technically you can add like 5-8 seconds with immunities can't you? LOL
#assassination
lost horizon
crude bay
So if variance is high, you can gamble on hitting that, like outlaw triplerolling 5 buffs
Yeah, you can
i simmed 20.5k for 2 min
strange python
I really don't think it would be out of the question at this point. If a group finds the right formula...
lost horizon
i actually just noticed ididn't have RA for my sim LOL
was in dungeon gear
WW monk 2min sim is probably pretty dirty
crude bay
Dunno, i think it's pretty far fetched
lost horizon
honestly doesn't seem doable
crude bay
Look at fetid f.ex, heroic, not too many people above 25k, and thats fights shorter than 1.5m with 50% dmg increase
strange python
Is the room timer exactly 2:00 flat. That top parse on that fight is an outlaw rogue at 2:36 pulling 46k
lost horizon
there's fetid kills in like <50sec
@strange python that's definitely rushing to 3rd room
crude bay
Ofcourse, but im looking at the longer timers, merlin
thats third room yes, 100% dmg buff and addspawns to pad
lost horizon
simmed a WW i know at 22k on 2min
crude bay
But quickest kill is 2:20, if first room is doable, then you can beat that
lost horizon
i don't think it's doable without godtier rng swings
crude bay
Ofcourse, swinging high dps early on, makes the fight shorter
strange python
Ya. Running outlaw would only make sense in that situation for padding 3rd room rush.
crude bay
So if you can bring fight below 2 min by everyone bursting 35k+ for lust, then the average 2 min doesnt matter as much
strange python
Not the situation you're talking about.
lost horizon
with correct gear 21k for me on 2min, idk what arcane sims look like but
crude bay
Yeah, i clear farm as outlaw, for 7/8, only go sub for zul
Had a pull on mother couple week ago, where i died 40% to beam, but was sitting at 34k
could easily go above 40k if i survived, but we had lots of dps down, so that makes last room slower, and more time to build dps
Now we killed her last room with 15 sec left of lusttimer, cause we bring her down a lot before we get there
shy blaze
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
dapper moat
how u guys see sin rogue in 8.1? still viable spec to play on end tier or other 2 specs have upper hand? how it feels in ptr?
tribal marlin
Sin will always shine in mythic progression because of its strong downtime. The only reason that may put other 2 spec ahead would be sin dealing very inconsistant damage and I don't think it will happens
indigo mulch
Subs new SD trait looks amazign tho. 2 cp whenever you click SD.
topaz notch
if you guys playing toxic blade, do you time it with second vendetta or u just keep casting tb on cd?
indigo mulch
On cd.
strong sundial
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
strong sundial
do i use the commandline "fight_style=DungeonSlice" instead of the codes from that pastebin site?
video needs an update
slate jacinth
lost light
Found all the useful info here for openers and such, but was looking for some info on things like Mythic+ trash packs. On like a 4-5 pack of trash, do you Garrote 3 targets, then work on putting Rupture/Garrote up on everything and just keep refreshing the dots?
buoyant coyote
sturdy python
@lost light look at the method video in pins, it'll help
analog rock
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.
analog rock
might be a stupid question but should i go for shrouded suffocation? like atleast one? then stack another trait? or is it not any good?
analog rock
okay thanks
hexed sail
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
hexed sail
what is that 4th garrote bug, is it still live ?
spice surge
No, fixed early october
hexed sail
cool
strange python
I saw a Selwen guide on youtube that said it's okay to Envenom on 3 combo points during Toxic Blade. Is that accurate?
I'm pretty sure no1 does that
Look at logs
lost light
@sturdy python Thanks, that helped quite a bit.
worldly ledge
@strange python where I can find those logs?
strange python
Wowlogs
Look at top parses for assassination that use toxic blade
Ya. was pretty sure that was inefficient. Not sure he came to that conclusion.
how*
normal spear
my very professional 2min dummy testing showed that 3CP envenoms into TB is a DPS loss. 12.1k regular and 11.9k 3 CP (even with a few envs being lucky 4CP)
cobalt flint
why would you always use 3CP envenoms in TB. If anything the only thing what might be interesting is if it's worth to cast it with for example a 3 CP at the end of TB as opposed to a proper one with 4-5 after the buff falls off. So is the waste of CP in that sense is worth the extra damage from TB buff. Or maybe that's already established to be worth, no idea.
steel terrace
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
ya. He wasn't saying always. he was saying if you land on 3 duing TB you would use it.
strange python
Ya. That's exactly what I was thinking. Is it more worth to just use the 3cp at the end of the Toxic Blade window.
finite yacht
You could just napkin math it
strange python
dsj already did it
"my very professional 2min dummy testing showed that 3CP envenoms into TB is a DPS loss. 12.1k regular and 11.9k 3 CP (even with a few envs being lucky 4CP)"
Surely a 3 combo point envenom buffed by elaborate planning & toxic blade is better than a non buffed 4 combo pointer
quick maff
karmic ingot
The real comparison isn’t 3 CP envenom buffed by EP and TB vs 5 CP unbuffed envenom.
More likely it’s 3 CP envenom buffed by EP and TB vs mutilate buffed by EP, envenom, TB (for deadly poison), and likely double dose, followed by an unbuffed 5 CP envenom.
I would bet the 3 CP envenom falls behind on average.
smoky topaz
what traits should i pick for ghuun fight? 😉
spice surge
Gutripper
shell night
King's rest should I be using toxic blade or exsanguinate for tyrannical week? Or should I just sim it?
lethal heart
exsang
strange python
what should be my reaction if mutilate crits and I hit 5 cp right before a toxic blade
fuck the cp and cast toxic blade either way no?
dapper moat
Dunno but i iften sacrafice cp and cast toxic blade.
spice surge
cast Tb anyway
strange python
Ive always preferenced Exsang over TB
thorn grove
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
winter moss
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
light rampart
I just took a. Look at herodamage. Is galecaller no longer our strongest trinket?
normal spear
it was and still is at the very top
but ofc not 100% best in all scenarios. depends on many factors
fresh ginkgo
if you change to exang i think it will show gale as top
grave elk
i have a weird issue.. i just got to zuldazar on my rogue who i transferred to horde today.. and the flightmaster isnt showing lol
has anyone had this problem
spice surge
Have you done the intro quests to get the thing unlocked?
grave elk
fuck me didnt see princess with intro quest ty
strange python
Hey guys general question: My friends and me are discussion over the usage of TB in Bossencounters. What do you think is the best usage and how worth is sacrificing how much seconds of its cd to pool? Some say use it on cd doesnt matter how much cp. Others say allways try to aim on 4cp and energy pool before it. But how much delay is worth of gaining the 4cps or is it just a throw out on cd?
sturdy python
You want to aim for having bleeds refreshed, 3 cp, pooled energy as it comes off cd
Plan properly and use on cd
A 5 second delay will result in a lost cast every 2 minutes or so and that's bad
Now if you mess up once in a whole fight then I'd say delaying a few seconds wouldn't hurt but if you're doing it consistently you'll see a loss
strange python
Yeah that sounds reasonable, do you think the dps gain will always be worth the pooling? I mean waiting for the energy and hitting the 3cps means you could also use an extra Muti(MaybeDD) with an extra Enven in this preparing process or am i overthinking it?
In the end there could also be the scenario that Bleeds are at 15 seconds when TB cd is on 5 secs
sturdy python
Overthinking it. You're going to use that energy one way or another as long as you aren't capping.
strange python
At least the bleed timers where a small problem for me
sturdy python
Yes but that's what you want to try and avoid with pre planning
I'm not great at it either since I run exsang mostly
But that's the goal
2 envenoms inside tb that is
strange python
Because with the standard opener Gar-Rup-Gar-Ven-TB-Enven-Mut-Enven-Refreshrup- You gonna hit the 10sec bleed with tb up 100%
And "Wasting" an enven to refresh rup at 15sec is also a loss or isnt it that big of a deal?
sturdy python
Sure but you're already getting two envenoms into tb there
It is a loss sure but the question is which loss is greater
I can't answer that for sure though
Probably depends on where your energy and cp is and whether you will have lust or vendetta
strange python
Yeah that was like the discussion we also had because some prefer just to throw it out and some wanna do the perfect play style you mentioned 😃 And it seems the dps variance seems pretty small
sturdy python
The perfect play is to have everything setup beforehand
That's what I'd shoot for, like I said even a small delay on tb can result in a lost cast
And that's definitely a big dps loss
And so is dots falling off
strange python
Yeah thats what it also thought so thx a lot! And how do you play it with exsang how long would you hold that?
sturdy python
Not at all preferably
Going to be a bit more forgiving since it's a longer CD, takes more delay to really hurt
Still same concept
Would say it's simpler though, just refresh bleeds and hit the button
spice surge
Although if you hold it it will go out of sync with other cds
sturdy python
That's true yeah
strange python
Yeah true
delicate root
TB gets weird on Vectis for me
Either I have to delay for the add or I use on the boss while the add is about to spawn :/
civic palm
Pick one and stick to it.
strange python
If garrote is going to run out during toxic blade window is it better to refresh before pandemic window . So refreshing at 8 seconds so you don't have to refresh after toxic blade
civic palm
It falling off at all is the worst option.
strange python
And also if I'm at 4 combo points (because of proc) but I have to refresh garrote and toxic blade is coming off cooldown
Should I garrote envenom toxic blade
Or toxic blade envenom garrote
civic palm
Garrote to 5
strange python
also pooling for toxic blade is just so you make sure you have enough for 2 envenoms , I'm finding it almost impossible to fit 3 in without a 4 combo point proc
Or am I wrong there
normal spear
3 is unlikely, yes
civic palm
3 is POG
normal spear
is there a way to somehow record target dummy practice? like a log, but not for raiding
spice surge
Yes, just log it
normal spear
xD k
spice surge
Its exactly the same, except you upload a fight vs a dummy instead of a raid boss
grave elk
crimson tempest for dungeons?
jaunty crystal
in most cases yes. There are a few exceptions where you could use PB instead.
grave elk
i know reset the dots at like 20% remaining? is there any exceptions to reapplying dots?
strange python
empowered and exsg?
grave elk
empowered?
grave elk
ok so when using subt u let garrote run fully out before reapply
strange python
no
Reapply at 5.4seconds or below
with another subt garrote ofc
so with vanish
and then u let it run out
grave elk
yea i got that. but other then that if i dont have a vanish or anything i let it run out
strange python
yeah
grave elk
so garrote without sub or ss always 5.4
strange python
yeah
grave elk
and ruptur 6.9 or something right
so rupture is always reapplied at that 7 ish second mark?
grave elk
ya srory it just actually doesnt state anything about reapplying garrote with subt or ss at all in the guuide from what i can see
sturdy python
^ just take the duration of whatever you're going to apply and multiply by .3
Same for all classes really
grave elk
question my friend just boosted a character and it looks like he has a GCD bar showing just under his hp bar and its just tedious. hes using default ui.. any help in settings to turn this off?
strange python
Yes type it in google not here
signal grotto
Just watched the m+ vid in pins, is the bug for garrote still in game w/ shrouded? Where you should only use 3 garrotes and let them run out before refreshing or addin more
supple hearth
What video
strange python
I think he means the guide from Fragnance
How can he edit it if he doesn't have access to it
You said edit the video
😄
I mean if there is no mention about the bug, it doesn't exist
supple hearth
@gusty kestrel Im also not paying attention. Write what it needs to be changed to and I'll pin it
strange python
He wants you to pin that SS bug has been fixed
supple hearth
The one we used !ss command for?
strange python
Yes
supple hearth
That one was fixed a while ago
And I don't see any mentioned of it in pins
Oh ok
Now I understand lol
Thats why I asked u to write it for me cause I wasn't understanding
:p
shadow iron
ct or pb for high M+ ?
supple hearth
Depends on how much ur pulling at a time
spice surge
CT if a dungeon allows you to pull big, PB if it doesnt
supple hearth
1-3 adds pb. If ur pulling like 5+ at a time CT
shadow iron
cheers 😃 just making sure ive not been picking the wrong one
shadow iron
true just depends on how much tank pulls too
shadow iron
for sure 😃 thank you
safe matrix
pb is better if your tank pulls small or you need boss damage
Like on tyrannical KR/tos
steep obsidian
i dont think ive ever bothered with ct
but the highest key ive done is like a 13 so it doesn't really mattter for what i do
just seemd kinda underwhelming and pointless for the damage it does
cobalt bloom
guys im just made a fresh rogue , i saw on logs darkmoon deck fathoms , so its good ?
steep obsidian
yeah i normall group with a high cleave group
cobalt bloom
should i buy it
steep obsidian
its extremely good for its ilvl nagato
you wont replace it for a while unless you have extreme luck in mythic+ chest
steep obsidian
you guaranteed to get like a 395 galecallers and plumage within the week that is how it works 😛
cobalt bloom
Hehh , hope i will , since i got bored of my overgeared lock + wanna try rogue 😄
shrewd topaz
Does the Sharpened Blades trait stack?
sturdy python
The damage does yes
vapid moth
do any of you use MA
civic palm
yes
earnest bridge
What spec is looking good for us in 8.1?
shy escarp
I don't think anythings really fundamentally changing for us in 8.1. probably most notable thing is the snake eyes changes for outlaw?
earnest bridge
hmmm, so I guess I will stick with assassination and offspec outlaw
wise mortar
And the shriken combo nerf
earnest bridge
oh yeah true!
young socket
hazy skiff
dice vs dead-eye in dungeons what do you guys think?
worn bone
What's a good WA for sin?
civic palm
That's subjective O _O
worn bone
I mean, any recommendations?
civic palm
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
worn bone
I see a lot of all-in-ones with stars and reviews, but they're all arbitrary to me since I just switched from Combat
Ooo
Thanks
I'm checking them out
grave elk
do you always take exsang if u are specc'd into crimson tempest?
civic palm
Nope.
grave elk
so if im trying to get into m+. what type of fight do i sim my talents on? so i can actually figure out talents to run
slim olive
6target 40 seconds patchwork
Keep in mind it's not always gonna be perfect
I.e. CDs and cc
grave elk
ok and for crimson temp u just reapply when its bleed runs out? orrr
of course i get it
slim olive
Yeah
grave elk
ok
echo jay
So are we really just taking same talents for ST and AoE? Sucks being stuck into poison bomb for everything
grave elk
i thought i heard crimson tempest can be good ? i figure just sim urself for specific content
empty quartz
i generally take tempest for most dungeons
zenith gust
hiya, is there any way to simulate venoms at raidbots? or what venom should i use for m+ and st content? i'm pretty new to assa spec, thx!
oak tangle
do you mean what poisons to use?
deadly poison and depending on if it will be useful crippling
zenith gust
k thx ))
next grotto
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
high holly
Shrouded Suffocation Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals 234[234 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)] additional damage.
if i'm reading this right it's a buff?
acoustic cave
if I understand correctly versa now buffs trait dmg right?
rare jackal
yeah this is big i think
regal tundra
Tooltip update
outer yacht
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
topaz notch
I see some people got like 70% uptime on Elaborate planning, is that even possible while using envenom at 4+ cp? and what ammount of haste would one need
acoustic cave
its possible yes I am using haste gear for tyranical weeks I have around %21 haste(1421) and I have really high up time on elobrate
velvet kernel
Maybe he is talking about raids ???
normal spear
just checked my mother log. 74.65% EP uptime with 1049 haste. i don't really pay that much attention to it
fickle viper
Can someone tell me the 5-10 key things to inspect in an assa log. Bleed uptimes, EP uptime, TB/Exs nr of casts, etc. ?
lethal heart
doubt anyone can do that
normal spear
garrote/rupture uptime, TB on cd and 2-3 envenoms into it, wasted CP (resources), vanish usage and alignment with other cds
fickle viper
I mean, what are the KPI's you look at in a log when someone asks you to review it
normal spear
i don't think EP is a big indicator of anything
it is also important to see when exactly cooldowns (vendetta, vanish) were used in a specific fight
leaden garden
Hey everyone I have a fast querstion. I am specced into Subterfuge, and was wondering about AoE doting with it. Do I first get Garrotes up, to get as many up in the 3sec window as possible, and then rapute then, or what? Atm I'm putting garrote up and then muti and then garrote and then on to next target, but if I do this I only get one empowered garrote in, so i guess it's not efficient.
Second question, am I always supposd to play Elaborate Planning, and never Master Poisoner? I play with Toxic Blade
Oh I mean, im putting garrote, mutil and then rapture
normal spear
you should always get 3 empowered garrotes up in your opener
master poisoner sims lower, so people always use EP
tough lantern
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
lone junco
Pop quiz :
Why does haste scale well for assassin?
Wrong.
Energy.
Energy return from the haste stack is absurdly high. +. The energy return from bleed tick rates.
The end.
calm grail
I quit WoW 3 weeks ago has anything fun happened since?
Looking at the theory crafting section and the pins in here it seems like nothing has changed.
placid egret
😬
lone junco
@calm grail nothing. I'll prob take a break until something new. Have work to do anyway.
left wolf
hey, does it matter if i "overwrite" my rupture and garrote when i used exsan before? like when rupture is 5sec left
drifting cloud
yes its a dps loss if you overwrite it
left wolf
refresh at the end? or can i do it when its 5sec left
solid nova
You let them run
left wolf
aight ty
strange python
Is it worth to apply a lets say 3cp rupture, if you fuck up your combo points when rupture runs out?
Or do you generate enough combo points first and apply a 5 sec rupture
5cp*
spice surge
Just follow your sims
quasi pewter
there is no too much if it sims best
strong sundial
is there a way to sim "fight_style=DungeonSlice" with TopGear ?
leaden garden
Do I always let empowered garrotes run out completely before throwing a regular garrote? And if so, why is it that its better to let it run out rather than refreshing at 1s left?
spice surge
Because you lose out on an empowered tick if you refresh before it runs out
lethal heart
you lose 1 tick of empowered garrote
leaden garden
gottcha, thanks
spice surge
Its more than 1 tick
As the last tick also has the partial tick from your haste
So 1-1.99 ticks depending on your haste
finite acorn
not sure have i seen this in guides i might be blind but when using exsg do i reapply bleeds normally ?
spice surge
Let them run out
finite acorn
ok cheers
obtuse ruin
sharpened blades 
tough lantern
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: fight_style=DungeonSlice
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
worldly ledge
Is sharpened blade that OP?
spice surge
What do you mean that OP? Check herodamage if you want a comparison on how good the traits are
obtuse ruin
dont hate on pandas
fickle viper
fresh ginkgo
Bouncy best trait in game
spice surge
bouncy rogue best way to pretend you still have the sub artifact
runic basin
news about nerfs or something with 8.1 ?
pale agate
using fight_style="DungeonSlice" I'm simming higher with TB/PB than exsang/CT, does that sound wrong?
cursive gyro
Will assassination rogue still be very good in 8.1?
strange python
Idk we'll see
cursive gyro
I guess at least one rogue spec will be good damage ?
spice surge
That is how it usually goes yes
strange python
Playing a class with 3 dps specs is always safe
royal lantern
rogue has enough utility too be atleast good all the time
lone junco
@pale agate dungeon slice looks at st and cleave. The pull count may or may not be realistic w/r/t your groups. Aka Ct on 10x is worth more than pb. But pb is more on bosses.
And keep in mind all sims stack mobs. So pb hits. Ct is kite friendly.
Did you sim that with 3ss / subterfuge as well?
high nova
should toxic blade be used on CD? or only if you can fit in 2 4+ CP Envenoms in the window?
strange python
CD
dense blaze
Use it when the cooldown is 0
normal spear
even if you are absolutely energy starved and know that you'll fit only 1 env?
bold mural
do garrotes casted with subterfuged count as stealth empowered with ss?
dense blaze
Yes and yes
sturdy python
If you're energy starved then you planned improperly, the proper play is to not let that happen
dense blaze
If you're comparing TB's outside your opener it will feel 'starved'
normal spear
yeah, i know. just curious
lone junco
@spice surge nice. Solid strat.
strange python
.............
lone junco
I have between 7-8 sockets depending on set.
vestal wren
i got 3 sockets, and one on a not so high itemlvl piece
sockets are quite strong atm, also its kind of odd that 395 is highest itemlvl you can get
lost horizon
That doesn't sound right @lone junco can you link that sim?
strange python
It sounds right for an OH
lost horizon
That ilvl difference sounds excessive to me, I'll muck around hopefully I logged out as sin
Nope was sub
lone junco
It was like 0.0% difference. St
Made me lol
I do need a mythic main hand but the socket was worth a ton offhand.
Mostly because garrote and rupture dmg is purely mh.
solid nova
World of Sockets
lone junco
0.3 is pretty close.
lost horizon
370 w/socket is about on par
lone junco
I've been rolling on mother since week 1. Have like 6 370. Non socket. But use the 355 socket for offhand.
Will enjoy getting the mythic one.
Maybe it depends o. where haste is on the weight.
Haste vs agi.
Weights in cleave are funnier. Mh dps 24 pts. Offhand dps 0.8 or something.
lost horizon
my haste is 2.34, agi 2.23
lone junco
Neat.
lost horizon
i think the 30ilvl is a bit of an exaggeration
but 15-20 is still really high value for a socket
lone junco
For me It was a tiny gain for the mythic non socket.
But I didn't check mastery or crit socket in cleave.
dark lantern
Really stupid question guys: Shadowmeld>Stealth in PVE. Does it still work or are there issues with it?
I got a friend thinking about rolling a rogue asking about it and I wanna check before I say anything, I feel as if I've heard a variety of things about taking ages to drop combat, getting Subterfuge buff but not SS buff (or maybe vice versa), so I figured I'd ask the people who actually know lol
spice surge
It does not work in raid combats
You get the SS bonus, but not stealth (so not subterfuge)
In m+ you can drop combat if you run away a little bit
dark lantern
Ahh kk that's what I thought it was, ty 😄
lost horizon
In M+ you only get stealth on trash as well
pliant nest
hey for mythrax mythic, do you ever delay vendetta?
rigid sonnet
shadowmeld can be used for 1 stealth ability if u use it really fucking fast
like shadowstrike if u macro it to meld and press it twice real quick
velvet kernel
can someone link
the gif
of the shadow step?
anyone?
!gif
!ss
!ghuun
!help
welp im out
dark lantern
What shadow step gif?
velvet kernel
on mythic ghuun
spice surge
clever niche
That is a thing of beauty
stable oxide
Does cloak of shadows work on the fear of ghuun?
where you have to look away?
can you precloak that?
quasi pewter
yes
strange python
is it x y or z > yes 🤔
finite acorn
start of boralus clearing with rogue i got annoyed coz i thought u can cloak the giant fear but u cant
feelsbadman
first times in boralus i mean *
brave locust
for m+: 385 archive or 370 ss (would be my 2nd ss)?
hushed maple
I ply with 3x SS....
Do you guys use Darkmoondeck Fathoms?
I feel like, it never proccs for me
stable pine
Where can you get a 385 shoulders with SS?
spice surge
Not from zul
hushed maple
ah no not zul
spice surge
Only weekly
brave gyro
Motherlode had my back today
from a +14
Meanwhile MOTHER is yet to drop me a dagger. i lost count how many kills / bonus rolls i spent xD
spice surge
get one from zul instead then, hes way nicer
brave gyro
smart
restive echo
whens best to use galecallers?
so at the same time as toxic blade or on pull or the pin is pretty vague
brave gyro
its 1 min CD, vendetta is 2 min CD
use it twice
opener (with SS trait): g. r. g. Ven(+gale) . TB. Env
nova basalt
Should I be using shrouded suffocation az trait on my gear over dagger in the back? I know the obvious answer is that DitB sims better but I'm hearing SS is better to have rather than not have at all (which is my case)
fresh ginkgo
ditb is inflated because the sims accounts that youre 100% behind the target 100% the time
SS is nice but not 100% required for raid
i mean i play SS over ditb but thats because i like playing with SS lol
stable pine
Honestly I literally can’t play without SS it makes the spec that much smoother and I’m just willing to sacrifice that little dps difference for the smoothness.
alpine rain
Anyone got advice for Mythic Vectis?
civic palm
Don't get hit my waves, don't be greedy.
alpine rain
My raid lead was getting upset today since my dps was really low on adds 😃
adds live for like 10 - 15(max) secs
doesnt even feel worth it to drop a rupture on em
civic palm
If the add doesn't get the second immuno off what does it matter?
alpine rain
Wish someone could explain that to him 😃
alpine rain
thing is we have x3 Destro 1x DH x1War that add legit melts in 7 seconds when people dont mess around
and theen he still complains about add dmg
ATM im just dumping envenoms into it
civic palm
Just make it known that SIN is a single-target spec that relies on DoTs lasting a LONG TIME to get value out of them.
dark crag
I got benched because of that, rl didn't understand
alpine rain
TBH im praying to get benched atm
cba progressing on Vectis 2 weeks before new raid tier
lost sentinel
new raid tier isn't for a while
dark crag
New raid comes in January
fresh ginkgo
yea like somewhere in jan
dark crag
Got 6/8 and am near quitting, i almost don't care about ce from uldir
royal lantern
idk, this raidtier is shity
almost all fights are boring and the 2nd half is pretty much´´1warrior, 1dh, bench every other melee´´
yes, the mythrax nerf changed that, but it came slightly too late imo
alpine rain
That and it being mostly individual responsibility encounters
1 person messes up gg try again
dark crag
Mythrax is ok after nerf but ghuun is just pain
royal lantern
lets be honest, mythic raiding should punish mistakes from people
royal lantern
maybe not instant wipes cus somone fucked 1 thing up, but 2mistakes=wipe is ok
just roll afflock, you will always be top anyway 
dark crag
Orb mechanic looked cool on paper
My guild was just a slap in the face, kill ghuun kill the guild gg
royal lantern
meh, almost got ghuun today
dark crag
Ups
Put in 4 wls, bench core raiders, run orbs in teams
The log was the best, p3 starts both extra warlocks were long dead every try
royal lantern
the ghuun nerf next reset is huge anyway
strange python
i mean you still want 4 locks
royal lantern
member when blizz said that afflock will not rule forever 
dark crag
3 warris 2 dhs no solo orb runs
normal spear
what's the key to parse more on heroic zul as sin?
strange python
padding?
spice surge
Have your raid let you kill the adds alone
normal spear
nah, doesn't work. i'm in a pug raid, just curious how to get not that garbage logs
fresh ginkgo
not happening as sin
alpine rain
Most rogue logs are pretty much inflated
dark crag
I got 99% logs from first weeks hc as sub
My first hc mythrax kill was 100% itemlvl parse
lost mist
dark crag
Sim with array
outer spoke
for mythic + whats a good inbetween % for haste?
leaden garden
Is it really no thought behind using toxic blade any longer? Just use it on cd, and not before envenom?
sturdy python
Pretty much what its always been yeah
strange python
I don't know if it's just to wording I'm confused by. You want to use TB < envenom < build CP < envenom.
strange python
Ya. The wording made it sounds like envenom < toxic blade.
ripe bear
Is CT better than poison bomb?
normal spear
for what?
ripe bear
Aren't both AoE/
normal spear
the answer is most likely no. in m+ CT is better only if your tank pulls big and adds don't die quickly
normal spear
both good, sim it
ripe bear
Ok.
halcyon patio
anyone that can give me good advice on how to be better please pm me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/26860980#
civic palm
Overvalue and Misuse
lethal heart
pretty much ye
fresh ginkgo
i dont get enough energy
lethal heart
i'd say
fresh ginkgo
yea
lethal heart
but idk
still
dont think its as good as people think it is
there is only 2 cases where i could see it being good
and 1 of them is kind of you maybe wanna go sub for that dungeon anyway
civic palm
You need way more targets for it to be worth it unless you use it very well.
eg. if you have eight targets it's extremely hard to fuck it up
lethal heart
freehold/motherloed in general should be CT dungeons
but freehold this week i dont think its CT dungeon
becuase bolstering is a thing
fresh ginkgo
my group doesnt do mass pulls
civic palm
Yeah.
civic palm
- the gain to bosses >_>
lethal heart
and you do kind of budget bolstering management
any pull that you have 1 big mob and some smaller mobs
you dont wanna use CT this week
its just pure pad
that brings nothing
you look good on meters, nothing else
civic palm
Could even bring some wipes > _>
lethal heart
and then when you pull 3-4 targets idk
i dont really feel like pressing CT there
i really wanna say psn bomb is way to go, unless you go deep into fortified which isnt really case
because meta is kind of push high on tyranical
civic palm
I'd say it's the way to go unless you have a group that you know can pull the numbers you need for it to clearly win.
Same reasons for going SUB.
shadow pivot
yeah thats pretty much ct's issue
if your group does big pull
you're switching spec anyways
strange python
why>
shadow pivot
on big pull outlaw is just crazy
On ~6 target sub is just crazy
ct sin rogue doesn't outshine them in any of these scenarios
why playing ct sin rogue
subtle tundra
i've never pulled that much lmao
and i also dont do many keys
usually just the 1 weekly pug
pliant nest
well if youre only doing your weekly +10 it doesnt really matter what you play
strange python
Yeah and with sub ure just packing in dps to 1 mob
pliant nest
sub will be a lot weaker in 8.1 if the nerfs go through
strange python
And sin is perfectly fine on 6 targets
strange python
Well I've played m+ as sub maybe 3 times so can't really say
Always felt like my dps is lacking just because pug tanks pull 3-4 mobs max
spice surge
6 targets, but yes
pliant nest
yea sub can be really effective in high keys if your team plays around it well
but otherwise it isnt great
finite acorn
what are the benefits with TB and exsg ? just wondering coz both are simming equally on ST so i can just use both or do i look something specific so ik which to take 😄
supple hearth
Tb is easier to play with.
If u know how to play with exsg and prefer it then go for it
finite acorn
ok cool thanks
celest mirage
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hazy pebble
spice surge
No
strange python
does assin heve any cleave
out side there dots
FoK
fan of knives
ok
crimson blade
yeah but u never use that in raids
mythic plus talent'
i tink
poison bom too rng
PB is rng
yteah
lose more dmg use thet
You use PB in raids yes
not for mythic plus
You only take CT for m+ if you're doing big pulls
6+ mobs I'd say
ok
most tank pull small
sim both talents ?
No you dont really sim CT vs PB
ok
did shiege earl but my dmg was not thet great
honest
poision bom
peck petty big there
dead bit qeuk tank always move out poison boms
pliant nest
in my experience CT will pretty much always result in more overall dps in m+, even if your tank doesnt do super huge pulls
so i only get PB if my group really needs more boss damage
lone junco
@celest mirage just remove the entire energy tracker. It is right there on your player frame.
crude bay
Overall dmg doesnt always mean that you contribute with effective dmg to make run quicker tho
If you have a comp that does solid aoe without you running ct, id run pb. Remember that when you run ct over pb the dmg difference isnt purely PB vs CT
crude bay
Its PB + the gcd you would spend on CT vs CT damage
strange python
the difference on the time to kill the boss at 3-4 min fight
is around 1.5-2,5 seconds
crude bay
Those gcd can be used on dmg that benefits the grp more than padding aoe will
sturdy python
Its not "padding" that implies its meaningless
crude bay
Like some dungeons ofcourse ct is big, but i keep that in mind when i decide
sturdy python
CT is definitely better if you have large pulls though
strange python
also whats padding in m+
crude bay
Depending on grp comp yes
strange python
mobs gotta die no
sturdy python
Group comp doesnt matter either, if CT causes you to do more damage over a whole dungeon than PB why would you take PB
marble hemlock
its mostly in reference to bolstering this week, where a few envenoms instead of CT might make the pack die quicker overall
sturdy python
UNLESS a boss is worrisome and you need to kill it faster
crude bay
But if you doing more aoe, makes the other dps do less aoe, but theyd do the amount you did if you did less anyways (if you get me)
marble hemlock
the thing is, assa doesnt really have any significant priority damage to make big mobs die faster. 20-25k envenom crits arent really the big difference maker
crude bay
Remember tawney
marble hemlock
for a week like this with bolstering, it certainly makes more sense to pick PB in a few more dungeons tho, id definitely agree with that
crude bay
Its not purely pb vs ct damage you look at
sturdy python
Obviously
But no the argument isnt let others do more aoe and I dont
What Seli said makes much more sense
marble hemlock
like, theres no point in arguing in favor of some other classes AoE compared to assa, since assa is just the straightup better aoe spec
no other spec can compare to our sustained AoE, unless its a 25+ mob pull and youre competing with a frostmage or unholy dk, but theres really only one pull like that
crude bay
But you have to choose a talent for it
sturdy python
Basically, you dont want to CT a pack and kill smaller things causing a big mob to bolster when you could envenom said big mob and kill at the same time. Id imagine that scenario isnt going to happen too much to say CT isnt worth
marble hemlock
so does DH
sturdy python
Maybe if the other talent wasnt PB
marble hemlock
90% of DHs are running felbarrage for the big AoE burst
strange python
so does uh
marble hemlock
instead of running trail, which would mean a bit less aoe, but vastly higher ST
strange python
atleast with the woundspec
crude bay
And if they do, why choose ct aswell
rare jackal
i wish PB would get scarpped entirely, its such a boring talent
marble hemlock
because you dont bring an assa rogue for prio damage
rare jackal
i dont get why we only have aoe talents in the 100 row
marble hemlock
you bring it for the sustained AoE. so saying "lets have an assa in the grp, but please dont go your sustained aoe talent despite it being useful, so our dh/mage can do the aoe" is just.... weird
sturdy python
This is very simple, if CT causes stuff to die faster why would you not pick it
marble hemlock
what even is effective damage though?
rare jackal
@sturdy python cause damage distribution with bolstering is very important
sturdy python
We already went over that, and that still should be accounted for in "if CT causes stuff to die faster"
marble hemlock
when youre talking PB vs CT, it literally comes down to a marginal dps increase on singletarget, which favors PB, and slightly higher priority damage on trashpulls, compared to CTs higher overall sustained AoE
sturdy python
If one mob becomes bolstered because of CT of course its not killig stuff faster
marble hemlock
well, if youre bolstering mobs too fast before dropping the higher-hp ones
id blame the burst aoe, not the sustained aoe
and picking an rng-aoe talent doesnt exactly help, does it?
sturdy python
Which tends to be the case yeah
marble hemlock
you could proc 3 bombs early and kill the smallies quickly
sturdy python
And picking CT lets you control that distro, yes
marble hemlock
or, if its a pack where CT might be a bit bothersome, you spec it, but just dont use it and drop a few envenoms onto the high-health mobs first
make sure to subter-garrote the high health mobs aswell, maybe even just do 2 garrotes instead of 3, so you dont insta-kill a low-hp mob
crude bay
I agree with both of you, what i was saying was to remember that even though CT looks good on overall, you gotta remember that the difference when deciding between the two, isnt only pb vs ct dmg
marble hemlock
well yeah
crude bay
Its pb + gcds you spend on ct
marble hemlock
CT comes at an opportunity cost
crude bay
So people have to keep that in mind
marble hemlock
so its pbdamage+some envenomdamage+some poison damage vs CT damage
rare jackal
i wouldnt overthink it, especially in m+ where so many soft factors are at play
marble hemlock
if youre just straightup comparing pb vs ct, then yeah, youre not seeing the whole picture, definitely agree with that
crude bay
So look at your comp, what they bring, and then decide
For big fortified keys id def run ct, big tyran keys, even with big pulls, def pb
As you play around burst aoe for trash, not sustained
marble hemlock
you usually do bigger pulls on tyra than you do on fort tho
strange python
plus
crude bay
Yeah, but you burst it
strange python
what
marble hemlock
"burst" still means the pack lasts ~40sec
sturdy python
If a large pack lives through one CT its going to out value PB
rare jackal
for fortified week best build is to not push keys at all lel
marble hemlock
you dont burst a proper pack in an 18+ in a few seconds
crude bay
And id rather have pb for bosses and the rng of 3 bombs, over the 5 seconds ct can give
Personally
marble hemlock
the plan for fortified is to get underrot or temple keys from weekly chest
crude bay
Im not an expert at rogue, really the opposite, im just stating my opinions on it
Started rogue in bfa, never touched it before
marble hemlock
CT has pretty big value even on packs that dont live as long, as you drop the CT as your 4th GCD and you immediately get the instant-damage
sturdy python
Youre stating them as fact as usual though 😛
rare jackal
🤔
crude bay
Am i though
Then i’m sorry for it coming off that way, just joining in on discussions really
rare jackal
you arent, dont worry fam
crude bay
And what i’ve been saying i got from ashine, and is his opinion aswell, so must be some truth to it
Atleast i learn a lot of my rogue stuff from him, since he my officer and all
marble hemlock
yeah, i know that ashine has been talking about it a fair bit recently
keep in mind hes running a very specific comp tho
with asmon running fel barrage every dungeon, and a frost/fire mage
crude bay
Exactly, why i mentioned that you gotta think of comp
nimble tartan
this is why i run hidden blades
crude bay
Ask the question «do we need» this ct dmg, or will we do proper aoe without, then pb can be worth
XD
marble hemlock
obviously you will always consider the comp. but its not as one-sided either, you could also just play around the rogue sustained aoe to carry aoe
nimble tartan
there was a time where that was insane in pvp
marble hemlock
works well for us
rare jackal
god im so hyped for the 8.1 traits
nimble tartan
like a few months ago
crude bay
And for some affixes and dungeons playing around assa sustain is probably the best aswell
rare jackal
i hope echoing blades is gonna turn out well, i got two 385 pieces with it
marble hemlock
it basically comes down to whether you can sustained dots properly while also maintiang CT on basically every trashpull
nimble tartan
there is new fan trait 😮
rare jackal
@nimble tartan yes! with 8.1
marble hemlock
if youre struggling with maintaing CT on a couple of pulls, play PB instead
which usually means that you play PB in KR/ToS, potentially Siege
crude bay
I just see people saying «but my CT dmg is so huge overall» and «PB dmg is just 2%»
marble hemlock
i just want more crit
quaint flare
that new fan trait looks dope
crude bay
Then i remind them that theyre looking at it wrong
crude bay
Sin is the spec i’ve played the least, what levels of crit you want for that?
And then you run double dose x 3 or?
marble hemlock
keep 6CP from previous pack
worldly ledge
@marble hemlock u can drop but not recommended, only if u have huge amoubt of crit and mastery
marble hemlock
open with 6CP CT that gets the 50% NS bonus to the initial damage and DoT
build ruptures while that one runs, once the first CT runs out, you can refresh
and repeat
marble hemlock
majorly enjoying double scent right now
beating boomy with incarn+bloodlust or meta+bl DHs on AoE feels good 😃
sustained AoE btw
worldly ledge
Sounds good what u write and it can work ofc, but does it worth for?
marble hemlock
hard to say how itll affect singletarget DPS
nightstalker+exsang historically has been pretty good tho
sturdy python
Seli is one of the best Sin rogues, its probably worth considering
crude bay
Im enjoying outlaw and rolling 5 buffs into fortified triple pack with lust in freehold ❤️
spice surge
Nightstalker isnt very far off
crude bay
Ended pull at 70k
marble hemlock
NS already doesnt sim too far behind right now
and the only reason subter is still very strong, is because of SS
fast nacelle
spice surge
Its like 1-2% behind
marble hemlock
i can see us dropping SS entirely at some point
and once we get rid of subterfuge, we no longer have to play vigor either
since, at least for m+, the main reason to play vigor is for the max-energy increase
all of that is obviously with a focus on optimizing AoE damage, not singletarget
marble hemlock
but since we're the new kings of sustained AoE, i feel like its worth focusing on that, and then just bringing a boss-killer to complement it
finite acorn
where i can see the new traits coming in 8.1 ?
crude bay
But we can have 6 traits in 8.1 yeah?
spice surge
Google wowhead 8.1 compehensive
marble hemlock
similar to how people set up dps-comps in legion, where you brought boomy for sustained aoe, rogue/wl for singletarget, monk for overall
finite acorn
thanks eleem
rare jackal
master assassin and hidden blades?
marble hemlock
well, the problem with traits like SS or echoing blades, is that they just deal a set amount of damage
worldly ledge
@marble hemlock what u wrote is logical, and smart. U made me curious
marble hemlock
so they dont scale that well with increases to primary/secondary stats
spice surge
From what i've heard from mystler, that damage seem to be pretty overtuned atm
But yeah i agree
rare jackal
i find the added versa scaling interesting on traits with the upcoming patch
spice surge
Its just a tooltip change, it already scales
sturdy python
Its just a tooltip correction i believe
rare jackal
oh really?
marble hemlock
im pretty sure thats just a tooltip correction though, since the bonus-damage that SS provides already scales with other multipliers
rare jackal
mhh
marble hemlock
thats why a single +450garrote damage trait actually increases the tickdamage by ~1-1.2k instead
rare jackal
reading wow patch notes is really frustrating at times
civic palm
What patch notes? :3
marble hemlock
blizzard really needs to rework the tooltip system in general
most of them are incredibly inaccurate or outright misleading
SS is a prime example, when you read the tooltip, you think "oh, its gonna add 500damage to my 18k/18sec damage ability"
when its actually a per-tick increase, that then gets multiplied with other modifiers like subterfuge, versa/mastery etc.
nimble tartan
how does echoing blades work it confuses me when it says for each of the first 5 critical strikes
marble hemlock
up to 5 targets that you crit will trigger an additional mini-fok
that deals the stated damage
rare jackal
per fok cast
marble hemlock
to all targets in a 8y radius around each individual crit-target
finite acorn
that sounds complex but insane lul
marble hemlock
so its sort of like a chain-reaction, on every fok
civic palm
Might be good at the end of the expansion 👍
nimble tartan
tfw u run hidden blades and triple fok to parse on an aoe fight and then u fok on full stacks and only crit 1 time B)
spice surge
The extra blades doesnt get the benefit from hidden blades i assume
Since they're seperate damage
worldly ledge
Infexious made a youtube video about the new traits if u want to see them
civic palm
Nope.
spice surge
Well yes, but the current fok trait also does that
marble hemlock
its similar to how the current fan of blades trait works. the added damage gets further multiplied by the hidden blades bonus
sturdy python
Does Hidden Blades multiplier work for the trait damage too?
marble hemlock
but as i mentioned earlier, those "added damage" traits start losing value once we deal more damage through stats
sturdy python
Oh gotcha
marble hemlock
theyre great when you get them and youre ilvl 380 or smth
once you hit ~400 after a week or two of raiding
theyre not as impactful anymore
sturdy python
You think SS will fall off cause it doesnt scale as well as others?
marble hemlock
since a larger part of your dps is made up of abilities that do scale with your stats
hard to say exactly how many stats actually apply to SS right now
im gonna assuma its versa and mastery
and crit/haste obviously play a role too
the only stat its not scaled by is AP
the new FoK trait most likely only scales with crit/versa tho
sturdy python
Right so what trait would outscale them?
finite acorn
im gona be sad if SS trait becomes bad coz i like the smoothness it provides
sturdy python
Scent only gives agility which wouldnt be as good as secondaries later right?
civic palm
SS will be removed before it's bad.
marble hemlock
the question is really whether higher ilvl azerite traits keep up with the stat-inflation thats happening
civic palm
Correct.
marble hemlock
so if our damage increases by, say, 30% due to higher stats
civic palm
How are they going to manage scaling.
marble hemlock
does the new mythic ilvl SS also provide 30% more damage than the current one?
sturdy python
Ok I see what youre saying
marble hemlock
or is it gonna be 40 or 50%? then its better than it is now. if its only like 15 or 20%, then its worse
civic palm
Do note that if SS is already overweighted it could take a scaling hit and still compete.
marble hemlock
stats usually get exponentially better over the course of an expansion
sturdy python
Right because they multiply
marble hemlock
so if they scale the traits in a linear fashion, like its currently the case, the raw-damage ones will be less and less beneficial
yeah, they all increase each others value basically
so we start with like
2.x statscaling right now
but i wouldnt be s urprised if by the end of BfA, we will be looking at 7.x or 8.x statweight scales for singletarget again
sturdy python
I guess what Im wondering is what are the "raw-damage" ones
marble hemlock
well
any trait that adds a set amount of damage to an ability
or that just procs a set amount of damage
spice surge
If wowheads ilvl scaling of traits is correct its not a linear increase per ilvl on traits
marble hemlock
like rezans fury, thunderous blast
or as for the adding-damage ones, fan of blades, shrouded suffocation
sturdy python
But fan and SS are scaled by secondaries I thought
sturdy python
Aaah ok
marble hemlock
usually all of them get affected by versa and crit
and in the case of SS, im fairly sure (but not 100%) that mastery applies as well
spice surge
It does
marble hemlock
but they still only make up a part of your damage
the garrote-part, for example
whereas a trait like scent of blood, or swirling sands, which increase your stats in general, usually apply to all or almost all of your damage
and thats the balancing conundrum blizzard has to face
keeping up with stat-inflation over the tiers, balancing both raw-damage traits and stat-traits to be somewhat even in value, and then potentially rebalance the entire thing again with the next tier
sturdy python
Good explainin yall, stats and scaling always confuses me
spice surge
Added to the fact that some speccs actually dont have very good stat scaling
sturdy python
Not much different than what DK had with Frost vs UH issues years ago
marble hemlock
yup eleem
spice surge
Outlaw for example just likes raw damage bonuses because their stats are shit
civic palm
Some classes have bad primary scaling.
marble hemlock
assa scales incredibly well right now
so we're looking to be very strong going into 8.1
sturdy python
Outlaw scaling is horrible
marble hemlock
and being able to pick ss+scent for m+, or dd/ttk for singletarget, seems to be very good
spice surge
Yeah all stats above agi already is pretty ecksdee
marble hemlock
currently it looks like we will go for 1ss, 2eb, 3scent for m+
if you have access to that combination
spice surge
The raid trait that gives agi when above 50% is pretty fat too though
civic palm
How much AGI is it though?
spice surge
Its like 2.5 targets worth of rupture
civic palm
mmm
spice surge
334 on a 385 piece
civic palm
That is pretty fat for raids.
rare jackal
just dont lose hp 4head
dense blaze
I'm seeing a lot of people that are using SS opening with Garrote>mutilate>rupture>Vedetta - does it do more damage than garrote>rupture>garrote?
marble hemlock
are they running exsang or TB?
dense blaze
TB
marble hemlock
dense blaze
But my question is more along the lines of why I'm seeing multiple people doing it
Even saw a korean guy open with garrote>envenom>garrote>rupture
marble hemlock
because people dont play perfectly all the time, or dont have all the knowledge all the time
civic palm
or we're wrong, could be either.
marble hemlock
or that, yes
dense blaze
I think the way I'm doing it is fine
marble hemlock
although im pretty sure the openers in the guide have been checked against the other potential options, and thus the current recommendations there do provide the highest DPS
dense blaze
Which is that pic there
civic palm
If we still had Agonizing Poison I could see G > ENV making more sense.
marble hemlock
first one got parried?
neat idol
No sir
smoky tulip
I get parried a lot on my position on Fetid, feelsbad
finite acorn
i have one thing im wondering about exsg usage should i refresh rupture and garrote even they might be few sec before pandemic or delay abit ?
wild mural
I think the rule of thumb is if they have 60% of max duration remaining it’s ok
finite acorn
ok nice
ive been refreshing them before pandemic rather then exsg just wanted to make sure its the correct order
wild mural
Well try to plan ahead, don’t need your pandemic to be perfect when you’re refreshing pre exsang
finite acorn
true
obtuse ruin
anybody want to look at my fetid logs and tell me what I did wrong... ._.
wild mural
You played melee
finite acorn
ouch
obtuse ruin
my parse is only 64% 😦
obtuse ruin
oh uuuh it was heroic...
wild mural
Oh
obtuse ruin
just wanted to know if something wrong with my rotation and what not
warm zinc
What nameplates do you guys use
grizzled yarrow
Threat plates
round wadi
Do u guys run a 340 ss head for m+? Or just archivie?
vast forum
Archive at higher ilvl is better
strong sundial
My third 345 ss head sims higher than 375 archive
vast forum
What kind of sim?
smoky tulip
Anyone know how 8.1 affects rogues? I have some dudes in my guild saying we're dead come 8.1?
I'm looking at the changes via Wowhead and they don't look too bad. Seems like they normalized some abilities?
smoky tulip
rofl
patent topaz
