Yes. I still go for 1 SS in raids just for opener.
#assassination
winter gale
1x ss with 2 archieves is what I will aim for. I just need that head with Archieve to replace my Laser with it.
rugged jetty
does exang sim lower for everyone and they play it anyways?
daring imp
depends on traits/overall gear you have
daring imp
i simmed higher with exsang until i got a 370 ttk & 385 blightborne infusion, both with overwhelming power
flint verge
why ss chest sims -2,4%?
ruby idol
Exang has value in aoe, tb doesnt
That's the short version of it
ruby idol
Energy regen
daring imp
overwhelming power loss AND you didn't pick the 2nd ring trait simming for it @flint verge , did you? @_@"
ruby idol
You just exang whatever you rupture first in a pack and have energy to get out more ruptures and ct
rugged jetty
oh ok
ruby idol
By the time it ends you've stabilized your energy generation with enough bleeds to just spam abilities
Tb doesnt bring that, it's just st damage
flint verge
@daring imp thanks, I sim again
daring imp
also as you have ttk i'd try simming with MA/tb instead of subterfuge/tb
rugged jetty
ttk?
daring imp
twist the knife, helm trait
pine crag
@rugged jetty (Back from lunch), from my understanding Exsang only improves single targeet no? Because it improves the bleeds on your target
Am i right
?
daring imp
well just check it out on the talent combos you can run on the sim
think about it like this, you're spreading garrotes and trying to fok spam at the same time on a pack of, let's say, 5 mobs
ruby idol
I just explained it
daring imp
you aren't likely to have much energy after opener to spam every gcd on skills
exs will help that a lot
like, real lot
ruby idol
:)
rugged jetty
heres both chests and ect
trying to get everything setup for mythic raid tonight lol
since im swapping mains gotta go big d
xD
rugged jetty
lol
i sim all the time
just not sure what to do atm
LOL
exang 200 dps loss or tb ;x
daring imp
you compared MA vs subterfuge on that setup already?
o
nvm
i see it there
i'm blind
daring imp
i mean, for single target it's not absurdly better as it was before, but it's still good, what also makes a difference is that your ss chest doesn't have overwhelming power
pine crag
Do you remember the website that had the best in bag feature?
flint verge
ok ty
pine crag
Also reminds that there exists some add fights in raid where SS can help
rugged jetty
@pine crag raidbot? lol
daring imp
ye, if you can take advantage of subterfuge on a fight, ss will have its value increased
rugged jetty
ie mythic vec lol
daring imp
uh also dunno if you mind me asking
pine crag
(for example vanish on Taloc when there are 2 bloods on the elevator for example)
daring imp
why do you gem all for crit and enchant vers? from sub/outlul?
pine crag
Oh right, @rugged jetty they renamed it Top gear
rugged jetty
who the human rogue/
pine crag
Can't wait to do that, I have 7 azerite piece in bank, I did rule of thumb for the past month, give me that free 5% dps!
flint verge
So Overwhelming power is better than heed my call?
daring imp
oh boy you'll only know when you have it
pine crag
bloodmallet says so
rugged jetty
you can sim multi traits
daring imp
those ~1.6k haste procs with 3x overwhelming power are ridiculous
and huge uptime too
daring imp
blightborne infusion 385 simming better than dd 385 to me because of overwhelming power
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pine crag
I just want to share a valuable advice I just read on reddit: "My tip for any assassination rogues is play slow, if your envenom falls off, wait till you have a good amount of energy again and do a nice long chain for finishers before pooling again. The spec is about patience and stacking buffs like EB, envenom, TB etc not spamming out as much as possible, because as long as you don’t Over cap energy or combo points you’ll still do the same amount of finishers playing slowly than someone spamming mutilate ASAP"
Can be worth applying to gain some % because of buff stacking 😃
Wasn't aware of that before
pine crag
Haha, I do the same without thinking, maybe I will try to pool a bit, and get nice weakauras to see when I almost cap energy!
rustic talon
Haha same here u are 100 precent right mate i know what u mean
daring imp
i feel like you should "rush" to 4~5 cp when there's still envenom buff up ( specially if you use DD for example ), but if it falls off and your bleeds are good, boi just pool that shit
rustic talon
I spame it like crazy instead taking it easy
pine crag
All the rogues have the same issue haha!
daring imp
sap pets lul
rustic talon
Ok on start i sap pet and then ?
west gate
blind pet
daring imp
sorry i'm not a good pvp'er, i usually run rbgs to either sit bases or cap some base
rustic talon
@west gate
pine crag
or kill pet and don't let him rez (by cutting/stunning)
He will need to turtle to rez him
works well in 3s
quartz rune
I mean where are u fighting?
pearl meteor
esp as sin
quartz rune
Is it duell or arena or what
quartz rune
Idk ur pretty fucked in duels i think
pearl meteor
u open u burst u keep him stunned if he trinkets u blind and reset if he doesnt trinket u just win in opener
as sin
lol
rustic talon
@pearl meteor
quartz rune
U just dont have much dmg in opener ? I guess
pearl meteor
wut
quartz rune
Flare just rips opener pretty hard
quartz rune
So ur saying u sap macro the Camouflaged hunter earlier than flare getting u out of invis?
sturdy python
You can't find a camo Hunter if he sits on flare
rustic talon
But does bm hunter have flare at all
sturdy python
Yes they do
pearl meteor
if he sitting on flare uk exactly where he is and with subt u still get opener
sturdy python
But if you get hit by flare you're a monkey
pearl meteor
yup
sturdy python
🤔
quartz rune
U dont have subt if u get hit by flare though right
sturdy python
Yo do but yo gotta get the Hunter out
pearl meteor
Lol....
sturdy python
And you won't be able to sap pet
quartz rune
I mean u dont have subt if Dh gets you out of invis
spice surge
You do not have subterfuge if you get flared
sturdy python
And how you gonna reset against a BM Hunter lol
pearl meteor
do u not know how to reset as rogue?
dreamy fiber
You 100% don't have sub if u get flared, @pearl meteor would know that if he wasnt hard stuck 1300
pearl meteor
i never said u do
sturdy python
Yes you did
sturdy python
u open u burst u keep him stunned if he trinkets u blind and reset if he doesnt trinket u just win in opener
dreamy fiber
Anarchy is a monkey LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
sturdy python
Is what you said
dreamy fiber
4HEAD
sturdy python
Anarchy likes to act like he's Superior and everyone else is a monkey
quartz rune
So how do u win
sturdy python
Both sit in stealth...gg we win
spice surge
I mean hes acting that way because he is 😄
pearl meteor
🤔
dreamy fiber
You don't win even skill vs BM but he wants to call everyone bad 💩
quartz rune
So if both afk in stealth u win Anarchy?
pearl meteor
sure dude
spice surge
Hunter stealth is only 1 min
dreamy fiber
If you have the best connection ye @quartz rune
sturdy python
Unless it's changed you can just recast camo
daring imp
uh, i've never tested but does cloak immune flare's effect?
pearl meteor
guess u cant break stealth without running into flare 🤔
rustic talon
Guys so hunter go stealth and i go stealth should i wait is it gona expire for him
sturdy python
No you can't lol
quartz rune
Oh really anarchy
daring imp
'cuz cloak>sstep>open on him might not be a bad idea when he's going to recast cammo
daring imp
i've never tested that's why i'm asking @_@"
dreamy fiber
Just rush the flare/camo and pray you can outplay him. Orrrrrrrr stop duelling and go play arena for more fun
spice surge
You can PK and get subterfuge before you jump into his flare to blast him btw
sturdy python
Sounds like the best strat tbh
rustic talon
Tawn so i actually have to wait for him to apear and then vanish or something pls explane xd
sturdy python
You cant pk if he is camo
quartz rune
I mean if u vanish opener u dont get reset
rustic talon
What is pk and what is camo
strange python
Lol
quartz rune
Poisened knife and Camouflage
sturdy python
Pk is knife and camp is Hunter stealth
daring imp
if you have subterfuge before jumping on his flare do you still have subterfuge?
daring imp
then pk>sstep>cs>gar when he's going to recast cammo
pearl meteor
cant break stealth without running on flare 4head
quartz rune
It does though?
pearl meteor
lol
daring imp
well then just afk in stealth and hope he has to leave or something
or just logout
you win if you don't play
._.
pearl meteor
u can get him out in a flare and still get stun off so idk why every1 thinks they r good at 2k or something 🤷
rustic talon
Nice im now confused and never gona win this xd
daring imp
if you hit the hunter's pet does the hunter cammo gets off too?
daring imp
yea i mean you'll be "tab>pk" to try to use the pk on him
what if you hit a pet instead
quartz rune
But like isnt flare range >= sap range?
strange python
It is if he stands in middle
pearl meteor
lol
strange python
I mean you can’t sap him if he stands in middle
Maybe If he’s at edge or something
🤷
dry badge
Is venom rush viable at all?
quartz rune
No
rustic talon
Well there is no chance against bm then i guess ?
pearl meteor
lol
sudden sigil
In a ST sitaution, running crimsom tempest, is it better to use 5 point envonem or CT?
strange python
There is if you are better than him
quartz rune
And 1.3k said u can 
... just ask Pshero or some pvp god Kenshiro tbh its probably ur best bet
pine crag
move to the PvP channel plz, we don't need these monkey discussion here
pearl meteor
aww thuly i like how u assume things like putting words in my mouth too Lol
pine crag
it's more tied to ego actually, like every other pvp discussion 😃
strange python
We can talk about pvp here too
😃
To talk there too I guess
He asked in pvp channel but didn’t get an answer
So he came here
sturdy python
Fuu keeps typing!
vestal wren
#off-topic is the channel for this discussion...
spec channels are focused on pve, pvp is not a tabu topic.
however #pvp is usually more suiting for pvp discussions.
pine crag
Like 2-3 mns!
vestal wren
web app shows typing if you click in the text area 🤷
signal summit
Whats the timer between adds on mythrax ? Is it 1 min?
pearl meteor
yes
daring imp
Is it worth trying to line up vanish vendetta and exe with 1 ss trait?
pearl meteor
Exsang? Yes
terse crescent
I mean it's a 2 min CD on both so why wouldn't you
spice surge
Yes assuming you dont miss casts
Its then a case of holding onto vanish and vendetta for exsang, but if you miss a cast its not going to be worth so make sure you know fight timings
north crane
any1 is using AdvancedInterfaceOptions for nameplates distance?
strange python
@spice surge hey mate. Not been on here for a few days. Any interesting developments?
spice surge
🤷 Doesnt seem like it, i've been away aswell
charred oar
vigor or mfd for assi exsang m+
hexed otter
Got 1x SS Azeriat piece with 370 itemlevel (chest). still more worth then hitting 385 chest with rezan's fury or what do you mean?
simmed all day long
got me 500dps more then the 385
*less
strange python
ok so
sturdy python
Ilvl usually makes up for trait depending, do you have another piece of uldor azerite?
pearl meteor
@charred oar vig
hexed otter
@sturdy python actually it's an item from an emissary quest :). But yes got some more items from ulduar = shoulders and helmet with 355 itmlvl. On the other hand I got 385 for shoulders and chest with rezan's fury each :X
sturdy python
Oh then I misread. 15 I lvl is a lot so probably good to follow sim
I'd try to sim 4-6 boss patcheerk over 40s without lust to see if SS becomes better in aoe though
hexed otter
usually I sim heactiv cleave without any buffs to see if 1xSS better but I think that sticking to both 385 pieces with rezan's fury is the way to go. Maybe with 2xSS it will be better dps
sturdy python
Probably
vital crater
when should i use exsang over toxic blade? XD
hollow cloud
idk I prefer exsang
think the diffrence in dps is very low, but then again you could just look at sims and what people run currently in raids
stray root
What About for m+?
vital crater
alright 😃
hollow cloud
I always run exsang no matter what so prob not the best person to answer here
vital crater
thank you
hollow cloud
with 1-2x SS
stray root
What do you do on like 5+ packs to maximize it garrot on 3 targets and them rupture on 3 targets then exhang?
hollow cloud
Probably people out there with better answers than me but I just garrote 4x, rup 1, Fan of knives and rup 2x more targets, garrote last then fan of knives envenom spam
cause I run the Rupture gives agi trait
stray root
When do u pop the exhang then?
hexed otter
only on priority target
stray root
So in would garrot 3 targets rupture prio target then back to spread rupture on 2 more then knifes envenom spam?
hollow cloud
depends on the pack
but yeah I usually garrote 3-4 (first 3 empowered) always then have rupture up on 2-3 targets and just FoK envenom spam
strange python
do you guys know what ilvl you need so that you get 370 azerite gear from the emissary and not 355
stray root
Aight
hollow cloud
Some people said 366.7 or something
strange python
k
hollow cloud
Im very unsure
strange python
ty
stray root
My mate got it when he was 363 so think it's above 360 maybe
white seal
Is it good to use Titans outside Uldir?
white seal
Cause I really love to have 1x SS, but I have to lose that to use my 385 Titans
hollow cloud
I could just ask better people to get you a better answer :p
drifting elbow
u r gonna be doing less trash dps without SS but if u want to, go ahead
devout moth
guys can someone help me figure out what i need to do to improve my assa dps
i can't figure out what i'm doing wrng in my rotation
drifting elbow
0 fan of knives at least
devout moth
on taloc?
drifting elbow
yeah
devout moth
i didn't understand what u meant. should i be using it more or less?
sacred zenith
less
sacred zenith
^
devout moth
i only used it when there was adds xd trying to apply poisons to both
drifting elbow
i would like u to sim difference on second tier traits
heed my call is really poor dmg on that fight
devout moth
maybe i should do that
i mean there aer some fights where i do really fucking well
and others where i do shit dps
i don't understand
drifting elbow
yes its not much difference
but i would rather take statbuffer than heed my call
that dmg is sometimes just too random with raid bosses
modern osprey
i think i am simming too low
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qGqR96JLVA9KuYH3vjfHaS
drifting elbow
its kinda hard to analyze taloc log with long pause
strange python
Try going into ur vanishes with 2cp
So you can Gar - Rup - Gar
Nvm, you can try going into ur first vanish with 2cp too
devout moth
yeah its nice
thank you man
i've been wondering if 100 dps increase with exsang is better then TB
like i sim only 50 less with TB
and it is more forgiving
maybe i should just run TB
drifting elbow
most of times, doesnt make any difference
TB guy can pull more dps than exsan guy and other way around
but yeah, rotation seems fine. u r just using way too many FoK and not using second pot at the end of fight
strange python
Yeah never fok on less than 3 targets
spice surge
Ideally we'd want to see more fights than Taloc
strange python
And only fok on 3 targets if u need to apply poisons
strange python
You could also try getting ur bleeds uptime a little higher
Mine are 76% on taloc
I bet it can be even higher
drifting elbow
well depends on adds
spice surge
Well he had around 90% uptime during p1 and p3
strange python
Shouldnt it be 100%
crude hinge
so is our azerite trait situation any clearer? or is it still weird depending on your gear you sim better with random shite?
drifting elbow
what random shit?
raid gear is pretty clear traits
m+ prefers at least one SS
thats it
crude hinge
well I have the same Ilvl on all my gear and I have 2 double dose but I sim 2k better with 3 ss
drifting elbow
is that multitarget sim?
crude hinge
nope
rocky notch
post both
crude hinge
okay 1 sec
drifting elbow
well thats certainly weird sim when DD is considered better for ST than SS
crude hinge
its running now.
and yeah I always though I'd be running 2dd 1 ss cuz i do m+ exclusively
rocky notch
you said you sim 2k better
drifting elbow
oh they are practically same dps tho
rocky notch
idk where you got that idea
pine prism
Can't that be because he's specced for exang?
rocky notch
also if you actually gem and enchant your gear you end up with this
if you take tb dd is better by almost nothing
drifting elbow
yeah he simmed with only exsan but didnt take option of TB use with gear sim
still, dps is pretty much same whatever u choose 😄
crude hinge
oh TB makes DD better?
rocky notch
a little
pine prism
Exsang = bleeds
rocky notch
the difference between exsang and tb with your dd gear on is only 50 dps
crude hinge
LOL 50 more?
agile tulip
hey, assuming the targets live for at least 12s do I keep using rupture on 5+ mobs?
or do I envenom after a certain amount of ruptures?
rocky notch
are you using pb or ct
crude hinge
5+? i think last I read its like 3
pine prism
3
agile tulip
pb
pine prism
Try to have 3
drifting elbow
should be having dots on many long living targets
pine prism
At some point it becomes overkill though veqad
agile tulip
so no cap? not playing toxic blade either, playing with exs
drifting elbow
well 6+ mobs is overkill in m+ without overgearing 
strange python
You will have energy overflow with more than 4 rups
agile tulip
so I wanna envenom at that point right?
pine prism
yeah
strange python
Fok/Muti and Env yeah
pine prism
Or Tempest obviously
agile tulip
do I always fok btw on 2+?
pine prism
if u specced for that
strange python
@agile tulip 3 if u need to apply poisons, 4+ always
olive sedge
is tempest at all worth it outside of teeming?
agile tulip
if everything is poisoned do I mutilate on 1-3 I guess?
strange python
@agile tulip yes
pine prism
its not that cookiecutter
agile tulip
okay, thanks for the info guys
olive sedge
I feel MP and PB is more worth it with big pulls and quick finnishers
but thats just me
pine prism
PB is way to unreliable
MP is good in some cases
unreliable on big pulls***
before i get into a shitstorm :p
cobalt gyro
I've been running a mastery/crit heavy set for m+, but i feel like i don't do as much as I should when it comes to bosses. Would it be better to run a bit less mast/crit in favor of haste so that those aren't awful?
pine prism
I like to follow Fragnance's reasoning on the last talent row for mythics
olive sedge
can you elaborate? Im a bit outside of his knowledge base
pine prism
Watch the rogue mythic plus guide
faint harness
poison bomb with marked for death is pretty good
pine prism
its in the pins @olive sedge
Can't give u a timestamp because at work but just go to the talents part of the video if you don't care about the rest
proud ore
thoughts on https://www.wowhead.com/item=163933/aguas-band-of-augury ?
faint harness
not worth
proud ore
theres a socketed warforged one up
faint harness
unless you have shit rings i wouldnt buy it personally
proud ore
how much do u expect it to be up for
drifting elbow
taking full mastery ring when its not that super good one 
proud ore
whats the name of the one youre talking about
i have a ton of gold in game and i rarely raid and mostly pvp so i might pul lthe trigger for 200k
but i just found out about it and may be excited
faint harness
i dont know what stats are good for pvp
proud ore
200k seems not that high
drifting elbow
well mastery in pvp isnt that strong
proud ore
i got the recommended haste already
faint harness
well unless its something like the fathoms trinket or weapons i wouldnt spend money on boe's
proud ore
ok dude, thats adding nothing to the convo tho
spice surge
Haste/mastery for pvp, crit is pretty worthless
proud ore
is 200k a lot for this ring seems reasonable
spice surge
I would say the haste ring would be better
proud ore
whats its name
faint harness
I'm giving you the opinion on the ring, its prob not worht it. Get a haste/mastery ring from m0s instead or anywhere.
drifting elbow
its way too much for 350 one tho
proud ore
yea dude i know what boes are push
faint harness
(?)
proud ore
pikaboo uses one of those that isnt even warforged
whats the name of the haste ring tho
drifting elbow
unless u can math out full effect on single stat ring in PVP
i dont think anyone can really know if its good or not
faint harness
ask in pvp
proud ore
i know its good im just trying to get some opinions that arent fluff, the one about the haste ring was good but no one will give me a name
faint harness
"That isnt fluff" what do you even expect
proud ore
i just told you what i expected, not that you dont like buying shit im not gonna argue with you lol
drifting elbow
hard to know names when single stat rings arent popular without single stat being op
cobalt gyro
The seal from freehold has a shitload of haste
proud ore
dude just directly referenced a boe haste ring
faint harness
What am i supposed to tell you then? What kind of answer are you even looking for.
"buy the ring, single stat mastery is amazing dood 420"
proud ore
u dont gotta keep replying to everything looking for a fight dude
hoary umbra
How does vendatta work exactly. If I rupture, will each damage tick for higher while I have vendatta on them ,or will all ticks have higher damage if I apply the rupture with vendatta. Meaning, should you vendatta and then rupture, or the other way around
drifting elbow
this is getting out of control when asker doesnt agree with stuff said
faint harness
I gave you my opinion of why you shouldnt buy the ring. I thought that was what you were after. Not looking for a fight lmao.
proud ore
i just said lets move on from 'id rather not buy boes' as an opinion
drifting elbow
i mean its relevant
proud ore
ok, but lets move on from it
proud ore
im coming here for opinions on it
holy shit u guys have ur heads so far up ur own ass massive yikes
drifting elbow
lol wut
faint harness
I'm confused
drifting elbow
u just dont like our opinions
proud ore
never seen anoter spec channel like this one every time lol
drifting elbow
?????
faint harness
Buy the ring if you want it, haha
proud ore
haha
cobalt gyro
I wouldn't spend 200k on a 350 boe when access to 370 (or higher) loot is pretty easy to get
proud ore
oh, thats how loot works haha
proud ore
thanks guys didnt know how loot works haha
dense blaze
Feels weird not using a single SS
proud ore
haha heres my elementary opinion 15 times in a row haha
cobalt gyro
I mean, I'm just saying. 200k is a lot when you could just run an m10 or an arena for the same thing
vast forum
With the current pvp scaling system, a 350 socketed pure haste ring is worth a lot in pvp
proud ore
yea i know
drifting elbow
elementary opinion
proud ore
whats the name of a boe haste ring
faint harness
Google it
vast forum
But is it worth 200k is up to you
proud ore
i have to google everything then whats teh poitn of this channel?
dense blaze
Things you can't google
faint harness
Its not a item encyclopedia
drifting elbow
whats the point of asking opinion when u dont like opinions given
proud ore
ok i cant google boe haste ring i tried
drifting elbow
with a mention that there is haste ring
proud ore
yes thats the 2nd person to
drifting elbow
but other wouldnt buy mastery one
faint harness
I wonder who keeps track of the BoE names in here, i doubt anyone is
proud ore
@vast forum do you have a name of the haste ring
strange python
Buy ring do mongo big dick dmg. Probably carried to glad by ring alone.
No skill needed just haste ring
proud ore
i have a pog amount of gold just weighing my options
@drifting elbow what did this mean?
raw relic
will shrouded suffocation stack up 2 or 3 times?
raw relic
thanks m8
shrewd bane
Do you think it's worth to use crimson tempest on a boss with exsang ? idk
strange python
no
shrewd bane
(with rupture and garrot debuff)
shrewd bane
I prefer poison bomb but CT is more reliable on trash
strange python
Like shark boss when he starts to spin
proud ore
i bought it yolo
strange python
For how much
proud ore
200k
proud ore
i run the scribe market on my server man im balling out relax
strange python
still a waste
proud ore
my bnet is maxed out and i bought cod for all my friends for real money ima just blow it on skins anyways
this is like how an AH guy gets geawr i guess, id rather do this than m+
i put it back up for 400k and ill spam trade a bit before equipping
if a haste ring exists let me know
drifting elbow
at that price, its even more unlikely that someone buys it
strange python
all depends on realm market
modest zodiac
Did they lowkey nerf our energy regeneration? it feels like SHITE
strange python
no
modest zodiac
i literally cant even multiate have to wait 4 seconds
strange python
wrong gear?
bright shale
Time for another week of raiding boys and girls
inner pulsar
Stuck in slow motion?
modest zodiac
yeah i checked all those
faint harness
My week isnt over yet
dense blaze
What is your haste
modest zodiac
18% haste
quick fog
Vigor?
modest zodiac
on
faint harness
4 seconds to mutilate, doesnt sound right
dense blaze
I'm at 19% with vigor and mutilating feels fine, you won't be clicking something every GCD with this spec
strange python
sin is a slow spec
dense blaze
Just watch your dots play the game
bright shale
I'm at 20% unbuffed and there are luls
dense blaze
Yeah it's pretty low
strange python
simcraft says its like 40
faint harness
yea but if you look at actual logs its higher
sturdy python
I have a hard time believing its one of the higher ones
dense blaze
I have a feeling that fluctuates on the fight
sturdy python
All casters never stop casting
dense blaze
And I am also seriously doubting it;s one of the higher ones
dense blaze
From what fight on what difficulty
inner pulsar
Lol, 380 ilvl? Mythic
dense blaze
Are you implying I should assume it's mythic because of the iLevel
spice surge
Mutilate casts should be halved if your comparing to others as it counts both main and offhand as different casts
inner pulsar
Yes, that is what I am implying
sturdy python
So affliction casts 30 times a minute?
dense blaze
Silly thing to imply in all honesty
faint harness
yea tawney
some specs are extremely slow
removing 84 casts put assa at like 40 casts per minute
sounds about right then
spice surge
Rogues just have a short gcd, thus making gaps where you dont cast feel long because when you do have lots of energy you can cast it very ferquently
faint harness
frost DKs were called a fast paced spec by Blizzard
casting 1 ability every 2 seconds on average
tranquil snow
what would be the highest APM in pve then, DH maybe?
dense blaze
Outlaw 5 buff
dense blaze
outlaw 5 buff would probably rule all
inner pulsar
Heal sniping resto shaman?
dense blaze
Well that's healing
faint harness
DH isnt as fast paced anymore
modest zodiac
Did we get a nerf overall tho ?
faint harness
Why would they nerf assassination
opaque grotto
If you’re running Demon’s bite you should have a button to press every global on DH right?
inner pulsar
1.) It was a joke, 2.) Question was PvE, not DPS
tranquil snow
I mean you build and dump resources on demand, you aren't ever starved no ?
faint harness
yea but every global on a DH is still about 1.25-1.5 gcd capped
tranquil snow
what is your gcd as pve assa peoples?
spice surge
I mean, only speccs with energy have 1s gcd
faint harness
1
opaque grotto
1
tranquil snow
doesn't it go down with haste ?
spice surge
No
opaque grotto
No
faint harness
only for vendetta
inner pulsar
Was waiting for it haha
strange python
looking to trail a decent rogue for eu m+ tonight around 8pm ST. Have 800+ r.io, /w me for more info 😃
oh probably a channel for this
my bad
strange python
nice one
dense blaze
If you're not 1600+ yet, it's over..
strange python
ye man
faint harness
4Head
modest zodiac
It's beginner
inner pulsar
Womp womp
fading spade
I'm thinking yall should get back on topic before the mods come again...
dense blaze
sure is, sure can
inner pulsar
............
faint harness
What items are best for assassination
i have many
should i use the haste weapon enchant on MH or OH
opaque grotto
Hey does reorigination array stack?
What if I have one laser matrix and one archive?
fading spade
Love the smell of trolls in the morning
opaque grotto
Does anyone have a bis list for gear??
faint harness
Will i do bad in heroic raids if i have one ss on st boss
sturdy python
How do you beat a BM with camo in a duel
hazy sphinx
Should I use daggers or maces as sin?
spice surge
Doggers
opaque grotto
Is a sword in offhand okay??
faint harness
is assa fun to play?
sturdy python
Screw that, put the poison on the mace and bash it into their body
hazy sphinx
Only if u don't want to mutilate
opaque grotto
Do I press toxic blade on cooldown?
dense blaze
It's downright impossible
faint harness
can i use vendetta on bosses?
inner pulsar
Doggers, now that would be funny, swinging a dog around during Shuriken Storm
sturdy python
Shurijen storm, what is this off topic again
mossy hazel
Mut is trash ability. Don't even have it on my bar
faint harness
can someone check my log, what i am doing wrong, i died halfway into the fight btw
keen inlet
Memes belong in #off-topic
inner pulsar
Haha, still thinking of Zul from last night
keen inlet
for the hundred millionth time
hollow mica
Thank the lord
opaque grotto
That didn’t take long
inner pulsar
I mean't Fan of Knives
opaque grotto
Who snitched
hazy sphinx
Then go post em there. We are trying to hold a conversation here
fading spade
Mmkay now that the idiocy is over, why do you all think twist sims so low. I am using a stack of it currently and i feel it really smooths out the envenom buff. Really helps with uptime
faint harness
Because what feels good dont always translate into better numbers
But twist the knife isnt bad
opaque grotto
I don’t think envenom uptime is that important in the rotation right now
Like you’re not clipping 3 CP envenoms to maintain it or anything.
faint harness
The simc profile someone made is running 2x archive and 1x twist the knife
fading spade
last week i was running 1 archive 2 SS (best i had)
faint harness
prob cus twist the knife > SS on st
opaque grotto
Yeah but if that’s the case why not just use DD on the sim
faint harness
which is also why that list is meh anyway
opaque grotto
Does envenom affect DD?
fading spade
other than the increased envenom uptime i mean if youre playing with the tb build ttk is amazing
opaque grotto
Like what about 1 DD 1 twist
dense blaze
Blightborne infusion though, I hear that's a good one nowadays
faint harness
I am running DD, SS and Archive atm
opaque grotto
I’m running SS SB and archive
pine crag
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opaque grotto
Exsang tho
faint harness
also playing exsang
opaque grotto
With DD?
faint harness
but i'm willing to try 2x archive and 1x twist the knife (370 tho) with MA and TB
opaque grotto
I honesty hate MA but I bet ttk is sick with it
opaque grotto
I’m just not a fan of MA
faint harness
nah the opener feels like shit
faint harness
3 seconds is too short
quick fog
Spam faster
opaque grotto
Yea I was trying to explain this yesterday and got shit on
faint harness
ur vanish is basically just 1 buffed envenom
faint harness
if you're lucky
opaque grotto
If MA was 100% then I would do that
faint harness
Like i got like 4 CPs into TB into vanish into envenom into muti into envenom, praying for crits, but it doesnt happen
quick fog
But +50% puts me at like 72%. It's like a 35% chance to get the double crit to get 2 env
quick fog
You aren't upset about the dmg from a possible mut crit though. So I'm gonna take my chances on the upside
opaque grotto
To each his own
quick fog
(Dmg from 2nd cast I mean)
faint harness
I always gamble so i might try that
opaque grotto
SS + subt is just the more consistent route, thankfully it sims higher for me anyways
faint harness
was also one of the guys that would gamble with eye beam resets in t21 DH
quick fog
Also if you have any of the trinkets that increase crit chance, like both of the spyglass, your odds are pretty damn good.
faint harness
I have galecallers + fathoms
opaque grotto
I have 385 taloc trink and fathoms
faint harness
so thats a no
quick fog
I'm on Lion's Guilde and the debuff crit spyglass
faint harness
i've seen some crit/haste builds work out
like the rank 1 assa rogue on warcratlogs, he's running 1.3k crit and 1.7k haste (with array)
or 1.250 crit maybe
balancing crit with haste but keeping haste slightly higher to bait the array
opaque grotto
Yea I haven’t had the gear luck to balance my stats like that
At least I have a shitload of haste
faint harness
i geared for both sub and assa early on
so i kept a bunch of crit/haste haste/crit rings etc
ember ermine
faint harness
yaysus
opaque grotto
That’s a phat trink
faint harness
why the sad face
faint harness
no after this
opaque grotto
Hey bud
faint harness
his*
opaque grotto
Look to the right of the link
faint harness
":/"
strange python
385 galecallers woo
dense blaze
Another worthless weapon
ionic charm
I didn’t think that was a sad face, figured meh. Not azerite, but good trinket
mossy hazel
I was literally about to ask if anyone's got any good trinkets from chest
wheat zealot
Fucking 380 cannonball
mossy hazel
Cannonball isn't bad though isn't it?
strange python
Do you guys macro your on use trinks into something?
faint harness
it is
faint harness
cannonball is horrible to play with
mossy hazel
That's fair, I haven't really looked at it, thought it was just rated higher
faint harness
i dont macro galecallers, but 2 min cds i usually line up with vendetta
ember ermine
Dont mind me @faint harness for some reason I thought it was worse than it was
faint harness
trinkets*
ember ermine
Im on 3hrs of sleep
ember ermine
With Leach
mossy hazel
I've still got like 5 hours before I can go home and open my chest...
ember ermine
Poggers
mossy hazel
First +10 I've completed
strange python
I figure macro'ing galecallers into fan of knives and mut would work fine
because theyre two abilities you dont use until after you've applied bleeds
faint harness
dont do it if you run exsanguinate
strange python
running tb
faint harness
i dunno if you wanna keep the trinket for anything special as TB
mossy hazel
Depending on what I get from chest I'm probably switching to MA/TB for raid tonight
mossy hazel
That combo sims 1.2% higher than Sub/exsang right now
strange python
why save it for tb?
faint harness
cus you wanna smash as many envenoms into the bosses face as possible while TB is up
and galecallers haste will help with that
desert vault
Oh damn ... I won't even mention what I got ... WTF, I guess that is my luck for the expansion
opaque grotto
Galecaller’s snapshots exsang so it’s ez
faint harness
yea for exsang you need to keep it
but as TB i dunno where it makes sense
395 socketed trinket?
faint harness
Kreygasm
quick fog
Niceu
desert vault
Yeah I almost fell out of my chair honestly
strange python
raidbots patreon: best thing i ever did
desert vault
guess its Exsang time prolly
mossy hazel
I'm broke as shit
faint harness
i have subbed to raidbots since tos or something
what does it even cost
like 2-3 dollars
strange python
I do $3
spice surge
My guild has a shared one 👌
mossy hazel
That's interesting
desert vault
a lot of people doing GCB and Dice for m+ I heard or still GCB and Fathoms
faint harness
i do gcb + fathoms cus i dont have anything else
desert vault
Hrm Exsang 100 DPS better than TB
mossy hazel
I was actually liking exsang build. Not entirely sure I want to go back to TB, I really never enjoyed that ability
vapid moth
fresh bough
Dice probably better then considering you don't need to stand still?
mossy hazel
Better itemization than what I have is going to be a huge dps gain. I don't have the time to constantly farm for the better trinkets, so I have what I have
desert vault
Its a 395 GCB though ... like ...
fresh bough
That's pretty pog
desert vault
just didn't sim as high as I thought, my azerite pieces are total trash though
Laser Matrix, Poison Wire ...
mossy hazel
It's going to be weird not running SS tonight... I'm not looking forward to it... I probably should have practiced. Haha
desert vault
I just hope I can get some raid azerite stuff, I hate Laser Matrix
mossy hazel
Guide: G M R Ven TB Mut Van Env
APL: GMR Ven VAN TB Mut Env
Assuming I should run with the APL
lilac lily
The difference is pretty much zero
lilac lily
do what you're used to or what you're more comfortable with
lilac lily
difference is like 30 dps or something
mossy hazel
Less than "refresh bleeds, exsang" ?
ionic charm
You don’t have to worry about holding any cooldowns 10-20 seconds for them all to lineup. Just let them fly
mossy hazel
Something in just about every fight always causes me to fuck up my CDs anyway
I think I've asked this before but Zek progression. Was anyone running CT for the swarm?
Another Sin rogue in my core group is using it, suggested I should too
high siren
i am
mossy hazel
I used it a few pulls but I didn't like how it felt so I just went back to ST
ionic charm
You can use it, but if your guild is struggling with the little adds, you should consider playing outlaw. I ended up parsing much higher with PB and st traits, but that’s anecdotal
mossy hazel
Feel like between the other guy using CT, the Outlaw and ther est of the group aoe we've got it covered
high siren
well, don't feel like PB helps much
mossy hazel
It does on the weavers though
royal lantern
pb is not a gigantic st dmg boost man
mossy hazel
No it's not, but it's better ST boost than CT. Lol
ionic charm
And CT is a large dps gain for a small amount of time on the least important targets in the fight
royal lantern
sooo.....your group struggles too get the adds down and you say´´fk it, i want too do 4%more st dmg, not my problemm!´´?
mossy hazel
I didn't say we were struggling
I actually specifically said " I feel like we've got it covered"
But thanks
mossy hazel
tbh, I think one of our struggles is actually getting all the weavers down quick enough
Eh, that actually may not be accurate, nevermind on that one
strange python
Never take CT in Uldir.
high siren
why
strange python
cos it's bad.
strange python
Many rogues use CT on zekvoz f.ex
burnt lagoon
which dungeons are poison bomb? temple & kings ye?
mossy hazel
Sin is not good for Zul
mossy hazel
I've already been berated for that. Lol
strange python
fucking lfr players telling to look at logs
of people padding with CT
?????
when sub does 10x more dmg
meaningful dmg
Are you butthurt
pastel vault
Nah just 2x more damage
strange python
Seems like it
ionic charm
Lol you should not be runnin sin on zul unless you’re talking about heroic padding, in which case none of this matters
mossy hazel
I mean that's not even really an arugement
It's like saying this white dagger is better than this grey dagger
They're both still garbage
mossy hazel
I thought so
strange python
????
ionic charm
Real rogues limit their play style to 2 because outlaw isn’t a real spec
strange python
I was just responding to a dumb statement that you shouldn't take CT in uldir
only dumb on here is you.
#2 log on Zek is with CT
🤷
then again, what can you expect someone who is hard stuck in heroic
Imagine going for personal attacks
Loooool
How low
sullen pagoda
i mean you "shouldn't" if you play the best spec at every boss
sullen pagoda
yea i know
high siren
btw, we were talking about zek voz
crisp hollow
CT doesn't contribute relevant damage in the context of uldir
yeah you can parse with it
but its padding
is what I think tisumifan is getting at
sullen pagoda
for zekvoz just go outlaw for aoe or sub for caster adds