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#assassination
tough whale
strange hatch
Any maybe farming efforts
desert vault
yeah need to get on the Siege train and ride it for a while, has a couple good pieces
tough whale
all my trinkets drop at a nice even 370 >.<
tough whale
i run dice gcb in m+. I really like it.
strange hatch
See that’s my issue just got one procc although it’s a 395 .. besides that “only” sockets
glass tusk
guys whats the parsing strat on mythic vectis?
tough whale
There's very little you can do as you wont parse well unless you kill before the 10% liquify
the 4th? i think?
inner pulsar
Yeah, more to do with your kill speed than anything
Other than executing your rotation correctly
tough whale
Yep
glass tusk
ok thnaks
iron prism
@glass tusk have you tried to get his hp to 0 before yours?
glass tusk
i hope they gonna start banning here
inner pulsar
@iron prism Memes and bants are for OT
iron prism
@inner pulsar Gotcha. Thanks.
wispy thunder
Google is pulling anything up but should I just keep stacking x3 Archive or take one SS. x3 Archive sims higher but idk
isn't*
I just said I ran a sim lol, just asking for an opinion
iron prism
you don't want more than 1 archive
fading spade
Try Top Gear sim on raidbots
inner pulsar
Most people's opinion is going to be trust the sim
iron prism
archive is only worth about 3.25% dps and the reorigination is about 4%
but subsequent stacks of archive are only 3.25%
inner pulsar
That is not accurate information, more than 1 Archive could very well be better than another trait
fluid drift
might be worth to take one SS if there are extra adds you can cleave on with vanish garrote
wispy thunder
I did Top Gear but it kept saying to roll with x3 Archive thats why I was asking, thank you all, I appreciate it
iron prism
DD, ditb, champion, blightborne are > archive
fluid drift
it's not like we know what ilvl his pieces are though
inner pulsar
I don't remember him mentioning having any of those
iron prism
@wispy thunder depends on your talents too, MA is gonna parse better with archive for sure
@wispy thunder depending on adds SS may parse better with subterfuge
wispy thunder
Okay thank you. I got a bunch of hoarded Azerite gear gonna go digging
inner pulsar
Good luck
wispy thunder
tyty
iron prism
Yep just remember the nexus between traits vs talents, reorigination array doesn’t stack, and that m+ or AOE (to some extent) shrouded is gonna pull ahead
desert vault
no sense in changing my ring enchants with crit and haste that close right?
inner pulsar
@desert vault I probably wouldn't
iron prism
@desert vault you may want to sim it as AOE to see if there’s a difference there worth changing but I doubt it
possible that they weigh the same in patchwerk but different AOE. Or if you have different gear sets (I.e. SS and subterfuge set for m+)
desert vault
I run 1x SS in raid, 2x SS in m+ and subterfuge in both. I just need better rings, ones I've got are pretty trashy really
need a good freehold and good siege ring
i'm doing ss, blight, archive in raid and same three pieces just swapping to second SS for m+ prolly
got lucky with a shoulder that is ss/blight along with raid chest and head for ss and archive
supple compass
Anybody just not having fun with bfa dungeons compared to legion? They’re just so much more stressful
desert vault
freehold is easy, shrine is silly
siege is ok after first boss which is kind of dumb
I haven't run many honestly, don't care much about score just trying to get gear after a late start into bfa
royal lantern
they are more fun BECAUSE they are not faceroll anymore lol
supple compass
It just seems so unnecessary for every trash pull to have some kind of lethal mechanic
royal lantern
so many m+ dungeons in legion where just´´hard´´ because at high m+ lvl stuff turned into 1hit kills
supple compass
And none of them seem to have been designed with the affixes in mind
flint swift
i actually like that @supple compass
certain affixes make certain dungeons a nightmare
which is imo the way it should be
primal gazelle
does leeching help with this week affix? or is it not strong enough to make an impact
royal lantern
they turned m+ into something that is a actuall challange, legion m+ was facerolling until shit 1hit killed you, then you played classes that avoid the 1hit
supple compass
I also think adding tyrannical/fort to sub 10s was stupid
I don’t see the logic behind that
royal lantern
because m+ was a joke until you reached +10, wich was a sudden difficulty spike?
9+ was easy as hell because stuff died so fast, then you got +10 and suddenly adds/bosses had much more hp/dmg
uncut mango
Rip me all I wanted was azerite with ss trait from box for m+
And I got 385 dd shoulders
vapid moth
@uncut mango I'll take em
inner pulsar
Having any hopes at all about what you will receive from weekly box is a losing proposition
dark crag
Do the good luck dance first
uncut mango
I opened all my other characters boxes first
inner pulsar
Set your sights low, and you will be pleasantly surprised, just like life
uncut mango
Can’t be disappointed when your expectations are non existent anyways 
inner pulsar
Pretty much what I'm saying yeah
drifting elbow
at least azerites are small disappointment nowadays when u can get 370 caches 
inner pulsar
Not in NA apparently, we've had 1 so far I think
uncut mango
Today is #3 for NA horde
neat totem
Horde NA has had 3
drifting elbow
just had 3 caches since change in EU ally
dark crag
Eu horde 1
inner pulsar
I could be bad at counting, it is possible
uncut mango
It’s zuldazar today and it’s an azerite box
supple compass
Are people actually running 3x DDs?
drifting elbow
no
inner pulsar
Any NA Alliance want to confirm my number, or tell me I'm a dummy?
drifting elbow
gotta be lucky sleepy
inner pecan
@inner pulsar have had 2 since the 370 changes
neat totem
i still have a 385 chest where my best trait is ruinous bolt....
inner pulsar
@inner pecan Thanks
inner pecan
yes
glacial steppe
tfw
when your guild builds a melee heavy raid and you have to move away from zek voz for every eye beam
never good logs
glacial steppe
we are like 9 melees or so
strange hatch
yes.
late niche
cool
strange hatch
a week ago +-
mossy hazel
Wow, 380 wf dagger from M+ chest and a 370 DD head from emissary. This is a good day
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mJ2G7aaLPbGmprHqKN371g
buoyant coyote
Are there anyone working to get rogue wowanalyzer up 😃 ?
mossy hazel
I mean, It hasn't been working since at least 7.3, so probably not?
mossy hazel
Yea, I didn't come back to game until december last year, and it wasn't working then
dense blaze
Been playing with MA and it feels garbo
mossy hazel
In raid, simplify?
dense blaze
Yeah
buoyant coyote
So im assuming im playing my class rigth now
was playing with my guild during an alt run to see how i am doing as a sin
abit low Envenom uptime though
sturdy python
mossy hazel
Uhh, Your opener is wrong if you have SS
buoyant coyote
oh I though that how it was suppose to be played 😮
mossy hazel
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
mossy hazel
And you envenomed before TB
buoyant coyote
yea...
SO G-R-G-VE-TB-EN- Multi 4+- Env- Vanish Garrote, rapture garrote ? Or just do 2 garrote
mossy hazel
You should be able to just garrote garrote
But you can sim it and look at the APL to be sure
best way to get optimal rotation
buoyant coyote
outside opener , i think im doing ok?
mossy hazel
I didn't look that far, I'm not good at analysing the specifcs on uptime and stuff like that. Warcraft logs are better for that
A lot more tools in there to handle that kind of stuff
Like how m any envenoms you got in each of your TB windows, using TB on CD stuff like that
buoyant coyote
Im not spamming my EN at all atm
trying to keep my uptime up instead of spamming em out
sick monolith
Someone told me a week ago with my gear i should be using Exsanguinate over TB. It which sims higher in dps but is there a reason other than "more dps" as to why Exsanguinate over TB?
mossy hazel
I personally like exsang better, but I'm going to give MA/TB a shot tonight because it sims 1.2% higher for me right now
red plaza
elvui ui//nameplates//general//classbar
ripe geyser
@red plaza thx alot
devout glen
Do u take 0 dmg with cloak on zek voz dance if u need to run out and drop
dark crag
Yes
marsh bloom
How does SS increase your damage by so fucking much
does it increase the Dot damage as well?
shrewd bane
honest needle
sims want me to use sharpen bladeshttps://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p8XUcBrEAGzLp7iazZkUyn Does this mess with my rotation how do i use this trait correctlyy ?
I mean sharpen blades
visual token
Ew
marsh bloom
lol yea
visual token
Like I’d go against sim on that one
honest needle
but its 385
should i use it just use a different trait
meticulous scheming is 1.0 behind
desert cloud
Hey Guys! I'm new here, can someone help me with Weak Auras ?
torn hornet
would you guys go rezan's or twist the knife
both are very similar on herodamage
385
honest needle
so do u guys recommned goign sharpended blades with that sim i posted or use a different azerite piece or use meticulous scheming thats 1.0 behind
drifting elbow
those questions, are all about ur preference in the end
do u want to use that trait or not
marsh bloom
does ss make you deal more dot damage?
drifting elbow
idk tbh, since i dont really have non SS gear to check it
i have at least 1 SS for everything since its one of my highest ilvl azerite
buoyant ember
Every week I get pumped about the mythic chest... and every week Im disappointed...
marsh bloom
how do you turn on and off the reorrigination array in simulation craft app?
vale crane
bis trinkets?
languid goblet
Could you help me out with trinket recommendations for mythic+ ? I can list some i have to chose from.
Fathoms, Lustruous golden plumage (370), Harlans Loaded Dice (365), Galcecallers boon (365)
north crane
harlan and glace are the best trinkets in theory but you should sim it
karmic ingot
Dice and plumage for spaz PUG tanks. Dice and GCB for good tanks that you know won’t waste it.
languid goblet
I sim, but mostly for single target.
marsh bloom
Then sim for aoe?
karmic ingot
They are gonna sim really close together.
north crane
try 4 target patchwerk 40 sec
languid goblet
Okay, thanx for input.
north crane
for m+
marsh bloom
oh god I would never use Galecallers for M+ IMO
thorn pasture
Its big af if u have a good tank
sturdy python
dang, within a few days i got a 385 SS helm, 370 SS chest, and 370 SS shoulders
marsh bloom
anyone know how to turn off reorigination array in simulation craft?
sturdy python
game trying to get me to dump outlaw
marsh bloom
DUMP THAT BITCH
fossil agate
@marsh bloom the advanced settings set reorigination at 0
desert cloud
wich is the best weakaura for Assassination Rogue ?
karmic ingot
That’s like asking who has the best opinion.
fossil agate
All down to prefrence on weakauras
marsh bloom
I'm not talking about he website @fossil agate
marsh bloom
SS is best for M+
sturdy python
I know, I said ST
marsh bloom
but the guide does leave out a thing or 2
oh
lol
well that's not true....
lol it's above the 2 raid traits...
sturdy python
Should probably be updated to explain double dose and array stacks
raw torrent
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
drifting elbow
366, galecaller certainly isnt bad in m+
u just need to know what those specific packs will cause
rarely there is mobs that shoos u away from GC water ring
as long u do interrupts and stuns
desert vault
I just got my gcb today and going to try dice and it for a bit. Seems like it will be strong.
ripe geyser
Why is my Details so fucked up? Just re-downloaded it and now it looks like this >.<
civic palm
What's messed up with it? Seems fine.
ripe geyser
That my garrote is marked with 2
I hope blizz havent nerfed us that hard so our Rupture hits for 2 dmg Kappa
civic palm
I seeee... dunno.
ripe geyser
It's keeping track on how many times the spell have done damage instead of the damage it have done
spice surge
ripe geyser
Ye, and I cannot find anywhere to change that D:
bright shale
hi guys. How do I see the rotation raidbots does
I just lost SS for raiding
want to see how to do rotation now~
snow spear
Does Raidbots take into account archive of the titans stacking/or act as though you are in uldir?
bright shale
yes
snow spear
Ty
inner pulsar
@bright shale Go to the simcraft website and look at the APL for Assassin Rouge
Rogue
inner pulsar
Wut?
north terrace
@bright shale like did you sim yo self? said, you can look at the APL, then if you look under "Sample Sequence Table" under that you can see the actual rotation that the sim is using
You just have to click on "Full HTML Report" from your sim
safe root
each sim will give you an APL
north terrace
Then go to APL, then Sample Sequence Table
safe root
^
bright shale
I am asking how to get to the APL
north terrace
APL doesn't really help much with how to open and stuff honestly... you really have to know how to pick it apart or you're probably going to miss some important "if this, then this" situation and do things incorrectly... sample sequence table will give you the opener... beyond that the APL may be best
bright shale
From raidbots
north terrace
I just told you lol
bright shale
ty
north terrace
Click on "Full HTML Report" on your sim, it'll be under the sim conditions on the side of it, then on that page click APL, then Sample Sequence Table under the APL
inner pulsar
For the record, there is no such thing as "Your APL", you can see the rotation that was executed in that particular simulation, as @north terrace just described, but there is only one APL
Well, more specifically, only one APL being referenced by Raidbots
bright shale
I'll be real. I'm not seeing it. I am in the HTML report.
north terrace
Yeah the APL is just the action priority list... it's the same regardless of anything to do with you
safe root
ctrl+f Action Priority List
north terrace
APL takes into account the traits and all that stuff, that's why it can be hard to understand it
inner pulsar
@north terrace Right, I think the advice you gave is better, for most it will make more sense to view it in that way
north terrace
Sorry, yeah it says Action Priority List, not APL
bright shale
@safe root no result for sample sequence table
north terrace
Sample Sequence table is a sub-bullet to the Action Priority List
bright shale
oh it's in a tab~
north terrace
So you have to open the Action Priority List bullet first
inner pulsar
APL will give you the "why" , but if all you need is the "what happened" sequence table is better
safe root
yeah, apl first to expand
bright shale
Ok perfect this is the rotation I was doing.
safe root
nice
bright shale
Feels good to finally hit over 16k lol
north terrace
@inner pulsar Yeah, for sure. The only reason I don't suggest people reading the APL is that it can be pretty difficult to pare down into useful information unless you really know what you're looking at since it accounts for hundreds of variables
bright shale
My cache today was unreal
north terrace
feelsbadman... I got 370 Pistoleer's Spaulders from mine... 😦
bright shale
385 shoulder upgrade + 380 dagger
north terrace
Still using Rezan's shoulders because I can't get anything better
languid goblet
is 370 dead eye spyglass > 365 harlans loaded dice? for m+.
north terrace
Harlan's is pretty nice in M+ since it just goes and gives you buffs throughout.. I dunno. There is a way to setup sims for M+ . I think it might be in the pins in the TC channel
nimble tartan
bro why did nobody say meticulous scheming is actually sleeper op for sin
had one pull testing it out 38% uptime on 800 haste...me best stat..
languid goblet
what about 370 dead eye spyglass vs 370 lustrous golden plumage ?
and ill keep the 365 harlans.
strange python
Scheming is dogshit
marsh bloom
scheming?
nimble tartan
im tellin u meticulous scheming is alot better than we think
marsh bloom
what is scheming?
nimble tartan
u can proc it so easily cause u just use tricks
or some dumb shit like evasion off gcd
huge uptime 800 haste...
marsh bloom
oh lol
strange python
Thats why its so low on sims right
warm geode
it is reasonable to ask to separete reorigination array from LM and Archive on hero damage to compare better ( not 100% sure, just better ) the traits?
drifting elbow
....u can turn RA off in options...
warm geode
@drifting elbow where on herodamage?
marsh bloom
or get simulation craft
warm geode
but im saying on herodamage
north terrace
Herodamage has a sim that shows them without any RA stacks..
There are 3 inputs for both traits
marsh bloom
LOL
drifting elbow
xd
north terrace
One with no RA, one with +5 and one with +10... not sure why you'd need anything more?
drifting elbow
whats the help u need dinged?
drifting elbow
just pick one u like
doesnt make difference in raids
though ofc skill with using those abilities matter
xd
potent dew
Are you asking whether you should use tb or ex in raid?
marsh bloom
yes
sturdy python
Just use what you like
potent dew
It depends on the fight really
sturdy python
I mean exs will give you nice burst windows
potent dew
Ex is really good for short burst phases
potent dew
Like it will prob out perform on fetid
drifting elbow
not really, unless u expect add to live full dot dmg windows
frosty violet
Use the one you like... Unless you're already parsing above 90% it literally won't matter
potent dew
Because of the extra damage taken
sturdy python
TB isn't as strong in those windows no
marsh bloom
how will it out perform fetid?
potent dew
I'm just saying for instance
potent dew
I use ex on taloc because of the intermission
sturdy python
I simmed the same between the two after getting another SS piece. I'm playing ex cause I enjoy it more
marble hemlock
if youre progressing, go full ST on mother/taloc, exsang on zekvoz, TB on vectis, exsang on fetid if youre on big add, TB on fetid if youre on small add, sub for zul, exsang for mythrax/ghuun
drifting elbow
something like that
marsh bloom
why exsang on zek?
drifting elbow
marsh bloom
don't you just use it on zek'voz?
potent dew
Like I said if there small burst windows then ex will out perform probably
marble hemlock
most of the important adds on any of these bosses spawn in intervals that make exsang a bit better for them
marsh bloom
oh it's mythic progression so you probably use it on the add huh?
Does SS make the Dot deal more damage as well?
marble hemlock
depending on strat you get 1exsang in on first webweavers, and 2 on the subsequent ones. webweavers spawn every 2minutes, so it always lines up with vanish, meaning you get subterfuge exsang off
potent dew
Either one. Just make sure you catch an early orb in phase 3 and dump your burst
marble hemlock
its unlikely youre gonna get more damage on the weavers with TB, unless you run like 2xDD or smth like that, and weaver damage is probably the most important thing during progression, apart from movement-related mechanics
marsh bloom
I have 2xDD lol
marble hemlock
could try TB then and compare the numbers after a couple of tries
marble hemlock
well, for hc it literally doesnt matter
frozen karma
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
frozen karma
anyone has a decent WA for sharpened blades?
marsh bloom
When I actually sim on the simulationcraft app
it's like a 230 dps difference....
lol
@drifting elbow any idea why?
drifting elbow
versions matter
ornate mantle
Hi guys i have a question about the web guide of assasination
For your weapon enchants you should use the two secondary stats that your scale factors says is highest rather than two of the same one
but i dont understand what it means
and where wich enchant should go
drifting elbow
are u using latest updated app dinged
marsh bloom
I'm using the most recent one
drifting elbow
whats the version
north terrace
@ornate mantle you should sim "stat weights" on raidbots.com
marsh bloom
801-01
north terrace
It will tell you what your statweights are... get the highest 2... put those on your weapon
drifting elbow
thats not latest
ornate mantle
@north terrace yes but what i do not understand is should i use two same enchants of the secondary or one of the highest and the other of the secondary
north terrace
One of the highest other of the second highest
quick echo
Your top 2 @ornate mantle
north terrace
The enchants have diminishing returns. using 2 of the same one doesn't give 2 times the value
No
quick echo
No.
drifting elbow
is linking simc site allowed here?
drifting elbow
yes but u have to go past main site
candid phoenix
Guys give me ur opinion. should i be worried, happy or frustrated about those stat weights?
placid elbow
candid phoenix
like agility is 4th xD
i m not even sure if the agility pot is more dmg than the bursting blood
rotund cobalt
yep, that's pretty normal around that ilvl
frozen karma
does sharpened blades' dmg increase with toxic blade?
or is it physical dmg and it doesnt matter
marble hemlock
what does it say in the tooltip
frozen karma
it just says x dmg, no physical or poison
marble hemlock
weird that it doesnt say in the tooltip
was trying to be a smartass, but blizzard foiled my plans 😦
doesnt get increased by TB, to answer your question
frozen karma
thank you
drifting elbow
imagine this so called secondary stat balance was supposed to be on low end, but they are rising before second raid is released 
candid phoenix
yeah and these sims are w/o array
if i use array in the sim the stat weight looks like a huge mess
marble hemlock
what do you mean by huge mess?
marble hemlock
grats
bright shale
granted, it's heroic lol
candid phoenix
gz vlare
candid phoenix
doesnt matter, performance has to begin from lower brackets
i mean that sims cant properly calculate my array stacks. bcs i currently have 40 more crit that haste, so i have to eat food buff to make array go haste
but the weapon enchant procs, mess up array mid fight
so Sims cant rly calculate what array buff is gonna dominate during the fight
candid phoenix
so if i sim stat weights with array at 7, it sends crit from 2nd to last
strange python
^
marble hemlock
north terrace
array changes whenever your actual rating changes
marble hemlock
yes, ingame it does
but not for the sim
for the sim it takes it from combat start, and then it stay that way for the rest of the encounter, and there is currently no way to change that unless the devs manage to do it differently
candid phoenix
well i specifically set the options, to make my array be haste, by manually adding haste food in the option
but it still made it crit
candid smelt
The array can still change randomly, you’d have to set your stats properly
strange python
its not possible if haste is ur highest stat
candid smelt
Then it would go to crit
candid phoenix
crit is last, so it cant be haste on the array
candid phoenix
tahts my actual stats w/o food buff
but u can see the fish and chips on the right
marble hemlock
ye
marble hemlock
im guessing it takes the base stats, then applies the array, then takes all the pre-encounter buffs
candid phoenix
right now i have 1082 crit and 1046 haste
candid phoenix
so Sim didnt even add the haste food
marble hemlock
and manually edit the 70haste to the gear summary at the end
that should force haste-array instead of crit
candid phoenix
let me do it agian then
keen spruce
naw i'm only 1/8
candid phoenix
u cant do lego parses on mother if u arent in the last grp to cross
keen spruce
friend guild
candid phoenix
its impossible
inner pulsar
How much do y'all think the sim is overvaluing Ditb?
strange python
I think that ditb is dogshit
keen spruce
it assumes that you're always behind your target
so probably a lot
I'm just stacking double dose
- reorig
candid phoenix
i m running with Rezan's Fury for weeks now
keen spruce
still have a rezan's on my chest
candid phoenix
and its doing 3%+
candid phoenix
its not the best, but i dont have DD
i m currently running archive(head) DD(shoulders) Rezan(Chest)
keen spruce
same but lazer head
strange python
I know that this is for priest, but look at the sims for ditb from front vs from the back https://warcraftpriests.com/shadow-azerite-trait-analysis/
inner pulsar
Alright, so would you run the second set with DD or the equipped set with DitB?
keen spruce
i mean the trait damage doesn't change
does it?
still DitB from the front is asscheeks
candid phoenix
@inner pulsar why dont i see enchants gems? 😄
civic palm
That's the issue, same as SB, the SIM demands specific play.
strange python
You cant always be behind a target especially on prog
With a lot of mechanics
So itd be best to drop ditb
keen spruce
I mean DD sims super high right now and it completely passive
so i'm stickin with it until things change
inner pulsar
It is 250 dps in my gear, 1.5%
candid phoenix
DD is superb atm
inner pulsar
For the record I'm not arguing with y'all, just talking it out
candid phoenix
and problem with ditb is that it cant calculate those few times u will have to attack boss on the front
inner pulsar
Yeah
candid phoenix
the majority right now say that 2DD and 1 AotT is the best combo
but 2 DD requires huge luck on weekly
when Subs get their bis traits from raid azerites
lime briar
does herodamage take into account the different agi stats between ilvls for azerite traits or is it the trait only
strange python
i bet it takes ilvl too
bitter umbra
whats the strongest horde race?
strange python
it has an extra table for that
candid phoenix
for assa ? @bitter umbra
bitter umbra
or in general for rogue
strange python
it compares azerite traits if you stack them (same i-lvl) and a table that compares the traits on different i-lvl pieces
candid phoenix
well Orc is a solid choice, and so is Maghar orc
Troll is only super for assa tho
candid phoenix
tauren rogue
candid phoenix
GIEF
strange python
bro
marble hemlock
orc all the way
strange python
Just pick w/e race u want rofl
bitter umbra
if i choose ill make myself a thot belf
bitter umbra
thanks guys
marble hemlock
for an actual answer
emphasis on the x axis, so the difference between the best and the worst horde race is about 1%
choose whichever spec you may want to play to see the comparison for those
warped hazel
What do you Guys think of the dooms wake trinket? Ive seen people recommand galecallers + loaded dice but ive got all 3 at Ilvl 360-370..
honest needle
is potion of prolong power still worth using for mythic plus or anything because the agility potions are making me broke
I cant afford anything
marble hemlock
agi potions are much much better, but as you said pretty damn expensive if youre doing a lot of runs
urban berry
how important is your main hand weapon compared to offhand? had 355 main hand and 340 offhand but pvp cache let me upgrade my offhand to 370, should i make 370 main hand or does it not matter
honest needle
is prolong power still decent ?
marble hemlock
@urban berry the secondary statgain on weapons is pretty insignificant, the only stat that somewhat increases is agi and obviously the weapon dps. in most situations a 15ilvl increse on the OH is worth just for those 2, even if the secondary stats are utter garbage
marble hemlock
NA or EU?
honest needle
na
marble hemlock
cause teeming/volcanic was pretty damn good
grievous/sanguine, right?
a lot of people expect it to be complete shit
urban berry
i got 355 with quick nav MH, and 370 deadly nav on offhand, should i just swap them around or is it irrelevant which hand they are on
marble hemlock
sanguine is actually a problem in bfa, and we havent had a grievous week yet so it remains to be seen how healers can handle it
urban berry
newish to rogue sorry
marble hemlock
you should generally have the higher ilvl weapon in your MH
pulsar goblet
You mean always
marsh bloom
500 more damage with 370 DD Elemental whirl shoulders using MA than using 340 SS Heed my call Subterfuge
shell saffron
heed my call got nerfed its the weakest t2 now i think
marble hemlock
which enchant you put where doesnt really matter, although im a strong believer of putting them in alphabetical order from left to right, meaning deadly MH, quick OH
worn bison
385 DS 385 DS 370 DS 
what luck
sucks i have to sacrifice one 385 piece for reorigination array
marsh bloom
Thanks guide lol
shell saffron
how reliable are warcraftlogs %ilvl rating? or do i have to compare that to another metric
ruby pelican
385 blightborne or 340 SS for mythic+? other 2 traits are 345 SS, 370 SS
shell saffron
u only need 1 SS right
ruby pelican
well the more ss, the better for mythic+ right?
near seal
stupid question, but when running exsang and crimson tempest, when should you ensang on add packs in M+? Once you stack a few ruptures and Crimson Tempest is rolling?
marble hemlock
no one really cares about ilvl ratings
shell saffron
i thought it doesnt stack anymore
marble hemlock
the damage still stacks
the CP part never stacked
so nothing changed
@near seal general opener for aoe is g g g ct fok (fok) rup exsang
can switch that around to g g g rup exsang fok (fok) ct
exsang only applies to your target, not all targets
marble hemlock
so you use it early for more energy gain via venomous wounds
near seal
very cool, much appreciated :p
quiet marten
/wa
ruby pelican
hmm yeah, so what do you guys think? 385 blightborne or 340 SS for mythic+? other 2 traits are 345 SS, 370 SS
quiet marten
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
rugged snow
is the opener from Ravenholdt still viable
marble hemlock
SS
urban berry
any weak auras so i know how many ruptures i have up at any time
ruby pelican
simming pretty high in herodamage m+
marble hemlock
urban berry
cheers
marble hemlock
herodamage sim still does 2xgarrote instead of 3, so its still severely undervaluing SS
unless that changed somehow, but theres been no update regarding the m+ apl since the change that included some restealths in the 7minute sim, so id assume it still only does 2G instead of 3G on every stealth opener/vanish
balmy perch
first 385... too bad the skills are not too good
dagger in the back, twist the knife
shell saffron
twist is good for pvp
tacit steppe
I got that too actually, good outlul trait at least? FeelsBadMan
balmy perch
deadshot for outlaw
tacit steppe
Ik
balmy perch
overwhelming power is nice i guess
somber moon
How nerfed is ditb in pvp?
ripe geyser
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
cobalt gyro
so apparently my assassin sims best with venom rush and marked for death, but that sounds honestly really awful? like i feel like it'd struggle massively with bosses
calm grail
So does DiTB sim better than it actually performs?
shell saffron
ditb sims at 100% back procs
hollow stone
Set it n forget it > having to pay attention imo
crisp hollow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xNjDXTKq3tafkrz6#fight=3&type=damage-done anyone mind telling me what went wrong in this pull? I was group 5 out of 7 to cross so i wasn't full uptime and p3 was over hella fast but maybe im missing something else
small folio
what are yalls openers while using master assassin?
hollow mica
@mossy hazel got head azerite piece and 375 back from Fetid 
crisp hollow
garrote-mut to full cp - rupture - vendetta- mut- tb
mossy hazel
Nice!
crisp hollow
then regular tb cycle into regular rotation
idk if you vanish at the end, i usually dont bother
hollow mica
My bonus rolls were both sad af
small folio
hmm so a normal rotation, i finally have 2 double doses so im trying it out in tonights raid instead of 2SS and archive so i was just wondering if there was any tricks to maximizing DPS
lethal swallow
@balmy perch @tacit steppe WTF I got the same thing...
lethal swallow
something tells me the loot table is not as big as I think it is
hollow mica
Hunters doing way more dmg on fights in my guild ugh
crisp hollow
Vanish definitely a dps increase though maybe ravenholdt guide covers its usage with MA
i can check later
marsh bloom
so how do people sim more win exsg??
crisp hollow
SS traits
marsh bloom
I have a SS trait but TB is still 500 dps more lol
crisp hollow
and i think slightly different stat prio
yeah my 370 SS doesnt push exsang above TB on single target
but theyre close for me
crisp hollow
those are close too but yeah subterfuge shines with SS generally
@small folio from ravenholdt guide:
Master Assassin talented
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
marsh bloom
and also MA is probably pretty good with 2x DD?
thats not the opener
opener you use Vanish with Vendetta
or right after TB
crisp hollow
i just copy-pasted ravenholdt there dude
marsh bloom
the sim says to do it differently
marsh bloom
Ravenholdt guide isn't perfect
small folio
i can see, you get the vendetta with master assassin crits
marsh bloom
The haste trinket really that good in aoe situations?
primal gazelle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k2nRTv4qvJxweVETeee4tn finally made it to the 17k club
interestingly, its telling me to ditch SS for DD for a 300 dps gain
crisp hollow
yeah DD is best patchwerk
marsh bloom
I have double DD lol
me putting in my 30 ilvl lower SS wouldn't have one soo yeaaa lol
tight anvil
is frenetic really that bad?
burnt kernel
did they fix it so you can Garrote out of the SS Subt. window?
shell saffron
what do you mean snak? u always could and i'tll overwrite ur big gar tho
radiant atlas
when is the correct time to exsang during rotation for a multi target pull?
marble hemlock
g g g ct fok (fok) rup exsang
proper igloo
are we still going with 3 ss for m+ these days?
radiant atlas
do I need to throw up multiple ruptures on multiple targets, or just the 1?
marble hemlock
unless you have much higher ilvl archive/scent, yes
marsh bloom
I'm pretty sure
marble hemlock
multiple ones
marsh bloom
I don't have any scent lmao
radiant atlas
I mean multiple rupture pre exsang
proper igloo
ive got 2 370 ss and 1 340 ss and a 355 archive i can replace the 340 with
radiant atlas
ahhh ok
shell saffron
does exsg actaulyl outperform tb now?
marble hemlock
and then apply more after for energy sustain
marsh bloom
Sime yourself Ekusu
marble hemlock
while maintaining CT
marsh bloom
sim
shell saffron
i enjoyed playing with exsg but switched cos tb was just better and easier
proper igloo
i thought exsng was def better
radiant atlas
exsang is simming higher than TB for me, but I've been using TB, so I think it's time to switch
shell saffron
are u using crimson last row?
shell saffron
yeh i lose 600dps switching TB to exsg atm lol
radiant atlas
ilvl?
shell saffron
360
radiant atlas
hmm, looking at it closer, the difference for me is less than a tenth of a percent
maybe I will just stick to TB
shell saffron
the only pro exsg has is
u can get a 2 full dot durations inside ur vendetta
cos of it right
in theory
desert vault
how do you find the aura name for gale callers? Trying to mess with changing a vendetta WA into a GCB one and not super sure how 😃
drifting elbow
if its already as cd WA, should be enough to put spell ID info for it
desert vault
hmm, yeah I'm trying
just duplicated a Vendetta and trying to modify it basically
there are a couple WA for GCB specifically, but it only shows when its active. I wanted it to be shown at all times, but have something to show when its coming off CD basically
drifting elbow
do u got any WA packs for spec stuff?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
desert vault
4th in the list there
drifting elbow
it doesnt show galecaller cd visible and numbers when u modify it to gale ID?
when u take copy of vendetta that is
desert vault
nope, doesn't show at all on use, nothing
drifting elbow
uhhh, there is probably other stuff u gotta modify
desert vault
yeah trying to sort it
drifting elbow
i dont use his pack so, i cant really help
but if u cant change it, u can just create basic cd WA from scratch
should be pretty simple when u know what to change in settings
someone else might be able to help, cuz im gonna sleep now 😄
mossy hazel
With MA/TB, vanish should be used for env spam, right?
marsh bloom
MA is used in opener with Vendetta
Then after that you Vendetta TB then right before you Envenom you vanish
ember ermine
g>mut>rup>vend>vanish>tb>mut>env>mut MA/TB opener
crisp hollow
anyone mind giving this mother log a look for me? i was group 5 (of 7) to cross over so i had some downtime and our p3 was pretty fast
ruby pelican
damn, so it seems like 340 SS > 385 blightborne for M+? anyone know the proc rate for blightborne infusion?
crisp hollow
blightborne is one of the stronger traits lol where are you getting these numbers?
that would state 340 SS > 385 blightborne
ruby pelican
well bloodmallet/herodamage sims blightborne higher, so it seems like it should be better. but I'm simulating a typical m+ pull and its proc rate seems pretty low
I mean it's good when it procs with cds like gcb and exsang, but otherwise it seems pretty meh
crisp hollow
i wouldn't put too much weight in an M+ sim
lots of variance in size of pull, length, etc
ruby pelican
yeah I guess I'll try it out in some runs tonight and see how it works
ripe nimbus
plain cairn
i hate myself... finally killed mother mythic tonight... forgot to use a seal like a noob
civic palm
,<
plain cairn
and the other rogue in my guild got the dagger 😦
ripe nimbus
😦 feelsbadman
hollow mica
I used 2 seals on hc today cuz I'm undergeared and I get azerite 
Atleast got gear cuz everybody is 370+ LUL
haughty lily
PB or CT on zekvoz? majority of my dmg is from CT and im nervous if i switch to PB im gonna lose it all
steep obsidian
depends if you need adds to die quick or not?
if you wanted add damage id play outlaw /shrug
shell saffron
how many ads do u spawn at zekvoz?
sick monolith
Are you asking for mythic zek?
finite gazelle
got a question for you guys
fathoms trinket or 365 galecallers
my sims r so close together
silent dagger
why not both
worthy axle
Does Simc account for having enough haste to have the uldir raid buff give you haste instead of crit when simming gear?
safe matrix
galecallers can be really punished by movement, but fathoms doesnt scale well for aoe
yep it does
native mason
double dose or ss for uldir?
manic nexus
mythic vectis you can only fit in 2 exsang before intermission right?
daring imp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nJeXbgR7h7esyMcf9CHNkf so cloooooooooose Ç_Ç"
somber moon
simc doesnt garrote multiple targets at the beginning of a multitarget fight does it
daring imp
7 sockets, ttk, blightborne, laser, 3x overwhelming power, ma/tb @fading spade
modest badge
does unbuffed garrote overwrite the ss buffed garrote still?
daring imp
@modest badge the ss bug is gone, if your subterfuge ends and you cast garrote on a mob that doesn't have an empowered garrote, the empowered ones won't suffer anything anymore
modest badge
did someone test it already or was that just war bliz said
supple hearth
split veldt
do we still envemon on four cp?
daring imp
4+ ye
split veldt
hmm, cant figure out why the other two rogues in my guild do more envemom damage than me
quick void
because they use it more often?
Tends to be the case.
You can also check how many envenoms they used.,
daring imp
TTK or master assassin can help with that
my envenoms are usually 19~20% dmg on bosses with mostly single target
turbid hull
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FpbK6HRmgxdNLCVz#fight=20&source=15 Can anyone help me analyze my logs? I'm doing decent damage but my ilvl parses are garbage
supple pagoda
im confused are you supposed to uuse fan of knives on two targets? in the bfa guide linked it has fan of knives on two targets on quickstart and then on the regular guide it says 3 targets
acoustic flame
You don't have 10% attack power from warrior buff
Which is pretty big
or dh debuff on target
lofty sand
Does your FoK in two targets do more damage than your average Multi?
does that damage cover for the randomness on cp generation?
calm cedar
how is assassin right now in regards to pvP?
safe matrix
gimme a sec
safe matrix
General usage rules are now:
- Use Mutilate at 2 Targets always, swapping targets with Mutilate briefly if needed to reapply poisons to the second target (with or without Double Dose)
- Use Fan of Knives any time a target doesn't have Deadly Poison at 3 targets (or 3-4 with 2+ Ranks of Double Dose), otherwise use Mutilate on your primary target
- Use Fan of Knives spam at 4+ targets (or 5+ with 2+ Ranks of Double Dose)
lofty sand
I usually multi even with 3 targets, specially if I'm not done with rup. It just gives me more control over my cp generation
ionic charm
shitty cloak from cache, 390 gcb from first shrine i run. rngesus giveth and rngesus taketh away
rocky notch
What if I have vendetta on a target, should I still swap targets or should I fork then
Fok
quick void
World of Roulette
lime geyser
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ea8BBVGiJJd7DbKWBhF4zr new weapon finally tonight
echo cargo
8 sockets lol
buoyant coyote
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cra4kNjoPy3zBa9VqM9tEh is it really worth changing and learning for that 0.2% ..
regal snow
There is not much to learn but if u min/max its worth otherwise its not
buoyant coyote
prfer TB tbh
regal snow
Sim with master assasin and tb there should be a small increase
buoyant coyote
with EP aswell?
regal snow
Ye
buoyant coyote
aight
also
this is result after respeccing to sin last raid
Gonna try sin in hc today
regal snow
Looks fine for first time
buoyant coyote
Its abit of a change not having rng bullshit to determine my preformance
With Master assasin
Its abit lower
buoyant coyote
uhm thats the bleeding one tho
echo cargo
been killing / rerolling on first two bosses of mythic for 100 years, no drops
buoyant coyote
alpine cave
@lime geyser did you play with Master Assassin rightnow?
fiery bobcat
would anyone will able to go over logs with me?
lime geyser
@alpine cave Yeah I do
burnt kernel
What are the traits we want for mythic +? I'm running 385 helm with Double Dose, a 385 shoulders with scent of blood, and 370 chest with Shrouded Suffocation. It seems to perform well. But I just got 370 shoulders with SS trait and was wondering if 2x SS is still sought after?
glass compass
Mfw u go outlaw loot spec for mother to try for mace cuz zek prog, and actually get it
But no dags yet
@burnt kernel I would assume 2x SS but try em both out and see, or sim them
I think people say to SIM like 5-6 targets for 40 secs or so to SIM for m+
burnt kernel
I find Sims are not really working for the trait. It would rather me not have a single SS trait and take dagger in the back instead. But I find in real world play SS is still really strong
alpine cave
@lime geyser so, if you have many twisting blade traits MA is better? what is your opener then ?
glass compass
MA is better if you don't have shrouded suff I think
Cuz that's the only real reason to run subt afaik
Tho it's all feelycraft from me
alpine cave
@glass compass I can remove SS item, I replaced with UA trait, so, on raids should I instead take MA .
glass compass
Idk SIM it, I've never not had an SS so I've never used MA or even simmed it
flint swift
yeah same i've always used SS because it's easy, reliable, and applicable to single target and multi target
glass compass
I just can't think why you would run subt over MA if you don't have SS
alpine cave
I am thinking, I can put crit value above haste and with RA , crit will be around 50% and with MA talent we can remake Shoulder of MA from legion
I am also doing M+ too that's why
😄
I have SS shoulder and RA shoulder both
ember coral
Anyone killed mythrax mythic please?
eager kernel
Almost!
half patrol
hows laser matrix for M+, does it pull random mobs?
alpine cave
Not anymore
they fixed
last week it pulls zul's manion which is middle of the room, from the 1st boss alter of King Rest. We gg 😄
sinful marsh
Is there a way to check how frequently Simcraft doesn't proc Seize the Moment from Meticulous Scheming? It feels like Simc undervalues it
lone hamlet
Guys is archives / matrix 3xbuff worth using ?
acoustic tinsel
lone hamlet
I mean I will have 3x buff only from this week
south basin
during opener is it a bad idea to garrote twice for 2 CP and pandemic on the snapshotted garrote?
or rather, can someone guide me to my toon's APL?
I've only ever simmed for pawn strings
steep obsidian
go to the full html report if you using raidbots
and expand the apl heading
there is a sample table of the buttons you would press
fallen sandal
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
smoky lantern
Still shrouded suffocation for m+?
high siren
yes
cloud grove
That feeling when you get harlans dice on your tank DH =.=!!
rogue has the 345 version, this was 365
high siren
you can still farm it, you'll get it eventually
craggy helm
Starting to feel pretty bad at the game. I've read the guide, simmed myself, watched the videos, done everything I think I can correctly.. then still get out dps'd in M+ by a random mage and warlock a few ilvl lower than me. I guess I can only assume it's poor secondary stats and trinkets
cloud grove
the item I got was just an ilvl upgrade
modest zodiac
does resounding protection stack?
late hamlet
@craggy helm tell me about it, I just parsed at 16% in my uldir heroic, very upset about my performance but no idea what I need to improve on
raven mica
Why does it feel like I lost DPS by trading 340 SS for 385 tradewinds
lone hamlet
Should not in raids
raven mica
Ok well, checking my 2 kills today, I went up
Actually that’s kinda been a trend, I’ve been performing worse with better gear.
Probably just me getting lazier on my kills
nimble gulch
HEy im switching over to assa from outlaw since they get a nerf is assa gonna stay like this in 8.1
glass compass
Hey @nimble gulch I'm from the future and 8.1 rogues get deleted cuz balance and we all have to play mages now
nimble gulch
😄 well a funny one thanks for nothing dickhead
strange hatch
Thanks Chest, 380 belt to not replace my socketed 370 ..................
strange python
Got a 385 helm with Twist the Knife & Dagger in the back from weekly
winter gale
Guys, can you tell me correct setup to sim my mythic plus stats and gear? Is it hectic add cleave or ?
On raidbots*
onyx rock
Its patchwerk 6 targets 40 sec - 1 min
balmy cradle
feels good getting 385 chest as a downgrade
glass compass
I got a 385 ss chest, but I feel like I'm doing less dps than with my 370 archive
Or I'm just playing shittier, I dunno
peak sapphire
Simcraft > feelcraft
balmy cradle
^yes i simmed it
even simmed it for m+ but obviously ss is wayyyy better there
so rip
glass compass
Simcraft told me SS and to go exsang over TB, I'm just prolly fucking up my exsangs
balmy cradle
i mean 30dps loss is w/e tbh but still feels dumb to get +15 ilvl and -dps
glass compass
Damn @balmy cradle 6 sockets
balmy cradle
its just grinding m+
glass compass
Yea I need to grind harder, but all the td and FH but no dag or dice, and since I pug m+s shrine is a no go for galecallers
But this week looks cake af, so maybe this week
balmy cradle
anyone has advice on how to use galecaller in raid? in m+ bosses i wait with exsang to line up with gale, cuz most bosses last 2-4min so it lines up with 2nd vendetta again, but on longer fights id lose exsang casts, so is it worth to lose them or just use on cd and not line up trinket?
peak harbor
Guys are u going with "Crimson Tempest" on Fortified week ? i have 3x SS Trait
safe matrix
yep
glass compass
Yea I find crimson worth on tyrannical weeks as well.
safe matrix
CT is extremely strong in m+ and is the general go to
except on like tyrannical KR where the packs are small
high siren
is there a specific rule about when you should refresh rupture/garrote before applying exsang ?
I tend to always refresh them, but that seems to be wrong
west frost
Just on feels alone I'd say if you're only gaining like 8 seconds with a refresh you're probably better off just exsanging as is
Someone has probably done the math but I haven't seen it
@ @balmy cradle on longer fights you should he using exsang as close to CD as possible and likewise with gcb
They should line up with vanish/vendetta for the third
west frost
Er, 4th
round harbor
It just feels better to me to multi rup garrote and have infinite energy to spam envms
I never feel like that's the case with CT, provly just me playing wrong
west frost
Ct is more value than envenom per cast
And you still get to envenom spam while it's up, I guess
round harbor
Yeah it just doesn't feel as fluid to me
west frost
It definitely does more damage on big packs but I know what you mean about feel
I think recommended is go garrote x3 then ct straight up
And that feels so
Wonky
solid nova
More fluid, yeah sure i get that. More damage, nah.
solid nova
I get what you mean though
round harbor
I play outlaw for 90% of my dungeons anyways lol
west frost
round harbor
Our tank likes to chain pull so stealth loses alot of value. And outlaw is really good anyway
solid nova
Slap the tank into shape then
If the tank isnt playing towards the strengths of the comp, you got a bad tank 
quick ice
Tank Abuse: recommended by 10/10 Richards
solid nova
high siren
5 mins sims, 2 targets
why does it double garrote just after exsang ? on the same target
hazy iron
nvm, old comment
hazy iron
I was responding to an old comment lol
quick ice
@high siren that does seem wrong, agreed
high siren
notice the second garrote doesn't have the same index letter, like it this was another spell right ?
dunno if that's relevant
ok nvm : T = Subterfuge w/ Shrouded Suffocation: Reapply for bonus CP and extended snapshot duration
quick ice
yeah
but it shouldn't be doing Q or T right after an exsang
well, at least not on the main target
south spear
6 targets 40s - SS lower than rest... seems odd for M+ even given the lower iLvl
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q7XTr2pTSi3Ps2ZdSGK1yo
With vanish removed as well
high siren
30 ilvls difference 😐
south spear
I know.. Not on the head though, 15 there
hollow cloud
cloud spindle
What are the advantages to swapping from Exsang w/ 1 SS trait to TB changing SS to Archive. They sim the same for me but is there any other advantage on a fight like Vectis to have TB instead?
high siren
exsang has a better burst potential, so you benefit more on vulnerable bosses like g'huun/zek voz (with orb)
edgy latch
do you really though? tb/master assassin has pretty good burst
im still playing ss/exsang/subt for ghuun tho due to p1
royal lantern
well, you want a strong burst window on ghuun for the DEATH LAZOR phase
and exsang has higher burst
cloud spindle
I definitely see the benefit on vuln bosses but on a fight like Vectis or Fetid where add damage is a big priority, having TB be available more often than Exsang might be helpful? It seems to make you a bit more flexible than having to line up Galecaller + Exsang + Vanish
cloud spindle
Yeah it does, but essentially what I'm seeing is that Exsang requires you to play around it a bit more, while TB you just press that thing off CD 😄
high siren
you don't maximize tb value by just pressing it off cd