with subterfuge you drop 3 garrote in a ro
#assassination
keen urchin
aight ty
lone junco
wouldnt mind if it stacked up to 6 on the open
or infinite stacks based on garrotes.
I would love that.
keen urchin
yeah definitely
still not a fan of those "increases damage of one spell for one time" traits but it would make it better
smoky moth
is anyone hitting their unbuffed sim dps on a dummy?
faint harness
no because the sim dps has like what
400 more secondary stats
unless you're hitting a dummy inside Uldir
do you think that a 385 double dose would be better than 370 scent on tyrannical weeks
civic hatch
what does slb mean?
exotic glen
you know you can turn off reorigination array in raidbots right push
marsh bloom
I will now lol
keen urchin
What traits do you guys reckon I should aim for as a fresh leveled rogue, thinking 3xSS for M+ but I don't know for Uldir (aside from high ilvl Archive / Matrix)
worldly ledge
Hello guys!
With 19÷haste, 30% mastery which is better? TB or EXA?
And for M+ and raid PB or CT?
I would appreciate your opinion
plain cairn
Sim
brisk forge
It
faint harness
4-6 bosses, 40 sec duration
worldly ledge
Sim shows that PB and TB are better for single target.
And @exotic glen shall i wait until the bleeding defubb expires or use it when I have enough cp?
exotic glen
reapply crimson tempest when the debuff is at 2 seconds
worldly ledge
Thank you!
faint harness
if you have a lot of mobs you can spam CT
exotic glen
you really cant unless some conditions are met
that being that the mobs die really fast mainly
steady grotto
Are people running exa in m+?
exotic glen
yes
steady grotto
Even if tb simming higher st?
faint harness
m+ isnt ST
exotic glen
what he said
steady grotto
I know that lol
faint harness
So why ask 😄
steady grotto
I'm not really using tb or exa on packs whether I'm running either
Guess that's wrong lmao
proud tusk
Exa feels better in every scenario in M+ imo.
exotic glen
well tb would most likely be either dps neutral or negative on some trash packs
because its a gcd and energy thats almost wasted on ST
because you cant push envenoms in on aoe
faint harness
weeeeellll
steady grotto
Yah that's why I'm not really using it haha
exotic glen
the reaon exsang is better on packs is because it does its optimal dps when you just press it and let dots tick
unlike tb that requires more dmg on the main target
steady grotto
Yeah I'm gonna have to get used to running it I think
faint harness
it also gives you small energy bursts
steady grotto
Tru hadn't thought about that
faint harness
are you using vendetta on trash?
steady grotto
Yeah
exotic glen
only really if the main target is really beefy and you have it up for the next bosses
steady grotto
Not run exa for a while though
exotic glen
which can happen a few times
faint harness
Theres 0 reason not to use it if its up for the boss
steady grotto
Idk I pop vendetta whenever I can as long as it'll be up for boss
vast monolith
Master Assassin is viable?
faint harness
on pure ST sure
faint harness
it sims higher if you have 0 SS traits
steady grotto
Damn wish I had a 385 Azeri piece
vast monolith
Its a pain in the ass to play without ss in dugeons
faint harness
got 385 ss and 385 dd
steady grotto
Damn nice
steady grotto
I got 370 lm and 370 with the rupture trait
vast monolith
I used all my luck in a 385 dice trinket for a Mythic 5
faint harness
rupture is quite good
steady grotto
Wow
faint harness
using 2x ss and 1 rupture for m+
vast monolith
From*
strange python
@vast monolith wow
I have run so many 10s and still no dice
faint harness
same.. but galecallers
vast monolith
Im with real good trinkets
proud tusk
Got 370 dice from m+ yesterday, feelsgoodman.
steady grotto
Got the mythic taloc trinket last week
proud tusk
still only got galecaller on 340 tho
steady grotto
But its kinda shit
vast monolith
Already got a galecallers, that one from SoB, and 2 dices, all of them 370+
steady grotto
Bruh
steady grotto
What's your ilvl??
vast monolith
I think its 380
steady grotto
Damn nice
vast monolith
Almost 2 weeks i dont get a upgrade :/
steady grotto
I'm barely 370
proud tusk
im 365 because of shitty luck with Azerite armor
lone junco
take a break. say hi to your parents upstairs.
steady grotto
Lool
winter nimbus
How to use exsang properly in mythic+ on +3 targets, 3x ss traits
vast monolith
To sim without ss should i change de APL or it is automatic?
keen urchin
If you sim with multiple targets on a shorter fight and without array you can sim for M+ just fine
round ledge
!ss
ornate mantle
guys on the level 30 talents should i change the talent beside subterfuge in any situation?
strange python
G(main target) ,g,g rupture (main target) the vendetta main target, vanish g the two off targets and then garrote main target again. Add the rupture again so both are pandemic then exang
@winter nimbus
@ornate mantle yes depending on sims on ST. Vs multi target most of the time subterfuge remains strongest as its the only talent that really allows increased multi taget damage.
But as an assa rogue i would always run strongest ST sim. And add crimson tempest for any aoe ( padding ) or raid necessirt
Necessity *
ornate mantle
mmm ok thanks
hushed maple
Hey Guys. I just saw the Method Rogue guide and god damn these Nameplates are clean AF
does someone know, which addon that is?
final lagoon
strong sundial
Want to see that guide 😉
round rover
think Frag uses standard Elvui nameplates
with a special skin that he uses for all his elvui bars/plates
imo Kui is the simplest and cleanest nameplate addon out there, but they all pretty much do the same
Plater if you want to go all in with customization
frozen badger
Do I still aim for 2 shrouded + 1 archive in M+?
calm grail
Probably.
Also should try to sim your best setup.
But archive won't sim well.
Sooooo
Yeah probably what you said.
simple gulch
!wa
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hollow minnow
@frozen badger you should try to sim, for me I get better dps with 3 ss for M+
keen urchin
Why get 1 archive in M+?
inner pecan
3 SS is the best setup
But Archive is readily available at high ilvl
Pretty easy to get a 385 Archive piece, can't say the same about SS except for Fetid chest
trail flax
in M+, 340 SS vs 370 archive ?
inner pecan
340 SS for low keys, you can try the 370 Archive in higher stuff if it's living a lot longer than your empowered garrotes
But I'd prob play the 340 SS
trail flax
thanks!
frozen badger
@hollow minnow thanks for the info! :)
analog prism
when do you guys pop galecaller during burst? (with exsang)
spice surge
Before
Exsang snapshots haste (ie the dots will tick based on the haste you had whenever you pressed exsang, not your current haste) so having haste after pressing exsang isnt as good as before
So as early as possible but so that you can still get the exsang of in it
analog prism
thanks for the answer
dark crag
You sure about the haste snapshot? I think someone would have pinned that information
fathom lynx
Does exsang snapshot only haste, or does it simply snapshot your stats?
spice surge
Only haste
Why would it be pinned, it barrely affects play except using gcb before. And its been like that since they introduced haste to dots (bfa alpha)
dark crag
Barely effects play? Pushing exsang with gcb that is up for 1 sec and whole exsang profits of it is huge
round wadi
Do u wait for gcb or u just exaang on cd?
spice surge
On CD
calm grail
They'll line back up for the 3rd one usually
With a tiny delay
But otherwise on CD seems legit.
spice surge
Yeah a tiny delay for your third gcb to make it line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at 2.25ish
keen urchin
Do you delay exsang for Vendetta/vanish ?
spice surge
No
calm grail
Also assuming you're not just hitting a training dummy there are other times you can line it up too.
keen urchin
Ok
calm grail
Taloc etc.
round wadi
There is a 15 sec delay aniway if u do the things perfectly or am I wrong
spice surge
15s delay for what?
spice surge
Yea, but other than that just use on cd
Unless you know fight timings and have anything else preplanned ofc
arctic flint
can someone tell me how much dps is expected from an assassin rogue in m+ as 360ilvl?
terse mango
is SS still a thing?
exotic glen
the trait still exists yes
cerulean walrus
@hazy sphinx if you even touched sin rogue during legion the rotation will look very similar to that
without Kingsbane
hazy sphinx
I did not.
It's a 0.1 difference from subterfuge qtm
Its also toxic blade instead of exsang.
cerulean walrus
Yeah I prefer TB anyway, free combo points and it makes envenoms pretty nasty
hazy sphinx
Have u killed zekvoz in mythic?
cerulean walrus
Haven't stepped into mythic yet cause my guild is being very slow with prog
Bored AF
hazy sphinx
Damn.
cerulean walrus
I mean isn't Outlaw the way to go for Zek anyway?
merry pivot
Find a new guild? 🤔
cerulean walrus
Hmmmmm 🤔
hazy sphinx
Outlaw is just there to pad
But I do think I'm even doing more damage as ST as outlaw right now
cerulean walrus
🐍 👀
hazy sphinx
I said I'm simming higher
crisp steppe
if you need more aoe on zekvoz outlaw is great. as for bossdamage warcraftlogs has the receipts
cerulean walrus
Sinister, Sinister, SInister, Sinister, Sinister, sinister, lul Snake Eyes life is easy AF
terse hinge
LOL
hazy sphinx
But I don't have a snake eyes build
cerulean walrus
Just find the pieces? 🤔
hazy sphinx
Yeah, at 377 equipped. Just gonna go rock some 340s
cerulean walrus
Hell yeah dude
hazy sphinx
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
cerulean walrus
For one fight
hazy sphinx
I'm not setting foot in a 340 ever again
strange python
5 different sets inc 
cerulean walrus
Hey man, I had to grab a 335 OH cause I scrapped mine, never thought I'd go Outlul at all
strange python
5 hats
cerulean walrus
Tankard O' Terror OP boys lmfao
terse hinge
LOL.
cerulean walrus
Hey man I can rock outlaw cause it isn't very trait dependent tbh. Just slap on an Archive, Laser, and Deadshot and you're ready to go!
30% of the time it works all the time
frozen iris
@cerulean walrus you can utilize blizzards item restoration if you scrapped something and want the item back. It is treated like you sold it to a vendor but just have to give back the materials you got from scrapping it
opaque grotto
I play sub on zekvoz, the priority dmg on the big adds is insane
leaden niche
Quick question - what's exsang burst like compared to tb - was considering playing it with 1xss for mythic fetid for more burst on the adds - does anyone have any feedback on this or mythic fetid for sin as we are just starting progg on it
+not played exsang this exp
inner pecan
it's very good burst but you have to be on the big add
because it takes you like 4-5 GCDs to set up
this is the Mutated Mass dmg from my farm kill this week
leaden niche
Thanks @inner pecan - what's exsang opnener from vanish? Vanish gar rip gar? Then vendetta b4 or after exsang
inner pecan
SS/Exsg
hollow mica
Do u always use Crimson Tempest for m+?
inner pecan
It's the same as the regular opener
vanish - gar - rup - gar- ven - mut - rupture - exsg
hollow mica
Or poison bomb still better?
leaden niche
Thanks for the help @famo
inner pecan
2nd should die with lust
hazy sphinx
Snake eyes would be a dps loss for me. I'd lose too much agility.
Famo you got Zekvoz on farm?
inner pecan
yes
hazy sphinx
Stay sin for the fight?
inner pecan
these last few weeks I have yes
on prog I played sub but that was week 1 mythic before the nerfs
split oracle
Stupid question... What does gcb mean?
inner pecan
galecaller's boon
split oracle
ah okay, ty!
hazy sphinx
Do you go with CT?
inner pecan
nope
hollow mica
I was wondering the same thing lol. Thanks for asking :p
inner pecan
I just play ST build with SS/Exsg/PB and prio down the boss/big adds
let my dks/frost mages/boomkins worry about small adds
not really a sin rogue's job
hollow mica
@inner pecan what about m+?
hollow mica
Ooo
inner pecan
then get some ruptures out until you have enough energy to be gcd-locked
usually around 4 ruptures
then you can keep up CT, keep up Envenom, and CT spam if nothing else
while trying to keep your 4-5 Ruptures up
hollow mica
Makes sense with SS being prior trait
leaden niche
Sin is fine for zek
mossy ferry
What's the target breakpoint for generating with Mut vs. Fan?
hazy sphinx
Just fan of knives when the ads come out for the extra regen?
And when do you usually take the orb?
inner pecan
just use the adds for CP generation
inner pecan
rogue doesn't really need to take orb at any point, you should be a backup in case it lands in the Surging Darkness
then you can cloak and go take it and save your raid
thorn grove
Shouldn't ppl with execute stuff take orb
leaden niche
Not rly p2 can last a while
thorn grove
For me they leave it for 2bm hunts and 2warriors
leaden niche
If u have bres available good. Dps taking early is fine
leaden niche
Yh deffo easy to kill a tank on that fight
inner pecan
keep ur execute/big boss dmg till the end, then let them get a late orb
leaden niche
I healed zek and tanks being on 1 hp is triggering
inner pecan
stuff like warriors/hunter/warlock should live through the whole thing basically
and rogues should just be backup for immunity soaks
hazy sphinx
What's your average dmg on this boss? Mind sharing a log I can look at?
high ingot
thoughts on swapping a warrior tank to his dk alt for zek mythic? (375 -> 350 ilvl) for ease of mass grip? or more hassle due to random tank deaths than its worth?
currently progressing on him as well as assa
inner pecan
@high ingot the grip is nice but idk if he can live at 350 tbh
leaden niche
Grip and ring are bis for zek
inner pecan
depends if the player is a god or not
high ingot
guess we'll drag his dk through a few m+ til our next raid then
inner pecan
@hazy sphinx logs are private but this is my kill from last week if it helps at all
leaden niche
Lol ur killspeed compared to mine famo
inner pecan
lol ya we blow through that boss pretty quick
leaden niche
We have a feral too who won't play balance - salty at being benched lol
leaden niche
He's a v v good feral too tho
inner pecan
modern osprey
100% on zul lets go boi
opaque grotto
They’re giving feral like an aoe rip aren’t they?
Seemsgood
But I’m no feral expert
hollow mica
Lol I stopped playing my 355 boomy cuz people won't take me cuz they need ST even in m+
leaden niche
Boomie is amazing
hollow mica
I know
opaque grotto
boomie is sick in every scenario
hollow mica
They don't
calm grail
OP*
inner pecan
boomkin is top3 spec in m+ though
hollow mica
Plus utility is insane
inner pecan
that is pre much the best comp yes
opaque grotto
We do boomy mage rogue a lot
inner pecan
brez + typhoon + treants + innervate + stealth
and more
prob the only spec that can rival rogue in utility is boomkin
calm grail
My group, probably not ideal but its Mistweaver, Brew, Sin, Havoc, Balance
high ingot
but that leather synergy though
inner pecan
bdk mw boomkin dh rogue
calm grail
Maybe I'm a little jaded for rogue utility* outside of shroud because my brewmaster paralyzes everything before I can sap it
faint harness
should be brought for dmg right now honestly
calm grail
And obviously I know about kicking and using kidney shot and blind.
inner pecan
garrote silence is busted
glass vessel
blinds, on-demand, long as fuck stuns with damage bonus, shroud, sap, huge prio damage as sub, massive spread as sin
inner pecan
so is iron wire
glass vessel
garrote silence as sin is insane
faint harness
yea the garrote silence is good
calm grail
I use iron wire mostly, not prey on the weak
edgy latch
burst classes take first
leaden niche
Iron wire subterfuge is so fucking gross
glass vessel
yea mainly for sub/outlaw. iron wire is basically required for sin. you'd be dumb not to use it x)
faint harness
aoe silence :p
glass vessel
sub/sin also have fantastic ST. outlaw can be hit or miss
sin is by far the most well-rounded atm. heavy AOE with great ST and utility
leaden niche
Master poisoner if no frostmage is a good slow, tricks is mandatory for skittish etc
glass vessel
ah yes cant forget about tricks
hollow mica
But, most Uldir bosses are ST. They didn't get our boomy
glass vessel
tanks love that shit
leaden niche
Yh
inner pecan
@hollow mica wait till u get to mythic g'huun lol
boomkins carrying P1 at 35-40k dps
glass vessel
yea tricks for aoe burst threat is a big dealf or some tanks like BDK
hollow mica
Yeah I've heard they are stupid good at that
leaden niche
Stacking frost dks to delete adds is a thing I hear
glass vessel
ehhh
edgy latch
Taloc Mother Fetid
glass vessel
the only true cleave fights are zek, zul and ghuun
mother only if you go to rooms early
inner pecan
depends what u mean by cleave bcz vectis and mythrax are 2-target cleave for 50% of the fight
hollow mica
Hard to compete with rogue, locks and hunters
glass vessel
true mythrax on mythic as well
inner pecan
intermission is ST lol
hollow mica
Or may I need to tell them to git gud
faint harness
i wish
faint harness
depends on what classes you run right
leaden niche
Lol
inner pecan
jump on the rock lel
glass vessel
if you're group is smart and stays close by they spawn very close together and get burned quick
inner pecan
ye i was agreeing with u lol
faint harness
many welps
edgy latch
left side
faint harness
but im surprised nobody is more pissed about the spread mechanics in Uldir, its worse than ToS in terms of mechanical variety
glass vessel
vectis is mostly just an ST fight
subtle tundra
I’m a sin master race not because I don’t like the other specs but because I’m too bad to be able to play em. Am I alone?
faint harness
Theres almost always an add up on Vectis
edgy latch
where theres nothing
quartz drift
there’s something extremely cathartic about sin
edgy latch
are you basing your facts on your normal progress?
faint harness
just because you dont hit the add doesnt mean it doesnt exist x)
quartz drift
How much energy do you guys pool before toxic blade?
calm grail
I did the Bad Blood achievement last night, and let me tell you what, that big add that you keep in the fight is great for padding.
glass vessel
lol i hit the fucking add wut, it jsut dies insanely quick
calm grail
I want to do that more
subtle tundra
I don’t pool I just use it
faint harness
"insanely quick", guess it depends on your other dps
inner pecan
you should still pool for it
edgy latch
inner pecan
if you wanna play well
faint harness
Not a cleave fight btw 4Head
subtle tundra
I’m fine with my dps so I’m not trying that hard
edgy latch
how is that a st fight?
quartz drift
Anyone else playing maghar ? I have my racial macrod to vendetta and was wondering if that’s kosher
glass vessel
are you running an actual cleave setup for a singular add for half the fight?
i main sub but even as sin i dont change much on that fight
faint harness
you have to take the add into account yes
that fight as a sub rogue is just shit
because sub is shit at 2 target cleave
edgy latch
you pool resources to instantly dot up the add
inner pecan
you can also play more mastery on that fight
glass vessel
i looka t cleave fights like zul and zek where you run an actual cleave setup, not just a singular add you burn and turn back on boss and it doesnt really change your playstyle for ST setup
faint harness
i used to play MfD just for the add on our first kill
glass vessel
MfD is really good on that fight indeed
edgy latch
but why would someone play mfd as sin on a ST fight? 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
glass vessel
i guess technically it's a "cleave" fight but you arent running CT or going Shuriken Tornado/SecTec with dark shadows or a specific AoE setup
for legit cleave scenarios. add is more of a turn-and-burn
faint harness
destruction warlock is really good for vectis
edgy latch
im not running CT on zekvoz
edgy latch
our adds dies fast enough
glass vessel
CT is not just cheese for zekvoz lmao
faint harness
the mages, boomies, BMs etc can handle that easily on their own tho
faint harness
i would probably not get enough out of CT there to benefit that much from it
edgy latch
no ct for me
faint harness
But do you know what Zekvoz has
a spread mechanic
vectis? a spread mechanic
Taloc? Spread
faint harness
Mythrax spread?
glass vessel
we are just arguing semantics. call it what you want, but playstyle on vectis vs. patchwerk fight really isnt that big of a difference at all. there's nothing super cleavey about the fight impo
glass vessel
and yes fuck spread mechanics it's aids
faint harness
it fucks over melee
edgy latch
mythrax is the most aids spread though
thorn grove
Wonder whats gonna be next
faint harness
probably stack x)
edgy latch
i love when he calls a wipe
faint harness
what are people doing
glass vessel
yea mythrax gets me triggered fi i gt stuck in an orb rip performance
edgy latch
thats the best one
glass vessel
or w/e the aoe ability is where you gotta run out. cant think of name atm. fuck that shit
when youg et it like 10x in a row
edgy latch
my raidleader playing with orbs
faint harness
must be fun
faint harness
imminent ruin is fucked, it ends up on a pool of like 5 players every single attempt
spiral snow
I rly liked assa when I first picked it up, but over time I realized outlaw is my bae
faint harness
we had 1 warlock get imminent ruin 6 times on 30 wipes yday, a monk got it 58 times
edgy latch
ya its based on the position in the room somehow
glass vessel
yet our RDPS still get triggered when i say RDPS is overall far more relaxing to play in raids lol
edgy latch
we always get it around moon
we always knew that our arms warr would get it before the 2nd add
and our other rogue on pull
faint harness
so its proximity based? 🤔
edgy latch
proximity based on what
obsidian ruin
first ones always go behind the boss
faint harness
Hmm
edgy latch
even if you'd tank him to another direction?
obsidian ruin
we didnt bother trying
just had 2 mw take them 24/7 basically
on 10 pulls they d get 34
faint harness
interesting
torpid jackal
wtf is this monday maintenance nonsense
cerulean walrus
Columbus Day Maintenance (trademark pending)
fluid falcon
lol
torpid jackal
accidentally found Cuba
fluid falcon
ignorance is bliss
terse mango
do we still use ss?
faint harness
It was removed as of todays maintenance
"We couldn't handle balancing a trait that good so we just removed it"
cerulean walrus
It instantly kills you when you use garrote now
fluid falcon
wait they removed shrouded suffocation?
terse mango
sorry I was looking for the rogue discord im not sure what this is
faint harness
You still use SS yea
terse mango
Do you stack it?
cerulean walrus
Yes.
faint harness
if you can
terse mango
thanks dad
red plaza
mythic + for sure ss is still really good. raids not so much (ilvl depending ofc)
faint harness
still pretty good
I run LM, SS and DD in raids
Scent + 2x SS in m+
wanna trade that LM for archive tho 😦
terse mango
what about pvp @red plaza
terse mango
that's odd since it sims so low
strange python
Not on higher keys
cerulean walrus
But you'd probably want to ask in the PvP channel
@terse mango SS doesn't sim right on Bloodmallet
or Raidbots*
strange python
Why?
terse mango
ah gotcha.. blood was where I was looking
red plaza
sorry don't pvp, can't help you there XD
faint harness
Well its superbad on bloodmallet
strange python
Why wouldnt ss sim right?
strange python
It sims right on raidbots
faint harness
and on raidbots it doesnt account for vanish applications
spice surge
Check #tc-updates Aethys latest post on why
cerulean walrus
SS without Subt META boys
cerulean walrus
Get that one mega garrote in lul
faint harness
yea i meant the dungeon sims
not vanish
it doesnt account for stealthing between packs
cerulean walrus
^
faint harness
but yea i think a lot of people are getting misled by bloodmallets sims recently
spice surge
It does nowadays
wheat zealot
Its herodamage that has m+ sims that arent account for re stealth
strange python
Yeah but thats cuz Bloodmallet is just 1 talent build
faint harness
yes
faint harness
but a lot of people just check bloodmallet and doesnt sim themselves
strange python
Yeah shrouded is 1st place when stacking on herodamage
But it falls off on higher keys
strange python
Archive too
cerulean walrus
I mean, sure? get those 5 CP instantly and get it to reset every pack
spice surge
Mfd is good
wheat zealot
Mfd wouldnt affect ss lol
spice surge
You know
faint harness
Check the sims on herodamage
there are 2 SS sims
one without MfD and one with
the one with is way above
strange python
Yeah but vigor is way better for bosses in m+
spice surge
Most bosses*
cerulean walrus
Trash is the true boss in M+
faint harness
vigor vs MfD on ST is not that big
cerulean walrus
That's one affix
strange python
With SS?
faint harness
with anything
strange python
alright
wheat zealot
Its very insignificant
faint harness
I did that sim to check what i would lose going MfD on vectis
cerulean walrus
I'm assuming if you stay sin on Zek you'd want to talent into MfD for the adds? Guess its better to sim that too
faint harness
I dunno, i have mostly played sub on zek
but sure
why not
you can prob get some resets on the small adds for CT spam if you run that talent
brittle idol
any tips on how to minmax on vectis M ?
faint harness
apply bleeds only to the add
and tunnel boss
1.5% is not huge, if its way better for aoe its not big enough to not use it even during tyrannical weeks. But im not completely sold on it yet either, just played around with it and it seemed alright
hollow cloud
Just kill the add
fiery jasper
i woulden't do that if your raid has trouble killing the add
hollow cloud
who cares about logs
strange python
me
hollow cloud
raid id about getting boss dowm
cerulean walrus
Outlaw invasion out of nowhere?
cerulean walrus
We've been boarded
faint harness
but if they can manage with ur bleeds/poisons only its fine
fiery jasper
its mostly near the end when people have 6 stacks that you really need to focus the add tho
with out spreading the dot
faint harness
well yea but at that point you should be close to a kill anyway
faint harness
leukemia boss
hollow cloud
Its up to you tbh
Pad wise just bleed up the add and go full boss
fiery jasper
progression pulls usally have 6 stacks sooner then pristine reclears
solid nova
@hollow cloud Would you like a quick switch fam
hollow cloud
Do it for me Richy
solid nova
Test
hollow cloud
solid nova
😗
cerulean walrus
You be sin now
fiery jasper
sullen pagoda
just play all 3 4Head
quaint flare
simple meteor
hollow cloud
I do 
sullen pagoda
outlul is my last go to spec
cerulean walrus
I kind of have to for Zek, my guild demands it... despite me kind of being their top DPS regardless...
sullen pagoda
sin is ResidentSleeper but decent
hollow cloud
Play what u enjoy
as long as it isnt survival
faint harness
it doesnt have a socket so its not perfect 😦
calm grail
Survival is fine lol
cerulean walrus
That would get so many sin/sub heated AF
sullen pagoda
u joke about survival but my guildie is simming over 17k as 371 survival
cerulean walrus
Yeah surv is pretty stupid right now lol
faint harness
survival is fine tho
calm grail
Funny joke
faint harness
cant handle it
hollow cloud
Thenks
cerulean walrus
Nerf marksmanship ffs
calm grail
Me like
cerulean walrus
So OP
faint harness
Nerf outlaw tbh
faint harness
they have too much potential
hollow cloud
SMH
sullen pagoda
potential to never see progress 4Head
exotic ice
heys guys for aoe rotation is fok already worth it at 2 targets?
or should
I just mutilate
cerulean walrus
Nerf Darth Sidious Paladins, their Thunderous Blast shenanigans need to end
sullen pagoda
imagine fetid mythic as outlaw
hollow cloud
sullen pagoda
sorry guys rolled bad couldnt kill 😂
hollow cloud
Thats gonna be me next week
cerulean walrus
omegalul
hollow cloud
Gonna upload logs of 7k outlul fetid mythic
hollow cloud
cerulean walrus
Guess I'm gonna do 2k
cerulean walrus
Better than Fan of Blades
hallow glen
is laser matrix good for m+?
knotty tusk
if you like aggroing random shit
sullen pagoda
its bad
strange python
@sullen pagoda survival in 385 10x array is simming 2k above assa
Makes me wish i leveled my hunter this tier :p
sullen pagoda
eh guilds will rarely accept hunter as melee
especially this tier with fights being melee unfriendly
tidal badge
Couldn’t find a solid answer to this yet: should I pool energy for TB (as in pool before its ready)?
lucid bolt
hey guys remember how i was complaining about that coworker who was a master bs artist? they let her go
feelsweirdman
pale forum
!ss
slim olive
The bug was fixed
frozen badger
For M+, why does Herodamage say I want 2 archive 1 twist the knife instead of 3 shrouded suffocation?
warm geode
someone can tell if this is a normal behavior?
the first circle is first garrote after vanish>garrote>garrote from the open
using exsg then garrote right after
or we dont care about garrote damage without ss?
ik the we shouldnt delay exsg, but i thought the we needed to prep for a good exsg, like, full rupture and garrote before exsg comes out of cd
this is the full report https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/y2x25HvDPq5JDBsxauzoC
and... this is the right place to put? or on tc-research ?
strange python
nah u can ask here
spice surge
You dont need full bleeds, you just want high bleeds. Clipping too much of your previous casts isnt good
That said, there it seems like the proper action would be to clip 1 sec of garrote pandemic before exsanging
warm geode
but only 2 sec of garrote inside exsg is a huge change of mindset the i was playing, this is why im posting here, i would refresh garrote before exsg at least
strange python
Because thats what u do
Exsang allows u to put more ruptures and garrotes in a fight
So you do refresh bleeds before exsang
Best case scenario is to refresh them at 5.4 sec garrote and something like 6 sec rupture
dull lintel
which dungeons are generally preferred for PB?
warm geode
i run every dungeon with PB
warm geode
cant find tank who pull alot adds
lusty dew
emissary*
warm geode
packs with 3 to 5 , i would say run PB, if u have a good tank the can mass pull, CT
daring imp
@lusty dew what
warm geode
assuming til m+12
dull lintel
mmkay, yeah, i'm kind of torn, i like it but the RNG nature of it sometimes..
warm geode
does 3% overall, same as if i use CT
warm geode
what???
nimble tartan
Man that change is so huge
daring imp
@warm geode what? if you go with ct you do 3% overall with it? O_O
warm geode
cuz is low amount of adds, and they die fast
daring imp
oh
warm geode
tank fault
daring imp
low keys?
lusty dew
emissary caches now 370, time to get 3xSS 370's
warm geode
+10 to +12
spice surge
US i presume because todays reward on EU was AP not azerite
warm geode
i stream /isBreadknife, i can tell the im not the perfect player using CT, but spending cp on CT or passive PB i find more easy to do damage with PB
if wanna check the Vods
north terrace
US
nimble tartan
Dam I wonder since I never do my caches if my other azerite ones turned into 370s
What if I log into there 370 azerite caches POG
daring imp
@warm geode i say this because even with subpar tanks that tend to be overly cautious, mine won't ever, ever ever go below 6% unless we wipe on bosses a lot
it's usually 8~10% tho
warm geode
could be 2 reasons
dull lintel
ong, you talking about your CT or your PB
daring imp
ct
warm geode
or i do alot less CT damage, or alot more another tipes of damage
daring imp
well i do 3x ss, dice/gcb
daring imp
i have 40something mastery, 42 or 43 not sure
warm geode
1k crit 1.3hast around 500 mastery
daring imp
but it shouldn't give that much of a difference
garrote is usually 1/3 of your whole dmg too?
cold dragon
What happened to the pinned post about SS in m+?
north terrace
What pinned post?
cold dragon
There was a pinned post from the herodamage guy explaining the herodungeon sim setting on herodamage
it finally showed SS being best in m+ because of stealth between packs
strange python
its weird that they have included uldir traits with RA stacks in the dungeon sim 🤔
kind oar
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warm geode
lucid bolt
omg thank you
warm geode
prob u need 370 ilvl, ppl on comments 367 saying reward is 355
warm geode
355 for u my friend
lucid bolt
no u!
what a bummer though whats the point
if someone is already 370+ ilvl why make the gear 370 for them only
lucid bolt
ah yeah i dont have the time to farm mythics 😦
warm geode
weekends?
there is some dudes on my guild they only raid and do one +10 per week
373ilvl equiped
fierce knoll
worth dropping a 340 piece with SS to gain a 370 piece with SB?
warm geode
for raid or for m+?
fierce knoll
raid
fierce knoll
sim is like about a 100 dps increase
north terrace
My highest ilvl is 368 and I had a 370, buddy is 367 highest and is at 355
fierce knoll
but im also Exsang build with a galecallers
ruby idol
This is only ally na today?
north terrace
horde NA has it
ruby idol
Oh lord :)
warm geode
my tb and bleed builds r similar, so i chose what i play best, exsg 😃 16.5k boths
when i come home i will get the 370 azerite with trash traits so i can sleep like usual
cold dragon
@spice surge thank you
cerulean walrus
tfw now you can kill 20 bees, some random asshole in Stormsong, and a couple dinosaurs and get 370 gear
daring imp
what
calm grail
Maybe I can get a better SS shoulders for m+ now
daring imp
oh you mean the emissaries
spice surge
You have always been able to do that in bfa though 😄
cerulean walrus
Is it just to get people to get through heroic or something?
Like I don't exactly get it
daring imp
snek snek
cerulean walrus
Twisty Knife dude?
spice surge
Check the Q&A they had, they explained why
spice surge
Im just glad you're able to get atleast shoulders with SS at 370
Think there is a chest aswell, but no helm
cerulean walrus
I mean there's the fetid chest
spice surge
Ofc
desert vault
Heh, I got a 295 from my emissary, RIP
inland hornet
Ain't twist the knive the best, to get one atleast
desert vault
so its a guaranteed 370 or just UP TO 370?
desert vault
I dunno, like I said I got a 295 blue from it 😃
daring imp
people are saying 367.5~368 ilvl to get 370 az piece
desert vault
huh, wonder if they changed the regular WQ levels too, like the 325s to 340 or w/e
spice surge
They never said they would
They said in their post that there would soon be a hotfix that implemented 370 azerite from emisarry rewards, and here it is
summer marten
is it eu too?
cerulean walrus
Tomorrow
spice surge
Maybe tommorow
desert vault
Huh, that's cool. Need to get my ilvl up so I can get the 370
still only 365ish I think
spice surge
Depends on whenever the next emisarry that rewards azerite is
lusty dew
there was a maintenance today in NA, after which the reset this change went live
so prolli same for EU tmw
strange hatch
Wasn’t there a post that the change will come with 8.1?
daring imp
wth do i do when i accidentally have 3 overwhelming power
summer marten
rejoice
cerulean walrus
Blast Mace Windu out the window
desert vault
I have triple Unstable Flames on my 3 pieces
visual token
Sounds hot.
spice surge
No it said prior to 8.1 @strange hatch
Or atleast "very soon" or something along those lines
cerulean walrus
Soon™
visual token
I have friends who are saying it’s live.
cerulean walrus
Lul when your ilvl is too low
strange hatch
That would be nice
spice surge
I mean its here now
daring imp
i'm at 373 counting stuff in bag
arctic flint
it's working since last wowhead news, aparently
spice surge
@strange python Doesnt seem like making sure garrote is refreshed before exsang actually matters much.
desert vault
Mine said 340 on the map earlier, dropped a 295, submitted a ticket so we will see
I told them in the ticket i'll be fine with a 385 for the mistake they made 😃
prolly will just ban my account for my sarcasm attempt more than likely
strange python
@spice surge lol what
gentle belfry
What does you ilvl have to be for 370 azurite boxes? O-o
strange python
on longer fights it does imo
spice surge
The sim is basicly equal even when it refreshes garrote prior to exsang
gentle belfry
@bright shale whats your ilvl vlare?
wheat zealot
You have to have 370 in bag ilvl
lusty dew
those of you did the 370 emissary in NA, what loot did you guys get?
curious which pvp pieces are being given
wheat zealot
Its honorbound one, so probably trash
lusty dew
and if i should do it as sub or sin
wheat zealot
Its not the azerite from actual pvp
lusty dew
well not there is a pvp chest with SS trait on it
wheat zealot
And i doubt your lootspec will matter
There is a pvp chest with ss
The one from conq capping your 2nd time
spice surge
Managed to get a 0.1% win though when i made it waste CP on garrotes prior to exsang @strange python
But in general it doesnt seem to matter, as that 0.1% is close to being within error range anyway
dim pivot
Is it just up for alliance right now ?
lusty dew
i wonder if anyone else has gotten anything else as rogue
would be good to keep track to see if its the same piece being awarded
spice surge
Its the same pieces as other WQ's
The same pieces as the azerite emisarries has always given
You can find em on wowhead
dim pivot
Oh I see what’s it’s from now my bad didn’t fully read r I p
bright shale
So folks.. Why is Bloodmallet saying Shroud is ABSOLUTE TRASH now?
spice surge
@bright shale #tc-updates Aethys most recent post
bright shale
ty
main blaze
Ah blood bog is the name I couldnt remember
olive surge
@keen inlet how do
keen inlet
@olive surge memes -> #off-topic
hoary copper
Or a website you can go to with helpful guides and info.... 🤔
restive storm
hey guys what's the opener with MA ?
hazy sphinx
I got
twist the knife and snake eyes on the 370 azerite helm from the emissary
With overwhelming power too!
shrewd bane
ss still the best for mm + ?
quick fog
restive storm
ty, im playing tb anyways
warm geode
@quick fog wouldnt be g,mut,rupture,mut,vanish,tb,env,mut?
hidden oasis
Do i go master poisoner if i go MA
restive storm
no
restive storm
yeah i thought it was vanish TB
warm geode
u cant 100% make a 4cp env at the end