the pin right, it doesnt matter which enchant i put on main and which on off hand, am i right?

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Right

balmy bolt Nov 28, 2018, 11:29 AM

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thanks was jsut crazy, that everyone has deadly on main and quick on off. not the other way around 😄

fair blaze Nov 28, 2018, 11:33 AM

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!m+

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice

If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"

scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/442672026289831936/517301727360319498/2018-11-28_12-29-59.mp4.

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Hell yea just got a socket 370 doom's wake

lone hamlet Nov 28, 2018, 12:12 PM

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Gz

solid lava Nov 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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guys I feel naked without SS on my sim

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vgdq7fXFQitzSuBdNHRZEw

Raidbots

Top Gear - Dozopozzo - 18,254 DPS - Raidbots

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but its sim better than anything else

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testing right now in HC, it works pretty well

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should I play without SS at all ?

opaque grotto Nov 28, 2018, 12:51 PM

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SS isn’t mandatory

old escarp Nov 28, 2018, 1:00 PM

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SS isn't necessary. Depending on gear no SS and TB is highest sim for people. Admittedly I greatly prefer the opener with SS and I'm glad my traits work out with an SS as my highest sim

torpid oar Nov 28, 2018, 1:02 PM

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Is ss better than DD, feels so trash but sims higher

solid lava Nov 28, 2018, 1:02 PM

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Y

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I feel the same,

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Its trash by the feeling, but honestly im doing good without

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@old escarp link your sim pls

latent field Nov 28, 2018, 1:19 PM

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I've seen quite a few variants of the SS+exang opener, depending on where vendetta is placed - e.g. garrote rup garrote vendetta .. , garrote rup garrote mut vendetta ... , and even garrote rup garrote mut rup vendetta. Where do you guys vendetta, is there a best place?

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 1:21 PM

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check guide in the pins

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 1:36 PM

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now thanks to weekly chest i could go 2x Double Dose and 1x Archive of the Titans but since overwhelming power sims so absurdly high i have to keep it 1x Double Dose gifBorkANGERY

fringe ocean Nov 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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Ahhh the weekly loot

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/475408827651457036/517234043591589888/unknown.png

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As always, Blizz fits it right 😄

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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brokedoggo

lone hamlet Nov 28, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Not bad

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 2:24 PM

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somone needs a flashpowder hoodwith ilvl 385? got it 4x now

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 2:31 PM

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Head over to #outlaw prob somebody there

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Its the deadshot helm yeah?

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Think so yeah lol, people won't like you much over there

median tiger Nov 28, 2018, 2:43 PM

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why

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Was a joke, he's gotten 4 385 DS helms

wary ice Nov 28, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Poison bomb feels like ass this week 😦

winter moss Nov 28, 2018, 3:08 PM

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!affixes

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heck wrong discord

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Whats the optimal way to play with Galecallers? Got a 385 from my weekly, but I always feel like not playing it right. Do I delay Exsan for it and only cast it once a minute, every other time with vendetta?

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 3:08 PM

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How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2.25

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As pinned

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Hmm, is 2.25 2 min 25 sec or 2 min 15 sec?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:10 PM

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2m 25s

wary ice Nov 28, 2018, 3:10 PM

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i always thought it was 2:15

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def trust eleem over me

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:12 PM

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You cant do it at 2m15s unless you exsang exactly on pull

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(without any dots up, ie a wasted cast)

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:12 PM

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so I assume that includes opening with vanish once garrote runs out

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Right?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:13 PM

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Yes you vanish garrote for that 2:25

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:13 PM

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Thats not what I mean, some people use vanish to have a second empowered garrote during vendetta in the opening

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:13 PM

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Some people DONT do that? 🤔

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:14 PM

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well, if I have adds coming up that need multidotting yeah I dont

vestal wren Nov 28, 2018, 3:14 PM

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i assume they do it to get an additional vanish cast over the fight, but its hard to say

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:17 PM

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I mean if you delay vendetta anyways because of exsan then vanish is ready by then anyways

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and for the 2.25. the best way of saying would be 135 seconds after first exsan, or around 145 seconds into the fight

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:18 PM

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You want vendetta and vanish to line up, which is why this delay is basicly only worth after the opener

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Nah, I've just edited it to 2:25

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:19 PM

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maybe add units?

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like 2m25s

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:19 PM

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It doesnt matter

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Lol

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:19 PM

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to me clarity matters lol

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Fair enough, to me 2:25 is fine

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:21 PM

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How come Master assassin is the default on herodamage? I have hardly seen anyone play with it, and logs aren't showing any lead either

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:22 PM

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It sims higher with the default profile

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:22 PM

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It used to sim like 0.1% better for me with specific stats, but its a really small niche

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hmm, so the twist the knife piece sims better than running shrouded + subterfuge?

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thats very unexpected to me

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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The twist the knife piece has overwhelming power, the ss one doesnt

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Default profile is just all uldir gear

sinful flint Nov 28, 2018, 3:28 PM

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I guess I'll need to stick to simming myself even for trinkets then

wary ice Nov 28, 2018, 3:34 PM

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tfw u cant delay boon because its only 12:30 😦

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2 hours from now though my burst is gunna be siiiiick

peak quarry Nov 28, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Damn, no one wants my rogue in raids :d

hollow junco Nov 28, 2018, 3:37 PM

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hygiene matters

leaden garden Nov 28, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Hey guys, if I have Galecallers and specced into TB, when do I use my first Galecallers? At pull before I put up my dots, or after dots are up?

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 3:38 PM

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How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2:25 (This means 2 minutes and 25 seconds)

leaden garden Nov 28, 2018, 3:39 PM

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OK so before, gottcha, ty

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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feelings

📎 gale.PNG

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 4:53 PM

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anyone mind having a look at my mythic logs

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and telling me wtf im doing wrong

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?

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ravencrest/nyuro

wide bolt Nov 28, 2018, 4:55 PM

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@velvet kernel Any boss in particular?

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Most of them if you dont mind

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im just not good at picking out the thing i do wrong

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things*

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and on mythic i feel likei could do much better

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 4:57 PM

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hi guys, just a quick question? i have head 385 double dose , shoulder 370 ss and chest archive , and got now 385 double dose shoulders , should i replace em?

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asking for uldir , in m+ im running ss anyway

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Replace

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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ok ty , for any boss?

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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for all but just sim yourself

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dude

vocal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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i think it depends? cause i like the SS on vectis to push third add

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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mythrax i would keep SS

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and vectis yea

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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its not really goingto make him do more dps

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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we only have 3/8 m anyway

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so imo no vectis or mythrax xD

vocal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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my group is 3/8 and we're skipping fetid and went zek because 8 melee LOL

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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we skipped aswell

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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everyone does that

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and fetid is 5th

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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@velvet kernel You're delaying exsang way too much most of the time, so they dont line up at 2:25 for vanish+vendetta

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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on all

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?

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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i raid with 2x 390 SS and don't use Exsang, am i a bad person? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bloodhoof/symmetry

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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Or you delay it even more so it does line up

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and on vectis its ok to delay exsang for galecaller, as you only get 2 exsangs per phase anyway

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:03 PM

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ok

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 5:03 PM

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But you used exsang like 3 seconds before gale was ready

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Ideally you should get one exsang in the opener, then one at 50ish, then another at 1:35 and then the one that line up with vendetta+vanish at 2:25ish

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:04 PM

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on the vectis?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Na in general

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Vectis goes into intermission after like 1:25

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:05 PM

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ok thanks

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 5:05 PM

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@stuck flax Surely exsang sims a lot higher with that setup lmao

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:05 PM

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so im wasting time on my exsang ?

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anything else?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Some bosses had a little bit low uptimes, but not too bad

wide bolt Nov 28, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Yea Mother and Fetid youre dot uptimes were low

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 5:06 PM

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You had like 88-90%, whereas you should try to have like 96-98%

wide bolt Nov 28, 2018, 5:06 PM

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But thats an easy fix Mother just redot just before your called to move

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:06 PM

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mother i go through quick

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so

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i try

wide bolt Nov 28, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Ah okay in my group we have rogues go last by default so i just assumed it was the same for you

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 5:07 PM

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@spice surge yes but lazy https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2C73JP6tJEMSm6WRBdVRoH

Raidbots

Talent Compare - Symmetry - 19,346 DPS - Raidbots

wide bolt Nov 28, 2018, 5:07 PM

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But fetid youre on big add so just tab over and maintain garrote/rupture every few globals

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At least it looks like youre on big add

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Based on dmg done

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:08 PM

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yeah

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i try but sometimes we dont have damage on big add

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so

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scared to use globals on boss

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 5:09 PM

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imagine not being allowed to stay on fetid 100% when he hits half hp. Why even live?

hollow junco Nov 28, 2018, 5:16 PM

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yeah that's my life as one of 8 melee

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 5:17 PM

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I don't get to stay on him either i was just joking around. 😦

hollow junco Nov 28, 2018, 5:17 PM

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on a few kills i've sat back and thrown poisoned knives from the other side of a wall of paroxysms

vocal rain Nov 28, 2018, 5:17 PM

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!stat

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

cunning fiber Nov 28, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Hey guys. So, if my rupture and garrote are at like 50% of their duration remaining and exsang comes off cd do I refresh them and exsang or do I wait for my dots to get in pandemic range and then refreshing and exsang?

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Still pretty new to rogue :)

dense quest Nov 28, 2018, 5:50 PM

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refresh and exang

echo garnet Nov 28, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Is exang better now?

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Depends on traits and situation

echo garnet Nov 28, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Understood.

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:17 PM

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@stuck flax damn those are some saucy parse

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i also like playing tb, hate how exsang feels 😦

short token Nov 28, 2018, 6:28 PM

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just to piggyback when you exsang, do you let the bleeds expire full before refresh?

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:28 PM

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I'm actually the exact opposite @fresh ginkgo

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I'm running TB because it sims higher atm, but I love exang gameplay

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Semi fresh 120 rogue here, how do I figure between exsang or toxic blade, never used toxic blade since I didn't want to add to my 3 button rotation yet without understanding what it does

cobalt pelican Nov 28, 2018, 6:30 PM

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exsang is ike one of the few things you actually get to manage well or poorly this patch

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:30 PM

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@cunning fiber Refresh rupture if its below 20 seconds and garrote only if in pandemic

cobalt pelican Nov 28, 2018, 6:30 PM

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playing tb is supersnooze

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:31 PM

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everyone is different i guess

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thats why theyre choices 😄

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Thats how I feel Nameless

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Exsang for m+, for raid sim it

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:31 PM

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good thing theyre not too far apart

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Yeah for sure

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I do like TB for pvp, but in raid TB feels mindless to me

short token Nov 28, 2018, 6:32 PM

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can anyone answer my earlier question? does exsanguinate work until your bleeds fall off? or is it like an instant effect

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:32 PM

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I'm probably not optimizing my gameplay in that case, but exang feels more interactive

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Twist your blades into the target's wounds, causing your Bleed effects on them to bleed out 100% faster.

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Exang speeds up the bleed rate of your CURRENT bleed effects

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:33 PM

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i dont play with it too much but it just bleeds out the current bleeds 100% faster

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:33 PM

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so when those fall off or are refreshed, its over

short token Nov 28, 2018, 6:34 PM

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@dull osprey so after every exsang i gotta let the bleeds fall off before refreshing

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:34 PM

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yes

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:34 PM

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basically

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:34 PM

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The only thing I'm still trying to figure out is when I should vanish mid fight

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:34 PM

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I'll sometimes refresh at <1s

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:34 PM

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You dont do that

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still 1 more tick

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Let them fall off

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:35 PM

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That would explain my parses then lmao

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and I vanish to double garrote + rupt right before a exang

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delayed only if vendetta is almost ready

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Yeah you do that at 2;25

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With 4th exsang

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I usually use my vanish of the fight when my vendetta and exsang are both off cd (so like after my initial subterfuge mutilate>double garrote>rupture>vendetta>exsang)

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and I exsang if it'll come off cd with vendetta

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Yeah because you line up 3 of those abilities together at 2:25

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Yeah I vanish right after my opening garrote and rupture/exang falls off

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to refresh garrote with SS

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Should I hold it till exang comes off?

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Does Shrouded Suffo stack? I only have kept one on me all the time

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:39 PM

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yeah

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the damage does, not the cp generation

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:40 PM

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yeah I figured

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@dull osprey Exsang + vanish + vendetta at 2:25

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So running 2 shrouded suffocations should be pretty good

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and 1 archive?

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Thats what I was running till I got a double dose piece and simmed higher with TB

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:41 PM

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i mean look up

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Problem is I have to use LFR gear till I run normal/hc uldir so traits are pretty pointless for me till I get the gear

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:41 PM

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and I hold Vanish till my exang and ven is off cd?

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:41 PM

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the guy is parsing super high iwth dbl SS

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:42 PM

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I know that, I'm just saying that my personal sim says that TB projects higher dps

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Exsang + vanish + vendetta at 2:25

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:42 PM

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youre using dbl dose right ?

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so that should be right

dull osprey Nov 28, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Yeah, I simmed both x2 SS and x1 SS and x1 DD and the DD build was higher. However, I think I'm gonna say fack it and stick to exang

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:45 PM

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yea i think dd will always sim higher than ss atm

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just play what you think you can do the best at i guess

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Feelycraft ytho

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:45 PM

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i dont think it would be too much of a difference

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over dd or ss

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Playing without a SS feels so gimp tho. Opener feels wack without it.

fresh ginkgo Nov 28, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Yea

lilac fern Nov 28, 2018, 6:59 PM

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!SS

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Hey guys, havent played in a while. SS bug fixed?

slim olive Nov 28, 2018, 7:01 PM

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yes

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 7:02 PM

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October 3rd it was fixed.

spice fern Nov 28, 2018, 7:04 PM

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hey guys, what should u run for uldir? Archive + 2 SS or archive + SS + DD?

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Sim

leaden garden Nov 28, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Just got a Frenetic Corpuscle , is it any good?

ornate forum Nov 28, 2018, 7:49 PM

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A 370 Frenetic was 0.1% less than a 360 galecaller on a top gear for me last week (but I'd only been 120 for a few days at that point). I'll have to try them again with better gear now.

wary anchor Nov 28, 2018, 7:49 PM

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if i have 5 cp do i toxic blade at 5 cp then evis or evis then tb

ornate forum Nov 28, 2018, 7:49 PM

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I'm assuming the sim APL ueses galecaller optimally? (like with the 2:25 stuff above for exang)

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 7:53 PM

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On zekvoz are you guys rupturing the warriors?

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Or just spamming fan till they die

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No envenon in between?

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 7:55 PM

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rupture a few (maybe 1-2) for energy regen

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Do you envenom in bwtween at 5 cp or just still spam fan?

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 7:57 PM

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envenom? you mean silithids? no, why would you

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a few ruptures up - fok spam - envenoms into zekvoz

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Ok so at 5 cp even though warriors are up, still enevenom zekvox

wary anchor Nov 28, 2018, 7:58 PM

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if i have 5 cp do i toxic blade at 5 cp then evis or evis then tb

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 7:58 PM

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do you play CT on that fight?

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 7:58 PM

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TB at 5

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Then Envenom

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@wary anchor

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 8:00 PM

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No

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Dont use CT in uldir

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 8:00 PM

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then i don't understand why you don't want to envenom the boss

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Im just asking if its better to fok spam than enevenom if warriors are up

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????

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Why would you fok at 5

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Instead of finish

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Ok got it thank you

dusky swift Nov 28, 2018, 8:02 PM

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is it important to have quick nav as a enchant on MH weapon or not ?

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Yes it is

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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doesn't matter

dusky swift Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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ionAddons

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Always enchant ur weapons if thats what ur asking

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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No, he means does it matter which hand the enchants go on

dusky swift Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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^

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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It doesn't

solid nova Nov 28, 2018, 8:03 PM

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And the answer is no

dusky swift Nov 28, 2018, 8:04 PM

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okay, thanks.
you saved me some gold

kindred ivy Nov 28, 2018, 8:05 PM

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What was CT again?

neat idol Nov 28, 2018, 8:06 PM

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Is Ravenholdt telling me to open (with one SS) by letting the first garrote fall off entirely before vanishing and garroting twice, then waiting after Vendetta is back up to vanish and garrote again before using Vendetta?

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 8:06 PM

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crimson tempest - last row talent

kindred ivy Nov 28, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Ajjj Yeah i dont like that one for aoe

ebon garden Nov 28, 2018, 8:08 PM

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will echoing blades be any good?

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 8:09 PM

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wait, let me bring my magic future ball xD

ebon garden Nov 28, 2018, 8:11 PM

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i mean, looking at the numbers and considering you stack crit in m+, would 1 trait of it see use over SS?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 8:16 PM

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Its good yes

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Wether or not its better than SS is gonna depend on how you pull

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Its the same with scent. If you're doing big pulls where things live for a long ass time, scent is going to be better than SS (which doesnt really happen <+15)

torpid cradle Nov 28, 2018, 8:21 PM

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how do i use exsanguinate in m+'

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?

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and when do i use crimson and poison?

hollow junco Nov 28, 2018, 8:31 PM

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how do i use exsanguinate in m+?

on trash, use it on priority targets as close to on cooldown as possible after applying an empowered garrote and a 4-5cp rupture. on bosses follow the guide in the pins exactly

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and when do i use crimson and poison?

use crimson tempest to consume the CP you built up tab target garroting on pulls big enough to warrant using it (3-4+), then reapply it if there's still enough targets alive when it has 2s left on its duration

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i don't know what you mean by "when do i use poison".

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http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

inner pecan Nov 28, 2018, 8:39 PM

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pretty obvious he means poison bomb

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since it's in the same question as CT

twilit quiver Nov 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Guys, does it matter if i have deadly nav on mainhand?

slim olive Nov 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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No, it doesnt matter which way your enchants are

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just dont double up on them

twilit quiver Nov 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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alrighty, thanks

pale agate Nov 28, 2018, 8:51 PM

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what do you guys use to track dots on your targets? currently I use Threatplates and just look at the icons on top of them, but it can be easy to lose track of this

ebon garden Nov 28, 2018, 8:52 PM

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i just have normal ElvUI for it

pale agate Nov 28, 2018, 8:53 PM

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I assume it does something similar by putting little icons on top of the nameplates?

ebon garden Nov 28, 2018, 8:53 PM

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yea, i usually target other mobs once the one im focusing is getting close to losing dots

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if i dont keep track of it

pale agate Nov 28, 2018, 8:57 PM

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I use a combination of cycling through targets with tab, looking at the icons above the nameplates, and just short-term memory/instinct. which is more error-prone than I'd like

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although after doing some research, I think the real solution I want is something that is now disabled by the addon API: https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/enemy-grid

WoW CurseForge

Enemy Grid

Creates a Grid with enemies near you

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it's a shame they disabled that without improving the way nameplates work. either you have them overlapping which makes it hard to target something specific without moving the camera/character around. or you have them stacking, which means they randomly change y-axis which is pretty annoying

random furnace Nov 28, 2018, 9:17 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 9:17 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

leaden garden Nov 28, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Is 360 shoulders with double dose rly better than 370 with scent? thought scent was op atm

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Not for ST

gray citrus Nov 28, 2018, 9:48 PM

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are they making garrote a talent?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 9:49 PM

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No

echo sphinx Nov 28, 2018, 9:53 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Nov 28, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

echo sphinx Nov 28, 2018, 10:00 PM

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not sure if this is the place to ask and yes i've looked around and haven't found any solid answers

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i am debating leveling my 110 rogue alt and can't find if any spec is performing over another to make it more worth while (aside from sub on zul)

lusty furnace Nov 28, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Sin or sub for add damage burst on fetid prog?

echo sphinx Nov 28, 2018, 10:04 PM

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combat looked like it had highest sim dmg on herodamage but top "many" rogues are all sin so didn't know if that was the actual idea that sin was just doing better but no one wanted to say it

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 10:10 PM

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shitton of upgrades according too sims in 1 raid

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but dropping from 19% too 14%haste feels so bad

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 10:13 PM

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sin is just solid everywhere. good in m+ as well as uldir. outlaw is really random, lower ST damage, used usually for aoe burst (big pulls in m+, zekvoz, zul if sub is not an option for some reason). sub is not that great on ST, used for zul and in high m+ keys (only for experienced groups)

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@echo sphinx

echo sphinx Nov 28, 2018, 10:14 PM

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@normal spear thank you much

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Outlaw isnt very random tbh

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Or rather, not much more random than other speccs

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 10:17 PM

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the most rng spec in the game

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Outlaw is not that random, stop spreading this info

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This isn't early Legion, the variance is much more reasonable now

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Especially with the current top traits, your damage is coming no matter your rolls

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 10:20 PM

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idk, i like sin rogue because it has no stupid procs etc, and even with bad crit luck you do stable dmg

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but all 3 specs do something good

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:21 PM

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That wasn't 100 true until 8.0. did you like it before that?

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 10:21 PM

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you mean poison bomb?

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:21 PM

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What I'm getting a is Antorus poison bomb was likely a bigger rng mechanic than Curren outlaw

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 10:21 PM

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im trying too forget that dark time, it was not fun

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well, you did good dmg without pb procs too

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:22 PM

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You do good damage without great rolls now too

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 10:22 PM

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pb just made your dmg insane OR made you do 2x more then everyone else

visual quartz Nov 28, 2018, 10:22 PM

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yay, rolling cd reduce 3-5 times in a row makes me spec back 😛

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 10:23 PM

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may be in term of damage it's not that random now, but the gameplay is just meh

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rtb for 1 specific buff or 2+

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Well that's subjective now isn't it

normal spear Nov 28, 2018, 10:23 PM

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pure slot machine

muted jacinth Nov 28, 2018, 10:23 PM

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not a fan of rolling energy regen 6 times in a row xd

visual quartz Nov 28, 2018, 10:24 PM

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combat is hella fun, not harping it there. but ya get bad rolls an entire boss fight, takes all the fun out of it

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Just thinking of it the wrong way

muted jacinth Nov 28, 2018, 10:24 PM

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makes up for it tho when I roll 2 5s in a row. that was fun

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Every reroll is bte, br, and ar CD being reduced

visual quartz Nov 28, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Had fun gambling for gold back in WotLK, no need to gamble for dmg hah

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Or more snake stacks

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That's fine, but it'd be preferred if people quit spreading this misinformation about outlaw being heavily rng based to newer rogues

visual quartz Nov 28, 2018, 10:27 PM

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combat=morefun, Sin=more consistant, Sub=more skill lol

hollow junco Nov 28, 2018, 10:29 PM

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sub = more effort*

visual quartz Nov 28, 2018, 10:29 PM

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accurate

strange python Nov 28, 2018, 10:33 PM

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Im helping a friend gear his rogue. Rotation tips/Biz azerite pcs info greatly appreciated

pulsar pilot Nov 28, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I’ve played combat(outlaw) for some time during BfA. I found it not that amazing to keep rolling for RTP or GM or 2+ buffs. Once I started using Snek eyes, it got a lot more consistent and fun, only drawback I find with it is that you are in a pretty shitty position when you have to move from target or go from pack to pack since at start your dmg is shitty. Imho sin is most consistent spec atm. Sub is ..... although I like it, I would say it’s underperforming compared to sin unless your group builds around you

tribal marlin Nov 28, 2018, 10:58 PM

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hello i'm aiming for a FH16 fortified, we are aiming to do big pulls (more than like 10 mobs every pulls) do you think I should go Scend of Blood or 2* SS ?

lilac lily Nov 28, 2018, 11:05 PM

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Guys, whats the best way to sim for mythic Vectis fight?

crisp steppe Nov 28, 2018, 11:05 PM

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@tribal marlin consider outlaw ^^

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Assa does significantly more sustained aoe than outlaw

crisp steppe Nov 28, 2018, 11:06 PM

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@tribal marlin both are gonna be good options. hard to say whats better. just give it a try yourself

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 11:06 PM

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And a +16 will have mostly sustained rather than burst

pulsar pilot Nov 28, 2018, 11:07 PM

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I doubt it will be constant 10+ tagrets, so I would say SS

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 11:09 PM

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Its not about target numbers, its about length, ss is useless after 20 seconds into the pull

crisp steppe Nov 28, 2018, 11:09 PM

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@spice surge idk how long you expect a pack of 10 mobs to last

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im not sure on how assa/outlaw stacks up on sustained AoE but I think outlaw has like 36 seconds of bladeflurry

sturdy python Nov 28, 2018, 11:10 PM

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Sin will out aoe outlaw once outlaw can't keep flurry up

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And you're getting in that range at that level

crisp steppe Nov 28, 2018, 11:11 PM

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@spice surge I think number of targets was said because of scent of blood scaling with amount of ruptures you have up

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 11:11 PM

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You cant have much more than 6-7 stacks anyway

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With current levels of crit

velvet kernel Nov 28, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Ok can someone spare some time to properly talk to me about stuff i can improve on

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i got some help earlier

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but i need to be yelled at

crisp steppe Nov 28, 2018, 11:13 PM

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@sturdy python I agree that its perhaps the case across the entire dungeon but I would suspect that a lot of pulls where you're pulling 10 mobs you do have pretty much 100% uptime on bladeflurry. but yeah depends on dps and keylvl

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 11:15 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/incarnated/clip/ObliviousGracefulHerdHassanChop
stuff like this. Sure that is with hero but its also a month old

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But as i said, unless you're doing REALLY high keys, SS is gonna far outweigh the other options

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 11:16 PM

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hmmm, you think its bad when the reorigination bonus goes from haste too crit?

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Not really if it sims better. It frequently swaps between the 2 when you get weapon enchant proccs anyway

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 11:19 PM

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yeha, but i went from 19%haste too 14% u.u

fleet whale Nov 28, 2018, 11:20 PM

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what ilvl are you? right now with RO my haste is at 30% in uldir

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and it's 19% i think without

stiff crag Nov 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

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so garrote is becoming a talent in 8.1??

fleet whale Nov 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

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no

stiff crag Nov 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

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https://ptr.wowhead.com/class-changes-tides-of-vengeance-patch-81

Wowhead

Consolidated Class Changes for Patch 8.1 - Tides of Vengeance

All changes between live servers and the most recent Tides of Vengeance PTR build for every class in the game.

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it's listed under talents there

fleet whale Nov 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

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tooltip stuff

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 11:23 PM

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382

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1st re-clear after ghuun kill, 5 items that where a ilvl and simdps upgrade, but fucks my haste hard

fleet whale Nov 28, 2018, 11:24 PM

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yeah, im only at 376 ilvl but I have a pretty heavy amount of haste

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@stiff crag The only change to garrote in 8.1 is that it requires a weapon to use

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 11:26 PM

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📎 lul_SS_.png

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are we keeping this a secret

spice surge Nov 28, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Its the same

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Test the damage, it already scales

stiff crag Nov 28, 2018, 11:26 PM

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gotcha

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 11:26 PM

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o kill my dreams

quaint flare Nov 28, 2018, 11:26 PM

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hhhehehe

fleet whale Nov 28, 2018, 11:28 PM

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It's still gonna be good, im interested to see how SS will combo with the new FoK trait

dense blaze Nov 28, 2018, 11:29 PM

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It's gonna blast

stuck flax Nov 28, 2018, 11:29 PM

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looking at 5th ring updated gear SS+Scent is very common

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going to be F U N

fleet whale Nov 28, 2018, 11:29 PM

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that has potential too

dense blaze Nov 28, 2018, 11:29 PM

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SS and scent, imagine that

royal lantern Nov 28, 2018, 11:35 PM

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i just want 1 ss for the smoth opening combo

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raids always feel weird for the first few pulls without it

primal gazelle Nov 28, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@tribal marlin if I had to choose I’d pick 2 ss 1 scent over 1 as 2 scent

old escarp Nov 28, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@solid lava Sorry for the delay, I was on mobile all day https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ijesd3qTTVHK3GaKy1hfYw

Raidbots

Quick Sim - Kintashi - 18,256 DPS - Raidbots

primal gazelle Nov 28, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Realistically you would only be able to keep ruptured on 4-5 targets, you would run out of gcds cos you’re trying to keep up full dots on everything including CT

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Most of your dmg in a 10+ pack will come from CT, not rupture

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ideal fat opener vs 10+ target would be G G G CT, vanish G G G CT, then apply ruptured after

strange python Nov 29, 2018, 12:00 AM

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You wont have energy for that

tribal marlin Nov 29, 2018, 12:02 AM

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@crisp steppe xD If I was listening myself I'll go sub but my tank ask me for assa for crippling

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you want wait too long before doing 2-3 rupture or you get energy starved

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and we did it and I ran archive 2*ss 😄 20k overall

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 12:38 AM

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any good rogues that stream raid?

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that i can watch?

viscid mesa Nov 29, 2018, 12:54 AM

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!food

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:06 AM

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anyone have the problems shadow steping up to a block oxe statue in mythic ghuun? it's telling me "can't use that here"?

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:08 AM

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stepping to statues on ghuun is super weird and buggy most of the time

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:09 AM

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You can’t step to black ice

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Oxe

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Can you ?

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:09 AM

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YES U CNA

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:09 AM

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yeah, they fixed it

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couldnt do it in mop/wod/legion, but in bfa it works

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Chill ur tits mate

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:10 AM

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shadowstep in general seems to have some issues with doing stuff that would be considered something teleport-like, you kinda need a direct line of movement for it to work similar to warrior charge

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Yeah

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And f the statue is off

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:10 AM

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usually you could just jump down a cliff and shadowstep back for example

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that doesnt work anymore

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Statue has to be in a good position

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And has to be on the left side

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:11 AM

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and im guessing the statue is a similar issue, too "teleport" like for the games taste so it bugs out more often than not

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even then its not reliable

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best to just put a rogue as the first runner, not the second

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and have druids/locks/monks be second runner

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:11 AM

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I hit it 100%

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I save sprint for it too

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:11 AM

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well, right side is definitely buggy most of the time, but not all the time

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Thought u could not do on right side

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:12 AM

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either way, rogues are usually better off as the first runner, since wl/druid/monk can still cast from upstairs after delivering orb

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:12 AM

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ok so black oxe cannot work on right side

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i just tested twice it was in good positions both times

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:12 AM

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so they can avoid a corruption stack after popping orb

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:12 AM

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i wish i was the raid leader o.O lol

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:13 AM

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Tell him

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:13 AM

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any decent raidleader should acknowledge that rogue isnt that great as a second runner

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:13 AM

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If he is good he will listen

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:14 AM

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rogue has a good selfheal, first-runners are the ones who take more damage since they have to go up earlier without any healing left. they have cloak in case the gateway is garbage and you get rooted, and they cant reliably step on the statue, at least on the right side

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:14 AM

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thank you seliathan and nyuro

marble hemlock Nov 29, 2018, 1:14 AM

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all of which should make any raidleader worth its salt consider having rogues as a first runner, not second, unless you really dont have any warlocks/monks/druids

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:14 AM

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this has all led toa discussion w'ere having

velvet kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:15 AM

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My raid leader just let us go on left side

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We have 0 druids

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It’s a feelsbadman

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:16 AM

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would a mistweaver totem make any difference/

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to a black oxe?

lethal heart Nov 29, 2018, 1:18 AM

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no

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it's just something connected to no path available/different levels

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thats why shadowstep bugs there probably

short token Nov 29, 2018, 1:20 AM

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ty

karmic ingot Nov 29, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I cannot get statues to work for shadow step but I can shadowstep to players who are up there no problem.

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I’m in group 5 for my guild and we haven’t made it far enough for me to have to do orbs yet so I’m sure it’ll be a fun time tonight when I wipe us trying to get it sorted out 😦

earnest token Nov 29, 2018, 1:49 AM

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i believe for step to work you have to leap off the ramp with springt and then step to make it. Something about needing the game to register you on the same floor as the statue for step to trigger

lone junco Nov 29, 2018, 1:55 AM

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@spice surge

6 sec. in lust.

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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yikes.

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Doubt Prey will exceed IB

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that is just a window of raw boss lust on mother phase 1.

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if the ib is like 30k, would need group/raid to burst a 300k gain to = =

tired garnet Nov 29, 2018, 2:12 AM

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is the Icy Veins opener up to date?

sturdy python Nov 29, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Dont use Icy Veins, check the guide at the top or in pins

fast bison Nov 29, 2018, 2:16 AM

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!m+

prisma monolithBOT Nov 29, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice

If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"

scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/guxh4.

rustic ether Nov 29, 2018, 2:18 AM

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hey guys any use for wound poison?

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like for mythic+, pvp, etc. i cant find a real reason to use it

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dead spec? kappa

sturdy python Nov 29, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Not really a reason atm, no

grave elk Nov 29, 2018, 2:43 AM

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does sprint no longer let u run on water?

steep obsidian Nov 29, 2018, 2:53 AM

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it used to be a glyph

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its not anymore

inland dock Nov 29, 2018, 2:54 AM

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😦 nomore

quick ice Nov 29, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Sub can, but only if you're going forwards. Can't stand still on water.

spice surge Nov 29, 2018, 3:09 AM

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@lone junco Its gonna need even more than that, if you IB during lust you get like 11 ticks of it, so thats 77 energy ontop of of that

honest iris Nov 29, 2018, 3:18 AM

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for exsan rupture do you let it run out before reapplying

rustic ether Nov 29, 2018, 3:19 AM

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yes

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but reapply it asap like 0 downtime

honest iris Nov 29, 2018, 3:20 AM

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hmm hard to line it up

inland dock Nov 29, 2018, 3:27 AM

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apply on last tick

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or as close as you can should be ok

north cobalt Nov 29, 2018, 3:45 AM

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@quick ice you can still sprint on water as sub??! i thought that was an artifact thing from legion?

quick ice Nov 29, 2018, 3:46 AM

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You have me questioning myself and I'm no longer certain. Will check next time I'm at my PC.

plain spruce Nov 29, 2018, 3:47 AM

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with blindside do you just spam it in exe range?

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its simming higher for me

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instead of mut

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 3:48 AM

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only on procs

plain spruce Nov 29, 2018, 3:53 AM

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interesting

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do you know if the simc profile does that or spams it

quick ice Nov 29, 2018, 4:00 AM

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You could check the sample sequence table for the Sim
?

sturdy python Nov 29, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Blindside is simming higher than EP for you?

ornate gazelle Nov 29, 2018, 4:04 AM

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I can't seem to find a simple hidden blades weakaura

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Use the templates in WA?

ornate gazelle Nov 29, 2018, 4:09 AM

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oh shit the easiest solution is sometimes the best!

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thanks hah

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 4:10 AM

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:3

rustic ether Nov 29, 2018, 4:28 AM

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i doubt the blindside nerf will be much of a change but i would like to leave the middle talent alone T.T

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blindside buff****

elder quarry Nov 29, 2018, 4:44 AM

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what are good stat weights in uldir? im at like 21% crit 16% haste 31% mastery 3% vers outside of raid and i think my haste is like 26% minimum in uldir

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am i supposed to get like 20% haste and the rest into crit?

pastel wasp Nov 29, 2018, 5:07 AM

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thats a lot of mastery

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you can sim it

elder quarry Nov 29, 2018, 5:19 AM

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thanks for the response, is the 26-32% haste way too much?

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Probably not.

elder quarry Nov 29, 2018, 5:23 AM

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so maybe just focus on dropping mastery for crit?

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and i do sim, but im not sure if it takes into account the bonus haste i get

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 5:25 AM

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It does.

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Also takes into account weapon procs IIRC.

elder quarry Nov 29, 2018, 5:29 AM

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i thought it was just patchwerk basically

barren vapor Nov 29, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Hey I'm new to rogue, rolled it to help another guild with progression and I'm having some questions about what I'm doing wrong on some fights. Can someone who's knowledgeable send me a PM when they have time to help me review some logs?

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thanks in advance

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(I've seen the guides and I do decent but I feel on fights like taloc and in M+ my dps is way lower than it should be)

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 5:52 AM

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If you have a log in specific that you are curious about you can put it in chat and someone might get to it.

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Odds are, if you read the guide and pretty much know what you are doing then the largest contributor to DPS is outside of your character (minus things like getting more sockets).

lone hamlet Nov 29, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Guys could someone please give me some advises on ghuun and zekvoz

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XW7RBgHcNPv9MK4k/#fight=1&type=damage-done

glad sapphire Nov 29, 2018, 6:23 AM

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Can someone explain to me why triple ss is better than 1 archive 2 ss on m+?

lost horizon Nov 29, 2018, 6:23 AM

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What aren't you understanding about it? @glad sapphire

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Using SS traits you're commiting to those opening garrotes

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Stacking more just increases their value

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 6:29 AM

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zekvoz parses are more about orb timing and add padding, I wouldnt worry about that. Ghuun is about pumping damage in p1 with multiple vanish garrotes, not running orbs. I also vanish garrote the add during beam transition idk whether that counts though. here is my log from 6 weeks ago, it is mostly cheese though so I wouldnt worry https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FXLHBCMRW4Qth1qm#fight=28&type=damage-done

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 6:36 AM

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IIRC many people are not going triple SS to begin with, as other traits (Archive/Scent/etc.) hold potentially higher values.

lone hamlet Nov 29, 2018, 6:38 AM

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@patent topaz anyways, I’m so bad at ghuun don’t know why :/

glad sapphire Nov 29, 2018, 6:40 AM

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ok thanks im new to rogue and saw couple of streamers go for it just wanted to ask

lost horizon Nov 29, 2018, 6:42 AM

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Yeah archive and scent are great if shit lasts long enough/you pull big enough

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But if you're playing SS then more of them is better

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Yeah general rule, the more SS the better.

vapid moth Nov 29, 2018, 6:45 AM

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I havent had an SS for the past month cause I had a 340 and nothing above that would drop. Got a 385 Tuesday and went into a dungeon. Could feel the difference immediately

lost horizon Nov 29, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Tough to get a headpiece w/SS at high level

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Yeah cowl of fluid machinations is like the only one isn't it?

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 6:46 AM

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raid chest

lost horizon Nov 29, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Headpiece I mean though

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 6:48 AM

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mm yeah tougher

lost horizon Nov 29, 2018, 6:48 AM

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There's easy 370 shoulders from emissary

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At least on ally side, I imagine same deal for horde

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 6:48 AM

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📎 unknown.png

lost horizon Nov 29, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Isn't that 355?

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I guess beats only having 340 from M0

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Above that though you're praying from M+ cache

civic palm Nov 29, 2018, 7:00 AM

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and emissary caches.

strong sundial Nov 29, 2018, 8:00 AM

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hey guys, what nameplate addon you are using? 😃

willow pulsar Nov 29, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Elvui

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:07 AM

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if someone has some spare time please check these terrible logs and tell me what im doing wrong plz
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rD7Qg1CctwdhzqHy/
im Blixem in the logs

normal bough Nov 29, 2018, 8:12 AM

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what's generally the best tier 100 talent for m+?

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poison bomb?

hollow jungle Nov 29, 2018, 8:13 AM

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Can you macro shadowstep to a monk statue for g’huun?

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:13 AM

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hmmm good question can you target it?

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i know mouse over works

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did it yesterday in m+ to avoid sanguine

hollow jungle Nov 29, 2018, 8:14 AM

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I have macros to ss to other players, wasn’t sure how to do statue

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:15 AM

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i think i would try set focus to statue if possible, then just use focus macro unless you using it for trick?

grim valley Nov 29, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Samstel, sorry I don't have much time, but what I can see is, you're wasting uldir array into crit because you don't have enough haste

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And I saw Mythrax, you're wasting lot of combo point (i.e mut at 4+)

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You can see it from Summary, select your nickname then ressources, and chose combo point

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:27 AM

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so if array is giving crit i should rather swop it for double dose or rupture one?

grim valley Nov 29, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Well, if the difference is not much between your crit and haste, shouldn't be a problem mb since your trinket, azerit trait and weapon can proc haste

signal summit Nov 29, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Are there any Sims on te nothing personal trait ?

grim valley Nov 29, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Array should give you haste

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:28 AM

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yeah i have about 100 haste less then crit unbuffed

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actually more like 150

grim valley Nov 29, 2018, 8:28 AM

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Try to aim for a gear with haste to proc array haste

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:29 AM

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ok cool thankx for atleast looking at it for me 😃

grim valley Nov 29, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Your trait are fine, don't use rupture

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:30 AM

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ok cool will see what i can do about that haste

grim valley Nov 29, 2018, 8:31 AM

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I can't see from there, but what you should be looking for in your log is

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Uptime garrote, rupture, envenom and ep buffs

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Wasted combo points and energy overcapped

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And little things like not using a full 5combo rupture on an add who will die asap

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The trick is, when a add is up, just rupt/garrote it, make sure to apply deadly poison and just focus boss :) you will regen enough to spam gcd

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Ofc if your raid strategy need the add to die faster help them, but shouldn't be your role

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Lëylaa - Archimonde

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:36 AM

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ah ok cool thankx man appreciated

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i normally tank so rusty on dps, was just curious to see if im making any major mistakes

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 8:39 AM

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You need to work on that opener as well mate.

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It's different every time

west cove Nov 29, 2018, 8:40 AM

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its garrote>mutil>rupture right?

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even if its just a 3 point rupture?

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or do i mutilate again before rupture?

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 8:40 AM

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All the openers are in the guide, relative to your traits/talents

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I checked 4 fights and all 4 had different openers

green saffron Nov 29, 2018, 8:41 AM

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How it is easy to get SS trait Shoulder from Emissary?
I just got another chest piece from Emisarry, and that was 3x 370 Chest and bunch of 340 (before changed). only loot one 340 shoulder since BfA.
And Emissary cycle for Zandalaris emissary is 2 weeks?

rocky blade Nov 29, 2018, 8:45 AM

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ive gotten 3 ss shoulders from emissary but no chests

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bad rng m8

quick ice Nov 29, 2018, 8:46 AM

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at least there's an SS chest from raid?

green saffron Nov 29, 2018, 8:46 AM

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ye, >.< I know, but you can have another chest SS from normal or heroic Uldir. but not shoulder or helm.

rocky blade Nov 29, 2018, 8:48 AM

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yea I get lucky with ss shoulders I guess. 370 zandalari and 370 shoulders from weekly chest

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I don't raid though so I'm using the pvp chest with ss

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feels bad

short arch Nov 29, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Got insanely lucky yesterday: 385 waycrest manor shoulder piece from weekly chest, 385 dagger with socket from mother and 390 cloak with socket from vectis

lone hamlet Nov 29, 2018, 10:44 AM

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...

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Me can not get dagger from mother for 6 weeks, using coin every week

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Thanks blizzard

verbal mantle Nov 29, 2018, 10:48 AM

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instant classic

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stay strong brudda

steep obsidian Nov 29, 2018, 11:00 AM

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i had same prob aemond then i got 3 in 3 weeks and a zul dagger too

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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keep at it

quasi ledge Nov 29, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Got the dagger first week from Mother, been 8-9 kills since then all with bonus rolls and still no 2nd. Every Rogue alt we have just for Zul has 2 Mythic daggers at this point as well. Kinda demoralizing :p

strange python Nov 29, 2018, 11:33 AM

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370 belong to us

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Can anyone elaborate on this? Html report on sims has me pooling to 125+ energy before envenom outside toxic blade/vendetta. Is this correct?

envenom,if=combo_points>=4+talent.deeper_stratagem.enabled&(debuff.vendetta.up|debuff.toxic_blade.up|energy.deficit<=25+variable.energy_regen_combined|!variable.single_target)&(!talent.exsanguinate.enabled|cooldown.exsanguinate.remains>2)
Envenom at 4+ (5+ with DS) CP. Immediately on 2+ targets, with Vendetta, or with TB; otherwise wait for some energy. Also wait if Exsg combo is coming up.

main mirage Nov 29, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Anyone has time/ feels up to destroying my confidence and finally helping me improve in my performance this xpac, by looking over some resent logs?

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If so: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gvdJCQp916ntTDVX/ I am Estable

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:03 PM

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you should probably replace that 355 galecallers by now and play toxic blade

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do you really not have any better trinkets?

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@main mirage

main mirage Nov 29, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Galecallers sim better than my 385 trinekts

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:06 PM

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what 385 trinkets do you have

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also your uptimes are really low

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like

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REALLY low

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maintain your dots better

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these are my uptimes from our fetid kill this week

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📎 Screenshot_from_2018-11-29_07-06-29.png

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these are yours

main mirage Nov 29, 2018, 12:07 PM

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Ye, i know about the uptimes, tbf it was the first time i killed fetid, but even on the other bosses you are right

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:07 PM

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📎 Screenshot_from_2018-11-29_07-07-09.png

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cant do dmg if dots dont tick ;)

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i believe low uptimes on some bosses with downtime like taloc or vectis

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but on fetid it should be 100% especially if you are on mutated mass duty

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@main mirage what trinks do you have

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can you link me your raidbots

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like a top gear sim

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:10 PM

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this is how you do fetid uptime boys

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oh i ogt fucked

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nvm

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:11 PM

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Finally got a good parse on fetid after weeks of being on furthest add duty 💦

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:11 PM

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LOL

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:11 PM

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jesus

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:11 PM

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yeah i was playing sub on small add for every week

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finally with fetid nerfs raid went yolo and i could play sin on mass

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felt so easy lol

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

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haha exactly the same for me, finally got my rl to give me sin big add yesterday

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so i could get a good parse

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

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I played assa exsang for small adds, we are extending ghuun now so maybe no more mythic kills

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

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98 perf avg now, feeling finished with uldir

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

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when all ur good logs are private and guild wont turn them public

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feelsbadman

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

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Now just for mythrax for all orange 🔫

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

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we made all of our logs public after progress

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except for ghuun

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:13 PM

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yeah we dont for our prog logs we just go public after

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so people dont pad for prog

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i guess

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 12:13 PM

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I got 91 on first mythrax kill I think, good enough

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:13 PM

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ppl burn all their cd's in p3 transition is we public log

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if*

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:13 PM

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I still didnt get ghuun since i missed kill night

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:13 PM

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im finally getting benched on ghuun to try out new trials

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 12:13 PM

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we got to 6th dunk on our first progress night, feels doable

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:13 PM

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feels so good to not have to kill that fkn maggot

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:14 PM

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But all our 5%> wipes i was on 100% parse

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Will probably get fucked on kill knowing my luck

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:14 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/rongee

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i'm happy with those

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:15 PM

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public:

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edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:15 PM

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zek is such a stupid fkn boss

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to get a good parse at

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:15 PM

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oops

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wrong one

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lol

quick ice Nov 29, 2018, 12:16 PM

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Same screen lol

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:16 PM

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private:

📎 Screenshot_from_2018-11-29_07-15-42.png

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:16 PM

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Im on mobile no linkerino

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:16 PM

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the one zekvoz public log i have is me lag dc

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yay

quick ice Nov 29, 2018, 12:16 PM

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I like how the Zul is the same dps with different hist%

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:16 PM

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ye

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cause i stopped reforging gear after prog

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LUL

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but it was good for september

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its rng and not counted for allstar points anyway

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dumb fight

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:18 PM

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I love getting my fear late dispelled on zul

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:18 PM

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get any mechancis at all = 0 parse, get bad crits = 0 parse

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etc

dark crag Nov 29, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Or not at all

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:18 PM

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tanks fuck up = 0 parse

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Its irrelevant boss ye

zealous bane Nov 29, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Hey is it every boss in uldir, except zul, sin>rogue?

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Sin>sub

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:19 PM

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Not really

dark crag Nov 29, 2018, 12:19 PM

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Zek is more outlaw

quick ice Nov 29, 2018, 12:19 PM

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arguably zek is an outlaw fight

zealous bane Nov 29, 2018, 12:19 PM

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I’m kinda new to the class

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:19 PM

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Sin is only far superior on vectis imo

zealous bane Nov 29, 2018, 12:19 PM

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Just want to start with 2 specs

edgy latch Nov 29, 2018, 12:20 PM

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i'd rather reroll than play outlaw

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fuck that spec

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Rest is whatever

zealous bane Nov 29, 2018, 12:20 PM

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And in mythic plus? Which dungeons are better for sin?

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Man im having so mmuch fun as outlaw and i hated the living shit out of it before

dark crag Nov 29, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Kings rest is a sin dungeon

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:21 PM

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atal is a outlaw dungeon

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imo

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or sub

dark crag Nov 29, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Shrine is a good sub dungeon

zealous bane Nov 29, 2018, 12:22 PM

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That’s cuz the packs with priority add

wide mountain Nov 29, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Atal is terrible for sub

zealous bane Nov 29, 2018, 12:22 PM

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I’ve seen a lot of rogues going sub for AD

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Itscuz u can play around sub for insane dmg overall

zealous bane Nov 29, 2018, 12:23 PM

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What is that like? Pulling always 3 mobs or >4

sturdy python Nov 29, 2018, 12:23 PM

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People play sub for ad now because of mdi

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6+

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:23 PM

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5 tleast

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6 is perfect

sturdy python Nov 29, 2018, 12:24 PM

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If your group doesn't pull like mdi sub isn't gonna help you much thougj

lone hamlet Nov 29, 2018, 12:24 PM

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@dark token could you please give some tips on zek and ghuun ?

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:24 PM

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i havent done ghuun

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LUL

wide mountain Nov 29, 2018, 12:24 PM

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MDI is different than everyday m+ run. They have very specific tactics revolving around certain players that your average group would not even think about doing

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:24 PM

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zekvoz, dont use vanish on pull

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use it to vanish/SS theadds

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yell IM GETTING THIS FUCKING ORB to guild on last orb with cds

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use crimson tempest if your guild has no aoe padders, or poison bomb and pray for parse

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tempest is consistent tho

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ghuun status: get benched cause melee, no rekill next week, afk 2 weeks cause school, sell 2 weeks and dont want to bring new people cause its sketch

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will i get kill before 8.1? who knows

lone hamlet Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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Ss which adds ? Seletides?

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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dont need the gear at least

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any adds

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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im in 1st runner group on prog, so I run twice

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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every adds

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any time you use vanish you better try and get 2+ targets

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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hopefully we can kill before christmas

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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on like every boss

lone hamlet Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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Thanks

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:27 PM

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taloc, vectis, zekvoz, fetid, mythrax everywhere lol

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this is multi target raid

sullen pagoda Nov 29, 2018, 12:28 PM

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Imin 5th running once life

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 12:30 PM

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at least I know 2 runs wont fail

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 12:34 PM

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i make sure to fresh rupture add right before platform drops

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then vanish garrote add shadowstep taloc garrote garrote

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eh it lives a little, like 1/3rd hp left for us usally

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you dont lose much boss dmg by delaying rupture for 2 gcds

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ive actually started using "player dmg to bosses" as a statistic when looking at parses because of how much add padding this raid has lol

fringe ocean Nov 29, 2018, 12:37 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 29, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

royal lantern Nov 29, 2018, 12:40 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eTnHUCd9ezhLkmWNb7zEdj

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Tryan - 18,178 DPS - Raidbots

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those statweights are weird

patent topaz Nov 29, 2018, 12:43 PM

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panda 🤢

winter moss Nov 29, 2018, 12:50 PM

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sub rogue 🤢

opaque grotto Nov 29, 2018, 12:53 PM

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What’s weird about those stat weights

royal lantern Nov 29, 2018, 12:55 PM

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2.03

patent spire Nov 29, 2018, 1:53 PM

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should i be taking shrouded sufforcation if possible or rather go with archive ? 😮

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saw some dope rogue with 3 of em

lone hamlet Nov 29, 2018, 1:55 PM

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@dark token so you are talking about last add before platform finishes it’s moving ?

fluid owl Nov 29, 2018, 2:28 PM

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Anyone around to give me some feedback on my logs please? I'm struggling to get above blue and it's driving me nuts. HC only. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xb9Qt7d3KLmyZFGY/

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:32 PM

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you should keybind your vanish

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:32 PM

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@fluid owl whats your opener bruh

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read the guide 😉

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:32 PM

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its a big cd

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:33 PM

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you also dont use vanish ever yeah

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    Garrote
    Rupture
    Garrote
    Vendetta
    Mutilate
    Rupture
    Exsanguinate when talented
    Mutilate till 4+ combo points
    Envenom
    Mutilate till 4+ combo points
    Envenom
    Vanish when Garrote runs out
    Garrote twice

old escarp Nov 29, 2018, 2:34 PM

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@flyover#3514 for M+ 3x SS if possible. For ST sim yourself. But you will always want a reorigination array piece

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 2:34 PM

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You're also randomly using your racial too

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Sometimes its there

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Sometimes its 3-4 GCDs after vendetta

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Other times its unused

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:35 PM

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also uptimes can be better

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95% uptime on fetid

fair blaze Nov 29, 2018, 2:35 PM

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@dark token his opener is pretty good, cause for example on fetid he didnt use SS, but yeah use vanish to empower garrote

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:35 PM

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ic didnt check that

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first rogue ive seen without

opaque grotto Nov 29, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Why would you link the SS opener if you didn’t check whether or not he’s using SS 🤔

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:36 PM

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cause everyone on the planet but this guy uses ss 🤔

wide delta Nov 29, 2018, 2:36 PM

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^this

opaque grotto Nov 29, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Plenty of rogues use MA/no SS

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Do you live under a rock?

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:36 PM

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i look at logs way too much and never saw it

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unless they are sub

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:37 PM

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or low ilvl

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:37 PM

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^

fair blaze Nov 29, 2018, 2:37 PM

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Plenty of rogues do blessrng to good mut crits with MA :p

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:37 PM

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either way his opener is super inconsistent

opaque grotto Nov 29, 2018, 2:37 PM

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My best simming set is archive/DD x2

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 2:37 PM

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You seem to do this a fair bit too.

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opaque grotto Nov 29, 2018, 2:37 PM

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I run MA

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:38 PM

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I find the crazy part is he is beating his other raidmates

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:38 PM

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well if you are lucky enough to DDx2 i guess good for you m8

fair blaze Nov 29, 2018, 2:38 PM

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@solid nova Probably ranged dps pulled the boss and he ran to him instead of shadowstep :p

opaque grotto Nov 29, 2018, 2:38 PM

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Point is - don’t make assumptions because you can misinform people

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 2:39 PM

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You're not using your 2nd pots properly either

fair blaze Nov 29, 2018, 2:39 PM

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@fluid owl better uptimes, use vendetta to empower garrotes if you use Subterfuge, also pair vendetta with vanish and racial

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Just seem to be popping it randomly

fair blaze Nov 29, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Subterfuge not vendetta*

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Vanish wtf im drunk

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 2:40 PM

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@fair blaze Nah Prot pally pulled first, then 2 seconds of nothing

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:41 PM

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always tricks tank so u pull 1st

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pull on 6 sec so no one can get 1st hit or steal your prepot

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pro tip from frozen

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:41 PM

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he sits afk or the back of the raid a lot on pull

fair blaze Nov 29, 2018, 2:41 PM

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So dont know why he didnt cast anything :d

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Same with Fetid

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4 seconds of nothing

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:41 PM

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yeah

solid nova Nov 29, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Just use tricks 🤷🏼

opaque grotto Nov 29, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Maybe he doesn’t have a boss mod and can’t see pull timers lol

dense quest Nov 29, 2018, 2:42 PM

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maybe passlife warlock main

dark token Nov 29, 2018, 2:42 PM

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i always start at boss and sprint or ss to its tank pul llocation