nice CT value bru
#assassination
strange python
sullen pagoda
but not like that boss is even relevant you can meme whatever u want there
strange python
very meaningful CT dmg
hollow stone
Gotta cheese to parse š
crisp hollow
it contributes nothing to Zek
if your sin rogue is needed to aoe the small adds
your comp is irreparable
supple hearth
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desert whale
I mean, most guilds will not keep up crawgs solely for Sub rogues to build off of.
ionic charm
If your group doesnāt have a fdk or outlaw rogue or demon hunter, maybe I could see going CT, but otherwise itās just padding
crisp hollow
LOL
desert whale
If everyone cleaves them and you are zerging boss, SIN > Sub
crisp hollow
this is in M
where Sub cheese invalidates zul
any guild not smart enough to plan around that
won't make it to zul to begin with
ionic charm
You could be like the two sin rogues who padded on Zul with CT and made the fight take 20% longer
desert whale
Sin just better for boss dmg in general on heroic w/ zerg strat
desert whale
Relevant content with a non relevant spec cheesing a strat
crisp hollow
you lost me there chief
desert whale
Sub is the worst performing spec out of the three.
sullen pagoda
@desert whale https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#boss=2145&difficulty=4&metric=bossdps&class=Rogue logs dont agree with you for zul hc
mossy hazel
We had this conversation the other day. It's not really cheesing, it's kind of just what Sub does as far as I'm concerned
desert whale
You can't look at logs in a vacuum cribs
Those rogues have full uptime on crawgs.... Good luck trying to orchestrate that for yourself.
forest patio
2x SS and 1x archives or 2x SS with 1x Archives with +10 ilvl bonus on helm?
ionic charm
If thereās 6+ targets and you need to kill 1 of them, Sub is the best spec in the game...
crisp hollow
ehh i consider it cheese to have 2 sin players switch to neutral traits or high agi pieces and bring someone 368 alt to spam shuriken storm and eviscerate
let alone stacking 5+ like some guilds have the means to
humble crane
7*
mossy hazel
Ok yea I'll give you "cheese" if the raid is building comp around mostly sub rogues
humble crane
guilds take 7 XD
sullen pagoda
@crisp hollow i mean if you play rogue you shouldn't lock yourself into one spec you should be able to play any of them
crisp hollow
yeah nobody said i did
ionic charm
There is a big difference between cheese that helps you kill a boss faster and in the easiest way, and cheese that refers to padding on adds you shouldnāt be focusing on
mossy hazel
But I mean we've got 3 rogues in our core group, I wouldn't call it cheese if we all switched to sub for that fight
sullen pagoda
its sad when players consider themself "mythic raider" and can play only one spec
rich wren
You guys are out for blood today
desert whale
You want to stack mastery for M zul anyway when you're sub
drifting elbow
now i have 2SS 370 azerites for m+ 
crisp hollow
the reality of azerite is i am not in a position to be a fully optimized sub rogue when needed to be
and zul is cheesy because optimization for sub
doesnt matter
ionic charm
@crisp hollow what you havenāt gotten a first dance piece every week like myself?
mossy hazel
@sullen pagoda ONly one spec? I can only play 1 spec of 1 class! Lol
ionic charm
The game is just waiting for zul
desert whale
Also, just because Sub performs well on one fight due to leaving crawgs up JUST for the rogues and no one else cleaves doesn't mean that its still the worst performing spec out of all 3
humble crane
You dont have to be optimised for sub to pull 30k dps.
desert whale
If you look at top parses for all fights, sub has the least representation.
humble crane
sure optimisation pushes some of the other rogues up much higher
ionic charm
@desert whale literally nobody said anything about sub other than it being good for zul
crisp hollow
which is a blue pars LOL
humble crane
yeah but who cares about parsing in progression =/
crisp hollow
not the point
desert vault
If you are running GCB do you pretty much have to run Exsang? My sims don't show it being much better, but hero damage shows it being miles better with Exsang
crisp hollow
41k is 68th percentile
nuts how high the damage can get on that fight
is what i was pointing out
strange python
Are the "Fan of Blades" and "Meticulous Scheming" traits useless? Got a new shoulder piece with them (15 ilvl more) and they are a 1253 and a 958 DPS loss.
ionic charm
And sin top is 36k bUt YoU sHOuLd rUN iT fOR ZuL
crisp hollow
that guy is talking about heroic
forest patio
is it really worth it to run 1 SS over 3x Archives?
crisp hollow
which is kinda right
humble crane
mages no1 anyway
hollow cloud
I just prefer having 1 SS 
forest patio
how come
hollow cloud
feels weird not having it
forest patio
sims telling me its not worth
safe root
ya im use to the opener with it
meager quarry
Guhh losing SS for a 2nd dagger in the back, this is giving me anxiety
safe root
with exsg atleast
hollow cloud
Yeh im unsure how it is for TB since i dont use it
crisp hollow
i got blightborne shoulders from chest today, was surprised to see how high they are on herodamage
hollow cloud
but no SS with exsang feels off
ionic charm
@crisp hollow tbh I think itās the same situation as Zek, if youāre trying to pad going full mongo on tiny adds, outlaw is the way
forest patio
but im not sure the reasoning why people use 1 ss over 3x archives if it sims higher
ionic charm
And blightborne is amazing. Been using them for weeks. 20% extra crit with 20% uptime. Itās great
crisp hollow
yet another top gear sim for me
humble crane
I got shurikan toss chest piece, 385, sims 400 higher than my double dose 370 XD. Hits for 52k at 30 stacks too lol
safe root
thats the best maths @hollow cloud
safe root
:)
forest patio
XD
crisp hollow
toss is super fun, felt sad giving up my triple 340 shuriken toss setup
ionic charm
When people take off SS people think their damage is worse because their opener is smaller. Thatās about it. Happened to me too, just gotta get used to it
crisp hollow
i think the highest i got in sub with that gear was something stupid like 90k
ionic charm
1 stack of sharpened blades is still good for sin at least
humble crane
yeah im using it, its 400 dps sim increase over what I had (370 > 385)
forest patio
when i look at the top 50 allstar parses tho all of them use at least 1 ss tho š¤
woeful wraith
for what boss?
mossy hazel
What the hell even is the allstar parse?
crisp hollow
its probably one of the best patchwerk traits just no real reason to prefer it over SS/DD/Backdagger at same ilvl
calm cedar
Any advice on minimizing down time between rotations? Seems I have a lot of it.
opaque grotto
@crisp hollow if you used dark shadows with sub you could throw like 120k shuriken tosses
It was hilarious
drifting elbow
a system that counts ur all boss kills parses
desert vault
Exsang on CD basically?
mossy hazel
Thanks Veq
humble crane
Im running 1 ss, 1 archives, 1 st atm
crisp hollow
yeah people overthink exsang
north crane
total dps is not very important on zul fight, what really matters is the BOSS damage
safe root
^
north crane
if you are doing 40k TOTAL dps you have the wrong gear
drifting elbow
for assa, sure
north crane
i'm talking about sub
terse crescent
The longer zul is up, the more adds. So do you want to treat the symptom or the cause of the adds
terse crescent
Kinda the theory why people are stacking sub
drifting elbow
means nothing
crisp hollow
is zul worth allstar points still?
safe root
lol
drifting elbow
its certainly not nothing
humble crane
crisp hollow
thought he'd get the eonar treatment pretty quickly
terse crescent
Logs pretty quickly become meaningless when people cheese parses
drifting elbow
well its just one spec doing ridiculous dmg with add being up
crisp hollow
its also a wash for mages too
once the general populace is better geared and sub isnt needed to meet push times
you'll seem boomkin rise too
opaque grotto
Yea aoe dmg = more ST for frost mage since infinite frost orbs
terse crescent
Logs aren't the problem, they can be really useful to see where you step wrong in a rotation or when you goof on a pull. When people see it as a scoreboard for DPS meters is when they lose meaning
opaque grotto
It is a scoreboard the fuq
crisp hollow
logs are the most important part of raiding and contribute to it as a positive experience
jingle there's more to logs than rankings
lol
opaque grotto
I understand but at its core itās a leaderboard
crisp hollow
no
sturdy python
It can be a scoreboard as long as people consider the whole situation. Not just the number
drifting elbow
i only care about parse when its purple/orange ranking
crisp hollow
at its core its a rundown of the encounter
ionic charm
What point do logs have if not to show other I am better than they are? Kappa
sturdy python
And it's most important purpose its a recap
crisp hollow
if you're not checking logs between pulls to see what the issue is
calm cedar
Does my energy starvation between rotations get any better as ilvl goes up?
opaque grotto
Of course Iām checking my guildās logs, but when you just go to WCL.com
You see a leaderboard
calm cedar
Okay. I just feel useless for about 5 seconds between rotational.
ionic charm
@calm cedar crit and haste will alleviate that, but it will never go away. Sinās playstyle is energy starved
sturdy python
And have to make sure your bleeds and poisons stay up for Max regen
terse crescent
I mean that people go there to cheese high parses as frost mage on zul, have super high damage done but 30% to zul total
30% of their damage dealt to zul
calm cedar
Okay. I am doing that. I am still under 315 ilvl, so I figure I may be worrying about it a bit much
terse crescent
That doesn't mean they're good, means they're good at padding
opaque grotto
Yeah man, I understand that and itās fun to try to top the leaderboards
warm geode
is ok to post rage on blizz about weekly here?
opaque grotto
Well, cheesing parses probably means you have it on farm
drifting elbow
good padder plans how to pad š
crisp hollow
https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Spiceville if only we shit the bed on siege a little less hard i'd hit my 1500 goal last week š¦
ionic charm
@terse crescent not to speak against your point, but at least people who can cheese well generally know the encounter well enough to do it
terse crescent
Then it's not about raiding anymore is it
crisp hollow
how rough you think a 12-13 tol dagor would be this week?
drifting elbow
not bad
drifting elbow
u r NA i guess
drifting elbow
yeah idk what are affix for new weeks
ionic charm
Sanguine is actually kind of annoying for TD, but not anything that really sucks
strange python
just get hpal
inner pecan
sanguine is annoying in TD
sturdy python
They nerfed griev in bfa
drifting elbow
sanguine is annoying in any indoor dungeon
crisp hollow
hpal not that amazing rn
sturdy python
Only 1.3 per stack
supple hearth
@warm geode no
crisp hollow
currently lacking in throughput compared to Disc/MW
strange python
disc is meta rn
crisp hollow
(thats what my healers tell me anyway)
ionic charm
Also bop isnāt worth anything so their utility got shit on for m+
crisp hollow
disc will still be #1 after the 8.1 nerfs according to Jdotb
so i for one welcome our new shield overlords
ruby idol
Meanwhile 2 of the top 3 NA healers are druids. We have small brains
crisp hollow
we sometimes run with a disc priest who finished at 6.5k io in legion and wouldve been at MDI if he wasn't in quebec
inner pecan
wouldn't say one is miles ahead of any other
crisp hollow
its kinda nuts how safe i feel
ionic charm
I like rdruids, having another confirmed bres besides bdk is nice
crisp hollow
can they still catweave to a decent extent?
ionic charm
Ye
crisp hollow
disc rn is looking like the best healer dps while having nutty healing
inner pecan
disc priest's biggest weakness is actually spothealing/tankhealing
crisp hollow
MW dps is super low atm
inner pecan
they have pretty much nothing to spotheal other than Shadow Mend
crisp hollow
yeah but that is more or less handled through prep for unavoidable mechanics (third boss in Motherlode)
ruby idol
Dont need to do dmg when you apply 5% physical dmg debuff :)
crisp hollow
and by just not getting hit by avoidables
undone lodge
i still dont know some terms in english, like "padding" for example..what does it mean?
inner pecan
some things can't get prep'd for
drifting elbow
padding is doing a lot of pointless dmg
ionic charm
@undone lodge doing extra damage on targets that donāt matter. Pushing your dps number up for logs. Like padding on a bra
strange python
@undone lodge http://lmgtfy.com/?q=WoW+what+is+padding
drifting elbow
cant blame girls padding bra's
crisp hollow
you know i think it takes more effort to LMGTFY than to just explain a definition
undone lodge
@drifting elbow @ionic charm @strange python ahhhh thanks, gonna read it
visual token
But lmgtfy is more insulting
crisp hollow
if you're insulting people in a WoW class discord you have very little self awareness
we're all trash here
irl
undone lodge
LMGTFY.... i get it, sorry, should've done that before i ask š
visual token
I google all the things. Next to the sim god there is the google god.
mossy hazel
Can we get a "Check the Google" reaction?
noble hound
How does Sharpened Blades work into the rotatoin? just cast Poisoned Knife at max stacks?
crisp hollow
yeah for sin SB is really straightforward
for sub you wanna have some damage buffs lined up when you use it
ionic charm
@noble hound use at 29 stacks, since you auto attack in pairs you are likely to miss a stack if you wait for 30 when youāre already at 29. Preferably have EP up before you use it, donāt hold max stacks in order to use a finisher first, but try to plan for having EP up at max stacks
ionic charm
If you just use it when itās at 30 stacks itāll still be good. Just thereās a slightly more ideal way to use it
vestal plank
Hey guys, swapping to exsanguinate for the first time is there anything super important i should know?
mossy hazel
Use at max duration bleeds
ionic charm
It snapshots haste, apply all haste buffs before casting exs, and let dots fall completely off
vestal plank
Alright cheers guys
undone lodge
should pump more haste?
mossy hazel
Yup
undone lodge
should i*
undone lodge
i always sim tbh
mossy hazel
You sim stat weights?
undone lodge
thanks @mossy hazel šŗ
mossy hazel
Because that will tell you which stats you should currently be pumping
fathom cosmos
Am i supposed to be pooling energy for TB?
undone lodge
yeah did that always after changing gears
restive inlet
@undone lodge use this: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats
The stat with the biggest number is the one your character needs the most
mossy hazel
@fathom cosmos yea you would want to make sure you have enough energy to get at least 2 full envenoms off during TB
undone lodge
thanks @restive inlet i always did stat weighing when changing gears
strange hatch
The more relevant Q would be, are you willing to let g/rup fall off while TB is up
restive inlet
you can also use those weights to figure out if you need more of a certain stat, which stat to focus on etc
glass palm
guys im new to assasination, my question is, why would I vanish on cd (according to guides) ?
undone lodge
so i need to increase my weapon>agi>haste, right?
restive inlet
yes
undone lodge
weapons are pretty hard to find LOL
restive inlet
and as you can see, weapons are insanely important. that number is so much bigger than anything else
ionic charm
@strange hatch someone in #tc-research posted some sims showing that over refreshing rupture before TB was a .3% increase over refreshing rupture during Tb
And both were preferable to letting it drop
mossy hazel
@glass palm Depending on your talents or traits, Vanish is going to put you back into stealth to activate stealth only damage increases
strange hatch
That sounds reasonable
glass palm
playing with subterfuge
mossy hazel
Like Subterfuge talent so you can get an empowered Garrote, or the 100% crit chance from MAster assassin
undone lodge
@restive inlet havent done any raids with my guildies, because of works, some bosses will drop daggers right?
glass palm
ah ok im retarded
i thought subterfuge makes your garrote always 80% increased dmg and the only gain from stealth is no cd
fml
strange hatch
And 3cp!
restive inlet
The dagger from Mother is pretty much the best you can get in the raid. I think Mythrax drops one too, or maybe it's zul. can't remember atm, and I'm not online to check
ionic charm
@strange hatch thatās from ss not subterfuge tho
mossy hazel
yea was about to say that. The bonus CP is from the trait, talent is just empowered and no cd
undone lodge
@restive inlet ahhh great thanks for the info, maybe will try to LFR before doing Normal and HC,
undone lodge
thanks man š»
glass palm
and i guess i dont refresh the vanish-empowered garrote, just let it go off entirely?
ionic charm
Yes
winter pulsar
i just got a piece of 385 helm with meticulous scheming on it. before i sim, its probably gonna be worse than a 345 shrouded for M+?
mossy hazel
Correct
strange hatch
@ionic charm nvm, yes
undone lodge
LOL...RNGsus has left me some years ago š
agile phoenix
is there no direct competetor for SS in mythics in order to do some aoe
glass palm
on m+ do I just spam garrote every target possible after engaging from stealth?
ionic charm
Ggg r g without ct, ggg ct g with
undone lodge
i ruined my muscle memory after SS got nerfed :((
agile phoenix
so guys still SS for mythic + is there no alternative
strange hatch
It simply feels odd without
ionic charm
Archive isnāt terrible. Blightborne is good, SoB can be good in certain keys. But SS is king
undone lodge
i forcedfully sacrificing my SS gears for ilvl, got 3 of them š¦
strange hatch
Same on the 1xss
strange python
385 dd shoulders from cache 370 dd head from emmisarry šÆ
ionic charm
I wish DD simmed as high for me as it does on herodamage. Blightborne is better than it somehow
winter pulsar
id assume SoBs value goes up a decent amount on fortified weeks though
quick fog
Same @strange python The good life
fading harness
hi guys, anyone know the haste/crit cap
iron prism
there's no cap
there are some situations where stat values can change so you should always be simming
but generally haste > crit > others
eager cobalt
Are weapon drop rates like 1%?
iron prism
@strange python i wish i'd ever seen a piece with DD on it, lol
50%, but 0.001% if your name begins with Blood
eager cobalt
haHAa
iron prism
lol
sorry bud
there's a reason it's called Battle For A weapon
got my first cache with a weapon today for the xpac, vers/mast but a 380 weap is a 380 weap
eager cobalt
Man I wish that crafting professions could make other slots
2 slots for max level crafting, wow
iron prism
yeah the whole "you can make 1-2 slots" is just bad/lazy implementation by blizzard
it's not like having 10 different crafted items would be game breaking
they're just too lazy/cheap to implement it
eager cobalt
I mean all my characters are mining herbs now
iron prism
hell they dont even have ways to spend sanguicells for half the professions
eager cobalt
since I just have to level their professions per expansion now
iron prism
i'm pretty sure ffxiv.... aion... tera... most cell phone games... hello kitty adventure island... all have much better crafting systems than blizzard
which is sad because they kinda invented having decently rewarding and fun crafting systems
(for mmos)
eager cobalt
Yeah
I look more forward to playing Granblu Fantasy on my tablet than playing WoW atm
I just want 1 more item level on my rogue so I can be 370 and shelf it to play an alt
iron prism
yeah same, i log on for raiding and doing a m9/m10 and then am done for the week
lyric gust
!ss
iron prism
even that is only because my guild is here
lyric gust
is it fixed?
eager cobalt
I wish I could get into a m9/10
iron prism
if they were on ffxiv of path of exile or something i'd leave in a second
@lyric gust yes its fixed
eager cobalt
369 and I struggle to get into m8's
iron prism
just go with your guild or run your own keys
assassination can easily pull 15-22k or so in m10
eager cobalt
Most of my guild quit to play Maple Story until the next patch comes out
iron prism
it's pretty broken
eager cobalt
Oh I know
iron prism
@eager cobalt lol seems fair
eager cobalt
I don't think I've lost on ST in awhile
iron prism
that reminds me, add maple story to the list of games with better crafting systems
eager cobalt
My AoE could be better but I generally do 13-15k on trash
iron prism
no SS?
eager cobalt
None
iron prism
should be doing M+ with SS/subterfuge
eager cobalt
All my 370 has DD on it
iron prism
eh consider SS for m+, even 340 or probably 325
iron prism
haha
wheat zealot
But 340
ember ermine
Ihave 360 340 370 for ss
wheat zealot
Before nerf mightve been worth
But now fuck that
I have 370 370 340
Just got the shoulders today
iron prism
i mean i got a 370 shoulders with laser matrix and 340 with SS... switching was like a 3-4% dps loss in 3 target 2 min fights
maybe more
*switching to the 370 was a loss
but yeah SS is still king... garrote garrote garrote garrote rupture fan rupture fan rupture fan rupture
vanish repeat
not hard at all to pull >25k
only bad if stuff doesn't live long enough for the garrote duration
amazing how much they nerfed it and while it may be bad in raid it's still OP in m+
kinda weird how from blizzard's perspective it's too strong and broken, but from the player perspective it's actually powerful enough to do what azerite was supposed to do in the first place, change rotation and playstyles
eager cobalt
Yeah maybe I will replace my piece with Scent of Blood for SS
iron prism
yeah scent is good too
quiet rover
got 380 lustrous plumage from cache but i already had 375 galecallers, worth having 2 on use trinkets?
eager cobalt
idk the rogue on my Freehold run last night had SSand he barely beat me on trash
iron prism
@quiet rover idk sim it š
trinkets kinda forsaken me, got darkmoon card and frenzied corpuscle
dusky canyon
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iron prism
i run freehold and tol dagor like 3x per week but i never see dice or gc
iron basalt
385 with SB? or 370 with SS? My other 2 pieces are archive
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eager cobalt
Yeah I am going to be stuck with that shitty trinket lol
iron basalt
thanks
lone hamlet
Guys which traits are best on st ?
indigo nimbus
two SS traits, is picking Exsanguinate best even for ST?
iron prism
ok more complete: double dose, champion of azeroth, dagger in the back, blightborne infusion, sharpened blades
fossil furnace
Do we still run Subterfuge if you don't have a SS trait? Finally got some azerite combos that I can run without one
storm zinc
Is SB properly simming on raidbots?
I don't see poisoned knife in the damage breakdowns
ionic charm
@fossil furnace likely MA will sim higher, but it will be close and down to your play preference
iron prism
@indigo nimbus exsanguinate is usually better for SS builds yes
fossil furnace
@ionic charm cool thanks, thats what I figured but I wanted to ask
iron prism
@fossil furnace yeah sub is generally SS related, MA is the new meta for non-SS
undone lodge
conclusion for overall gears (if there's any) 1 SS + 1 DD + 1 Archive?
iron prism
@undone lodge if you're talking about raiding it should be 2dd 1 archive
undone lodge
ahhhh okay
haughty lily
RIP i lost all my SS with my new azerite upgrade
undone lodge
2 DD + 1 Archive im repeating coz im a forgetful SOB
strange python
for me 2 DD 1 LM is simming higher
iron prism
@haughty lily using old pieces is probably still better for m+
@haughty lily be sure to sim it
undone lodge
and for M+ is 2 SS + 1 DD?
iron prism
@strange python laser and archive sim about the same these days
strange python
yeah thats true
undone lodge
i simed higher with no SS than with it...due to ilvl i guess
iron prism
@haughty lily you can make it sim for m+. I'll do 3 boss targets and 1-2 min
haughty lily
not that i sim very high tho
which is crazy cause my ilvl is so high and i have such good daggers
iron prism
just make sure to go into extra options and disable potions etc
winged forge
Does wound poison affect the corpuscle healing on mythic fetid? looking for insight
haughty lily
ofc
spice surge
@haughty lily try simming with PB instead of CT, but also your azerites is pretty bad except for the chest
civic phoenix
is there a specific number i should be shooting for on haste?
haughty lily
yeah i got hella unlucky with all my azerite gear
spice surge
Battlefield focus is also way better than poisoned wire on shoulders
civic phoenix
or should i just get as much as possible
spice surge
No specific number
iron prism
ugh battlefield focus and poisoned wire lol. both bad
you have some great ilvl etc tho sinestra
civic phoenix
In uldir, i can get up to 1900 haste and 1100 crit but like 400 mastery and 0 vers
haughty lily
i figured CT was best for M+ this week since it is bolstering tho
iron prism
@civic phoenix lol... that's like, the dream
odd wadi
Hi Guys ^^ sorry if this question has been asked many times! but for raiding i know Azerite traits should be DD*2 and one that unlocks the uldir buff .
But what is suggested traits to run m+'s
fossil furnace
@haughty lily its not bolstering this week
iron prism
@odd wadi ss x3
odd wadi
just to spreed the empowered garottes and ruptures right?
haughty lily
ooo your right yeah ill change to pb lol
odd wadi
as in use the 3 points to put a rupture*
iron prism
garrote x4, rupture, fan, rupture, fan, rupture, fan, rupture, vanish, repeat
undone lodge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ZW39yNEXrKeVaH3SQ8CWK
is it okay for my ilvl range?
odd wadi
sweet, thx lunitari
iron prism
@haughty lily m+ based sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w9LGCtrbpSHFtgCcXjAHGr
fossil furnace
Stupid question but sims/bloodmallet etc are probably displaying Dagger in the Back assuming you are behind target right?
iron prism
@haughty lily 3 targets, 2 min, no potion, no lust/hero, no runes
opaque grotto
I donāt think youāre supposed to garrote 4 times
mossy hazel
Yea, I've seen others here say the sims for ditb aren't entirely accurate
iron prism
@opaque grotto that was fixed
mossy hazel
You can garrote 4x now
undone lodge
@iron prism wow thats quite a jump š®
iron prism
yeah you're right lol
opaque grotto
Garrote
haughty lily
yeah doesnt look like theres much i can change then.... lol
haughty lily
i do high dps in aoe but in ST it feels like i can barely pull 12k which is annoying cause im a rogue
wheat zealot
Then get ruptures out
opaque grotto
Correct
gusty yoke
is darkmoon deck really just that op? i just got a 355 GLB with socket and 365GLB without socket and both are worse 
iron prism
@gusty yoke yep
civic phoenix
ya
hollow junco
@gusty yoke *yes, but it's more that a lot of other trinkets are just bad
opaque grotto
I think it loses value in aoe though doesnāt it?
wheat zealot
Galecallers def better for m+ but fathoms is amazing for ST
gusty yoke
currently using fathoms and doom's wake 375+socket
kind crater
I don't like galecaller's for M+, feels like you get forced out of the zone pretty often
wheat zealot
I never use fathoms for m+
kind crater
I guess it depends on the dungeon
wheat zealot
I use 360 gcb and 375 dice
opaque grotto
Just tank the dmg and blame your healer
iron prism
@gusty yoke https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t22-assassination darkmoon outperforms all 370 ilvl trinkets
civic phoenix
I got 380 vers mastery boots :((
iron prism
@subtle kiln the real question is why werent you in the first place
@gusty yoke I take that back, not ALL 370 trinkets, but most
gc, dooms wake, spyglass, medallion, ww, plumage better @370
undone lodge
well gtg, great guides guys šŗ thanks a lot
iron prism
cheers @undone lodge
undone lodge
gnite everyoone
gusty yoke
so i guess target farming GLB was a waste 
prisma sail
does COS negate going through the wall on Mother??
or/and feint helps negate it as well, or not because it's not technically an aoe effect?
iron prism
i don't know what glb is. but gcb is still best trinket by ilvl
wheat zealot
Gcb with x3 ss is poggers for m+
iron prism
@prisma sail i have assumed feint worked and cloak doesn't but tbh i dont really know
they do work on defensive beams if you find yourself in bad
marsh bloom
ez
iron prism
@plain cairn gz
fossil furnace
Cloak definitely works on the defensive beams
mossy hazel
Cloak does NOT work on the burst from the wall
prisma sail
k, but it does work on the beams, good to know
mossy hazel
I'm actually not even sure Feint works on that burst
solar herald
Cloak dont make u spawn an add when u pas the wall. If they didnt hotfixed anything. So cloak still has it big +
young meteor
I love you be gcb for m+ running with a dk tank
I'm sure it'd be harder to use with a DH tank
balmy perch
Ya it doesnt seem like cloak or feint worked when i tried it a few weeks ago
hollow mica
Does it matter if I put Quick Navigation enchant on main-hand or off-hand?
and deadly navigation on main or off-hand?
balmy perch
Cheat death didnt even proc from the wall for me some of the time
hollow mica
I saw all top rogues have quick on main hand. THought it mattered
icy crater
I have a 365 dice w/ socket, 370 dice. 370 spyglass and fathoms/365 gales sims over it
wheat zealot
Doesnt matter at all
hollow mica
Thank you for clarification
icy crater
Itās not that bad
iron prism
@solar herald per wowhead "Players who use immunities such as Cloak of Shadows or Divine Shield whilst moving through the Defense Grid will still spawn a Remnant of Corruption add and will still deal damage to the raid."
visual token
Feelsbadman
novel rivet
So, I was lookingat bloodmallet and SS is now at the bottom of the barrel on there, is that correct, because I still see it discussed a lot
solar herald
So the Good Time is over :/
iron prism
@novel rivet it's due to the talent choice on blood mallet
icy crater
Make sure talents are correct.
vital haven
go to herodamage
iron prism
@novel rivet if you still use subterfuge it isnt
icy crater
And itās still insane for m+
vital haven
its like bloodmallet but betyter imo
iron prism
bloodmallet is great if you follow a specific meta
herodamage is confusing but more flexible
novel rivet
š® I did not know that, interesting thank you!
balmy perch
I habe started garrote vanish garroting large packs in higher m+ i am addicted to SS
Its nice to be doimg 35k+ dps
iron prism
yep that's the way
novel rivet
Apologies for mroe questions, so what talent should I be using with SS?
if not subterfuge
mossy hazel
Sub
vital haven
sub
balmy perch
Use subterfuge
novel rivet
ahh okay
balmy perch
Lol
visual token
Lol
vital haven
lOl
iron prism
MA is the non-ss meta
SS is all about subterfuge
you could use sub/ss in some aoe fights like zul
i've gotten some orange parses doing that
vital haven
ehhh
mossy hazel
Oh god, you said ss on zul again...
vital haven
id rather go outlaw
mossy hazel
HERE WE GO
iron prism
lol
novel rivet
š® this is so helpful , I was deflated when i got my new SS traits and saw the bloodmallet page, i about pooped
visual token
SS still stronk
vital haven
you gotta learn to interpret the sims sangaro
balmy perch
Wouldnt DD +MA be better for the birst zul strat? Heroic anywau
vital haven
basically the shorter the fight the higher the value for SS
iron prism
@mossy hazel "several people are typing" intensifies
strange python
mossy hazel
Lmao
strange python
š
iron prism
or you can just sim on raidbots with 2/3/4 targets with 1/2 min fights and turn off potions and hero/lust
balmy perch
Inam going to be a sad panda of o get another shit item from my 10nchest this week. Last week it wasnt even a upgrade
vital haven
better to just use raiodbots
iron prism
yeah, there's always a slippery slope between convenience/simplicity and accuracy
well, maybe more like precision
mossy hazel
I havne't had an upgrade from my chest ever
iron prism
easy to be very precise but not accurate due to some factors
mossy hazel
So my expectations are low... hope is high, but expectations low
rose wharf
@balmy perch you should always vanish if the second garrote is running through if you don't need the dmg in the next pull. I prefer to 3x garrotte instead of having it for the boss up (atleast in the opener)
iron prism
lol i got a 385 chest that had like... ruinous bolt and combined might or something
i was so sad
iron prism
very good
imo blightborne > dd
performs almost the same in st but WAY better in aoe
DD is gonna be the best in st bosses by about 1%, but blightborne flexes is best on adds and flexes into m+
inner pulsar
Free at last, free at last, free at last
iron prism
free from what?
inner pulsar
Tyranny
iron prism
like living in saudi arabia tyranny or like paying an extra 2c/gallon on gas "tyranny"?
inner pulsar
Very first world tyranny
iron prism
lol š
hollow mica
Another stupid question. Is there a haste cap?
mossy hazel
No
hollow mica
Thank you
iron prism
@hollow mica lol 3rd (4th?) time i've seen this question today since i sat down for coffee and logged into discord
i havent even gotten a 2nd coffee
hollow mica
Woops! Sorry boys
iron prism
lol it happens, just one of those q's
mossy hazel
!guide
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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
mossy hazel
It's in there
hollow mica
I just can't understand how a 357 rogue is simming more than me and he doesn't have Uldir azerite pieces
mossy hazel
What's your sim look like? Trinkets? Traits? Talents?
iron prism
yeah trinkets, stat weights, weapons, sockets...
azerite traits (only 1 gets reorigination bonus)
if you want post your sim
summer marten
you also dont have uldir traits
hollow mica
And I have no better trinkets too
hollow mica
I have a 355 dd
iron prism
secondaries look ok
hollow mica
that will make is 3x dd
iron prism
that should help
you still will want 1 reorigination array trait regardless of dd
i'm assuming you're evaluating for raid and not m+
iron prism
replace that overcharger with darkmoon deck, it's about a 1-1.5% dps increase
overcharger is the right stats it's just built wrong and sucks
iron prism
not your fault blizzard forgot how to design items
well, i guess that implies they ever knew how to design trinkets properly
mossy hazel
I did the same thing, i saw overcharger and naturally thought it would be good, finally got it, ran sim, it was garbage. Lol
iron prism
you could also go farm galecallers
mossy hazel
Mine's a 385 and sims lower than Darkmoon
hollow mica
Shouldn't u get haste from overcharger?
iron prism
@hollow mica you do it just is not designed properly
it should give like 2x-3x what it does
hollow mica
Oh ok
iron prism
but yes it's a good question of why is an item that boosts haste just about the worst trinket in the game for a spec that loves haste
i assume ion would tell you that you think you want a trinket to give you more haste, but you dont
mossy hazel
Lmfao
mossy hazel
Lol, there's a bunch of Ion emotes
high siren
iron prism
oh
@hollow mica you're using subterfuge but you dont have shrouded suffocation. go master assassin
fleet whale
So the new FoK trait that is coming in 8.1, the tooltip confuses me
mossy hazel
I don't think I've seen the new FoK trait, link/cap?
hollow mica
Damn MA better without SS huh
fleet whale
I will go on wowhead to link it
mossy hazel
I said that too, Healz. Lol
hollow mica
fk me
iron prism
@hollow mica yeah, but likewise if you're not going subterfuge and multiple SS for m+ you're playing the class wrong lol
iron prism
i'm curious about that one. i like seed of corruption living bomb fan of knives
it sounds fun on aoe, but knowing blizzard they'll probably nerf it too much
hollow mica
@iron prism So, people keep SS pieces in their bags and DD pieces for raids?
fleet whale
i mean it sounds cool, but what does it mean by "first 5 critical strikes?"
iron prism
@hollow mica yeah didnt you know we're all streamlined now so we dont have to keep legendaries in our bags
fleet whale
i guess it resets?
iron prism
@hollow mica now we just keep multiple sets of azerite gear for each spec
hollow mica
lol
mossy hazel
I replace a 370 archive with 340 ss for M+
hollow mica
Education right here bois
supple compass
Anybody by chance have experience with 3x double dose? How does it feel?
inner pulsar
Like the normal rotation?
iron prism
@hollow mica but sarcasm aside, yes, pretty much a must to have a SS set for m+... SS is worth like 30 ilvls in m+
maybe more
fleet whale
double dose really doesn't change much rotation wise. Well, i guess you have to pay attention to envenom more
iron prism
but SS is garbage with MA
hollow mica
@mossy hazel I don't have Archive. The 370 has scent of blood sadly
iron prism
and MA > subterfuge in ST/raids
doesnt mean you cant use them if you play well though, i still use subterfuge/SS in uldir because i can't find any decent non-SS traits. still usually parse purp/orange
inner pulsar
SoB isn't terrible for M+
iron prism
scent's pretty good for m+ ya
fleet whale
as long as you keep going in the run archive isn't too bad either
nocturne mulch
Am I missing something, can we pick up any double dose gear from raid?
inner pulsar
No DD gear in Uldir
fleet whale
no, there is no dd trait in uldir
strange hatch
Yay, +14 intime feels awesome xD
spiral snow
MfD what xddddddddd
iron prism
@strange hatch nice
MfD is really good in m+ if you play it perfectly, it's just generally too annoying to do so
also depends on what mods you have for the week
mfd sims better than it works in practice though imo, or maybe i'm just bad
stone quartz
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
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Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
fringe wyvern
For raiding should I take SS (x2) & laser matrix, or 1 Archive, 1 SS, and 1 Double Dose? Im getting conflicting results from the simcraft dekstop app and raidbots. Simcraft tells me the 2 SS is better, and raidbots tells me the SS & DD is better
both are simming patchwerk for around 5 mins
inner pulsar
I would say the raidbots sim is more accurate, you probably have an option checked incorrectly in Simcraft
hollow mica
@iron prism After changes : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oyERuZ7qCwZqti4HVcQfCs
500 more dps
inner pulsar
Uldir trait would do more than anything else in your case @hollow mica
hollow mica
Yeah I'm running heroic in the afternoon. Hopefully I get something good
lilac lily
yeah, you need at least 1 Archive or LM for raid
inner pulsar
I feel ya, 5/8 M and still rocking a 355 Laser Matrix
celest ruin
holy crap this week affix is cancer
fringe wyvern
@inner pulsar is it possible that simcraft wasn't updated after the SS nerf? Im pretty sure I don't have any setup wrong
hollow mica
Time to farm uldir welp
amber canopy
Would a 370 Harlans dice beat the darkmoon trink on a pure single target fight?
inner pulsar
There is almost no reason to use the desktop version at this point
lone junco
probably not. gotta simmit
amber canopy
I know hero damage says dice is better but like everyone is using deck lol
mossy hazel
Did you update your SimC app? It doesn't auto update
wary temple
hey @lone junco is it still viable to use double garrote outside of shrouded suffocation?
hollow mica
ty for help guys
spiral snow
@amber canopy I have a 365 with a socket. It beats it in a sim.
fringe wyvern
I just like the desktop app becuase I dont have to wait in que and it's faster lol. Thanks tho I appreciate it, i probably didn't update it.
lone junco
@wary temple like exang with subterfuge but no ss?
wary temple
no with TB
wary temple
yeah
lone junco
to push the 23sec over 18sec
wary temple
Yeah, we still do that?
lone junco
I didnt ever do that.
because I used MA with TB
but if you ran subterfuge with TB and no SS, I would expect it to be worth doing. idk.
wary temple
I was using MA prior to today, but new upgrades tells me use to use Subt again
lone junco
strong answer is to run a sim and read the apl.
inner pulsar
That is...unlikely
lone junco
but the apl could be right/wrong there.
we ran Subterfuge bracer boot in legion. and there was no double garrote open
dunno if anyone tried it though
afk work gl.
rancid seal
Is SS better than Archive in M+? Idk how to sim without arrays so is there a rough answer?
mossy hazel
It is GENERALLY better in M+
muted jacinth
ss generally better. you can sim without archive by turning off smart mode for reoriginonation array to 0
mossy hazel
Sims could prove that wrong in certain situations I guess, but none that I'v eheard of yet
rancid seal
aight cheers
lone junco
@rancid seal in the extra options you can turn array stacks to 0
novel rivet
so in M+ hero damage is taking marked for death, is it better than vigor in short encounters?
lone junco
1 archive is on par with some non ss traits.
so if the ilvl is >> your ss, it might be worth using.
rancid seal
same ilvl and only 1 trait
novel rivet
or do you not need vigor in high M+ because you have bleads on everything
iron prism
@novel rivet it's one of those traits that sims better if used perfectly but realistically vigor is probably gonna perform better. it also depends on the context. in m0 (i.e. stuff exploding instantly) mfd has a higher reset uptime, but in m10 it wont
iron prism
i'll concede that i dont really know for sure but whatshisface @hushed rose was advocating vigor or deeper for m_
i am willing to bet the mfd sim is just due to the perfection of the sim and frequency of deaths
strange python
385 shrouded suffocation piece š
iron prism
š
mossy hazel
Nice
iron prism
help you do more m10s to get more 385 ss pieces
iron prism
do people use heed my call?
strange python
for M+
iron prism
i'm always afraid of it breaking cc
wheat zealot
It doesnt
iron prism
well then
strange python
Yeah hasn't for me
wheat zealot
It has like 3 yd. Aoe lol
mossy hazel
I use Heed, I thought it was one of our top traids
wheat zealot
Super small
strange python
It's really solid tbh
mossy hazel
*traits
dark crag
Blind doesn't remove your dots is much worse
iron prism
gotta love blind
iron prism
340 ss
wheat zealot
340 ss for m+ for sure
iron prism
you can sim it if you want but i guarantee it
wheat zealot
I got the 370 shpulders today too feelsgoodman
strange python
I need to run more Shrine
inner pulsar
NA has seen one 370 Emissary I think
strange python
Still don't have a Galecaller's
iron prism
better than my old 370 scent and 370 thunderous blast shoulders
wheat zealot
X1 340 x2 370 ss
strange python
I'm EU, the 385 SS was from last week
iron prism
yeah i dont have gc either, stuck with 370 socket corpuscle
iron prism
plumage is good though
iron prism
2 weeks ago: 385 gore-splattered vest(SS/Heed My Call)
last week: 385 ramient of the blighted tribe (ruinous bolt or fan of blades, gutripper) (why does this item exist)
this week: 380 jolly's boot dagger
strange python
last week was my lucky break
wheat zealot
Yeah mine was garbo too, got a 380 cannonball runner. Went right in the scrapper
strange python
Yeah I have 385 Gore-Splattered Vest too
oh I also have 385 shoulders with Meticulous Planning
wheat zealot
Last week was good for me though got 385 blightborne shoulders
strange python
Is Fan of Blades good for M+ you reckon
We do pretty aggressive pull a lot of the time
wheat zealot
What do you sim for, im at just over 17k at 376
iron prism
the problem with fan is that most of our m+/aoe damage comes from empowered garrote and rupture
daring imp
fok doesn't even come near 10% of our overall dmg
iron prism
i sim @ 15.1k ST @ 369, but that's with bad azerite traits for st. no DD, no archive, etc
wheat zealot
Yeah i have x1 LM, x1 BB x1 unstable catalyst
strange hatch
14.9k at 371 but with multi target gear
daring imp
over the course of ~30 m+ where i forgot to turn off live log ... fok was 6%
wheat zealot
Garrote is usually 35 percentish
strange python
I'll sim myself again
tbh the 40% nerf was pretty warranted looking back at it now
strange python
How much haste do you guys have
wheat zealot
16% in my m+ gear
compact bolt
23 in raid, about 17 in m+
strange hatch
17 in m+
strange python
Geez
wheat zealot
I go more for crit for m+
strange python
I have 24% in raid gear
strange hatch
22c/17h/34m/2v
iron prism
let me run some quick sims on stat weights
daring imp
20.xx in raid, about 6% on m+ gear
tough whale
24c/23h/25m/2v for raid, my m+ set is garbage so let's not look at that
strange python
I sim 16.2K at 373
iron prism
15.4k at 369 here
tough whale
17.3 at 377
tough whale
Yeah crit has a very brief breakpoint, i had to throw one crit gem on and then it went back down to like 1.8
mossy hazel
Yea I'm about 15.4 at 370
mossy hazel
Garbage?
tough whale
im ready for it tbh
mossy hazel
But honestly, 17? God damn
strange hatch
Until that pic I felt good with my 14 š
mossy hazel
Crazy, my server hadn't even hit the first 15 yet
Couple guys in my guild pushing hard for that realm first
tough whale
Don't, we did like 5 tol dagors last night. Missed a 18 because krogus overlapped his abilities and we had a bomb upstairs detonate on us during trash
bombs on 3rd boss / hallways can randomly explode and kill people below it : )))
strange hatch
What group comp do you run?
strange python
moved some pieces around
tough whale
Prot pal / warlock / mage / rogue / rdruid is what our tol was
our seige was prot pal warlock dh rogue rduid
strange python
Now I'm 23 crit/21 haste/25 mast/1 vers for m+
will look at moving some other pieces around
plain cairn
xd
strange python
ok
wary escarp
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
inner pulsar
That command just just return "Sim Yoself"
strange hatch
Getting there
strange python
3xSS
strange hatch
Give it a shot
iron prism
hmm so
raid/st weights: Haste 2.07 > Agility 1.92 > Versatility 1.79 > Mastery 1.75 = Critical Strike 1.75
m+ weights (3 targets, 2 min, no lust, no pots): Haste 3.44 > Agility 3.12 > Mastery 3.08 > Critical Strike 2.80 > Versatility 2.71
at least that's what i sim
strange hatch
For this week I went Patchx6 / 40-60s
iron prism
not saying that's necessarily correct but it felt relevant for my playstyle
tough whale
It also depends to how your group pulls yknow
iron prism
ofc
strange python
Yeah
iron prism
depends on if you're doing m15 or m2 etc so i don't know that there's a right answer
iron prism
but its more precise for me than assuming hero damage m+ is right
tough whale
There's not really, cause dungeons also are pulled hella differently
strange python
Yeah
tough whale
Like our tol dagor starts with like a 50 mob pull
strange python
Waycrest courtyard :^)
sick monolith
o shit bros got 385 SS chest from chest
strange python
Haha welcome to the club
iron prism
gore splattered? gz
sick monolith
yeh
iron prism
bis m+
iron prism
interesting that haste still weighs very high for me on aoe/m+ though
tough whale
Thankfully i got the fetid chest so im not hella upset
strange python
Yeah I used your sim Luni
Haste 3.34
Mastery 3.27
Agility 3.11
Crit 3.04
Vers 2.68
iron prism
@tough whale i have lots of SS but no decent traits for raiding. just a laser matrix head and SS really
strange python
Same Luni
tough whale
for raid i run 385 dd / 385 archive / 385 ss
strange python
370 Laser head, 340 SS shoulders and 385 SS chest is what I run atm
iron prism
i dont think i've seen a DD above 325
strange python
Been unlucky in mythic with Azerite drops
strange python
Damnnn
iron prism
yeah i run 10s every week but... always gloves lol
inner pulsar
I wonder just how much the sim overvalues DitB
iron prism
cant complain after 385 ss chest and 380 weap this week though
tough whale
I need another dagger from mother this week ><M
strange python
You have a 385 MH?
tough whale
w/ socket
iron prism
nice
iron prism
guild hasnt gotten mother past 20%, hopefully will down tonight and get a dagger
tough whale
Its one of my lower ilev peices so gotta get it
ionic charm
@iron prism doing all at once strat?
iron prism
@ionic charm no, people are afraid of it
on our 20% kill we had like 4 dead before we left the first room
hit hard enrage at 20%
ionic charm
Jesus, itās so much harder doing it that way
tough whale
We just rush g1 and 2 over real fast then slow it down a little
group on edge after winds/flame, drop darkness/slt, rush 4, everyone healthstones, rush 4
ionic charm
The key is having your FDK die so everyone else can parse
tough whale
we had a heroic where i was one of like 4 dps alive for 60%->kill, was a great feeling
true rapids
my fathoms is beating out any combo of 380 (spyglass/galecallers/385 lustrous plumage)
strange python
Yeah
Fathoms is just plain broken
Getting a trinket is all about filling the other spot
2nd trinket slot is basically dead
desert vault
blight is good in m+ right? Like 1x SS and 1x Blight should be fine rather than 2x SS?
strange hatch
On same ilvl?
tough whale
pog!
desert vault
i'd have to reforge every time to go from Blight to 2x SS and I'm lazy on top of it
doubt its a huge different cause Blight seems pretty strong
jade grotto
390 My'das talisman from chest, end me...
desert vault
differnce
tough whale
I usually end up running 3x ss on fort and slimming down on SS for tyr
strange hatch
My blight is 385 over 340 SS .. itās working
desert vault
true it is fort
tough whale
Yeah at that point is a major difference
desert vault
so maybe the extra SS would be nice and Blight for tyr
tough whale
ill run 385 dd over 345 ss for tyr weeks but i need that juicy aoe
strange hatch
Still retain a 340 SS :/
ripe geyser
!wa
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tough whale
dropped 2 ilevels for a socketed ring feelsbadman
ripe geyser
fuck me
royal lantern
but why, now you can do more dps and tell people with a higher ilvl that they suck
tough whale
Cause i want a juicy ilevel AND more dps š”
desert vault
hmm maybe I'll run some 3x SS, never been able to do that but I've 3x now
that would be fun
tough whale
Its a good week for 3x ss
desert vault
I still have not one socketed piece of gear
tough whale
im at 5
strange hatch
Got 7
tough whale
Waiting for sockets on azerite 
strange hatch
Just a matter of wanting it enough!
desert vault
I can't bitch really after the GCB I got today ... 395