assassination

[flint swift]

^^

[dim cedar]

Ohhhh just realized they fixed the SS bug too

[flint swift]

Agreed

Yeah that’s huge imo

[dim cedar]

Yup

[cedar kelp]

!ss

[drowsy summit]

Why does Double Dose sim so high on a single trait?

[desert vault]

huh, 355 Plunderbeard's Flask ...

+154 haste - increase primary state my 989 for 10s, 1 min CD

[floral pawn]

how significant is 529 speed? will footpad be useful at all or just go with the absorb shield one for defensive

[hollow stone]

Absorb

[smoky topaz]

what are the best m+ traits atm still ss?

[desert vault]

man, why couldn't that have been a better world drop trinket I get the max 35 ilvl bonus on ...

[tropic pike]

yes

i swear people come in here and ask the same question every couple of hours

[flint swift]

We should add that kind of stuff to the FAQ in the pins

Since they are, in fact, frequently asked questions.

[turbid shuttle]

If people bothered to read the pins and resources they wouldn't ask such questions. I doubt adding more info will help those people.

[drifting elbow]

i guess i gotta relearn my rotation with exsang for raid bosses since new ring with mast/haste boost caused it to be better

[ruby pelican]

370 archive or 340 ss for m+? to go with 2x SS

[fading spade]

the more SS the better for m+

[drifting elbow]

archive is very good tho..

hard to decide

u gain with ilvl difference like 250 agi already?

with trait

actually more than 250

[ruby pelican]

+132 agi base then +240 from trait at full stacks

[drifting elbow]

thats pretty big gain

i would use it

[ruby pelican]

hmm yeah I'll try it out on some dummies

[strange python]

I run 370 archive +2SS

[wet yew]

hey guys quick question, when is the best time to use galecaller's boon in the opener? when using vendetta or before vendetta?

[strange python]

before xsang

[wet yew]

oh that late, ok

[ruby pelican]

@strange python were you running 3x SS before?

[strange python]

yes

[ruby pelican]

hmm okay thanks I'll try it out

[wild heath]

whats the # of targets to use crimson tempest if talented? 2+?

[exotic glen]

if you have all dots up

3

[wild heath]

k thanks

[verbal mantle]

Hey guys, currently on ZekVoz Mythic, and Im using CT for adds spawns
I was just wondering how properly use the spell. Once you used it you want to evenom priority targert for example, when would you refrash CT again ?

[exotic glen]

you refresh ct when under 2 seconds

[verbal mantle]

alrite, cause Im playing with Master Assassin so I can CT under crit chance

[exotic glen]

but for progressing and if you are not somewhat dedicated add cheeser, i'd say just single target the big add

[ornate mantle]

is darkmoon deck: fathoms good for assa?

[exotic glen]

yes

[verbal mantle]

Okey so I CT and let it tick until 2 sec

[exotic glen]

well yes but you should probably help your raid more than your own dps

almost all guilds will start having trouble with the dps on big adds

[verbal mantle]

In our case, we dont clear adds fast enough

so I suggested to my RL to switch to AoE build

and keep my CDs for this phase

[exotic glen]

i just think FDKs or warriors would do better in your case

boomkins frost mages etc

[verbal mantle]

mmh indeed

idk what to do lel

[exotic glen]

hm

how many adds spawn on zekvoz

never bothered counting since im on big adds

[strange python]

7 small i think

or it scales with raid size

[exotic glen]

hes on mythic

[strange python]

so around 7

[verbal mantle]

yeh

• big add and boss

[exotic glen]

anyways then sure, you could do vanish > ct if you have max cps

would be the best dps increase for you

[verbal mantle]

yeh thats wat i did

[strange python]

Vanish > CT?

thats if ure specced MA yes?

[verbal mantle]

but idk, I wanted to know if it's better

yeh I have MA

[ornate mantle]

why do we use skills like Toxic blade or crimson tempested with vanish?

[exotic glen]

ma increases crit chance

ma procs with vanish

[ornate mantle]

ma?

[verbal mantle]

Master Assassin

[swift kelp]

Master assassin

[ornate mantle]

oh

[high nova]

Should Crippling poison be used in raids?

[exotic glen]

i dont see why not

[strange python]

I mean, yes?

[frosty gyro]

Ayy finally 1k raider.io

[swift kelp]

Is there anything in uldir that would be bad to slow? Lol

[daring imp]

can't wait for them to implement raid+

[prime brook]

Are people still playing 3x ss for M+?

[strange python]

Uh mostly I guess, yeah

But we can see a change

Scent coming into play

Archive

[quasi swan]

should i use exg or pb on vectis with 1x ss?

in wclogs ists a real mishmash

[elfin tiger]

does archives stack?

[supple hearth]

Yes

[little frigate]

!ss

has the ss bug been fixed yet boys?

[wet yew]

yes, read the pins

Do I wait for galecaller to come up to pair with exsang or just both mainly on cd?

[spice surge]

Use them on cd

[elfin tiger]

@supple hearth and how does it work? does it become worthless once you hit 20 stacks?

[wet yew]

so no real gain in waiting?

[spice surge]

All traits stack their damage or stat gain but nothing else

A loss in general, unless you know fight timings

[wet yew]

ok

thanks

[spice surge]

Archives doesnt stack faster if you have 2 of them, it gives more stats

[wet yew]

and you still have 1 buff, but the value on it is doubled

[strange python]

hey guys, 2x Scent of Blood or 2x SS? my sims cant give me a "realistic" answer? i thougth scent is pretty decent in m+ (aka multi-target)

[frosty gyro]

It really depends on how your group runs. SoB becomes better the larger you pull.

[exotic ice]

hey guys Im doing good dps at zekvoz but when the adds come I get absolutely swamped

I run crimson tempest

and I think Im not using it optimally

should I dot up the small adds?

or just spam tempest?

[grim mason]

should be ST fight

PB

[frosty gyro]

Well I wouldn't use Sin on ZekVoz if you can help it

[fallen sandal]

hi guys, what's the opener with MA ?

[grim mason]

!sin

[frosty gyro]

But probably check logs of high parsing people

[grim mason]

er there is a guide up top

[fallen sandal]

not for MA

[frosty gyro]

Most people are running PB though

[exotic ice]

I checked logs

[grim mason]

I use PB on zek, guild normally cc 2 of the 3 adds cleave the non cc then ST the other two

[sick oyster]

@fallen sandal normal non-ss opener but you adjust to cp proccs

[exotic ice]

what spec would be best for zek?

[fallen sandal]

what do i use after vanish ?

TB ?

[grim mason]

Garrote

garrote x's 2

[fallen sandal]

i got no sds

[grim mason]

sds?

[unique axle]

He is using ma, not subterfuge

[grim mason]

oh

mybad

[unique axle]

And He is Not using shrouded traits

And yes, you use tb after vanish

Vanish, tb, muti, envenom

[frosty gyro]

Is this a good opener? 🤔

[fallen sandal]

ty 😃

[spice surge]

Vendetta? 🤔

Oh you're looking at damage, try looking at casts, or wait

[grim mason]

vendetta then TB?

[frosty gyro]

That's casts

[fallen sandal]

like opener is garote mutilate rupture muti muti vendetta vanish tb

[frosty gyro]

18 multilate in 8.5 second 🤔

[spice surge]

Seems like a bug,

[unique axle]

No muti, muti, @fallen sandal

[spice surge]

Opener is in the guide in the pins

[unique axle]

Vendetta and Vanish after First rupture

[frosty gyro]

Yeah it's the top log for H Zek'Voz

WHich I'm thinking is top because it's bugged

Sin has some sick burst

[spice surge]

Def bugged. Using 38 globals during 10 seconds

🤔

[frosty gyro]

Oh so if you want to do some fat deeps on ZekVoz hold vanish for the adds and tab garrote 3 with SS, tab rupture 2, and go back to zek

Using FoK as a builder until they die

Actually this guy didn't even have SS he just saved vanish for the adds

[velvet kernel]

should i use Ct on mother

[frosty gyro]

Seems good

[velvet kernel]

if im going through first

[frosty gyro]

On mythic maybe? idk

[velvet kernel]

ish

yh mythic

[frosty gyro]

Actually no

dont

[velvet kernel]

ok

cause im doing lik

7k

[spice surge]

You shouldnt be going in first

[velvet kernel]

feelbadman

[spice surge]

In the first place

[velvet kernel]

well its the cheese strat

[spice surge]

Or if you are, you shouldnt be playing sin

[frosty gyro]

what is?

[velvet kernel]

3 grps super fast

with all cd's

[frosty gyro]

Cheese strat spawns no adds

that's not cheese

that's the normal strat

[velvet kernel]

what is cheese?

[frosty gyro]

Cheese is starting in room 3 and using CDs to get through fire and just having boss pull to 3rd room

And you just burn her there

Well actually you start in 2nd room really

But same thing

Unless your DPS is nuts

I think there's only 1 log where they started in 3 and killed her in time

And it has 7 100th percentile dps and 7 99s

Because of that

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6pwDnTJL7qhZc3Wd#fight=11&view=replay

[spice surge]

Also, doing that gets your characters permanently banned from warcraftlogs

[frosty gyro]

Why?

[spice surge]

https://twitter.com/WarcraftLogs/status/1045688452455550977

Warcraft Logs (@WarcraftLogs)

Sufficient warning has been given, and the "knowingly uploading bugged logs" clause is now in effect.

From this point forward, if you upload third room MOTHER exploits, your entire guild as well as all characters involved in the kill will be permanently banned from WCL.

Likes

271

Twitter

[frosty gyro]

That's stupid

That's how everyone is going to be killing the fight in a week or two when they have the gear for it

[spice surge]

By ignoring the entire fight? The fact that it works is a bug

[frosty gyro]

How is it a bug?

There's no bugged interactions

It's been around since mythic opened people were doing it week 1

[spice surge]

Fair enough, but it is "clever use of game mechanics" and is def not how the fight should be played

[royal lantern]

that IS bug abusing lol

you are not supposed too do the fight that way

and dont tell me ´´its just a smart move too pull the boss, reset, and then run into the 3th room, we just play smart!´´ thats bullshit

[frosty gyro]

There's no bug there at all everything is working like it's supposed to

It's like in FFXIV people figured out that there was a boss where it was eaasier to bring an extra healer and heal through enrage than it was to do mechanics because boss stopped doing other stuff during enrage

[royal lantern]

its not lol, the gates de-spawn when the fight is over

[frosty gyro]

Not a bug

Uh

There are no gates out of combat

You can walk to the 3rd room as a rogue

Or with shroud

[royal lantern]

you are not supposed too pull,reset, and then walk into room 3 lol, if you got banned you deserve it

[frosty gyro]

No one got banned

It's not a bug or exploit and it hasn't been changed

[spice surge]

Its the thing that gets you banned if its on not the second boss

[royal lantern]

well, banned form logs

[spice surge]

I agree, its not a bug, but its not intended

[royal lantern]

are we really starting with´´AKSCHUALY its not a bug, so its ok!´´ now?

[frosty gyro]

It's also the best strat when you have the gear for it

[spice surge]

No @royal lantern

[dull wadi]

If i am using Galecaller and Dooms Wake should i pop them at the same time or wait till Dooms wakes agi stacks up than use Gale?

[spice surge]

You cant use them at the same time

[frosty gyro]

?

[dull wadi]

Really? interesting

[frosty gyro]

Did they make it so you can't use 2 on use trinkets together?

[spice surge]

There is a 30s cd when using on-use trinkets incurred on all other on-use trinkets

Yeah in like wrath or something

[dull wadi]

huh, never got 2 on use before i guess

[frosty gyro]

Same 🤔

[gloomy stump]

anyone using blindside on taloc?

[frosty gyro]

I feel like we should have one of these but saying check logs

[velvet kernel]

so

im not going to get a good log at all

unless im last to go through

unless i play outlaw

[frosty gyro]

Yeah

[velvet kernel]

Feelsgoodman

when a dk

is put through last

and im not

[frosty gyro]

RIP

I have a 94 on mythic and 99 on heroic so I can go through whenever FeelsGoodMan

[velvet kernel]

xD

[hallow storm]

Quick question on pooling in sin, when doing mut/envenom filler rotation should I be aiming for max uptime on envenom buff or pooling to get two muts and envenom in the elaborate planning window?

[velvet kernel]

you want ep buff uptime

not the envnom

[hallow storm]

thanks man

[feral spear]

Assassination feels so muc better in pvp

[spiral knot]

Guys any tips for Vectis MM ?

[frosty gyro]

Play Outlaw because your guild only has 8 competent players and the adds don't die fast enough

It's what I do

[bright path]

Guys what mythic dung drop best items for sin?is there any site I can visit?ty!

[frosty gyro]

Try the dungeon journal

[bright path]

Ok thanks

[spiral knot]

@frosty gyro My guild tend to nuck them preety fast

[frosty gyro]

Then it's basically the same thing as heroic

throw some dots on the adds when they come out and use mut/envenom on them until they die

[silk jolt]

how the fuck can i sim <14K at 372 ilvl

with 20/20/30 haste/crit/mast

[frosty gyro]

post sim

[dark sable]

Have a 380 +58crit/+76vers cloak, and a 370 +41crit/+88haste cloak. Which is better for mythics? Sim is a (9) dps upgrade.

[frosty gyro]

Haste is less useful on multi target

[dark sable]

Vers/Agi probably pull ahead on mythic+ then?

[frosty gyro]

yeah probably

[dark sable]

Ok sweet, ty.

[grand trail]

zekvos mythic, crimson vs poison?

[frosty gyro]

@silk jolt ?

Either really

lot of CT in logs though

[wet yew]

single target is more important tho

[pearl meteor]

ct if u need more add dmg other wise pb

[wet yew]

CT is only for padding / pushing

[pearl meteor]

depends on your guild

[ripe tendon]

is it worth trying to gear/enchant for haste till 20%?

im using simc to see my stat weights, and its saying mastery and crit are higher than haste

[pearl meteor]

follow ims

sims

[ripe tendon]

but im sitting at like 9% haste

[frosty gyro]

Link sim

[ripe tendon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vX7orQzMP7ekr5swFHUwjA

thats wrong link actually

[pseudo void]

is 2nd SS trait worth 30 ilvls ?
i got a chest with SS thats always on, but struggle to choose the shoulders, 340 + ss vs 370 with 1st sharpened blades

[frosty gyro]

In M+ yeah

340 SS will beat 370 SB pretty sure

[pearl meteor]

it will

if ur playing exsang i wld take it st as well otherwise sim it

sb is kinda meh st till u get 2+

[frosty gyro]

What's the generic

Or is it pvp gear

Anarchy they nerfed SB

By making it worse the more you have

👌

[pearl meteor]

ah ok

rip sb

[frosty gyro]

So now it's garbage at any number

[pearl meteor]

gotcha

[undone sandal]

I have the same problem 340 SS or 385 DD.

[pearl meteor]

385 dd

[frosty gyro]

DD is really good

[undone sandal]

for m+

[frosty gyro]

Oh for M+

[pearl meteor]

385 dd

[frosty gyro]

eh

[pearl meteor]

still dd

[frosty gyro]

Yeah 385

[undone sandal]

but I don't mutilate?

[frosty gyro]

200 agi is pretty strong

[pearl meteor]

i suppose

[undone sandal]

Only bosses.

[frosty gyro]

You still use mutilate lol

[pearl meteor]

u shld ye

lmao

[frosty gyro]

Do you FoK vs 2 mobs?

[undone sandal]

nah, but I never pull 2 mobs.

[frosty gyro]

@ripe tendon https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sRrkbuLwtHfqxkHPKJvwR6

[ripe tendon]

its shwoing haste higher now :/

[frosty gyro]

I mean you still never linked the sim where it didn't

[ripe tendon]

think it was before i put mastery gems in everything

[pearl meteor]

🤔

[ripe tendon]

[frosty gyro]

mastery enchants

masterful navigation

Oh god

[quaint flare]

[undone sandal]

What about 340 SS vs 370 LM

still for m+

_Having so much problems simming for m+

[pearl meteor]

laser matrix?

go SS

[frosty gyro]

Why does like all your gear have sockets what is this shit

[pearl meteor]

i mean hes 346

🤷

[ripe tendon]

luckish?

[jovial goblet]

do you play any different with double dose

[frosty gyro]

Kinda not really

pool energy before casting envenom

Although you should already do that because of EP

[fading spade]

i havent seen a socket in my gear since i think the first week of the expac

[frosty gyro]

I have 2 sockets god bless

[desert vault]

Surprised this Plunderbeard's Flask didn't sim higher, weird

+154 haste with 1 min CD that increases agility by 982 for 10s

similar to Whirlwing's Plumage that is +crit and same bonus for 20s with 2 min CD

[frosty gyro]

I wonder how the APL does it

🤔

[desert vault]

I dunno, I got a 355 of the trinket from the WQ that was up today

I've got 355s of Dice, Fathoms, and that Plunderbeards. Dice + Fathoms stilll best by about 1%

[frosty gyro]

Yeah plunderbeard's doesn't have it's own APL

So it's probably a bit better than what it sims

Not a ton though I would guess

[desert vault]

hmm, yeah hard to say it looked pretty juice specially with the haste stat

[spice surge]

Can you link your sim?

[desert vault]

with the plunderbeard?

[spice surge]

ye

[frosty gyro]

Plunderbeard should be popped with exsang not vendetta

GC is only popped with vendetta because exsang snapshots haste

[desert vault]

oh I was simming with TB, true those trinkets are better for Exsang too

[spice surge]

It has 1 min cd not 45

[frosty gyro]

Oh with TB no idea how the apl does it 🤔

Probably pop with tb

[desert vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7fYkKAAFfPBphhCMgJvisY

[spice surge]

Exsang snapshotting haste would make it better to pop during it

Not worse

wtf

[frosty gyro]

APL still can't toxic blade properly

god bless

[desert vault]

i'm running another with Dice

[mint osprey]

!ss

Wait

DID WE DO IT?

ITS DEAD BABY

[spice surge]

What do you mean cant tb properly?

[frosty gyro]

Save us from bad APLs pls

[civic palm]

@marsh bloom ?

[frosty gyro]

Just because you can pandemic rupture doesn't mean you should

[desert vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mU8Kbq6nfjxEdcDigmA48t

[frosty gyro]

The apl uses rupture in tb a lot

[desert vault]

+150ish DPS with 355 Dice over the 355 Plunderbeard's

but I dunno .. that plunderbeard has my interest, might run it for heroic and see how it does

[marsh bloom]

I asked how to use elaborate planning and then you posted that

[desert vault]

I just don't understand how the +crit version of Plunderbeards with same on-use other than 1 min vs 2 min could be rated so much better on Herodamage. Seems like the 1 min CD would be better as well for using it in different situations

[civic palm]

Did you get your answer since then @marsh bloom ?

[spice surge]

All of your cooldowns are 2 mins

And the 2 min trinket has a stronger on-use

As it cant be used as frequently

[desert vault]

yeah, but if you are end of fight or something? Both give primary stat increase one for 10s and one for 20s

so next effect is the same basically?

[frosty gyro]

Yeah the APL for toxic blade seems to be kinda broken 🤔

[spice surge]

Your cooldowns last 20 seconds

So having 20 seconds of power is better than 10 seconds

[desert vault]

true true

was just thinking, it was interesting trinket for sure

[spice surge]

Stacking cooldowns is always stronger than using them individually

As they're multiplicative

Yea seems kinda wonky Kirvin

Ill see if i can find something

[desert vault]

let me swap to exsang and run with the trinket, see what it turns

[frosty gyro]

I think it might be SS opener with toxic blade

It seems like because the SS opener is g>r>g it pandemics the rupture instead of doing a 3rd envenom in the opener

Even though the rupture has like 7 seconds left

[pseudo finch]

Rezan fury doing 40k on a 5 min boss fight -.-

[frosty gyro]

Interesting an powerful traits 👌

I like the sound effect though

[spice surge]

SS opener has no impact on that tb though

As g-r-g is before vendetta & tb

[maiden onyx]

Hey guys - couldn't find this in the posted guide, but is there a soft cap for haste with sin?

[spice surge]

But yes, refreshing rupture there is prob not worth

No @maiden onyx

[maiden onyx]

ty

[frosty gyro]

yeah confirmed it with mine

Well the thing is if you aren't doing SS opener you don't have a rupture at 7 sec left there

[maiden onyx]

So haste is always king?

[desert vault]

With Exsang the Plunderbeard still a tiny bit behind Dice

[frosty gyro]

Basically what I mean is the apl is prioritizing pandemicing a 7 second rupture over using a 3rd envenom, and the 7 second rupture is there because of SS opener

[spice surge]

Ye why would it be better with exsang, it rarely lines up with the trinket elin

[frosty gyro]

Proper opener is 3rd envenom though

Same thing as GCB probably?

I mean you hold GCB for exsang the 3rd time right? 🤔

Hey this isn't what people are telling me to do 🤔

[dapper moat]

Hmm is dooms wake nowadays our bis trinket? Or does my cell just show it incorrect at bloodmallet?

[frosty gyro]

Not to mention garrote falls off at 2:29 and doesn't get reapplied until 2:32

Dem apls

[civic palm]

Seems fine actually.

Garrote outside of Empowerment is worse than a MUT or finisher, and you G G during Vanish/SUB window anyway so w/e.

[daring imp]

i think he meant the exs being cast w/o vanish garrote/vend up

the 2nd vendetta/vanish

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[safe matrix]

If you guys have well researched idea to improve the apl

That's what #tc-research is for

[frosty gyro]

GCB makes it work properly apparently

[heavy plover]

Hey guys just got back since end of Legion and want to play again, i see rogues on logs is split like 60/40 for Exsanguinate/TB, if i'm leveling/gearing would you guys recommend one or the other? Does one scale better with certain azerite etc? Thanks in advance

[north terrace]

Have to sim yourself to see what works best... generally SS makes Exs come out much better though

[heavy plover]

SS, is the garrote trait right, need to learn names again

[frosty gyro]

Yeah it depends on your azerite.

[heavy plover]

So I should use TB, if i'm working on gearing?

[frosty gyro]

probably doesn't matter

sim yourself

[lofty osprey]

do you guys prefer master assassin or subterfuge on zul?

[mortal warren]

On zul? Mythic or heroic?

[lofty osprey]

heroic

[frosty gyro]

Depens on if you have SS probably

[mortal warren]

^this

[frosty gyro]

Althoguh sub might just be better because of multitaget

Not sure

[languid ore]

@frosty gyro damn you're still going with this tb thing

[frosty gyro]

?

[languid ore]

🗣 it's used on cooldown! 🗣

[frosty gyro]

What?

I've never said it isn't

[languid ore]

You said the apl gotta be wrong

Because it's adding in rupture inbetween

[frosty gyro]

The APL is wrong on the opener at least

And it probably shouldn't be doing rupture in other places as well but that's harder to tell

[languid ore]

Post in research channel then

[frosty gyro]

I mentioned it to eleem

They said it's probably correct they do stuff with the apl

[languid ore]

Then why argue it

[frosty gyro]

I wasn't?

[languid ore]

If they're telling you it's correct

[frosty gyro]

I noticed and pointed it out

They said I was probably right

That was the end of it

until you started this

[languid ore]

But you still bring it up

That it might be wrong

[frosty gyro]

I just noticed it then?

[languid ore]

When you got your answer

[frosty gyro]

What?

[languid ore]

What's so confusing

[frosty gyro]

Are you talking about the conversation yesterday which was about something completely different

That you came into halfway

You can block people on discord right?

nice

[languid ore]

I'm talking about 50 messages ago

[frosty gyro]

Much better

[languid ore]

Lol.

Loser

[bright stump]

Ss bug fixed? Much more trash dps now?

[long osprey]

Yeah the SS bug is fixed

[civic palm]

Yes. No.

[dire spoke]

lol

[civic palm]

nolol, only answers

[dire spoke]

If you played SS "wrong" while the bug was there you do have more trash dps now

[civic palm]

Right.

and LOTS of it!!

[dire spoke]

--| |--

that much

[civic palm]

Mmm, dunno.

[faint harness]

Didnt gain much from the fix

[dapper moat]

Dooms wake bis trinket now? What have i missed?

[faint harness]

More garrotes

[civic palm]

0 more Garrotes in the opener, ~1 more Garrote during the ending window of the opener and your normal rotation.

Though a Rupture or ENV might be better in that situation given current health values

[fading spade]

wow

[devout laurel]

Hey guys, Im new to playing rogue. I was wondering if anyone could DM me and help me out with Addons and stuff. So stuff like UI layout help, Rotation Help, Addons for like Energy and Combo Points.
It would be greatly appreciated for any help 😄

[slender peak]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[harsh glacier]

!wa

Use one of those

Gg

[slender peak]

ooh so SS is actually fixed now? 😃

[warm mesa]

hey guys, i'm looking at herodamage.com for running m+ dungeon, i'm trying to figure out if 2x SS with 1x archive of the titans is better than 3x SS

[harsh glacier]

People say 3x ss is better still

But they'd be so close it probably comes down to preference

[warm mesa]

oO okay, thanks @harsh glacier

do you know why there are two instances of archive of the titans in the chart?

one is a 10x RA and the other is 5x RA

[nimble tartan]

Theres another that's no RA

It's to show you the value of the traits given weeks of stat gain

And then the regular archive is to show you what it's like after the 1st uldir trait

[marsh bloom]

crimson tempest or opison bomb for M+?

[warm mesa]

oo i didn't see that

thanks @nimble tartan

[harsh glacier]

Ct

PB seems real bad for m+

[civic palm]

PBOMB is fine in dungeons with low per pull mob counts.

[safe matrix]

PB is good for some tyrannical dungeons

But generally CT is superior most of the time

[harsh glacier]

Pulls have to be low pack size and also not spread and even then it's barely competitive

Maybe kings rest it pulls ahead

[marsh bloom]

use fan of knives with 2+ or 3+?

[torpid jackal]

3

[marsh bloom]

ty

[harsh glacier]

I don't even fok on 3

General usage rules are now:

1. Use Mutilate at 2 Targets always, swapping targets with Mutilate briefly if needed to reapply poisons to the second target (with or without Double Dose)
2. Use Fan of Knives any time a target doesn't have Deadly Poison at 3 targets (or 3-4 with 2+ Ranks of Double Dose), otherwise use Mutilate on your primary target
3. Use Fan of Knives spam at 4+ targets (or 5+ with 2+ Ranks of Double Dose)

That was posted in updates for the Sim usage

[civic palm]

Yerp.

[frosty gyro]

woooo

[harsh glacier]

Grats

[fading spade]

grats u sob

[civic palm]

I hope all of your tanks kite things into oblivion.

:3

[frosty gyro]

They do

It sucks

[fading spade]

T_T

[torpid jackal]

tanks suck

poison bomb and now galecaller

AAAALWAYS move shit out

[frosty gyro]

During that SotS run where I got the gcb

I asked the tank if they kited a lot

Because I had one on

[harsh glacier]

Yeah I have galecaller but feel it might be a dps loss due to tanks screwing it over in m+

[frosty gyro]

They said no and then poroceeded to run everywhere

[hard sonnet]

Lol yeah I hate that.

[faint harness]

How is it hard to find 10 sec

[harsh glacier]

Like I get it off for the full time like 80% of the time, but tanks like to move shit man 🤷

[civic palm]

No... :3

[final stone]

i heard doom howl trinket op??!

[civic palm]

huh?

[dapper moat]

Doom wake trinked got buffed?

[civic palm]

No?

[marsh bloom]

so crimson tempest over poison bomb?

[harsh glacier]

Yup for m+

[strange python]

For enchants does it matter which one goes on which hand

[civic palm]

No.

[strange python]

❤ Thanks

[civic palm]

👌

[fading hearth]

i feel like if i dont have ss im screwed

[sharp wren]

I have always used TB, but I found another piece of azerite that now gives me +2 to SS. After simming between TB and exsang, TB came out on top by < .1% on raidbots.....When does it make sense to use TB over exang and vice versa?

[harsh glacier]

At .1% play whichever one you feel more comfortable with in your rotation

[sharp wren]

ty

[late pasture]

is it best to only run one trait that gives reorginiation ray? or are they higher dps on their own

[vapid moth]

i really hate pbomb

like damn

2% of my damage every boss fight

[frosty gyro]

How many ilvs is socket worth on a trinket?

[hallow kraken]

How do you guys sim M+ stat weights on Raidbots?

[little sparrow]

4-6 targets unbuffed 40s

[heavy plover]

Still leveling for most m+ does sin run tempest, and bomb on lower trash keys?

[frosty gyro]

Yeah you can use bomb in lower keys

I also use bomb in like

Sethralis?

[heavy plover]

but do most people run tempest, cause i really enjoy it?

[harsh glacier]

I just feel like 2% boss damage is so low

[frosty gyro]

It's not just 2% boss damage lol

You also get aoe damage on packs

[harsh glacier]

tempest is a large portion of trash dps

[frosty gyro]

And consider that CT is a 5CP spender

SO you're getting more rupture/envenom damage with bomb

[harsh glacier]

PBomb does like 60k damage in a m+

[frosty gyro]

Idk what the breakpoint is

[harsh glacier]

its so bad

but yeah its hard to calculate what you sacrifice to cast a tempest

[steel nexus]

does opener differ any when using master assassin?

[frosty gyro]

It's usually around 2.5% which is more like 500-600k

[late pasture]

is it best to only run one trait that gives reorginiation ray? or are they higher dps on their own

[daring imp]

@steel nexus yea

[frosty gyro]

Depends

In M+ archive is really good

Also depends on what other traits you have available

[steel nexus]

what changes?

[frosty gyro]

You do a different opener

[steel nexus]

this is the place to ask questions and get answers no?

[frosty gyro]

If you don't know you can sim yourself and go to APL>sample Sequence Table and find the opener

[vapid moth]

all i know is. when thers a group of 10 mobs approaching id rather use garrote twice and CT than pray for PB

[frosty gyro]

Well that's obvious

We were talking about using PB in dungeons with smaller pulls

[vapid moth]

if there are 4 mobs the instantaneous damage from CT already does the same as ENvenom

so really we are talking about the 3 mobs or less

[frosty gyro]

Or on low level keys where trash dies fast

Also might be good to not use CT in SoB this week

So many stupid packs with like 2 elites and 5 non elites

Does anyone feel like that MA opener is off?

[craggy helm]

One big issue I have with CT is that it's totally useless ST right? Like, you would not use it at all for a boss fight.

[vapid moth]

pb damaeg still too fucking low

[craggy helm]

Unless I'm mistaken

[frosty gyro]

It seems like it would be better to TB before Vanish to get MA on 2 muts

[vapid moth]

@craggy helm yes but on those boss fights PB does like 2% of your dps anyway

[frosty gyro]

And avoid overcapping

[nimble tartan]

Honestly I'm never taking pb in a dungeon

[craggy helm]

2% is a decent amount though.

[vapid moth]

not really

[nimble tartan]

You gain 2 much with ct

Overall in the dungeon

[vapid moth]

^

[steel nexus]

ty for info kirvin

[vapid moth]

and its more fun

[frosty gyro]

Again it 100% depends on the dungeon and how your group runs it

[craggy helm]

Hmmmm.. I've been running PB, around 900 io score.... I've felt like I'm lacking tbh. Maybe I'll switch to CT

[frosty gyro]

CT is optimal for good groups that do big pulls

[craggy helm]

You just garrote 3, then CT, then individual ruptures?

[nimble tartan]

With every spec in this iteration of mythic + dungeons with no gear swaps it's a balancing game of aoe and ct

St

Dont also forget the value of fok into ct spam in aoe as well it's very potent on bigger pulls

[frosty gyro]

Also don't forget there are logs

Looking at logs for +10s there's a good mix of PB and CT

[craggy helm]

Didn't know people logged M+

[frosty gyro]

Weirdly there's more PB on bolstering

what's up with that

[craggy helm]

People prob just like me and simming PB as better.

It's also easier to use ofc

[frosty gyro]

CT is no doubt better if you have high communication and a really good tank

And a frost mage

But for your average pug run with cc on infested and smaller pulls PB might end up being better

[nimble tartan]

I'd say it's a minority of players that log mythic+ it's just doesnt have the same urgency to log like raiding does going over the list of rogues I dont see any of the big boys I know on there

[frosty gyro]

Well I mean just changing to to keystone 15

Here's the #1 clear of a 15 atal by a sin

Using PB

World 82 rogue in M+

1462 io

That's world 48 rogue

[nimble tartan]

Ye I just personally would never run that setup if I were going for big keys

[quasi ledge]

Fuck all AoE in some dungeons, and prio damage on certain mobs is more useful coming from a Rogue. Waste of time using CT.

[frosty gyro]

Like I said if you are going for huge pulls with a good tank and a frost mage where you are AOEing everything

Yeah CT is better

In most cases it's not going to matter too much either way and will depend more on dungeon and group pull style

I still run CT in most dungeons

Just a few exceptions

[nimble tartan]

You're not getting prio damage with PB you want your prio damage to be a little more reliable and what's not reliable about exsanging another bleed on a prio target when u can also get value in aoe

[round harbor]

^

I don't take exsang cause I don't like it, but it's very good with CT

[frosty gyro]

I mean not really? 🤔 barely adds any dps when you exsang ct

[quasi ledge]

But using CT is a global you could be using on an Envenom, more prio ST damage

[frosty gyro]

And you don't get VW from it

And you then lose CT and don't reapply it for a while to that mob so the exsang doesn't matter

Unless you're on a pull so big you're spamming CT

Instead of reapplying when it drops

[quasi ledge]

For stuff like a 15 you also need ST damage, not just everyone going full AoE

[frosty gyro]

Eh I'd say the higher you go the worse PB is but people still use it

Because people who run higher keys are organized and do big pulls

[steel nexus]

snapshotting dots isnt a thing anymore right? they update?

[frosty gyro]

Yep

[steel nexus]

dumb

[frosty gyro]

Exsang snapshots haste though

[round harbor]

CT works in non organized groups too

[frosty gyro]

Which is why GCB is so good

[steel nexus]

gotcha

[frosty gyro]

I mean it does it's just far less effective

[round harbor]

Howao

How so

[strange python]

I have a 330 chest that has SS but just got a 355 chest with super bad traits from pvp like flag and blades

which one is better?

355 sims better but idk

[frosty gyro]

Most pugs I run with are very cautious of infested and do a lot of ccing and smaller pulls

Less value on ct

[runic garden]

For Dungeons SS

[frosty gyro]

Again I still use CT in most dungeons

[round harbor]

Maybe

[frosty gyro]

Just skip sokmewhere the infested makes pulls small usually 1-2 mobs

[round harbor]

From my view my tank and group knows how to deal with infested generally

[frosty gyro]

Yeah but if the way they deal with infested is ccing it and pulling 2 mobs

[round harbor]

We generally cc, then pull like 3-4 infested together

[safe matrix]

There are 3 things that snapshot in the dk rogue kit

[round harbor]

For sure the meta is pull two mobs then the single infested tho lol

[frosty gyro]

Yeah you can do that

Haven;'t seen a single pug do it

[round harbor]

That's the reason for like 50% of depletes

[safe matrix]

Garrote with subterfuge, bleeds with nightstalker, and exsang snapshots based on current haste

[frosty gyro]

Pugs aren't that coordinated

And the person who originally asked the question isn't even doing infested

[round harbor]

Yeah

Some tanks are tho

[frosty gyro]

He was asking about pb vs ct in low keys where trash dies fast

so CT doesn't get full value

[round harbor]

Most tanks over 1.2 are decent

And understand game mechanics

[frosty gyro]

Most people aren't pugging groups over 1.2k running high keys

[nimble tartan]

I think its obvious that smaller pulls the value of ct isnt as good as big juicy thicc pulls but I dont see PB even beating ct in 2-3 either idk where PB fits in on dungeons other than pure st for bosses and then for me the gain from that isnt so hot

[frosty gyro]

logs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble tartan]

Either way PB isnt even bad it's fine I just dont see it working for me and from how I view sin in m+

[safe matrix]

PB is good on like tyrannical KR

Where the pulls are pretty small and you want boss damage

[round harbor]

Yeah I don't ever take CT in KR even fort

No pulls are really over 3-4 mobs

Other than blobs

[safe matrix]

Also whenever people talk about pb being "only" 2% of damage

That's free damage

CT takes combo points

A lot of people don't consider that, even if it's still suboptimal

[lone junco]

ct can own the slimes at least

[frosty gyro]

Yeah and the 2% damage is from sim not taking into account AOE PB

[safe matrix]

Jk

[round harbor]

Lmao

I was bout to say

[safe matrix]

I always get that and blood potion mixed up in my head

Cause they're very similar effects

[round harbor]

What is the F.R.I.E.D. ITEM?

[safe matrix]

I need coffee >.>

[round harbor]

I'm on cell phone and can't look it up

[cerulean walrus]

It's an engineering bomb

[round harbor]

Aoe dmg?

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah

[round harbor]

I'll have to look into that. I dropped engi for enchanting for all the shit m+ loot I can de

[strange python]

its about 10-15k but the annoying thing about it is the cast time

[round harbor]

But with gnomish knife, fried, Jeeves and bres in 8.1 I may have to go back

[strange python]

i think its a poor mans dps potion for low keys

[round harbor]

Nah those are prolonged

I'm on my last 400

[gusty yoke]

only recently started wow and kinda out off it on traits

do i still want shrouded suffocation x3? or the nerfs to hard

[strange python]

the best thing about being an engineer, ive found, is the knockback belt enchant

very useful for interrupt and repositioning

[round harbor]

http://imgur.com/t4ubdt0

What this

[strange python]

its fried but slightly more damage and its a dot

[vapid moth]

do yall use CT on zekvoz

[marsh bloom]

Crimson tempest deals more damage than envenom?

even at single target?

[daring imp]

well

they deal the same damage

BUT

[vapid moth]

zekvoz isnt completely single target

[daring imp]

envenom buffs poison application

so for st, envenom wins out

@marsh bloom nice nickname btw lul

[marsh bloom]

if crimson tempest was just used and theres 2 targets and I don't have to reapply poisons should I just envenom?

or even 3 targets

or is it worth using again for the 3k damage? instantly+ added bleed time

[daring imp]

i pop ct instead of envenom when at 3+ targets

no clue if on that specific scenario with 2 targets it would be better to ct

[lone junco]

ct hit alone is worth more than an env at about 6t.

[daring imp]

maybe so if you will take a while to pop ct again and will refresh other bleeds instead because by then it will have ticked a large part of its dot dmg

[lone junco]

so early refresh is fine in larger packs, but at 3t. i would def be using Env

3 g 3 r and ct up? env or wait for something to fall off without capping e

[weary hare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[marsh bloom]

did I hear only use crimson target if there is 6+ targets?

[lone junco]

no

ct is 12 sec

[marsh bloom]

crimson tempest when there is 2+ over envemon?

[lone junco]

so once you have garrotes out. and ruptures out and ct is out.

[vapid moth]

i use ct instead of envenom at 4 targets

[marsh bloom]

just wait

[lone junco]

then when you have all that, and then 5cps. you can either use env. use ct. or wait a bit

[vapid moth]

5*

[marsh bloom]

at how mnay targets do I use CT 😦

[lone junco]

but that is for uptime only

[marsh bloom]

ok

then just envenom if i'm gonna cap on energy

if everything is up

[lone junco]

right.

[marsh bloom]

crimsom tempest after garrote rupture right?

as in like priority

of bleleds

[daring imp]

if you have shrouded suffocation traits

i'd open with garrote > garrote > garrote > crimson tempest

for multitarget

[marsh bloom]

I don't have suffocation

[daring imp]

then you are a bit screwed for multitarget

triple garrote then rupture, then you spam fok/ct/rupture/env

[marsh bloom]

rupture 3 targets

[ruby steeple]

shrouded suffocation

[daring imp]

four bleeds should be enough to supply enough energy for a bit, no need to spread all ruptures from the start

i'd recommend getting shrouded suffocation traits tho

[strange python]

feels like there is so much rng with the initial aoe setup

if you get full cp on your first fok i might go for ct first

i can get ruptures after that without being screwed energy wise

[gusty yoke]

@daring imp would you say only go for 1 shroud trait? (have 1 shroud 2 double dose rn) not sure if i should try and go for 3 shroud or not

[strange python]

try to sim 60 sec hectic add cleave

thats what i do to get a decent idea of trash pack dps

[daring imp]

for m+ go for 3x SS

or a mix of SS and scent of blood

[marsh bloom]

i'm trying

so fucking hard

[daring imp]

hectic add cleave isn't that decent to sim, it'd be better to do 3~6 targets, for 40s~1min depending on week/how high the key is

patchwerk or light movement

[gusty yoke]

oh alright so the nerfs to SS were not enough to make us stop stacking it

[daring imp]

ye ss still great for cleave/multi target

where you can have restealths constantly

a.k.a. m+

[gusty yoke]

i guess for raids you would wants double dose then right?

[daring imp]

ideally you want 1x uldir trait and 2x dd, all 385

but ... well ... good luck on that :X

[gusty yoke]

yeah i just got chest with dd 370

wich replaces a 355 chest with ss

[daring imp]

for raiding, the sim is pretty accurate on what's best ( or usually best ) for the traits/talents combo you have

[gusty yoke]

alright thanks ❤

i got very confused when i saw bloodmallet rank ss nearly the lowest

[daring imp]

those are for raiding

for single target it isn't as good as before

but multitarget is another world entirely

[gusty yoke]

alright many thanks

[cerulean magnet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[marsh bloom]

I've literally only been doing underrot/shrine/freehold @daring imp

I've done aleast 20 total

and nothing

[round rover]

What's the best Rupture usage in M+? Dot up a maximum of 3 with 2-3cp to boost energy regen? Depending on how long they'll live.

Right now I've been mostly just using 1 rupture on my primary target and spending remaining cp on CT, for aoe.

[marsh bloom]

It says it only does 400 bonus damge on garote?

thast not much is it?

[round rover]

See a similar topic was discussed not too far up in the channel, got most of what I need from there :)

Cheers

[marsh bloom]

so crimson after my 3 garrotes?

or 3 garrotes 3 ruptures then crimson?

[pastel wasp]

G G G CT Rupt

always

[normal flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[urban garden]

why ppl still use one shroud trait is ti cuz of combo points ?

[exotic ice]

guys should I always line up exang with gale callers boon?

and how do I use exang after the opener? just refresh dots no matter the duration and slam exang?

[harsh glacier]

Why does my'das talisman sim so bad? I got a 380 one :/

I guess its just bad

[round harbor]

Just read it

It's garbage

[harsh glacier]

Im just getting annoyed with tanks moving away from my galecaller

there are some fights in m+ where I feel I get no value out of it

shrine 2nd boss, td 3rd boss etc

[torpid jackal]

yea i'm thinking of running dice+fathoms on those

vs dice+galecaller on everything else

[languid ore]

theres a reason tanks are moving around more

a lot of them get trucked way more this xpac then before

a decent tank kites

some of the time

you really have to play different roles to see for yourself

[hazy sphinx]

What are yall doing for mythic zekvoz?

[pastel wasp]

sub

[hazy sphinx]

Going full single target and ignore the padding or go CT?

[pastel wasp]

lol

SUBBBBBBBBB

otherwise i go CT, cos my raid AOE damage sux

but yea, Sectech

[hazy sphinx]

I'm thjinking of just going outlaw again for it.

Wasnt doing too bad. But we are lacking the single target dmg.

[autumn jacinth]

weapon enchants?

all the guides say crit/haste

attack speed isnt important?

[quaint flare]

[errant mauve]

When I sim, my fathoms and galecallers Dom higher than dice and galecallers

Is it reading wrong or are my stats just different from everyone else’s to the point my trinkets are dimming like that

[fickle lion]

on large pulls on high M+ keys, do you scent multiple mobs or just whatever your primary is

[young meteor]

Scent?

[fickle lion]

rupture sorry

was reading too many azerite traits

lol

[young meteor]

Yeah. I throw rupture on 3-4.

Open G on 3 targets, CT, fok to rupture. Keep Ct up and try fok env whatever had the highest health

@autumn jacinth you need to sin yourself to see what's highest. Probably will be haste/crit. You don't want the same enchant on both weapons.

[worldly pelican]

!ss

[mystic wraith]

When you multidot, how do you keep track which garrote(s) is empowered, and which is not?

Is there a special WA to do this?

[daring imp]

remember the mob you casted it

or use mizerok's WA

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[frosty gyro]

Pay attention

[worldly pelican]

do you guys line up your second vendetta and 3rd exsang with vanish?

or since they cooldown around 15 seconds apart, do you use them as they're ready?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y8Rf9A27tCmkWvaG#fight=last

[buoyant ember]

I meant to screen shot it the other day... but what is the opener for ma ep again? G, m, r vanish, ven, tb, env right?

[daring imp]

vanish ven tb mut env no?

or ven before vanish

not sure

[frosty gyro]

sim does g m r ven van tb env mut yeah

[daring imp]

but pretty sure it's tb mut env on opening, env mut env on the ones after it

[frosty gyro]

Although I have a feeling vanish after tb is better

[daring imp]

ven van tb env makes env have 1~2cp

[frosty gyro]

it would be tb van mut env mut env

Instead of getting tb mut and env on MA you get 2x mut and env

Seems like that would be better 🤔

[daring imp]

why not two env on MA? @_@"

[hollow jungle]

Zek’voz easy mode as assassin w/ CT.

[frosty gyro]

Sim opener doesnt have 2 env in MA

[hollow jungle]

Idk why you’d go anything else unless you were desperate for add dmg and went outlaw

[daring imp]

you sure it has 2 mut tho?

[frosty gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/498646546946981888/Untitled.png

It has tb mut and env in MA

instead of 2x mut or 2x env

[daring imp]

and the ones after it?

2nd, 3rd, etc.

[frosty gyro]

idk didn't check

was just looking at opener

idk if anyone has bothered testing the difference too generic to search tc research

oof doesn't look like apl is really set up for MA

Or wait maybe that's because this has SS in it 🤔

gonna sim one with dd and see how that affects it

[daring imp]

probably it's a ttk thing but on mine the 2nd, 3rd and onwards were all env>mut>env

no ss's

[frosty gyro]

Yeah the 2nd and 3rd are all env/mut

It's just weird that the opener uses MA on TB

Especially since it goes TB>Mut which is potential 6 CP

Actually pretty likely with MA

[daring imp]

well with 75% crit the odds of getting 6cp are pretty low tho

( MA + regular ~25%ish crit )

on 3 hits

2 from mut and one from tb

[frosty gyro]

42% chance

[daring imp]

maybe to push the tb cd faster? dunno

i mean, it follows "tb on cd" on sim

[frosty gyro]

Well you would use TB at the same time

The only cd affected would be vanish

[errant mauve]

Is CT the consensus for M+? As far as dps goes?

[frosty gyro]

1sec later

Not really it depends on how you're pulling

Either one is fine really unless you're pulling large packs and then ct becomes a clear winner

And there are some dungeons where ct or pb is better or worse

check logs

[bright shale]

Finally in the 15k club boys

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cymjQZH2kXxuPuVKwKaiS6

[daring imp]

ewww frenetic corpuscle

[marsh bloom]

How do you guys sim for M+?

I'm thinking about doing 3 bosses 1 minute patchwekr

[daring imp]

40s~1min, 3 to 6 targets

[frosty gyro]

You don't but people will tell you all sorts of jank

[daring imp]

depends on week, your tank, stuff ...

[marsh bloom]

stuff

ez

[daring imp]

yea well, is your tank good, is your comp good, is your healer good, can you go crazy because you have bress, is there bolstering

[marsh bloom]

Wouldn't it be better to put 1 rupture on then CT?

[daring imp]

too much stuff

[marsh bloom]

literally just did a +5 where I was doing 11k and our 360 mage was doing4k

actual aids

[daring imp]

gets better the more SS's you have

[marsh bloom]

MUST BE NICE

literally 3 days of only doing 3 dungeons

and nothing yet :/

[daring imp]

well you actually only do one each on m0

azerite gear doesn't drop from m+

[marsh bloom]

om

fg

NICE

[daring imp]

what? @_@"

you knew it?

[marsh bloom]

NOPE

LOL

LITERALLY DOING THOSE 3 DUNGEONS LIKE +2 +3 +4 FOR 3 DAYS

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[daring imp]

LUL

get the better of it, do only leather comps

so they can funnel you the goods

also i think the pvp rewards

from 2nd week ( after you cap the 500 conquest from 1st reward, you get +500 for the 2nd week reward )

gives 355 chest with SS on it

[marsh bloom]

just from getting the conquest points?

cause I get thet outlaw weapon for reaching the conquest cap

[daring imp]

yea you're on the 2nd week then

check the reward from getting 500 conquest

[marsh bloom]

the outlaw weapon..

how do I check any other reward?

[daring imp]

it's the 2nd week one

you're on the 1st one

it's

i think

weapon > chest

then legs > waist > shoulder

[marsh bloom]

do you get conquest from random bgs? or still just arena

rated arena*

[daring imp]

i'm fairly sure 1st win gives you like 40 conquest

1st win of the day*

not sure doing more than one win on the same day rewards on random bgs tho

i cap mine on rbgs

base sit and pray for a good team

[marsh bloom]

lol

sub or ass?

sin* lol

[daring imp]

or go steathy stealth to cap some bases with smoke* bomb/deeper stratagem/7s kidney shot

sin

first off do the 3 dgs

on m0 difficulty

[marsh bloom]

I only have freehold ledft to do

[daring imp]

then check if you get unlucky and don't get the chest