So I have 1 SS and 2x DD
#assassination
empty gyro
little frigate
what doe you mean herodamage?
pearl meteor
Website
little frigate
ah
empty gyro
@pearl meteor x1 SS and 2x DD
little frigate
christ fan of blades is literally at the bottom
pearl meteor
Gar rup gar ven tb env mut mut env
little frigate
so is meti schemer
pearl meteor
@empty gyro
empty gyro
Alright, that's what i've been doing.
glass vessel
@little frigate welcome to the pistoleer shoulders club, glad to have you
we hate ourselves
little frigate
haha @glass vessel
what the fuck is wrong with those douchebags at blizzard
might as well give is an item level 450 turd
unkempt karma
Is dooms really worse then fathoms?
pearl meteor
Gar mut rup ven mut tb env mut mut rnv
glass vessel
for ST yes unles sit's like 395 ilvl, fathoms is insane
pearl meteor
@empty gyro
unkempt karma
370 dooms wake should be better but its not -.-
pearl meteor
Make sure 4+ cp on finishers tho
U cld get cucked
R u using gc CX?
Only use 1 on use @unkempt karma
final stone
literally like 4 dps difference from exsan and TB for me lol
pearl meteor
Nice
unkempt karma
Atm I got
KT cannonball 390 < using
Dooms wake 370 with socket
Tiny Jar 375 not using
Fathoms 355 < Using
was hoping to up dps a little
wheat zealot
Tbh dooms would prob outperform cannon in real play
It assumes every blast hits, which usually isent the case
hollow stone
But watching cannons drop from the sky increases morale which increases dps. A happy rogue is a high dmging rogue
glass vessel
theyd rop from the sky? awesome lol
havent used the trinket i think i got a 340 version but never equipped
unkempt karma
So fathoms + dooms wake
wheat zealot
Is what i would use personally, i hate cannon with a passion
unkempt karma
I just never thought of it
pearl meteor
Even 200
They shlda made the cannons follow ur target around lmao
With some1 pushing it
glass vessel
that would be lit
pearl meteor
4head
wheat zealot
Heat seeking musket 
pearl meteor
Rofl
glass vessel
petition to have that an item in-game
glass vessel
nah taurens
glass vessel
still waiting on my tauren rogue
pearl meteor
Too big
hollow mica
Does 355 ilevel swimming 12.5k dps seem alright?
pearl meteor
🤷♀️
glass vessel
i have the taurens in my raid swap me so im a tauren all night, gamon toy for backup. RP lads
one day the tauren rogue dream will come true
glass vessel
pearl meteor
Lmao
glass vessel
jsut accept me for who i am @pearl meteor dont do this to me
strange python
stray root
1 archive vs 1 ss
pearl meteor
Do u have 1 of either already
stray root
no
pearl meteor
Archive for raid ss for m+
stray root
since I will be doing both then just go for ss?
unkempt karma
@pearl meteor losing like 70-80 dps if I switch out KT ball
stray root
wont it get expensive in the end?
pearl meteor
For alot of fights ye
stray root
is dungeons then just 3x ss?
cerulean magnet
Guys, i got a 380 gale off of cache
pearl meteor
Ihy
unkempt karma
GZ
stray root
DD?
pearl meteor
Mhm
cerulean magnet
When do you guya use it 😮
hollow mica
Gz
glass vessel
i got a 385 pair of glvoesi immediately replaced when i got 395's from taloc. feelsgood
pearl meteor
Also hate u
hollow mica
Worth refilling on WB? Cuz of trinket?
cerulean magnet
Hajaha
hollow mica
Rerolling*
glass vessel
taloc lvoes to titanforge for me, ive given away 2 385 belts that tf'd in heroic, got one on mythic in between
cerulean magnet
Just macro it with vendetta then?
cerulean magnet
Yes
inner pecan
macroing a 1m CD to a 2m CD is kind of pointless
pearl meteor
When it comes up
inner pecan
bcz u need a seperate bind or smth anyway
stuck shuttle
not really
pearl meteor
N u will b syncing with tb anyways
stuck shuttle
if you macro vendetta with GCB, you just press Q again
stuck shuttle
press it again*
inner pecan
i dont like macroing GCB to an ability because sometimes i wanna use that ability when im slightly on the move
it's just not perfect
pearl meteor
Mhm
inner pecan
the best play 100% of the time is just to have a completely seperate binding
stuck shuttle
but if you use it with Vendetta, you're probably not moving
inner pecan
anything else is unoptimal even if slightly
hollow stone
Yea. Separate binds are usually better for optimizing. Very true
inner pecan
well probably not moving is not always not moving
cerulean magnet
See for sub i have my trinket off of Warfront macro with shadow dance
It works wonders
That's why i was asking if i could do the same with gale and vendetta
stuck shuttle
are you holding your GCB for a minute?
because if not, you can just press the macroa gain
stray root
@midnight beacon what trait setup is BiS for dungeons?
stuck shuttle
whenver youw ant
hollow stone
Most people forget to use on use trinkets which is why macroing it to something you will use is recommended but if you dont forget, its better to have separate binds
inner pulsar
@hollow stone @stuck shuttle @wheat zealot Whats cracking my dudes
inner pulsar
Oh, right
empty gyro
@stray root 3x SS
wheat zealot
stray root
aight ty
hollow stone
No friendship allowed
wheat zealot
Dont ban me pls
empty gyro
Night buddy, ty for the help
stray root
how high of an ilvl increase b4 its worth swapping away from ss?
cerulean magnet
Ill just do it separately
inner pulsar
So, on topic, I was actually trying to figure out what to do with GCB last night, and I decided on seperate binds but with a WA for both Vend and GCB to yell at me when to use
empty gyro
Depends on the other trait @stray root
stray root
aight
inner pecan
seperate binds is ideal
inner pulsar
Or, more accurately, one WA for each
empty gyro
@inner pulsar I wish Icould get a GCB 😦
hollow stone
Thats a good solution to the "people forget" problem ad well
cerulean magnet
Also, when mis fight, do you use vanish for reapplying garrote ( 1 ss trait ) or something else? Talking m+ boss for example
inner pulsar
@empty gyro Mine is only 365, but it did make a difference
empty gyro
My buddy got a 9 shrine though, so hopefully i can get it either from the chest or RR 😛
cerulean magnet
@inner pulsar care to share that wa? 😛
empty gyro
Still running DMF trinket but I got lucky last week and got a socketed Dead shot
inner pulsar
Haha, I was just typing that @cerulean magnet , let me log in
empty gyro
2nd boss is more confusing then the last
inner pulsar
Anyone else who is interested PM, dont want to get knocked for being OT
empty gyro
Going to try running 2x DD and 1x SS tonight with TB instead of 2x SS with exsang tonight in M+
keen inlet
Imagine acting like #off-topic doesn't exist for y'all to chat in 
empty gyro
How's that off topic
keen inlet
Wasn't talking to you.
empty gyro
😦
keen inlet
You're 
fine
frank shard
is 340 DD better than higher ilvl azerite pieces with decent traits?
I have 370 LM Archive and SS
inner pulsar
I'm sorry, I missed your message because I was actually helping people
empty gyro
@frank shard What are you running?
languid ore
You're talking about making a weak aura for assass. Seems on topic to me
frank shard
idk how to sim myself with gear I don't have
ionic charm
Gear compare
inner pecan
^
frank shard
Ah
shrewd bough
I've simmed DD vs SS for myself with similar ilvl and DD was a .6% dps increase
your mileage may vary
inner pulsar
Just trying to follow the rules, and keep the channel clear of things that aren't Sin specific (Trinket WA), but anyone who wants either of them is welcome to PM me
empty gyro
^
frank shard
@empty gyro Running Lazer Matrix Sharpened Blades and Shrouded
calm grail
Also remember that your varying talents my play a factor when considering SS vs DD
frank shard
All at 370
frank shard
oh m+
empty gyro
Always SS
gray shuttle
Hello and check the pin dumbfkers
inner pecan
dd is not good in m+
languid ore
And the weak aura yells at you?
inner pecan
it's a pure ST trait only
short token
should i still be running at least one SS in m+?
radiant python
So I've read through the rules and guides and wanted to ask before I just started linking things. Would anyone be willing to take a look at a log from my raid last night and let me know if there is anything I'm doing wrong? I am a newbie rogue but an oldschool player and would love any advice anyone could offer!
inner pulsar
@radiant python If you post them someone will most likely have some suggestions for you
strange echo
@inner pulsar mind sharing that WA in a DM I'm running a 370+sock GCB and it's a fickle mistress
gray shuttle
Why would anyone be here if everything is check the pin and sim yo self
ionic charm
@short token most likely, but not 100%. If you have 385 pieces with all decent traits and only 340 pieces of ss you wouldn’t use any
calm grail
SS gets a lot of value in m+ Slickr, you're going to restealth a lot
cerulean walrus
@gray shuttle Its not, its just that when people ask stupid shit like that you get a stupid answer
inner pulsar
Full disclosure on the Trinket WA, I stole it from someone and tweaked it
empty gyro
You pretty much always have 3x empowered SS running on M+
inner pulsar
@languid ore Yes
gray shuttle
@cerulean walrus But the answer is not in check the pin and sim yo self
inner pulsar
Well, the Vend one does a gong
alpine rain
which website has more accurate azerite trait stat weights?
inner pulsar
When Vend and Vanish are off CD
keen inlet
@gray shuttle Relax.
radiant python
I sim myself often, but I can't seem to break 90% for my itemlevel with assassination where as I was doing it much more frequently with outlaw.
cerulean walrus
@gray shuttle If its about gear, yes it is in sim yo self... if its about rotation... its in the pins 🤦
inner pecan
spam replying with a sim yo self emoji might be the most useless shit ever
i agree
especially for a question about ss in m+ which is barely simmable with the state of restealths in simc atm
gray shuttle
@cerulean walrus Not every rotation is available in the pins
Ravenholdt only has old information and thats why we come here ITS NOT IN THE PINS
languid ore
You have a new rotation? Please share!
ionic charm
@languid ore MA TB opener isn’t in guide, that’s what they’re referring to
round rover
There's a secret rotation? Oh boy
gray shuttle
No people try to be creative and discover new stuff here
solid nova
@gray shuttle Your question yesterday was "What enchants are best", which is based from your own stat weights, which you'll need to sim yourself for. No one can tell you what your weights are.
Not sure why you're still salty about it 24hrs later.
cerulean walrus
@ionic charm Its literally the legion sin rogue rotation -Kingsbane
inner pecan
not everyone played legion sin rogue
ionic charm
@cerulean walrus i know, but I’m just showing why some people could ask rotation questions
It’s not cut and dry
cerulean walrus
Then look at the legion sin rogue rotation? 🤔
languid ore
Yea. I came back from Cata. It's been awhile.
tropic heron
my friend otld me assassination is nerfed 6% in pvp?
i cant find it anywhere though
is this true?
inner pecan
yes
warm geode
@cerulean walrus isnt, legion we would tb then vanish for env, now we vanish then tb inside, we cant make sure of 2 env inside MA, cuz the mutilate need to be 4cp to be worth
sudden estuary
Master poisoner or elaborate planning for m+?
ionic charm
EP
warm geode
no more 100% crit
strange echo
@tropic heron it's also posted in the #mmochampionnews
cerulean walrus
@warm geode so for all intensive purposes its the same with one swap
gray shuttle
Sim yo self
keen spruce
tropic heron
christ
inner pulsar
Yeah, to be fair, I don't believe the MA TB opener is in the guide. It is G >Mut > R > Mut to 4 > Vend > TB > Env > Pray for 4 CP Mut > Env
tropic heron
is is assassination rogue dead for pvp?
cerulean walrus
No
ionic charm
@warm geode also the sim apl treats 2nd and 3rd vanish like nothing, they vanish with 0 cp and TB on cd, just mut env mut
warm geode
@cerulean walrus ok, but from yesterday the dsicursion was, we vanish tb or tb vanish, because of this i reply, but u r right, almost the same playstyle of legion assassin
gray shuttle
answer could be if ure heavy on haste that and that and if ure heavy on crit it tends favor that that. But SIM YO SELF is stupid culture here.
inner pulsar
Wait, I missed Vanish, it is right after TB
tropic heron
do you think system shock is still a good trait?
keen inlet
@gray shuttle It was literally the answer to your question yesterday.
strange echo
I love my HUD stole it from Devlin LOL
gray shuttle
For example u cant believe in Galecaller's Boon sim
keen inlet
Stop creating drama.
solid nova
Simming yourself for weapon enchants which is based on stat weights is the correct answer.
cerulean walrus
@gray shuttle Clear bait, you need to sim to see stat weights, end of discussion
gray shuttle
You cant believe in Galecaller's Boon sim dummy im here for people'
inner pulsar
G >Mut > R > Mut to 4 > Vend > TB > Vanish > Env > Pray for 4 CP Mut > Env
inner pecan
you can 100% believe in GCB sim lol
inner pulsar
There you go
inner pecan
you are deluded
warm geode
@ionic charm didnt know about dat, prob , u want vanish with 2 or 3 cps, so u vanish, tb, env, mut
stuck shuttle
The Don is here 
nova gazelle
Does simming count the +5 array buff on Archive trait?
gray shuttle
im here for people's personal experience cuz simming is pure numbers
spice surge
I mean you can have people here guessing and estimating whats best for your character. Or you can sim it and get an exact and concrete answer
inner pecan
unless you're a monkey who doesn't know how and when to stand still for 10s
solid nova
Welcome to DPS, where 99% of your questions can be answered with simming 👍🏼
cerulean walrus
Bu-but strafing @inner pecan
keen inlet
from the godfather of simc
gray shuttle
Welcome to wow, where 100% of ur questions can be answered with conversation
warm geode
@inner pulsar good open, but u need a god for dat, rng god, overall, vanish>tb is more consistence
keen inlet
inner pulsar
@warm geode Negative, with MA, TB > Vanish is superior
keen inlet
So maybe confirm your own setups/understandings before spreading misinformation--and also, if you truly think there's a bug, bring it up with our TC-ers
solid nova
@gray shuttle Unless i can guess your stat weights, that isnt going to give you an accurate answer.
inner pecan
don't you need custom script to restealth in simc
keen inlet
and/or DM Aethys about it, or check in the SimC discord, which is conveniently linked in Rules and Guides
inner pecan
idk if I would say that's very intuitive for the majority of the playerbase
gray shuttle
@solid nova unless conversation can dwell into what's your stat weights? instead of stupid SIM YO SELF
keen inlet
I don't know how much more intuitive you could be than Herodamage.
inner pecan
that's true enough
keen inlet
@gray shuttle Enough, dude. Seriously.
cerulean walrus
@gray shuttle When a Shadowblade is telling you to shut it... that's when you do...
warm geode
@warm geode uhave aprox 55% chance do get 4cp from mutilate with MA ( 75% crit, 25 avg and 50 from MA )
solid nova
@gray shuttle Sim your stat weights, then post them, then we can go from there 👍🏼
cerulean walrus
AND a SHADOW
ionic charm
@warm geode I wait 7s for Tb to be up before I vanish yeah, just saying what the sim APL does. Seems really underwhelming to use in general tbh, even tho it sims higher
hoary copper
TIL Feelycraft > Sims according to sin channel
warm geode
@ionic charm yeah, i agree, the apl can be outdated for MA
inner pulsar
@warm geode Don't know what else to tell you, it was tested yesterday, simmed out 33 dps better to TB > Vanish
gray shuttle
Thats what i like to hear not automatically sim yo self on every discussion
ionic charm
@warm geode some guy in #tc-research posted sims showing how an updated apl with TB before vanish was a slight dps increase so... who actually knows
warm geode
like i say, can be better, yes, but inst consistent
errant kestrel
Hey guys i have a question. For weapon enchants is it better to go for two haste or one haste and another secondary stat?
stuck shuttle
one haste, one crit
keen inlet
!warn @gray shuttle stop derailing the thread with complaints about the entirely appropriate answer you were given a day ago.
stuck shuttle
2 of the same does nothing but stack it fatter
keen inlet
Next up it's a mute.
stuck shuttle
faster*
hoary copper
You dont want to stack same stats
keen inlet
Understood?
warm geode
@errant kestrel never 2 of the same
sturdy python
Sims sim hundreds and thousands of times, thatsconsistency
inner pulsar
Ultimately, what I think you should take from those results is that it doesn't really matter
gray shuttle
Forget about that day ago thing im outta here this is complete utter useless bullshit
sturdy python
It more boils down to, who cares about 30 dps lol
hoary copper
byeeeeee
keen inlet
hoary copper
👋
solid nova
Just remember, when you reroll, the answer will be the same in your next class discord.
Thanks for stopping by
ionic charm
Lol
cerulean walrus
Omegalul
cerulean walrus
Nah
safe matrix
Now, y'all get back on topic 😡
spice surge
Yes sir!
cerulean walrus
That would be "Check the spreadsheet"
sturdy python
Shadow priests used to no trust Sims in legion
IDK if they still do
Crap OT sorry
inner pulsar
@sturdy python Watch it
sturdy python
warm geode
@sturdy python they dont need to sim, just look at tank dps, if is the same, he is doing right
mortal basalt
In that MA opener if the 4 cp mut doesnt land what do u do? Just env with 2 or 3?
ionic charm
@spice surge when you simmed rupture not refreshing during Tb, would the apl refresh rupture outside of pandemic before Tb, or would it let rupture fall off?
inner pulsar
Take that with a pile of salt
spice surge
Outside pandemic
ionic charm
Cool that’s what I figured ty
spice surge
Letting rupture fall is generally awful
ionic charm
Ye
spice surge
as it makes you get less energy
analog oracle
Guys, for mythic+ would you take 355 head with SS or 370 head with Swirling Sands/Scent of Blood?
ionic charm
I literally never knew that, played throughout all of legion with 97 avg lul
stuck shuttle
@inner pulsar If within the MA window, I'd just envenom with 3
unless it was a CP mut, then def mut again
strange python
@analog oracle SS
stuck shuttle
2 CP*
frank shuttle
I believe you refresh rup when it's at 7.4 seconds of less now, if it's a 5cp rup
warm geode
@analog oracle depends or the playstyle of the tank and dungeon, if u get alot stealth, SS if not the other is fine
i use archive 385 over 345 SS
strange python
A lot of stealth?
inner pecan
restealths
warm geode
chain pull?
strange python
Never ran into that problem
analog oracle
@strange python @warm geode would the decision change if i already have 1 SS trait?
inner pulsar
@stuck shuttle Well as soon as I said it I was trying to think of my muscle memory, and I believe I Env on 3 as well
warm geode
i did shrine 12. the tank wouldnt stop chain pull
inner pecan
try doing a Siege with the Spotter cheese
warm geode
@analog oracle i dont think so, at least swift is a good trait
strange python
@analog oracle Use SS on pugs, Scent on premade groups if the tank pulls 5+ mobs
inner pecan
ur basically in combat for the whole dungeon lol
stuck shuttle
@inner pulsar because you either crit on Envenom or crit on a 2nd mut and waste the CP
inner pulsar
I just hopped up to get coffee before correcting
tight pelican
@bleak storm use simc addon it will tell tou
analog oracle
@warm geode @strange python oke thanks boys ❤
inner pulsar
No talk of chain pulling, thats OT
keen inlet
@inner pulsar Nice bait. Quit it.
inner pulsar
Why? How exactly did that violate ANY rule?
keen inlet
You're passive aggressive comments about OT/moderation are, in themselves, OT
take them to DMs to staff or to #off-topic
inner pulsar
I have helped more people in the last 40 minutes than I've seen you do in a day, on all kinds of stuff. I like the people here, I know others feel the same way, we don't want to go to your OT channel, we want to help people here and enjoy each others company
inner pulsar
Hahah
keen inlet
This is for sin discussion.
warm geode
would be nice if boths shut up and take to private this chat
keen inlet
!mute @inner pulsar 1h This is your time out
stuck shuttle
keen inlet
!mute @warm geode 1h respect the rules and the mods. This is your time out.
fervent beacon
fading spade
don is on a roll just be sure to dodge it!
keen inlet
Are we all clear? Does anybody else want to take a grand stand?
Or can this channel stop being ridiculous, for maybe a day.
stuck shuttle
We will be good boys
full pecan
uh i might sound stupid, but MA is now better than subtre?
stuck shuttle
yes with the right gear @full pecan
fading spade
if you arent using SS then use MA
strange python
rofl
fading spade
subt is only really useful for those sweet sweet empowered garrotes
strange python
No dont do that
sim urself
Im not using any Ss for raid and the diff between ma/sub was 1 dps
fervent beacon
I like using Subt so I can CS the boss for faster cp gen
wanton wagon
Next level
dry badge
Doing HC soon and I am not sure what bosses to coin anymore. Can anyone give some pointer?
fervent beacon
I'd coin the azerite pieces and weapons
wanton wagon
Yeah, weapons and azerite all the way, depending on what you need more
ionic charm
Coin fetid chest 100% for m+ at the very least
ionic charm
Most people do both, and it’s the only place to get a reliably high SS piece
strange python
uh not necessarily
Because u didnt say if u have SS pieces at all
Just a vague question
dry badge
Dont have any SS atm :S
fervent beacon
Not really, its just a recommendation 
dry badge
So a 370 SS chest is better then a 385 Dagger back?=
ionic charm
For m+ it sure is
dry badge
Cool, fetid it is then
saving the other coins for whenever we get around to doing mytic 😛
Ty guys! ❤
tropic heron
do you guys think assassination will still be the top pvp spec for rogues?
or did the nerfs change that
tropic heron
obviously hard to say right now i just want some ideas
oh shit is this the wrong channel sorry
keen inlet
@tropic heron PvP is about more than dmg, tbh. It's about your toolkit
tropic heron
it was related to assassionatin so i thought itd fit
warm echo
need help with focus macro, got this far but subterfuge puts me in a deadzone where i cant cheap shot or kidney shot /cast [@focus, stealth] cheap shot; [@focus, nostealth] kidney shot
keen inlet
probably better info there.
tropic heron
ohh ok
yeah im not very good at pvp im barely above 1600
so it prolly wont mean much i just wanted a better players opinion
hollow stone
Pvp channel would be bumping today, and youll get better info on specs in there than just sin in here
tropic heron
ok yeah ill check that out thanks
ebon zinc
Hello, I dont find the solution on ravenholdt so I ask here : what we have to do in our rotation with ONE Sharpened Blades trait please?
tropic heron
also is it sin or ass? i see poeple say both
ionic charm
@ebon zinc use at 29 stacks
Preferably with EP up but supposedly it’s not worth delaying
hollow stone
You see assa and sin a lot but im a polite boy so i dont say ass 😁
ebon zinc
someone have a good wa pastebin for this trait ?
hollow stone
Either works tho
ebon zinc
@ionic charm thank you 😃
hazy sphinx
29 stacks?
ionic charm
Because you auto attack in pairs and 1 could be wasted
ionic charm
It’s a fairly forgiving trait in actual practice, since your damage is far more reliant on crits than the difference between 29 and 30 stacks
Pk crits, that is
hollow stone
Thats ideal if you time it perfectly but perfect timing usually results in a lost gcd and a sad rogue
ionic charm
It’s even more annoying with MA because it never lines up with vanish
hollow stone
It feels like it never lines with vend either, it statistically does but it feels this way lol
hearty yew
is it really that better on aoe to aim for aoe stat weights?
ionic charm
@hollow stone when I do my opener with lust and few parries/misses, I get my first 30 stack before vendetta falls, that’s always a fat opener, but only happens like 25% of the time
hollow stone
Yea. I havent played sb in weeks now and i think i had the same thing, i just felt the timings always sucked. Unlike cold heart for frost dk that lines up perfectly every time
Its all feely tho, chances are i had some good sb timings but im a salt boi
ionic charm
Sure. I ended up accidentally using SB even on M Zek and getting a 99 lol. It’s really not as bad as most people think, and not as bad as it feels
hollow stone
No. Its a decent trait and adds some flavor to the spec, just not a fan myself
Would still be using if it simmed higher for me tho lol
keen inlet
Btw, ty for those who do help--please try to keep the misinfo to an accidental minimum, remember you are not obligated to answer questions and "helping others" isn't free license to act like a turdlord.
But again, ty for those who do help the community. You are appreciated. And Off-topic is for everyone, not just the people hanging out there now. If that wasn't clear.
Back to sin talk, sorry for the interruption!
ionic charm
It sims highest so I use it. But I notice more situations where it’s useful than where I notice it being a nuisance. Would much rather have a DD piece at same ilvl tho
hollow stone
Just dont run it if doing ghuun orbs, dagger toss for the cysts is too good and you waste your stacks constantly lol
ionic charm
Lol I run first orb I don’t give a fuck about my dps on that
I’ve given up on explaining what stealth is
hollow stone
Yeah thats true. It might even be worth saving a full stack for vuln phase and vanish it too
Prob get a nasty crit
ionic charm
Yeah it’s pretty nice. And during first beam you can pad on G’huun in the Wall since you get another 30 stack before he comes out 😄
hollow stone
Ooo. My cheese fellow
ionic charm
Although that’s just to make myself feel better about not getting to open from stealth
hollow stone
I always do that crap, raid is yelling to get in efflorescence and im just teeing off gettin dem parses lol
ionic charm
In heroic I don’t see why it’s an issue. The aoe damage is like 60% of your hp over 15s
I’ll pop crimson vial and be fine if it’s really an “issue”
hollow stone
Yea. Exactly. Its like 1 vial use
Anyway, need to get some work done. @ me if questions
And sim yo selves
hazy sphinx
Could I live through a zekvoz donut with feint
ionic charm
Yeah even in mythic
hazy sphinx
I'm gonna need some data. Cause if I die I'll be sad
hazy sphinx
Vial?
stuck shuttle
yeah Vial
ionic charm
I’m sure in my kill logs I feinted through at least 2
hazy sphinx
And are you specced into elusiveness
ionic charm
CD always baby
hazy sphinx
K just making sure
ionic charm
I still don’t think it’s even worth taking for M vectis
stuck shuttle
I see some people run elusiveness in M+
ionic charm
Leeching poison, that is
hazy sphinx
I know it is. But I don't die in that fight to mechanics, so I'm trying to see if I can just stay on one of the casters during donuts
ionic charm
You can, not sure how much elusiveness would even help, unless void bolt casts are going off (at which point you’re dead anyways), what damage is going out that isn’t aoe?
stuck shuttle
if you're doing the fight right, you shouldn't have to eat any donuts for adds
ionic charm
The 30% isn’t worth that muc
Ehhh depends on group dps, my guild ran into a point sometimes where 2nd set of adds could have the last add overlap with circles. But even then you’re probably better off just dodging
Feint is nice to have when you mess up
@hazy sphinx found it in my logs, it did 80k with feint up. Not too big of a deal to take if you vial too
hollow stone
Solar beam is op for dance/adds phase, which i think is 2nd set of adds
They just stand there like dumbs
cosmic forge
if (for whatever reason) you have no SS traits. During raids, i assume its worth swapping out subterfuge? anyone in this situation able to place a recommend an alternative?
hollow stone
Sim yo self. But master assassin should outperform subt without ss
cosmic forge
thank you 😃
ruby pelican
Looking for some advice—370 Archive or 340 SS for mythic+ high-ish keys (9+)? Other 2 traits are 340 SS, 370 SS
hollow stone
If you have other ss, i recommend that 370 arc over a 340 ss
Based on my feelycraft testing (did a lot of keys), i was in a very similar trait/ilvl to you and archive runs were more dmg
prime void
@stuck shuttle you're benched
ruby pelican
Hmm thanks I’ll try that out tonight
hollow stone
Sorry that i dont have actual data for you
ionic charm
My 6t 40s sims say SS 340 is better by .5% but that’s with vanish so..
smoky topaz
hey there is Darkmoon Deck: Fathoms worth to buy?
wheat zealot
Sim it and see
hollow stone
And then you factor in boss dps too and archive should be better
strange python
370 archive is way better than 340ss
glass vessel
unless you have multiple 380+ strong trinekts, fathoms is most definitely worth it
ionic charm
@smoky topaz chances are it will be an upgrade, however that might be small, and “worth” is relative
hollow stone
Sim fo sho for fathoms but it is likely a good buy. Ive been using mine since week 1
ionic charm
Depends how rich you are
glass vessel
on my servers its like 60k. can farm that in an hour easily. its not expensive
ionic charm
Im poor and it’s a .4% upgrade for me at this point, I haven’t bought it even though I can now
strange python
@ruby pelican Im running exactly the same setup: 370Archive + 340SS +370SS
Way better than 340SSx2 +370SS
small island
when do u guys use first vanish when not playing the SS build? guide says to use it when garrote is about to run out but wouldnt it be better to save it for the next TB?
hollow stone
Tb/ma?
hollow stone
Ideally, you want to van w tb buff up and 5cp so you can env m env (if lucky w the m crit) or env m m
strange python
or Garrote > mut > rup > ven > van > tb
hollow stone
Opener is s bit diff, like michee is saying
strange python
I dont think u want to get 4cp before first vanish though
In the normal rotation sure
ionic charm
The fact that Vanish env mut env (with no Tb up)is how the apl uses secondary vanishes completely baffles me
I don’t get how that beats a subterfuge empowered garrote
hollow stone
Agreed. Opener is different based on the apl, i do my own slight variation on the apl opener but thats personal preference and suboptimal if executed perfectly
ionic charm
Yeah for like 7 seconds. But the thing I was more curious about is that they vanish with no cp and mut first
uncut mango
What is today’s emissary reward on NA?
strange python
ionic charm
Wait what
ionic charm
Lol what the actual fuck is that
Is that using MA? Or is that subterfuge without ss traits?
cerulean magnet
Guys, outside of opener, what do you use vanish for?
ionic charm
Lol you’ve got to be kidding
cerulean magnet
I have both 1 ss or archive trait ( m+ or raid )
strange python
APL is weird sometimes
Look up top parses on wowlogs
See what those people are doing
ionic charm
@strange python when you say t22 you mean the simc generic sims? Because looking at that it shows 2 archive and 1 twist the knife
fast scroll
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
cerulean magnet
Btw, anyone else noticed that assas ravenholdt guide has 2 " master assassin talented " opener sections, but they are different 😒
ionic charm
@hollow stone apparently t22 apl for MA shows 2nd and 3rd vanish with 4 cp, env mut mut
That’s new
steel nexus
does heed my call scale from toxic blade since it's nature damage? like the tooltip and the debuff are saying 2 different things unless i'm missing something
tooltip says "nature damage you deal" then debuff says "increased damage from poisons"
ionic charm
Not like you can control the procs so it shouldn’t matter too much, right?
Or just curious?
sinful lotus
Sorry if this has been asked multiple times, but what is the clear opener for MA and TB (with noSS). Gar, Mut, Rup, Vendetta? Vanish - (TB, Mut, Env) all in MA window?
steel nexus
of course i know that i'm just curious. it would also affect envenom if it were just poisons too, which i can control
round harbor
got unlucky with the mut inside the crit window, but yeah
sinful lotus
So you pop TB outside of the Mut window? Were you able to fit 2 Env in the MA window there?
crimson sedge
in logs how can i see how many CP were spent for an ability
sinful lotus
MA* window
ionic charm
@steel nexus Tb affects envenom damage, yes.
round harbor
if i crit, i can fit 2 evenoms inside the vanish window
deep oasis
Noob / Alt assassin here. I just got a GC. Where are folks fitting in the use on the opener? After opener on CD ? (TB, 1 SS, shitty dagz :P )
round harbor
on that log i didnt crit
steel nexus
so it would seem the debuff is wrong
acoustic cave
what do you guys think about hidden blades?
sinful lotus
Reasons for TB'ing before Vanish/MA window?
round harbor
to hjavge the buff in the weindow for 2 buffed enveoms
it works really well, if your mut inside the Ma window crits
ionic charm
@steel nexus envenom does poison damage. Poison damage is nature damage but not all nature damage is poison damage. TB buffs envenom, DP, Pbomb, double dose. Idk about the rest
inner pulsar
Oh hai guys
sinful lotus
Ok cool thank you @round harbor
crimson sedge
in logs how can i see how many CP were spent for an ability
verbal nimbus
oh heyyyyyyyy
ionic charm
@steel nexus I’m going to revise that statement and say it does all nature damage. Guessing it affects heed, since the actual spell applies an aura increasing nature school damage taken
round harbor
crimson sedge
ty
steel nexus
i'm gonna send in a ticket to see if the debuff can get reworded and see what they say
crimson sedge
wow
ionic charm
@steel nexus it goes even deeper my dude. Heed says it does nature damage but the school of the spell is physical. Who even knows how that affects it
strong sundial
How to use gcb in raid with TB?? 😃
ionic charm
On cd
strong sundial
Always??
ionic charm
As far as the sim apl says
inner pulsar
Barring a situation where you know you are about to have to move
Don't pop it during Zek'vos Donuts
I slap it down around the time I Vendetta
stuck shuttle
if you pop it on Opener, GCB shoulder be up after donuts end
hazy pebble
are lasers and titans any good in m+s
inner pulsar
@stuck shuttle Just an example
ionic charm
Don’t use laser in m+
inner pulsar
As to a time you would not want to use it
ionic charm
It’s dumb af
strong sundial
Ill try, thx guys
inner pulsar
I mean, it doesn't matter, if your tank is like mine, he will arbitrarily re-position the boss right after
ionic charm
Laser matrix proccing off of sap is the dumbest thing in the world
inner pulsar
Or, you'll pop it, and someone will come try and stand on you, like they are going to benefit from it
lilac lily
pretty sure other people dont see the rune from GCB on the ground
royal lantern
you dont see 90%of all trinket effects in groups
inner pulsar
Well then my DH must just really like me
stuck shuttle
he wants to Eyebeam you
inner pulsar
Because dude loves to come and hug me when I pop it
steel nexus
i was being told earlier that laser was hotfixed for m+ to not pull additional mobs, but i had someone fuck my 10 key the other day with laser. whats the case with thata?
that*
ionic charm
2 nights ago my friend had it proc on sap. When was it supposed to have been fixed?
inner pulsar
I didn't see anything about LM being fixed, I saw something about Fathoms not proccing on non-combat abilities anymore
steel nexus
ok so the dude was bullshitting
inner pulsar
Well I didn't say that
steel nexus
ill say it for you dont worry
warm geode
@steel nexus as far ik, laser only atack enemys on combat, some times sap can activate combat, and some adds, like toldagor before second boss, r already in combat, so matrix can target
steel nexus
im reading posts about this being a problem for people as of 3 days ago, and ive read every hotfix since like 2 weeks ago. so
indigo verge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f86zv6448WuJjL1EBvHN9G can anyone reccomend me items i should grind m+ for or what i should save rerolls for on HC and early mythic bosses
warm geode
trinket from shrine, pray for SS azerites, m+ u should be playing bleed
inner pulsar
@indigo verge I'm not sure if you are joking, but I guess your belt could be better?
ionic charm
M Mother for dagger on coin since your best is 375
hybrid chasm
look on your own into the loottable and on bloodmallet/herodamage for trinkets?
warm geode
holping for mother mythic dagger til today -.-'' other rogue already have 2 385+
inner pulsar
And yeah, Mother for dagger
ionic charm
Is 370 archive better than 385 swirling sands? Might be able to coin the archive helm too @indigo verge
warm geode
for m+? i would say no
lilac lily
Other rogue from my guild got 375 mace from mother, 370 fist from Ghuun, 370 dagger from mother and 385 dagger from mother
I got zero weapons so far
bronze widget
What do you guys think about Double Dose over Shrouded Suffocation?
inner pulsar
RNG life
warm geode
@lilac lily this is my world to
warm geode
last week got my first 370+ weapon, and i farm m+ alot -.-''
steel nexus
still waiting on my 370 weapons FeelsBadMan
inner pulsar
I'm still rocking a 355 offhand, but I don't do M+ nearly enough, because I hate people
steel nexus
ah, a fellow misanthrope
inner pulsar
@tropic heron Not allowed
warm geode
not even 2 370 i have https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a7teMGYANhkzZvi7k7X3C6
steel nexus
how much of a dps upgrade is it to go from 340 weapons to 370's? approx
warm geode
one mother dagger = +310 dps for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5EzcZ5sqqauJMqpkWNkFJt
is 20 ilvl
ionic charm
That’s not that much tbh, I thought it would be more
steel nexus
yeah same lol
sturdy python
Worth noting OH is not as much also
steel nexus
what if my rogue is ambidextrous
sturdy python
Basically a second wrist stat wise
ionic charm
I thought he was talking Mh upgrade since he doesn’t have a 370 yet
warm geode
15ilvl on offhand for me is 100 dps
inner pulsar
@tropic heron Lol buddy that was just a joke from earlier when I got muted
stuck shuttle
Replacing my 360 with a 385 OH gave me ~100 dps
ionic charm
My 365 socketed oh beats 380 unsocketed
pulsar bluff
i dont understand, i have 3 370 archives ( 5 stack), 1 370 matrix, 1 385 double dose, why do it sim me 2 archives and 1 DD ? And not 1 Archive, 1 matrix, 1 DD ?
pulsar bluff
ok but, 1 archive + 1 matrix, is not better than 2 archives ?
i mean, there is a drop on the 2 stack
inner pulsar
@stuck shuttle Well that makes me feel a bit better
devout shell
hey fellas been a long time mage and made the jump over to an assassination char (always wanted one) - I have read a lot of guides and it seems a lot contradict itself but while I am just PvE'ing solo - WQ's and Quests what is the basic rotation I should be doing?
stuck shuttle
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
stuck shuttle
follow the rotation there
sturdy python
If one archive is better than one matrix why would it change
stuck shuttle
I would use TB for leveling
inner pulsar
@pulsar bluff No, I am telling you, and so is the sim, 2 x Archive is better than one of each
warm geode
the high dps gain on the graph is because of the raid buff, and only activete at first raid piece ( archive or lm ) so, next one is low, best setup r 1Archive and 2 DD or 1 Archive and 2 SS @pulsar bluff
stuck shuttle
i think he's looking at Herodamage
pulsar bluff
so bloodmalet is lying ? If i add the valor of 1 stack of each, its better
stuck shuttle
and sees LM at the top
buff only applies once @pulsar bluff
either 1x LM or 1x Archive
inner pulsar
Well, careful, there are two buffs in play there
inner pulsar
No, but you do get double the stat on the Archive buff
warm geode
@pulsar bluff is not lying, could be missleading, but if u know what the things do, prob u could tell why the first piece of LM and Archive gives alot dps
sturdy python
And bloodmallet/herodamage use a generic, high ilvl, build for Sims. It could change for your character
inner pulsar
The stat gain from Archive, outside of Reorg array, is just strong
clever wagon
My guild and I were doing Heroic Zul last night, and MULTIPLE times I used toxic blade/another ability, it spent the energy/put it in cooldown, but the ability didn’t actually do damage/apply toxic blade
Anyone have this problem?
Or is it just server lag
steel nexus
parry?
inner pulsar
Did you target switch?
clever wagon
I’m like 99% sure
warm geode
btw i think the first breakpoint for haste is 30%=2k haste, now my best stats r mastery,crit and agi
clever wagon
I was behind him
steel nexus
but that 1% is creeping up on you now huh?
inner pulsar
Because it applies it to the target, not to you, so if you stab him and tab target to the crusher, it will look like it didn't aplly
steel nexus
parry is the only thing that makes sense from what you said
inner pulsar
I mean, I don't know why you would do that
steel nexus
unless its what the other guy is talking about
stuck shuttle
@prime void ❤
warm geode
bleed? ST? raid?
glass vessel
for me haste AND crit are worth more than agil atm x) weird
warm geode
for me is mastery cuz i have 2100 haste for ST inside raid
strange python
ST; TB/PB
warm geode
back to legion xD
strange python
yeah.
calm grail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w1KtZ61TSV98B2dd1u7Xfu
For me crit is now below Mastery and Agi and Haste for ST
strange python
wtf
ionic charm
Yeah seems about right
warm geode
@calm grail dat shoulder
calm grail
Also a 385 DD
inner pulsar
TB MA is the new master race
hollow cloud
calm grail
Slap on a Mythic Vectis hood and I'm a happy man.
strange python
Nice daggers btw
ionic charm
I wouldn’t play MA if you’re susceptible to feelycraft, it feels horrible but does well
warm geode
im not aiming for the best simc build, i just think bleed is better for this raid, with thoses traits, for now, will stick with bleed, even my tb build simc 100 more
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5EzcZ5sqqauJMqpkWNkFJt
strange python
MA as in Master Assassin?
ionic charm
Yes
warm geode
yes
calm grail
MA does fine for me, just follow the APL regarding vanish use and the opener.
stuck shuttle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/28Q5PNAN2Lj8RyeowtneBc need the Vectis hood too , and i'll be happy.
inner pulsar
Yeah, obviously in the realm of opinion here, but MA seems completely normal to me
ionic charm
Which apparently the apl switched from using 2nd and 3rd vanish as mut env mut to env mut mut
calm grail
All apples and oranges based on what you're running.
If I had some really juicy shrouded Suffocation traits I would go back to exsanguinate and subterfuge.
warm geode
@ionic charm depends on the amount of cp the u have before vanish probably
strange python
yeah, i dont have any SS either. Im archived out with one Double Dose
ionic charm
@warm geode apl is pooling but Idk about what an actual human would do
warm geode
i just want one SS head or shoulder, and im done
calm grail
It's probably a result of gear, but I don't find myself pooling that much.
warm geode
@ionic charm cant tell, i dont play poison build dat much
calm grail
I usually just have the appropriate energy
ionic charm
Apl pools for like 6-8s in between every Tb, it’s absurd
warm geode
well, i pool to almost full energy and 3cp before tb
ionic charm
I get why, but that being ideal... god damn that sucks
inner pulsar
Haha
strange python
sitting there with your thumb up your ass
ionic charm
Exactly
ionic charm
We need Antorus tier DP crit energy regen back
strange python
Whos ready for this new outer ring of azerite traits? You guys see the one for vandetta?
inner pulsar
Vandetta? Is that where you hit them with your vehicle? 😛
I honestly haven't looked at them
strange python
English not my first language, that would be good
warm geode
@ionic charm when i swap to sin at bfa, with 5% haste, i was so bored, no energy, now im good, not like antorus tier, but is more fast passe
inner pulsar
It was a corny joke, no offense intended
inner pulsar
Fair enough
warm geode
i didnt like the vendetta one
calm grail
Seems good for PVP. Boring everywhere else.
warm geode
make one like this: vendetta now dont give energy to the user and dont apply a debuff to the target, now the user gain a 30% damage increse for the duration
would be nice
inner pulsar
I almost don't want to look, they will probably change all of them
inner pulsar
@velvet kernel After TB
inner pulsar
@strange python Just for you
@velvet kernel Yes? I mean, you use it after TB in your opener
warm geode
every class i played can use his most ofensive cd for AoE or ST, only sin can use only for ST
lame
calm grail
The APL has you vanishing into TB
stuck shuttle
but thats why sin is boss damage king
calm grail
Vanish TB Muti Envenom
inner pulsar
@strange python So, is that an extra 50 energy on top of the 60 that Vendetta already gives
vestal wren
sin would be quite busted if you allowed vendetta to applay to all targets
warm geode
about what we do already
ornate prawn
hello guys i have a question in my head for several days i was wondering if 2x archive of titans is any good or if its better to replace one with a ss or dd or smth , cant sim it my self cuz i dont have 2 of those
inner pulsar
@calm grail Yes, but it was tested yesterday, TB > Vanish is superior by 33 sim dps
vestal wren
its already extremely good in multi-target situations
strange python
maybe 50 instantly then the 60 over three seconds
calm grail
So how do you open then? Garrote mutilate rupture x x x?
strange python
which isnt like. Groundbreaking like Kingsbane was
hollow stone
Yea. You cant have vend as a player buff instead of a target debuff and keep it the same. There's a reason its 30% on a 2m cd; its called balance
strange python
but its still better than this
warm geode
@ornate prawn the answer is sim, sry, u can get the strings to tryout at wowhead, but the most optimal gear, now, with same ilvl r, 1 archive and 2 SS(bleed) and 1 archive and 2 DD(poison)
hollow stone
Look at other big cds to see the % they get vs their cd
inner pulsar
G > Mut > Rup > Mut to 4 > Vend > TB > Van > Env > Pray for 4CP Mut > Env
stuck shuttle
G M R Vendetta Mut to 4, TB, Vanish, Envenom Mut Envenom is what I do @calm grail
inner pulsar
So yea, Vend placement matters ver little
Ultimately, the point is 33 sim dps is nothing
hollow stone
Awe. So cute. You guys said the same thing AND are right (even if the apl says otherwise)
warm geode
@stuck shuttle if mutilate dont give 4 cp, mutilate again?
calm grail
So the way I have been doing it is 👌
inner pulsar
So it doesn't matter, don't train new muscle memory if you dont want to
inner pulsar
Yea
ornate prawn
@warm geode my question was what is the best gear possible u just answered, thx mate
ionic charm
With my crit I get 80 with MA and 86 if blightborne procs instantly lol
hazy sphinx
That was such a nice heated discussion.
I even had a short dream about it.
When we took down Cargo.
warm geode
@ornate prawn this is for ST inside raid, for m+ i would say 3 SS 385
inner pulsar
@hazy sphinx Ha
calm grail
With all my stuff up Envenom hits for like 55k
hollow stone
With 25% base crit, its like 90% chance that you get 3cp and 56% that you get 4cp during mut in ma
ornate prawn
@warm geode yeah obviously m+ is 3 ss but good luck finding 3 ss 385 lol
inner pulsar
@calm grail Yeah, and thats why I like fishing for 2 in the Vanish window
Or, I guess the MA window
calm grail
I noticed that when you open with toxic blade out of stealth you have to go real fast to fit that envenom in there
inner pulsar
Start living the TB > Vanish life bruh
hazy sphinx
Welcome to the life.
hollow stone
You shouldnt open w tb
hazy sphinx
This was simmed.
hollow stone
Idk how to maths 75% mh crit OR 75% oh crit. Both is .75 x .75 which is about .56
So i just estimated 90% for 3+
velvet kernel
So for the ma opener
velvet kernel
i garote rupture vendetta
warm geode
😃
hollow stone
So 94% to get 3cp+
velvet kernel
then vanish and then what?
inner pulsar
@velvet kernel That isn't what either of us said
hazy sphinx
Just run away
hollow stone
Which is definitely good enough for me
warm geode
@velvet kernel garrote,mutilate,rupture,vendetta,mutilate,tb,vanish,envenon,mutilate,envenon, from what ppl r saying now
velvet kernel
@warm geode
inner pulsar
G > Mut > Rup > Mut to 4 > Vend > TB > Van > Env > Pray for 4CP Mut > Env
velvet kernel
ty
hazy sphinx
I vanish and run. No time to fight those who can't see you.
inner pulsar
I just /lay and die
warm geode
@hazy sphinx good strat
inner pulsar
Damage is shit, but my DPS is through the ROOF
ionic charm
@hollow stone break out the Poisson distribution calculator
hollow stone
/sleep + right click spam on soul well for max prepull dps prep
warm geode
i just hope they do something to blindside
hollow stone
Get yo wiggle on
warm geode
would be nice to have execute for progression
hollow stone
Yeah. I want it to be good so badly
ionic charm
I still think the best idea is to swap places with MA. But they’ll never do that
hollow stone
Esp with the potential synergy of blindside and archive stacks
ornate mantle
guys i did sim exanguinate agaisnt toxic blade and it gives 0.3 more damage , but im pretty sure its on single target , would it give me more dps on aoe if i count that i can do it with a few ruptures?
hazy sphinx
Today, I'm going to get 99 parses and 90+ on right isde.
On EVERY SINGLE BOSS ON HEROIC
warm geode
good lucky trying to get zekvoz buff with all raid
outer depot
dumb question sorry - can sin use a non-dagger offhand like outlaw can? i only have one 370 dagger rn
hollow stone
Xsang is better on aoe
hazy sphinx
I'll tell me buddies I need to parse.
hollow stone
Tb has no aoe use imo
ornate mantle
ok thanks @hollow stone
warm geode
@outer depot is a huge dps loss
ornate mantle
i guess ill run exanguinate on myth +
visual token
Get buff, get killed, brez, get buff.
hazy sphinx
The adds are worthless in heroic. They die before I can eve drop off a damn fok
Thats what im doing
hollow stone
Xsang is like a mini adrenaline rush so more foks and more cts
visual token
Nice lol
warm geode
@outer depot from what i remember 30ilvl diference for sin and sub using sword
for outlaw is the same thing, 0ilvl diference
on offhand
outer depot
mainhand would be dagger, but offhand is a giant dps loss if its a non-dagger 1h?
warm geode
yeah
hazy sphinx
cant even use muti
hollow stone
Sin has to use 2 daggers
warm geode
340 dagger = 370 sword on offhand for sin and sub
hollow stone
Outlaw can oh dagger, sub can oh nondagger. Sin cannot
outer depot
well bummer, back to spamming bonus coins on every dagger dropper in sight and getting nothing then 😦 thanks guys
hazy sphinx
I reached 1k IO. And with that crowning achievement, I got my second 370 dagger.
hollow stone
Unless you are genning with fok only
warm geode
or just sub, since @hollow stone remember, sin only works with 2 daggers
ionic charm
Sub needs 1 dagger. Sin needs 2 daggers. Outlaw needs 1 sword/mace thing
hazy sphinx
And today, I'm going to get 2 DAGGERS FROM MYTHIC MOTHER
outer depot
lol im 997 raider io with sin specced for every +10 or higher ive done in 2 weeks
still dont have a second dagger
game sucks
hazy sphinx
It took a while.
hollow stone
Daggers are the bane of my existence. We have 4 m mother kills and 3 rogues. No daggers
Whomp whomp
Thats... 24 rolls lol
inner pulsar
@hollow stone And you said you didn't maths....
warm geode
we have 4 daggers in 3 mythic mother for 3 rogues, i dont have any
hollow stone
Maths expert here now
warm geode
counting bonus roll
hazy sphinx
i rerolled um
outer depot
i got zul dagger yesterday finally