w/e u need that ray buff
#assassination
jaunty arrow
pearl meteor
1 archive
raw torrent
Bro normal parses are where it’s at
wheat zealot
Lm isent even bad in,raid
strange python
Archive and LM are close in sims
wheat zealot
They sim about the same
pearl meteor
Yes it is
indigo verge
ur tinkets suck as wel
jaunty arrow
but agi is agi
wheat zealot
Archive is better for sure, but lm is close
fluid sail
been trying to get better trinkets but no luck
pearl meteor
Like 150+ dps close
indigo verge
even at 390 that construct chargers is prob worse than a 355 galecallers
strange python
jaunty arrow
construct sux 😄
fluid sail
hmm ok
visual token
Lazorz
jaunty arrow
lul
indigo verge
you didnt vanish once
jaunty arrow
maybe perp have just a pepehands 
indigo verge
also try simming master assassin instead of subterfuge
for single targett
but you should vanish for those empowered garrotes
could have vanished 4 times in the whole fight with vendetta
pearl meteor
Vanish is overrated delete skill
strange python
Any1 knows how to force sim to start with 20 stacks of archive?
indigo verge
@fluid sail also during the first phase of mythrax ur poison uptime is a bit low
fluid sail
yeah i got that stupid debuff 4 times in a row
where i had to run out
prob couldve poisoned knife more
flat ocean
the mythrax debuff?
pearl meteor
Mhm
fluid sail
Immiment Ruin
flat ocean
lmao thats a healer problem
pearl meteor
Agreed
flat ocean
i stopped running out weeks ago
pearl meteor
Lmao
flat ocean
on heroic atleast
pearl meteor
Oh we don’t move on mythic either
calm grail
That's what I say during bursting weeks in dungeons
flat ocean
just killed zul tonight bby
calm grail
Not going to slow down, that's a problem for healers.
pearl meteor
Gl gl
pearl meteor
Once u get first phase its an easy fight lmao
indigo verge
@fluid sail you had a few toxic blades where u only got 1 envenom off
try pooling enough energy for at least 2
and during vendetta you should try and get 3 inside the window
and as a general rule you should pool your energy so u can clip a couple of Elaborte plannings with envenom
fluid sail
gotcha
strange python
I was told not to clip EP
fluid sail
thats all very helpful!
just for clarification on the azerite, I should only have 1 of either LM or Archive?
strange python
To actually never clip EP
pearl meteor
U want mut mut env in ep window
flat ocean
you should sim yourself perp
fluid sail
i do sim fam
indigo verge
it depends on the other traits u have
fluid sail
every piece
flat ocean
sometimes you want more than one arch or LM
sturdy python
Sim to be sure perp but you should have 1 in uldif a least
north crane
ep=?
flat ocean
what tawney said
pearl meteor
Elab planning
sturdy python
Past that one it just depends on your options
north crane
ah
indigo verge
@strange python why should you not clip ep?
strange python
As in using another finisher while Ep is still up
sturdy python
You want envenom at the last .5 secs of ep
strange python
Oh well thats ok
indigo verge
yeh clipping i think implies doing it at the last moment
indigo verge
so u get the finisher damage within the 10% boost
flat ocean
like during lust
indigo verge
yeh never cap energy
pearl meteor
Lmao ye
flat ocean
- haste proc on weapon
indigo verge
during vendetta lust phase
flat ocean
or some shit
strange python
yeye I understand
strange python
😎
indigo verge
@fluid sail you should try getting the loaded dice, galecallers and the dooms wake
and try simming master assassin since ur running toxic blade and so SS traits
pearl meteor
Is dooms wake ever better than gcb for tb? At same ilvl
pearl meteor
I dont ever play tb so i wldnt know
pearl meteor
Ah
indigo verge
so not worth farming
pearl meteor
I c
pearl meteor
Cuz for exsang gcb is huge lmao
indigo verge
well go run some freehold
pearl meteor
Wld never use dw
flat ocean
i got 385 dice with socket from a run the other day
indigo verge
it's not as good now since SS is kinda bad for single target
i have a 365 dice with socket
pearl meteor
Ss is my highest st
indigo verge
sockets are absolutely broken
pearl meteor
Saying its bad is purely dependent on gear
indigo verge
i just meant it's not as good anymore
strange python
yes
pearl meteor
In a perfectly min max world ss will fall behind dd but ss is still better for most fights in uldir 🤷♀️
flat ocean
i run double double dose
strange python
But its great for Mother 3rd room
flat ocean
- 1 archive
strange python
Fetid 50%
pearl meteor
Vectis, fetid, mother, myth, ghuun
sturdy python
Too bad sin doesn't have more space changing traits like SS
indigo verge
toxic blade can be as bursty with vendetta and lust i think
sturdy python
Or that might be a good thing, idk
flat ocean
nah
strange python
Depends how many SS traits u have though
flat ocean
i burst more with tb
indigo verge
i run master Assassin so depending on crits u can get up to 4/5 envenoms
pearl meteor
Wut
flat ocean
on ST anyway
strange python
Exactly opposite
flat ocean
yeah
strange python
rofl
tough lantern
you can get dmg from SS trait with shadowmeld on bosses
anyone else know about htis
pearl meteor
Yes
strange python
it works?
pearl meteor
For some things
sturdy python
I heard it doesn't work in raid
pearl meteor
Not raid
tough lantern
you don't get subterfuge dmg but only SS dmg i think
acoustic tinsel
I know this question is kinda stupid, but any professions you guys recommend atm
sturdy python
Ah ok, still legit for dungeons though.
pearl meteor
It only works as a means to drop combat u cant just get ss on raid bosses
sturdy python
Alchemy for longer flasks, LW if you need gear
acoustic tinsel
I dont need gear anymore
sturdy python
Depending on these new eng helms in 8.1 it might be great
tough lantern
nah you can get dmg on bosses tho i think
acoustic tinsel
I was thinking alch and eng or ench
pearl meteor
You cant
sturdy python
Then right now profs don't matter much
tough lantern
the dmg from shadowmeld is diff then full stealth
pearl meteor
Im aware, and you dont shadowmeld gar you have to restealth
sturdy python
Which yo can't do in raid combat
tough lantern
i know about that
pearl meteor
Exactly
tough lantern
you can't meld and restealth on a dungeon boss right?
sturdy python
Not sure there
pearl meteor
Yes u can
sturdy python
Does vanish drop combat?
tough lantern
you can't
hidden oasis
How cool is that i have 4 chest pieces with SS
and 0 other pieces
ELE GIGGLE BOIS
im so fucked
sturdy python
They should've had a mechanic where yo destroy a piece and can add a trait to another
strange python
u cant drop combat in a raid enouncter
hidden oasis
idk what to use :S
pearl meteor
Im not gonna try to argue it w/ u it doesnt work in raid, some dungeons it does
sturdy python
Of course then we just farm m0 constantly
tough lantern
my garrote ticks 1.4k w/o sub/SS 6.5k with sub/SS and ticks for 3.4k with just SS from Shadowmeld
hidden oasis
I have to choose between
pearl meteor
🙃
pearl meteor
What ilvl
hidden oasis
sim shows 1 array without SS is better
pearl meteor
Is array
bright shale
I'm so close to the 16k club guys
hidden oasis
well lemme screenshot
bright shale
Only problem is... there is no more loot in heroic uldir for me except tf socketed
And we barely raid mythic
pearl meteor
Archive in raid
mossy hazel
Finally MA sims higher for me, but only with TB
jaunty arrow
how haste it affects bleeds, if u proc haste during smth u got more dmg per tick right?
pearl meteor
Haste doesn’t increase dmg done per tick
Inc rate at which they tick
Yes @hidden oasis
jaunty arrow
so for example i use rup with 0 haste + from proc. its do w/e 20k if i gor proc in the midle of duration rup does more dmg right? or no
hidden oasis
u think it will be ok if i use that 340 helm with SS just for the SS 😄
mossy hazel
I do it for M+, @hidden oasis
I ditch a 370 for a 340 with SS because it's way better
hidden oasis
yea but here i have to ditch a 385
jaunty arrow
so thats mean u do more that 20k if i got some proc during
pearl meteor
I wld switch it personally
hidden oasis
yea big dilemma right here 😄
mossy hazel
What's the trait you'r ditching?
hidden oasis
ye ye for m+ ofc
pearl meteor
For raid no chance
hidden oasis
we're on vectis right now so i guess i dont rly need SS
mossy hazel
That's a good point too
hidden oasis
yeah it is but 340 SS is just lame
mossy hazel
I mean you'll probably only get SS on maybe 2 adds? Maybe 3?
pearl meteor
Doesnt matter how many n i think its 4 @mossy hazel
nocturne mulch
I just run 1x array and 2x of whatever the highest ilvl/best trait you have
hidden oasis
I just have horrible luck with azerite gear...
bonus rolled twice on vectis and zul for the head&shoulders
2 weeks in a roll
pearl meteor
Did u sim ur shoulder trait
hidden oasis
maybe resolve could be bis on
zek'voz 😄
Your abilities have a chance to increase your primary stat by 690 for 10 sec. If an ally dies nearby, you gain this effect.
pearl meteor
🤷♀️
timber pewter
is there any weak auras for empowered garrotes letting you know if its active or not
strange python
yes
gusty yoke
galecaller is only worth it if you can pop on cooldown right?
hardy valley
can dwarf or DiDwarf remove vendetta with racial ?
dapper wraith
@lone hamlet seriously though, I'd get away from 3x SS unless you only do M+. Make sure to have an Uldir trait for raids.
dapper wraith
yes
and make sure you move gear around so it's giving you haste
since you run exang
lone hamlet
or i should go to mythisc 0 to get some double dose traits ?
exsang just sims higher
dapper wraith
whats your haste % ?
lone hamlet
20-21 or something
dapper wraith
Sim yourself again with an uldir piece on, and make sure it's set to "smart" for reorg stacks, or manually set it to 6.
see what the difference is?
lone hamlet
ill do it right now, but what about other ST traits
should i aim to get something to use in raids ?
i mean just from mythics 0
inner pecan
340 DD won't really be better than much 370 pieces
like a 370 Archive will be much much better
dapper wraith
yea, you need higher azerite pieces in general.
running 1 SS in raids is up to you - I personally like having 1 just because of the extra garrote CP
lone hamlet
i have 370 matrix, and 340 archive
inner pecan
370 matrix is probably better
dapper wraith
matrix and archive parse really close to each other, go with higher ilvl if you can. Just don't accidentally run the matrix in M+ unless you want to have a bad time.
lone hamlet
i have shoulder 370 poison wire 340 helm with archives and 370 helm with matrix
north crane
matrix is a problem in the first boss room of king rest
lone hamlet
i should just sim myself ?
dapper wraith
^
it's worth the $3 a month to increase the iterations on top gear too, if you have a lot of options
and skip the line ofc
lone hamlet
sharpened blades are ok ?
inner pecan
meh not very good since the nerf
compact bolt
Finally got raid pieces last night and archive have me 1k DPS...wow that's not broken
solar bramble
which one, sharpened, poison wire, or thunderous blast
royal pebble
What's the cap haste? 20%?
solar bramble
archive is a dps gain, but the main gain you get from it comes from reorigination array's bonus
which is even more potent
compact bolt
Yes
ionic charm
@solar bramble at 1st stack sharpened is much stronger than either of those. If you already have stacks of it that’s a different story
solar bramble
haste caps at 20% now? poor dk's
i like 1 poisoned wire sometimes. the dmg loss is there for certain, but it feels smoother idk why
i give up wire for some traits, but a 4th or 5th dps trait i wouldn't make that trade for such a small gain
ionic charm
You can choose whatever play style you want, but 40% extra value than the trait you chose isn’t a small gain
white igloo
@lone hamlet realistically it’s a good trait but it’s useless on multi target and it’s annoying to utilize correctly
I personally don’t like sharpened blades
solar bramble
@white igloo is your name from ff12?
lone hamlet
@white igloo so which traits i should aim of getting going to uldir ?
solar bramble
1 archive, and either double dose or
white igloo
Search assassination rogue
solar bramble
ya that thing lol
fading spade
I am currently running that in raid... so nice
solar bramble
i'd like to see someone test 2 twist the knife + 1 poisoned wire for ST dmg outside uldir. just seems like the extra crit cp's from 1 poisoned wire would be exponential gain through twist the knife
maybe 1 + 1 + archive
since it's extra dmg per cp through twist
in uldir with the originatino array + 1 poisoned wire. i'm critting so damn much on mutilates lol
fading spade
Crit is your highest stat?
sturdy python
You can test I yourself, use a sim
solar bramble
i play outlaw as well. and it's the safest hybrid stat. since I don't get enough playtime to fully optimize both
fading spade
Fair enough
opaque grotto
Twist the knife is good in pvp, that’s about it
solar bramble
haste is at 1k, but crit is still a little ahead
ionic charm
Twist is better with MA but still worse than other traits for sure
opaque grotto
MA feels so underwhelming
solar bramble
whenever i was using SS + sub in uldir, I ended up going ensang to optimize uptime of SS sub garrotes within vendetta
opaque grotto
It’s a dps cooldown that lasts 3 seconds essentially
sturdy python
Same with sub tho lol
sturdy python
I like getting 3-4 envenoms in a tb
opaque grotto
But you get a 20 second benefit from the garrote you put out
ionic charm
You do the same damage but in a shorter amount of time. Seems better in every way
*more damage
opaque grotto
I do more dmg with subterfuge anyways, but that’s not what I was getting at
inner pulsar
Someone can prefer Subt to MA, but your reason does not seem to be valid
opaque grotto
The effects from subterfuge last longer than MA?
white igloo
I meant MA just means your damage window is shorter and spikier
opaque grotto
How is that not valid?
ionic charm
@white igloo in practice the opposite ends up being true, because subterfuge relies more on opening damage from stealth than MA does
white igloo
Like sub damage is similar to MA damage just spread out
opaque grotto
Like you can visually see your garrote(s) ticking harder for 20+ seconds, where when you vanish with MA you just shit out a fat envenom one time
white igloo
The concept is basically exactly the same though
Your rotation opener from stealth lasts 3 seconds
And what you do in that time frame matters a lot
mossy hazel
Damn it! I logged out with my SS shoulders on again and now I can't run raidbots talent sims without working out an "advanced sims" string...
cerulean walrus
Hey, everyone has their preference. Some like it slow and steady.... Some like it REAL BURSTY
white igloo
Almost exactly the same concept
Except with sub you garrote twice and MA you envenom twice
opaque grotto
Yes, that’s what I was getting at, it just feels underwhelming because it’s just 3 seconds of high dmg and then it’s over
cerulean walrus
Just bring back Mantle smh
opaque grotto
That’s all I was saying
cerulean walrus
So we can have both
white igloo
Mantle is nice
drifting elbow
underwhelming?
opaque grotto
The duration makes it feel underwhelming vs the duration of benefit you get from subt
drifting elbow
u dont like those bigger dmg?
ionic charm
If we had both we would want nightstalker again not subterfuge anyways
royal pebble
I use 3 x Shrouded Suffocation + build bleed in m+ in raid 2x Shrouded + 1 archive
cerulean walrus
That's fair
white igloo
opaque grotto
The actual dps number doesn’t matter to me and I know they’re very close
cerulean walrus
I'm going 2 SS 1 Scent in M+
white igloo
Yeah it’s just preference
cerulean walrus
Feels pretty good man
white igloo
And it’s p obvious that subterfuge is better in aoe situations
cerulean walrus
Except in low keys where it is a horrid faceplant cause my ruptures die off too fast
So I just swap off Scent when I'm like lower than a 6 key
white igloo
Just run MA Hidden Blades then 
royal pebble
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
opaque grotto
I only do 10+ keys, anything else is a waste of time unless I’m fishing for galecaller’s/dice
cerulean walrus
Bring back Hidden Blades Leggo cloak burst blizzard
Yeah but my guild wants me to run lower keys with them so they can get that cute gear
you feel me?
opaque grotto
Naw that’s what my alt is for
cerulean walrus
Having alts? While playing the master class?
dapper wraith
I have to run a tank alt because our raid tank hates M+. sigh.
opaque grotto
My guild is heavy melee so I have a ranged alt on standby if fights like mythrax get fucky
cerulean walrus
LUL @dapper wraith my old guild tank was that way
He was scared of Tyrannical
And wouldn't run anything over a 4
ffs
opaque grotto
Must be a warrior :^)
dapper wraith
ours doesn't like the timer.
cerulean walrus
G Druid
sleek jetty
Lol
solar bramble
master class? what about DH?
cerulean walrus
Literally just a meat shield
dapper wraith
Guardian was great, and easy in Legion.
dapper wraith
I would rather fellate a hot curling iron than roll DH
opaque grotto
Assass is pretty faceroll to be fair
cerulean walrus
in ST yeah
opaque grotto
Multi target honestly annoys me
cerulean walrus
At least you kind of have to keep track of things in Sin and Sub
Balance energy and combo points, keep 100% uptime etc
sturdy python
Tab targeting is pretty annoying after awhile yeah
opaque grotto
Especially after the luxury of playing a frost mage
muted jacinth
mouse over garrote and rupture is quite difficult
opaque grotto
Where you just shit out aoe dmg without changing targets
cerulean walrus
Just click on them! 4head
dapper wraith
wait...you can mouseover garrote and rupture?
sturdy python
Yes
opaque grotto
You can mouseover anything
sturdy python
You can moiseover anything
muted jacinth
yap
sturdy python
I prefer to tab though
muted jacinth
i have my rupture on 2 and garrote on A, and the mouse over versions are alt modifiers
opaque grotto
Like this week it’s fine, but in fortified packs that live a while
sturdy python
How do you move and dps like that lol
opaque grotto
Just end me
sturdy python
Yeah lol imagine mouseover rups is hectic as hell
muted jacinth
i move with my mouse
cerulean walrus
I have a Naga Hex so everything is bound in 6s
muted jacinth
id hate to deal with that on our mythrax prog xd
muted jacinth
oh yeh i understand that
sturdy python
Easier to avoid cleave and stuff when you're already on the move
muted jacinth
i kinda do the same with moving backwards and forwards lol
i rebound X to move backwards
cerulean walrus
I love DHs that just qeqeqeqeqeqeq. like jesus christ I keep getting stuck in orbs cause of that garbage
Mongoloids won't just stand still cause they drank 400 red bulls
opaque grotto
I move with my mouse and A + D are strafe
Everything else on my keyboard is abilities
muted jacinth
yeah we had to tell our dh last night to quit strafing durif orb going out
sturdy python
Lol I do sides and front to back but on muthrax and stuff I stand still
I have some self control
cerulean walrus
I tried to save my tank from getting Omega Vector on him cause one of our stupid healers thought to go near him... then I got blamed for it
Guess I'll never try and save him ever again 🤔
ionic charm
I don’t know how I can go back to heroic after doing the mythic strat with set people getting omega
muted jacinth
we still just start on one marker and go to the other with the add spawning
cerulean walrus
Amalgam always drops right next to Vectis as well
ionic charm
I’m not saying I can’t actually do heroic, just mythic is so much nicer since you only have to worry about it at set times
muted jacinth
they have to be smart with it
if you have omega you cant stafk on someone else with it
cerulean walrus
exactly
solar bramble
the 2 marker strat works fairly well in heroic on vectis. i like the 4 marker on his intercardinal points personally though
opaque grotto
We do the 4 marker for mythic
opaque grotto
Yea vector hurts if someone gets multiple somehow
solar bramble
eventually people will just outgear it lol
opaque grotto
Other than that not really
crisp hollow
let our healers use 50% of mana instead of the 30% if we focus up
cerulean walrus
our warrior just dies if he gets 2+ stacks
Cause no active damage mitigation omegalul
crisp hollow
is your warrior 350 ilvl?
cerulean walrus
355
sturdy python
Yeah we were wiping on vectis because people kept double stxckog vector
solar bramble
tell your warrior to reroll something useful lol
opaque grotto
How are people such low ilvl
cerulean walrus
we need BS though lol
sturdy python
We ended up going to the 3 group strat
sturdy python
I wasn't very happy about it though, too much micro managing
opaque grotto
It’s crazy to me some people’s mains are 355
cerulean walrus
3 group works for us
crisp hollow
we ignored the mechanic altogether from week 1 of uldir on N and H but maybe we got lucky and never stacked them
sturdy python
Heroic this is, I dont raid mythic
solar bramble
4 marker strat isn't any micromanaging. i find it easier than the 3 marcer
ionic charm
4 markers with set timings is the easiest thing
solar bramble
see 2 people with vector. send one to the empty marker to pass it and back. done micromanaging till after liquify
crisp hollow
4 marker and a WA to track people's stacks and the fight is cake
ionic charm
Have 2 people stand on top of each other and don’t move, easy
solar bramble
WA? bigwigs already has a really good stack tracker. havent needed WA for it
opaque grotto
Yeah there’s a WA that does the fight for you basically
sturdy python
Or you can just not stand near each other with vector! Add on or not
We the same fereran
cerulean walrus
But we don't drop the fourth marker cause the tanks know where to go
crisp hollow
my guild has a WA for everything cuz one of our members is a genius
cerulean walrus
So we just have 3 markers, and we arrange ourselves like a compass around him
crisp hollow
mythic KJ was autopilot, felt nice
cerulean walrus
Post nerf? or pre nerf?
crisp hollow
first nerf
lone hamlet
archives > matrix >?
crisp hollow
i think there was 3
cerulean walrus
SIm it @lone hamlet
solar bramble
yes archive > matrix in most situations. but sim
cerulean walrus
But typically Archive>Matrix
crisp hollow
if only matrix didnt split damage 😦
candid thorn
If only matrix interrupted
solar bramble
i got tripple resounding protection for rogue healer stats lol
crisp hollow
hey wheres a good target dummy i can ST without fear of poison bomb skewing my details numbers?
Org and order hall both a bit cramped
sturdy python
Thunder bluff
crisp hollow
awesome thanks
cerulean walrus
PB would ever skew your ST? its so small though
sturdy python
Not the one on the bridge, it's in a small building on top right org
royal lantern
ironforge dummy ftw
crisp hollow
ill try thunder bluff when i get home, thanks Tawn
solar bramble
just head to dazar'alor (new horde area). the dummies there have several untouched by bomb. and one specifically setup for all 4 to be cleaved.
talk to any guard to have em show ya
muted jacinth
theres another wa for mythrax that does the fight for you. so good
silk jolt
Link
muted jacinth
median tiger
how to improve ur IO score?
mossy hazel
Do more mythics?
median tiger
like i dont know how, but im doing shit dmg on the first boss of underrot
mossy hazel
That has nothing to do with your IO score
wheat zealot
Press more buttons 
visual token
Moar dots
mossy hazel
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
median tiger
oh wrong channel
mossy hazel
I wish I had the time to do 11 mythics a week...
wheat zealot
Less qq moar pew pew
shrewd bane
😡
mossy hazel
You should try having better luck
shrewd bane
ikr
mossy hazel
I'm sorry, I'm not helping. I'm just really bored
mossy hazel
I have fathoms and the meat sac thing from hc fetid...
wheat zealot
Just keep doing the dungeon lol, freehold is fun imo anyway
oblique flax
Yo why does gutripper sim higher than overwhelming power?
visual token
Same for me actually
shrewd bane
yea, It's what i'm doing
shrewd bane
but it's a little bit depressing to not see the dice :(
did the run with a friend dh, he got it
but couldn't trade
wheat zealot
Not many caster mobs in freehold, so you can just pump damage
I did it with my 2 dh friends and they watched my get a 375 wf lul
dusk sun
vital haven
it is
mossy hazel
The only people in my guild who ever want to do shrine are the rogues. LOl
wheat zealot
Or healers
vital haven
healers and casters would want to as well
gusty yoke
I just got 355GCB with socket but i cant even use it
vital haven
the conch
wheat zealot
^
gusty yoke
GCB only worth if you can pop on cd and stay in it for full duration right?
vital haven
it works really well with exsang
do the opener with SS
pop the trinket
exsang
30k dps
EZ
gusty yoke
I simmed it and its only 100dps over my other trinkets
But i thought it lost slot of value if you cant stay in it
final stone
cloud plank
In the Ravenholdt guide it says when you have Shrouded Suffocation you do this Rotation
One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blde
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
but i dont really get how using garotte twice is really worth it? Like you get more combopoints but you just reset the dot after 1 second, isnt that kinda wasted? Same thing with the opener just with a rupture inbetween
visual token
You pandemic it with 2 garrotes.
dense quest
its to max the duration of it for pandemic
vital haven
and ye the pandemic thing
topaz notch
its even pinned in this channel 😛 almost first message
cloud plank
Oh so if you use it twice the dot lasts longer than one full complete duration
wheat zealot
Yup
cloud plank
okay i think i got it thanks
marsh bloom
@spring chasm the sim says to do what I did in the opener
@lone junco the sim said to tdo something else
The guide is wrong when it comes to the master assassin talent
because the sim says to do something else
shrewd bane
quick question, to get the max of exsang, when you use it you should wait the end of garrot/rapture before refreshing it ?
right ?
dense quest
yes let exang rup/gar drop to 0
quiet crescent
Anyone using exsang, with ss on mythic fetid for spores?
opaque grotto
What about it
quiet crescent
I'm just wondering if it's better than tb if your group is struggling
random scroll
it is
opaque grotto
I’m pretty sure 1 exsang is stronger than 1 TB
quiet crescent
Timing wise just curious haven't used exsang at all in raids.
random scroll
you can pretty much do 45 to 50% of the add with a vanish vandetta
quiet crescent
Yeah I was last week.
inner pecan
exsg with ss is strong for it then
opaque grotto
Yeah it’s a waste of time for you to be on the little ones
inner pecan
but tbh TB would work too if your gear is better suited to it
both are fine as long as you're on big add
that's the main thing
quiet crescent
I have two ss traits so I think exsang will be good.
inner pecan
yeah
quiet crescent
Thanks boys.
I'm sure soon as I pop exsang and gcb. Someone will drop circles by me
marsh bloom
Better to use CT on zek'voz heroic?
vital haven
better to go outlaw
fringe wyvern
Whats the most optimal way to run orbs as Sin on heroic Ghuun if i have to? pick up the orb, sprint>lock gate>shadowstep then pass it? Or is there a brtter way? Sometimes i get asked to do it in pugs if we're desperate lol
drifting elbow
well lock gate is most optimal way
shadowstepping is not really making much difference with distance u've already covered
fringe wyvern
The first time i was aksed to do it, a lock picked up the orb but he got rooted right after he took the gate, and i couldnt make it from the gate with shadowstep. Just wanna make sure i get it as far as possible ya knoe
drifting elbow
patience with orb is pretty critical
u cant just rush it without making those blobs shrink on long path
fringe wyvern
So how do you do it exactly? Sprint before lock gate, then clear some blobs and then shadow step?
marsh bloom
This is how you do MA/TB opener i'm pretty sure
drifting elbow
its like that, but with waiting ur partner to be ahead on the path
drifting elbow
is that with MA or subter?
covert pumice
If your rupture is on like 2 seconds and u barely got energy for cb, still let it get to 0 instead? like arent u missing out on damage that way?
drifting elbow
and shroud traits?
hollow stone
Sin w ghuun orb: go 2nd, toss daggers to dot up the cysts. Take lock portal, wait for homie to pass to you, sprint and sstep the cyst closest to the dunk zone, dunk.
marsh bloom
if I had a SS I would take subterfuge
drifting elbow
vanishing after TB is more ideal cuz u will be envenom crit favoring
hollow stone
Vanishing before or after tb on pull makes barely any difference in max gear. Its a negligible difference to the point of it not being worth worrying about
drifting elbow
its not really a negligible with MA
hollow stone
Yes it is
drifting elbow
50% crits is huge
marsh bloom
it's like a 30dps difference
hollow stone
In perfect t22 gear its 33 dps
marsh bloom
in like a 6 minute fight
hollow stone
Thats nothing
hollow stone
Youll have more variance by env'ing 2 seconds late at any point in your rotato
drifting elbow
mutilatin a lot and second envenom is without? crit benefict
marsh bloom
only 1 env
will get crit anyway
the second one has no chance of critting if you vanish before or after
How much time is each gcd?
about 1.5sec?
hollow stone
In non opener, yeah, you want to van env m env
But opener is negligible
1gcd for rogue always
fringe wyvern
Thanks Applejuice, can i shadowstep if im rooted? Like would i sprint until im rooted, shadowstep to the last cyst and then be in dunking range?
north crane
cos works?
marsh bloom
is it better to try and help your runner clear the cysts first?
hollow stone
If youre 2nd and your team has a gate, you prob wont even need sprint tbh
drifting elbow
wouldnt that drop orb 😄
marsh bloom
so they cna get farther?
hollow stone
Yea. For sin, go 2nd
marsh bloom
no @drifting elbow
drifting elbow
weird
hollow stone
Dagger toss spreads deadly and makes it a joke
marsh bloom
using abilities doesn't drop orb
warm sable
Finally manage to make it good ... 😃
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/otziD9zM5bShcisinW9tUW
fringe wyvern
Thanks fellas
marsh bloom
I think i've tried it
north crane
cloak of shadow
hollow stone
I dont think cloak does anything
But you honestly dont need it
Esp if you have a gatr
Gate*
covert pumice
damn with knowledge like that u got the apple sauce not just the juiice
hollow stone
People are dumb. Twinks are their own thing
covert pumice
Twink sounds cringy as hell man
covert pumice
You can make juice from the sauce, but u cant make sauce from the juice
if that makes sense
hollow stone
Exactly
hollow stone
Twink is the sound a moist bucket makes when a drop of water falls in it
Good sentence right?
covert pumice
please stop
hollow stone
Sorry, off topic'ing. Any sin questions? Lol
covert pumice
Does a longer rupture also cause more dps?
Like, if its somethijng thats down in 10 seconds, should I stull blow a whole 5 combo points on it?
hollow junco
back in EQ, which was an MMO in which the majority of good items weren't necessarily no-drop(BoP), the distinction between and alt and a twink was that a twink was a low level character that had been provided with high level gear
without BoP restrictions this could get pretty dumb. imagine if your lvl29 rogue in wow had legion legendaries, just for example
so if you were playing EQ and you used the phrase "my rogue twink" in a sentence you were implying that you had fed a lot of $$ into that character and it was brokenly overpowered for its level
whereas an alt is just an alternate character with none of those implications.
covert pumice
Twink
A term often used in homosexual circles to describe a man with a smooth, youthful, only slightly-muscular, physique.
hollow junco
i realize the out of game use of the word
is very different
but that's how it was and it's clearly been carried over to wow although it may no longer have the same exact meaning because language evolves very fast on the internet.
covert pumice
I mean, I play on german servers, and Twink is the main word for it
Like, when I say alt, most people ask me what that means
inner pulsar
Glad I didn't have anything to do with this convo, it's so offtopic I probably would get in trouble again
strange python
Who doesn’t love a good irl twink
hollow stone
Youre not obligated to respond @inner pulsar
inner pulsar
Yeah, exercising that option this time
covert pumice
but its rude to ignore
safe matrix
nimble tartan
never look away ez fix
bright shale
Lol
So I have pretty much lost the desire to m+
Outside of my weekly chest
Because gear is limited in ilvl
nimble tartan
yeah thats pretty common sentiment this many weeks into mythic raid
at least for gear purposes
bright shale
And I'm already over 370
Only thing really holding me back in ilvl is replacing my fathoms
mossy hazel
You kidding me?? I'm FINALLY getting invited to M+ groups now!
bright shale
Since its 355
nimble tartan
you most likely wont replace it
bright shale
I know lol
nimble tartan
i have a couple 390 trinkets fathom is still better
bright shale
I got s 370 spyglass last night
mossy hazel
Last night was literally like the 3rd time I've EVER not been declined from a group.
bright shale
That's pretty dope
mossy hazel
Must be because I finally hit 370
mossy hazel
I do some with my guildies. Lol. But outside that I literally always get declined for pugs
nimble tartan
tfw i got a 375 galecallers and dont even use it 😢
visual token
I don’t do m+ lol
mossy hazel
I literally don't know. Been happening to me since legion
bright shale
So use plume and GC?
nimble tartan
no i use plume/fathoms
mossy hazel
I never got my +15 in legion because I couldn't get into a group and my guild was awful
bright shale
Lol ni it is
nimble tartan
the plume is the hotness
bright shale
Unless you dont know how to use it
nimble tartan
its not about that in my sims and rl applications my other trinkets outperform it
hasty crater
darkmoon deck is worse than harlan for m+ right ? sims better ST tho so not sure
cerulean magnet
Guys, what do you do when you are at 2 cp TB is coming off cd and mut crits and you are at full cp's? Envenom then TB or?
bright shale
I have a hard time believing a fathoms is outsimming a 375 GC
bright shale
That sounds bad
nimble tartan
if it happens to line up that way
bright shale
Lol
mossy hazel
I would TB at full cp, but I'm terrible so
nimble tartan
thats the right play dw
bright shale
It seems like a bad play
cerulean magnet
Ive done that
bright shale
You lose cps for 1second if uptine
cerulean magnet
It just feels awkward as hell
nimble tartan
no you lose cp to gain 1 more buffed big envenom lmao
bright shale
You do know what the buff does right
visual token
You want the bonus damage for envenom
nimble tartan
tb is all about maximizing how many evenom casts
u bigg buff
so it makes sense that the APL does it as well
when u happen to have tb come off cd and are at 5cp with nothing to refresh
bright shale
I see few scenarios where you have enough energy pooled
For TB envenom double mute envenom while not having to refresh dots
cerulean magnet
I was maining sub
bright shale
It seems like it would clunk up a rotation
bright shale
I'll give it a try tomorrow I guess
marsh bloom
CT on Zek?
bright shale
Yes
bright shale
Just run both lol
cerulean magnet
I have 380 gale
bright shale
You're defs doin it wrong
nimble tartan
i dont want 2 on uses
cerulean magnet
But i hate it
nimble tartan
and it doesnt sim well at all
marsh bloom
So many people take PB though??
bright shale
It's worse..
marsh bloom
thats weird that all the top dps use poison bomb :/
nimble tartan
ye ccause adds die hecka fast rn
bright shale
Check mythic logs
marsh bloom
with CT do you need subterfuge?
bright shale
They all use CT
bright shale
Because the adds live
nimble tartan
who here big brain using triple archive
nimble tartan
theres a bunch of guilds in the recruitment channel
nocturne mulch
Do you guys ever switch specs because your azerite traits are that much better for another spec?
marsh bloom
Cause I can raid like during the day but not at night lol
haughty flame
meow
strange python
maybe with lock gate
daring imp
void elf sub rouge can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkrn5i7pq8 > sync it at 38s
lock gate, 2 Ssteps, spatial rift into console
uncut mango
What about goblin rogue
daring imp
unlikely, the jump doesn't go too far and you can't use it while rooted i guess?
hollow stone
Pretty sure sub gob can solo orb w gate but i play a real race so idk for sure
Our sub rogue was juuuuuust off from soloing w/o being gob
royal lantern
i think sub can do it solo if you do it perfect, velf sub is just idiot proof
safe canopy
when my guild was first progressing on it like a month ago i was sub and i could solo with lock gate + mage clearing a path for me so i could get sprint just barely to the point where 2 shadowsteps got me to the end
obvi doesnt have to be a mage just someone clearing the path right off the lock gate
hollow stone
So not soloing it lol
safe canopy
ya
frosty gyro
WOuld be a lot easier to solo as sub if your camera didn't get flipped by Shadowstrike/Shadowstep
jagged sorrel
@marsh bloom Look for an Aussie guild
royal lantern
blood shield: while shielded, the target regenerates 5%of their maximum healt every 0,5 seconds
thats ghuun on p1^
quartz rune
Doesnt count for logs though i think
marsh bloom
am I able to pad on the cysts though?
marsh bloom
DAMNIT
hollow stone
You for sure on that @safe matrix? My locks were padding on cysts. I didnt review the logs in depth to confirm if that dmg was counted on their parses or not tho :/
The lord of 🧀 must know
viscid token
is there a point of using vanish if running MA?
hollow stone
Of course, it gives you 3 gcds w 50% more crit
hollow stone
I didnt wanna say it, buuuuut :p
viscid token
any fight with more than 1 target probably better to use subterfuge though huh, MA only simming 0.1 higher on ST
hollow stone
If theyre really close, yea. Probably better to subt if any cleave
viscid token
kk thx juice
ionic charm
@hollow stone each log says “Damage to Amorphous Cysts and to G'huun before his Blood Shield fades is ignored in the table below.”
hollow stone
Beautiful. Thank you for confirming
royal lantern
locks still get soulshards and stuff right?
royal lantern
well, they can still cheese it then
hollow stone
That could be why they do it. Good point
royal lantern
and you COULD get a bit more energy by keeping rupture+poison up, but not worth it
hollow stone
They say its because the dots keep the cysts small but i knew that was just a cheese excuse >: D
magic thorn
Hey Guys. Im Main Feral and started Assa into Antorus and like it the more im playing it. I'm trying to improve my Assa gameplay / Rotation. Anyone around who wouldn't mind helping me out / maybe checking my Logs or help me improve?
vivid nova
hey guys im playing sub currently, but whats simming the highest rn out of all specs, could someone link me?
hollow stone
In bis t22, they sim within 1k dps. So they are all viable. You can look at overall sims on simulation craft
Recommendation is to play what you have the best traits for and what you can play consistently well with as few mistakes as possible
Link logs, ask specific questions, people will help you tighten your rotato @magic thorn. Also good choice, sin is basically better feral druid 😃
opaque grotto
Rotato potato
hollow stone
Dat rotato potato tornado
magic thorn
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gCPHYcdD2LhjFbTw#fight=4&type=damage-done
This Log for example. My Character is Roguethree. I know that im like 4-7 Ilvl lower then the other Assas and my Ilvl Parse is ok, but i think i can improve alot since i usually have no problems regarding my feral logs and assa is kinda the same
loud pilot
in my experience ilvl parse are worthless since u can put a 340 ring and still do high dps
strange python
@magic thorn Try getitng 2cp before vanish
So you can Garrote > 5cp rup > garrote
magic thorn
Is it because with garrote garrote rup i waste 1 cp ?