assassination

[rocky notch]

There will always be better stuff

[round harbor]

Yeah next expac there will be better gear so why should I buy it now

4head

[dense quest]

yes thats what I am saying your problem isnt because you cant keep EP up 100%

[bleak star]

raw youre missing the point

[rocky notch]

Why get ring enchants

[bleak star]

atleast others arte helping

[rocky notch]

I'll get a better one

[dense quest]

you are playing wrong because you dont know what your dots are doing

[bleak star]

so i will DL the EP addon to help me

[dense quest]

your toxic blades are used on cd

and you dont even buff it with evenoms

[bleak star]

which do you recommend erodrea?

[round harbor]

You ask for help then shoot yourself in the foot.idk what you want from us

[dense quest]

use the weakauras

[bleak star]

i always get 2 envenoms with my TB

[dense quest]

track your dots

[bleak star]

sometimes 3 if i get crits

[dense quest]

you need to learn the logic of vanish garroting in ST

[bleak star]

yes and i understand that now

[dense quest]

you deffinately dont need to vanish GGG on the same target

[bleak star]

that was key problem

[dense quest]

then clip it before it drops

[bleak star]

and i understand how EP works with that and why SS is so strong now

[round harbor]

Why not use weakauras

[dense quest]

lieks clean ui

[bleak star]

i will use them now

[hollow stone]

Ss aint even that strong on st

[bleak star]

well i have 2x DD

and ive seen 2x SS out dps it ST

DD is RNG

[dense quest]

what

[lilac lily]

wut

[hollow stone]

Lol..

[bleak star]

it has chance to proc

[somber moon]

Depends on fight times boyos

[hollow stone]

Dd > ss on st

Unless its like a 30 sec fight

[lilac lily]

Try to keep Envenom buff up everytime you Mut

[dense quest]

ss is only good for multi target and if you can abuse the garrotes spread during those times

[fresh ginkgo]

got my first galecaller a few days ago. Such an awesome trinket

[bleak star]

well i got 39 DD for 81 Muts

[fresh ginkgo]

love playing with galecaller

[bleak star]

so it was 50%

which is nice

so i seem okayish with DD

[hollow stone]

I feel like you are lacking a ton of info so here you go:
Download simcraft addon
Sim yourself on raidbots.com
Look up bis traits on bloodmallet and herodamage

Knowledge is power. Go forth and educate yourself

You will see why dd > ss for st

[dense quest]

instead of looking at the procs why dont you look at the actually damage DD does

[bleak star]

@hollow stone im not a new player just new to rogue

like i said MP only sims a tiny bit more than EP for me

but i know EP does more damage, specially in AOE

yes and DD does plenty of damage but u need to proc it via envenom

[round harbor]

100dmg is a significant amount in a sim

[bleak star]

so i seem to be okaying proccing DD

100 damage is not at all

simming for 16k and losing 100 damage over 1 talent is nothing

[round harbor]

Example. Upgrading from heroic shoulders tonmythic shoulders is 200 dps

Half a mythic azerite piece is pretty big

In terms of raw dps

[lilac lily]

2x DD usually does 6.5~7.5% of my damage

[bleak star]

but youre missing the point MP is passive EP is skilled DPS... gear is passive upgrade

[round harbor]

I'm not missing the point I understand

[bleak star]

so 100 dps lost using MP is actually dps gained if you dont know how to use EP

[dense quest]

give me a sec ill show you

[round harbor]

Your just wrong imo

[bleak star]

no youre wrong

[round harbor]

Trying to minmax then not doing the best is a waste of time

[quasi pewter]

🤔

[dense quest]

you guys are confusing him

[quasi pewter]

what makes you think that not optimizing EP is a >100 dps loss?

[hollow stone]

Wait. A higher sim means higher dmg?

[bleak star]

yes so using MP sims 100 less dps than EP but EP only sims so high because its 100% efficient EP playstyle

[round harbor]

It's not confusing. Don't ever take MP outside of arena

[lilac lily]

If you'd lose more than 100 dps using EP, then sure, MP would be better for you

[bleak star]

MP doesnt need playstyle its passive added damage

[dense quest]

thats assuming you are doing your sim dps

[lilac lily]

But dont you just learn to use EP? lol

[bleak star]

thats my point aluren which is why im here

[hardy veldt]

Hurricane I don’t get it. Didn’t you ask for advice on your parse.. and how you’re fighting every single person trying to help you?

What’s your end goal

[dense quest]

Kormaz is you no?

[hollow stone]

I cant even tell if hes trolling or not at this point

[bleak star]

no im not fighting anyone

i dont agree with raw thats it

[hardy veldt]

I’m nearly positive he has to be

[bleak star]

erodrea helped me

[round harbor]

I'm trying to help you

[bleak star]

read above and look at your comments they dont add anything

[round harbor]

You won't listen

[bleak star]

how u trying to help raw?

how can u not understand that MP is better if you dont play EP correct?

[strange python]

Well, in his defence. If you are bad and cant play, picking passive abilities that require 0 effort to output its dps will always be the better choice.

[round harbor]

By telling you mp is bad and not to take. To buy fathoms

[bleak star]

exactly krem

[round harbor]

Those are valid tips

[bleak star]

which is why im getting help learning to use EP better

but raws like herpa aderp buy fathoms

fathoms wont help me be a better player raw

[strange python]

Well, fahtoms will increase your dps without you doing shit. So why not?

It will help you output the maximum DPS you can, as a "shitty" player.

[bleak star]

because then im still a shitty player

[strange python]

And you're less of a burden to the rest.

[dense quest]

honestly whats so hard about dling an addon that helps you keep track of it

what I am saying is even if you do that

[round harbor]

U do whatever you want. I'm trying to help if you want to improve dps and listen to top parsers then idk

[quasi pewter]

and its kind of frustrating trying to help someone who just wont listen

[dense quest]

you wont improve much because your core mechanics are bad

[bleak star]

howcome i do more dps with MP then saryero?

[hardy veldt]

So let’s just ignore the troll here. Anyone know what optimal ep uptime is? Looked through a few guides and I can’t find much of anything concrete. I’m considering just lurking on some top parses

[dense quest]

because its a fluke and you dont need to think about it

[vagrant tapir]

^

[strange python]

@hardy veldt I think that around 70% should be okay

[hardy veldt]

60-70 percent is about what my logs show - which seems low af

[bleak star]

well im getting 60% EP uotime

[strange python]

You cant put a number at random like that, alot of factors matter on your uptime of EP.

What your assignment is, what happens in the fight etc etc etc

[hardy veldt]

Yeah agreed

[strange python]

Considering its patchwerk

[hardy veldt]

Just didn’t know if that range was reasonable

[round harbor]

Fetid you'll have higher ep if on mutated

[hardy veldt]

Or if it should be 80% for example

[round harbor]

Just a fight by fight basis

[hardy veldt]

60-70 seems decent, depending on fight. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t super far off

[strange python]

Seems like an reasonable average of uptime.

[round harbor]

^

also gear dependant

[hardy veldt]

I wonder if it’s actually a dps loss to miss a global to pool energy and wait for ep uptime. I’ll check out what raidbots says later

[round harbor]

ultra high crit haste but lower ilvl will result in slightly higher uptime

but dropping crit/haste for agi will become slightly lower

if i have trhe energy i hold envm till .1

keep a longer EP train going

[quasi pewter]

im just looking at my hc logs from yesterday and i had between 75-85% on all fights , so thats propably around what you should aim for

[fresh ginkgo]

CAn you get a SS helm from those 370 caches?

[round harbor]

i tihnk only place is from m0 shrine

[hardy veldt]

Gotcha. I’d be interested to see how that sims though. For example I always would pool leading up to tb. Even if it meant holding tb for a second. Apparently that’s a dps loss, and tb on cd always is the best play

[round harbor]

or weekly cache

[fresh ginkgo]

yea that whats i thought

damn

[strange python]

I think that there is a cache

[round harbor]

maybe pvp cache?

[strange python]

With ss helm

[round harbor]

lemme look 1 sec

[strange python]

I had around 75% uptime yesterday on the HC clear, without even paying attention to EP. So 60-70 seems reasonable to atleast have.

[fresh ginkgo]

basically only the shoulders you can get from the 370 cache

[rich olive]

How are you guys using your cds on M Ghuun? Delaying 3rd vendetta for last phase or using it on 2nd phase 2nd blast. From a DPS pov using it on 2nd blast makes 100% sense.

[fresh ginkgo]

that was OP

has*

[hollow stone]

Just aim for 100% ep uptime; you wont get it but if you aim for that youll get as good as you can w your gear

[hardy veldt]

I’m about to make the transition over to exang I think. I sin within 100 dps with both.. however with a 385 gcb.. it might work out better

[strange python]

Fair enough Apple.

Ok

There is no SS helm from cache

The WQ ones

[round harbor]

yeah same i looked

[fresh ginkgo]

yea thats what i thought

sucks

[round harbor]

only cowl

think im just gonna go 2 SS 1 scent for m+

345 helm with ss feels so garbage

[fresh ginkgo]

good thing i rolled for the wb last week

lol

[hardy veldt]

Yeah I’d imagine

[fresh ginkgo]

360 feels weak but its ok

[round harbor]

whereas i can wear 385/375/385 if i go 1 scent

[fresh ginkgo]

nice

yea im probably never going to get cowl ever

from chest lol

[strange python]

300 DPS loss going Sang. 😦

[pliant nest]

hey can anyone explain why some rogues socket/enchant mastery?

[strange python]

For Zul most likely

[fresh ginkgo]

Sang was only better for me once i got galecaller @strange python

until then TB was better

[strange python]

I kept Mastery enchants untill Zul was dead, couldnt be arsed to re-enchant over and over

[quasi pewter]

pretty sure mastery is best stat for aoe aswell at some points

[hollow stone]

Crit is traditionally better than mast for aoe in bfa but it is definitely possible that that is the case too

[quasi pewter]

and even for st mastery can pull ahead depending on gear

https://gyazo.com/40676c8c5ec71b9198aafbf65e409585

pretty close for me even actually

and i have mastery weapon enchant aswell

if i would go crit instead i would socket & enchant mastery aswell

[hollow stone]

Yup. I gem n chant crit even tho it results in like 40 less dps for st

Because im cheap n lazy

Better for m+

[round harbor]

@fresh ginkgo cowl is litterally the only piece of gear from m+ cache that would be an upgrade

i cant get anything else unless its mega titanforge or socketed

[hollow stone]

Must be nice

[fresh ginkgo]

we must pray to rngjesus

[round harbor]

i got amanthuls last expac

like 3rd week

so my rng is probly used up for the next 5 years

[hollow stone]

Did it hurt?

[round harbor]

it hurt cause it was on my enhance shaman

where golgs was better

REEEE

[hollow stone]

I meant when they jammed all those horseshoes up your butthole

[round harbor]

no

thats my kink

[hollow stone]

Well done, sit

Sir*

Took it like a champ

[quasi ledge]

He can't sit I imagine

[hollow stone]

Lol, standing desk at home for "my posture"

[fresh ginkgo]

i got amanthuls on my alt

first run through heroic

lol

[hollow cloud]

disgusting tbh

😡

[lone junco]

rip offhand dps in aoe.

[strange python]

I’m being asked to potentially switch to sub for zek

But I have 1200 haste

This may end badly

Why

wtf

[quasi pewter]

for zek?

[wheat zealot]

That makes no sense lol

If anything, you should be asked to play outlaw for zek

[sick monolith]

ffs no more instant cast witch broom

[dusty crow]

guys is the only way to get a SS headpiece over 340 from your weekly cache?

[sick monolith]

I can't speak for pvp gear but yes for PVE drops.

[ionic charm]

Hey now, the Vol'dun world boss drops it too 😛

[dusty crow]

basically i can wear 3x DD 385 and not have SS, or i can wear 340,370,370 SS

[lone junco]

need that Archive. cause DD is garbo in M+

[dusty crow]

I dont like paying to reset all the time though

[sick monolith]

What do you do more?

[dusty crow]

raids

i dont actually run 3 DD anyway, one is archive

im finding my transition between m+ and raids very difficult atm. In raids I run dooms wake, TB and MA. It doesnt work for M+ at all

[vagrant tapir]

See so many people running double archive SS on these really high keys

And as for the DD

You should get other pieces for m+

I run 385 Archive, 385 DD 370 DD

And use none of them for m+

Only the archive on really high keys

[proper zealot]

Not running Subterfuge with at least one Shrouded Suffocation power in Mythic+ is going to leave you feeling awful.

Try to avoid that, if you can.

[kindred cedar]

I see most people run 2x Archive and 1x SS on ghuun mythic, is is worth to do that or is 3x archieve better?

[proper zealot]

Sim yourself. People seem to forget that a lot of people are running the best Azerite armor that they have access to.

So, by extension of that, a lot of people are running 385 raid pieces, because they're much easier to get ahold of.

[dusty crow]

I only have one 385 chest though and it's spymasters (DD) 😦

[kindred cedar]

simmed highest with 3x archive but just felt wierd people with ghuun kills dont have access to 3x traits of archive

[dusty crow]

dropping down to 370 chest is such a massive stat loss

[vagrant tapir]

Yeah ofc

Im specifically referring to people who I know have 2/3 SS, 1/2 SoB, multiple archives

Speed,Selia, muscle

people like that

They all seemed to have moved to 1ss 2archive

[opaque grotto]

Maybe it’s because they don’t need power up front, they need power later in the pull

Since archive takes over a minute and a half to fully stack

[round harbor]

I mean if your even half way decent achrive is up 100% of a dungeon

[kindred cedar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qnRmvNTCXJxeP4FZ9ZN8aw

what the fuck, my "top gear" is at second place

[opaque grotto]

Wait I thought we were talking about raids

[kindred cedar]

im talking about raids ye

[round harbor]

I'm talking about laxx

[dusty crow]

and for m+, should I switch from Dooms wake to GCB? if so, do I go TB/exsang?

[round harbor]

Dooms wake is good

Mastery static with primary stack on use

Macro it to vendetta and vanish and gg

[dusty crow]

I know how it works, I use it for raiding. I just tend to hold it toomuch in M+

[round harbor]

Use vanish as an air cooldown

[dusty crow]

whereas GCB is easy to just pop on CD

[round harbor]

Aor

Aor

Fuck

Aoe

Don't hold it then

In most cases if a dungeon is 40 minutes long you should aim for as close to 20 uses of vendetta/vanish as possible

Unless there is a mega scary pack or boss coming up that you absolutely need it for

[dusty crow]

just use on CD on anything that will live for duration

[round harbor]

Ye

Even stuff that wont

5 mob pull for example?

Triple garrote then vanish and garrote the other 2

Aslong as they live for 18 seconds

[light python]

I have 360 galecallers and 370 dooms wake but obviously can't use both on uses at the same time to sync with exsanguinate, do i swap out the dooms wake for fathoms?

[round harbor]

Raid or m+

Either way I'd sim

[light python]

Will be for raid, but yeah thats what i assumed would be the answer :p ty anyway

[round harbor]

Feelycrafting is there are gonna be exactly the same or gcb higher

By a tiny margin

[light python]

yeah that was my assumption as well, i'll probably just go with galecallers and fathoms and feel it out

ty

[glacial steppe]

dude, literally every week our tanks are ruining taloc

turned him 2 times into the raid during my opener

so he parried 2 muts

[opaque grotto]

My tank doesn’t move the blobs during the elevator

So

He’s scared to run out of room for some reason

[desert vault]

How does that work with two on use trinkets? Just have to wait a GCD in between each?

Guess I've never ran two use trinkets at the same time

[spiral snow]

2x ss 1 archive / 2x archive 1 ss for Uldir Mythic I wonder

:-? all about deciding if I want upfront bigger burst or more agil later on

[proper zealot]

@desert vault Using one puts the other on CD for...20 seconds, I believe? You don't want to run two on-use trinkets.

[desert vault]

Huh, good to know! Guess no need to farm Doom/Lion thing as badly as I wanted since my GCB is 395 and not likely to be replaced anytime soon

[lone junco]

@desert vault normally first use triggers short cd on second, but there are some use that you can literally macro together. GCB and Berserker Juju is a pair.

[desert vault]

I wonder if you could get Doom and GCB to cheese together, would be sick

[lone junco]

it is a wq trinket, with low ilvl, but the day it pops ilvl to a respectable level, Say a random trinket vendor etc.

I got a WF one that was like 0.5% behind fathoms, which was pretty impressive.

[desert vault]

I got a 355 Plunderbeard's flask I thought would be strong, but not so much

has + haste bonus and then increase primary stat i think

[lone junco]

some of that stuff depends on time duration of fight. a 2min use that lasts 10 sec agi, is really nice for a 20sec burst vuln window, but represents badly in 5min sims.

[warm geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rUnVXHqkVdyqN1iHWLEdaR
or
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8qPHwMuGSH8hUih9tb1E9Q

for m+ set up?

the doubt is most about the trinket

[lone junco]

haste is garbage in an aoe sim

but. since you have 1t 4t 6t in the same zone/gear gcb is a good choice

[fringe scroll]

Hello my fellow rogues out there. Shouldnt 2x Shrouded suffocation give us instant 4 combo points? Trying 2x SS for the first time now, but gives me only 3 combo points. Something I am missing?

[lone junco]

I love that GCB gives you speed while standing in the buff

[warm geode]

@fringe scroll doesnt stack the combo point part

[lone junco]

@fringe scroll you get 3cp per subterfuge garrote

[warm geode]

blizz say will improve tooltips for 8.1, lets see, cuz hope i dont have

[lone junco]

I like GCB cause you can sacrifice a lot of haste for crit/mastery, yet still have a good pop of haste for prio st

[warm geode]

thinking dat to noobe

[lone junco]

but, I did do a 1t20 sim to try and balance my ghuun burst window. and haste is dead last. Mastery king

[vale helm]

Instead of tossing a log in here one time and having someone look through it I'd love it if someone could tell me what to look for in my own logs :p Kinda wanna see how to improve but don't wanna bother people with a mountain of logs :p

[lone junco]

its all silly.

@vale helm Mystler wrote a section in the wowhead guide

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-get-good-how-to-improve

[vale helm]

Thanks alot 😃

[warm geode]

@vale helm could look into some rogue kills PoV videos with TrufiGCD to know why they r doing X thing

[lone junco]

I didnt expect haste to dump off the bottom during exang. but mastery is top by far.

[sharp star]

Anyone playing SS with toxic blade? Based on sim apl it looks like you wait for vanish before casting second vendetta.

[final dust]

Why would u be playing tb with SS using Eaang just better

[lone junco]

I had a sim result with Subterfuge TB and SS>

[final dust]

Rly?

[lone junco]

i didnt play that, but if you do its not that crazy

[final dust]

How many SS?

[lone junco]

1

[final dust]

What were other traits?

[lone junco]

for me it was archive knife ss.

no fucking way Im playing that stupid shit

[final dust]

Yea

[warm geode]

sockets r to strong, omfg, give me more @_@

[final dust]

That’s annoying

[lone junco]

so I flipped it around and Archive Thunderblast DD.

at a 0.0% loss

[final dust]

@warm geode why u got mastery gems

[lone junco]

m+

[warm geode]

m+ and zul

[lone junco]

enjoying the Sub tornado?

I tried it in heroic, and the warriors gib my crags

[warm geode]

when the adds on pull get far away is so lame T_T

[lone junco]

so its a fucking waste

[warm geode]

doing tornado with 5cp

on pull

beside dat is kinda fun

playing 30min every week, more then dat is so boring

heroic i just go sin full ST

dont even FoK

me smash , me hit the boss

[lone junco]

thats what ive been doing.

well I ran SS and vanish G G G somewhere in the middle

[warm geode]

@final dust for raid i use this one

[lone junco]

working on ghuun right now. and I need to make the other melee not kill each other with grey balls.

but my beam exang is pretty strong. coming in at 98-99%

[warm geode]

ghum ok, but zul, they just die after 4sec

ghum i do triple garrote on adds, and burst the big add

[lone junco]

our best is 2% still.

yeah. same g g g vanish g g exang

[warm geode]

im not in ghum mythic yet

[lone junco]

i can get a gc/exang at beginning on p2. and vendetta vanish gg exang at sunbeam.

[warm geode]

but im doing, g,g,g,vanish,(swap to big add) g,g,r,burst

[rocky notch]

dump your cp

[warm geode]

yeah

[rocky notch]

before

[warm geode]

same @lone junco

[lone junco]

g g g step rupture vendetta vanish gg r GCB Exang.

w/e its irrelevant pad in p1 anyway

[rocky notch]

very relevant

stack mastery

need to pad big

[sterile echo]

@warm geode you missing a second weap enchant? or is it just off the screen

[warm geode]

just screen

using crit/hast

crit on the big one cuz i can replace the hast for mastery for aoe/m+ and can use for outlaw offhand

[lone junco]

im wondering if i should just hammer on cd. instead of the mega spike.

[warm geode]

if is farm, just farm dps

if need dps some time, swap back to help

[lone junco]

its progress for us man.

that heroic life.

[warm geode]

😃

[glad ferry]

noobe I was convinced for the longest time you were a high end raider lmao

[lone junco]

nah. I work too much, and guild is friendzone

[glad ferry]

being an adult sucks

[lone junco]

I normally set good ilvl oranges. but always behind the mythic folks.

so the boss hps are inflated.

thats guun dmg only but trend is there.

@glad ferry I get wife aggro with the amount i play as it is. So it's fine by me.

[glad ferry]

ez fix. get her into it. like mine :)

lmfao

you actually deleted that

[lone junco]

i tend to remove personal stuff over time. I have too many posts here for my own good

[glad ferry]

[glad ferry]

jesus christ

[lone junco]

thats also why I normally block it from my web browser at work.

[desert vault]

You can just cloak on Vectis mythic and get no stacks right? I forget. So used to cloaking at 3s on Fetid, forget what to do on Vectis 😃

[warm geode]

u cant clean vectis stacks, just mitigate the damage receive durant cloak duration, from what i remember

[desert vault]

but I thought if you used cloak when you had vector, i think that's what it is called, you would not get a stack from it i'm pretty sure

didn't clear anything, just prevented getting another

[sterile echo]

you can pop before it spreads and you will avoid getting 1 stack

[warm geode]

i just save for intermission to soak 2+ and dont take the damage

[thorny jasper]

if you cloak as it falls off you dont get a stack

[desert vault]

but have to cloak it again at like sub 3s?

similar to Fetid?

[thorny jasper]

sub 5s

[desert vault]

ok

[thorny jasper]

cloak = 5 seconds

[round harbor]

Cloaking for double stacking is a waste

Cloaking off three stacks of the debuff over the duration of the fight is way more dmg mitigated

[versed ravine]

what you you guys hose for tier 75 talent? for uldir raid?

chose*

[lone junco]

What row is that?

[thorny jasper]

stun/garrote tier

[round harbor]

None make a real impact

[lone junco]

I always use prey.

[hardy veldt]

I use kidney to cheese the damage with energy regen

[warm geode]

the bleed is applyed on bosses?

[lone junco]

Actually. I wouldn't mind mythic difficulty curves. But I will never raid fixed roster. Ever.

[round harbor]

What do you mean fixed roster

Like 20man?

[warm geode]

and waste 5cp to gain a bleed over envenon is really good?@hardy veldt

[round harbor]

Internal bleeding ticks pretty hard

Think it's the hardest hitting dot we have tbh

[azure yoke]

Question: in AOE burst situation, over 3 targets i understand we should be using fan of knives. Should we be applying garrote if we dont have vanish up? also, is there a max rupture worth putting up ?

[vagrant tapir]

yes

[lone junco]

Raid buff from prey is probably worth more than the bleed but I never mated that out.

[azure yoke]

Laxxz is that answer at me? which question are you yes'ing

[vagrant tapir]

Yes

you

[lone junco]

M+ aoe garrote stop at 3 and about 4-5 ruptures.

[vagrant tapir]

3 garrote or targets? :S

[lone junco]

Due to e cap.

G g g.

[vagrant tapir]

wot?

Are you saying stop garroting at 3 targets, or 3 garrotes

[azure yoke]

Noobe what if i dont have vanish to apply the 3 garrotes? then is it worth the global to be putting garrote up

[lone junco]

Welcome back.

[strange python]

Only on primary target Jreal iirc

[vagrant tapir]

No, you dont only garrote your primary target on 3 targets

[strange python]

After the SS garrotes

no?

[lone junco]

It's 3 targets. 3 garrotes In SS.

[strange python]

Thats I mean

If they run out, just garrote primary target

[azure yoke]

guys what im asking though is lets say i dont have stealth or vanish. either raid situation or tank is chain pulling not letting us restealth. then do i use globals on garrote in AOE situation or just spam fan of knives and ruptures

[lone junco]

After the SS. Seli doesn't bother with the 4th. In bulk trash Until they start falling off. FOK crit gen is >>

If tank is chain pulling I yell. A lot.

[strange python]

Tell tank to stop chain pulling

[lone junco]

It's the diff of 8k dps. Vs 30k dps.

[round harbor]

Yup

That's why when I put I play outlaw

Even tanks at like 1300+ don't fucking know how to play with a sin rogue

[azure yoke]

ok, how about vectis, is it worth putting garrote on the add?

[round harbor]

Yes

[strange python]

Ofcs

[lone junco]

I get 36k packs with a proper stealth.

[strange python]

Whenever add spawns on mythic vectis

Its ur priority

[round harbor]

Syke

[fierce haven]

dumb question but we let ss garrote fall off before refreshing right?

[strange python]

Yes

[round harbor]

I dot that bitch then dump envm into vectis

Boss dmg is nice

[strange python]

Yeah well depends on raid damage

[round harbor]

Being able to skip a split phase

[opaque grotto]

Second cast from the add is bad news

Should probably just hit the add

[round harbor]

Eh

Sounds like a not my problem type of thing

YEET

K I D D I N G C H I L L

[hardy veldt]

@warm geode depends on the fight obviously. We won’t be cheap shotting mobs from stealth, because we won’t waste a garrote from vanish global. A full kidney for me in raid buffs ticks for roughly 25k, plus I get the cc, plus regen much more energy than I spend. I find it best - but it doesn’t matter all that much

[round harbor]

And, what are you kidneying that is of any value in raid. Mother adds?

It's a worthless talent row for the most part

[hardy veldt]

Nerubians or whatever they are called

[round harbor]

Unless I'm completely missing something

[hardy veldt]

Casters you interrupt on zek I think

[round harbor]

Those are perma cc and kicked

[azure yoke]

you'd vanish to put up triple garrote on little adds, dont use it on big adds

[hardy veldt]

You do you man. All I was answering is that’s what I run, because I like how it feels on those. Prey is okay. Garrote silence is okay. They all don’t really contribute much.

[azure yoke]

except insane dps, those adds should be permanently CC'ed unless the raid is on them for interrupts

vanish garrote big add on yellow and two little adds imo

[pastel vault]

You should garote big add, boss and one small one but

[azure yoke]

if garrote needs to be refreshed on boss, sure

[pastel vault]

Vanish isn't up at 1 min or 3 min so it doesn't even line up with the ads

[round harbor]

^

[strange python]

So you hold it

[round harbor]

and shouldnt be held

no reason to

the mobs are trivial;

[azure yoke]

if your raid DPS isnt enough to skip third set of adds, IMO dont use vanish on opener... you can Vanish all 3 sets of adds

if you dont use on opener

[pastel vault]

Oh my raid gets 2,yeah

[strange python]

I wonder why #1 parse held vanish for adds

🤔

[round harbor]

if your raid dps isnt enougfh to skip third set of adds, probly dont raid tbh

find better players CX

[strange python]

So did #2 parse

[azure yoke]

show me a guild during actual progress that skipped third set dude jesus

dont raid get out of here

[scenic jetty]

Link #1 parse

[round harbor]

we skipped it like 2 months ago

?

not 2 months, but a long time

[azure yoke]

same here, doesnt mean everyone is

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4cFTnWvmpKyfwdAX#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=65

[pastel vault]

Rank 1 parse is "which raid lead lets you get multiple orbs with battle res" haha.

[round harbor]

^ lmao

rank 1 on an aoe pad fight btw

dmg boost orb btw fight

thats like getting rank 1 ele shaman on zulk

[strange python]

He got 1 orb

[round harbor]

yeah you did alot of dmg but did you really???

[pastel vault]

If you only get 1 orb then you want the last full duration one

[strange python]

Still got 1 orb

[hushed wagon]

What overall dps do you sin rogues usually pull for decently high keys.. 13-16 range?

[strange python]

So holding vanish for adds is viable

[glacial steppe]

gar > mut > rup > ven > mut > tb > vanish > env is the opener for MA right?

[pastel vault]

What's kill time? On phone

[strange python]

5:48

[round harbor]

aka like ran k 1 speed kill

[strange python]

2 vanishes for adds

And last vanish held for orb

2SS traits

[azure yoke]

thats because they didnt get a third set of adds

[round harbor]

ok

so lesson here is

if ytou can kill under 6 minutes go for it

[pastel vault]

Ya saving vanish seems good for kills less than 6:15ish

[round harbor]

otherwise waste of time

[strange python]

prob yea

[round harbor]

there isnt many logs of people killing under 6

like 2-3 that i see

wcl is fucking up atm tho

[strange python]

Off topic but, demo of classic is playable tomorrow?

[round harbor]

128 guilds with faster than 6:15

[lone junco]

what do we think. Subterfuge TB or MA tb at a tiny loss.

the subterfuge tb rotation is a bit limp

[strange python]

I'd take subterfuge

Just because its better when there are multiple targets

[lone junco]

easier to do, and nothing to mess up

[strange python]

Starting Vectis prog tonight, any tips?

[zealous summit]

subterfuge is more versatile

[strange python]

@strange python Soak every circle, dont let add cast 2nd time

noobe ur daggers ? :p

[lone junco]

thats what ive been thinking. Swapped from ss to tb recently.

offhand socket is worth more than a 370

and mh is heroic mother. so thats what i get.

[strange python]

7 ids in row now wpn above 370

[lone junco]

I have a 370 soulrenders fang

but not a gain

[zealous summit]

@strange python no-brainer but I don't know your knowledge, feint every time you soak and you can soak overlapping circles with cloak

[rocky notch]

spam 10s

for 380 daggers

or suffer

[glacial steppe]

every zek voz reclear is a pure fiesta

god i dont even need anything from that boss, why do they keep bringing me in xd

[main monolith]

hi boys one question headmycall x2 u headmycall /unstable flames?

raiding

[opaque grotto]

@lone junco late, but I’d take subt. It’s legit impossible to mess it up and doesn’t rely on rng or anything

[lone junco]

thats what I figured.

[warm geode]

@main monolith
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination
https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=2

[lone junco]

and MA is not something you can plan around.

its not shoulders.

[opaque grotto]

The only way I’ve made MA consistent is with poison wire

[lone junco]

i tried

[opaque grotto]

If you garrote before vanish you can env > mut > env pretty much every time

[lone junco]

but the garrote vanish mut env mut is pretty limp

i hoped that the poison wire were 100% to mut crit.

or 60 or something

its not like it is raw crit to bleeds or fok or env or tb.

and it is only 2x after garrotes.

[opaque grotto]

It’s pretty decent burst with ttk and poison wire but DD is just too powerful

[lone junco]

once i get archive on shoulder, i think ill like 1twist 1dd

[opaque grotto]

Twist has very good synergy with DD

[lone junco]

i loved crit in legion. got to 56%

[opaque grotto]

I imagine next tier when RA is gone you could run 2x DD with a ttk

And have really high uptime on envenom

That is until you get the new trait from the azerite gear in the new raid

And the new version of RA

[lone junco]

based on how things have worked in the past.

[opaque grotto]

Maybe

[lone junco]

cant hurt to sell my shit pieces

[opaque grotto]

Also why did your message get yoinked lol

[lone junco]

I delete stuff a lot.

[opaque grotto]

O I thought you got nazi’d

[lone junco]

i dont like getting a ton of dms. so i started deleting junk a few months back.

say something weird and get 20 in a day, no thx.

[opaque grotto]

Yea I had a really good log week 1 and got a bunch of DMs

[lone junco]

i would not want to be an orange.

[opaque grotto]

Like chill nobody has even killed the bosses yet

[lone junco]

it was cute at first

now that rogue is popular, eww.

[opaque grotto]

Well, now that assa is popular

Sub used to have a lot of people then it got nerfed and assa got flooded with so many people

Idk why rogue is so popular, it doesn’t bring anything extra that other melee don’t

At least in raids

[past harbor]

SS Garrote still bugged?

[tidal sedge]

nope

[wild gyro]

dmg, survability

rogues are very durable

[past harbor]

so you can reapply normal garrote on an emp one?

[wild gyro]

you can't overwrite one taht's rolling

but you can apply a normal garrote to another target and not wipe any existing emp'd on other targets

[past harbor]

oooh

[tidal sedge]

yes you can garrote a 4th target without losing your empowered ones

is the plume wb trinket any good

[strange python]

herodamage.com

[vocal wave]

I know that HC is a meme, but it's more so my dmg vs someone elses.

Hey guys, I'm having an issuie atm. I've just gotten some sweet daggers, and did a HC run with my guild where we pretty much tunneled most bosses. Yet, despite me having better weps nad ilvl, I could never seem to pass them. I dont' know if it's my playstyle, or if it was from stats but could you have a look please?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/62npXFLWzMGcCZb3/62npXFLWzMGcCZb3#fight=38,38&source=32,48&type=damage-done Mythrax

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/62npXFLWzMGcCZb3/62npXFLWzMGcCZb3#fight=5,5&source=32,48&type=damage-done Mother (killed in first room)

My haste is pretty low, but alas I don't want to just chalk it up to that

I must be doing something wrong

[strange python]

Which 1 are u

?

[glacial steppe]

agi potion or bursting blood?

[hot oasis]

385 with Unstable catalyst or 370 with second shrouded suffocation for m+?

[strange python]

SS

[vocal wave]

Chaku

So I'm the left one

[lone junco]

thats weird.

prob not showing properly

[vocal wave]

On Fetid I fucked up

And Zekvoz I died

But you can look at Vectis if you want too, and see there

But it's always the same thing

[lone junco]

this is mother

[vocal wave]

Yeah, I mean, it's the same on all other fights. I'm always a tiny bit behind

[lone junco]

swollex should have beat you by a lot more than that, he didnt use his 2nd vendetta

i wonder if the APL stacks that 2min trinket around the exang or just willy nilly oncd.

how do you have 5 rogues

[vocal wave]

This is HC, and some are alts and socials

Swolex is a pug

This is an optrional HC night

But I'm still feeling that I should be doing much more

[zinc zephyr]

how do you guys sim for m+?

[lone junco]

!zul

i failed already

that is fuu territory

[vocal wave]

@lone junco Do you see anything in particular that's really bad with my gameplay?

[lone junco]

I spent more than a few minutes looking and nothing jumped.

[vocal wave]

I use SS and Exsang 😛

But alright

Thanks

Guess it could be the trinkets, he has Dooms Wake and I only got Harlems and Darkmoon. I'll have to keep trying

[tropic pike]

it's weird how i sim lower with exsang over tb but in game it's better

using 2x ss

[vocal wave]

Yeah

I genuinely feel that too

I do have a Double Dose and a Twist the Knife too

And tried that on Taloc with TB

But I just couldn't make it work as well as 2x SS and Exsang

[lone junco]

sim wise doom's wake is a loss.

but that doesnt mean it is being used well in Apl

stacks for 10sec. then holds for 6

if that is not being overlapped across exang, it is a major loss.

and why the apl only did 1 garrote idk.

not sure why the other /use trinkets didnt get the delay to the 230 alignment.

[past harbor]

hit TB on CD even with no envenom up?

[lone junco]

you dont need env up to hit tb. when tb is up it buffs env.

[past harbor]

say I'm at 0 CP though

TB just off CD

hit TB or hit Mut Mut TB Envenom

[lone junco]

@vocal wave I like this though.

called. Garrote Vanish FUUCK

[vocal wave]

Yeah

I try to keep notes in my mind

About pooling before I vanish

And now and then I do it and just look at my bars like "fuck..."

[lone junco]

ah

here it is

[past harbor]

@lone junco how did you get to that combo points graph

[vocal wave]

Aha, this is energy and combo points?

I'm using Mutilate too much after 4 CP

[lone junco]

never mut on 4

[past harbor]

thx @lone junco

[lone junco]

you can garrote.

but if you dont need to refresh garrote, we env or rupture

[past harbor]

how can you get two guys up on that graph though, can only look at one guy

[plain thistle]

compare

[lone junco]

hes is probably multi rupturing and causing an e cap. which prob isnt horrible.

@vocal wave you will waste a few cps playing SS. but once you get your 4/5 env rupture down, youll catch up

tell your buddy to use his wake about 5-8 sec before exang and it will be even stronger than that

but that is as tight as it gets

you have a bunch of these.

run your sim with that gear, and it should be about = his.

tlrd. most stuff is fine. a few boner mistakes. your 4cp muts are killing you.

[vocal wave]

Right so main recap:

• Overcapping CP,m use on 4+, if I land on 4 never use another Mut.
• Hold on energy for vanish more and don't fuck it up

[past harbor]

when does exsang usually outsim tb?

My sims have TB being the superior choice by around 500 dps

just a curious question

[dusty crow]

meh, 2x DD and dooms is so much easier to play thoug

especially with MA

[past harbor]

@subtle kiln what about 1x SS no GCB? I can have 2xSS but I think my 2x AoT is better bc of the ilvl increase

370 vs 355

I wanna run Exsang 😦

[distant hinge]

what is GCB?

[past harbor]

galecaller's boon

[distant hinge]

ah ya

[past harbor]

@subtle kiln haha I mean I'd rather max out character

[distant hinge]

i knew it looked familiar

[lone junco]

I think my luck getting GC first week made up for never getting an eoc.

Did you find your happiness?

Im split between hpal and dh

Disc would be fun but my priest got benched in 2007 ish.

[signal mason]

Tell that to the ferals T_T

[opaque grotto]

Play warrior wit me

[lone junco]

Warrior. That is a massive change.

[opaque grotto]

I played warrior in WoD

Big fun

[lone junco]

If I wanted to flip I might blood Dk for 5man.

[sleek osprey]

Are they redoing warrior again?

[opaque grotto]

Err.. no? What do you mean redoing

[sleek osprey]

Nvm misread chat.

[civic palm]

_>

[lone junco]

Normal.

I haven't played warrior since early vanilla.

[halcyon sapphire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

Actually had a warrior 2box with my priest.

Healed with my toes.

Was a space bar macro

I 3 boxed in eq.

[fierce umbra]

Do you do anything special with DD build?

[lone junco]

Dd is just mut on env.

So do that

Other way around tbh.

[twilit elk]

Do u use envon and rupture at 4 cp?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[vocal wave]

Man I wish GCB dropped for me. I'd love it.

Alas, I'll have to do with Harlan and Darkmoon

[lost sentinel]

Harlans is cool

Gcb is tight but hate when tanks move the moment you drop it

[lone junco]

Harlan dark moon is a great combo. Don't stress it. And it's better for tb prob.

First week ye circle was TINY

Like 3yd maybe.

G g g Ct. tank pulls. You just chill in the circle filling.

Fokking

Autocorrect doesn't like wow speak.

[rocky notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pUdVmkxQUFg26FsRViNZYj

big strong rogue

thanks

ran 30 freeholds

for big titanforges

[lone junco]

My socket collection is keeping me going.

[distant hinge]

so much bling

[lone junco]

@rocky notch 381 neck? what lvl is that

[rocky notch]

only 29

reroll 8)

[willow mulch]

so my sim is telling me 3 non raid traits (single of) is my best dps output. but wont that make it so i dont have access to reorigination array?

[lone junco]

I'm like neck 26. So I guess that would do it

@willow mulch check your sim for the array stacks. I use "smart" and the /simc addon to capture my gear.

it is very very likely that 1 array is best when in raid.

[willow mulch]

i usually use the program for desktop nightly build

[lone junco]

eww

raidbots is superior for a thousand reasons.

top gear tool does a ton of stuff

[willow mulch]

raidbots uses the nightly build of simulationcraft lol. its all just presets

[lone junco]

you dont need to argue with me

any time in the past year, when people have weird results, it due to desktop version

not worth the daily download. or manually building gear sets

[short relic]

Should I be running agi pots for master assassin setup? Or stick with bursting blood?

[lone junco]

agi wins in all time steps I have compared.

[round harbor]

Wait hold up

You use the simcraft program in 2018?

[lone junco]

zing

it is better for batch runs.

it is better for TC profiles

but I make raidbots work cause I got tired of downloading the patch

[short relic]

Thank you.

[lone junco]

i actually subscribe now, because it a great tool.

but i sim more than i play. so that's what i do for fun i guess.

[unkempt ledge]

would a crit/mastery build be better for AOE?

[lone junco]

yes

[round harbor]

Lmao paying for raidbots in 2018

I Netflix that shit

[lone junco]

im old. I pay for content. and dont even use ad blockers

[round harbor]

Yoink an old guildies password and email and gg ez 5 second sims

[lone junco]

tbh, one of the main reasons i never went back to hpal was raidbots toolsets. FUCK that excel spreadsheet bullshit.

there is no fucking planet where i will update my gear manually in a spreadsheet

[unkempt ledge]

do you guys still run triple SS in M+ ?

[lone junco]

yes

some at the top end use a combination of scent, ss, archve

[winter fog]

how do you guys use vendetta/exsang on multi target pulls? Since I got SoB traits I want to keep CT up, get some low cp ruptures out, but also want to have a full cp rupture+ empowered garrote to exsang on my vendetta target

[lone junco]

because the large packs last a lot longer than garrotes

i hold vendetta for prio ads. exang/gc each pack tho

I tried scent and was tabbing out as many ruptures as i could. CT kinda gets in the way, but it does work.

[winter fog]

but even if you have a prio target you want to get ruptures out

it increases your single target damage with SoB

so I don' t really know what sequencing is correct

[lone junco]

i run prio stuff first. but i guess you could tab out then burn it around the 10-15 sec mark.

[shy escarp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

Right or wrong, this is what i do.
g g (g) (ct) fok fok rupture (r) (vendetta) gc exang fok fok r fok fok r fok fok r fok fok ct.

() being on the prio

ish.

[winter fog]

so yeah, basically get everything up on prio target then quickly get some agi with low ruptures

that's what i've been thinking too

[lone junco]

I do 2 foks. 2cp or 5cp thats what they get.

1g 1r on prio.

when there is only 2 mobs, you can double up garrote and double rupture for the biggest burst.

seli might do it differently though.

apl does g g g r . . with tabbed ruptures and CT at 0:15

but that seems dumb to me.

and apl was never written for short trash packs.

and. if you write ct before rupture, then you would have an aoe CT, that got exanged then would reapply CT before next rupture causing an overwrite of all the trash.

bleh.

[winter fog]

its all kinda shitty

[lone junco]

early on, seli was looking at HB or PB during scent.

cause it is obnoxious to layer ruptures in large pulls and also maintain ct.

but that was at 3x scent.

[stone mesa]

when i exsanguinate do i refresh the dots at the normal time or do i wait til it runs out to refresh?

[lone junco]

let it run all the way out

subterfuge can be refreshed with a vanish, but exang to the end.

[errant mauve]

SS dmg is added to over all dmg or per tick dmg?

[hasty coral]

what are stat priority for m+

running crimson temp

[errant mauve]

crit mastery

[hasty coral]

and do i ct w/ 4 or 5?

[coarse carbon]

Just having switched to TB from Exang (and missing all last xpac, so picking up on a steep learning curve); ideally are we TB'ing on CD in most situations? OR are we pooling (provided we won't drop into refresh windows for rupture) before mut --> TB --> mut/env

[errant mauve]

i do 4+ typically but im not anyone to listen to

[coarse carbon]

at 4+, your TB has a chance to crit wasting a CP. This is my dilema.

[pulsar goblet]

Use on cd

[errant mauve]

i think him meant number of mobs

he

[hasty coral]

Is there a baseline/solid crit/mastery % to aim for

for like 15+ m+

[coarse carbon]

Thanks Kyvh.

[errant mauve]

my crit is 25 and mastery 27 but id like my mastery to be a bit higher but my haste is also at 19% so i think im at a decent place secondary stat wise

but again... im no body

[coarse carbon]

No need to refer to yourself as a nobody man, all input is welcomed i'm sure provided it's backed with logic/experience.

[hasty coral]

the weekly leader rogue has 14% vers

im so confused, lol

[errant mauve]

he could have swapped specs

before logging off

or been in pvp or something

[hasty coral]

nah i pvp

[errant mauve]

most likely he went outlaw though id assume

[hasty coral]

u go haste/mast pvp

ok i can get 25/15/25/4

imma roll w/ it

[north tinsel]

Is there any benefit to holding your last vendetta on fetid for damage phase?

[lone junco]

as was and always will be. when you are in TTD (time to die) less than your last cooldown timing, you get to choose when to use it.

if the boss will die in 1 min. and vendetta is ready, you can use at any time prior to 20s ttd.

[errant mauve]

is SS dmg applied to over all dmg on garrote or is it per tic dmg?

[north tinsel]

@lone junco Okay, Thank you

I just figured any boss with a damage phase can be deceiving for TTD timers

[lone junco]

@north tinsel its hard to know fight timings at first, but if you know fetid will die in 2min or 3 min, you get either 1 or 2 vendetta.

it absolutely is decieving for ttd

lol at the 1:15 kills in heroic

anyway this a vendetta delay sample.

held vanish for the 1min burst, then 3min for the re-alignment.

but that was 3:39

but the general rules apply, if you delay stuff so long that you miss a cast, then it is probably bad.

@errant mauve im pretty sure the tooltip for ss is per tick before buffs. so the trait buffs the entire duration of garrote.

[north tinsel]

@lone junco Interesting, never really thought about it that way. Thanks.

[lone junco]

right. when people say ONCD

they mean, ish. on cd so that you dont miss a cast

delay TB for 3 sec per cast and eventually you miss out on a few hits.

but you can delay vendetta /vanish in fairly large increments.

vunerable multipliers are weird anyway.

so gl

[sullen hedge]

can anyone check these logs for me and tell me what i did wrong? comparing my damage to the people at the top of logs, their envenom and stuff is alot higher than mine

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4dgXLhcbQwVF6T9C#fight=last&type=damage-done

[buoyant ember]

@lone junco in the image above, would it have been a smarter play to save ven and van for the 1 min burst? Or to use both immediately and save them both for 3 min?

Or is it acceptable as is

[lone junco]

that is the a very high ranked mythic parse. so what he did worked. I dont know if there would be much difference between the two options tho

this way probably let him use gc at open and 1min on both ss

idk really

[buoyant ember]

Alright, ty.

[lone junco]

@sullen hedge you ilvl is really low and missing archive. figure i can stop there.

[sullen hedge]

yeah i know but wouldn't our damage done be the smae?

like his envenom is 2nd

[lone junco]

what

[sullen hedge]

well my envenom is 4th and the log im looking at has envenom 2nd

[lone junco]

you talking about this guy

[sullen hedge]

yeah thats me

[lone junco]

you didnt post a compare log. just yours

[sullen hedge]

oh sorry

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/twdFnk8zJM32hGx4#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=50

didnt realize

i do see that i wasnt fan of knivesing

i didnt realize i was supposed to on 2 targets

thought it was 3

[sullen hedge]

yeah i know hes higher ilvl i jsut figured the spell priority list and stuff would be the same

[lone junco]

try using the actual compare tool. It will find a rogue at your ilvl.

[sullen hedge]

alrighty ty

[lone junco]

sec

he is just going to town with fok.

[sullen hedge]

yeah i didn't realize i sohuld be foking on that few mobs

[lone junco]

@sullen hedge you arent supposed to fok on 2. this guy might be doing something unusual.

some of the asian metas are weird.

but logs find bugs and weird shit all the time.

[sullen hedge]

ahh okay

yeah im checking some other logs and theyre not fok, alrighty

[lone junco]

it is weird to see so much fok though.

and you def wont be fokking on 2 with DD traits.

[sullen hedge]

ahhh yeah thats a good point

[sullen pagoda]

i mean they were spawning adds on purpose its so obvious

18 adds total

[molten moon]

worth using TB at 4cb or should you wait to use it on less to avoid overcapping?

[little sandal]

anyone got a good assassin weak aura

[balmy perch]

my dps sucks so much on zekvoz mythic

[stark stag]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[little sandal]

ty

[warm zinc]

With 3 SS i want to use Exsanguinate in m+ correct?

[strange python]

yes

[warm zinc]

Is there an optimal rotation with it, or do i still just start with 3 garrotes on each target

[strange python]

3 garrotes

[warm zinc]

kk gotcha

[strange python]

3 garrotes for 3 different targets ofcs

[warm zinc]

ye

[rancid sedge]

does feint work on quaking + bursting?

[strange python]

dont think so

[rancid sedge]

should be since its aoe no?

[strange python]

Yeah but I dont think it reducts the damage

[rancid sedge]

hmm okay

[mystic marten]

do you let dots run out when you run Exsanguinate

[balmy stump]

best traits for uldir?

[coarse knot]

It does

[wild gyro]

Yes @mystic marten

Only on Exsang’d bleeds obv

[coarse knot]

@balmy stump mmm usually 1 archive and 2 DD is your running TB I believe

[balmy stump]

ty

[proper zealot]

(The best is whatever sims the highest out of the pieces you have access to.)

[undone lodge]

i have 1 AT, 1 DD and 1 SS...said the sims it's the best for me atm

[lost sentinel]

what is the best =

[undone lodge]

how to track ROA?

[proper zealot]

It appears as a buff when you're zoned into Uldir.

It'll show how many stacks you have.

The maximum is currently 9.

[undone lodge]

so outside you can't ?

[proper zealot]

It doesn't work outside of Uldir, so no.

[undone lodge]

it's a permanent buff right?

[proper zealot]

Archive and Laser Matrix are active outside of Uldir, but the Reorigination Array portion is not.

And yes, it's a static buff inside Uldir, of your highest secondary stat.

[undone lodge]

when i've got 5 stacks it will remain when i change gear (which has AT ofc)

[proper zealot]

Not necessarily. If your highest secondary stat changes when you swap pieces (say from Haste to Crit,) Reorigination Array will change what it grants you.

[undone lodge]

ahhhh okayyyyyyy, thanks 🍺

[proper zealot]

Yeah, so static in that you've always got the buff when inside of Uldir, but dynamic in that it changes based on your highest-weighted secondary stat.

[viscid crown]

how many targets do you use crimson tempest on? and is it worth spamming it on high mob counts for the initial damage (8+)

[little burrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[marble hemlock]

@viscid crown depends a bit on your crit-rate, basically once you have rupture on all mobs/have enough ruptures to sustain energy to spam abilities, that is the point where CT is sustainable and should be sustained. this is usually the case at 4+ targets.

as for when its worth to actually spam CT, that depends a bit on your traits. usually you just want to keep up just enough ruptures to sustain energy, which is 4-5 ruptures (you dont garrote on aoe anymore) at which point you can just do a short analysis of how many targets you need to hit with the initial damage of your CT to deal more damage than a full duration rupture would do.
unless you're running scent of blood, at which point the whole thing becomes incredibly more difficult to answer 😄

[distant hinge]

hey does outlaw spec loot choice give you chance and dagger?

at

[sharp mesa]

no

[vagrant tapir]

new traits been simmed at all?

[distant hinge]

err imeeant sub give chancee at sword?

[vagrant tapir]

Also no

[harsh sphinx]

hemo's been gone for awhile RIP

[distant hinge]

so lame

[vagrant tapir]

Press "N"

Look at "preferred weapon"

That is what you can get

[coarse carbon]

Everything i've known to be true about our current azerite traits has led me to believe that AotT is better than LM. However top gear suggests that it's actually 120dps behing LM. Anyone want to help me make sense of this? Appreciate any insight. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4caHm69UoAr7DV5qfTyuFz

Excuse me, 80dps*** behind.

[vagrant tapir]

depends on the piece

because of the t2 traots

youre not just simming archive

youre simming the t2 traits too

And in this case

Youre coming Overwhelming power, to unstable flame

unstable flame is a garbage trait

Overwhelming power is bis

Thats why

1 sec

[coarse carbon]

Fair enough. Thanks for the input!

Ok

[vagrant tapir]

fuck

1 more sec

i ran the sim, but it was with my settings

4 target 40 seconds

[coarse carbon]

Take your time, i've got nowhere to be.

I'm thinking that switching the Jerkin of the Aberrant Chimera to SS would suit me well with my current SS shoulders for m+'s. Then just run my LM chest in raid. Unless i'm missing something.

[rare garden]

i don't think I have enough haste

[coarse carbon]

Until I can get the 370 Uldir shoulders at least that can go AotT/OP

[vagrant tapir]

Gah so triggered, it kept using my sim settings

here

took off your ench sim

but archive is better

Run the sim again with gutripper on the arcive piece

[coarse carbon]

I just did with that thought in mind. Still comes in behind the LM/OP chest

By 43DPS, not that it's a huge margin.