since you have vanish for 2 of the 3 big adds
#assassination
marble hemlock
keen mist
did it
marble hemlock
POG
keen mist
fuk same color as seli
marble hemlock
flesh color
keen mist
should i change
keen mist
jkjk, gn
final stone
sooo question from herodmg tech archives should outbeat a 385 ss piece over a 360 ?
pastel wasp
rawr
final stone
i mean sims say other wise but im just curious looking at traits
bright shale
Can one of you lovely nerds explain to me why rogues are taking the FoK talent for Mythic Mother?
marsh bloom
sim yourself on raidbots
bright shale
Do you just FoK spam and CT spam ? then when they die you ST rotation mother?
in room 2 and 3 ?
strange python
hiddenblades
bright shale
Our guild is doing it in 1 big group
pastel wasp
and just pewpew mother
bright shale
with spirit link/healer cds
marsh bloom
What nameplate addon do you use
or do you just use the standard elvui one?
elvui blizz one
pastel wasp
tidy plates my fav
marsh bloom
cause for explosive
if tehre are allot of targets I'm forced to tab target through lol
does it happen for tidy plates as well
crisp hollow
yeah actually ive been having problems with tab too but ive chalked it up to being used to aff
and mouseovers
do you guys mouseover your shit?
feels like it'd be rough to do so in melee
analog iron
hey everyone, anyone able to take a look @ my logs, I feel like I am improving but still nto parsing the best.
crisp hollow
is SS essential for Fetid? or just highest simming patchwerk set
south basin
SS is essential just in general
crisp hollow
not when your ST setup doesn't include it
winged veldt
anyone have a macro for this week to target the orbs in big pack pulls?
they arent called fel anymore><
not sure of the name
scenic nacelle
Just got a 395 construct overcharger and sims worse than Fathoms. I wanna die
echo cargo
strange python
I was wondering if I could get someone to take a look at a heroic log of mine to see where I can improve? Overall my rankings are ok, but for my ilvl (376) they're usually between 60-80%. Is there something glaringly wrong with what I'm doing or is it a series of small errors?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m6xMZ4a73zNBy1KX#fight=3&view=rankings
desert vault
2x SS and 1 archive for m+
past harbor
i see thank you
proud gust
ty
vernal sequoia
@placid elbow happened to my guildy the other week. Both 385 one with upgrade stat lol.
proven frigate
do you swap to poison bomb for 12-16 Tyrannical keys?
placid elbow
@vernal sequoia it's the dream. Was telling my bro "watch me get a 385 dagger and use a seal and get another dagger"
it happened, super happy lol
formal sable
need 2 daggers to mut
stark stag
strange python
so, anyone know video that shows assassin opener or nah?
mint canyon
thanks
pastel wasp
is there a reason u need a video compared to text
o.O
guide has all the answer
s
strange python
yeah I just like to see it in action
vernal sequoia
man i cant get good trinkets for the life of me
pastel wasp
same
farmed freehold for the dice
dropped once and went to a monk alt
never again
vernal sequoia
got a 365 spyglass and 375 frenetic as my two best sims
even though i have 385 contruct
strange python
@primal gazelle what are you stat weights>
supple compass
with 2 dd, on vectis should i be foking to build when the add is up, or muting the boss or the add
harsh sphinx
i ran freehold 24 times this last week, saw the trinket once, other rogue got it 
vernal sequoia
does anyone use ss/2x scent for aoe boss fights like zul?
im using archive blight and double dose as single all 370 peices, but have 2x 370 scent and 1x 355 ss
primal gazelle
youre talking about heroic i assume?
i dont think scent is worth it on zul bc the add will die quick
pastel wasp
def not worth
ripe scaffold
is 2x ss 1x archive really better for m+ scent of blood seems to give more stats when u get some ruptures rolling
vernal sequoia
maybe zek then?
supple compass
with 2 dd, on vectis should i be foking to build when the add is up, or muting the boss or the add
vernal sequoia
mythic zek is giving my guild trouble
primal gazelle
@strange python https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHNxvSmV4KuPCyD6GYTHNL stat weights
vernal sequoia
fair enough
vernal sequoia
i do
vernal sequoia
because the ranged cant burn them fast enough, so i rupture all the adds and fok spam
garrote when off cd
and envenom when all are bleeding
vernal sequoia
yes, even when dk gripped and slowed in a group
pastel wasp
run CT
and spam that
youll get more damage than rupturing each individually
i think
pretty sure
austere scarab
how many actually spawn?
10?
12?
it's so many that you'd need a crit fok on every cycle to get them all ruptured within 30 secs
and if they're staying up that long
austere scarab
is it just 6? I think it's more than 6 man
brisk frost
mythic zek is just about doing mechanics right
its not healfight like vectis or dps race like fetids
austere scarab
adds not dying quickly enough causes considerable problems in p2 surging darkness, possibly even p1 if they stay up long enough
brisk frost
its just doing mechanics and its very easy boss
but yeah, i personally cant give tips about sin zek, i've killed it as outlaw every time i've killed it
pastel wasp
sin is really zerging boss
and big adds
FOK little adds
unless ur padding and going CT lol
civic palm
or if your raid needs the aoe dmg O _O
brisk frost
well assa rogue isnt answer for that lol
civic palm
Sure as hell isn't the solution > _>
supple compass
does having multiple dd traits change the fok vs mut prio on multitarget
civic palm
strange python
does elaborate planning snapshot rupture? Or do i have to apply rupture during ep uptime
crisp hollow
what should i be simming for M+?
supple compass
does having multiple dd traits change the fok vs mut prio on multitarget
crisp hollow
you don't mut with 3+ targets and i dont think DD impacts that
supple compass
how bout 2, like vectis
pastel wasp
2 = mut
crisp hollow
you dont fok on vectis
pastel wasp
^
coarse knot
Youāll lose dps if you use fok on 2
crisp hollow
unless your guild has nutty healing later in the tier and somehow allows multiple adds for padding
god DAMN
now im sad that'll never happen
crisp hollow
anyway what conditions do i set to sim for M+?
pastel wasp
anyone finding M Mythrax boring?
pastel wasp
i find that fight long and boring
crisp hollow
i requested to be sat for mythrax and ghuun
partially for midterms
partially because fuck those fights
pastel wasp
its like i have 2 wet noodles for daggers
slapping that big thicc d00d
and going no where
crisp hollow
im just not a fan of uldir in general
mostly because parsing involves more padding than i'd like
strange python
when toxic blade is specced, are you supposed to try to fit in as many envenoms as possible in its uptimne?
crisp hollow
yeah, 2 is generally what to shoot for, 3 if your crits are nice
Zek, Mythrax, Ghuun super lame bleedfests, MOTHER relies on my RL showing me mercy, Taloc is easy but the downtime makes me hate him, Vectis is cool, Fetid is cool
Zul rhymes with lul and thats all I have to say about that
crisp hollow
if im not one with the crits the 366 alt outdamages me because he's geared specifically for that fight
and then i have to play Mad World and cry
glass compass
like literally raised the alt for zul ?
crisp hollow
nah had the rogue at 340 cuz he had a lot of time on launch to keep his main and alt close
then when the tier came we knew we'd need sub so he started prioritizing that through M+ and whatnot
mossy hazel
Wee, another night of smashing against Zek
glass compass
im 1 hr away from smashin away at vectis, can only imagine fetid and mythrax are gunna be poopy due to all our melee
crisp hollow
yeah we run no more than 3 melee on Fetid
and rng still sometimes locks us out of adds
glass compass
we dont have the numbers to do that >.< its gonna be painful
gusty yoke
Jesus weāve got 6 melee 
glass compass
def mythrax, that fight is such shit. and i really dont like ghuun
fiery haven
is there a haste break point?
fiery haven
fuckin sitting at 13 haste 36 crit and 26 master
gusty yoke
Its gotten to the point where one of our melee just went āill fucking gear a lock to save us all the sanityā
glass compass
im gettin close to ^ that
but i dont really like playing casters
so ill just pray someone else does
crisp hollow
we have 2 additional locks cuz we didnt trust Blizz to nerf ghuun needing 4 portals
thankfully they did but hey Aff still king so lets keep em
gusty yoke
We started out with 7 melee but our surv hunter quickly changed into bm 
fiery haven
so what are most of you guys running for 1st ring azerite 370+
glass compass
archive
proud prawn
Archive, SS, Double Dose
glass compass
i still have 1 ss, no dbl doses
crisp hollow
SS refuses to sim well lol, from 3 to 6 targets my 370 SS chest is not favored over 360 champion of azeroth and 385 double dose lol im super confused
proud prawn
Actually recently lost DD for a Tidal Surge
gusty yoke
Ive been stuck using 2x archive+SS
crisp hollow
some misc traits are pretty good too, Blightborne is my top ST for shoulders
proud prawn
Think my current setup is: Lazer Matrix, Tidal Surge, Archive
fiery haven
are you guys just taking the highest dps trait in highest gear?
crisp hollow
my other rogue has 3 SS at 385 and im ready to get yelled at for poor add damage on Vectis when he vanishes for quadruple my garrotte damage
glass compass
does he rock exsang with those 3 ss?
glass compass
ahhh, sims were going back and forth at 2
glass compass
oh for real? i havent been keeping with the ptr shit, that shounds dope
crisp hollow
don't get me wrong im super happy with double DD at 385 but there's minimal patchwerk in uldir and i prefer M+ to raiding anyway
gusty yoke
āTargetā they said about 3weeks for a random piece so cant imagine the time to buy the exact item you want
crisp hollow
6 weeks
literally double
but i have faith the raid won't drop the ball on the traits and i'll only need to target one
gusty yoke
Oh did they finaly give out prices?
quick ice
Wowhead has prices
crisp hollow
"Taking the blue post information, completing a +10 for the week should allow you to buy Relinquished Azerite Helm in 2-3 weeks, which means a targeted piece would take around 6 weeks to obtain, considering current ratios."
quick ice
See, there.
gusty yoke
No
coarse knot
Ah okay
gusty yoke
The 6 week is going to be the item you want 3 is random
coarse knot
Was gonna say thatās just ass
true ingot
6 weeks is still a ridiculously long time.
gusty yoke
They never said they were going to speed up getting azerite items
gusty yoke
Just that they were removing the helpness randomness from it
coarse knot
Strive for a long term goal or just go yolo
crisp hollow
6 weeks for RNG would result in me cashing in my WoWtokens and gifting the currency to a guildy who didn't buy BO4
gusty yoke
I take that 6 week if i can get the god damm item i want
crisp hollow
not playing this shit if they wanna fuck the community like that
coarse knot
Plus once you get all the ones you want you can just save up the tokens
gusty yoke
^
coarse knot
And when higher gear comes out you can just buy them out
gusty yoke
You should only need 1 at max 2 pieces anyway
coarse knot
Very true
crisp hollow
it'll probs be a new currency every tier
gusty yoke
Since 1 raid is always going to be bis
crisp hollow
wouldnt get my hopes up for hoarding even tho i'd love that
gusty yoke
If they do the same for next raid as they did for uldir with the passive atleast
coarse knot
That would kinda suck tbh
But if they just give us something in return
Like maybe 3 weeks worth of currency
crisp hollow
as much as I enjoy being a raidbots princess I barely use my DD pieces
gusty yoke
Honestly id rather have this ātime gatedā than it be fucking random
crisp hollow
hopefully new traits are engaging and strong in multiple settings
strange python
do not that many people run exsg anymore?
crisp hollow
its gear reliant, still best for some people
crisp hollow
i prefer exsang energy regen and burst windows
strange python
i like exsg a lot more sims a fair bit better for me at least
crisp hollow
also Exsang means i don't mind swapping targets
TB sometimes makes me sad if things not going according to plan
also TB gets parried sometimes because Mother decides to turn for her smash at random
supple compass
any tips for mythic vectis
strange python
yeah i also like to be more bursty than evened out damage
crisp hollow
to parse on vectis or to be a good raider
strange python
on vectis i just put dots on the add and focus boss unless your dps is low enough that it gets close to 2nd cast
coarse knot
Eh I like toxic blades Iāve bursted up to 48k on fetid but it was mostly luck
strange python
after it comes out of intermission i prio it if ppl at 6 stacks
crisp hollow
you can cheese vectis stacks with cloak
cloak as its about to expire and you won't get a stack
fierce knoll
between TB and Exsang whats the playstyle difference do you just pool more with TB?
crisp hollow
pretty much, some foresight needed to get max bleed duration for when exsang about to come off CD but thats it
i haven't gotten a straight answer yet but some people line up exsang with galecaller's
i think it snapshots haste
strange python
i use it on cd so it lines up with vendetta exsg
crimson maple
is there a way to sim the m+ dungeon api for my specific character?
strange python
it does snapshot yeah
fierce knoll
been playing exsang but i no longer have SS traits and TB sims about 200 dps more
crisp hollow
yeah that'll do it
fierce knoll
i feel way more energy starved with TB build though
coarse knot
I donāt feel a big difference
fierce knoll
i feel like with Exsang you basically dont have to pool
crisp hollow
dear christ just give me an SS head/shoulders on Tuesday or let the emissaries be kind to me so i can stop hating fights with more than 2 targets
MA opener feels like butt to me too
god im so whiny lol i sim for 18k this game makes me a bad person
coarse knot
How long of a fight for 18k
crisp hollow
you know what while im asking Jesus for aid just make Sub best spec again
strange python
i got a ss head last week it made my sim go up by 500 lol
crisp hollow
5min
strange python
and i replaced another 385
gusty yoke
I cant decide between sin or sub
strange python
nerfing sub on PTR at least
gusty yoke
Enjoy but feel like i do way more as sin
crisp hollow
doing shrine 2nd boss as Sub hits the ol' nut button
dusk sun
How do we feel about this
crisp hollow
when they bring the little adds and let you Zul the caster
civic palm
crisp hollow
wait is that a trait or are they replacing additional damage dealt with a poison effect?
gusty yoke
Trait
crisp hollow
ok good
dusk sun
Trait
crisp hollow
i cant give blizz benefit of the doubt anymore i was fully ready to be told our 2min was being neutered
gusty yoke
Nerfed and put on 3min 
crisp hollow
so is that 50 additional energy on top of the initial trait?
strange python
but thats expecting too much i guess
crisp hollow
initial gain*
gusty yoke
I dont think i have seen any vend changes so the trait would add onto it
pastel wasp
then i wont yell at myself for only envenoming once
like i did on mother
TB (wind time)
fk
crisp hollow
MA opener tilts me because Vanish-Envenom feels like a noob move
crisp hollow
not according to Rholt
pastel wasp
oh
ebon tapir
5cp Vanish env mut env no?
crisp hollow
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
from the site
strange python
yea
ebon tapir
sims higher than Sub for me but I dont have SS
strange python
i killed today zek mythic and i had worst logs ever , any tips for that fight as assasin /subtefuge /exsang
ebon tapir
grats man, literally bashing my head against him right now.
pastel wasp
need to look at logs
strange python
thanks .. but trust me that guild that i killed it with is awfull
pastel wasp
otherwise wouldnt know what to comment on
strange python
ok sec
disclamer : im not usually this bad but this fight is just weird for me
fight was 7:44 mins haha
strange python
yea.. i was testing things out
i tried exsang and i did same shit dps
tried CT on adds but they die so fast so nothing boosed my dmg there
strange python
i tried vanish on opener
then vanish on big add
and zek
but its just same dmg
i forgot where i used vanish in that kill
strange python
maybe on end?
strange python
i saw some rogue using it on first adds
so i sawed it for that
but those died 2 fast
so i maybe forgot to use it on start
š
saved*
pastel wasp
oh
prob wanna refresh garrote before tb
so u guarantee 2 envenoms
but situational i guess
what are u FOK rupturing?
pastel wasp
thought u said adds die too fast
strange python
yeah but i get energy from them dying with rupture right?
dno this fight makes me quit assa rogue xD
i just dont know whats good to do here tbh
coarse knot
Itās not
If lil adds are dying fast there honestly no point in you even switching targets
strange python
is 2x DD and 1x Archive still BIS traits?
If I sim lower using those traits than my current setup (1x Laser, 1x DD, 1x Rezan), should I stick with that or would 2x DD still be higher DPS?
coarse knot
Maybe throw out a rupture in the beginning to gain that random boost of energy
But if the adds are dying fast and your trying to throw rupture on them all itās basically useless cause your not using any energy other than to throw FOK
coarse knot
Eh Iām slowly starting to figure out small things that will increase my dps
strange python
nxt time il go with scent of blood
and exsang + CT
il just copy seliathan what he did on that boss and il go from there
pastel wasp
scent of blood runs off rupture
coarse knot
Scent of blood is trash in pve Iād say
Things die to fast to actually benefit from it
pastel wasp
seli is a M+ rogue primarily
strange python
yea i know and he parsed 99
coarse knot
Other than m+ due to things during not as fast
strange python
96*
coarse knot
I donāt like going off of what top players do
Cause they probably have knowledge about fights we donāt
You would actually have to know what he did to do as good as he did
To fully benefit from scent
fresh peak
Is it worth it to drop ilvl for Shrouded Suffocation? i would drop 15 ilvls for it
for m+
coarse knot
I do it for m+ but not raiding
pastel wasp
i agree with syrr
coarse knot
For m+ Iād say yes due to aor
pastel wasp
maybe hes running scent because he has nothing better?
coarse knot
Aoe
fresh peak
kk and also i already have a piece with it so this will be my second
coarse knot
Helps also with combo on opener
fresh peak
and the helm with the higher ilvl has retalitory fury and twist the knife
pastel wasp
twist the knife might sim well
fresh peak
yeah it sims higher its just i mostly play m+ tho so im just a lil confused on what i should do bc of all the aoe
fresh peak
kk thanks
wispy elbow
If i'm reading this right the ideal setup for Azerite Traits is 1x Archive 1x Laser 1x Double Dose right?
for st
pastel wasp
mallet is a good indicator, but too many variables with actual gear/stats
calm grail
People who have killed Mythic Vectis, was your add damage low compared to most of your group?
tall dagger
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y2jgwtAf4NZDhQ3H/ could I get some help? Simming at around 14k, having a lot of trouble getting there
pastel wasp
i do roughly 6% on the adds
calm grail
Feels like every time I have CDs an add pops up with them
So every time I just give them some complimentary rupture and Garrote and have to lay into the boss.
quick ice
I've been popping tb on them, which I'm pretty sure is a waste
But it seems to make my RL happy
tall dagger
Change it? @pastel wasp
tall dagger
Oh man, I didnt even catch that
pastel wasp
your bleed uptimes are quite low
47%/55%
i think work on those
opener/bleed uptime
tall dagger
How do you keep up with energy? I have a hard times with that
pastel wasp
are you spamming skills?
tidal jetty
just flying by, but if youre running subterfuge, opening G G R G will remove the bonus
pastel wasp
dont double quick nav
tall dagger
So avoid that third G?
tall dagger
What should I switch? and wich one goes
tall dagger
ok
pastel wasp
One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blde
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
i think you have a habit of Mut 3x --> TB --> Envenom
thats a lot of combo points wasted
tall dagger
I think that's my biggest issue wasted energy and combo points
delicate crater
does SB have any redeeming qualities? it simms for like 200dps more than the other traits i have but it doesnt seem to show up in game
inner pecan
Scent of Blood? It's very good for multi-target
coarse knot
SB?
frosty gyro
it happened!
coarse knot
Nice
lavish nacelle
nice! i got socketed gloves and belt of taloc tonight
delicate crater
Sharpened Blades
delicate crater
I got a 385 helm with Sharpened Blades and Meticulous Scheming, and Sharpened sims for about 200 higher. I'm just not sure where to use it
pastel wasp
scrap that helm
ebon prism
strange python
@delicate crater I'm in the same boat. I use 1 trait of Sharpened Blades because it sims higher. Just use poisoned knife similar to how I use garrote or toxic blade to get that last combo point from 4/5
inner pecan
As sin it's pretty simple you just chuck it at 30stacks
and don't overcap CP with it
pearl meteor
@ebon prism depends how long adds live
civic forge
harsh glacier
anyone able to explain this sim for me? (trying to emulate m+). Reckons 385 chest with Rezans > SS
was 5x patchwerk 40secs
and also TB > Exsg even with SS
confusing
tribal marlin
@pastel wasp I don't know if it does matter, but with the currency things and the 8.1 maybe it is worth to keep 385 azerite, just in case
sturdy python
harsh glacier
on hero damage though it shows 355 SS outvaluing 385 rezans
tribal marlin
well if you wan to get in depth details run smaller sim (with only choice) so you can check what apl does to see. In addition you should remove BL and Reorignation array stacks to sim m+
pastel wasp
pretty sure they said the current azirute items wont count as currency
so you dont need to hoard it
harsh glacier
oh good point about the reoriginations
harsh glacier
if I run for 20 secs instead of 40 then SS outvalues the 385 chest
40 probly more relevant for m+ yeah?
pastel wasp
Couple quick clarifications based on feedback so far:
Only Azerite Armor that drops after Tides of Vengeance is released will scrap/disenchant into the new currency. Don't worry about hoarding the Azerite pieces you're earning now.
When the next Mythic+ season starts, and item levels increase, the item levels of Thaumaturge Vashreen's wares will increase accordingly.
We recognize that PvPers want more options and choice too. We're talking about that separately.
harsh glacier
Ill redo the sim though
pastel wasp
@tribal marlin
tribal marlin
ye make sense, I save theim just in case but was no conviced it would work š
@harsh glacier well I'd like to check the apl just to be sure it actually used vanish but I can't the simulation is to large š
harsh glacier
XD
SS simming higher without reorigin array and blust
mighta been the array messing things up
ember rover
What is the ilv of the piece with SS?
harsh glacier
370
fresh ginkgo
damn that new trait looks pretty cool
harsh glacier
yah
pastel wasp
oh
tribal marlin
could they give it to sub rogue ā¤
ember coral
Anyone killed ghuun mythic please?
inner pecan
what's up
inner pecan
divided room into 5 general soak quadrants
but called for help if we needed more in one area
so kinda FFA but not really
ember coral
Ok because we got a wa that say in red if we canāt soak or in white if we can
But I know there is wa where u can assign people with colors
So I donāt know whatās the best
inner pecan
whatever works best for your team
it's not that hard of a mechanic just choose a strat and stick with it
worst thing you can do is flipflop between strats and make your raid relearn things
inner pecan
not really it's a pretty simple fight for sin, nothing you really have to do out of the ordinary
you can do a shadowstep to monk statue to do the 2nd part of orbrun but you probably shouldn't need to since the nerf
stack gutripper traits
ember coral
Yeah got 2 of it
Wasnāt talking for sin specially but for the encounter in general
inner pecan
just be proactive about soaking whenever you can and being in a good spot when you can't
majority of your wipes will be to people fucking up soaks
once the raid learns it the boss falls over basically
inner pecan
never used it so I have no personal opinion of it
but I know Reloe and his guild are good so I would trust it to work
stable pine
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copper quartz
is icy veins stat prio for assassination right?
i would've thought mastery would've been valued higher now that it affects bleeds
plain thistle
copper quartz
bot aint workin for my toon :/
plain thistle
but not, for single target mastery is not good
copper quartz
interesting, alrighty
plain thistle
crit and haste are better
civic palm
IIRC Crit is worse than VERS for me now > , <
But that's with a big ol bag of crit.
alpine pelican
How many mobs does there need to be in a pack to prioritize crimson tempest instead of rupture spam
assuming all mobs will live long enough
rupture spread*
civic palm
and assuming you do not have Scent of Blood?
alpine pelican
yeah
civic palm
When your current bleeds will keep you from bottoming out on energy.
Which depends on your current Garrote count as well, so it can shift around a little.
quick ice
yeah, mastery is definitely my 2nd best stat too atm
civic palm
Note: Rupture and Garrote deal similar damage with 0 Shrouded Suffocation traits.
quick ice
n.b. MA/TB build
civic palm
Too many uses in raid that quickly overcome the .4% "loss".
quick ice
@marsh bloom that's very close
marsh bloom
390 ring omgl
marsh bloom
390 ring lmao
quick ice
wait no, just zek/zul
quick ice
yeah I'm gonna recommend you try to not die next time
shrewd pine
U didnt read guide
marsh bloom
I have
and I just did
@shrewd pine any tips?
or is that it
can anyone help me on what I could/should be doing
and what i'm fucking up on
and the guide doesn't explain much š¦
coarse knot
you talking about for fetid fight?
marsh bloom
no for mother lol
Fetid was someone fucked up pulled
so we all got fucked on that one lol
lead said to only kill the first add and no one did
and then people tried killing the rest of them but none of the other ones died
but I guess you can help me on fetid too
vocal oracle
should tell raid leader skip killing adds, keep a MS debuff on Fetid
coarse knot
Mm I donāt see why you would think you need improvement for mother
marsh bloom
Just like anything
marsh bloom
I just mean like you can always improve
coarse knot
Replace fathoms for a Harlanās loaded dice
marsh bloom
I'm gonna sim againt but I think I deal more damage with fathoms
only avhe a 365 dice
yea less damage
coarse knot
Whatās your other trinket
coarse knot
Well that needs a ilvl improvement
marsh bloom
I could try
coarse knot
Eewww
marsh bloom
cannons suck don't they?
coarse knot
Shits garbage as assassin
marsh bloom
how about as outlaw?
coarse knot
Itās good
I run dooms wake and dice
And the best Iāve done is 22k on fetid the entire fight
Mother I believe Iāve done like 17 or 18k
abstract raven
355 fathom and dice here and I parse well lol. I think some just getting the base effect is the big part.
abstract raven
You misspelled busted lmao. 5 trinkets over 380, still using 355s. Granted its stuff like cannon and capacitors but still. Kinda lame.
marsh bloom
So I wanna pool before Exsg right?
abstract raven
Not bad for your ilevel tho, ya need to pad on adds more. Even during CD usage toss a two or three point rupture on em for the energy boost
marsh bloom
so I can have 100% uptime on elaborat eplanning
abstract raven
No
abstract raven
Just have cds line up properly with exang. You will exang without vendetta or vanish but you will never vanish or vendetta without exang. That's how I look at it
I usually save my vanish for my second exang which means I hold exang for 15 seconds on my second vendetta depending on boss health and phases
coarse knot
I see your running mastery and crit gems whatās your haste??
marsh bloom
27.1
Should I reapply garrote/rupture a second before the Exsg rupture/garrote runs out?
cause i'm like reapplying as they run out
abstract raven
I do it at 0
That boss I wait for add phase with vanish and garrote the world. Maintain full bleeds on boss and whichever big add you're killing at the time
marsh bloom
heroic
abstract raven
Ya
marsh bloom
do big adds spawn minute into the fight?
abstract raven
The three caster ones. I dont remember the time I just watch my dbm lol
marsh bloom
you cast vanish i nthe beginning of the fight though?
abstract raven
No, I vanish for the small adds
abstract raven
Just to pad. If yall need to kill then just focus on boss till it's on farm
Yeah lol.
round harbor
Personal loot makes me want to kms
Not getting mythic raid azerite really sucks ass
clear mantle
Where are the old weakaura links that had the rogue suite?
honest iris
double dose is nutty its 6-8% of my damage
modest zodiac
Here goes another unlucky week
safe matrix
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blissful hull
this week try we still running CT? or PB
loud pilot
i will pb adds so weak
harsh glacier
so was talking to my guildmate who always tops logs as rogue, asking how he constantly gets 99s and shit. He said one of the key things is to vanish before mechanics so you dont have to run out, do you guys all do this?
I always thought you just vanish for garrotte damage
edgy crystal
if i want to sim for mythic plus, is it 40 seconds 4 bosses ?
supple wolf
Sim for m+
loud pilot
17k club feelsgood 385 dagger in the back https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gVuzqc33os8GgpMNML1fVz
dry gulch
My rogue still havent gotten a single 385 Azerite armor piece.. doing a +10 on it since i main it so 6 weeks in a row now
Bad luck protection working as intended lol...
hasty wing
friend of mine got 4 xD
alpine pelican
do pvp or raid
dry gulch
got 3 different rings and 2 cloaks tho š
hasty wing
working as intended
dry gulch
I am duelist in pvp aswell, got 2x HP Emblem trinket
and 1x legs with vers/mastery
what a time to be alive
ebon garden
385 SS piece, i feel blessed
dry gulch
i quit haha ^^
strange ingot
yo i got a 385 piece as well, it has fan of blades tho. Is it worth to change it for a 370 ss?
green saffron
I got 385 DD, is it worth to replace 370 SS?
ebon garden
for raids i think it is, for dungeons no
willow pulsar
385 dd is probably the best st piece you could ever get, i hate you :x
willow pulsar
You need to be shadowstep master to have it on cd every stomp
hollow cloud
Man I keep getting DD traits 
humble crane
Do you SS if you have the debuff though?
hollow cloud
wat do u mean
green saffron
I hope, š and how about 370 DD compare to 385 SB? I did try to sim: 385 SB > 370 DD (from emissary) but my feelcraft tell me different. Any thoughts?
hollow cloud
ss if you have the debuff?
humble crane
Seems risky spreading it to the other rogue if they SS as well š
willow pulsar
It's a tricky q tbh
hollow cloud
You mean SS as in the trait no?`
ebon garden
shadowstep
hollow cloud
Im really confused
willow pulsar
Depends how many melees you have there
rogue abbrevations why u do this to me
humble crane
4 melee I think they are taking
humble crane
Na prog
hollow cloud
ah
humble crane
I havent done the fight, trialing in a new guild
hollow cloud
shadowstep if ur gonna get knocked back towards ranged
if not just position where there are no ranged
and take the full knockback
unkempt karma
i got 380 pants that I already have with a socket. Weekly chest of shit ^^
humble crane
alright, any other tips? Do you save CD's for first set of adds?
dull escarp
Hey all.
I just cant find any info on the best way to use elaborate planning.
Is it better to pool energy, so u get two multilades after a finisher or?
Or should i leave it and focus on keeping evenom up? Playing with TB atm. only 355 ilvl
coarse knot
I try and focus on using it with garrote
hollow escarp
you mean using an empowered garrote after a finisher?
coarse knot
Yes
coarse knot
Whatās wrong with that
hollow cloud
I dont like playing without shrouded 
its always felt off to me
maybe I just need to play more without it
coarse knot
I raid without it all the time
wind totem
Yo guys how do you sim to see which trait is better for m+?
I usually sim myself at 6 targets for 40 seconds with no bloodlust
coarse knot
Well first of all idk if they bring rogues in for aoe
coarse knot
Not saying they do
hollow escarp
it's not like you need single target in M+
you dont save time on bosses, only on trash
willow pulsar
Aoe? Did someone say killing spree?
coarse knot
Best trait for m+ is Ss
hollow escarp
that moment when blade rush is still better xD
wind totem
Mate this is not at all what I asked. I know what is bis.
drifting elbow
thats how its usually simmed
hollow escarp
I sim 40 sec - 5 targets and play with 2 x SoB and 1 x SS
coarse knot
You literally asked what trait is better for m+
wind totem
hollow escarp
he asked how to sim it
drifting elbow
he asked HOW u see traits being best
wind totem
i literally askd how to sim which is better
drifting elbow
wind totem
i know what the bis one is. However I have 2 level 2 traits that are very close and want to sim myself right before I pick one
coarse knot
You can always change it
drifting elbow
if they are heed my call, dont take it
wind totem
But how would I know I have to change it?
If i dont fucking know how to sim myself?
jesus why are you such an ass? I just asked for some advice.
hollow escarp
when it comes to unplanned events, you have to pick what's better that fits you and does not depend on how other players play
hope that makes sense
coarse knot
Iām not being a ass
wind totem
You are refusing to answer my question. If you don't know how to answer it - no problem. Just dont go around talking about other stuff I didnt ask for.
safe matrix
And let's ramp this back down
So simming for m+ is decently difficult, herodamage has a dungeon list now that tries to be a bit more accurate
willow pulsar
@drifting elbow what do you mean by not taking heed my call? They sim really well for me
safe matrix
But there are just so many dynamic factors, you gotta do a lot of sims
wind totem
No problem. I
safe matrix
Typically 3-6 targets 20s on tyrannical and 40s on fortified
safe matrix
But those won't be fully accurate
Since you won't have every cd for every pack
But it also does depend on your comp
wind totem
Then how do I find out which of 2 close traits is better? The m+ template used to order traits is using wrong talents.
safe matrix
Sometimes you pull big sometimes you pull small
Think about the conditions you usually play with
And simulate those
hollow escarp
sometimes you cc 1 add from a 3 ads pack because pug tank is afraid
drifting elbow
@willow pulsar they do well on long fights, but on such short pulls like in m+, its really weak dmg each pack pulls
safe matrix
If you run with a consistent group, you sorts learn how you deal with trash
There is an element of feelcrafting in m+ that you can never fully get rid of
willow pulsar
@drifting elbow overwhelming power losing stack on being hit, what sgould i am for then?
safe matrix
But if you're smart about your sims you can generally be reliable
wind totem
You mention some sort of dungeon list on herodamage. Where can I find it?
safe matrix
In the pins
willow pulsar
I have like 3 heed my calls for m+ lol
safe matrix
It uses a custom apl
drifting elbow
OP losing stacks per hits is pretty small problem in m+
safe matrix
To simulate dungeons
drifting elbow
its up to u if u want to keep using HMC trait for m+, it just doesnt seem good at all for me with 2 of them
hollow escarp
OP is OP
sudden sigil
What are people running as traits for m+ these days?
drifting elbow
SS/archive stuff
hollow escarp
SS, SoB, Archive
sudden sigil
1 SS or stack ss?`
drifting elbow
1 is enough if other items are clearly higher ilvl
hollow escarp
probably not in the exact combination
willow pulsar
Scent if it is higher ilvl than ss and archieve
sudden sigil
If its lower is LM better then scent?
hollow escarp
true
sudden sigil
So i got a 355 Scent and a 370 Lazer matrix.
drifting elbow
LM is not that good tbh
willow pulsar
And it used to pull unitended mobs
sudden sigil
Ah got it.
hollow escarp
didnt they fix that though?
coarse knot
Yes
willow pulsar
Ok
willow pulsar
Neither for tyranicall weeks, unless you're doing idk, 16's and up
sudden sigil
Rog3er
coarse knot
If I run with high aoe groups I generally focus on single target damage then
But on fort weeks on like a 9 or 10 itās a great trait
willow pulsar
Am i the only one who hates PB here?
placid egret
PB has generally been hated since it's introduction in Legion
coarse knot
Idk what PB is to many abbreviations to remember
sudden sigil
Poison bomb
placid egret
poison bomb
sudden sigil
its just so strong with rng luck
coarse knot
I love poison bomb
coarse knot
I always run PB
sudden sigil
would swirling sands be better then Scent for m+s then?
coarse knot
I just hate CT
placid egret
everyone runs it, it's the best ST talent
sudden sigil
The dmg from CT is crazy tbh
placid egret
people just hate the rng
drifting elbow
how can u hate CT
safe matrix
If you guys hate this level of rng with pb you would've hated legion
Where it hit for a lot and had a 1-5% chance
tame stratus
got a 380 sigil from a chest - ever worth upgrading anything other than azerite slots?
elder cypress
Weapons
quick ice
yeah but those godly times when you got like 21% PB damage on a fight and won at everything?
I kinda miss those
not the times when the next week you get 0% though
coarse knot
Lol
I just love bursting with TB And PB and getting 2-3 procs in a row
Then no one can really compete with me in dps
coarse knot
Didnāt play rogue in league but sounds OP
quick ice
100% guarantee someone would do something dumb and you'd wipe though
quick ice
and the better you're doing, the more likely someone fucks up š
coarse knot
Wiped on 5 % rip parse
quick ice
š¦
coarse knot
I play with a lot of rng in my build
If it all aligns up with my burst
I can do over 50k
safe matrix
Basically you know how poison bomb currently does like 1-2% of damage?
Imagine if it did 0-20%
solid nova
Well as the comment was about Legion assassination, yes 
flint walrus
If i got zero SS traits, am i screwed as a Sin ?
coarse knot
Depends on what your doing
solid nova
Salt
coarse knot
M+ or raiding
inland path
š¤ hey guys brb just going to read the last 2 hours of the chat
solid nova
1 scroll but sure
coarse knot
@flint walrus
flint walrus
Raid
flint walrus
Cool, so i'm not 100% screwed then
pearl meteor
na
stable oxide
ss is nice for Zek'voz mythic š
marsh bloom
richard could you help me out?
just on mother
and vectis cause that was a blue parse :(((
or anyone ā¤
shrewd pine
!guide
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shrewd pine
read a guide
marsh bloom
heroic
I have
that doesn't go into depth how to play the specific talents
@shrewd pine
stable oxide
on vectis make sure you have a garrote and rupture up on the add asap