That video?
#assassination
wheat zealot
silent scaffold
ss bug is gone yeah
marsh bloom
yes
feral basin
!m+
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quartz spear
Can someone explain why this opener is best? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8aPt_qLt08&feature=youtu.be&t=775
garrote > rupture > garrote > mut > rupture?
median tiger
question
is the trait that give u random secondary stat pretty good?
the inner ring one
that almost like the proc of the dice trinket?
plain thistle
@quartz spear because you get full duration rupture and garrote for exsanguinate
that opener is for EXS with SS trait
quartz spear
@plain thistle why not garrote > mut > rupture > exsang?
median tiger
and according to the guide, archive +scent of blood + shrouded suffocation is the best 3 universally?
plain thistle
@quartz spear because you want full duration rupture and garrote before exnsanguinate
quartz spear
hmm I guess I don't understand something then. I figured garrote mut rupture would be full durations
quasi ledge
DoTs can be extended by 30% their original duration
lost horizon
quartz spear
ohhh
quasi ledge
So if you cast Garrote twice, instead of it being an 18 second DoT it'll be 24 seconds
Same applies to Rupture, from 25 seconds to 32
median tiger
oh so its not wasted to spam garrote twince in opener?
dusky tinsel
does honorbound emissary drop any SS trait gear? wondering if its even worth doing
plain thistle
its not
quartz spear
aw that makes sense. for some reason I always only thought of pandemic as 30% drop
i get it now, thanks
plain thistle
and garrote with SS is 3 combo point, not a waste at all
dusky inlet
Shoulders @dusky tinsel
dusky tinsel
oh baby
quasi ledge
Technically, yes. But it's worth it when using Exang to get a max 100% faster bleed
And Subterfuge for an extended Garrote which is buffed
median tiger
ok im cofused now
i got all the good outer trait
SS scent and archive
what is the good trait of the inner ring?
plain thistle
for AoE or single? because scent isnt good for single target
median tiger
elemental whirlwing vs unstable flame?
plain thistle
plain thistle
check hero damage or sim yourself, those minor trait are really close to each other
strange python
Unstable is higher on herodamage
median tiger
elemental whirlwind vs overwhelmng power?
strange python
median tiger
no one ever mention earthlink in guide
weird
to me its pretty good cause it give primary stat
dusky tinsel
I mean, why not just sim your traits?
dusky tinsel
takes zero effort to use raidbots, not to be rude
median tiger
tyeah gonna sim it now
languid ore
Lol
dusky tinsel
@dusky inlet liar! I got the shoulders but no SS. ugh.
vital haven
i got a sharpened blades 385
now raidbots is telling me that its my bis
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
feral basin
Guys been running some sims for mythic + - I always run for AOE as 5-6 bosses for 40seconds
but what difference does the paste data here make to the sim?
the stat weights come back the same order, just different values and wanted to know how that came about
polar forge
so with SS bug fixed who anticipates way more dmg in M+ now?... im killin it with sub in M+ but thinking of trying sin now with SS bug fixed
solid nova
SS Bug has been fixed since the beginning of October.
languid ore
Did they fix it again? I thought it was fixed month ago
polar forge
oh idk, im just reading now ppl saying its fixed. i havent been lurking here only in the sub section
lul thanks tho
dusky tinsel
8.1 sub nerfs gonna be brutal for them in M+ so I"m just staying Sin for now 🤷
dusky tinsel
I started the xpac as sub, but the rotation is so fkn boring outside of AoE that Sin was a welcomed change of pace almost 2 months ago. Haven't looked back 😃
harsh sphinx
for Reorigination Array just whatever sims best for you? or do we generally want haste to be our stat that gets counted
strange python
yes
plain thistle
for single target, yes, generally haste
polar forge
sub was good for start of xpac and still deff good but dont think it will be in 8.1 which is sad
harsh sphinx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/TdQ84nSRDyCaEraRL7DgP basically the legs change my Reorigination Array to Crit instead of haste, stick with haste or maybe i'll experiment with both?
spice surge
If your stats are that close they're gonna change based on what weapon enchant you have the most stacks of regardless
supple compass
is looking at a 7/8 guild too much of a jump from a 4/8
spice surge
🤷 Depends on if you're good. Its not unreasonable though
supple compass
and do you think a 5\8 wouldnt be worth it?
opaque grotto
Is looking at method too much of a jump from a heroic progression guild
signal stream
if you and the guild your applying to feel you are a fit then go for it,just don't blow it when you do @supple compass
spice surge
I mean if you apply, the worst thing that can happen is that they say no. Go for it
steady hollow
possible for sin rogue to solo orb carry at ghuun if ur a dwarf?
strange python
dont think so
sturdy python
Nah there's no way. All you have is shadowstep
lost tree
even as voidelf it isnt possible
languid ore
Uff
sturdy python
Think your shoulders had array
worn ginkgo
They both did, thats why i deleted it
I swap my gear sets around like zul for sub and forgot which shoulders i was using lol..
strange python
So, i hear that galecaller's is only really good for exsang build is that true?
no
and if you guys had 3 SS traits for M+ would you guys run esxang
strange python
Okay thank you for the clarification
I mean you always run exsang in M+
That initial energy regen is just too good
ok i have an issue where i cant shadowstep to an imp on the ledge on ghuun
like shadowstep works normally on the imp and other pets but when the imp is on the ledge it wont shadowstep, it says "you cant do that here" or nothing for error message
dark crag
You can't do that here
glacial steppe
quick ice
And you might only get to play on Zul
steady hollow
thanks
valid moss
you guys excited for galecaller refarm in 8.1? 
valid moss
waycrest manor refarm? 😨
halcyon patio
valid moss
👌🏿 🐵
weary lily
in raids should i be running 1arch and 2dd or 1arch 2ss or is it just a case of running sims/boss dependant ?
merry vault
!M+
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weary arrow
Is there a way to sim with hypothetical gear? I received a pvp token that will allow me to boost a dread glad item to 375. And have 3 items that of boosted would increase my DPS and/or provide optimal stats. I’d like to pretend I have each of those 3 pieces and sim to see which upgrade provides the highest DPS result.
spice surge
spice surge
Gear compare
weary arrow
Thanks
turbid galleon
With exsang and galecallers, should you hold exsang for galecallers cd?
harsh sphinx
on the 2nd exsang no, 3rd with vanish/vendetta yes
turbid galleon
got it, thank you
is there an easy ability to macro the trinket to? or just bind it separately
actually it'll be better to bind it since there might be movement, nevermind
harsh sphinx
ya, i wouldn't bind it to vendetta if thats what you mean, fked me before
spice surge
Its in the pins
carmine pulsar
Outside of the opener with exsanguinate, is it on cd like toxic blade, or is there prep for it?
harsh sphinx
"How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2.25" in the pin
warm zinc
In practice is it better to use Exsanguinate even if it sims like 20 dps lower?
Over toxic blade
strange python
W/e you feel better with in that situation
languid ore
So outlaw is gonna do better in 8.1 I think. All the data leads to it. @gusty kestrel you might wanna start gearing for it.
flat musk
Can you pandemic exsanguinated bleeds or do ya wait for them to fall off?
primal gazelle
imagine they had parses for raidbots
like you sim at 95% parse compared to other rogues
dusky inlet
Lmao no
pastel vault
The DATA, the VOLUMES, the FIGURES,
strange python
Are there any ptr sims?
tough whale
@flat musk Let them fall off
adding a bleed onto an exang'd bleed overwrites the exang
signal grotto
is there any reason to have more than 1 shrouded suffocation?
is it still BiS trait after first 1?
signal grotto
alrighty, so yeah keep stackin. wasnt sure if it was still good after 1
feral basin
I ran 2 SS and rupture trait till i got my 3rd
signal grotto
ive got 2 SS and 1 archive rn
feral basin
I've not come across this and don't know if it's still a thing but is there a BiS list for specs like legion?
signal grotto
not sure, but i was thinking same thing since all pieces have the same traits all the time.
TFs happen. but with m+ i still doubt
feral basin
Just want something where I can say "this ring from x dungeon" add to list and then farm till i get it
candid phoenix
Has any1 tried Blindside on Ghuun mythic fellas?
spice surge
Blindside is awful, dont take it
candid phoenix
i know its awful
spice surge
If you have any double dose its not worth using outside of the proc
candid phoenix
but Ghuum mythic is hte only fight where blindside could produce better dps
spice surge
Its not worth using it over mutilate if you have any double dose traits, even under 35%
spice surge
It does less damage than the other two during execute
opaque grotto
Stop feelycrafting BOI
spice surge
Ok well, assuming you have double doses
candid phoenix
guys
i just asked a simple question
lel
i didnt ask for a wall of text of things i alrdy know 😄
raidbots cant sim execute phase
opaque grotto
Yes it CAN GOOD SIR
candid phoenix
so i cant effectively sim blindside
how? i cant find the wya to only sim execute phase
i know that
i havent even clicked it once to see the icon color
radiant sequoia
Hey guys question for ya, is Double Dose any good?
candid phoenix
lol dafuq... i merely asked if some1 did Ghuun with the talent
radiant sequoia
I see that it sims the highest but its not recommended on any guide here?
candid phoenix
holy molly
elfin valley
What do you guys typically run during raid for AZ? RN i have 2 DD 1 Archive and it feels rly week compared to SS with subterfuge. I have simmed it and DD says it does better but doesnt feel like it/reflect on numbers. Opinions maybe i should be doing something different with my opener? If you guys dont use either of those what do you use?
fluid drift
2 DD is pretty much bis for any single target fight
radiant sequoia
Is it better to run 2x SS 1x archive or 2x DD 1x archive?
is DD better to run than SS?
radiant sequoia
would you run 1 SS 1 DD 1 archive ?
elder prairie
I've been considering it myself, I got a DD today so im testing it out
radiant sequoia
I've got 3x DD 😛 2x SS in my bags
I'm just not sure what to do
the two extra combo points from SS seems pretty clutch
elder prairie
Yeah thats why I cant play without it 😄
cinder sparrow
in pure single target go for x3 dd and gear crit
elder prairie
I love the two extra combopoints.
opaque grotto
@candid phoenix under advanced sim, copy your simc into it and then put: enemy=Fluffy_Pillow
And
Enemy_initial_health_percentage=20
To sim for execute
short wasp
What u guys think? Majority will go Sin or Outlaw?
radiant sequoia
why would anyone switch, Ass is >>>> Sin >>>> Outlaw
dark crag
DH
opaque grotto
Wait until after 1st week of raid and everyone will swap to whatever performs the best
cinder sparrow
sub 😮
elder prairie
Im saying with my Daggers 😄
short wasp
I’m staying ass
elfin valley
If you are running DD do u go Sub or MA?
dark crag
Assa st is too good
radiant sequoia
What do you guys think:
======== 1 ========
1x 390 Swirling Sands
1x 375 Archive(Laser Matrix)
1x 375 Shrouded Suffocation
======== 2 ========
1x 390 Swirling Sands
1x 375 Archive(Laser Matrix)
1x 385 Double Dose
======== 3========
2x 375 Shrouded Suffocation
1x 375 Archive(Laser Matrix)
========4========
1x 375 Double Dose
1x 385 Double Dose
1x 375 Archive(Laser Matrix)
dark crag
Around 2 to 3 min fights only 5roll outlaw could beat you
opaque grotto
What DOES YOUR SIM SAY BUD?
elder prairie
When it comes to Assa it just feels like I can peel off and not lose my entire dps stack.
opaque grotto
Well, that’s because you’re exactly correct!
radiant sequoia
I cant figure out how to sim self w/o changing gear and waiting 2-3 hours while offline :/
opaque grotto
Oh lord
fluid drift
get the simc addon and use topgear on raidbots
dark crag
Get simc addon, paste stuff in gear sim
radiant sequoia
oh in game?
fluid drift
you can choose all the gear in your bags and sim combinations really easily
dark crag
Raidbots
radiant sequoia
oh wow nice thanks guys
elfin valley
So when i use DD it feels so shitty and it severely underperforms compared to other stuff. Yet on sim it does better. Any suggestion maybe i should be doing something different?
dark crag
Yes
radiant sequoia
the rotation might be different but idk
dark crag
I can't read minds yet
radiant sequoia
my guess is that garrote => rupture => garrote => vendetta etc doesnt apply if you run 2x DD
dark crag
I try but all i hear is tetris theme a
elder prairie
Haha. 😄
fluid drift
@elfin valley try to fit all your mutilates within your envenom buff window since it buffs your poison application rate (which helps DD a lot)
dark crag
With double double d you play master assassin
elfin valley
@fluid drift Do you run MA or Sub when using DD? Ive simmed both not a huge difference but leans towards MA. If so what should the opener look like with that
radiant sequoia
yeah what does the opener look like with 2x DD?
dark crag
buoyant coyote
Crimson tempest good for m+ ?
elder prairie
Yes.
buoyant coyote
iv played without it xdxd
buoyant coyote
whats "best" for pushing
elder prairie
Its about the affixes like.
elder prairie
AoE week? CT
buoyant coyote
ty
radiant sequoia
double dose isn't even mentioned in the guide though 😃
theres a section for Master Assassin talented
this maybe No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade ?
dark crag
When you have no ss supterfuge looses value, ma gains it and you play ma/tb
fluid drift
DD doesn't affect your rotation at all so it doesn't need to be mentioned in the guide (other than it's one of the best ST traits). So yeah, you'd follow the MA or sub sections in the guide, depending on which talents you're running (whichever sims higher usually)
@elfin valley MA/sub sim the same for me with DD so I just default to sub so i get extra value from vanish garroting adds. But if you do run MA, just follow the MA talented section of the guide
elfin valley
got it thanks brother. So ive read the guides and what not but what is you guy's rule of thumb when it comes to stat % Like what do you guys like to aim for
echo cargo
Was there some hidden tuning today or something? It's pure feelycrafting but energy regen feels different for me.
scarlet escarp
idk I got mad at my chest and went to sleep.....
fluid drift
tango have you run some sims to get stat weights? usually you want to have haste be your highest stat in raid so that reorig array gives extra haste. then you get crit/mastery based on your stat weights while also maximizing ilvl....so in short you just sim your gear combos lol
elfin valley
i have i was more looking for what other ppl prefer
Cause depending on the cirumstance some like more crit or more mast etc
mint escarp
how is Scented Blood trait for mythic+
dark crag
Its ok
spice surge
One of the better non-SS traits
spice surge
Prob
tacit steppe
SoB gets better the higher keys you do where mobs are living longer
stable pine
How disgusting is 3xSS in M+? Anyone with 3xSS can confirm?
dusky rose
pins say hold gale callers and exang only for third use
but exang and vendeta has 25 sec difference
is it really the most effecient way to do this?
spice surge
Vanish and vendetta needs to be lined up
dusky rose
they are
dusky rose
but i have to hold exang for 25 seconds
spice surge
You dont have to hold exsang at all
You hold galecallers to line it up with vanish, which gets ready at 2.25
strange python
math is hard
chrome umbra
Just pool more energy with DD. Fit in more mutilate during envenom / TB windows
Done done
dusky rose
@spice surge i get what ur saying now, so i end up holding vendetta for 20 seconds to line it up with vanish
is that correct
dusky rose
nice
but on fights like vectis for example they will line up anyways after intermission phase
so in this scenario u still dont line up exang with galecallers?
midnight belfry
you refresh bleeds to max duration for exsang, correct?
spice surge
Yeah, and on vectis in particular its actually better to hold exsang for galecallers, as he goes into intermission after 1.20
So you wont get 3 casts of exsang either way
So you might aswell buff the second one with galecallers
dusky rose
ya that what was confusing me
spice surge
But in general on a ST boss you dont hold
@midnight belfry Refresh rupture if its below 20 seconds, garrote if its in pandemic range
midnight belfry
thanks
nimble tartan
hello my friends on m mythrax can the orbs not target melee at all or is it just more unlikely but can still happen
spice surge
If you dont have any ranged available it will target melee
brisk sedge
does anyone have a link for which azerite traits taht stack?
spice surge
All damage/stats stacks
Nothing else stacks
The damage part of all traits stacks, for example Shrouded Suffocation doesn't grant an extra combo point after the first trait but grants more damage for every stack.
brisk sedge
sp fpr example, Battlefield focus, the 20 stacks stay the same but the 980 dmg doubles if i get an identical trait
ok got it thanks, skipped reading that part i suppose:)
steady hollow
what kind of dps is a sin rogue expected to do around 365 ilvl at Ghuun?
dusky swift
guys, are there any rules how to use Exsanguinate properly?
jovial goblet
anyone know the positioning for jade statue to step to for mythic ghuun
normal spear
@steady hollow check warcraftlogs for such info
marble hemlock
stepping to the statue seems very unreliable, atleast from reports ive been given about that subject
strange python
its buggy af
marble hemlock
step works a bit more like charge nowadays, where you need a "path" to travel despite it being a blink like ability
so rogues are best set up as the first orb runner, not the second one
haughty parrot
is it more worth to use leeching poison this week?
haughty parrot
really? cause this week seems awful for healers
marble hemlock
leeching poison will do very little to help with that
haughty parrot
ah alright. thanks
radiant sequoia
cheatdeath is super clutch
marble hemlock
healers approach grievous weeks a bit differently, usually they wont top you immediately but just get you to ~60-80% health so youre safe~ish
radiant sequoia
let your healer heal
marble hemlock
with grievous they have to top you, so leeching is even less important in grievous surprisingly enough 😛
radiant sequoia
cheat death is super clutch on all kinds of encounters
it gives you a free out when you totally fail a mechanic
zenith delta
Weapon upgrades....currently sitting at ilvl360 with 345 weps. Anyone else seeing weapon drops being almost non existent? 3.5 weeeks w no drops over 340. Rng just hate me?
lone junco
I have like 5 370 weps. But use a 355 socket for offhand.
untold cargo
`Reapply expiring rupture or final TB envenom if TB window is closing
the question i cant find answered anywhere
this seems to happen alot to me
strange python
do you unequip azerite piece giving archive or laser matrix at 10 uldir stacks for +15 ilvl?
no
vital haven
hell you probably dont even do even for 45 i levels
zinc pewter
!wa
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mossy adder
The statue can work
But you need to sprint jump from halfway up the ramp
Then spam SS its somewhat reliable
But to be honest its easier to just run halfway ive found
Cos if you fail, you cause a major delay
jovial goblet
you cant jump from the bottom?
mossy adder
Nope
jovial goblet
bad game
jovial goblet
thanks mane
mossy adder
Its kinda fiddly but i was using it tonight so it is viable for sure
crisp hollow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kXDfv2Hx4Qzt76ZA#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=1 anyone mind taking a look at my taloc pull? other rogue used cloak better and got good uptime during intermission, but im worried my exsang rotation outside of the opener is off a little
frozen karma
quick question for raidbots, not really sin related but if anyone could help me
median tiger
i feel that SS scent and archive is the best 3 outer ring trait
or should i stack 2ss and 1 archive?
strange python
for what
raven mica
Alright guys what's the mythic vectis parse strat
crisp hollow
im at a point where my SS setup (SS+Blightborne+archive) is better for raid
because exsang is better on shorter fights
strange python
@crisp hollow ur vanish is kinda weird https://gyazo.com/9f83e98b85161954e1b4b917180c535f
raven mica
that looks like a fine vanish
strange python
How he can he be at 2cp after a finisher
cobalt gyro
must've somehow missed the envenom
crisp hollow
at that point i shouldve spent the 3 on rupture i think and used the last vendetta second on envenom yeah?
strange python
Not if the rupture is still on exsang
Then you just 2x gar into envenom
or
get 2 cp before vanish
Also your 3rd exsang should be at 97,5 sec
and its at 117
Add died too fast I suppose?
Also you should have delayed everything here https://gyazo.com/0316d50b641fc675d267369a2c8e50c3
For the next exsang
atomic karma
!m+
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How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
crisp hollow
at what point during exsang CD do i know to hold
other CDs
like i dont think delaying super 30+ seconds is ideal but idk it well
median tiger
yeah toxic blade is kinda more straightforward in its usage
arctic crow
What do you guys think dagger in the back vs twist the knife
sim is 100 more for dagger
strange python
@crisp hollow Duration of the fight
arctic crow
but thats like 100% behind target
strange python
You were delaying vendetta with vanish in that fight
And it was safe because u wouldnt get another ven+van
that fight
crisp hollow
ok so treat exsang the same way? got it
strange python
Nono
strange python
First exsang is with vendetta
So is the 4th
Its relevant to this
How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2.25
arctic crow
Why not line up gale and exsang?
median tiger
ok that is just on pull
but during the rotation
i would need to refresh my bleeds before applying exanguinate?
median tiger
ok weird with the 45s
strange python
What do you mean
median tiger
should i double down on bleeds with the internal bleeding talent? or prey on the weak for the extra 10% dmg?
strange python
Doesn't matter
median tiger
oh ok
i figured prey on the weak only work best if u are the first to stun
for maximum time
arctic crow
its a satic time for the dmg buff
crisp hollow
that tier is overall pretty negligible outside of PvP as far as i know
arctic crow
i believe
median tiger
but in raid, u usually stun after many other cc so Diminishing return kick in, wouldnt be as much
arctic crow
static*
crisp hollow
what are you stunning besides mother adds sometimes?
median tiger
for the slience?
crisp hollow
yup
median tiger
hmm so aoe rotation in big pulls is spam fan of knives and crimson tempest?
median tiger
cause there are sometime in M+ u got like 5+ mobs pulls
strange python
And then 1 unbuffed garrote on main target
crisp hollow
spam fan, keep garrotte on CD, spread ruptures, keep CT up
not in that order
just things you do
strange python
No don't spread garrotes after the initial ones
crisp hollow
on big enough pulls you have the energy to spare
strange python
First 3 from stealth
crisp hollow
yeah, they also don't have to be 5CP ruptures if things are dying fast
median tiger
scent + SS+ archive
crisp hollow
you're rupturing for energy generation mostly
as well as the dot of course
but the bigger the pull the more you can spam
median tiger
elaborate planning seem it require timing
crisp hollow
nah consider it a bonus more than something to play around
median tiger
i prefer master poisoner just because it work passively
crisp hollow
unless you're TB
median tiger
TB?
crisp hollow
exsang pretty solid once you get the hang of it, technically its more ideal for M+
median tiger
outlaw in m+ is easy, a bit frustrating with RtB, but blade flurry make it easy to ease into a cleave
crisp hollow
TB only has single target implications, exsang on a target means faster bleed ticks means faster energy gen which can benefit multiple targets
median tiger
yeah that 45s cd though
crisp hollow
@strange python is the lack of CP gain and energy cost why you don't keep applying garrote outside of first 4?
im just in the habit of keeping it on CD personally but thats feelycraft
strange python
Its just not worth
Only on the primary target
Unbuffed garrote is pretty shitty
strange python
Well yeah if u have a pack of like 8 or somethin
median tiger
in ST case
strange python
On single target no
median tiger
like for zul
strange python
For single target you garrote twice after vanish IF you have SS traits
median tiger
i do
crisp hollow
if you have shrouded suffocation and are running subterfuge, you use Vanish to reapply a full duration SS bleed
median tiger
i have SS scent and archive right now
strange python
Yeah so its like
crisp hollow
if you're doing master assassin talent with toxic blade you use vanish on finishers for phat crits
strange python
Mutilate for 2 Combo points > vanish > garrote > envenom > garrote
median tiger
nah im not doing that
strange python
or Mut for 2 combo > vanish > garrote > rupture > garrote
median tiger
so garrote + finisher+ garrote
strange python
yes
median tiger
after that back to regular rotation?
median tiger
so master poisoner is equal to elaborate planning?
lone junco
No.
crisp hollow
ive never seen someone take MP
lone junco
MP is a fairly substantial loss.
crisp hollow
i thought EP was just best in that row for everything
median tiger
weird
lone junco
Ep is best.
median tiger
i did more as outlaw
lone junco
13.7 is really low for 373 ilvl.
median tiger
yeah
median tiger
i think i didnt include it
lone junco
I'm 17k at 369
median tiger
should be in it
strange python
Also dogshit trinkets
median tiger
yeah dont mention that..
young temple
mmmm im a sub rogue thinking of doing assassin, should i do it?
strange python
the fuck is that build
strange python
Oh nvm both are trash single target
raven mica
I think he meant scent
strange python
You have archive
median tiger
nope
lone junco
Top gear and select a bunch of traits and it will tell you.
median tiger
not on shoulder
median tiger
yeah im asking about shoulder trait
crisp hollow
9mil iteration top gear sims takes so long smh what am i paying for
i thought computers were fast these days 🤔
median tiger
i got DD, poisoned wire, another SS, on my other 3 shoulders
i assume fan of blades is garbabe?
garbage
crisp hollow
DD and SS are bis traits what ilvl are the shoulders?
median tiger
all 370 ofc
crisp hollow
wear those
median tiger
but but multi rupture with scent give insane agi?
crisp hollow
not better than SS
pretty much ever
SS in M+ is king, SS also a decent ST trait
scent booty
median tiger
i dont get that tbh
1 is a long buff to agi
another is a bonus dmg to garrote from stealth
crisp hollow
im sure some <@&224906552333697025> nerd can tell you the math behind it
median tiger
yeah i actually genuinely want to know
not being an ass
lol
pun intended i guess
like for example
i think in figth that constantlt have 2 target
scent would be great
like vectis
i mean i guess i can just switch shoulder between fights
crisp hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iZe3wn5cJXVtHFVCVZ4kQT one day i'll break 19k
vocal harbor
how do you wanna use vanish / vendetta on m vectis? probably vanish garrote when an add comes out for the extra dot time
median tiger
why is earthlink considered garbage compare to overwhelming power?
vocal harbor
but do we vendetta the add or vectis?
median tiger
fuck i need better trinket...
vocal harbor
gotcha yeah
median tiger
i can only reach 14k dps
vocal harbor
i have SS traits so i probably wanna use vanish when an add spawns?
crisp hollow
you should be fine to vendetta on pull as usual
vocal harbor
yeah on pull
i mean for second vendetta tho
cuz i hold vanish for second vendetta
strange python
also u dont have to hold vanish
median tiger
assasination is hardddd
vocal harbor
i wrote that backwards
strange python
Add spawns at like 14-15 seconds
strange python
Yeah
Anyone have a moment to look at logs? Point out any glaring issues. I've been over prioritizing pooling and have less casts of mutilate and envenom than others. Having trouble breaking through a plateau atm.
You're not using envenoms in ur TB windows
And that is ur priority
median tiger
9s!!
strange python
Is that the only time I should pool?
Basically
Also you pool to maximize EB windows
Elaborate Planning
So if you are low on energy and EB fell off
You pool for a little to keep EB rolling for longer time
Awesome! That helps a lot. Ty!
median tiger
so
beside dice from freehold. what trinket should i get?
need to know what to farm
median tiger
eww shrine is a shit show
oh and trinket from wb
right that one
thats it?
i hate that raid trinket is shit for assa
median tiger
i just want to not look like shit
weak creek
how tf do u pad on zekvoz
true ingot
Am I wrong in thinking putting the guild's rogues on Fetid's small adds is a bad idea? It certainly feels that way with our current 8 melee setup.
median tiger
i mean i feel good to play a spec whose mastery isnt complete dogshit
*cough outlaw
crude bay
weak creek
outlaw is burst cleave, sub is only as good with big pulls
median tiger
yeah sometime my blade flurry run out
and then i feel like im useless
warrior is god at cleave i think
i love class that can cleave on demand
signal grotto
For Rupture, is it safe to do a lower combo point rupture if its between a low cp rupture or dropping it for 1sec or so
earnest pumice
assa so easy doh :[
shy escarp
can you hit garrote? then you're g2g for M+
I guess there are some other buttons, but mostly garrote
plain cairn
guyz im wondering for this week affix... i got 375 archive or 385 twist the knife for head, for the head i have : 385 blightborne, 375 SoB/Archive and 375 Shrouded. In the chest i got 385 double dose and 375 shrouded
2 shrouded and archive ?
1 Sob ? no archive ? im not sure :x
strange python
Could anyone tell me what the proper opener on M fetid would be? running esxang
merry vault
should i use dooms wake or overcharger even tho it sims higher
arctic crow
Is there a reason to bring sub over sin on M ghuun?
twilit stratus
solo runner i think
radiant sequoia
when running double dose
do you guys use master assassin?
or still subterfuge?
elaborate planning or master poisoner?
lone junco
My sim for ma subt is 0.0% split.
Rip Alacrity.
Over that vr mut reduction.
The e return from 65% -115% haste would be nice.
6e per mut is insulting.
Alac. Might let you play something other than a haste stack.
median tiger
man i need to get another set of gear for outlaw now
dark token
yo guys, so how exactly does this guy do 3k dps more than me on taloc with roughly the same gear
vs this
yikes
tacit steppe
wow id slob on a knob for your main hand
silent silo
Does raidbots stack azerite traits? Curious because i just got my second archive and im simming like 100 dps lower
Ah ok, i was looking at bloodmallet and it showed that the 2nd stack gives more dmg than the one double dose.
Ill have to play around with it i guess
craggy helm
MAy be true if you have literally the exact gear that blood mallet is using for that sim
elfin plaza
This week for our mother Kill I was told to stay on boss in room one while like 17 people ran accross to room 2. Is that a normal thing to leave a couple dps behind for Single target boss push? if so who should be staying in our raid?
Also should I save Vendetta for lust time in last room or should I have used early to get an extra one in on our kill pull even if I wouldnt have it for 3rd room lust time? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BbhPqdjanLNyA2rc#fight=12&type=damage-done
supple hearth
the top dps usually should stay in room 1
steep obsidian
makes more sense to send the people who do burst aoe through first too
novel goblet
!m+
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craggy helm
Any thoughts on what a poor guy is to do who's had bad luck with azerite traits? My guild hasn't killed mythic fetid yet; and, today I got yet another 385 azerite piece....this time with tradewinds and fan of knives...
Just wait for the vendor in 8.1 I guess huh?
civic palm
or larger animals > _>
tacit steppe
i got cloaks worse than the one i have last 3 weeks and two of them were the same xd so i feel that bad luck
dark token
my cache has given me a BIS all 3 specs azerite week 3, and since then ive disenchanted everything
i consider it worth
tacit steppe
the one i have is 390 haste crit with a socket so its omegatroll getting one from cache
the azerite pieces i have gotten are crap for sin, but ace/deadshot for outlul, sometimes i feel like fate is telling me to play a different spec lol
quick ice
Oh god the cloaks. So many god damn cloaks.
fresh coyote
Is the overcharger trinket decent now for raids and m+?
quick ice
Decent not amazing
fresh coyote
Got a 390 socketed, wasn't sure how it performs in an aoe setting
quick ice
Pure aoe haste isnt amazing
fresh coyote
Okay
median tiger
overcharger? the one from taloc?
i got a 365 one
but i think my lightning in a jar one still better
unreal isle
!ss
worldly ledge
@radiant sequoia master poisoner for zul, if the others cant handle the adds, and u dong have mastery gear
brave gyro
Is this God at work? 🦋
dawn coyote
Anyone here happen to have a cast sequence macro for the poisons?
tired of having it use 2 buttons when it can so easily use 1 :p
winter moss
@dawn coyote /castsequence reset=10 /cast Crippling Poison, /cast Deadly Poison
try it
if not working hit me up
dawn coyote
cheers buddy, i'll give that one a go
winter moss
you may set reset conditions as you like combat/target/other value/etc
dawn coyote
I don't think that one works
winter moss
/castsequence reset=combat Crippling Poison, Deadly Poison
dawn coyote
yup, that one works like a charm! thanks man
winter moss
This command will not advance to the next action in the comma-separated list if the previous action was not performed successfully: instead, it will attempt to perform that action until it either succeeds, or the reset condition of the sequence is triggered (in which case the sequence will return to the first action in the list).
keep that in mind
radiant sequoia
Man idk how people parse so high with double dose, I have 2x double dose and it's weak sauce dmg...
weary arrow
Spets are you using master assassin with it?
2x Dd and 1x archive on a fight like m taloc and I’m consistently parsing 99s with MA talented
dawn coyote
im guessing he most likely stuck with subterfuge
i've seen a lot of rogues do that in pugs anyways
grizzled jay
SF and MA are like 20 dps apart lol
weary arrow
I wouldn’t run sub without atleast 1 SS trait
patent topaz
I run subt and exsang with 1 ss and 2 archive. Pretty ok playstyle wise
high siren
some ok tier playz
unkempt karma
1x ss 1x ditb 1x archive and Ive done some pretty sweet runs in HC.
Best so far is zekvoz at 98 parses and I basically Always pug
grizzled jay
Yeah I sim 300 more with envenom trait and MA but that's with 💯 uptime. In reality you get your SS damage in a short window and it s always full. So run SS DD and an Archive.
Doesnt I love the SS exang playstyle so that s a plus. Without king's bane TB is more boring.
small island
anyone using dead eye spyglass? i got a 380 in the chest and i dno if i should use it over harlans? for m+
unkempt karma
For me the exang build is way more fun, I can plan differently and have better burst windows. When all good in time for BL and personal BL from troll racial, the damage output flies.
Toxic gas its perks, but I do better with exang on majority of the flights if not all.
echo cargo
@small island I don't think you'd use it over Harlans but it still sims well.
small island
@echo cargo ok, it sims 30 higher than fathoms for me lul
grizzled jay
@unkempt karma harlan is better but sim it. Harlan and your shiny 380 spyglass should be nice for m+.
@small island
small island
isnt galecaller mandatory for m+?
grizzled jay
Wrong @
Definitely not
Itsgood but there are other combinations
Also when you exang with crit buff up
It feels orgasmic
small island
i see
i got a 385 + socket on use vers trinket that i use in raids aswell, perhaps the on use and spyglass would be a good combo
rustic forum
hey guys a new rogue player here, 352 ilvl and I have a question to ask, I have a 355 head with archive, a 385 shoulder with SS, and a 370 chest with Poisoned Wire and a 355 Chest as well with SS. with simming it said the 370 chest beats the 355 one I simmed it with multiple talent options too for exsang,tb and it chose tb. while a friend said I should run exsang no matter what and use the 355 SS chest instead of the 370. any idea or tips?
velvet kernel
friend is an idiot
xD
go with the sim
but for m+ use SS/exsang
@rustic forum
zinc zephyr
i suppose i used up all my gathered luck on this one
rustic forum
Alright, Thanks for your input, its just he said since i have 2 SS traits i should run CT and Exsang in m+ and in uldir I should run Exsang and Poision Bomb so I got very confused
velvet kernel
@zinc zephyr waste of luck tbh 😄
zinc zephyr
i like it for m+
velvet kernel
eh i guess
small island
and for zul 😃
zinc zephyr
cloak
floral frost
clec
small island
klok
zinc zephyr
after i opened 380 galecallers 2 weeks ago i can't really ask for anything else from the game 😄
velvet kernel
yes you can
rustic forum
SO @velvet kernel for m+ i go 2x SS with Exsang and CT and in raids I listen to simc right? which says 370 Poisioned wire trait with TB and Poisioned bomb talents
velvet kernel
395 gcb with a socket
zinc zephyr
and leech
grizzled jay
Poisonb bomb better for raid yes
velvet kernel
you can sim both @rustic forum but yeah generally i would use that
unkempt karma
@grizzled jay I use Harlan already :)
But I do not have a spyglass, just a 390 kt cannonball and 385 lustrous plumage
grizzled jay
Fuck cannomball
velvet kernel
plumage is quite good use that
unkempt karma
Yeah using plumage and 370 Harlans atm
But weekly chest just gave a regular 380 cloak, my 370 with socket will probably sim better...
grizzled jay
For sure
zinc zephyr
is spyglass' crit global crit on my character or is it only against the debuffed mob?
grizzled jay
Global
zinc zephyr
my guildie said the latter, didnt believe him
small island
u have to hit the debuffed target to get stacks tho i think
zinc zephyr
yea i know that
worn flume
Question. Anyone who is doing G'huun mythic progress (or has killed it). Anyone having troubles with shadowstepping to a monk statue for the gauntlet? It keeps saying "I cant use that here"
zinc zephyr
thanks
velvet kernel
maybe its placed badly?
worn flume
Druids could wild charge to it where it was placed
velvet kernel
which side is it on?
worn flume
I am left side
spice surge
No you cant jump to the statue
Unless you jump of the little ramp and then sstep (only works on the left side)
velvet kernel
^^
south breach
Can anyone explain to me, why 1x Dagger in the Back + 1x Archive of the Titans + 1x Shrouded Suffocation is simming higher, than 1x Archive of the Titans + 2x Shrouded Suffocation & 2x Archive of the Titans + 1x Shrouded Suffocation ?
worn flume
Can i do it right side? Or does it have the sameproblem?
worn flume
Thanks man, appreciate the answer ❤
zinc zephyr
is grievous better after the hotfix or worse? 😄
healer has more time to top, but if he cant it damages more
quick ice
more damage per tick but ticks 1/2 as often
its 33% less damage if I can math correctly
fast gyro
For healers it should be better
gives us more time to recover which was the main issue with grievous last week
zinc zephyr
i thought it damages every tick but stacks every other tick
quick ice
I may have misunderstood the hotfix note then
fast gyro
every tick used to be 1,5% and would stack after every tick
So tick 1: 1,5 Tick 2: 3% Tick 3: 4,5% Tick 4: 6% Tick 5: 7,5%
fast gyro
But now its Tick 1: 2% Tick 3: 4% Tick 5: 6% Tick 7: 8% Tick 9: 10%
It simply gives more time to recover which is important for grievous
Just bring lots of food to make your healer happy basically
quick ice
so it actually aeraged to the same damage?
fast gyro
It does more damage if you let it stack to full
7,5% vs 10% now
but it takes twice the time to reach the 10% ticks
fast gyro
yeah exactly staz
zinc zephyr
got it
floral frost
1 tick per second?
quick ice
"tick" usually means 2sec iirc?
silk stump
what traits ( Azerite out tier) are you guys stacking in uldir, i see a lot of differents combinations being used and i'm really confused.
zinc zephyr
ppl just wear whatever combination sims the highest in thier bag imo
correct me guys
spice surge
Pretty much
Just use herodamage combined with simming yourself to find out what your best traits are
silk stump
the one i see the most are 2 archive with 1 SS+Sub
spice surge
No way to target them anyway, so what is bis is pretty irrelevant
velvet kernel
@silk stump thats because you can get them 385 from raid
dark crag
Maybe with 8.1 you see more constant combos
spice surge
Prob
silk stump
hmmm makes sense now
glass plank
hey guys, for m+ should i use x2 unstable flames, x2 heed my call or 1 of both ?
glass plank
i dont have ow 😦
velvet kernel
then just heed
glass plank
Double heed right? @velvet kernel ?
velvet kernel
yeah
glass plank
thx mate
velvet kernel
you can also sim it though
radiant ivy
i'm simming +0.3% with galecaller's + 385 construct overcharger over galecaller's + 365 loaded dice. is construct really better?
my guildies say that it doesn't stack high and frequently enough to beat dice
echo night
radiant ivy
one of em is 95% ilvl in almost every log, that's why usually trust him, but now it's his word against raidbots'
and now yours also
spice surge
He probably didnt see the buff to construct which makes it non-awful
radiant ivy
i just tried the dummy and saw 8 stacks like 1 time per minute, was the trinket buffed or something
sturdy python
Yes
It's still not amazing compared to other stuff but definitely not trash like it was
bronze kelp
so im running 2 SS and 1 archive for m+ atm. do I garrotte on cd without subterfudge available? atm its 3 garrottes from stealth and after that i ignore it unless using vanish or i only got 2 mobs left.
drifting elbow
well thats pretty much how u do it on big packs
small regular sized, its good to keep garrotes on after the burst
bronze kelp
is it a dumb idea to compare it with the sample simcraft sequence? cause they garrote a lot on a patchwerk ec 10 sim
drifting elbow
ec 10?
bronze kelp
enemy count
drifting elbow
not that dumb as long u know sim assumes u use cds
sick eagle
Is mastery better than crit for m+ with x3 SS trait?
drifting elbow
mastery and crit is roughly same, crit maybe better
bronze kelp
crit is also better on boss fights afaik
next maple
Hi, wich build (talent & stats) do u use this week in m+?
dusky inlet
Why would you not use it on CD
drifting elbow
u use the usual talent build u do for other weeks
assa has pretty limited one build 🙃
radiant ivy
this week is EP for sure since you focus on each mob while mantaining bleeds on other mobs, the rest is as usual
for the same reason i'd go PB all the way before CT
spice surge
Every week everytime EP, there is no pve scenario where mp does more damage
vast forum
Who said he meant mp? Maybe he plays blindside for execute!
bronze kelp
is blindside better in execute as a multicombopoint generating fok?
subtle tundra
I have only played one talent spec all expansion and tried ct like twice and it just wasnt worth the effort
Anyone else have this experience?
sturdy python
No, CT is awesome in m+
vast forum
Ct is amazing and if you don't play it on fort weeks, you lose a lot
shrewd bane
finally got a good Galecaller's Boo, what's the best way to use it in the rotation with SS ?
royal lantern
why can you get the same azerite piece 3x in a row from your weekly lol
sturdy python
On CD musashi but when it does line up with exsang use it before casting exaang
If you're running exsang anyway
dusky inlet
My least favorite thing about Azerite is trying to get an upgrade with the same trait
nocturne gate
did u safe anything for the adds on vectis or do u just garrote and rupture `?
fleet acorn
Guys, is there any big difference in dps between wrong and right placement of weapon enchants. Like, if I need to put haste on right and crit on left, and I do the opposite , what's the dps loss, if any?
median tiger
no
fleet acorn
Heard that it matters tho)
median tiger
no..
brisk forge
It dosent
solid nova
You could always sim your enchants on each weapon to see for yourself. But no, it doesnt matter.
wary anchor
how many targets neede to fok over mut?
slender sandal
Any tips for fetid mythic
royal lantern
dont do fetid mythic as melee
royal lantern
@median tiger nah, uldir is just a raid with boring fights and a REALLY bad ranged/melee balance
sturdy python
Doesn't matter dawnspike, there's no snapshotting for dots
outer yacht
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solid nova
If not already, you can set them to specific specs.
Although id be surprised if that wasnt default
median tiger
oh i actually dont know how to do that
solid nova
Most premade ones have it already set
median tiger
i feel like assassination
is the new tunnel vision spec
or i guess im just new to the spec
back then sub was sooo tunnel vision for me..
twilit quiver
Is there some kind of known threshold when Exsang starts to sim better than tb ?
I got my second Shrouded Suffocation today and thought Exsang might start to sim better now, but it still sims worse
spice surge
Are you specced into subterfuge?
twilit quiver
Yes
quick ice
That's weird, I would have thought you'd hit the threshold.
twilit quiver
It's just down 40 dps or so, but still weird, thought so too
quick ice
I'm only 30dps less with exsang and 1 SS.
lament dove
exsang only ever simmed higher for me with galecallers
twilit quiver
okay that might explain it, I don't own a galecaller yet
twilit quiver
yes
median tiger
yeah that would be a miracle
finite yacht
spice surge
Use it with vendetta
spice sorrel
they ever fix that bug where your 4th garrote out of sub stops the empowered ticks of the other 3?
spice surge
Yes
spice sorrel
sweet, thanks
late sparrow
on mythic g'huun, would blindside be worth taking at all since the last phase's damage is pretty important?
strange python
wowlogs
late sparrow
I did look and saw that no one was really taking it, but wanted to hear some opinions
unkempt karma
Is it me or does it feel like a socket is worth like 15 item lvls?
solid nova
Sockets are 15~
quasi pewter
It can be worth even more than 15
solid nova
Can be higher
quasi pewter
Depends on the stats and slot on item
dusky inlet
On my ring it was barely noticeable at 10 ilvl increase when simmed
Pants were a different story
unkempt karma
I just got a cloak 380 crit haste, but got a haste mastery socket one at 370.
Pretty sure the latter will sim higher
And my sims scream haste
next maple
can u explain me in wich situation u are playing CT vs PB ? I don't know how to choose. And wich stats with those builds?
subtle tundra
This week is poison bomb since it’s tyrannical and trash dies relatively fast and you need the damage on boss
radiant sequoia
If you had the pieces would you really go 2x DD and archive over 2x SS and archive ?
For uldir
I just can't get the parses on 2x DD no matter what I do
quasi ledge
Pure single target, most probably