assassination

[jaunty arrow]

Yeah 😂

[ornate mantle]

i thought that was cheap dude

cause i did it on a low piece

[jaunty arrow]

I call that skill

[ornate mantle]

and was 5 gold

wtf is that price

are we even hoomans

[pearl meteor]

It doubles every time u do it

Starts at 5 gold

[ornate mantle]

wtf is that sense

[pearl meteor]

🙃

[royal lantern]

385 shoulders with fan of blades and tradewinds, RiP me once again

[jaunty arrow]

Cg

[pearl meteor]

Tradewinds pog for M zul

Lmao

[wheat zealot]

Zul haha

[jaunty arrow]

U got blizzarded

[ornate mantle]

its like , we give you the chance to respec but not too much

[humble igloo]

it's ok I'll have it back at 5 gold in 51 days

[jaunty arrow]

I cant wait for my chest versa smth item

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[ornate mantle]

wait how?

[humble igloo]

It halves every 3 days

[ornate mantle]

you have to wait 51 days for it to reset?

[pearl meteor]

It wont take 51 days

[ornate mantle]

oh it halves every 3 days

[pearl meteor]

It halves in 3 days then everyday after u dont reforge no?

[humble igloo]

hm

idk 😮

[pearl meteor]

P sure its every day after 3 as well

[jaunty arrow]

In the end gl with reforge 😂

[pearl meteor]

Yea...

[ornate mantle]

but at the end its shit anyway , cuz you might wanna reforge for raid / myth

isnt it

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

I reforge 6 times a reclear

[jaunty arrow]

I guess no one thinking u do like 50 reforges in one day

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[vestal wren]

nice

[wheat zealot]

18k monkaMega

[pearl meteor]

Simming 18k cuz he spent 300k on reforge

[jaunty arrow]

Worth

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

why do you reforge 6x on a re-clear lol

[pearl meteor]

We’re progging on ghuun n im still only 374 clap

Gotta go sub n back to sin etc

Zul fetid

I guess ive lowered it now to 4 times

[edgy latch]

cba reforging for zul now

only did it for progress

[pearl meteor]

Mhm gonna jus go no traits lol

Cept archive

[jaunty arrow]

Do it without azerite with fish mace like a true man

[pearl meteor]

Sounds like a plan

[jaunty arrow]

Bealive me its work i have Ing title

[humble igloo]

@royal lantern can't help myself

[pearl meteor]

Lol

Ima play outlaw and kill all the warriors so subs cant cheese 🤔

[wheat zealot]

Cleaving away their dreams of a r1

Lul

[pearl meteor]

Yup

1 slash at a time

[hearty yew]

hey guys

[pearl meteor]

Hey

[hearty yew]

do i pool energy before envenom?

[pearl meteor]

Uhhh technically lmao

[jaunty arrow]

Thats real question

I do not know if i do that 😂

[hearty yew]

i mean it kinda makes sense to do that

but idk if its really worth the focus

[glacial steppe]

any tips how to play the second boss in motherlode as rogue?

always gettin chased by 3+ adds

at pull

[jaunty arrow]

Try to not die on boring fight

[pearl meteor]

Its minimal @hearty yew but tech want mut mut env in ep window

[jaunty arrow]

Just run around

[karmic ingot]

If you look at SimC time spent on stuff, it spends like 80 seconds waiting and 4 seconds pooling. Basically, the APL doesn’t really bother with pooling, but it spends energy as it becomes available.

[pearl meteor]

Yikers open

[wheat zealot]

If your assassination, its pretty easy with crip and all

[pearl meteor]

And evasion

Ezclap

Tbh idek if that works

[royal lantern]

3adds is just bad luck and you run, nothing more too do

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[glacial steppe]

@wheat zealot well their attack range is huge af

[wheat zealot]

Pretty sure it does, they are stunnable too

[glacial steppe]

cant really get in FoK range

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[hearty yew]

so i never pull?

pool*

[jaunty arrow]

But that boss is worst than rezan

[wheat zealot]

Pooling before tb doesnt hurt

[jaunty arrow]

6 ads and lul

[sturdy python]

Those adds are super slow, just run away. And yes evasion and riposte work

[warm sable]

What do u mean he reforge??? @pearl meteor

[sharp blade]

Guys, do I need to synchronize the exsang with GB?

[shadow gull]

@hearty yew I pool mostly not to overlap elaborate planning, and doing so allows me usually to fit the 2 mutilates after an envenom

[hearty yew]

i need to cast 2 mutilates after envenom?

[karmic ingot]

@sharp blade it’s a DPS loss to hold exsanguinate for GCB.

[sharp blade]

ty man

[sturdy python]

After a finisher you should try and get mut mut envenom inside that EP window

[pearl meteor]

@warm sable wym?

[hearty yew]

what about rupture after a finisher

[sturdy python]

Doesn't matter for rupture, just keep high uptime on it

But after that rupture you should attempt to mut mut envenom, of course this depends on where your energy is

[warm sable]

@pearl meteor about Nemco gear ...

[pearl meteor]

Oh it was a meme

Lol

[warm sable]

Ou hahaha

[strange python]

holy fuck

[pearl meteor]

@humble igloo what r ur stats outside of raid

[strange python]

ive got azerite gear from weekly

again

2nd week in a row

what are the chances

[pearl meteor]

Grats

[strange python]

guess i deserve it

after getting the same 380 belt first 3 weeks

👀

[pearl meteor]

Actually same one all 3?

[strange python]

yeah

[pearl meteor]

Thats funny af

Lol

[strange python]

2nd azerite in a row

2nd dagger in the back

🤔

[pearl meteor]

By the 3rd i wlda flipped out

[wheat zealot]

Wouldve threatened to unsub lul

[pearl meteor]

^ thats how u get azerite in cache

[wheat zealot]

[pearl meteor]

Try it thank me later 😃

Lmao

And if it doesnt work i said nothing

[strange python]

uh gotta sim

not sure if having 2nd dagger in the back instead of 370 archive is worth

[last cedar]

@EGii#2324

[strange python]

yup

not as great as i thought

[pearl meteor]

Reorg is op

Need at least 1 for raid

[strange python]

https://i.gyazo.com/94c0b80e79bc75d5d5950b88f139d0c0.png

370 archive > 385 dagger in the back

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

If u dont have another archive piece

[strange python]

well fuck

[astral sundial]

hey people, I have a few questions for m+;

1. at what number of adds should I prioritize using CT over spreading ruptures (especially for the first combo spenders)?

[pearl meteor]

Opener with ss: g g g ct fok rup

3

[astral sundial]

2. on a relatively large pull (lets say 7 long living mobs), how many ruptures do I want to keep active?

[pearl meteor]

3-4

[astral sundial]

thanks mate

[pearl meteor]

Np gl

[astral sundial]

last thing - lets say all my bleeds are going and I have extra combo points, is it worth to cast envenom or CT? what would be the mob count breakpoint for it etc

[pearl meteor]

Ct spam better at 5-6

I believe

Might be 6-7

[wheat zealot]

I think 6+

[pearl meteor]

Ye prob 6

Safe bet

[astral sundial]

thanks, would have kept doing lot's of wrong stuff without you guys : )

[amber quail]

HELP lz

my trick of the trade macro doesn't work

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[amber quail]

also ability show message: "invalid tarrget"

anyone know some issue?

[pearl meteor]

Whats your macro

[amber quail]

#showtooltip
/stopcasting
/cast [@focus,exists][@mouseover,help][@pet,exists][@target] Tricks of the Trade

but also ability from spell book doesn't work

alway INVALID TARGET

[pearl meteor]

Using it on target on mount?

Idk

[amber quail]

2 days ago it work

by yesterday doesn't

nope

[shadow gull]

you tried it on multiple targets?

I had the same, the guy used the synapse thing to not be targetable by toys/extra stuff

[pearl meteor]

They have to b in ur party to tricks as well

[amber quail]

same party

my friend is tank

and tarrget my target

spell book ability doean't work same as the macro

that is the strangest thing XD

[shadow gull]

make sure he isn't trolling you with https://www.wowhead.com/item=109599/neural-silencer

[amber quail]

unabled all addons

[pearl meteor]

Ye idk lol

[amber quail]

XD

[wheat zealot]

My guild tank had one of those on last week, made me so mad lmao

[shadow gull]

same

debugged everything, before realising he was using it

[spice flicker]

how many mobs to spam fok instead of muti to get cp?

2>?

[pearl meteor]

3-4

[strange python]

4

[spice flicker]

oh, whats what the basic boss rotation on assa? i've seen like 3-4 different ones

still dont know which ones best

with 1 SS trait

[pearl meteor]

Keep up dots press cds

[strange python]

Read the guide

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

U talking opener?

[spice flicker]

i read the guide....it was made a while agoi

ago*

[dull compass]

Look on Ravenhold

[spice flicker]

i've seen a dozen other guides recent ones

and they have different ones

opener

ya

lol

[strange python]

no they dont

[spice flicker]

yes they do. lol i've seen at least 2 different ones

[fading spade]

does anyone know if Harlans Loaded Dice has been nerfed at some point? i feel like the proc rate is garbage compared to what it used to be

[wheat zealot]

There is different openers depending on traits and talents that is correct.

[dull compass]

Ravenhold differeantiates your traits and talents

[pearl meteor]

Ravenholdt is still correct

[wheat zealot]

^

[spice flicker]

oke

will listen to ravenhold then

[fading spade]

idk if it is bad luck or what but i didnt get my first proc until over 1m into Mythrax

[strange python]

And no again

Openers are still the same

rofl

[wheat zealot]

If you have ss opener changes, opener changes between ma and subter

Fym they are the same?

[bright shale]

Well I skimmed TB vs exs and they're are within 2dps of one another

[strange python]

I mean that they didnt change

[wheat zealot]

Ah

[strange python]

Like of course

Every build has different opener

But it didn't change

[spice flicker]

also got a question, I just got a galecallers boon 395 yesterday (lucky, I know) when and how should I use it? it feels like sometimes in burst I can get up to 31k (single target) sometimes is trash. should I have 50% energy when I use it or...?

[bright shale]

395.. jfc

[lone hamlet]

395

[pearl meteor]

Ven first then on cd then at 2:25 with cds if ur exsang

[lone hamlet]

...

[bright shale]

I havent even seen one in my life

[spice flicker]

lol

[wheat zealot]

[spice flicker]

i got lucky af

i know

[bright shale]

A god among men

[lone hamlet]

Omg

[spice flicker]

but I still dont know how to use it correctly

[bright shale]

I wish I had your problems

[wheat zealot]

Same

[spice flicker]

XDDDD

[pearl meteor]

Exsang or no

[spice flicker]

well I simmed myself

[bright shale]

Personal preference usually

[spice flicker]

and it says

PB is better

idk why

[pearl meteor]

U mean tb?

[spice flicker]

yeah

[bright shale]

Yes

[spice flicker]

oops

[pearl meteor]

Just use on cd

With tb /ven etc

[dull compass]

Ravenhold suggests CT on 2x or more Targets, should I really maintain Ct on 2-3 targets after putting rupture on them ? Idk if worthwhile from my experience

[strange python]

ye

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[dull compass]

Tyty

[spice flicker]

should I have a macro for it?

[pearl meteor]

Up to u

[spice flicker]

it seems that if i put it in the vendetta macro

[strange python]

macro for?

[spice flicker]

it makes it seems slow

vendetta and galecallers

[pearl meteor]

It has 1m cd

[strange python]

uh not really

[pearl meteor]

U have to use once in between

[strange python]

U can click both at the same time anyways

Trink is off GCD

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[spice flicker]

what about orc racial?

is that off gcd?

[pearl meteor]

Macro gc to tb over ven

Tbh

[strange python]

🤷

[pearl meteor]

If u want to macro it

[spice flicker]

thats what I though

seems smoother on tb

than on ven

[pearl meteor]

I mean they all line up

Anyways

[spice flicker]

how many secs left of garotte/ rupture do u guys usually refresh it?

no empowered ofc

4/5?

[pearl meteor]

5.4

For gar

7-8 for rup

Earlier if u have to bc of boss movement mech etc

[spice flicker]

oh, and lets say rup has 10 sec left and you have 4/5 cp. do u pool until it gets to 7/8? or do u use an env and muti till 5 to refresh it?

[pearl meteor]

Depends on your energy

High energy env

[spice flicker]

when is it a good time to pool?

before burst?

[pearl meteor]

B4 tb

To min max b4 env to get mut mut env in ep window

[spice flicker]

ooo, 1 more question that annoys me

lets say i have 0 cp

and tb just came up

do i use it on cd or do i muti muti and then tb?

[pearl meteor]

Press it imo but u can hold it if u wont lose a cast in the fight

I also dont play tb so cant give best advice there

[tame stratus]

standard m+ talents anyone?

[pearl meteor]

Exsang pb

😃

[dull compass]

Look at logs

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[wheat zealot]

M+ logs lul

[spice flicker]

i have 368ilvl and 16% any idea why sims still suggest tb is better than exsa? i only do sims on patchwork tho

[wheat zealot]

I use ep, vigor, iron wire ,exsan , ct

@tame stratus

[tame stratus]

thanks dude

[wheat zealot]

Np

[tame stratus]

basically not sure whether to go CT or bomb, heard people are going CT more now

[pearl meteor]

Do you have ss @spice flicker

[wheat zealot]

Only dungeon i would not reccomend it is Kings rest

[dull compass]

Yeah 🤷 m+ logs are a thing

[spice flicker]

I do anarchy. and 16% haste I meant

I have 1 ss

1 archive and 1 mutilate trait

[strange echo]

https://youtu.be/U8aPt_qLt08

Best guide out at the moment

[pearl meteor]

1 ss is close 2 ss spikes more (mut trait is why tb is better) also 16% haste is kinda low for exsang

[spice flicker]

thats what I thought

so I should stick with tb

for now

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[spice flicker]

oke, gotcha

[modern kindle]

isn't exsang generally better for m+?

[spice flicker]

gotta spam for some new rings and shit

with haste

[modern kindle]

or is that jsut based on gear

[pearl meteor]

For m+ ye

[modern kindle]

ah ok

mjeah i actually have exactly 1 more crit than haste atm 0.o

at a littel over 15% haste atm

[wheat zealot]

Exsan gives regen so even tho its not necesarily doing aoe it helps you aoe by feeding your fok spam

[pearl meteor]

And burst on prio targets

[modern kindle]

but i got a 395 crit/mast ring that seems to be slighty better than my others

[wheat zealot]

Ye

Doing 30k burst on prio is always nice haha

[pearl meteor]

Yee

Bye bye infested mob

[wheat zealot]

Yeah a 395 crit/mast would be great for m+

I wish i had one lmao

[modern kindle]

xD

still running around with 340 shoulders tho

[pearl meteor]

Got a 390 crit/mast from box

Ring

Not even better st than my 365 tho lol

[modern kindle]

and a 370 with scent of blood

[hybrid thicket]

Are the nerfs already up ?

[modern kindle]

when i'd much rather have SS

nerfs?

[wheat zealot]

I have the ring off mother 395 w/ socket, but i need a nice crit mast ring for m+

[pearl meteor]

Pvp nerfs? Yea

[sudden estuary]

Do people prefer Vigor or Deeper Stratagem for m+?

[pearl meteor]

Vigor

[wheat zealot]

Vigor

[hybrid thicket]

Fuck blizzard hard

[charred oar]

any arena hero's here

what kind of openers do we use

is it CS / Garrote / Kidney

[pearl meteor]

Mfd kidney

From stealth

Lmao

[charred oar]

xD

[pearl meteor]

Not kidding

[charred oar]

right

anyone else besides this clown that can help a brother out

😛

[solid nova]

You might find arena heros in #pvp

[charred oar]

mb

[pearl meteor]

Im 2500 🤷‍♀️

[solid nova]

But mfd kidney is right 🤷🏼

[pearl meteor]

Only time u dont is if u gotta stun other target on opener which means ur team is bad lmao

Targets*

[empty elbow]

lol

asks for help

[ancient tangle]

Is that maximum internal bleeding?

[empty elbow]

calls you a clown

yikes

[ancient tangle]

For*

[pearl meteor]

1600s running around with egos 🤷‍♀️

U want the longer stun diff

[empty elbow]

yeah whys that the opener, ive seen reckful do it a lot

just curious

[pearl meteor]

Cs is just a waste of dr

[spice surge]

^

[empty elbow]

so mfd kidney garrote

or

[pearl meteor]

Mire burst opening like this as well

More*

[empty elbow]

if youre going for burst

whats is it

what*

[pearl meteor]

Still same lmao

[empty elbow]

no like after that

[ancient tangle]

Double garrote rupture exsang after?

[pearl meteor]

Tb in arena

Always

[empty elbow]

i thought it was tb in arena

[ancient tangle]

Ah

[empty elbow]

for double envenom

[pearl meteor]

I mean ur opener after kidney depends

Where other target/targets are

[empty elbow]

true

[pearl meteor]

Cuz gar into cs on healer for mage to poly is p g

Gar on kidney target

That is

[empty elbow]

right

lots of damage

[pearl meteor]

Into rupt

Mut tb env if at 5

Etc

[ancient tangle]

When do you ven?

[pearl meteor]

Not on the opener

Like a min later

Lmao

30s

[ancient tangle]

To keep pressure up?

[pearl meteor]

Depends on ur team rly but ye u hope to just blow cds/trinkets in opener

[spice flicker]

yo dudes, gott another question. Im really confused with what trinkets I should use. so I have a harlans 370, a fathoms and the galecallers boon. I simmed it, it shows that I should be using fathoms and GB(patchwork) but should harlans just be strictly better?

[pearl meteor]

Then on next go use all

[spice flicker]

shouldnt*

[hollow stone]

It depends on comp for cds

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

Use fathoms and gc for most things xy

[spice flicker]

xy?

[pearl meteor]

U

[hollow stone]

Your name lol

[spice flicker]

oh lol

[visual token]

Lmao

[spice flicker]

isnt harlans better?

like its a 370

[pearl meteor]

In pure aoe sure

But no other wise

[visual token]

Ilvl doesn’t always indicate actual power

[spice flicker]

i mean even on bloodmallet it says that 370 harlans is more dps than fathoms

but I'll trust my friend here

anarchy

[pearl meteor]

Bloodmallet omegalul

[tame stratus]

on m+ ST bosses am i crimson tempesting ever?

[spice flicker]

cuz I've seen a lot of ppl using fathoms

is bloodmallet trash?

[pearl meteor]

No

Dont ct

Yes its trash

[visual token]

Never ct st

[tame stratus]

thanks

[pearl meteor]

Use herodamage xy

[spice flicker]

oke

will goggle it

thanks dude ❤

[pearl meteor]

Np gl

[fading spade]

is the topgear sim worth using on raidbots?

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[spice flicker]

why do we have to save vanish for vendetta on assa? whats the reason behind that?

[pearl meteor]

Ss subt

[austere scarab]

reapplying stealthed garrote

[slim olive]

Guild tried to take my 370 fetid chest last night 🤔

[spice flicker]

so I should be reapplying the empowered garotte while vendetta is up

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[spice flicker]

but the thing is the guide says to apply it after the first one finishes

and if I do that vendetta is done

by that time

[pearl meteor]

Yea

Its just for inc dmg gar

As long as possible

[devout moth]

what rogue spec is bnetter for this week pushing?

[pearl meteor]

Sin

[devout moth]

why is that tho

[pearl meteor]

Its better

:p

Rly depends on ur comp tho lmao

[desert vault]

generally sin is better on ST, well better than outlaw at least

[pearl meteor]

With ss its better in alot of pulls as well until u start doing massive pulls

[fading spade]

yeah this week trash isnt as big an issue as last week

bosses are the real bitch

[devout moth]

u guys

running CT?

or poison bomb this week?

[pearl meteor]

Pb

[desert vault]

I always run PB, lazy. I don't really do high keys anways, again, lazy 😃

[nova nest]

CT is so good for mobs tho :l increases overall speed of run imo

ST dmg is still good

[pearl meteor]

Depends rly

If ur comp is gonna blow up add packs instantly cuz not fort

No reason to have it

[faint harness]

bloodmallet isnt trash, its just sims, how can just sims be trash. You just cant trust it if you run subterfuge and SS atm.

[lone hamlet]

Is sub any good in compare to assa ?

[faint harness]

yes

at least on ST

[nova nest]

sub is fine but its too hard to play well for my pea brain

[faint harness]

its so dumbed down now tho

[pearl meteor]

Its good but lacks aoe or st based on route u go

[nova nest]

since when? yesterday

[faint harness]

since BFA

[pearl meteor]

Comparatively for pushing this week

[fading spade]

when simming outside of raid environment, what is the extra line of code to add to your simc input

[faint harness]

no more finality and DFA shenanigans

[fading spade]

to account for RA stacks

[nova nest]

nah its difficult for me . i feel like i do the right things but still pull way less dps

[fading spade]

my stat weights are all jacked rn

[echo hound]

But raidbots fails to count proper damage from SS+Subterfuge right?

just like bloodmallet

or no?

[faint harness]

not on ST

[nova nest]

and sometimes miss out of shadow blades etc

[faint harness]

that was just for the dungeon sims that herodamage does

[nova nest]

shadow strikes*

[faint harness]

for sub, all you need to make sure is that you do SS SS evis SS SS

[nova nest]

just need to play it more tbh

[faint harness]

inside dance

[nova nest]

yea

sometimes i dont pool enough energy

tbh ivee only triedit for like 2 dungeons

[faint harness]

its easier to play with the tripple shadow dance talent on ST

and energy in shadow dance talent

[nova nest]

yea thats what i run

[faint harness]

makes pooling whatever

[nova nest]

to make i easier

[pearl meteor]

Sub u need to fit dance windows into symbols

[faint harness]

yes

but all you really need to do is not use dance when you dont have symbols

[pearl meteor]

2 specifically

[faint harness]

thats basically it

[nova nest]

symbols gives energy too

[faint harness]

you get 2 dances per symbol

3 on opener

[nova nest]

well dance will cap if u always wait for symbols

[faint harness]

not really

[nova nest]

if u have the tlent that reduces dance cd?

[pearl meteor]

No

[midnight creek]

which trades should i go for as assassination?

[faint harness]

if you use 3 on opener that shouldnt happen

[pearl meteor]

Just dont let it cap either way

[faint harness]

yea, but it shouldnt even be an issue

[pearl meteor]

If u r bout to get 3 jus press it

[nova nest]

ill have to play the spec more

[faint harness]

ye

[nova nest]

what it boils down to

[jagged atlas]

doom's wake 370 or galecaller's boon 380 in M+ ?

[faint harness]

its really nice prio dmg burst on demand

sub that is

[blissful dove]

galecallers

[nova nest]

[faint harness]

galecallers :krey

give me that galecallers, thanks

[jagged atlas]

i'm not asking which one sims better

[nova nest]

😃

[blissful dove]

galecallers is great in m+ plays well, lines up well

just feels good

overall

[pearl meteor]

Galecallers is better in m+ out of the 2 if u can stay in it

If ur gonna b a monkey n run out of it dont use it

🙃

[faint harness]

use it when you know nutn aint happenin

[jagged atlas]

not necessarily being a monkey

but lots of shit to avoid in m+

[slim olive]

I have an issue with my galecallers lul

[faint harness]

"lots of shit"

[pearl meteor]

If u use it right b4 u needa move

Thats bring a monkey

[slim olive]

I also have a 370 dooms wake

[blissful dove]

you run enough m+ you know when and where you can find a window of opportunity

[slim olive]

2 on use trinkets

[blissful dove]

and there's plenty of windows of opportunity

[jaunty arrow]

Galec is cool until your tank troll u 😒

[pearl meteor]

If ur tank is dragging shit everywhere ur prob not gonna b pushing keys in the first place lmao

N if u r u needa have a talk xD

[jaunty arrow]

Nah he is ok, but sometimes he have gift from the god take smth away also with pb 😂

Like in the right time

But this id i hope we do some 15 in time finaly

[pearl meteor]

🤔

[hollow stone]

"My tank's okay, we're working on a timed 15"

Zz

[jaunty arrow]

😂

[hollow stone]

I have the best guardian druid (rank wise) for m+ and we still cant do anything higher than 12s

[pearl meteor]

🤔

[jaunty arrow]

I have dk

[hollow stone]

His dh's almost ready tho...

[pearl meteor]

Cuz he can’t live or

[jaunty arrow]

Dudu is weak now

[hollow stone]

No utility, he has trouble with dumb shit like resetting necrotic n such

Yea. Druid is not good atm

Unfortunately

[pearl meteor]

Ye ik

But shldnt still b fine in 12s

Shld*

[jaunty arrow]

Without necro yes

[hollow stone]

Yea. We have a meh comp too. But homies are homies naw mee

[acoustic cave]

hey guys I just wanted to ask I am playing mainly mythic + I have cehst from fetid heroic with SS and today I got a 385 Chest with Dagger in the back with power overhelming Sim says its 300 dps increase for both aoe and single but I am not sure what to go with

[bleak storm]

How can i check how many stacks of Reorigination Array i have

[frigid briar]

Ss is better in mythic+

[jaunty arrow]

We have dk me b dudu f mage and monk

[frigid briar]

Due to reset every pack

[pearl meteor]

For m+ go ss god

[hollow stone]

Ss has hidden value in m+. Id recommend using at least 1 ss still

[frigid briar]

One SS is mandatory

[jaunty arrow]

But is ss still buged?

[acoustic cave]

yea I tryed I lost like 1.2k garrote dmg

[pearl meteor]

Go in raid @bleak storm

Lmao

[hollow stone]

Afaik, only way to check is to zone into uldir

[acoustic cave]

per tick

[frigid briar]

No, SS bug fixed

[jaunty arrow]

Cool

[bleak storm]

@pearl meteor Lel kk

[pearl meteor]

Idk how else tbh lol

[bleak storm]

@frigid briar @hollow stone Which would you go for in m+. 2x SS + 1x Double Dose or x1 SS + 2x Double Dose?

[pearl meteor]

2 ss

100%

[slim olive]

^

[jaunty arrow]

2ss for m+

[frigid briar]

Depends itmlvl imo

[bleak storm]

i would lose 15 ilvl

if i go x2 ss

[pearl meteor]

Ss

[jaunty arrow]

15 is ok i guess

[frigid briar]

Probably 2 SS then for mythic+

[pearl meteor]

I wld use 340 ss over 385 dd

[hushed maple]

Hey guys...what are your crit% ? I have 32% Mastery, 16%Haste and 16%crit..the crit gets me triggered, tho

[jaunty arrow]

Thats too much

[pearl meteor]

And im doing 15/16s lol

[frigid briar]

As a first yeah, not sure as a second

[hollow stone]

Yeah, 2ss

[pearl meteor]

Dd wont get used unless ur tank pulls like a bitch tbh lol

Sure its nice for bosses but yikes the overall

[safe sequoia]

yall using CT or bomb this week?

[frigid briar]

I dont even touche doubledose tbh

[pearl meteor]

Bomb

[jaunty arrow]

Still u do more dmg to mobs

Worth

[frigid briar]

For raids or mythic+

[pearl meteor]

With ss yea

[hushed maple]

Should I use 1xSS and 2x DD for M+ or 2x DD and 1x Archive?

[hollow stone]

Dd is really only used for st cause you shouldnt be mutilating much, if at all, on trash which is like 70% or more of m+

[jaunty arrow]

U can use ct in shrine atc

[acoustic cave]

should I go with 1 x Achieve 2x SS or 3x SS?

[pearl meteor]

3x ss

[jaunty arrow]

U can go 3ss

[safe sequoia]

@pearl meteor do you ever not go bomb?

instances or affixes

[pearl meteor]

For high keys no, fort i go ct on high keys

[hollow stone]

If equal ilvl, 3ss. But id say if archive is 15+ ilvls, it is "probably" better for high keys

[pearl meteor]

Depends on conp too

[bleak storm]

How can I add Reorigination Array when simming?

[pearl meteor]

If our comp this week lacks aoe i wld

[hushed maple]

I hate ct....

[safe sequoia]

whats the CT opener with SS?

[pearl meteor]

G g g ct fok rup

[safe sequoia]

k

[pearl meteor]

For aoe

[hoary copper]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[hollow stone]

Learn to love ct. its glorious

[safe sequoia]

theres something with my ui that has issues with CT

[jaunty arrow]

Ct is goodh but in dungeons like underot ct is bad

[safe sequoia]

i get stutters

my weakauras are acting up

[pearl meteor]

Ct rly just depeneds on comp

[hushed maple]

Well its so shitty for me, bc I have 16% crit I end up doing 5 fok to get my 5 CPs

[slim olive]

Bois I have a dilemma, I have dooms wake and galecallers at 370 but sims are stilll saying fathoms is better over dooms (ST raid). What are your thoughts?

[quaint flare]

[hushed maple]

So I hate to use ct....

[frigid briar]

CT depends on how brave your tank is 😂

[pearl meteor]

Fathoms is better

[glass vessel]

@slim olive so use fathoms

[jaunty arrow]

Thats the point

[pearl meteor]

Than double on use

[slim olive]

rip 370 dooms wake T_T

[glass vessel]

dooms wake will probably be better than galecaller's in mythic since there's a lot of movement and you wont always get perfect usage out of gale

[pearl meteor]

No

[glass vessel]

but depends on the fight

[pearl meteor]

No

[frigid briar]

You can get perfect usage

[pearl meteor]

Just no

[jaunty arrow]

Gale is too op

[slim olive]

plus cant snapshot both trinkets since they have like a 15second cooldown

[safe sequoia]

snapshot??

[pearl meteor]

Exsang snapshots

[safe sequoia]

😳

[slim olive]

like if i was to go exang I cant use galecallers and dooms wake at the same time

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[safe sequoia]

didnt know that

[slim olive]

on use trinkets have a 15 second cooldown or something

[pearl meteor]

Exsang during lust ven and gc is big

[safe sequoia]

is it worth going exsang then?

[glass vessel]

are you running TB or exang

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

Sim

[jaunty arrow]

For exs u can run gale + dice

[pearl meteor]

No

Lmao

Unless ur dice is boosted

[slim olive]

Nah im using TB rn since its simming higher

[jaunty arrow]

We dont talk about ilvl

But yes

[frigid briar]

Dice is fuckin trash for me man

[oblique flax]

Hey! How does the trait [Battlefield Focus] work in pve? Does it increases dmg for every1 in the party? (until the stacks fall off)

[slim olive]

TB with fathoms and galecallers

[pearl meteor]

Dice is bad except in aoe

[safe sequoia]

@oblique flax yes but you get credited for it

[frigid briar]

I need plumage for mythic Ghuun tonight

[pearl meteor]

Or lucky occasions

What

[frigid briar]

Hoping I get it from cache

[glass vessel]

iw as stuck running 365 dice until i replaced it with an even more shit 385 taloc trinket w/ a socket

[pearl meteor]

Why plumage

Get gc

[buoyant flicker]

we refresh all dots before exsanguinate ye?

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[glass vessel]

the vers burst during ray is nuts

[frigid briar]

On use trinket. High itemlvl. Dps on demand. Ghuun M you basically only dps the first add in phase 2

[pearl meteor]

Galecallers

[frigid briar]

Then I want it for the bug burn phase

[pearl meteor]

Is better

[frigid briar]

I have it. I wont get it higher itmlvl

[pearl meteor]

Also u dont use cds as sin in burn phase

[frigid briar]

Im not that lucky

[pearl meteor]

Unless u want to lose casts

[slim olive]

Hmm?

[glass vessel]

dont use CD's as sin during ray on ghuuun wut

please elaborate

[frigid briar]

MythicGhuun damage means fuck all to p3 anyways

[pearl meteor]

Cd in first 50s, then first add 2:50 ish 4:50 is 3rd add, then during lust after last beam

[frigid briar]

Losing casts means nothing

[pearl meteor]

Lol

Exactly ur doing pointless dmg using in beams

If u use in beams u wont have up

[frigid briar]

I use on adds. Then Ill use last phase

[near vortex]

hey guys for raid what are the best azerite traits, just stack the raid traits?

[jaunty arrow]

Archives

[pearl meteor]

Ye i just typed out perfect timings for 2mins

For ghuun

3mins is b4 35, beam, lust

[glass vessel]

@slim olive have you simmed fathoms+doom and fathoms+galecallers?

[jaunty arrow]

U can get from raid 1 ss + 2 arch

[frigid briar]

Have you killed ghuun? Wanna private mail me your log?

[near vortex]

but isnt DD better than ss?

[pearl meteor]

Im on ghuun, but its not that hard to figure out looking at other timings o.o

[jaunty arrow]

U dont have dd from raid

[glass vessel]

depends on the fight and if you're running MA. DD is better ST with MA for sure

[dark crag]

Do you refresh bleeds before exsang regardless of remaining duration?

[jaunty arrow]

But u can be lucky from chest

[slim olive]

@glass vessel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/983QbDgiQ6zSXbGxg4JHc7

[ionic charm]

I’d rather have ~50% chance of losing one cast of vendetta than losing out on vendetta with 100% extra damage and lust

[frigid briar]

What % yous at anarchy?

[ionic charm]

Or are you talking specifically for mythic?

[pearl meteor]

Idk will kill this week

Mythic

Only

Idc bout heroic

[frigid briar]

You guys in last phase?

[glass vessel]

@slim olive yea with your setup dooms is definitely better.

[frigid briar]

We better kill it this week. We had a shit tier man

[pearl meteor]

Na not yet shld also be dead already tho

Every1 shit bed as well lol

[dark crag]

Do you refresh bleeds before exsang regardless of remaining duration?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[slim olive]

Since the chance that i will move out of it? galecallers that is @glass vessel

[frigid briar]

We bearly hit p3 last night. And people didnt soak so got mc ect

[dark crag]

Thanks

[pearl meteor]

Bleh thats gotta suck

What guild u in?

[hushed maple]

Damn I cant believe I am so unlucky with SS

[glass vessel]

@slim olive yea, only time galegallers is better is with exsang. if you're running TB doom will be much more consistent since you dont have to worrya bout perfect usage and losing uptime

[hushed maple]

I have one trait and ofc I get archive in the same piece slot

[frigid briar]

I think we will et p3 wipes tonight (unless we dont extend) then kill it thursday

We cycled alot of players already this tier

[pearl meteor]

Within a few times in p3 u shld get it tbh

[frigid briar]

Quitters, trials who failed ect

[slim olive]

I wish the doom and galecallers was actually good with exang

[frigid briar]

Been rough

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[slim olive]

that would be a nasty burn phase

[glass vessel]

fathoms just too stronk

[pearl meteor]

We had a bit leave coming in to this expan as well

[slim olive]

Yeah

I guess a higher ilvl galecallers may change things

[heavy plover]

hey guys, is meticulous scheming really that bad, cause i don't have a 2nd option it's the FoK trait?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

Feelsbadman

[heavy plover]

fuck, guess i'll just use the knives trait on m+

[glass vessel]

@heavy plover sounds like you got the legendary Pistoleer shoulders. pretty much stuckw ith meticulous

im in the same boat

[ionic charm]

Honestly just go PvP at that point, the game hates you for Pve @heavy plover

[slim olive]

I'll do some gear compares later @glass vessel see if I'll ever make it work lmao

[heavy plover]

welp i'm 295, so it was a pretty big upgrade for 385 shoulders, i'm not to sad 😄

[ruby pelican]

Thoughts on 370 archive vs 340 SS for m+ this week?

[heavy plover]

dinged last night got my guild to run me through a quick 10+

[glass vessel]

295 and you got 385 from chest lol awesome

yea huge upgrade regardless. but meticulous is so garbage. they might buff it soon

when tier 2 traits are outweighing tier 1 traits it's nobueno

[pearl meteor]

Omegalul blizzard actually trying ti balance traits?

[glass vessel]

i know im giving them too much credit

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

[heavy plover]

i guess i'll just use the FoK for m+, that one is avg right?

[glass vessel]

nah dont even fuck with fok trait

its horrible

jsut get SS traits for m+ they're everywhere in mythic dungeons and world quest gear

[pearl meteor]

Jus consider them an agi stat stick

[glass vessel]

since you're new you'll have tons of ways to get them

[hasty sparrow]

385 SS bois lets goooo

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

[hasty sparrow]

Chest blessed me, finally

[heavy plover]

so i just pick scheming even in m+?

[glass vessel]

yep until youg et 340+ SS shoulders

[heavy plover]

ok cheers

[glass vessel]

i have those same shoulders and the only thing better was SS 340+ in m+, 370 zul shoulders

[hushed maple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dtuJKwW5CHFrJvw6SKnGx1
I need some strong tipps.....My burnphase is 15k....I have a playtime of 14days on my rogue since WoD and I played him the most.....the azerite system is quite rough for me to understand

[pearl meteor]

Get good traits = do good dmg. Get bad traits = be sad rest of tier

🙃

[hushed maple]

I have seen one SS in my life...on shoulders....after 5 weeks of raiding I got my first NHC shoulder.......

So I have to sump SS for archive and boy that feels clunky af

[pearl meteor]

Ye lol

Feelsbadman

[hushed maple]

Well todays heroic raiding again....maybe I get past a 340dagger

[pearl meteor]

Imagine if gar jus gave 3 cp without trait

[glass vessel]

yea i have average traits at best and my DPS is low for my ilvl. feelsbad

[pearl meteor]

Mmmm

[glass vessel]

people with my ilvl simming 1k higher easily

[ionic charm]

I just got 385 DD shoulders and somehow they do worse in sims than Blightborne of same ilvl. Idk how traits work anymore

[glass vessel]

also no galecallers for exsang so TB for life

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[buoyant flicker]

do you hold exsang for galecallers if u have iut?

[pearl meteor]

No

Exsang on cd

Gc on cd

Line up on 4th exsang at 2:25 ish

With ven vanish

[hushed maple]

Is the array in Uldir account wide?

[pearl meteor]

No

[unkempt karma]

385 azerite from chest, trade winds and fan of blades... My first -.-

[hushed maple]

Meeeeh

[pearl meteor]

Tech can hold gc for 3rd exsang vas

[glass vessel]

tradewinds really isnt that bad

[pearl meteor]

Mmmm

Its p bad

[glass vessel]

not meticulous scheming bad x)

[pearl meteor]

But its pog for zul!!! Lmao

[glass vessel]

yea for zul you're gonna go nuts @unkempt karma

[unkempt karma]

I had 360 archives helmet, now I got this. My shoulders are still 340 ... and chest 370 with poison wire 😛 Did 5 kills on hc last week with 2 bonus rolls 0 drops
Azerite hates me xD

[pearl meteor]

🤔

[dark crag]

Azerite hates us all

I wonder how many days until the next azerite emissary

[pearl meteor]

False

@dark token is a boosted ape

[viscid pawn]

are u using exsanguinate off cooldown? or delay it for vendetta?

[pearl meteor]

In azerite department

Exsang off cd

Delay ven / vanish for exsang

4th one specifically

[oblique flax]

Hey could any pro simmer just pm me real quick i have some noobie questions ! 😄

[viscid pawn]

okay ty ill try it

[unkempt karma]

does archives reset every week?

[glass vessel]

it keeps stacking

[unkempt karma]

I changed helmet and lost the stacks

[glass vessel]

jsut gotta kill 3 different bosses in any difficulty every week to get the new stack

[pearl meteor]

Archive is a in combat stack

[ember coral]

So the opener with exs is : garote rapture(3cpt) garote, mutilate, rupture (5cpt) exs right ? But after bleeds are gone, I do garote mutilate rupture(3cpt) mutilate *2 rupture 5cpt or not ?

[glass vessel]

you have to be wearing an uldir trait for it to show up

[pearl meteor]

Reorg array is in raid

[glass vessel]

ohhh

[pearl meteor]

But u have to have a raid trait

For it to be active

[glass vessel]

sounded like he was talking about the weekly buff

[unkempt karma]

The arreys activate when in uldir I assume then?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[unkempt karma]

The normal one gets from attacking, while in uldir it stacks

[pearl meteor]

With a raid trait on

[unkempt karma]

Raid trait as archives

[pearl meteor]

That stacks in combat yea

[oblique flax]

Is hecticAddCleave a good way to sim dps in m+?

[pearl meteor]

Nop

[hollow minnow]

@ember coral it depends if you have any SS trait

[glass vessel]

the weekly one does not reset, it just keeps stacking every week that you kill 3+ uldir bosses and it never goes away, but it's only active in uldir while wearing an uldir trait

@unkempt karma

[pearl meteor]

Patchwerk 6+ targets

[unkempt karma]

@glass vessel Danke mate!

[oblique flax]

What option do u guys use? (instead of the HectidaddCleave option when u sim) 😄

[novel island]

Ended having 3 overwhelming traits yesterday. They sim pretty well.

[glass vessel]

for m+ just do what Anarchy said

[oblique flax]

Aight thanks!

[glass vessel]

that's as close as you get. 6+ targets, 20-40 seconds depending on how high of keys you're doing

[ember coral]

I do have one @hollow minnow

[oblique flax]

so basically "fight style is patchwerk" and number of bosses is 6 ?

[glass vessel]

yes

duration 20-40 seconds depending on difficuly of keys. if you're doing lower keys 20 seconds is probably more accurate

[hollow minnow]

@ember coral ga, rup, ga, vend, mut, rup, exsang

[ember coral]

Yeah

And after bleed fade cuz of exs?

[oblique flax]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dPz71eW5St2XHhX12xDWm6

Does that seem right?

[pearl meteor]

Vanish gar env gar mut rup

When they r fading

[hollow minnow]

Then vanish when gar dot is gone

With X2 garotte

[ember coral]

And rupture after double garote right

[pearl meteor]

Just keep it up dont let it drop

Use it right as exsang one fades

[glass vessel]

i forgot - if you have galecallers you just use exsang every 1min with galecallers and also gale+ven combo right? or has it changed here you just use exsang on CD?

[ember coral]

Even with exs ? I should not let them drop right after exs ?

[hollow minnow]

Yeah if rupt fades

[pearl meteor]

No

Niko

[elder trench]

what is best for m+, 370 spy eye glass or 370 plumage?

[glass vessel]

i dont have a galecallers so i can't even remember. shrine hates me

[pearl meteor]

Exsang on cd

[elder trench]

dead-eye spyglass*

[pearl meteor]

Line it all up with exsang

[late shore]

Got 370 chests, 1 with SS trait and 1 with dagger in the back. Dib sims higher but i feel and numbers gives SS piece advantage in Raids. Is it just because different playstyle or is 1 SS still a valid choice?

[pearl meteor]

2:25 ish will be 4th exsang + ven van gc

[glass vessel]

so exsang on CD,gale on CD, and line them all up with the 4th exsang by holding vendetta.gale right?

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[glass vessel]

kk ty

[ember coral]

@pearl meteor after using exs, I let bleed fade, or not?

[unkempt karma]

I use 2x 340ss in raids with archives

works the best for me

but then again I dont got anything else except DD for st

[pearl meteor]

Depends on fight but ideally zaarg apply 0.1s after it drops lmao

Or right b4

[ember coral]

Yeah so basically , just before it fade, u vanish double garote rupture

[lost tree]

hey, does simulations always sinulate with this Array thing when u have a raod azerite trait?

[pearl meteor]

U env

Then mut mut rup

Or mut rup if u out of time

Otherwise u sitting awhile for no real reason

Rup will b 15s dura gar will b 10

From opener

Raidbots does @lost tree

[ember coral]

I mean, after rup is gone and gar also

[pearl meteor]

U will vanish b4 they r both gone

[lost tree]

okay so the possibility is high that scent in blood is better as 385 helm then a 370 archieve in m+?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

It is better

[wheat zealot]

Absolutely

[unkempt karma]

just bonus rolled Dooms wake

fuck yes

[pearl meteor]

Grats

[glass vessel]

niiiice

[lost tree]

okay so i dont hate blizz anymore for that helm i guess

[ember coral]

What’s the point of vanish before bleed are gone ?

[arctic sapphire]

Are people supposed to pool energy while playing sin? I've tried it but I couldn't keep my rup/gar uptime up while pooling for 4-5combo envenom

[glass vessel]

pandemic @ember coral

[pearl meteor]

U vanish to reapply gar

Not rup

Rupt timing is irrelevant

Gar falls off 5s b4 rupt

[unkempt karma]

ty ty

370 with socket, I guess hate it si

is*

[glass vessel]

with a socket too? daaamn son

[unkempt karma]

haste*

[ember coral]

If I pandemic bleed while they are exs, then they will not be exs anymore , no?

[glass vessel]

dont do that with exsang

[pearl meteor]

Bruh

[glass vessel]

you let exsang bleeds fall off

[unkempt karma]

If you overrite them

[pearl meteor]

U needa read what i said again

[unkempt karma]

they lose their buffed damage

[pearl meteor]

Until u understand

Lmao

Over n over

[glass vessel]

@ember coral the reason you vanish after exsang bleeds fall off is to reapply empowered garrote

[cerulean walrus]

Could you imagine if exs stayed on refreshed bleeds .-.

[ember coral]

U told me to vanish b4 gar and rup are gone

[glass vessel]

rupture doesnt get buffed

[pearl meteor]

No

U vanish

When gar falls off

[ionic charm]

I can imagine it, it would be like the NS deadly poison bug from Antorus

[pearl meteor]

Rupt doesnt fall off

For 5 more seconds

So u dont apply rupt from that vanish

So u gar gar env

Mut mut rupt

[ember coral]

Ok got it

[unkempt karma]

Garrote does but not ruputre 😛

[ember coral]

Thanks

[pearl meteor]

Or if u go into vanish with a cp gar env gar mut wait rupt

[lost tree]

swirling sands was okay aswell as assa or? im at work currently and cant sim my assa

[ember coral]

Well vanish double gar, env, double mutil rup

Pretty easy :p

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

Just depends on timing

If rup falls off after first mut u needa rup short

And reapply sooner

[little frigate]

Hey guys, chest dropped 385 shoulders with fan of blades or meticulous scheming. Both seem shit, but I can't find their sim value on blood mallet

any help?

[empty gyro]

I just switched to TB. Whats the optimal opener for TB rotation?

[pearl meteor]

Herodamage @little frigate but sim it

With or without ss demar

[little frigate]

i dont get it mate