well you would use TB on 3-4 anyway
#assassination
late moat
360 aot or 345 ss for head traits already have 370 ss in chest and 370 aot in shoulders raidbots says that it's better to go w/ 360 but i'm not sure if it's rlly that better in m+
untold patrol
M+ better with SS stacks
untold patrol
when opening from stealth if spec subterfuge
safe matrix
vast forum
Garrote has no initial dmg
late moat
k ty
solar bramble
ss garrote is my favorite thing in the world when i'm able to use it.. . . i'd rather they nerf the dmg on it, and enable it to work on non stealth garrotes lol
garrote > mutilate every 6 seconds lol
vast forum
That would just be bad design
solar bramble
😦 but i like 3 cp garrotes
vast forum
I like 5 cp garrotes with no cd :(
solar bramble
that's just broken
at least 3 cp is mitigated by the dmg of the garrote being practically useless itself, sicne it's already pandemic'd
when used every 6
vast forum
But lower energy cost
solar bramble
meh. i use one iron wire in raid for a similar effect. since that + reorigination is an extremely high chance for 4 cp mutilates
ik it's not the best choice
marsh bloom
Well you should use whatever sims you the highiest
solar bramble
before someoen ye lls at me lol
it's a comfort pick. not an optimal pick. i'm not even close to bleeding edge. . . . my suboptimal dmg is generally still #1-3 of the dps in my groups
odd thing is, i tend to do more than what i sim. . . . . . idk if it just isn't counting that iron wire is using 2 mutilates instead of it's intended 1 or not
vast forum
Fight length?
If you're talkin about hc, a maority of bosses that could resemble patchwerk (to compare to sims) die in under 5 min
restive storm
waddup boys quick question
triple SS for MM+ still the best even with 345 azerite equipement ?
harsh glacier
anyone mind telling me why my ilvl logs are so dogshit? I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, feels like I'm moving around the fight fine and my rotation is fine, but maybe Im screwing it up? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T8bhB9mCKqaxLDRd/#fight=7&type=damage-done
solar bramble
SS i love for m+ but i only use 2. i keep one twist the knife instead of a 3rd just to help out a little on those bosses that live longer than my refreshed garrotes do
ruby idol
2x archives 1x ss feels best in most situations
solar bramble
and it's nice in AoE too, when you get an obsrud amount of cp's
2 archives and 1 ss could certainly be nice. i've got 1 archive, but it's also one of my only 355 ss's. so i don't use it (355 archive). helm is my twist, since it's also 355 (instead of a 340 3rd ss). with shoulders as a 355 ss
archive is just solid consistency.
I was even tempted to use the genaric haste trait with the 2 ss's since the haste if it procs, would severely amplify those ss's/garrotes on so many targets. but choose not to in the end
but I only get like 20k something on sustained AoE with 4-5 targets.
cobalt gyro
thats about what i get with only 4-5
solar bramble
ya, till they end up dead on a sanguine. and the dots aren't enough to kill em before they get kited out lol
shrine of the storms is cancer this week (any sanguine week really)
warm cove
@harsh glacier mother is hard to parse on nowadays with cheese and stuff, depends a lot on how your group kills it
solar bramble
mother also depends on what group your in too
solar bramble
if you're the last group your dps is far higher. if your first group then it kinda sucks
i always try to do really really well on taloc (despite the elevator screwing melee), to convince them to leave me in last group for dmg alone lol
harsh glacier
@warm cove can check the other bosses too
has taloc and vectis and shit
fetid I just died on because we were tanking in alcove and shower pushed me into breath lol
rugged jetty
Anyone able to take a look at my mythic logs and see what I am doing wrong ?
warm cove
On phone atm but can check later maybe 😊
raven mica
Tfw y’all talking about being able to choose traits but then I’m sitting here with 2 385 pieces stuck on generics cuz I play all three specs
raven mica
insert comment about how I shouldn’t be complaining cuz I got 2 385s from M+
cobalt gyro
so do i, i just pick the one that does the most dps for the situation thugh
raven mica
Which is always the generic trait because 385 compared to 370
Kinda sad too, cuz it’s got SS on it
And the other has double dose
So like if I just like went Fuck off to my guild and played nothing but sin I’d have dope af traits
warm cove
An oh btw, i dont play sin anymore, played it for like 2-3 weeks when ss was op, some1 else is probably better suited for looking at sin logs, im outlul by heart
raven mica
Padlaw>Outlul
cobalt gyro
hey now i do top boss damagen and top add damage
warm cove
Mm i’ve parsed better with outlaw on every boss, so im slowly gonna go back to pirate channel...
shy escarp
i have had worse luck getting outlaw weapons, but that's just RNG
waycrest wants to be real stingy for me
harsh glacier
Id play outlaw but it feels so bad in m+
having to reroll dice for every pack is messed up
shy escarp
I think outlaw feels fine with right traits, but assassin feels amazing and is just more consistent
warm cove
Bad? Outlaw feels so noice in m+
harsh glacier
outlaw in m+ I go from doing 30k dps to doing like 5k
warm cove
Nanana
harsh glacier
sin is a nice consistent 20k
zinc zephyr
I can't decide between 3 shoulders for m+ and sims show different results at 1T+hectic, 2T+ hectic and 3T+hectic
I have a 370 Archive, 385 secrects of the deep, 370 Blood rite / scent of blood.
Can sb help me? ^^
harsh glacier
depends what your other pieces are too
zinc zephyr
1 more archive and 1 SS
harsh glacier
2 archive 1 ss is pretty optimal
cyan stump
@zinc zephyr 
harsh glacier
idk how secrets goes
zinc zephyr
i know "sim yo self", but can't decide depending on sims, thatswhy I asked
harsh glacier
the secrets may well be best actually
cyan stump
sim with patchwerk 4-5 bosses and 40secs -1 min,,that might be the closest to the m+ scenario
fading hearth
guild wants me to pick up a ranged alt for mythic progression
shy escarp
herodamage has a M+ setup and it thinks 385 secrets > 370 SoB and archive
fading hearth
what should i do 😦
shy escarp
sharpened blades sub rogue.
crit some shuriken tosses for 100k+, ask them how you aren't a ranged DPS spec
zinc zephyr
thanks @cyan stump , @harsh glacier
kind jetty
Hello guys I'm new here is there a haste cap for us or do we just try to get as much haste as possible
Ok thabkyou:)
fading hearth
i have a 330 warlock ready to go :(, i just prefer rogue/ would rather play a hunter but id have to level one from scratch. the struggle
zinc zephyr
110 boost?
vital crater
1ss 2 archive or 2ss 1 archive? 😃
summer marten
if you are exsang rogue its as much haste
kind jetty
@frigid lagoon Is that pawn string reliable that it generates?
summer marten
if you set it up properly (fight, buffs, array stacks etc)
then pretty much, but you should still sim with every upgrade you get, as it will change
kind jetty
Right ok thankyou very much :)
summer marten
usually is best to sim top gear and then stat weight with said top gear
dapper moat
with 0 SS and MA talent. i do know ST fight rotation. but what to do with packs? concentrate one with full ST rotation and cleave others same time with FoK or CT?
kind jetty
@summer marten I have not got a clue what the top gear is for rogue lol
summer marten
if you have simc addon, you can sim top gear on that site
it finds top gear from your bags and all that
kind jetty
Oh right i thought you meant select the best gear you can get on the game and SIM that
fading hearth
also in the fight bewteen sub and sin, who is pulling ahead atm?
summer marten
ah no, its just that i had cases where pawn says one is upgrade, i equip it, sim new weights... and now old one is better
so better to go top gear into stat weights 😃
modest oyster
anyone have experience on Mythrax mythic?
got a q about using exsang or TB
for more burst on add
sleek hemlock
@modest oyster im using exsang cuz we have enough dps on weapon. Its all about set up
rigid sonnet
does the envenom buff increase posion application chance to fan of knives?
or does it always do the normal application rate
sleek hemlock
Anyways i always have exsang for second weapon spawn
winter moss
hello guys, i simmed it up nd down, MA sims higher, quick question towards vanisch usage: delay for vendetta if under 30apart or use instant
unreal sundial
When is it best to exsang? 15sec plus on gar/rup?
onyx rock
Will our dots stay on the add on Mythic Mythrax when it disappears?
Like the Warlock Dots
onyx rock
K i will do that... thx !
sleek hemlock
@unreal sundial exsang with dots on full duration
rugged jetty
anyone able to take a log at my mythic logs and see what i am doing wrong
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/vnix mythic zek/vectic
somber otter
how do I sim with mythic+ in mind
rugged jetty
5-6 boss patchwerk 40 sec
stark stag
Any assassination rogues Twitch/Youtube Channels u guys recommend ?
vast forum
Go to raider io and check if the top rogues stream
vestal wren
ashine and Speedoflife, musclebrah(maybe) too
tiny thunder
dapper moat
really annoying to know should i use SS traits on dungeons even though i have other gear with item level 15 higher..
also with low item level is all the time item swapping when doing pugs
azerite is so flawwed consept. 😦
quartz rune
@winter moss u can use Vanish with Vendetta every time cause they both have same CD
raven mica
Also you’d need to wait on vanish for the 2nd usage anyways
quartz rune
Yea you will/should never have a 30 sec cd difference
native meadow
Is the bug still live that you're not supposed to use a 4th garrote after the 3 empowered ones?
daring imp
@stark stag seliathan's ( twitch.tv/incarnated i think )
@dapper moat not exactly flawed, i mean, you run content where cleave/aoe dmg weighs more than pure st damage, AND the increase of SS in aoe/cleave scenarios is much greater than other traits ... it's just the trait that fits our strength perfectly, it isn't flawed because you use a lower ilvl piece and have a better output, after all you're using the appropriate trait for the appropriate type of fight @_@"
however if you meant flawed in that we can't switch at will, we need to either have multiple sets or reforge ... i do agree
@winter moss i'm pretty sure with MA you want to use it inside vendetta window for maximum bonus dmg @_@"
stiff leaf
anyone got a shroud announcement weakaura?
strange python
guys a question: got the fetid trinket 395 yesterday on mythic - would you wear it instead of 370 loaded dice & 365 dead eye spyglass?
anyone with good exp on that?
dry void
sim it
hollow jolt
anyone knows why bloodmallet got replaced from the SIM Pin?
dark crag
Not accurate enough anymore
hollow jolt
okay thx : =
spice surge
@hollow jolt Check #tc-updates Aethys last post, not enough people was aware of that and thus assuming certain things
Its accurate, but very specific and doesnt mention how or why its so specific
steady hollow
What do you guys think of Heed my Call vs Earthlink?
fallen sandal
sim
rocky notch
stable oxide
Can someone explain me the topgear list here
like
the list makes no sense to me at all xD
how are those individual boots/cape up there?
and when I sim with the specific cape its https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jkVjcnnMQ4JE4ZM27c6JmV
daring imp
@steady hollow too low of a dif between both @_@"
steady hollow
i was more talking about the chance HmC might break CC tho in arena
daring imp
@harsh glacier usually higher ilvl have faster kill speeds ( no 2nd transition for example )
willow pulsar
Correct me if i'm wrong: FoK spam at 4+, with double dose at 5+, yup?
harsh glacier
even that though, I'm low dps for ilvl on basically every kill cept mythrax
feels like I must be messing something up
strange python
@willow pulsar ye
daring imp
not sure if azerite traits willingly break cc unless it's a dot
harsh glacier
mother I was like 4k dps behind guys in the same group as me
willow pulsar
Thx
daring imp
@harsh glacier compare that vectis log of yours with this one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aHgAVqGn68zyPdfm#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=19
you have ss & subterfuge but even with that your garrote is just miles behind in dmg per cast, are you accidentally overwritting the empowered ones?
daring imp
no? what's this
harsh glacier
mine are just 370
probly vanished before that one
generally I refresh first garrotte with vanish at end of opener
strange python
yikes
harsh glacier
mighta screwed it up then
daring imp
harsh glacier
rip
daring imp
again
nvm the one after vanish was on add
so, on vectis
you wanna vanish to garrote both boss AND add
did your add die too quick?
harsh glacier
nah I could've I think I just messed up by vanishing early
daring imp
that can affect too because if you don't have enough time to put bleeds on it you'll do less dmg
harsh glacier
I was putting bleeds on it
daring imp
so no great parse
harsh glacier
yeah
could well be it
mind checking my mother log for me?
oh actually mother we didnt go into 3rd room so thats maybe why
daring imp
the heroic one?
daring imp
you were on last group?
daring imp
and you guys made it to last room?
harsh glacier
nope
2nd room kill
but mainly comparing to my other guildies
who did 4k+ dps than me
daring imp
well link me that log then
the one i'm looking is the same of that vectis
and you did 13k
at 2nd place
1st one did 14
harsh glacier
oh weird
harsh glacier
in the raid top place was like 21k dps
let me see if I can find it
oh maybe I was thinking of the mythic one
pearl meteor
21k on mother without 3rd room 🤔🤔🤔
daring imp
well yea i find it a bit hard to believe too
pearl meteor
Gotcha
brisk forge
And try to master your class in combo with mechanics. Dont look on others in guild if they dont play the same class
harsh glacier
I got 2 bloods at the end which screwed me a bit
daring imp
h taloc is a mofo because it depends if the add on elevator dies quick or not
brisk forge
33% is bad
harsh glacier
yeah
daring imp
and the blood mechanic
harsh glacier
33% makes me feel like I did something really wrong
harsh glacier
would having to run 2 bloods out at the end of fight explain a 33% parse?
33% ilvl btw, was 68% for non-ilvl
daring imp
probably not
harsh glacier
doesnt look like I messed up vanish/garrote timings on h taloc either
I want to improve, just not really entirely sure where Im going wrong
daring imp
yea i get that
strange python
Hey ongbak
daring imp
well you can certainly improve a bit if you don't refresh the emp garrote a bit early as you were doing on taloc
and try to do garrote>filler>garrote to make THE EMPOWERED GARROTE last the entire 23s instead of using only 1
hallo @strange python
strange python
:')
pearl meteor
👏
daring imp
i recommend getting even more haste
also those proc trinkets can be a bit messy because they eventually make your haste not your highest stat ( before adding the reorigination array bonus )
tho i can see why you use them, they're good @_@"
harsh glacier
haha yeah
daring imp
i run with 2k haste and 3x overwhelming power, with gcb and fathoms to ensure haste is the highest every damn time
harsh glacier
only other decent one I have is a 355 galecallers
I think a lot of the higher parses would have higher ilvl weps than me
idk if that makes a big diff overall tho
daring imp
not as big as you imagine
harsh glacier
sharpened blades on my shoulders also feels crap
daring imp
on a 12 shrine i went these days, i got smashed by another ass rouge that was 7ilvl ahead of me, he was like ~18k dmg and i was at ~15 at the end
the easy way for me to justify was saying "oh he's got better gear"
after i checked logs i immediately saw that he had more uptime in everything compared to me
harsh glacier
right true
daring imp
even ct that i like to spam a friggin' lot
he had something like 45% uptime while i had ~30
harsh glacier
other rogue in my raid on vectis had less uptime on me and did more damage with it though <.<
daring imp
less uptime on dots?
harsh glacier
8% less uptime on garrotte
wheat zealot
Mustve just been lucky with crits or something
wheat zealot
Bc that should be less damage
harsh glacier
also I think on vectis he probly used vanish to apply it on the adds better than me
as ong said earlier
strange python
Shrouded suffocation
daring imp
well
SOMETIMES it's not worth it to apply garrote on the add
like halfway dead for example
harsh glacier
Im running ss
daring imp
you'll just do like 2~4 ticks and not even get energy back
yea the vanish one is worth it
IF
you use it when it spawns
strange python
Just a thought
daring imp
i'd try to avoid running sb right now
harsh glacier
I only started raiding like 2 weeks ago tho
pearl meteor
Sb 🤢
harsh glacier
yeah I hate it
daring imp
don't have any other trait to use?
harsh glacier
only other 370 piece is SoB
but thats not good for raiding I heard
got a bunch of 340s :/
pearl meteor
Fk sb
strange python
Sim yoself
daring imp
sob is good for m+
pearl meteor
So dont play it
strange python
Lul
harsh glacier
the other things sim so far below it though
pearl meteor
So?
daring imp
5%+?
strange python
Top dps equals fun tho, for real
harsh glacier
like 8% below
daring imp
what
pearl meteor
Doubt it
daring imp
wait
harsh glacier
sb sims well
harsh glacier
sob is 370
harsh glacier
but sob sims like shit on single target
strange python
Then wth
harsh glacier
just sob and sb
harsh glacier
raidbots
pearl meteor
Omegalul
harsh glacier
I can check again
daring imp
8%????????
pearl meteor
Link
strange python
Link sims
daring imp
whole 8%??????????? like not 0.8% but whole 8%?
strange python
👀
pearl meteor
My 340 to 385 was 6.8% how u gon tell me 370 tp 370 is 8%
pearl meteor
I needa see im intrigued lol
harsh glacier
mighta been that was diff for azerite traits when I was simming m+ (5 patchwerks)
pearl meteor
🤷♀️
harsh glacier
ok yeah its only a 2.3% diff
reckon its worth running sob then seeing as I dont think Im playing sb very well?
harsh glacier
generally it caps during my toxic blade duration and it sucks hard
not even 2.3% actually its 1%
2.3 was my ss shoulders
drifting elbow
...u can just use skill before it caps during TB duration
pearl meteor
Lmao
daring imp
don't use sb then, if you mess other stuff because of it don't bother using it
drifting elbow
so u r not pooling xd
strange python
Pooling in 2018
pearl meteor
Ye so how u dont have energy then 🤔
drifting elbow
this discussion is weird
pearl meteor
If ur getting between 2-3 env that assumes u r going into tb with 5 playing perfectly and atleast using mut twice, typically 3+
harsh glacier
for example I get 4 cp, pop tb, pop envenom, then SB reaches cap
pearl meteor
Mhm
harsh glacier
I dont want to waste energy on SB at that point
because Im in TB and want to use it on Mut for 2 cp instead of 1 from SB
drifting elbow
''waste''?
harsh glacier
2cp and getting a higher cp envenom during TB seems better than using SB efficiently at that point
drifting elbow
as said earlier, just use it before TB stuff
pearl meteor
Big ass WA
drifting elbow
it doesnt really require much thought
strange python
One of the few thoughts
pearl meteor
Get a stack counter
daring imp
are you casting your 28+ stacks sb?
strange python
Sin isnt that hard
daring imp
i mean
harsh glacier
I just cast it at cap
daring imp
oh nvm vectis transition skews that
harsh glacier
havent counted
harsh glacier
I died
harsh glacier
in like fist min
pearl meteor
Lmao
daring imp
ok mother then
harsh glacier
yeah we were tanking in the alcove thing and the waterfall killed 3 of us
strange python
Xd
harsh glacier
just bad positioning there
daring imp
10 casts for 4min fight, alright
daring imp
if he had way more haste it'd be way better
harsh glacier
I guess in those logs I also wasnt flasked or prepotting
or potting at all
how much of a diff to pots make to dps?
daring imp
sim them
drifting elbow
pretty large enough
harsh glacier
kk
daring imp
not sure i always use prolonge dpower lul
slim olive
lol
daring imp
too poor and lazy
pearl meteor
Yikes
daring imp
to use 350g prepots
harsh glacier
same maybe I should get prolonged
drifting elbow
prolonged is joke tho
daring imp
they're going for 20g i think on my server
pearl meteor
Not talking bout prolonged
daring imp
oh i don't even have herbalism, alchemist just to get 2h flasks lul
daring imp
hey you wanna parse higher right :X
harsh glacier
dont think 300dps is gonna fix my parse <.<
acoustic flame
I blow through like 70pots in a day of zul progress
daring imp
damn
two guys from other guilds asked me to go on their mythic zul progression
"sure, what do i need to do"
main ice
@harsh glacier Well, then you can compare #casts and not damage on logs
stark stag
Lol
acoustic flame
yeah it's crazy
harsh glacier
starting to think I just need to learn the bosses better
acoustic flame
most wipes happen in last phase
acoustic flame
and we use both pots in 1st phase
to meet dps check
so almost every pull is 2 pots
daring imp
do the adds get killed too fast on last phase?
acoustic flame
they shouldn't
pearl meteor
On zul?
stark stag
@harsh glacier I think u just need to react b4 the boss do his mechanic
pearl meteor
We get overflowing amts of adds lol
acoustic flame
yeah same
pearl meteor
Its great
daring imp
yea i mean the ideal scenario are for the crawgs to last until zul is ded right?
acoustic flame
yep
dusky rose
How come all the mythic parses have a couple shrouded suffocation when the trait sims so low
pearl meteor
Well they will die
dusky rose
Or lower the arch atleast
pearl meteor
But ideally as next set comes out
strange python
Whats wrong with 16000
acoustic flame
crawgs instantly respawn on mythic
they never die essentialy,unless they have the debuff
daring imp
@dusky rose low fight duration, can abuse extra garrote on adds, stuff like that ...
dusky rose
So when i sim same ilvl azerite vs ss and get a much lower sim that means my settings for sim are wrong?
acoustic flame
keep in mind u have to use subterfuge if u go with ss
pearl meteor
Depends how ur stats/gear/talents
acoustic flame
to make it worth it
pearl meteor
Yup
dusky rose
Ya even with sub its less than ma plus double dose or arch
acoustic flame
If it's less with that, then it's less
wheat zealot
Use what sims highest
pearl meteor
Good dd traits will always sim higher if optimized
acoustic flame
on pure single target
pearl meteor
Perfectly optimized dd vs perfect ss dd will sim higher
But ss is better for a lot of mythic fights
tidal sedge
tfw you have to use a thunderous blast piece because it sims higher than ss
i still got 1 lol
pearl meteor
Also if u dont have gcb / exsang / higher end of haste base ss becomes substantially worse
dusky rose
I have 20 percent base without any buffs
acoustic tinsel
when should I be using crimson tempet
dusky rose
And no gcb
acoustic tinsel
on 4+ mobs :
tidal sedge
man i did a +10 shrine of the storms yesterday
tidal sedge
the last boss is literally impossible
dusky rose
Will do
dusky rose
But i generally play sin for pure st
tidal sedge
nah man
wheat zealot
Shit is easy
tidal sedge
when you phase you instantly get grievous
dusky rose
And boss that requires cleave i switch specs
tidal sedge
and the healer is phased
tidal sedge
so if you have grievous when you phase you are just fucked
dusky rose
I see
wheat zealot
You dont take damage in that phase unless an interuot is missed
pearl meteor
But then some line up better with tb over exsang
wheat zealot
So just interupt both adds
pearl meteor
So dd will b better there
wheat zealot
Ez
dusky rose
But i it also makes sense arch or dd would be strong for adds as well
That what i think atleast
tidal sedge
dusky rose
So for now considering i dont have a gcb should i just stick to the traits that sims highest u think
pearl meteor
Yea
acoustic flame
I'd go for ss unless difference on st is substantial
dusky rose
Cause its at 16.8 atm but with ss its 16.6-16.7
pearl meteor
I mean ideally i wld just stick with whats best anyways
acoustic flame
for me it was like 4dps more with ma
pearl meteor
Only time i wld switch is if u had double ss and exsang
dusky rose
Ya for sure
pearl meteor
For burst if needed
dusky rose
I see
dusky rose
Havent reached ferid yet
pearl meteor
Cuz of the dumb burst
dusky rose
But will be doing vectis tomorrow
acoustic flame
ss is good on vectis too
dusky rose
Im assuming add will die quick enough
pearl meteor
Its amazing on vec fetid myth
And ghuun
And can b good for zek but harder to line up
dusky rose
Do u eat haste food over feast?
pearl meteor
No
dusky rose
Makes sense
dusky rose
True
dusky rose
I guess ill try ss tomorrow vs arch and see how well it goes
pearl meteor
Gl
dusky rose
If i clok will stacks go away
pearl meteor
No
dusky rose
Fuck
dusky rose
But it still drops to nearest guy right?
pearl meteor
Yes
U will have 4 grps
And a debuff in each
Passing it around
Try to get it early and get cloak on cd ( along with any other immunities in raid) to prevent stacks early
The later ppl hit 6 stacks the better
dusky rose
I see
dusky rose
Not 12?
pearl meteor
Gl pce
odd wadi
is sharpened blade worth using in pve as a trait if DD is not a choice? (for raid)
hot flume
@dusky rose ppl are fighting to be in my group for Vectis, immunes are really good on this fight
use Cloack on CD and you will me MVP on this fight
Btw Ice Block prevent the stacking as well right ?
pearl meteor
I believe so
Turtle does
My original grp was 2 hunters and me lol
We had like 1 stack going into 2nd intermission
And a boomy/priest
calm grail
Cloak before the debuff expires right on Vectis?
pearl meteor
Mhm
calm grail
Prevents a stack right?
pearl meteor
Yea
calm grail
Sick.
I have been using it occasionally to get rid of immunosuppression since my heals were being potatoes.
But that sounds just as good
pearl meteor
If u time it right u can use it to avoid both
calm grail
True true
lone junco
👀
icy temple
Asking to confirm. After u take the orb on zekvoz can u cloak the fear at the end?
daring imp
mc
icy temple
No. The debuff also fears when it mind controls u
icy temple
Fears the rest of the raid
pearl meteor
Ye
icy temple
Yes...
pearl meteor
Ye u can cloak it
icy temple
I read somewheee rhat loak prevents that
ripe nimbus
The biggest cloak use is on fetid mythic when u get miamasma when it's about to turn big just cloak and it disappears
U save so much room for everyone
Legit mvp
pearl meteor
Lies
ripe nimbus
?? I do it every week lol
pearl meteor
Best one is on myth when u get debuff and can cloak it off instantly to wipe raid
:^)
ripe nimbus
Oh
pearl meteor
Rofl
ripe nimbus
Yah that one
echo geyser
Any assa rogues with fetid mythic kills?
pearl meteor
Ye
echo geyser
is it worth running wound poison for reduced healing on add and fetid?
if that works
pearl meteor
It doesnt
echo geyser
does that mean nightblade doesnt work on sub as well?
pearl meteor
No healing debuff will work if thats what ur asking
echo geyser
Okay thanks
pearl meteor
Np
desert heart
Do you refresh empowered g's with vanish in vendetta window or do you wait for it to tick off before vanish?
pallid spruce
No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade
Garrote
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge
is
there delay
between rupture vendetta mutilate i mean do i try press them as fast afetr each other or rupture vendetta mutilate etc
my garrote end way much faster than in this web rotatio
pallid spruce
i am at envonem second time and garrote ends
pearl meteor
In opener
pallid spruce
is this rotaio for sure the best ?
pearl meteor
Mhm
pallid spruce
cos there should be prob 1 garrote in middle there
like after second mutilate till 4 combo points envom thne garrote and then mutilate
torn hinge
@pallid spruce i usually go
Garrote
Mutilate
Garrote
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
and refresh garrote at 0.1 sec (vanish first ofc)
pallid spruce
but this rotatio in that pag eis false will be over 10 sec with out garrote buff
torn hinge
why do u say that? garrote lasts 18 sec (around 24 if u pandemic), 18s is more than enough for that rotation
verbal sorrel
exsg prbly
pallid spruce
well i at second last envom and garrote ends even i click as fast as human can click buttons rolf
torn hinge
nah that rotaion is for toxic blade
still the most important part is
Garrote
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
envenom
then just follow normal rotation and vanish + garrote at 0.1 sec garrote tiem left
dull osprey
How does exsang feel in pvp?
I recently switched for PvE and like it, but wonder if its OP in pvp
flint swift
Exsang sims 25 dps lower for me 2SS/1Archive but I always seem to do more damage when I run it. Just wondering if I’m maybe doing TB wrong? I usually pool a little energy and position myself with 3-4CP when TB is just about to come off CD so I can try to fit in 3 envenoms. Is that wrong?
flint swift
Maybe it’s just observer bias then or how lusts are lining up or something.
I’ll keep at it and figure it out
ionic charm
Exsang burst is stronger, TB feels worse since your opener is usually lower, and you feel like you are trying to catch up to your old opener
flint swift
Maybe that’s it. Fights are definitely shorter these days
I’ll try simming for shorter fights.
dull osprey
@pearl meteor is it still? Even with the burst damage?
pearl meteor
Mhm
dull osprey
and @flint swift I continually get subpar dps using TB and I was wondering the same. I felt like I was using it right, but idk
I never use it if I'm about to refresh rupt
ionic charm
@pearl meteor I got assigned to small adds on fetid, should I gquit? lol
dull osprey
Just spam as many envenoms as possible
dull osprey
and thanks for the help Anarchy
leaden storm
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round oar
Has assassination changed much from legion besides losing kingsbane and which axerite traits I should be aware of on rotation
fair remnant
Do you vendetta before you have 4+ CPs?
fair remnant
isn't it better to gen 4+ pool energy and then pop it?
pearl meteor
In opener or later which talent etc
round oar
Switching from sub to ass, sub requires too much brain power and tomes between bosses lel
pearl meteor
Eh
nocturne jetty
is there a specific amount of crit haste i should aim for for single target?
pearl meteor
nocturne jetty
so no, gotcha
lament dove
current sub is simpler than assa tbh... it's just that it's more punishing
deft flint
Sub simpler? Really?
marble hemlock
on aoe? yes. on st? no
winter fog
yo seli
watched a vod of you on underrot
and you opened vs 3 targets with ggg then CT
sharp plover
FoK rupture FoK rupture. Real hard. 🐸
marble hemlock
i dont listen to my own advise plenty of times :p
well
when you open on a pack you generally have enough energy left even after going gggct to apply 3 ruptures after without starving energy
flint swift
I really like sin it’s a lot of fun, and I’ve been an outlaw player since legion. The only spec I haven’t messed with is sub
marble hemlock
and thats the actual requirement
flint swift
But I may have to try that out for mythic zul
marble hemlock
so going gggr would be better to make sure you dont run out of energy at any point, going gggct is slightly more dps but only if you dont starve energy at any point after, which you cant know unless you have very high crit and/or exsang+vendetta rdy
round oar
What's ct
marble hemlock
crimson tempest
winter fog
and you said "low cp" ruptures are ok with SoB, as long as they're not 1-2 cp
round oar
👌
winter fog
but you finish with 4-5 cp anyway
so basically what you're saying is 3cp ruptures are ok with SoB? 😄
marble hemlock
they always are at the start of the pull
so you can do 2cp ruptures at the start of the pull, since atleast on bigger pulls youre very likely to refresh them with 5cp ones before they run out anyway
looking at a 10sec opener for example, youre better off getting 2-3 ruptures in there after your opener just for the scent stacks, since 10sec later, 20sec into the pull, your dot-application will look the same regardless
either way, 20sec in, youre gonna have 5-6 ruptures running
getting some early value out of scent is usually better
not just from a raw dps perspective, but also for your energy sustain
winter fog
so ggg CT fok r fok r fok r as long as they're not 1 cp foks?
velvet geyser
That's interesting, I like it.
marble hemlock
usually means 2-3ruptures per CT you cast, with fok as a builder
winter fog
then what? applying 4-5 cp r everywhere
marble hemlock
yup
mileage may vary, keep in mind im running 2x385 scent
so i get 270agi per rupture
hollow stone
Hey seli, you think 345ss w op > 385dd w op for m+? Feelycraft wise, it feels better but that ilvl dip makes my epeen flacid
covert pumice
apple $auce is back
winter fog
tbf I rarely see a pull of 7-8 enemies
marble hemlock
dont think any trait can really compete even at much higher ilvls, other than archive, scent, and maybe tradewinds/blightborne
hollow stone
Yea, thats definitely how it feels. Esp w how fast bosses die on fort weeks
marble hemlock
i havent really done that many pugs, did some drunk ones last night and its definitely a bit different if the tank only pulls like 3-4 mobs at a time
although on those pulls SS is worth even more
the stat-gain ones dont measure up well on smaller pulls, only on big ones
hollow stone
Yea. Thats when ss shines even more. The big pulls, makes sense for sob to end up being better than a 2nd ss
marble hemlock
id love for them to chance scent a little bit
double the value, but limit it to 4 or 5 stacks
hollow stone
Would be nice seeing as how bad it is for st
marble hemlock
making it better for ST and not requiring incessant multi-dotting on aoe
winter fog
@marble hemlock how many targets does it need for you to stop casting garrote aside from subterfuge? 4+?
marble hemlock
current cutoff for me is 4-5, yep
i still use it when my fok returned 4cp and i want to refresh CT with 5cp
i usually garrote in those situations instead of casting another fok
winter fog
seems plausible
marble hemlock
not sure if thats actually better for dps, just seems more efficient
i also non-subter garrote when i wanna exsang or have a high-hp prio target
i.e. the crushers in freehold
main ice
If you don't put garrote, is Rupture enough for you to have enough energy generation tho ?
multi target is sufficient enought ?
marble hemlock
if its 4-5, ye
main ice
ok
marble hemlock
5ruptures is roughly 17.5energy/sec from VW, add to that the 11-12energy/sec baseline, youre sitting at ~30energy/sec
all your aoe styles cost 25 or 35 energy respectively, so thats enough to sustain
mossy hazel
You can only get Spyglass from WQ right?
main ice
Ok that's nice to know thanks
marble hemlock
the on-use one, yes. the dead-eye spyglass drops from siege
mossy hazel
Ohh, I didn't actually realize there were 2
desert pelican
Forget about on use, th1s shit never procced from 330 to 380 like u want ;(
hollow stone
Is deadeye good for aoe? Like, will the stacks stack from fok, type-o-thing? Anyone know?
marble hemlock
ye
marble hemlock
spyglass procs on one target, and you can either switch and auto-attack it, or youll get the 5stacks just from hitting it with fok/ct
mossy hazel
Bah, yep, no proc
haughty flame
guys
mossy hazel
And gals. Don't be sexist
haughty flame
is having +1 SS a neccesary thing, because i just got 1 DD chest which replaces my Uldir piece which has SS
main ice
Depends on ilvl, other trait
hollow stone
For raid, ss is ehh
hollow stone
Ss is like middle pack trait on st
haughty flame
so my garrote opener is 1 cb and not 3
hollow stone
Go w the sim for raid
main ice
So it's better
haughty flame
it is better
main ice
Just adapt your opener
haughty flame
just my rotation will change
main ice
yeah
hollow stone
Yea
haughty flame
is this reliable 2 sec
main ice
You have rotations on raevnholdt without ss
haughty flame
daring cape
What is the pass ?
mossy hazel
Also depends on if you're using Subterfuge or Master Assassin
daring imp
slate bear
hey guys, should i stack inner traits or pick differents?
daring imp
3x overwhelming power is uber fun/strong
inner pulsar
Yo yo yo
cedar elk
So with no SS traits, master ass is doing like 1% more damage, is the best time to use it after you drop 4-5 rupture, vanish into mutilate & envenom?
with vendetta up
cedar elk
Yeah thats what I was doing, ok good
mossy hazel
At least that's what my APL says I should be doing
cedar elk
I have this stupid ass azerite hood piece that has poisoned knife or w.e and its so clunky cause it pops at the worst times with low energy
inner pulsar
Correct. G > Mut > R > Mut to 4 > V > TB > Vanish > Env > Mut (pray for 4cp) > Env
cedar elk
Alright cool, exactly how i was doing it
and then if vanish is up again, make sure garrote and rupture are full ticking and TB is on the target before you vanish again right?
inner pulsar
If you Ven right after Rupture, nbd. If you Vanish before TB, nbd
cedar elk
Were still following the guide right, G > mut x4-5cb > R >Mut to 4 > V > TB > Vanish etc
inner pulsar
Don't need to be full, Rup should be +12 seconds, Garrote can be refreshed inside of TB if necessary
cedar elk
Ok, sounds good
Ill have to play around with it to see
with 1 mut and one thats 4-5 cp
inner pulsar
Yes, but my point was that the difference in sim dps from placement of Vend and TB in the sequence is so small that it doesn't matter much
cedar elk
gotcha
inner pulsar
If you like to Vend right after Rupture, go ahead and live your life dawg
cedar elk
Is that what youre doing? curious
I always like to try different rotations to give them a shot
inner pulsar
No, I follow the rotation I posted as closely as I can
cedar elk
Gotcha
wheat zealot
Vendetta and vanish will be better aligned if you hold it til after you mut once
Only difference, and its very minimal
inner pulsar
But I'm that guy that KNOWS the rotation, and apparently fails at executing it haha
OHHHHH shit, First Mate's Spyglass is a reward today on Ally NA
cedar elk
pray to the warforge gods
inner pulsar
Yeah, have faith Michee, gah
cedar elk
i have a 390 trinket from fetid which i can't seem to replace
inner pulsar
I mean, I know you are right
But II'm running a 345 dice for M Zul, so it will probably be better
cedar elk
Im at like 80% mastery for zul, problem is fuckers like to pad on adds this week and the rogues got fucked so hard
inner pulsar
I did claw my way into the 17k sim last night after our kill because I got the shoulders, which allowed me to use my 385 helm
Our folks are pretty good, we actually had 2 attempts where the crawgs exploded because they WEREN'T dying
cedar elk
yeah ours was opposite first set, we lost 2 in like 5 seconds
and then 2nd set we only had 2 up i believe
inner pulsar
My Zul set is bad, I have to drop a lot of agility and crit to get my mastery high enough to stack in Reorg Array
cedar elk
I was just taking enchants out from the bank and gems everytime
my mastery was 1 point higher than crit
ecks dee
inner pulsar
Fuck..... 330
cedar elk
for array to work
inner pulsar
I blame you @strange python and your bad vibes
strange python
Im a pessimist, and at least I dont get disappointed 😄
Decided that after getting shitty boots from weekly 4 times in a row
cedar elk
same 330, rip
inner pulsar
So yeah, not looking forward to Mythrax progression, we are so melee heavy
cedar elk
Yea i sat for mythrax, we killed him in 80 pulls, wasn't that bad
hollow stone
Im an optimistic pessimist, we call ourselves realists
Theyre making me play my mage... @inner pulsar
cedar elk
I'd still rather be on the bench than play my spriest tho
bitter nacelle
Anyone know where I can find a list of our BiS
inner pulsar
Fetid is an absolute nightmare, I have to do Corpuscles, which while I know isn't optimal, isn't a big deal. Its when I turn around to run to the Mutated mass, and EVERY FUCKING RANGE IS STANDING IN THE WAY.
tawdry canyon
in m+ do yall run multiple SS or just 1?
inner pulsar
Most run multiple if they have them @tawdry canyon
hollow stone
Raidbots.com. Sim yo self @bitter nacelle
hollow stone
You will never get bis with how loot works now
tawdry canyon
@inner pulsar thanks, i got a 370 shoulder but it has scent of blood, and my 340 shoulders are SS 😡 i just wnat 370 SS
inner pulsar
@tawdry canyon SoB is not bad, I would sim it out. But if your only SS trait is that 340, it would probably be better
I don't know, I do one M+ a week, because I hate them
tawdry canyon
i got 355 SS chest, ive simmed it with 355 SoB shoulders ( i just got the 370 a minute ago), and the 340 SS was higher than 355 SoB, ill check with 370 tho
hollow stone
Too much scrolling imo. But if you scroll back about n hour, seli was in here dropping knowledge bombs for m+
Good luck, sir
inner pulsar
Apparently I have only done 13 M+ total on my Rogue since launch of BFA
hollow stone
That explains a lot. HEH, gotem
inner pulsar
6/8 M, come at me bro
hollow stone
Ikr 😦
inner pulsar
Lol
At this point, beyond trying to fish up a better Dice or GCB, I don't think there is much of a reason to do M+ beyond a 10 a week
hollow stone
Yea. I mean, depends on your gear, but agreed
inner pulsar
For me at least, who doesn't enjoy them
hollow stone
Or if you wanna push for the sake of pushing, which can be fun
inner pulsar
BoP Leather boots and pants, worth leveling LW for you think?
hollow stone
Did an 11 temple only to make it to last boss w 7mins n then our rdruid ragequit cause "it is impossible to heal this on grievous"
inner pulsar
Rocking 370 right now, but we are into Mythic obviously at this point
inner pulsar
Word
hollow stone
No clue. All speculation
inner pulsar
CBD oil
strange python
I have like 400 sang
inner pulsar
So negative
hollow stone
Seems likely
hollow stone
I mean, as somebody who doesnt want to farm herbs, i approve
inner pulsar
Lawl, I have 639 Sanguicell
candid mica
that's it?
shadow pivot
as someone with my bank fulfilled of plants I still like this. who tf cares about gold, they're used for comps anyway.
hollow stone
Agi pots are hella expensive
marble hemlock
spending ~100k a day on agi pots for m+ sucks, woudl be nice to finally dump the prices a bit :x
shadow pivot
yes, but pots/flasks gonna be cheaper if their is more access to plants via sanguicell?
why the negativity 'bout that
hollow stone
Except a lot less than 100k a day for us normies
inner pulsar
Ran through 25k worth of pots last night on Zul
$4.25 based on current token price, actually not bad
hollow stone
Pretty ridiculous
Need to sell more heroic clears
Or aotc runs
And have guild supply
😏
inner pulsar
Eh, at least we get feasts and flasks
inner pulsar
Yeah, but when I work out the value of my time, selling tokens makes more sense than any other endevor for me haha
hollow stone
Yup. It sure does. From a time spent v $ spent
But fuck that
Annnnnyway, sin stuff
inner pulsar
Right
I about shizzamed myself when I got the shoulders last night, I had zero Archive traits before
hollow stone
Oh baby. I got 370 ss shoulders from emissary yesterday, also splooshed
inner pulsar
So now running 385 TtK and Archive, 370 DD
inner pulsar
I guess I just pray for a 385 DD or TtK chest from cache? Or BB I guess too
hollow stone
Yea. Bb is not bad. And it looks pretty too
haughty flame
wuts bb?
hollow stone
Blightbourne
hollow stone
Youll adjust. But it def feels weird at the start lol
calm grail
Swap out BB with DiTB and we got the same gear.
hollow stone
Nice 😃
Idk which i would prefer, tough call lol
Probably bb cause then i can pay less attention
hollow stone
I mean, bb is passive. It just looks pretty. Ditb has no visual, afaik
So from a "fun perspective", whatever
calm grail
That's what I'm thinking. Especially with DD.