unless its a fat mob
#assassination
short pivot
Its dps loss to bomb on raidbots tho thats why i never try it
stuck shuttle
well on ST its a loss
but for M+, you def want to use CT
especially with teeming
short pivot
Aight will try it out
wondering bout that dark iron racial
Like another prepot basically
teal glen
what does dark iron racial do i honestly don't know
stuck shuttle
i wish i knew, im horde 😛
teal glen
same lol
short pivot
600 agi and removes all debuffs gives 200 agi extra for each debuff removed
But can be used offensive for that sweet seeet 600 agi buff
stuck shuttle
da fuq
teal glen
how much does it last?
stuck shuttle
no wonder dark iron is high up there for race
teal glen
if you're using MA then I think you wanna pop it before vanish i guess?
teal glen
if you don't have SS traits MA should pull ahead of subt in ST generally
stuck shuttle
MA/TB is the top build right now for ST
if you havent been lucky with god tier SS traits
short pivot
Got 1 ss
stuck shuttle
SS is so good because its so versatile
teal glen
I'm using 1 archive 1 ss 1 matrix and playing subt/exsa
lone junco
just dont have 370 worth swapping to
teal glen
I was so lucky with them sockets i got 7 lol
short pivot
For me scent simmed 300 less dps than the ST trait that damages and slows for 20% forgot the name
lone junco
i have 5-6 sockets depending.
short pivot
Frost something
lone junco
28% haste in raid. 👌
lone junco
it was better in legion
teal glen
nerfed to the ground tho
lone junco
I really dont enjoy garrote over rupture in the damage profile
Rupture feels like filler.
it should be the beef
teal glen
ikr
short pivot
Yeah
stuck shuttle
yeah you spend 5 CPs on rupture
hollow stone
Rupture or some sort of poison should be our highest dmg from a class fantasy persecution
short pivot
Its illogical for filler to do more than finisher
stuck shuttle
and it gets out damaged by 1 ability
hollow vault
brand new to rogue since swapping from WW, do you exsang on CD for the most part - with all bleeds up I mean.
lone junco
fontassy
teal glen
i agree, rupt/poisons/envenom should be top imho
stuck shuttle
@hollow vault full pandemic bleeds, exsang on CD
teal glen
absolutely not garrote/mutilate
stuck shuttle
as close to possible
hollow vault
solid, and why the haste prior over mastery in raid?
is most of this on the website? have only mainly looked at sub
mb if I'm asking redundant q's
lone junco
@hollow vault
brand new to rogue. typ you would use exang on cooldown. it gets wonky timing when you have vulnerable phases or SS traits, when you are aligning the SS vanish at 2:30.
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hollow vault
tyty
stuck shuttle
it was recently updated
lone junco
haste feeds ticks of energy. and does more damage.
crit doesnt feed energy
mastery doesnt
so haste gives you a double benefit
hollow vault
guess more procs of deadly poison too doesn't hurt
lone junco
tick on poison gives you +E and does more ticks per time.
lone junco
when we change to a fok condition it slides to crit, because you get E capped. and you need crits for cps.
TB is fine. just 25 sec peaks around envenoms.
hollow vault
appreciate it
hollow vault
ah gotcha, solid
hollow vault
that's some feelsgoodman peaks
lone junco
but. if you fuck them up, just alt-f4
hollow vault
lmao, tru tru
lone junco
the vanish SS garrote GC exang is pretty strong. it was way stronger
hince the nerf
that big donger in the middle.
i guess that is kinda hard to mess up
lone junco
was the mass
brittle pawn
why triple garrote?
stuck shuttle
could be fetid -> add -> add
stand right next to fetid
vanish garrote, step to add
brittle pawn
step would be in the list. derp.
daring imp
he's just giving ideas
stuck shuttle
oh duh
stuck shuttle
yeah so double add
daring imp
ye add > fetid > add
lone junco
rip the 25k garrote ticks pre nerf
daring imp
prob his raid leader was "YO M8 NO MORE IGNORING ADD FOR YOU OK PUMP THOSE NUMBERS"
stuck shuttle
since you don't get knocked back immediately on 2nd add
verbal sorrel
how many melees yall running on fetid
muted jacinth
we have 5 as well
verbal sorrel
ok so if you're assa and you're assigned to Mutated Masses
do you pop vendetta on start
and save it for bursting boss after 3rd adds
or save it for 1st and 3rd mass
stuck shuttle
depends on your group tbh
verbal sorrel
but I felt like ppl were slacking
yeah
thats what I did today
but made my parses like 90
stuck shuttle
pop CDs on boss for parses
indigo plume
we had our first kill on fetid tonight with 6 melee Pog
indigo plume
that fight is cancer
verbal sorrel
yeah
stuck shuttle
especially after the change
indigo plume
its easy but there is so many things that just insta cause a wipe
stuck shuttle
took us 100 pulls to kill pre hotfix
indigo plume
like all the melee were fine somehow the range kept dying to breath or stacks for like 60 wipes and we were all pretty confused because it seems like a training dummy for the most part
we had 2 1% wipes prehotfixed but our tank died and we had to sacrifice dps to the trash because no ress xd
verbal sorrel
yo another question
if exsang is doing 0.7% more dps for me
than TB
should I even switched
if im practiced on TB
check this
undone cairn
the agility buff from archives stack if i have two right?
verbal sorrel
@undone cairn ye
indigo plume
tb is just hit on cd seems less likely to fuck up than exsn imo
verbal sorrel
yeah
and learning exsg would just probably lower my dps
not improve by 0.7
%
is it even worth to switch for that?
I mean that 1xSS trait is gonna stay 100%
since its my 385 shoulders
indigo plume
if you miss like any bleed uptime then you probs loose the 0.7%
lone junco
ss exang really matters around burst windows. if it aligns well when you need it. else you wind up delaying major stuff
sim values dont really tell that story.
indigo plume
so how ez is zul compared to fetid
stuck shuttle
Honestly, Zul is easy
verbal sorrel
eah I see
indigo plume
well we only have 3 rogues so
lone junco
exang fits nicely in the buff buff
indigo plume
kinda spooky
indigo plume
ya i kinda thought with the amount of gear everyone has now having less rogues wouldnt be such a big deal
verbal sorrel
maybe ghuun too
indigo plume
we got 2 mages as well so that helps
stuck shuttle
I have a second set of gear for it
heavy crit/mastery
only swapped out 1 azerite piece tho
faint harness
You want the massive amount of rogues to skip the bloodhexers
indigo plume
I need to grind some gear for zul i think most of my gear is haste heavy for assa
stuck shuttle
just swap out any same ilvl pieces
with crit/mastery/verse pieces
get as little haste as you can
so that your reorigination buff changes to crit
short token
those of you that use galecaller's when do you normally pop it on your opener? as soon as the boss is situated?
verbal sorrel
yeah, when boss is situated
stuck shuttle
thats the safest bet
verbal sorrel
and with vendetta
short token
ok
verbal sorrel
I'll tell you my opener
stuck shuttle
you shouldn't be popping vendetta when the boss isn't situated anyway
short token
true
verbal sorrel
^
enough said
I mean
sometimes you can pop vendetta 1 second early
before boss situates
if its your rotation
sometimes tank does a clunky pull on zekvoz for example
where it moves a lot so I have to keep moving
it takes 3-5 seconds for it to situate
fading spade
does anyone else play with Harlans Loaded Dice and feel like the proc rate is lower than it used to be?
im trying a bit of feely craft cuz its a 100pt difference in dps sims with my trinks
and id really like to use dice cuz of ilvl
short token
@fading spade my DH guildie got a high ilvl one and used it for about a week before ditching it, says it never procs
fading spade
it used to a lot it seems
i had a 355 one i got first week of mythic 0
used it forever and feel like it procd a ton
ive scoured the notes no mention of nerf
but if eel like it was
pastel wasp
interesting
anyone tested scent of blood
quite a few people are now starting to run this for M+
herodamage still shows SS being #1 by a lot tho
brittle pawn
i saw seliathan used archive, scent, ss for his 18
pastel wasp
hes on 2x scent 1x SS now
spare cloud
Ask him
magic mural
It's higher keys, you get less value out of exsang and more out of rupture because you actually have time to apply some of them and get use out of the bonus agi
Garrote*
Not exsang, too tired sorry
daring imp
such high keys sob gets even better
not sure when it overtakes SS but you def want 1x ss atleast
exotic abyss
Hey guys what traits would u recommend for mythic vectis arc 370+385DD+370TtK or 370SS+370arc+345SS?
oblique fox
first 3 prob @exotic abyss
sick monolith
roast me
exotic abyss
Aye aye
exotic abyss
Do i consider that fight as patchwerk?
Cuz for sure the first set is the best for patchwerk
simmed it
But Vectis hmm could prob vanish and g g the 1st addd
maybe
oblique fox
yeah it's a question of the empowered garrote on adds will be more dps than keeping ttk
winter gale
Anyone?*
winter gale
I am tracking both but I am more focused on Envemom buff
daring imp
envenom buff can be important if you have DD
winter gale
I dont
oblique fox
you want uptime on it but it's not worth using envenom on low cp like it was before
winter gale
Just on 4/5 is how I am doing it
oblique fox
yessir
winter gale
But trying to delay when I can to refresh it
Thanks, thanks.
Any tip how to have more uptime on EP?
Just pool a bit beofre finishers?
before*
high siren
whats a good uptime of EP ?
elder gulch
rancid sentinel
nis the blood mallet trinket list correct?
is*
cuase i just got a booncaller and i have a Dice.. but when i drop dice i lose dps... in SIMs//
midnight carbon
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whos got a SB WA i can have ❤
unreal minnow
Double dose is the best trait now ?
random scroll
seliathan does super high keys, he could keep billions rupture up on one pack
inner pulsar
rancid sentinel
yeah idk
its crazy
like i got a 365 boon.. 370 dice and i do more sim with dice
harsh sphinx
huh that does sound weird
dreamy plover
what determines wether you should choose exang or TB. its a very mixed bag when looking at logs atm
rancid sentinel
i think its something with haste but not sure
ive never had TB do less damage though lol
so it does 40 dps more then dice...
nimble tartan
It just depends if you need more prio damage exsang is very good at that
small island
anyone got a WA for the scent of blood trait?
harsh glacier
Exsg if you're running more than 1 ss imo
nimble tartan
It's more about what your guild needs on bosses
harsh glacier
I think tb bursts higher than exsg though
So not even sure about priority damage there
rancid sentinel
ermm ok
solar sedge
is it worth running both lazer matrix AND archive of the titans for raid?
rancid sentinel
so is bloodmallet not a good source for AZ traits?
rancid sentinel
well thing is SS is literally garbage... why would u run it
i see some ppl running it?
charred oar
just bear in mind that sims don't necessarily reflect real world implications of bossfights
they assume a lot of things which may not always be logical in reality
such as optimal rotation and 100% uptime
its mostly ran in m+ yea
thats where it shines
don't know about its use in raids
rancid sentinel
yeah thats just confusing
like literally bottom tier trait and ppl are running it
hollow stone
Herodamage is likely more accurate, at least for rogues
rancid sentinel
ill need to check that out
cause i have 340 shoulders i cant seem to replace lol
i have 370 and 355 shows better on mallet but my SIM dont go up
hollow stone
Because its amazing
harsh glacier
eh rerolling dice doesnt feel great
hollow stone
Its not that bad
lone junco
its not that bad when you have mark rolls to feed you
it is pretty shitty in raid imo.
Once I get enough azerite to play a 2nd spec at 370/370/370, I will dabble.
but for now SS does the trick in M+ and Raid.
harsh glacier
Ass is probly my lowest ilvl spec cause of stacking SS <.<
lone junco
but for M+. pulling packs of 3-5. it is really good.
outlaw can handle gigapulls well.
20 mobs 80k dps?
wheeeeee
rapid forum
so, i just came back to assa for the first time, do you still pool energie before you envenom?
lone junco
just worry about Bleed uptimes. Tb on CD. and proper vanish if you use MA
Env concerns are pretty low on the priority list.
rapid forum
im running with subterfuge atm, whats the proper vanish use there?
guide sayys line it up with vanish
does that mean Vendetta ->vanish->garrot?
pastel wasp
umm
turbid ingot
for raiding whats best traits to stack for sin rogue? i read shroud is good but is it good for raid or just mythic +?
peak breach
Not bad for raid either
lone junco
@pastel wasp "so, i just came back to assa for the first time"
Of course envenom is important, but not something to stress on if you are just learning the spec.
peak breach
But really shines in m+
round harbor
You don't really need to stack traits in raid
turbid ingot
so whats the ideal setup for raid traits and gear?
sorry for noob questions im just lost
peak breach
Pretty much try to get everything you can and sim it
pastel wasp
@lone junco why u so nub
pastel wasp
if you dont 2x envenom in tb, so punshing
lone junco
nub is my game.
i know this. but do you still pool energie before you envenom?
do you pool e before you env?
maybe before TB
pastel wasp
mayyyyybe
pastel wasp
real question is how do i sim SOB
velvet kernel
Should i wait for gcd when using vendetta + galecallers
does it matter if they acc pop at the same time?
proven ice
You never double garrote single target after vanish
lone junco
@pastel wasp easy way to compare ss vs scent is short patchwerk sims. pretty sure the 6t40s patchwerk favors ss. but 10t favors scent. and once the fight lasts longer, scent takes over
digital moss
during the rotation when should one use galecallers?
warm hatch
Like eg i do the normal opener etc etc
I also hold 2nd exsang for 2nd galecallers
Butidk if thats correct
pastel wasp
i dont
lol
depends on the fight and if its a good time to use boon
put boon -> boss moves
i cry
quaint sequoia
on mythic vectis should I mut or FoK with add up? got no DD
fringe wyvern
yo, just to add onto Kini's question, should you always hold vandetta for vanish? Running with Subterfuge and 2x SS
lament bramble
anyone found any successful raidbots fight lengths/targets numbers for m+ simming?
sudden trench
Im over boon lol
fringe wyvern
Does anyone else ever spam Garrote too much and accidently overwrite the empowered Garrote and then feel like just quitting the game? Asking for a friend.
quaint flare
maybe but i wouldn't admit it if i did
civic palm
nope, never
quaint flare
same
fringe wyvern
lol
past trail
idk what has changed but melee is my highest damage now
and my damage has dropped yet sim shows it high still
past trail
hmm
small folio
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little sandal
where can i sim myself with the reorigination array
warm geode
raidbots
frank shard
harsh glacier
dude that with Hidden Blades
shit will be op
as balls
unless its significantly undertuned numbers-wise
obsidian mountain
hm, simcraft says: Vanish-TB , ravenholdt says: vanish-env?!
MA talented
2x archive 1 twist the knife
harsh glacier
Id follow simcraft
not sure though
I noticed a few confusing things in the ravenholdt guide the other day
I think with vanish-env you will only get another mut affected by MA
cant env-m-m-env in 3 seconds
so maybe vanish-tb-env is stronger, idk
harsh glacier
🥁
obsidian mountain
hollow stone
Env m env is 33 more dps in bis gear!
plain spruce
hey guy's for mythic vectis do you guy's go ex regardless of sim's so you can burn add's?
hollow stone
Crowd is in awe
harsh glacier
ah so tb-van-env-m-env?
hollow stone
Yea, 33 dps baby
harsh glacier
33 dps, huuuge
arctic crow
Does it matter TB or Exsang for M fetid
hollow stone
You looking at top parses?
plain spruce
yes
harsh glacier
because ss is stronger on mythrax
harsh glacier
can get higher dps by garrotting all the adds
midnight carbon
I managed to replace both of my daggers this week with a 380/370 both Howlis' shiv oof
harsh glacier
higher parses =/= effective kills
royal lantern
95-100 parses are almost always cheesing the fight for high dps
plain spruce
i see, so i should just save tb for all the add's right
royal lantern
like guilds letting the fury warrior execute for 4min in legion
hollow stone
I found tb on add during prog perfect
strange python
what would you guys run for 100 talent for mythic MOTHER?
plain spruce
this sounds dumb, but ive just been using tb normaly and that always ends up on vectis since i do it on pull, but your right, it would line up with adds if i hold it, thankyou
strange python
I mean between PB, HB, or CT
harsh glacier
It probably depends on how long the adds are alive for and which group you're in Dere
CT potentially has a lot of value on Mother depending on those variables
but PB is probly the safer pick
royal lantern
we do that too, everyone goes except the tank, 1 tank healer and 2 dps
strange python
I was going to do Hidden Blades for that 400% but it might be better for me to play outlaw
harsh glacier
I wish the Sharpened Blades trait worked with FoK instead of Poisoned Knife
then Sharpened Blades with hidden Blades would be awesome
spare cloud
The all people at once strat at mother is the default strat at this point
spare cloud
Depends on your guild and setup
for max dps you definetly want to go on big add only
but that goes for pretty much every melee
Shadowstep knockback
you can cloak the miasma before it gets big
dont stand in the room sections where the adds spawn shortly before they do
gives you huge stacks
spare cloud
You can check that in logs
the timings are the same always
in fetid
for the add spawns at least
harsh glacier
I'm fairly sure TB will be better than Exsg every time unless you're running 2-3 SS
spare cloud
For Fetid Exsang is definetly a valid option
harsh glacier
TB burst seems way higher
spare cloud
I mean thats due to the issue with SS traits
most likely
and the highest exsang log is 4 ilvls higher than the highest toxic blade log
harsh glacier
only people running exsg on fetid are people with ss
spare cloud
so thats not true
harsh glacier
so it might also depend on your highest ilvl trait
harsh glacier
and it seems fairly equal between exsg and tb on it overall tbh
more TBs overall in the top 100
spare cloud
also depends on what you have to do
Like I said, I'd assume for small adds toxic blade is better
sharp lake
anyone remember the pandemic time for garrote and a 4 cp rupture off the top of their head?
spare cloud
for big ones exsang most likely is
harsh glacier
rup is 7.6 seconds I think
sharp lake
okay cool that's what i thought, thanks
civic palm
7.2 regardless.
sharp lake
oh also, I think this was stated in the guide but do ya'll pool just energy for toxic blade? or do you pool some cp, then pool some energy as well?
royal lantern
just aim for enough energy too get atleast 2x envenom out and keeping the envenom buff up for the howl tb duration
sharp lake
okay cool, thanks so much guys
ionic charm
did fathoms get stealth nerfed or is it just dropping like a rock on my server coincidentally?
spare cloud
the longer they are out the more the prices will drop
static wind
what makes sin so good for m vectis?
ionic charm
theres almost always 2 targets
we're good at 2 targets
and cloaking omega vector stacks helps your healers ofc
also 2 min cds and 2 min phase cycles so you never lose downtime
static wind
2 target patchwork sim to approximate?
ionic charm
its ike 50-60% depending on how good your dps is. Your best st spec will most likely be the best spec
buoyant tartan
hey guys just wondering but how often do you guys pool your energy? i realized i dont really pool my energy and i feel like im losing dps with EP
buoyant tartan
okay and do you mkae sure rupture and garrote are on a good spot as well?
harsh glacier
Yup
buoyant tartan
alright thanks
craggy helm
So...hero damage is showing Archive+Archive+Twist the knife as nearly identical to SS for M+. I know the sims arent perfect for M+, but they are drastically improved.
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-default/hd-t22-assassination
royal lantern
you cant really have a 100%uptime with EP right now, haste and crit chance simply too low
spare cloud
You run exsg in m+
craggy helm
What becomes very confusing for me is that Master Assassin is only 1% dps lower than subterfuge?
spare cloud
afaik the herodungeon sim is kind of weird when it comes to restealthing and stuff
craggy helm
i see
daring imp
no SS/exsang drops subterfuge value
a bit only tho
depends on talents/azerite/secondary stats
no talent is a clear winner compared to the other
except hidden blades, avoid it like the plague
royal lantern
master assassin is 0.1%over subterfuge for me with 0 SS traits
ionic charm
MA is nice, I like it. Much easier to play
meager basalt
im a pvp'er i do like 11k dps in a raid im def using wrong stats/talents can someone tell me their stat weight %'s and talents
ionic charm
Not that ss or exsang is hard, but you just dont really have to track much
spare cloud
@meager basalt read guide
daring imp
well i got 370's & 385's all over the place in azerite pieces
meager basalt
kk just thought itd be helpful to ask pll cause it is helpful in pvp to know you need a fuck ton of mastery and they dont tell u that in guides
daring imp
so what i have as stat weights will definitely not apply to you @meager basalt
icy crater
MA/TB simming highest for me 🤔
spare cloud
your stat priority is mentioned in the guide @meager basalt
sterile ocean
So i got a quick question IS Fathems still good?
spare cloud
Sim it.
icy crater
it sims higher than 370 dice for me
spare cloud
then use it.
sturdy python
Two different people, yes fathoms is still good.
Whether it's worth buying is up to you though
sterile ocean
i have been i was gonna say i was in raid with 5 other rogues and these rogues had it but not useing it and they said on blood mallet its not simming as high as Galecaller or dice
royal lantern
unless they nerf fathoms or buff the other raid trinkets hard, we will probably use it until the next tier is out
spare cloud
Because its 355
if you have a 390 galecallers with a socket
you're gonna use that.
Sim for your character thats all that matters
meager basalt
@spare cloud isnt this a discussion board? can you please let me ask pll stuff without undermining me
meager basalt
just wanna know plls stat weights
spare cloud
My stat weights are different from your characters statweights
sturdy python
Everyone's weights will be different, look in pinned messages for a general guideline
spare cloud
In any case for optimal results you need to sim yourself
ionic charm
You should read the guide @meager basalt goer. It gives you the same basic guide to stat weights we can give you, while additionally giving you info about all of the other mistakes you might be making
sturdy python
But sim yourself on raidbots for more accurate ones
safe matrix
stat weights are dependent on what traits, gear, and talents you have and the type of fight.
especially with titanforging the only real reliable way is to sim your character
ionic charm
sim your stat weights on raidbots like this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29ASW8aZ7h4cCekhSUPe2V
finally got 17k 😄
spare cloud
17k phew
royal lantern
too get that high you just need good luck with your weekly chest at this point lul
spare cloud
Yeah, my rogue is undergeared
been slacking on alts
I'm at like 14k or smth 
but doesn't really matter if the rogue only ever comes in for Zul anyways
ionic charm
I've had a decent amount of good loot from raid, I wouldn't say i've gotten the best stuff from mythic caches, but my 385 blightborne and sharpned blades pieces are actually pretty good for most raid encounters.
I even got a double dose piece that sims lower somehow
royal lantern
you have a 385 blightborn infusion shoulder mate
thats pretty much 1 of the best things you can get
spare cloud
Overwhelming Power 
royal lantern
the ilvl difference you have cus of 2x 385 alone gives you a HUGE boost over other people
ionic charm
lol there's plenty with that meticulous scheming/fan shoulder that would tell you otherwise 😛
royal lantern
just an example mate:P
ivll/stat wise not THAT different, your shoulders/chest and the mythic weapon alone are a huge boost too get that 16k+ dps
ionic charm
I get that, but its not just the azerite. Other than your gcb every one of my slots is better than yours, so there's other things that make up that difference
spare cloud
Been pretty lucky on loot so far with my main
but on rogue, not so much
No dagger from Zul or Mother
wheat zealot
Looted 385 legs tonight off mother, rerolled 385 dagger poggers
royal lantern
not having rogue as your main
strange echo
Can ANYONE post a guide stating that it's a good idea to send Sin rogues over early on mythic mother?
royal lantern
why even play the game
meager basalt
try some pvp @spare cloud the dagger drop rate pretty high
royal lantern
there is like, no reason at all too do this lul
royal lantern
maybe your raidleader doesnt understand that there is a difference bettwen sin/sub/outlaw lol
strange echo
My "raid-lead" just feels like it's a good idea to send me over early because I have blind and kidney so that makes me super important over there for CC
when prior to me going over there he's sending 2 WW a Havoc and Enh sham
royal lantern
same
just tell him its stupid tbf
if he doesnt understand that he is a crappy rl
strange echo
He says all the guides state rogues are a great class to send over there so I'm just trying to find this proof
royal lantern
´´im doing high st dmg on the boss, but my aoe is slow, why do you want me over so early? it gives us nothing´´ if he doesnt understand that, idk man
spare cloud
Just play all at once tactic
ember rover
If he wants to send you over, just swap to Outlaw.
royal lantern
why swap too memelaw when they have a dh and 2 monks?
shit is dead in seconds anyway
hot snow
who's staying in the last group?
wheat zealot
Dh can just fel barrage + eye beam and basically solo adds lol
hot snow
2 monks can pretty much keep the adds stunned till they splatter
royal lantern
we send over 15 people at once, and the paladins needs too bubble the dh cus barrage+eye beam is too much threat for the tank lol
wheat zealot
Yup ours gets a bop too
ember rover
Are you doing HC or what?
wheat zealot
Otherwise, poof hes dead
royal lantern
no? on mythic we wait until the first flames come out, pop barrier/darknes/spirit link and send every one over except the 2 rogues 1 tank and 1 healer
vast mulch
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wide furnace
Two rogues stay for my team as well
pearl meteor
just send every1 at once 🤷
haughty lily
daring imp
for raiding? m+? too few info
steep obsidian
ss is op for dungeons
spare cloud
then go ss
daring imp
SS is a must have for dungeons, atleast ONE of it
the others will depend if higher keys or not
SS is overall the best pick
daring imp
lul
pearl meteor
aka hes boosted
steep obsidian
what fight is that gif from?
wide furnace
@daring imp 100%. Raid lead has to hand hold everyone over the barrier.
limpid willow
outlaw or sin for mystical vectis
dark token
depends
does your group need more add dmg
or more overall dmg
if more add dmg play outlaw
if more overall play sin
spare cloud
Mystical vectis
prime void
civic palm
Correct.
spare cloud
get out
slim olive
tribal marlin
okok
cold ether
sin got a nerf?
slim olive
when?
safe matrix
!changelog
prisma monolithBOT
safe matrix
was a pvp only nerf
civic palm
ooo
safe matrix
like my new command? 😉
cold ether
very noice
civic palm
IsGud
clear harbor
Guys whats your favourite azerit combo for raiding? U go 2 uldir traits + 1 ss or do you have some kind of special tacticz?
sonic slate
there was a weak aura with rotation with qab on bottom that i have deleted by mistake do you know the name of it?
tribal marlin
but why vigor in m+ ? with all thoose bleeds energy is never an issue or maybe it's just for ST ?
vapid oracle
i play whatever sims best out of my current azerite hard to really give u BiS when high ilvl azerite is hard to come by
steep obsidian
wouldnt that sim have 100% uptime on lust?
daring imp
ayyyyyyyy
steep obsidian
you too can join the club that makes you want to murder tanks who move bosses and mobs randomly without even needing to
lone hamlet
Anyone from a club “shittytrinkets”?
lone hamlet
Guys how u r farming trinkets ? Just going to sos like 24:7 ?
latent field
I feel like every once in a while a tank sees me put down the ward then gets freaked out and reacts by moving. It’s got to be the only explanation
vapid oracle
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latent field
You’re not visible by other people
tribal marlin
oh boy I'm a sub diehard and I miss glaive so damn hard 😦
I did SotS +0 last week because I need SS helm
droped 340 galecaller ...
lone hamlet
Lucky bastard
tribal marlin
I've done 20 time SoTS 8-10+ still no trink -)
steep obsidian
who needs to do 10s anyway
tribal marlin
and why tf it has to be SOTS !!
would have been atal'dazar
but sots literraly people ragequit 67% of time
and some time you run SoTS with 3 sin rogue and you do 2chest on +11 tyrannical
cunning needle
i dont think i've ever done a SoTS with a clean run on the 2nd boss
steep obsidian
i havent struggled with a shrine group tbh its not that bad
lone hamlet
Why u hurting me so much
steep obsidian
2nd boss is kinda bad on tyrannical i guess
you need good dps or an op healer
and if you have a low interrupt gruop its rough
tribal marlin
ye I play sub actually this week
sub ST build with darkshadow
pull 20k on boss xD
steep obsidian
yes
tribal marlin
no I mean I pull 35k but I do sustain 20k up to girl's death
steep obsidian
you have to pay attention to the debuff on the mob though
coz if you swap targets you obv wont get the crit buff to stack up
hearty yew
so i shouldnt use it in m+
leaden storm
is there anything for me to read on galecallers usage?
clear harbor
Before exsang if you use it
leaden storm
can't be used together right? needs to be led by galecallers?
warm hatch
you run vigor in M+ because you want the energy to put out 3x SS garrotes on trash
especially if you run 3x SS
harsh glacier
is there any advantage to using the 2.6 offhands?
steep obsidian
what?
steep obsidian
you need 2 daggers for sin prolfiic
hollow mica
Just did a low SoTS. My god the second boss is actually stupid and cleanses poisons
buoyant coyote
Can I just have a clarifaction on the guide so i know i understand it correfct
there is no "use mutliate when u have X energy" right
cant see anything like that
steep obsidian
focus on ep and evennom uptime
buoyant coyote
ep ?
steep obsidian
your talent that you chose in that sim
buoyant coyote
ofc
I just wanted to have something to do
and sin is more skill based the outlaw I think
daring imp
@signal salmon i think it's only for pvp, no?
cunning needle
signal salmon
Is pooolin is dps increase now?
buoyant coyote
so baiscly there is no "use mutilate on X energy then"
daring imp
pooling always helped as long as you didn't let dots fall
cunning needle
well use it if you're about to cap
buoyant coyote
im abit low most of the time in this 8 atm
cunning needle
but in teh scenario where you're casting envemons and mutliates off cooldown
compared to saving energy for when you envenom you can cast 2x muti afterwards
you'll do more damage
because more poison procs
steep obsidian
i mean
pooling is focus on buff uptimes
it doesnt mean sit there and do nothign with a full energy bar
signal salmon
Pool for Linkin ep
buoyant coyote
and use TB inside EP
signal salmon
I guess
daring imp
if possible, yes
gusty yoke
is there any point where MP>EP?
daring imp
they don't sim that far
limpid willow
outlaw mains when the raid lead asks them to pool cooldowns
buoyant coyote
depends on sims i guess
daring imp
i wonder if double dose is increased by mp
gusty yoke
i want to say obv it is
warm hatch
the 6% nerf was a pvp nerf
gusty yoke
but who knows whit blizzard
warm hatch
whoever ask
civic palm
YEAH WELL YOU DESERVE IT
buoyant coyote
lime briar
MA or sub for M+ with TB?
lime briar
shit u right
robust axle
CT is so good for dungeons
keen urchin
how do you implement CT in rotation btw?
I try to open g,g,g,CT but it feels like shit energy wise after that
proven arrow
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robust axle
Depends on the amount of mobs
proven arrow
! Stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
robust axle
On 4-5 just do g,g,g,rupture,g,CT,rupture spam
keen urchin
mh yeah I'll try that
robust axle
More rupture = more energy
keen urchin
how do you manage to "spam" CT on more targets though?
I know it becomes priority for CP dumping at 5+
robust axle
Get a CT up early, then priritize ruptures and garrotes, after that you can spam CT finishers
if +5 mobs
keen urchin
yeah ok thanks
terse crescent
Does CT not work with venomous wounds
ember coral
Do you guys still use system chock in pvp?
terse crescent
Sorry if I'm asking like a Dumbo
Try asking in PvP, I use system shock but I'm not huge in PvP nor assassination
ember coral
Ok thx
viscid pawn
Use exsan off cooldown? And delay vendetta for 3rd exsan?
robust axle
@terse crescent Im afraid not, which is why you want to get out garrotes and ruptures first
In dungeons just use exsang on CD unless you hit a boss before it comes off again
viscid pawn
Are u using tb or exsan for raids?
robust axle
You can sim it - its probably easier to get max usage out of TB imo
tawdry canyon
at how many targets does FoK become the go to ability to spam between finishers?
tawdry canyon
thank you 😃
viscid pawn
Ich feels awkward to refresh a 15-20 sec rupture for exsan
tawdry canyon
oh also, how many targets are required for CT to be "usable" or more valuable than using cp on rupture/envenom? do i use ct whenever there is 2 targets?
viscid pawn
To get the max rupture duration
robust axle
Nah, dont use CT on 2 targtes
Can probs get the bleed up on 3T+ after garrote and rupture is put
cold meteor
I use CT on 3+ targets
tawdry canyon
in packs of like 4-6, i usually 3x garrote then CT then start to get ruptures up, is that correct or do i need to rupture before ct?
neon thunder
when you run boon trinket, and you pop with your first exsang (M+ build). do you delay you 2ndr exsang to line up with CD of boon? 15s difference not sure if its worth it or not
daring imp
i don't
some do
if you check top parses you'll see some doing it, some not doing it
so ...
but make sure to have gcb on every vanish/vend/exs tho
ebon prism
if i'm 3/8M, is it still worth it to use all my bonus rerolls on the dooms wake/lions roar trinket (world boss)?
i have 370 plumage and the darkmoon card
bloodmallet says theyre about 100 dps diff, so maybe thats not that beneficial
gusty yoke
I’ve just given up on exg i keep forgetting to use it after vendetta 
molten echo
So for M+, do I run 2x SS and a 370 double dose head, or 3x SS with the head being 345? Using exsang. I'm leaning towards 3x SS, DD is kinda nice vs tyrannical bosses this week tho
gusty yoke
I would go DD cause of tyrannical like you pointed out
Then again ive not even played rogue for 1week so might be wrong 
strange python
which azerite traits do we wanna have when playing TB, it sims about 800 dps higher for me Oo
gusty yoke
Probaly twist the knife and SS 🤔
strange python
got Swirling Sands, Blightborne and SS
daring imp
i got blightborne/ttk/laser with TB/ma
strange python
feelsbadman, kinda like exsang
neon thunder
I use archive and double Ss for m+
worldly shard
is system shock still decent in 2s? if not whats better
pearl meteor
It’s still fine
magic mural
Is archive better oder scent of blood? In m+ only. I feel like with 2 ruptures up, scent is already even with archives
drifting elbow
depends if those specific azerite ones are same ilvl
usually archive wins on total gain on agi with stacks and ilvl difference agi vs 340 one and stuff
also some might see archive just being better cuz it gives more agi on boss fights 🤷
valid meadow
I'm running x3 archives right now (because i'm too lazy to run m+10 to get better traits)
i mean, it's working, its not optimal
I don't even know who i am writing to, i just wanted to get it out there
drifting elbow
not using at least one SS 
valid meadow
Man i hate SS after the nerf
valid meadow
I do like poisoned wire, and my pawn is taking me in the crit direction alot lately
summer marten
Also dont have a single piece with SS, not even lower ilvl... Still hoping for zandalar emissary with azerite to appear and give me gonk outrunner shoulders 370ilvl
valid meadow
Something weird tho, double dose is a downgrade in dps on the same piece, even if i already have 2 archives
drifting elbow
i imagine agi is just that good for u atm
valid meadow
Haha i usually run the 10% one
i just wanted to try it
for 2 bosses
haven't changed back cause i haven't been logged in
my bad
drifting elbow
np
drifting elbow
didnt feel bad when i countered feral druid and DH who assaulted me but they still lost 1v1 
poison with slows is op kite tool
valid meadow
i knoooow right
fuckin frost mage-ass rogue
so much fun
Full bleeds and then start running around pillar
gusty yoke
Is the emissary giving 370 live already? 🤔
strange python
not in EU Horde :d
strange python
there u got gold and sweet azerite power since tuesday 😄
gusty yoke
True
half ginkgo
