So the new calculation to things like SS and Garrote etc, is it a nerf or a buff or not really a change at all?
#assassination
smoky tulip
winter moss
there are almost no changes to the class in 8.1
some tooltip updates and minor changes/nerf to sub rogue
definitly dead
topaz notch
If i use master poisoner instead of elaborate planning, since the simmed dps is very similar, it differs 0.1%, should that not make it alot safer from situational bad timings?
"idiot proof" as to say
vast forum
How the hell do they even sim close for you?
vestal wren
EP is as "idiot proove" as mp
smoky tulip
Question, can monks hold burst on mythic fetid for adds? I just asked a monk in our raid, hes way ahead on his dps on fetid, kinda low on adds. Something about karma, can it be helped?
empty quartz
i mean you can't reliably use karma to dps adds, but he can save his other CD's
smoky tulip
I'm talking like 2.3M on fetid and 382k on corpuscle
on our last wipe
I guess it's not as bad as I think. I'm 1.92M on fetid and 600k on corpuscle
patent topaz
think I do around 270k per small add on average
high siren
that's some rookie numbers
empty quartz
they die in like 8 seconds, such a meme everyone using cd's on them 
patent topaz
there are 5 people on it and it dies before the cast
round wadi
Do we have any Sim for the new poisoned wire?
young socket
Now you need a weapon to cast it
lone hamlet
O_O
strange python
is there a site or a doc where some1 found the "ideal" gears for rogue?
winter moss
icy veins has a "bis list" iirc
but due to war and titanforging
you gott sim yourself
strange python
and that list is accurate? i mean icy veins guides is not the best
winter moss
i have not controlled it myself but probably everything with crit haste that drops in the raid
ill check in on it
strange python
Becouse I have a 381 assa Rogue and I do way less dps than is should
young socket
You gotta do a few things to dps well
Sim yourself, practice rotation, and learn fights inside+out
in a nutshell
winter moss
there are various reasons why you feel like underperformin
topaz notch
is the update on garrote seriously that you need a wep to cast? xD and also to the guy who asked me how MP can sim 0.1 difference as EP, i dont know? i even tried on dummy, barely noticeable
can u link something @strange python ? im no professional, but its hard to know what u define as underpreformance
if we dont have anything to look at
sick monolith
time to move to outlaw
strange python
i dont have weapons :c
midnight ledge
63.70% uptime on EP
sick monolith
@strange python dont pay attention to me i was just talking about the changes to sin. Nothing to do with your logs.
high siren
@strange python you died in your log
high siren
you died at the end, but still
btw, I think zek voz isnt really the fight where you'd want to analyze what's wrong with your dps
you could be good and do an average log, because you got multiple times the cloud debuff, or because you needed to take an early orb during a dance phase, and you don't get CR
strange python
then on what fight should i check myself?
high siren
if you question your rotation, maybe taloc
high siren
otherwise, that's more about your ability to maximize your dps on a specific fight
strange python
I've got 69 history% log but i dont think its my characters best
high siren
you didn't use any pot on this fight
and you got targetted by the blood debuff once, on which you didn't use your cos
I think that are your most "dps impacted" mistakes
strange python
i think i used feint for those
agile tulip
hey, when playing CT on 6+ targets how do I start with the dots? Garrote x3 then CT or put up a few ruptures first?
light rampart
CoS just removes the debuff, meaning you dont have to run away from the boss
I seek help my fellow rogues. I finally got galecaller to drop for me and now I finlly had to remove fhatoms apperently. which is fine. but now I'm wondering on when to use it with EX. do I hold my second Ex until the trinket is ready?
round wadi
Nope
high siren
no
strange python
I have a 360 galecaller should i change my 375 gladiator's badge?
high siren
you should use exsang on cooldown
round wadi
@strange python u should play exsg build for gcb to work at its best
high siren
and you should hold all your others cooldowns (trinkets, vendetta, vanish) for the 4th exsang
at around 2:20
round wadi
U should try to Sim it cause u even have a ss trait
light rampart
so ex on cd
will I use gc the moment it comes of cd instnaly agian? or line it up with 3rd ex
solid nova
It's in the pins
solid nova
No sweat
light rampart
1 more tho, when do I vanish the first time, after my bleeds fall of I kind of assume?
round wadi
Y
light rampart
cheers ๐
topaz notch
@strange python your opener is super weird aswell, u had 1 ss trait right?
strange python
yep
topaz notch
garrote -> rupture -> garrote is the standard to go ffrom stealth i think, since the garrote will give u 3 CP each
i see u dont use that rotation after any vanish either
i think on your opener alone you will se a big difference from that
topaz notch
garrote - rupture - garrote, vendetta and toxic blades
and do the same "opener" after every vanish aswell, atleast the garrote - rupture - garrote part
topaz notch
Dont thank me, its from the ravenholdt assassin guide :p
Man i wish we could use the inflatable thunderfury in both hands from this anniversary shop
would look so cool
hollow ivy
How do you feel about assa changes in 8.1?
topaz notch
what changes? did i miss something?
strange python
pvp assa got nerfed :C
hollow ivy
Some traits, talents.
vast forum
We have to wear weapons to garrote now, ded spec 
topaz notch
and they buff blindside talent, so im done
xD
but traits, i havent seen what traits they will change tbh
so i dont know if it fucks us
strange python
well the "garote nerf" is relevant only for pvp
hollow ivy
I am bot sure that i read that correctly but they change SS trait. Is it stack with our ap and versa? That means it will be better?
strange python
"Shrouded Suffocation Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals 234[234 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)] additional damage. "
and you have to wear a eapon if you wanna use garotte
Garrote the enemy, causing (108% of Attack power) Bleed damage over 18 sec.
Assassination (Level 42)
Silences the target for 3 sec when used from Stealth
Awards 1 combo point.
this will be the new garotte
yoppa said that we need use weapon for garotte but i did not read it anywhere
topaz notch
well u linked a text where it confirmed what yoppa said?
i dont know what is the current formula for SS, but i hope its not a nerf atleast xD
quick ice
still will
topaz notch
well read what, point out misstakes?
strange python
"Shrouded Suffocation Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals 234[234 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)] additional damage. " as i see it scales with versatility
blazing forge
I need second opinion if i fck up specific things
blazing forge
Sec
solid nova
Link the logs then we'll be able to see
quick ice
pretty sure its a tooltip change and it already scales with vers?
strange python
spooce according to wowhead its not scales atm with versatility
blazing forge
If needed
strong sundial
How to calculate the new formula? xD
hollow ivy
We need some smart guys to calculate that
blazing forge
@solid nova pm me if u dont want to flood here
strange python
Shrouded Suffocation Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals 234[234 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)] additional damage.
just insert your versatility
and use a calculator .D
hollow ivy
So versa might be bis stat for m+?
strange python
if you have SS yes
hollow ivy
I got 3 sooo i guess time to farm come versa gear
strange python
:D
elfin plaza
@blazing forge Opener is pretty consistently off from a couple that I saw. Double Garrote to start is not a thing unless you are against multiple targets
blazing forge
Not even to extend duration of buffed garrote?
solid nova
@blazing forge
Improvements
-Opener is wrong
-Not making efficient use of TB windows
-You're FoKing to 5 CPs (why?) Finish on 4+
-Incorrect GCB use
I mean, I stopped looking there. Please reference the guides and resources we have available
Theres a lot of basics you're not covering
midnight ledge
Global cooldown
elfin plaza
Do I save CDs at all on M Zek? or just normal and hope it lines up with adds that need to die right away
solid nova
No, your trinket GCB.
strong sundial
@strange python I did but the result canโt be right xD
blazing forge
Oh
strange python
:D
solid nova
Gatecallers
blazing forge
I will loom at the guides
strange python
@strong sundial how much did you get?
solid nova
I mean, when the fundamental basics arent there, its hard to pick specifics mate
blazing forge
I see
strong sundial
@strange python around 400
blazing forge
Ok i will at the guides im guessing that will@help@with findamentals
haughty forge
From the method guide video they say that best single target opener is :
Garotte rupture garrote mutilate rupture vendetta ex
Car you confirm ? (With ss trait ofc)
midnight ledge
If u got SS u can take garrote garrote rupture then garrote again
If u can pull it during subterfuge
strong sundial
@strange python
Ilvl 370: Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals [406 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)] additional damage.
strange python
oO so actually they buff SS with a plus versa scaling?
shell wind
@solid nova is there any specific points where GCB should be used? or just on cd?
solid nova
It's only 1min CD, so you stack it with what you can, Vendetta, TB, Vanish. Not really much to it ๐
But it was referenced in the previous logs as it was used, then moved out of, or phase occurred, wasting it
thorny shore
We use the third exs with second vendetta right?
solid nova
Yes, with vanish + GCB if you have
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2.25
Should cover what you need as well
quasi pewter
Its the 4th exsang but yea, what @solid nova said
mossy adder
When simming, my higest gear combo is coming out to be 1x archive, 1x meticulous scheming and 1x rezans fury. Should i really drop my 1x shrouded for this?
Yeah that makes sense, never thought about it that wayu
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, im simming for M Ghuun so it makes sense to go shrouded there too with that logic
Yeah i was playing hidden blades meme build for p1 prog but now in p3 im going full st with triple gutripper etc etc, still unsure on TB vs Exang though
They sim within 100 dps to eachother with my gear so i dont suppose it matters too much
topaz notch
i heard gutripper isnt as good as you can sim it
no idea if its true tho
but sim counts every attack as from behind
and that makes me realize
i mean dagger in the back
so ofc it doesnt matter
xD
mossy adder
YEah im just using it for p3 cos we are well ahead on damage in p1 and p2 anyway so its pointless to play something else
mossy adder
๐
topaz notch
but method stacked gutripper right?
topaz notch
Xerwo was lucky then, 3x gutripper xd
topaz notch
can u snipe orc racial with i.e dooms wake?
solid nova
Snipe?
tropic shadow
Iโm going to assume they mean macro together
haughty forge
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
delicate spindle
lone hamlet
Holding exang and galecaller too much
I should use on cd? And stack the third use ?
To combine it with vanish/ven
solid nova
How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2.25
strange python
No
spice surge
3rd galecaller, 4th exsang
solid nova
No, its literally written above lol
strange python
4th exsang 3rd galecaller
solid nova
You delay 3rd Galecallers for 4th exang.
lone hamlet
So fourth exang comes right with vendetta and vanish, and I should delay galecaller for it
The more mastery you have the more toxic blade sims ?
lone hamlet
So what makes each talent better ?
lone hamlet
Which stats affect which talent more ?
lone hamlet
Ah ok
strange python
finally starting to get the hang of doing aoe damage, now I can feel useful on more than just bosses
lone hamlet
Guys do you recast rupture / garrote before using exang?
lone hamlet
In pandemic ? If I have 10 seconds of garrote, for example, than I should not recast ?
solid nova
As pinned:
-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 18x0.3=5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff. Primarily used to give leeway to reapply bleeds, however can also be used to make bleeds last longer
So in that scenario as you mentioned, no.
wary ice
Is 1 SS/heed worth losing 15 ilvls for over Twist the knife/OP for M+? I coudlnt find anything regarding ilvl over traits in the pinned guide. My other are 2x Double Dose / Gutripper, using TB. As a side note: Is there a more accurate method of simming for m+ than hectic add cleave?
solid nova
!m+
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solid nova
^
solid nova
And for M+ you'd probably be better off running SS + Exsang.
wary ice
Even in tyrannical?
solid nova
Depends on what kind of keys you're doing, but i'd certainly say so. Especially if its going to be your only SS trait.
They X amount of seconds you save per boss vs Minutes saved on trash ๐คท๐ผ
- Comp variances etc.
solid nova
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obtuse ruin
how did we come to vers being needed for garrote from these changes../
slim olive
its not, pretty sure its a tooltip change
obtuse ruin
yeah
strange python
While exsang does sim better for, i just recently switched over to tb. I feel like i couldnt get the most out of exsang in many instances in m+. Sometimes i had to holt exsang too long (shrine endboss in the underworld) or just simply failed to set up it properly. With tb i feel like i have way more breathing room
Does anyone feel the same or am i just too bad
lone junco
exang and GCB are both functions of energy when not aligned with the vanish//vendetta.
holding them forever is not best.
primal gazelle
@strange python you will almost never cast any envenoms in a regular pack in m+, excluding bosses ofc
which makes tb a waste
primal gazelle
4-5 is enough to not cast envenoms
ocean marten
Plus you gotta maintain ruptures
primal gazelle
which is most packs in m+
lost horizon
I mean I agree with exsang >>>> tb
primal gazelle
go try against a 4 target dummy, you can barely keep up full garrotes and full ruptures on 4 targets with barely any gcds left to spare for envemon
thorny shore
@solid nova so we delay 15 seconds of second vendetta to use with 4th exs, vanish and galecaller?
balmy zodiac
hello guys which is better atm and in 8.1 assa or sub?.
just lvled one played as assa
spice surge
Yes @thorny shore
Play whatever you find the most fun, they're good at different things and neither is inheritly better @balmy zodiac
balmy zodiac
ty @spice surge
calm grail
Do you still need three sharpened blades to be viable on multi-target?
spice surge
I assume you mean shrouded, and not sharpened, but sortof, depending on how you pull
Scent is also very good though
solid nova
@thorny shore Yes mate, Eleem had you covered thankfully ๐ Was driving home from work.
acoustic cave
guys what do you say for 8.1 changes for traits ? seems like they will get bonus dmg from versa do you guys think versa will be more important at 8.1?
sturdy python
The scaling isn't changing. Versa is just being added to the formula on tooltips
acoustic cave
oh I see thx for answer
solid nova
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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serene hinge
does mainhand enchant proc more often than offhand? or does it not matter which weapon you have which enchant on?
sturdy python
Doesn't matter
serene hinge
great thanks
vocal rain
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
@lone hamlet https://gyazo.com/6adc067903fab46e5203306e2cd33567
quasi pewter
that screenshot doesnt say anything tbh
normal spear
it doesnt say that much, but 94.66% garrote could be much better
quasi pewter
it could be but it doesnt have to be a problem
plenty of good logs with similar uptimes
civic palm
That's great, your uptime could be better.
quasi pewter
the uptime is not a problem though, so it doesnt help
civic palm
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normal spear
at 1:17 fetid runs away, and at 1:25 again
several seconds lost
just running to the boss
and after that you get knocked back (~2 seconds lost before shadow step)
@lone hamlet
quasi pewter
see, thats better
normal spear
aaaand only 1 pot used
at least he got lucky that tanks came to the boss after it ran away, so fetid didn't run another time across the room. my tanks never do this ๐ฆ
civic palm
No1 way of increasing your parse, kill Fetid before 1 minute has passed.
Too many SURV hunters on this list get that mess outta here O _O
and get more sockets.
Gameplay seems fine minus the minor downtime from a knockback.
Didn't get lucky and get close to DoT an add as well.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
normal spear
just thinking: bl was on pull + he used vendetta. in this fight he would only get 1 vendetta, wouldn't it be better to used it after 50% on the boss?
civic palm
Possibly.
You don't get another natural alignment of Galecaller's so there's some weirdness there.
You cast like, no fucking abilities when he dies fast.
Get better raid members lul.
lone hamlet
get more sockets ? wtf
strong tusk
rogues can shadowstep to monks statues on mythic ghuun? in our raid druids can port to same statue that not in los for rogues. rogues need special positioning of these statues?
civic palm
ezpz take off rings ๐
Rogues require the flagging that you are on the second floor, so you have to sprint off the ramp to get there.
civic palm
Yeah like that.
strong tusk
thank you!
sick eagle
for zek'voz is it Outlaw>Sub>Assass.
If it is how big is the difference?
sick eagle
currently have 2 arms and 1 havoc and some mages for that burst damage sos ub with ST funnel damage I guess?
civic palm
Yeah if you think that switching to OTL for the burst isn't going to outway you just doting the boss and tunneling the void weavers.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
outweigh*
normal spear
sub won't do the trick
there won't be 6T always
outlaw will blow up the selithids + ok single target
if your raid doesn't need help with adds, take sin and afk tunnel zekvoz
civic palm
Yeah just rupture the weaver if it dies too fast. Probably stacked anyway.
sick eagle
do I rupture the small adds for more energy for evisc spam or it isn't necessary?
normal spear
i would rupture a few, so you get energy while they live + when they die
civic palm
Yeah but, not many.
wary ice
Do we still ignore envenom with Crimson Tempest at 2 targets?
sick eagle
ok ty
normal spear
CT at 2 targets? sounds really bad
wary ice
To clarify, next week is fort + sanguine, and im assuming CT has more value than bomb due to the importance of AoE in fort weeks, and the added movement from sanguine
Ideally i wont end upp at 2 targets
but i only control a third of the damage
normal spear
CT is better only with many targets that live long (i.e. really big pulls during fortified)
if your group doesn't do big pulls, i wouldn't even bother with CT
sick eagle
depends on dung tbh,like you will never take CT for KR and if the packs are big like ML etc. you play sub.
But if it sin't KR/ToS/(sometimes UR) or some dungs on Tyran. it's always CT if you choose to play assass.
but CT on 2 targets is not worth it imo
I use it on 3+
primal gazelle
The thing is your group should always be pulling big esp at higher keys otherwise you wonโt make timer
Like you should always aim to pull double packs in most dungeons
lone junco
@topaz spoke the mizerok kit has all sorts of goodies.
topaz spoke
will check that out thankyou!!
lone junco
!wa
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sharp star
With SS/exsang, are people holding third exsang to line up with vendetta/vanish, or holding off vendetta to line up with 4th exsang?
strange python
4th Exsang with Vendetta and Vanish
sick eagle
can someone check my logs on Vectis?
Not sure what I am doing wrong tbh
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WMafXh213Z6HqB9m/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=16
solid nova
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sick eagle
oh yea lets ignore pots xd
Wasn't an easy farm kill so didn't really use them to try to better log
and we didn't get to a point were dps needed to get the kill
solid nova
Well you start the fight with 3.5 seconds of nothing as well
So as well as your choice of pots, there 2 factors already
sick eagle
if you mean downtime at the beginning is the boss being pulled to the middle,guess I should SS to it but don't want to complicate vector cuz it's already complicated
solid nova
Tricks?
sick eagle
but I mean what is wrong rotation wise
solid nova
You didnt line your 2nd pot up with anything either
cinder quail
@sick eagle our raid lead yells at us to make sure we're on vectis immediately on pull, running with until we're at markers. vector shouldn't go out until about 2 seconds or so after you're at markers i believe.
normal spear
you didn't use TB in your opener
fluid drift
vectors start randomly anyway so it doesn't matter where you're standing until they're about to expire, so dps on pull with tricks on and run with the boss (with sprint)
solid nova
Youve also got a triple mutilate in there as well.
sick eagle
@cinder quail yea never figured that out
I saved Tb for add so it dies fast but I guess it's better for boss since there is hero
Triple mutilate is from random evisc parry. I press it,it parries,I don't notice,so I press mutilate.
Well I see I am doing like shit,this things should help me ty vm
solid nova
Yeah, your 2nd pot was questionable as well. CD usage went down hill towards the end
You vanished on its own, when Vendetta was off CD. Vendetta on its own, then after it had expired 2nd potted with GCB.
Makes no sense
static hedge
New here - Don't shoot. What's GCB stand for?
fluid drift
GCB = galecaller's boon (trinket)
static hedge
Ahh ok thank you
fluid drift
Also @sick eagle you only used vendetta 3x. Could fit 4x full vendettas in that kill time (lines up with vectis coming out of intermission)
and your toxic blade debuff is being used really late on the add sometimes, which causes it to die halfway through the debuff. perhaps try swapping to the add faster and have CPs ready to put an immediate rupture on it so you can start using TB earlier
grave elk
what second poison do we put on our weapons ? crippling or wound?
im not talking about pvp
rare jackal
crippling is a must in m+
earnest token
how do you decide whether to go exsanguinate or TB in m+?
strange python
You dont decide, you just go exsang
gray crest
is exsang really that much better
normal spear
it's easier to utilize I guess
lethal heart
it isnt much better
sharp spear
if i use Crimson Tempest as a talent in scenarios like m+, am i using it on st bosses in the instance?
hybrid chasm
no
sharp spear
not even if exsang is rdy?
lethal heart
never
sharp spear
ok thx
edgy ginkgo
radiant storm
Is the BIS traits for raiding 2 Archives and 1 SS?
fickle epoch
@radiant storm depends on the fight, ST is 2x DD and 1x archive but I can't stand the rotation w/o SS so I run 2x SS and 1x archive.
radiant storm
What benefit is 2 SS ? just a little more garrote dmg?
fickle epoch
Yes
radiant storm
Would 2 Archives not result in more dps?
fickle epoch
maybe, sim it on raidbots
sturdy python
Probably not though
radiant storm
My sims say that i should do more dps with dagger in the back sharpened blades and laser matrix but in actual practice i find 1 twist 1 ss and one archive resulting in more dps
i have a twist because i havent got vectis helm
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scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
wary ice
!m+
robust cloak
hey guys, if you have 3 combo points and toxic blade is about to run out, is it better to use a weaker envenom or use mutilate and spend the combo points after?
normal spear
let it run out and use 4+ CP envenom. i imagine 3 CP envenom into TB wouldn't be that big of a damage loss, but still a loss
strange python
The question is whether a 3cp envenom with TB is more valuable than a 5cp envenom without since you're guaranteed to get to 5 with that mutilate.
My guess is no.
strange python
thx fix my cleave problem
dont take posion bom for mythic plus unless raid
crimson blade does more
topaz notch
maybe a bit slow answer but if u do the math, the mutilate will put u on 5cp and a 3cp envenom with the toxic blade buff is roughly 78% the damage of a 5cp envenom
if im right
so should be worth casting another mutilate
rich crow
Can someone look into my parses from today and pm me what to improve? I did play really poorly today but I dont know what to do to get better XD https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DzghJqVNcvR39PbQ/
strange python
hmm not bad
champz
dont tink gahuun good boss for any class amount movment there
if u cen ped it great
topaz notch
Well was this your second kill of the boss?
rich crow
yeah
topaz notch
well, im not the best when it comes to reading logs, but you did most dmg in your group to raid
and if i compare your logs to rogues with similar ilvl etc~ the high loggers is better at dotting up adds
so maybe you tunnel the boss too much?
rich crow
Ahh I get triggered, I always see people with 90%+ parses t-t I want that too
rich crow
I see
topaz notch
77% of your damage is done to ghuun while if i check other rogues, 60-65% of their damage is dealt to ghuun rest to adds
so focus keeping bleeds up on adds, u might see a big difference
and as always, its practice ^^ if u did every try in one way, you got a good routine for that, so expect some trys with dotting everything up
strange python
tobias
1 qestion how to get u bleed so high dps meter like malee higher then my bleed
sould not tick for more
hes to do mastery
topaz notch
Well i dont know, depends on traits, uptimes, how u execute your vanishes etc, but guys im no pro so i might be wrong
strange python
degger back few top trait but i dont tink traits thet good be fair
topaz notch
no its not a good trait
rich crow
kk, ty ๐ฌ
topaz notch
unless u can hit your target from behind 100%
else dagger is not as good as it can be
strange python
not always depents wat u face
sure shadow step it but still just go arch titans
mastery ? dot everting i cen
tap like mad man
topaz notch
mastery in what?
strange python
for bleed
strange python
mythic plus
strange python
ye
north cobalt
So i see a pin that says "shrouded suffocation fixed". Why does bloodmallet still show it being one of the worst traits? ๐ค Should i be using it when i can?
civic palm
Check the talents and encounter bloodmallet is using to simulate, probably ST without Subterfuge, so SS is going to be low.
jaunty crystal
am I losing dmg on mythic vectis by trying to keep rupture/garrote up on boss and add at all times.
civic palm
Just keep Rupture on add for normal rotation, Garrote as well if empowered.
Tunnel add if add DPS is too low, boss if add DPS is fine.
jaunty crystal
yea I'm garroting both during my vanish
alright thanks for answering, that's kind of waht I expected.
last crown
sound right that my sim is valuing overwhelming power SO highly that it wants me to take twist the knife and dagger in the back over shrouded and matrix?
strange python
what's the optimal setup for Toxic blade window? How much should you pool?
patent topaz
almost 100 wipes to kill mythrax, should have killed him last week
extending until we kill ghuun
rare jackal
we killed him in two raid days, the last hotfix nerfed him so hard
patent topaz
melee not getting orbs was pretty huge, we just had inconsistent pulls where everytime someone would die to beam, get sheared or double mcd
we actually killed him the 1st time we got to p3
worldly ledge
@strange python well, around 70 nrg without burst
robust cloak
late, but thanks @normal spear @strange python and @topaz notch ๐
vast forum
That's extremely optimistic
blazing forge
True.. but its 10 stacks of array
Bosses are doable within one night imo if ppl adapt fast to tactivs
crude bay
We did that in one week aswell
leaden storm
not killing zek is basically not having killed a mythic boss
if you canโt beat the mechanics check on zek, the others will be unpleasant to say the least
crude bay
We even did zul same week, so i believe
leaden garden
Hey guys. I'm new to both rogue and this raid tier. My guild is 2 mythic bosses down, so very casual. Tonight they are bringing me to HC, my first time in Uldir. My question is, is fatboss still a good source for tactics or is there better guides around?
leaden storm
as dps you donโt really need to know much. donโt get hit by stuff kill adds.
crude bay
Fatboss is solid yes
vast forum
It's not impossible to kill all in the same week, but i'm genuinely curious how you haven't killed zek yet
leaden garden
Thanks
leaden storm
zek isnโt a dps check anymore, itโs just a question of whether 20 people can dodge surgings, interrupt the adds, and get the roilings away
vast forum
The big issue here is - if 12 weeks into uldir you haven't killed 3 mythic bosses, how do you hope to kill 3 new ones in the same week?
leaden storm
zul can easily go down the next night after fetid if you have a bunch of rogues prepared, but not killing zek means either your dps is VERY low or your raid is mechanically challenged, the former is a problem for fetid, the latter is kind of an issue for both fetid and vectis
rare jackal
there are a lot of 2/8m guilds on my server struggling
leaden storm
probably still more 2/8m guilds than 8/8h guilds
rare jackal
yeah i think so too
unkempt karma
Im purely pugging, so at 2/8 M
Not had a chance to work in anything except zekvoz, which has not gone to well.
dusky tinsel
With the recent nerfs to Fetid I'd Imagine it would be just as difficult as Zekvoz
lone hamlet
Should I pool energy to do more env during the effect ?
solid nova
If you plan properly, pooling will be minimal, if at all
lone hamlet
Plan what ? Refreshing dots ?
solid nova
Yeah
Emphasis on pooling isnt as big as made out to be
Plan properly and you'll not have energy issues during TB to maximise envenom uptime
patent topaz
If you are 2/8 then you must raid 3 hours a week or something
bronze kelp
or members that are not suitable for mythic and are blocking your progress
wary ice
we're 2/8 and havent raided in 6 weeks :/
smoky moth
So i've been running archive helm/shoulders and dagger in the back chest with subterfuge - all pieces at 385. (i messed with MA but it didn't seem to make a difference outside of better burst)
I'm simming the SS chest from fetid and it sims 300dps less but am i wrong in thinking that SS chest is the better choice? Seems like there is less RNG involved and dagger only sims that well on patchwerk fights.
high siren
is there somewhere I can see what's the number of pulls average per boss for the first kill ?
marble hemlock
the ST sim is pretty reliably @smoky moth . you are however right, that for some encounters you may still want to get the SS chest when you get better value out of it. so if theres an add, for example on fetid, and it has a high priority and you can make good use out of vanish/exsanguinate on it, SS might be the better choice still
fast bison
!m+
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marble hemlock
but for pure ST id trust the sim in that regard (unless you have to stand in front of the boss for long periods of time)
smoky moth
Yeah the only fight i was thinking of using dagger over SS was taloc but even then i'm not sure?
opaque grotto
SS sims a couple hundred dps less for me but I still run it on most bosses
I just prefer subt over MA anyways
With exsang
spice surge
Exsang is such a satsifying abilty to press
Compare that to tb which is just a wet little noodle
opaque grotto
Even if it sims slightly lower I still take exsang because I prefer it
spice surge
Exsang sims higher for me so im good ๐
opaque grotto
Yeet ๐
spice surge
I also have 7 sockets, which is also pretty neat
smoky moth
i'm not 100% sure how sims work but is TB sims based on getting x3 env in a single TB?
opaque grotto
Nope
smoky moth
just two?
opaque grotto
2 is the goal
marble hemlock
im not sure how much the value of dagger drops if you dont have 100% uptime on the boss, but it definitely favors SS more if that happens regularly
opaque grotto
Yea nobody likes dagger anyways
mossy kelp
Hey quick question, does azerite traits like Twist the Knife dr if stacked?
sturdy python
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.
mossy kelp
ty
sturdy python
Damage stacks, anything else normally doesn't
spice surge
I mean, isnt that command wrong? The other compenents can be assume to not stack
Damage always does though
sturdy python
Yes you're right, needs fixed
sturdy python
Ty
spice surge
๐ Thats some fast fixing ๐
solid nova
Fixed
nova pagoda
What do yall think would be better 2 Double dose or 1 double 1 ss double sims higher but i dont know if SS would be better for add dmg
restive echo
sturdy python
I think ddx2 is better until more than one target show up Rashathel. Make sure you sim with subterfuge if you have ss though.
strange python
is ddx2 and archivex1 best for fights like fetid, taloc?
quick fog
Ddx2 arch x1 is probably the best build for almost everything
strange python
i thought SS is better for multitarget
vocal lantern
SS is better if there are gonna be better for 2 targets
quick fog
Like Seli said you might consider taking SS for adds that line up with CDs
vocal lantern
more than 2**
spice surge
I have been beaten
pulsar goblet
Today was a Good cache boys
https://i.imgur.com/H5hQeCi.png
strange python
Hot
pulsar goblet
Yeah kind of been struggling with trinkets so it was pretty cool to get
finite acorn
muted jacinth
just got second dd azerite. now I just need zul shoulders..
lean coral
fucking finally
ive done so many fucking shrine 10s and never seen one higher than my 355 one
muted jacinth
we believed in you all along
sand whale
same cape for the 4th week thankyou blizz
marble hemlock
clearly they want you to take up the cape and fight crime during the night
primal gazelle
does anyone know what happens to raiderio at the end of the season and the start of a new tier?
inner pecan
it resets to zero and the previous season is archived
primal gazelle
would the previous season score be shown on the addon still?
inner pecan
haven't used the addon since legion bcz I don't pug, not sure
primal gazelle
thinking about how to filter out the plebs when forming a group to farm 10s for new 415 gear when the new tier drops
pale agate
press the magnifying glass button in the group finder
gives you a string to paste into raider.io
and it shows previous season's score
along with other stats etc, for all applicants at once
strange python
Man everyone had good caches while I got 380 crit mastery ring
dense quest
someone has to suffer, we all cant have good caches
pale agate
does crippling poison affect sanguine healing? / is it worth running over deadly?
inner pecan
you can run both my dude
mystic hawk
Hey, any informations for me how to use Galecaller's Boon and any Macro?
inner pecan
you mean wound poison? @pale agate
inner pecan
not worth ever
pale agate
kk. it's a huge chunk of my dmg so that makes sense
fading vigil
Character:
Author: @fading vigil
Updated: 15 hours ago.
Character: Gruthalogy (US-Illidan)
**Spec & Class: **Assassination Rogue
**Equipped ilvl: **369
Custom Options:
Reorigination Array: 6
Simulation:
Report: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dqwy9RKNySMHpfQxhHq7bj
DPS: 15,652
Elapsed Time: 01:50. Can someone look over my guy and tell me why my sims are so shit?
Even with 10 stacks I barely break 16k. If anyone can look over this guy and tell me the biggest upgrade would be for me at this point. Iโm deff willing to learn and take good critical criticism!
inner pecan
your helm and chest are pretty bad
easy upgrades to aim for are the vectis helm and fetid chest
I would sim TB it could be better for you since you don't have a GCB
spice surge
Besides what famo said its basicly just get higher ilvl/sockets on more pieces
white igloo
Also your ilvl sucks
I sim around 18k at 382
So youโre not really far off persay
spice surge
Ilvl is a poor indication of damage
white igloo
Sure it is but itโs a consistent indication
spice surge
I sim 19.5k at 383
sturdy python
It isn't consistent at all
jaunty crystal
Do you have like 10 sockets lmao
sturdy python
A 370 with 385 weapons and azerire will out sim a 370 with 360 weapons and 395 off pieces
fading vigil
What are you referring to when you say TB @inner pecan Iโm sorry I probablyknow just canโt think of the acronym
spice surge
Toxic blade
fading vigil
Oh fucking ay, Iโm stupid ๐๐
spice surge
@jaunty crystal 7
white igloo
Yeah but 12 overall ilvl is a ton of stat
I did say itโs a bad indication
But odds are 12 overall ilvl will correlate to higher damage
Mainhand ilvl is still the wildcard ๐คท
fading vigil
So quick question. I have the TB, m10 trinket, would that be better than the ones I have for assasination?
half tartan
With triple shroud for M+, what is standard opener for Exsang / Crimson Tempest? Garrote, Garrote, Garrote, CT, Fok(4) Rup, Exang, Fok(4), Rup, Fok, CT?
inner pecan
things don't really work in set rotations like that, it'll depend
half tartan
lets say 4 target taht like 30 seconds
-40
or is there some priorities that I can use to figure out what's best
inner pecan
but on huge your general goal is to get 3 ss garrotes every time, get enough Ruptures so that energy isn't an issue and then FoK/CT spam
half tartan
that's the ez part the hard part is how to incorporate CT
inner pecan
get it rolling either as your 1st spender or 2nd spender
half tartan
like spam CT, keep CT debuff up?
inner pecan
you can spam it if you have enough energy and there's a lot of targets
You'll generally need about 4 Ruptures out to spam it comfortably though
But it depends how long things live, if there's a prio target etc
Things that die quick favor CT spam, things that live long favor Rupture multi-dot
half tartan
KK, these items will actually help โค
Would it be acceptable to use rupture as 1st / exang when strong target on 4ish mobs then spam 2-3 CT then back to rupturing
inner pecan
on 4 i'd probably do Rupture on 1st, Exsg, then CT, then spread Ruptures on all, then go back to CT while maintaining your Ruptures
at that point ignore garrotes unless you vanish to empower
inner pecan
same general idea but instead of throwing out CTs you can throw out Envenoms
you can maintain CT dot but it's not huge prio
obtuse ruin
uuh anyone here using details know how to not show enemy mobs dps in dungeons? ._.
vapid moth
You mustve changed data tabs
Right click the bar above the first dps bar
You'll get all the choices @obtuse ruin
obtuse ruin
its like this https://i.imgur.com/VAaFA0I.png im in the damage done tab
vapid moth
Oh. Strange
obtuse ruin
well reinstalling worked
scenic frost
Sometimes you just gotta turn it off and turn it on again...
sage prairie
In Uldir, on most of the bosses like Fetid, Mythrax, e.t.c., would I want 2 double dose or shrouded suffocation, if same ilvl?
as in single target bosses
fleet whale
for ST dd is better, but i wouldn't really go out of my way to farm DD traits as, well, they are kind of hard to farm
fleet whale
if they are same ilvl or better than the pieces with SS then go ahead then
just note DD relies a little more on boss uptime
sage prairie
gotcha
lost sentinel
I swapped out my DD back to SS cause DD barely sims higher and as NE I get an extra SS empowered garotte due to shadowmeld
sage prairie
Shadowmeld?
lost sentinel
yeah, NE racial
fleet whale
nelf racial
lost sentinel
I've always been nelf ๐
sage prairie
Horde tho, so I didnt have an option for nelf :p
fleet whale
i like SS more personally because of the CPs on the opener
lost sentinel
I got trolled today in my chest, I got a SS chest piece but it was on my DH... and a third shoulder piece on my rogue
can't wait for 8.1, main complaint is that azerite is too rng in m+
vapid moth
i have 2 secondaries that sim close to each other. unstable flames and heed. which would you guys take
echo cargo
unstable flames- crit feels spicy
lost sentinel
they're both pretty good, one can ramp up and the other hits harder faster I'd imagine...
for raids i'd go unstable I think, for M+ I'd go heed
unless u rly need crit for M+
which is a good stat tbf
so I'd go either ๐
vapid moth
alrigiht
echo cargo
Construct Overcharger outsimming my other trinkets but it feels bad :x
molten moon
shadowmeld applies emp garrote?
spice surge
Only the SS bonus damage, not subterfuge
fluid drift
unstable > heed for m+ imo cause crit is so good for CP generation with fan (and heed aoe is tiny)
spice surge
So a little bit, but not overly much
strange python
Is ravenholdt up to date for sin?
spice surge
Yes
static sky
I've had some people telling me I need to stop running SS in raid. They said its been shit for like a month, is this true?
primal gazelle
i dont like how we need to carry separate gear sets for ST/aoe situations, we cant be optimal at both ๐ฆ
pliant nest
SS is still pretty good for ST, just not as op anymore as it used to be
worldly temple
Why does nobody do the Wowanalyzer for sin ๐ญ
lilac spade
Does anyone know how to custom sim your toon? Like compare dmg spikes in kidney shots. Iโd like to set custom rotations in pvp, particularly dmg done inside kidney shots to compare ex against TB
final stone
so for ne racial that only works for m+s and everything but raids correct?
sturdy python
It works for raids too, it just lets you apply garrote with ss damage and extra cps
Doesn't benefit from subterfugr talent
stable pine
How is Shadowmeld for M+ trash? Is it pretty good for SMโ>stealth then garrotes on trash?
hollow junco
it helps but it's not as strong as you'd think because it's only enabling shrouded suffocation, not subterfuge
meaning you get ONE additional empowered garrote, and it is not as empowered as the first three from your opener out of actual stealth
stable pine
Sorry i meant SM then go into stealth before reopening with garrotes again
For M+ trash packs as I know you canโt do that on raid bosses?
dark crag
In legion it worked, sm stealth reopen
stable pine
What about BFA?
dark crag
I don't know, i am no ne since antorus
pale agate
does feint work on ground effects like sanguine or the green shit in AD?
gray crest
very rarely is there an aoe on the ground that doesnt count as aoe damage.
pale agate
great, i wasn't sure if stuff on the ground in general would count
dark crag
Thats the next thing we get nerfed in, only instant onehit aoes get reduced by feint
pale agate
oh no. just started this rogue, guess i can enjoy it while it lasts
apparently i missed the days of 100% feint uptime as well
dark crag
It was a joke
pale agate
ah good lol
dark crag
You missed the no cd and low energy cost times
Sub rogue wod pvp setboni was triggered by feint
900 versa or something
hollow cloud
fuck.
spice sorrel
Is overwhelming power any good for m+? It sims highest but idk if it's worth it due to the damage you take from trash
strange python
hi
can someone tell me a good opener with toxic blade with shrouded suffocation?
!opener
!options
marble hemlock
strange python
wut? haha
strange python
oh yes I see
marble hemlock
it has all the potential azerite/talent combinations and the respective opener
strange python
thank you sir!
worldly ledge
Garr rup garr vend muti rup muti 3-4cp tb env muti -4-5cp env
But if u are quick enough and pure st fight garr rup vendetta garr muti rup muti 3-4cp tb env muti env muti env
solid nova
Theres no tb in that opener you wrote..
stable pine
Wtf why vend before multi rupt?
solid nova
No need to rupture twice either
inner hull
!m+
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worldly ledge
What is urs?
solid nova
Depends on traits/talents
subtle tundra
with this you get 3 envenoms in tb
if i get lucky with crits i can get 60k+ each
stable pine
@worldly ledge damage increase from Vendatta only applies to the target itโs not an overall damage increase so vendetta and then apply multi rupts makes absolutely no sense
worldly ledge
So I shouldnt apply rup for the full 31 sec before vendetta? Ill try this tomorrow. That gar rup gar vend tb env.
solid nova
Openers based on traits/talents are here
Please do read them as both examples you gave were incorrect
worldly ledge
I read it. I just dont understand why i believed that is good + i dont know than why I am the highest dps in almost all fights. I look forward for that guys thank you for helping me!
stable pine
@worldly ledge you do have to keep rup up time, so it will be gar,rup,gar,vend,tb,env(you should be able to fit in 3env during that TB) then apply a fresh rupt after that before it runs out
Practice on dummy
worldly ledge
@stable pine thanks a lot. :) Tomorrow ill have time for partice!
fading vigil
Is doom wake better than a 355 Harlanโs loaded dice with a socket and a fathoms?
Trinket. Bloodmallet is telling me itโs one of the best trinkets, I simmed the trinket, and it says no upgrade?
sick monolith
my friend just got a titanforged dooms wake
im qutting this fucking game
he's a god damn enhancement shaman
pliant prism
Just get tforged Galecaller's ๐
sick monolith
mythic 10?
solid nova
@fading vigil Sockets can be worth 15ilvls, if not more. Fathoms has simmed well all tier and will continue to do so.
The sim is accurate
fading vigil
Serious question. Iโm trying to be better. So a 370 dooms wake would not be an upgrade @solid nova ? Iโm still learning a lot on my rogue bro.
solid nova
Quite possibly not. If you've simmed it correctly, it'll be accurate mate
Bloodmallet has generic weights, where as raidbots sims will take into account your toons stat weights etc.
cosmic forge
what do you think guys. m+ with 2 x SS. 3rd : archive or double dose. both same ilvl. No option for a 3rd SS sadly.
wise phoenix
double dose is better outside of uldir
last parrot
Do we need 3 SS? I always have one (i dont even have more) as I like the dot dmg but espec the bonus combo pts
Others are double dose and archive for me
young socket
3 SS is for M+
spice sorrel
2xSS and 1 archive is p nice if you're chain pulling trash
strange python
Why would u chain pull if u have SS
civic palm
It's more about not letting Archive get under like, 15 stacks.
strange python
@cosmic forge Go with archive, dont listen to Seran he doesn't know what he's talking about
spice sorrel
Yeah, wrong phrasing. Should have said "keep time b/w packs low"
Obv should be able to get out of combat to restealth
pliant nest
yea archive is def better for m+
cosmic forge
haha thanks gents
grim blade
Hey guys, Iโve simmed but hard to account for lots of movement in Uldir. 370 Galecallers + exsang sims about 150 dps higher than a 385 construct + tb. You think galecallers is worth it if you mainly only get it in for snapshotting exsang? I think I miss out on prob about 50% of uptime on the haste buff for various reasons on most bosses
eager linden
I'd suggest going with Construc + TB, it's much much easier to use.
Well, more like, it's harder to fuck-up compared to GCB + Exsang. In the end if you dont play the first talent/trinket combo perfectly, you'll end up losing way more dps
grim blade
Yeah that makes sense. Thanks Tess
lapis trail
!wa
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desert vault
prolly 1x SS and 1x DD on mythic Mythrax over 2x DD? Similar sim results really
lilac spade
Haste proc mods, like gale callers, snapshots dots?
quaint pewter
is 370 Doom's Wake behind Fathoms?
bloodmallet vs sims, sims puts it on top
Fathoms, that is
normal spear
raidbots will always be more accurate than bloodmallet
quaint pewter
/sigh ... I thought I was finally rid of this thing
heady marsh
is that bug still around, that after the 3 SS garottes, any new garrote will reset the damage boost on all?
slender sandal
Nope
heady marsh
good to safely do that 4th garrote then, nice
hazy skiff
Does anybody have a sim for m+?
normal spear
!m+
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crystal vault
do i refresh garrote and rapture before exsg, or what is the magical uptime left on Dots to use exsg?
spice surge
Refresh garrote if its in pandemic, rupture if its below 20s
Otherwise just go, dont delay exsang
crystal vault
thank you
fading vigil
Iafyer the buff to contract over charger, is it worth having now?
spice surge
Not really but maybe depending on what you have, herodamage is updated
buoyant coyote
Is it panda and troll that sims higher at 380 will?
spice surge
Add phase as in when the add spawn, or intermission?
But typically you save for when the add spawn
grave elk
when using crimson tempest for m+ u never use it with less then 3 enemies? not even on boss right
spice surge
Only on 3+
austere scarab
@spice surge I'm just wondering if I can use it every time small adds come out, or if I wait for the big add to vanish after opener
I'll probably know once we pull but idk
spice surge
The weapon spawn (the add during not intermission) lines up with first vanish
It spawns at like 16s
austere scarab
okay, dope
I just wanna put garrote on all the small adds but I'm getting the impression using vanishes on every other weapon is better
for actual progression of the fight
lol
spice surge
All the small adds? You mean the visions?
grave elk
Eleem ok so besides reapplying dots just envenom right?
austere scarab
yeah lol
spice surge
They should be stacked and just instadie from cleave
spice surge
If you stand ontop of a rock
All will spawn stacked
Im sure you can find a video of the exact location of the rock if you look
Yeah loti
austere scarab
yeah we're having the portal put there
I thought they might live a bit longer cuz mythic
sturdy knoll
!m+
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spice surge
Nah they die real fast since theyre so stacked
strange echo
!wa
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rugged jetty
how many vendettas do you guys get on mythic tal?
lone junco
@quaint pewter if you dont want to use raidbots or simc just guess.
feels like a crafted trinket 355 should not beat a 375. so just go with your gut.
im probably a little late, but @worldly ledge dont do this.
very silly.
RIP Poisoned wire. I actually wanted that to be a thing. They could have bumped it into play.
I love some quality mut crit.
spice surge
The damage of the new vendetta trait is pretty lackluster too
lone junco
ugh
spice surge
And unless the extra energy amplifies venomous wounds, its prob not gonna be too great. (It apparently gives you 20% more energy regen, rather than 2 per second)
trim wasp
Is 3x SS still the best for Mut ?
lone junco
in M+ it is best.
trim wasp
For Mythic Uldir what is ideal for azerite
supple hearth
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trim wasp
Appreciate it
spice surge
@lone junco Seli was talking about some sweet 3x scent with nightsalker+deeper+CT for long lived sustained m+
lone junco
yeah., He has the biggest eggplant though
if you are pulling the 6-60 packs that last way way too long.
most ive ever seen him get was like 8x buff.
spice surge
Yeah most people arent gonna play at a level where things live that long ๐
lone junco
but it held 42k for like 30 sec.
spice surge
8 times 400 is a lot of agi
lone junco
and you need fat crit to 4+ cps each fok.
spice surge
Yeah you need massive crit for it
lone junco
that being said. 1ss 2scent is what I would enjoy playing
strange python
That build wont ever be viable for lower pugs
lone junco
Some times I do 2ss 1scent. cause it is more fun to tab rupture and feel like Im doing something
grim blade
hey guys on assassination APL, toxic blade on cooldown even if you have max cp. is that one of a few rare times where wasting CP is acceptable?
austere scarab
wowza
spice surge
and getting into a tb window with 0 cp is also bad
lone junco
real answer is plan better
spice surge
^
buoyant coyote
@rugged jetty about 2
lone junco
dont do the 3cp mut with TB soon.
grim blade
err from my understanding i was holding tb for the mut w/ 5cp, but the additional award was considered waste on wowanalyzer
not doing the 3cp mut haha
lone junco
if you dont cap E, then just wait a second.
mashing mut is not in your best interest
it does shit for damage and low crit rates. So if you can let your e fill up prior to the tb, then do that.
but we see logs all the time of 4 mut in a row.
so people do all sorts of dumb shit.
austere scarab
just so I don't feel dumb, 4pt envenoms are ok unless garrote / TB coming up soon?
spice surge
Yes
lone junco
4/5 are both fine. never mut on 4 is the basic rule.
good log content here.
quality parse
strange python
crucial kidney shot
willow cypress
Definitely a wipe saving kidney
spice surge
Kidney is pretty damage neutral compared to envenom though, assuming the target can be stunned ofc
(and you have internal bleeding)
honest needle
whats the trick for mythic vectis
Im taking alot of dmg
im trying to stay spread out
spice surge
Stay in your group until you have 6 stacks, then spead for aoe and stay in your group again
honest needle
the whole raid spreads
spice surge
why?
honest needle
@spice surge
does each group spread
or everyone
im taking alot of dmg i had 5 stacks
spice surge
What? Why would your group need to spread?
spice surge
Yes when he does the aoe and you have 6+ stacks
honest needle
is it the whole raid or just a group
spice surge
The people with 6 stacks
dry wren
Looking through logs, it seems some people hold exang for galecallers and other spam on cooldown
Is their a solid answer on which strategy is correct?
spice surge
Are you looking at vectis logs?
dry wren
Yeah, vectis and fetid
dry wren
My dps seems garbage on vectis and trying to figure out why
spice surge
Because you will never get 3 exsangs in on vectis anyway
As he transitions after 1.25ish
honest needle
is extang better now i been using tb
spice surge
Follow your sims
dry wren
Exang parses better for me, so I use it
honest needle
is there a wa for m vectis
that shows people with 6 stacks
so they kno to spread
dry wren
Yes
signal grotto
poison bomb or hidden blades for zul?
austere scarab
respec
dry wren
Yeah, sub for zul
signal grotto
I would, but my sub stats are garbage atm only 1 set of gear
spice surge
If its mythic go sub, for HC prob pb as adds just die instantly
austere scarab
doesn't matter, you'll do fine
dry wren
nope, that's for keeping stacks spread