assassination

[north terrace]

@strange python no I wouldnt. 3 stack ss with exs is 16.4k on herodamage, and 3 stack dd with ma/tb is 16.5k

[civic palm]

Sharpened Blade is shit use your noodle.

[north terrace]

So... very small difference

[strange python]

@north terrace I can already tell u that 1 archive +2ss/2dd is simming more

[lone junco]

@atomic abyss top gear is probably a good choice.

[strange python]

than stacking either of those

🤷

You don't really stack traits for raids

Unless they do the most dmg

[spice iron]

Is there a way to disable stealth bar with standard UI?

[atomic abyss]

so, you'd say a 385 with SB > 370 with Matrix ST by 500 dps?

that actually makes no sense.

[grizzled harness]

3stacks are nonsense on raid ye

[lone junco]

@spice iron just put the same skills on stealth and standard bars.

in the same spot. gg done

[grizzled harness]

^

Old way

[long osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[north terrace]

You are stacking 2 still and the damage difference between archive + 2ss or archive + 2dd is still minor.

And you dont stack raid traits

[lone junco]

only thing that has no business on un-stealth is cheapshot

[strange python]

nvm

😄

[gentle yarrow]

When did Shrouded Suffocation fall off the top azerite trait spot for assassination?

[civic palm]

and like... uhhh...

[atomic abyss]

1 matrix + 1 archive + 1 ss should give best sim ST

[civic palm]

When it was nerfed by 40%.

[grizzled harness]

About 3weeks ago

[lone junco]

@gentle yarrow when sim has MA , ss is shit

[strange python]

@atomic abyss no lmao

[lone junco]

it needs subterfuge

[civic palm]

Requires SUB yeah.

[gentle yarrow]

it didnt used to though

[sacred zenith]

@strange python well argued 😃

[north terrace]

@atomic abyss no it won't lol. You only want 1 matrix or archive. Not one of each

[grizzled harness]

Oh yeah are you rolling MA without SS now?

[strange python]

@sacred zenith Im not even talking to you 🤷

[north terrace]

Yes

[sacred zenith]

@strange python im still reading an open chat.

[lone junco]

MA.

[atomic abyss]

@north terrace so you're saying just 1 archive, basically. as it's better than matrix ST

[lone junco]

use an archive and some st shit. with TB

[strange python]

Matrix vs Archive are basically the same dps in raid

Maybe 20 dps difference

[ember ermine]

Did sims account for the bug?

prior to patch

[civic palm]

What bug?

That influenced DPS?

[lone junco]

Yeha, you can see the length of the 2nd archive and second matrix is a bit shorter than the other st dps.

[grizzled harness]

So the diff between 2SS+Sub and 2DD+MA is about 0.25% ?

[lone junco]

SS bug was not accounted for in sims. ever. it garroted normally

[north terrace]

Yeah archive and laser are close enough

[tropic hull]

glad they fixed bug

[ember ermine]

Thanks Noobe

[lone junco]

It did not do GGG tho

and thats probably because the apl is written from a 5min view

and that doesnt matter

[ember ermine]

Yeah.

[lone junco]

but for 20s-45s it matters a lot.

big brainy crafting

[grizzled harness]

So are you playing TB with MA/2DD ?

[lone junco]

I need an emote for blatant opinions

[grizzled harness]

TB*

[lone junco]

yeah Tb

[ember ermine]

[tough egret]

am i popping galecaller's before exsang?

[strange python]

yes

[lucid bolt]

hey guys sorry dumb question but yesterday i did a mythic shrine and didnt get galecaller

when can i run it again for the chance to get it ?

[grizzled harness]

Next week for M0

[lone junco]

@lucid bolt Mythic 2-15 yes

not m0

m0 is weekly

@tough egret be quick with it, if you are moving. dont want to lose the snapshot on exang.

[lucid bolt]

ohhh shit okay thanks noobe

[lone junco]

I have a macro to hit GC!EXANG!

wheee

[grizzled harness]

You're thanking a dude that answered "yes" to your "when?" question tho

[strange python]

I use dice because most tanks I run with have ADHD

[lone junco]

@grizzled harness I did think your avi, was a dancing shrimp in a top hat. i see now it is a dog eating bacon

[grizzled harness]

Ahaha yeah 😄

That would be a huge tophat

[lone junco]

https://media.tenor.com/images/b1320635fa4d74214a2046200fcc9624/tenor.gif

[lucid bolt]

holy fuck how did they train that thing to do that

is that real?

@lone junco next dumb question, can i run a mythic 2 shrine over and over but do i have to keep going up in order for a chance of loot?

[grizzled harness]

I don't understand

You can do as much shrine as you want

As long as you've got the keys for it

[lucid bolt]

like i can run +2 over and over?

[lone junco]

@lucid bolt no. if someone has that key, you can run it again. so you can use group finder for low shrine keys.

[lucid bolt]

man i never do mythic + but i better start

im using fathoms and construct overcharge

so shitty

[grizzled harness]

Fathoms' OP

[lucid bolt]

really? on bloodmallet its ranked low though

[grizzled harness]

I still can't change it

[lucid bolt]

unless im reading that site wrong its fucking confusing

[grizzled harness]

It's better than most 365- trinkets

[lucid bolt]

daaaaaaaaaaaaang

ok im glad i have it then still cost me a lot though :.(

im so fucking poor

[grizzled harness]

It's low can it can only be 355

But if you compared only the white lines

[sick monolith]

fathoms probably best ST trinket but people switch it out for dice cause of the random boons in high mythics help more on cleave

[strange python]

no its not best ST trinket

[karmic ingot]

Fathoms is 355. Look at most of the “higher” ranked trinkets. They are lower than fathoms at 355.

[grizzled harness]

Galecaller's only the one toping it

At equivalent ilvl

[strange python]

yeah there are a lot of trinket that are better than fathoms

they just need to be high ilvl

[karmic ingot]

Yep, very few are better until 370+ or so.

[lone junco]

and even then, you get 2 trinkets

ayy

[grizzled harness]

I need better Dices

[lone junco]

I would love to ditch fathoms for fat dice in M+ tho

[grizzled harness]

My 365's siming lower

[strange python]

when im pooling energy does that just mean get like 4-5 combo points wait until 100ish energy then do a double envenmon for the +10% damage on the 2nd one?

[grizzled harness]

The 10% dmg is dynamic

[lone junco]

@ember ermine for M+ ss subterfuge, try 6t 40s. with just the buffs you want.

[grizzled harness]

Applies to Bleeds

[sick monolith]

just got a Warfogred 375 Band of the anciet dredger.

[ember ermine]

Thanks @lone junco

[lone junco]

what you should see is a gain on crit. and that SS is better than damn near anything else.

even at a very high ilvl delta

[ember ermine]

I have 3x SS

so rip

[lone junco]

but when you sim stuff, remember that low % values are going to slide into personal preference.

more like yay

[ember ermine]

Lol

[lone junco]

g g g ct g r exang fok fok r fok fok r fok fok ct.

and dance while your team tries to keep up at 22k

gc goes in there before the exang.

[grizzled harness]

Ahaha

[lone junco]

and vendetta goes on baddies

but yeah

[strange python]

Fuck I wanna do m+

[strange python]

but I got uni tomorrow

😦

[lone junco]

not the most productive work day tbh

[sick monolith]

gc = galecallers?

[strange python]

yes

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7EPoTVC6TAtxrGq8JB1qpR

🤔

Scent instead of SS

[lone junco]

i want 2ss 1 scent

but at 340 - 370 it is still ss

[ember ermine]

Wait you run GCB in M+?

I was told not to

lol

[lone junco]

wot

[strange python]

the SS is 300 dps lower

hmmm

[lone junco]

g g g ct gc

if you can stay in the GC, it buffs 3x g. if you hit exang your snapshot is locked on the baddy.

AND.

you can stack crit mastery + gc. and still have enough haste from GC for the prio exang.

[ember ermine]

I know that but with how my tanks are I never stand in GCB long enough

[lone junco]

minimum, you want to tag GC/EXANG

[ember ermine]

Fight style PW or Addcleave

[lone junco]

to snap it.

6t 40s patchwerk.

turn off the buffs as discussed

[ember ermine]

👌

[lone junco]

@strange python 15ilvl to scent is not horrible.

there is def a transition to scent with the higher Target count, but I bet at 3T the SS is >>>

[strange python]

Yeah but this week is bolstering

[grizzled harness]

They just stacked Archives buffs on first pack before putting the key in

Damn that's smart

I never thought about it

[lone junco]

yeah. did you see the vid with 14dk. all summon pets. reset boss. then summoned pets again

for super pet zerg

[tranquil dust]

archive

or laser

for m+?

im using 2xss

[grizzled harness]

Ahaha people are awesome

[steel geyser]

@lone junco what do you mean by "still have enough haste for the prior exang"?

[grizzled harness]

I'm guessing Archives

Cuz you're always high stacks

[strange python]

go laser if u want to pull random mobs

🤠

[grizzled harness]

^ that too

[vocal harbor]

can you parry with daggers?

[strange python]

well changed to 4t 40 sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89M6PEf9LMeY7Stb8JTppT

But still ,the golden plumage

[lone junco]

@steel geyser I mean. that Haste is bis for ST. Crit / Mastery is bis for AOE.

If you use GC, you are packing a ton of haste into your ST exang. and it helps make up for your stat shift for aoe.

[mighty yew]

Do you use CT on 2+ or 3+ targets?

[strange python]

3+

[lone junco]

uptime only on 2+ i believe. the early refresh before ENV is at 5-6T

can read the apl for that ct line tho

[steel geyser]

I see.

[compact void]

Hey guys , is SS still worth on mm+ ?

[lone junco]

@strange python the problem with that plumage is the 2mincd.

[strange python]

yeah

[lone junco]

if your packs are 1min apart gc exang is really good

[strange python]

I still like to run m+ with fathoms and dice

[lone junco]

# Crimson Tempest only on multiple targets at 4+ CP when running out in 2s (up to 4 targets) or 3s (5+ targets) actions.dot+=/crimson_tempest,if=spell_targets>=2&remains<2+(spell_targets>=5)&combo_points>=4

targets > = 2

uptime only, 4cp+

[tawdry canyon]

do yall still tend to stack 3x SS or do you just run 1 for the CP bonus, or do you just not even use it anymore? coming back to my rogue after a 2-3 week break

[lone junco]

M+ is good for 3x. most in raid uses 1x if any.

[strange python]

I dont use any SS in raid

[tawdry canyon]

ill prob be doing more m+ than raid

[sick monolith]

wheres that video posted the other day of the guy doing like a +18 as sin rogue and keying it.

[tawdry canyon]

i dont raid w a guild i just pug for gear

[dark token]

i use 2xSS 1xarchive

[tawdry canyon]

and m+ with friends

[dark token]

for raid

really people dont pick traits

its whatever 385s blizz elects to give them

[lone junco]

I use 3ss for m+, and archive +2ss. for raid. but it depends on your highest sim

[strange python]

Hmm

Actually runnig 1 archive +2SS doesnt sound bad

Considering my archive is 370

[lone junco]

i have 370 arc. 370 ss . and a floater. 370 blood rite is my winner, but im not excited by that one.

it is like a 0.1% gain over 340 ss shoulder

[strange python]

fuck

is there like a command

That takes restealth into consideration?

for simming

[exotic glen]

no

they're building a profile for it atm

but we have no idea when its done

[inland rune]

I'm pretty sure they created a hacky solution

Also sorry cargo I switched to a meme dog aswell ._.

[ember ermine]

How bad of an idea is it to run 2 on use trinkets in m+ @lone junco

[dark token]

eh

run one slot dice/azeroks/spyglass

the other slot galecallers/plumage/dooms wake

[ember ermine]

Nice I have GCB and Azeroks

[tawdry canyon]

im looking at blood mallet but it shows DD as highest general sim, does that actually hold true for some people? most people dont seem to run it

[mighty yew]

Are all our bleeds live updating from haste buffs? Nothing is snapshotting, right?

[ember ermine]

Snapshots are with exsag and gcb

[mighty yew]

Yeah yeah, but other than that it doesn't matter?

[dark token]

@tawdry canyon DD is only available from m+ cache

[inland rune]

Only things that snapshot with haste is exsang

[dark token]

most people dont run it because they havent been blessed by blizz

archive and SS are available from raid

guess what most people run

;)

[mighty yew]

Running archive+dd+ss atm

[desert vault]

Just curious if anyone is around like 355 to 360 and what kind overall numbers for m+ I should expect. Think I've been around 11k overall average or so.

[tawdry canyon]

@dark token thank you for the info

[ember ermine]

I run arc dagger and ss

[high nova]

is it save to refresh SS empowered Garrote in pandemic window?

[nimble tartan]

Am i big dumb i have 385 ss but i run my 385 sharpened chest still for sin kkona

Sims like 150dps higher 🤤

[zenith cedar]

uhhh

wat

[nimble tartan]

For raid

[zenith cedar]

sharp blades is really not very strong without stacking

and it also loses value on any and all movement fights

every loss AA lowers the value of SB considerably

[amber trench]

i think any fight where you can ss garrote multiple targets during vanish it will be better than sharpened

[nimble tartan]

This is true but if i were to put chest on id have to play EXSANG

im mongo tb

[zenith cedar]

Not really ..

tb works just fine with SS

and is barely a dps loss

[exotic glen]

@inland rune as long as its just a picture of a dog ill still be happy seeing it

[zenith cedar]

in most fights TB will still outperform due to weird timings and add phases

[nimble tartan]

I show u i have bookmark top gear let me show u u help me burgah ok

[zenith cedar]

wat

[dark token]

omr i h8 u

https://i.imgur.com/Uw34x4E.png

[nimble tartan]

Wooo haha

Just get 390 weapon bro

[dark token]

i have one

with a socket

bro

[prime void]

Omr plays sin. Now that's gross

[nimble tartan]

I play all

[prime void]

Poorly

:)

[nimble tartan]

Check zul mythic rank

Respect me

[neon chasm]

anyone know what traits are best for pvp?

[prime void]

Zul mythic

[zenith cedar]

Zul is a pad fight

[prime void]

Yikes

[zenith cedar]

lol

[nimble tartan]

I wish outlaw was HOT

[dark token]

it is if u dream

[nimble tartan]

what its not a pad fight i got r1 boss damage!!!

[prime void]

Outlaw is HOT. It's spicy man

[zenith cedar]

if ur ranking on Zul ur probably hurting ur raid

[nimble tartan]

No thats wrong lol

[zenith cedar]

boss dmg yeah sure thats ok

[prime void]

Not really burgah

Tf

[zenith cedar]

but if ur ranking overall

[nimble tartan]

R1 both

Because i big brained

[prime void]

Not really padding in that fight. When you have to dump the boss lol

[sick monolith]

man wtf do people sell 37 haste enchants for like 5k. Umbra shards only cost 200g each lol.

[prime void]

Buying out the market and reposting

[nimble tartan]

Ive never put a 37 enchant on my rings b4

[dark token]

just be russia

https://i.imgur.com/t53qD7s.png

[nimble tartan]

Ye but he not outlaw on zul

[dark token]

theres not a single

non sub parse

on zul

[nimble tartan]

Im waiting for world first outlaw and sin

[dark token]

for rogue

[prime void]

98- yikes

[sick monolith]

i cannot stand outlaw.

[exotic glen]

MIZUXE

MY

BOI

[prime void]

Sup cutie

[exotic glen]

been watching your stream lately

almost got fetid, gj

[prime void]

I see you hiding in there! Yeah we have a shit raid team this tier. It's actually super disappointing

[dark token]

well

i tried @nimble tartan

https://i.imgur.com/4C2WEBU.png

[nimble tartan]

Lmaao

[prime void]

What are you playing for myth omr

[nimble tartan]

Sin

[prime void]

Yikes :(

[nimble tartan]

What do u want me to play

[prime void]

With me

[nimble tartan]

Aww

[civic palm]

Warlock.

[prime void]

Need more educated people in #outlaw

[civic palm]

O _O

[ionic charm]

Educated people don’t play outlul for reasons

[ember ermine]

I only can play with peoples emotions :/

[nimble tartan]

I play outlaw in m+ i think its underrated

I think its huge actually

[prime void]

Acting like outlaw is bad is pretty stupid tbh

Considering it's extremely strong on multiple bosses lol

And destroys in keys

[ionic charm]

Bad? No, just frustrating and annoying to play. Very strong on Zek, and trash damage in keys

[lone junco]

I'm bored of SS m+. Might fire up the DS outlaw.

[prime void]

Pumps on bosses too. And it's only frustrating and annoying if you can't manage when to roll properly

[nimble tartan]

Naw i think its real good in keys i was running double ace outlaw shit was insane

[prime void]

Ie using your brain :)

[lone junco]

High dps with low effort. :yawn:

[nimble tartan]

I need triple ace

[civic palm]

Yeah not playing Dancing Steel in M+ is a poor choice O _O"

[prime void]

It's great noobe!

[lone junco]

I love Mark so much.

[civic palm]

DS triple Snek ezpz

[lone junco]

Feels bad not paying it.

Ace?

Hrrm.

[prime void]

Snek is actually.... Meh

[inland rune]

@prime void what do you sim for

I need to know if I'm on pace

I only am at 15.3 for 373 ilvl

I feel like I'm behind the curve

[lone junco]

Since we pull 3-5. Sin will be a monster forever.

[prime void]

Yeah youre behind the curve

[inland rune]

Yikes

I think I'm hung up on traits

[lone junco]

I'm 14.8 at 360.

[inland rune]

No DD or SS

[prime void]

My rogue is 2 reoriginations and 350 neck - 370 ilvl 15.6k

[inland rune]

So unlucky

Hmm yeah

Alright, I guess I'll just have to remedy that

Been hella unlucky with azerite though and gear

M+ bin has been trash the past 3 weeks

[prime void]

Same man:(

[inland rune]

Got rings 3 weeks in a row

[prime void]

Hoping for AZ from it eventually

[south basin]

I've gotten bracers 3 weeks in a row now

first ones got equipped and the other two were scrapped, lol

[lone junco]

Tbh. I think effort reward of outlaw respec is not worth for me. I'll just work on hpal. Weekly boxes drive loot anyway. Rather just get another box.

[nimble tartan]

ok i need help from big brain assassination rogues

so sharpened knife is big suck on movement fights and im gettin no value a lot buit it sim highest so i put it on thats my small brain reason ok

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vVVppyf5iansDU4ok8pYx8

what do i replace it with

and i dont want to play exsang cause tb is for chads

[ionic charm]

I like my one sharpened blade trait

[nimble tartan]

its just like any downtime like even on taloc mid phase like im not aa'ing 100% right

[civic palm]

_>

[ionic charm]

Especially useful when I need to burst a target, like on m vectis

[south basin]

cant raidbots sim movement?

[ionic charm]

Yes

[nimble tartan]

i need big brains to help me

[civic palm]

_>

[ionic charm]

Heavy movement sims movement

[calm grail]

Chadrogue here with tiny brain. What are your other options omr?

[nimble tartan]

if u click https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vVVppyf5iansDU4ok8pYx8

u see

[civic palm]

Just take not SB.

ezpz

[nimble tartan]

i top geared all my best choices in armor for high ilevel azeerite in the chesties

with talents

maybe look like i have to play exsang...frick..

[ionic charm]

Like what’s the other 1 or two choices from the sb piece?

[calm grail]

Go with the SS chest

SB is for betacucks

[ionic charm]

Meh

[prime pasture]

sorry for the weird question.. but has any1 experienced high fps drops as outlaw? i usually play sin and its totally fine, but once i change to outlaw my fps die

[nimble tartan]

honestly im just gonna run triple archive

[nimble tartan]

whos gonna stop me

[ionic charm]

Yourself

[sonic spindle]

The archive police

[calm grail]

Triple archive? More like

[civic palm]

Archive is fine but there are more chances for SS/SUB to yield actual damage gains.

[calm grail]

Triple Chad

[civic palm]

and Gutripper is not bad.

Just dodge DS that shit feels like crap still I assume.

[nimble tartan]

#1 sin parse on mythrax triple archive tb POG

im IN BRO

[civic palm]

Item level 👌

ezpz

Though I think one of the pieces is 355.

[calm grail]

Make sure to bring your turnip punching bag with you everywhere

[ionic charm]

I had a top 10 on m zek running PB and SB. Shit happens

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan lol knife for adds was good the day I ran 2x.

Turn and burn.

Always something to throw at.

[nimble tartan]

ye but im not aa 100% on some fights

and im losing VALUE

[civic palm]

The issue with SB isn't not having a target for PK.

[nimble tartan]

but its not bad im gettin decent parses

[ionic charm]

You lose value from every trait...

[lone junco]

Get beacon during elevator and run in the slime.

[nimble tartan]

ye but more from sb downtime = more build time as well

its like double downtime

thats math

[civic palm]

and then if there's actually no target.

like Goon transitions.

_>

[ionic charm]

How many fights are you constantly without a target for 30? It happens like once in a few fights

And any other time when you move off boss for 10s, you lose value on basically every other trait

Except like ss

[brittle lantern]

Is there a WA to track subterfuge buffed garrote?

I had one but lost it recently

think i got it from here

[lone junco]

We are all friends here. I really dislike raid sin rn. But m+ is absurdly good.

[nimble tartan]

im not saying without a target its just that it builds up from aa's

[lone junco]

I hate the 2min jousting.

[nimble tartan]

so if we doing mechs or longish transitions im not bulding me stackies

[lone junco]

Yeah. GC stacks that knife.

[ionic charm]

I get what you’re saying, but you just keep forgetting that boss time lost is value on every trait. You aren’t getting stacks, but you aren’t doing damage with your archive either

[lone junco]

If I'm not top 2 on every st fight. I'm not having a good time.

[nimble tartan]

ye could be im overthinking it and still wear it either way

but then again....

my parses are ok for sin https://i.imgur.com/ibpn5vL.png i wore knife every fight here -zul

but what if i ran....

not sharpened....

sharpened did pop off on taloc though for 150k 8 casts...

[lone junco]

Idk how Tyra banged that hard on taloc.

I hate the fight.

[ionic charm]

Yeah I mean all of mine are 95-99 and I use Sb on every fight

[zenith cedar]

I just swing my dick around and only put up 100s

be like me

[nimble tartan]

ok i keep it on

ty brothers

u ease my mind

[ionic charm]

It just seems like you lose more uptime on it, but in reality it’s no different from any other trait

[calm grail]

I think my biggest popoff was 14.2 on m taloc last week

[sharp steeple]

guys where can i find some rotations to AoE and Single Target?

[calm grail]

I have weird boring traits though

385 DiTB and DD

DD is one of those things that you just look at the fight afterwards to see what it did. Pretty boring.

[zenith cedar]

SS was the only interesting trait and even that shit is boring

[dark token]

Til doing high dps is boring

[zenith cedar]

they really dicked us

Well, by boring I believe he means theyre non interactive

they dont require any activation or forethought

traits that are just "oh cool, i passively do more damage" dont really create compelling gameplay

[calm grail]

When I envenom big I can see it and such. when you hit a button that is a part of your everyday rotation and it might hit for like 5k and you barely notice it

That's what I mean.

[zenith cedar]

Even the new trait doesnt fix this problem

Extra mut damage during vendetta is boring

and incredibly limited in scope

[civic palm]

You selective forget the energy part?

_>

[mint oar]

oh shit

we just got fucked

in pvp

[civic palm]

"fucked"

[zenith cedar]

How?

link?

[mint oar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287700/october-5th-hotfixes-fok-radius-from-flying-daggers-and-fan-of-blades-dont-stack?webhook/october-5th-hotfixes-fok-radius-from-flying-daggers-and-fan-of-blades-dont-stack

The Fan of Knives radius increase granted by Flying Daggers (PvP Talent) and Fan of Blades (Azerite Trait) no longer stack.
Fan of Blades effectiveness reduced by 75% when engaged in combat with enemy players.

[zenith cedar]

Oh eh

[mint oar]

rip rbg cheese

[zenith cedar]

Sin is fine lol

[hollow moth]

you mean you liked pressing nothing but Fan of Knives in RBGs?

[zenith cedar]

Its amazing in 3s currently

[mint oar]

ez rating

[civic palm]

FUCKED

[zenith cedar]

RBGs are fucking lame lol

[mint oar]

rbgs are ez gear

[calm grail]

I kind of miss the Antorus set bonus requiring us to weave envenoms for fatter poison dmg

[zenith cedar]

sure idk

[calm grail]

For AoE especially.

[zenith cedar]

id rather have arena rating than RBGgear

RBG rating says nothing as ur skill as a player

[hollow moth]

You mean Antorus Set bonus requiring us to press buttons. Instead of 78seconds of waiting per 5min encounter

[mint oar]

what's rbg build now rip

[calm grail]

Yeah

[civic palm]

You still wanna weave ENV for better damage O _O it's just not... insane.

[hazy sphinx]

im doing 2s rght now

and my lord im having a blast

[calm grail]

I feel like if you are doing appropriately sized pools you almost don't have time to put anything up but ruptures and Crimson Tempest

Pulls*

[mint oar]

yeah

[zenith cedar]

I've been running RMD in threes

Its amazing

Half the games we just 1 shot someone in a smoke bomb before they have a chance to play the game

[mint oar]

rmx is always op

[zenith cedar]

ehh its not op

there are much better comps

[mint oar]

It's always a good comp*

[undone sandal]

How is the best way to simulate a dungeon run? Specifically mobs in a dungeon run. I want to sim 385 Double Dose vs. 340 Shrouded.

[zenith cedar]

take a look @ Pikaboo play with a spriest

[mint oar]

you can never go wrong with rmx

[zenith cedar]

he basically plays the roll of AFF lock

and just dots everything

[vague oracle]

How often should I pool energy? I feel i shouldnt be sitting waiting for ages but ive seen people talking about pooling energy

[zenith cedar]

then they use MFD x2 envenom to one shot people

The idea behind pooling energy, generally

is all about getting 2 muts during EP and envenom

you pool energy such that, while building CPs for the next envenom, you can build those CPs (with mutilate) AND get the damage buff from both envenom procs and EP

[vague oracle]

ah cool

is it better to wait for the Envenom buff to finish

or just get as many envenoms out asap

[zenith cedar]

You want to maximize its uptime so

[vague oracle]

cool

[zenith cedar]

depends on situation

during Lust I focus on keeping EP up

[vague oracle]

I find myself clipping it alot

[zenith cedar]

outside of lust I focus on envenom uptime

only clip if you will cap energy

[vague oracle]

hokay

[zenith cedar]

Sims pool to like 130 or something like that

theres a reason our spec is like 40 APM

[vague oracle]

really want to push my parses, its so annoying doing the same dps as a fury warrior but he gets 95%+ and im on like high 60's/70's

[zenith cedar]

well yeah theres alot more rogues

[prime void]

what makes that annoying ?

Earn your parse

[zenith cedar]

^^^

I dont play competitievly anymore but when I did putting up paprses was a science

[ionic charm]

@undone sandal a lot of people use 6targets 40s without raid buffs

[zenith cedar]

you go into logs and you analyze where you can push out more damage

[polar glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r55EWogzJpMUAoEQZMt18o

Hey guys just out of curiosity how much haste do you guys have? i keep seeing my stat weights on haste is above agility?

[mint oar]

for m+ 370 archive of the titans or 355 laser matrix?

[ionic charm]

Haste is really good for single target. I have 14% with 3 OP and it’s like 10% above agi for me

[mint oar]

i've had matrix pull shit when i didn't want to

[ionic charm]

Archive for sure

Archive is better in m+ at same ilvl

[earnest quiver]

3x shrouded is best for m+ tho right?

[mint oar]

Also, what's a good trinket to use in m+?

[earnest quiver]

or is it 1x archie 2x shroud?

[polar glade]

im sitting at 15,65 haste and i feel like i dont want more but again.

[calm grail]

I don't really consciously pool that much and I still get alright parses. Wonder if I'm doing it unintentionally

[ionic charm]

3x ss is ideal if you have the ilvl. But for example, my 385 blightborne sims higher than 340 ss

Dice is great for m+

[mint oar]

i have 370 frenetic corp,365 tiny electro, 360 badge w socket, 375azerokk, fathoms, 370 insignia

for m+ which should i run?=

[dire spoke]

lol

[ionic charm]

Insignia and fathoms or frenetic probably. I have basically the same trinkets lmao

[worldly orbit]

has the ss bug hotfix went live yet? still feel like im losing a lot of dps garroting 3+ targets

4+*

[ripe tendon]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[calm grail]

Well that's because you probably don't want to Garrote more than the first 3 usually.

Even with the bug fixed.

[prime void]

6 garrote dream

[tawdry canyon]

for m+ if im running 2x SS and 1x twist knife (only trait i have for head atm) i still run exsang right? also to sim m+ do i sim hectic add cleave or do i sim 4 bosses patchwerk?

[prime void]

3x garrote - vanish 3x

EZ

[worldly orbit]

@calm grail why? i thought the only reason was because of the loss of the extra damage, surely a garrote in place of a fok in a large pack is better

[compact bolt]

@tawdry canyon 4-6 bosses(depends who you ask) patchwork 40s

No buffs

[tawdry canyon]

thank you 😃

TB with CT is simming highest for me, but in m+ is TB really that great? i would think exsang would be betgter because i spend my cp putting up rupture/CT, or should i just envenom only during TB?

[ionic charm]

Comes down to what you prefer. TB ends up being perfectly good, especially in 1-5 targets

[tawdry canyon]

for the case of using TB, do i just spam envenom on my TB target during the TB window or do i just press it on cd on whoever and keep up ruptures/ct with my combo points?

[mellow pasture]

yes

[ionic charm]

Spam env if you can, but ruptures take priority

[tawdry canyon]

thank you for the info

[mellow pasture]

you wanna try to pool a lil before you tb but you wanna use it on cd

[tawdry canyon]

gotcha

so i should tb priority add then

[ionic charm]

In m+ it’s less about that though. I usually just throw it out after ggg ct while I’m getting ruptures up

It doesn’t do a whole lot extra unless you can envenom on that target

[tawdry canyon]

👍

[mellow pasture]

ok so my sims . I am using a 370 laser matrix, it tells me my blightborne shoulders are the best to use. along with a Double dose helm

but if i swap my helm for SS my sim drops like 250dps

so i should go 1 dd instead of 1 SS?

wouldn't SS be better because its more versatile?

does the sim just not pick it up or is it my stats

[sick monolith]

what even is optimal haste for sin? 18+?

[ionic charm]

What kind of sim is that?

How many targets

How much time

[mellow pasture]

1 for 5min

[ripe tendon]

should i go for crity haste weapon enchants or go for my highest 2 weighted stats from sim as my weapon enchants?

[ionic charm]

Oh I thought we were still talking m+. DD is great, it’s BiS for ST

[mellow pasture]

hm but you should probably go SS because there is usually one ad right?

[ionic charm]

One add you’re saving vanish for?

[mellow pasture]

probably ya

[ionic charm]

In this raid scenario not really. Like vectis and maybe taloc for a few seconds. Or zek if you save your cooldowns like an extra minute. It’s not super ideal in any of those scenarios. And at any rate, the 1 extra garrote with ss is not that much extra damage, DD is a very good trait

[mellow pasture]

ok i simmed for 3 bosses and it says dagger in the back is the best now

i just am looking for the most versatile trait

for helm

[strange python]

Hey guys, is there any reason to play bleed build in certain dungs? And where is the difference between both? 😃

[karmic ingot]

A better question would be is there any reason not to use it in certain dungeons.

[strange python]

I mean some rogs are running with exgs and they switch on certain dungs into default.

I'm new into assa as sub rog, that's why I'm asking since exgs sims lower for me. Posion bomb for mass pulls and exgs for less?

[cunning needle]

poison bomb and exsang are on seperate tiers

[karmic ingot]

Poison bomb and exsanguinate are... ^ that

[strange python]

EXGS + Tempest

[cunning needle]

i run exsang over tb but i'm also more used to it

[strange python]

And Toxic + PB

[cunning needle]

it's great for energy regen tbh

[hazy sphinx]

anyone here at high mmr in arenas?

[cunning needle]

garrote garrote garrote rupture exsang

then fok spam

[fresh robin]

what traits u running fim? 2x? 3x ss?

[strange python]

Me?

Runnig with 2 shroud

stacks

[cunning needle]

3x ss

but 2 pieces are 340

[strange python]

Still gearing up

Chest is 370 SS

[fresh robin]

ah yeah, im trying to figure out for m+ anyway if 2x ss and 1 archive is better than my crazy ilvl 2x archive and 1x ditb

[cunning needle]

i should experiment if my 385 with shuriken is better than ss for mythic

[karmic ingot]

You don’t use CT single target, so if you’re comparing sims with exsanguinate + CT vs TB + PB, that’s why you’re seeing that difference.

[fresh robin]

gotta love the azerite loot lottery

[cunning needle]

yep

i mean could try simming but even then

it's a bit hit and miss to what you can expect from an actual m+

[karmic ingot]

For me, Exsanguinate sims slightly lower than TB, but it has stronger burst which means it can be better on fights with increased damage phases.

[strange python]

@karmic ingot besides your question, why can't you tell me just the difference between both builds?

Okay

[cunning needle]

though anecdotal evidence story, i ran with my raid set up, which is 2x archive + 1 ss

and it was a bit lower

[strange python]

That's something I can work with @karmic ingot

[cunning needle]

but nothing noticably bad

[strange python]

So exgs would be good for tyrannical in general?

[karmic ingot]

In sims, they’re within about 70 DPS for me. With the default target error rate of 0.5%, 70 DPS is within the margins of error for the sims and WELL within the margin of error for player execution. So I play exsanguinate because I enjoy it more.

[cunning needle]

^

[karmic ingot]

Exsanguinate is good for all dungeons because you typically run SS traits with it which provide very good cleave damage on trash.

[cunning needle]

you can pretty much exsang every pack or every 2nd pack

and the faster things die

the more damage you do

with the ss garrote

[strange python]

So what you are trying to say is, both are viable but you guys enjoy exgs more?

[mellow pasture]

its more bursty

[strange python]

Alright

New bind for tempest, let's go, lol.

[mellow pasture]

ctrl 6

evisx is 6 and rupture is 7

ctrl bound to mouse

[worldly orbit]

comes down to if you're using poison bomb or crimson tempest aswell, because tb buffs ur poison bomb

so on clustered packs poison bomb + tb might be better

[strange echo]

Just got a 370 socketed galecaller's any advice on what to macro it in with?

[strange python]

Do I have to use EXG before the dots?

[mellow pasture]

macro with vendetaa

you can use it once in between though

[worldly orbit]

exsang halves the duration of ur dots kasta, so use it with 20+ second rupture/garrote up

[strange python]

Ah, that's why it's pretty bursty, right?

[worldly orbit]

yeah exactly

[strange python]

How would u prio 3 targets while in stealth with exg + tempest

[mellow pasture]

hit em all

[worldly orbit]

i would stealth > garrote each target > rupture prio > exsang prio> fok > crimson tempest

into fok > envenom prio

[silk jolt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[worldly orbit]

after spreading ruptures

[hallow kraken]

How do you sim for mythic+ ? (stat simming)

[outer dome]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[harsh glacier]

Malky it's probly worth exsanging the CT too

[worldly orbit]

yeah it might be if the target will live long enough

but you're using a few more globals before you can get the exsang off

so i guess it can be toyed with

[strange python]

you mean by prio - prio target, aight?

[worldly orbit]

yeah

[strange python]

Alright

Also worth using MfD for second target for full rapture and then exg?

[worldly orbit]

marked for death?

[strange python]

Yeah

[worldly orbit]

if you're running mfd you could stealth > garrote 3 targets > rupture prio > mfd > crimson tempest > exsang prio

into spreading ruptures

i think vigor is probably the better talent to take overall though

[strange python]

Because of too much manage?

Like overwhelming in some situations?

[worldly orbit]

yeah its easy to use and really helpful, mfd is good if you can reset its cooldown a lot so im sure you can get some use out of it in lower level dungeons but once trash packs start becoming tougher you'll probably want to go vigor or deeper stratagem

[bleak star]

ueah fan of blades gives u 5 combos fast

mod is useless in m+

[strange python]

how many cps would you spend for using ct?

[worldly orbit]

same as rupture, 4-5

[strange python]

Can I ask for parsing help in this channel or is there a diff channel for that?

ok

[bleak star]

BM says doubledose is best trait but garrote reks it?

[tropic heron]

hey guys im raiding as assassination tonight

can i get a prayer that i parse above 25 on every boss in honor of the discord

[bleak star]

ass is much easier than outlaw

[dry thicket]

for m+, is SS a must have? i can choose between 340 SS chest and 385 dagger in the back

[tropic heron]

oh it is?

[exotic glen]

@strange python if your question is about assassination you ask here

if not then just wherever i guess

[bleak star]

ass is maintain 2 bleeds on as much as u can

spam envenom

brain dead spec

[tropic heron]

idk how you knew i was outlaw but i switched to ass now because the game decided to only give me decent ass gear

pretty much the choice between using almost all 340 azerite pieces and using 370+ pieces

so here i am in ass spec

[worldly orbit]

outlaw is press slice and dice and sinister strike 5 times

[bleak star]

yeah for low dps maybe

[strange python]

@exotic glen it's mostly sin parses. I wanted someone to look at the parse and tell me what I could improve on.

[tropic heron]

do people do that?

i would link some of mine for help

im struggling to manage green parses consistently

ive gotten a 55 once it was the highest

[bleak star]

outlaw is just way more fun

[tropic heron]

on uhh zevkoz i think

[bleak star]

and u can use better weaps

[mellow pasture]

ya but then you cant be sub or ass

[worldly orbit]

id probably agree in raids

but i just love multidotting in aoe

[tropic heron]

is SS good in raids?

[worldly orbit]

yeah its still good, my ss traits still sim the highest out of everything i have.

[bleak star]

ass should of been called garrote

[exotic glen]

@strange python just post the log and anyone who feels like helping will chime in

thats what usually happens

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wygvHVrXpbq19DhR

here's the log from my last guild run, name is Derevex

parsing purple or blue most fights, but I feel like it's on the low end of purple/blue, idk what I could do differently other than not let the DOTs fall off and using CDs whenever up

[hazy skiff]

How much overall dps are you guys pulling this week on 12+ keys?

[strange python]

I've never done a +12 since I just PUG everything and I don't have a high enough raider io I think, highest is like +11

but I usually pull 12-14k

[quaint flare]

[ornate mantle]

is there a macro for tricks of trait?

[main blaze]

To do what?

[ornate mantle]

redirect the tank

[main blaze]

If you focus your tanks you can do /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade

[ornate mantle]

ok thanks

[gentle rapids]

I'm using this for tricks #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade /cast [@focus, help, nodead] Tricks of the Trade; [@targettarget, help, nodead] Tricks of the Trade; Tricks of the Trade

[karmic ingot]

@ornate mantle I use an add on called tricks of the trader. It allows you to quickly modify a macro to target your tank by name for ToT. That way you can free up your focus target for things like focus interrupts, etc.

[ornate mantle]

oh

ill try the addon aswell

[dark token]

https://i.imgur.com/RJRbU8A.png rl wont let me play sin on zul m

[civic palm]

,<

[karmic ingot]

The downside I’ve seen so far is that the WoW API does not allow addons to modify macros in combat, so if you’re in a raid fight where you might want to change which tank you’re using tricks on, the addon falls a bit short.

[south basin]

I just put tricks on a mouseover

[civic palm]

Yeah that is so fucking abusable...

no way that would happen.

[karmic ingot]

I think that’s how the old decursive addons worked to allow you to use one button to dispel whoever needed it without you having to worry about who to target. They fixed that way back in vanilla though.

[civic palm]

There was a change that allowed you to track debuffs on nameplates as well.

[karmic ingot]

@dark token that’s a pretty dope parse man.

[dark token]

ty :)

[civic palm]

and then stopping people from generating dynamic icons/bars during combat as well.

[lone junco]

Is that Zul mostly boss dmg with FOK crits. Or vanish ggg cheese? @dark token

[late sable]

in an aoe situation (might be different for 3 or 5 or more targets?) is rupture a higher priority than crimson tempest? icy veins guide and ravenhold disagree

[karmic ingot]

Yeah, curious what your strategy was for that. I haven’t even tried sin on Zul yet. Mostly outlaw, but I only have 1 heroic Zul kill so far.

[lone junco]

I expect that our two warriors will make it hard for me to play tornado.

And new dh actually knows how to aoe.

[karmic ingot]

We had one warrior for week one. He got his feelings hurt because I was pulling 2x his DPS and I was the only rogue in the guild. The next day I see a new level 110 rogue in guild lol.

I told him that instead of bitching about his class, he should focus on not having 30% parses. He quit the guild because nobody wanted to carry his rogue in M+.

[lone junco]

Our warrior bursts 50k in trash. Then dies.

[karmic ingot]

TLDR is I now bring 7% attack power scrolls to raid lol.

[lone junco]

We have 1fury and 1arms. Both do orange parses. Fine by me.

[dark token]

vanish G G G cheese

and GGG on opener

and maintaining dots on all adds

[karmic ingot]

My guild has like 4-5 people who regularly have purple parses with the occasional orange, 2-3 who are regularly green or blue, and then a handful who are regularly gray and maybe get a green if they manage to live through an entire fight.

[autumn night]

question should I play Vigor or Mark in M+ as assassin?

[karmic ingot]

Frozen, do you have to run out to kill casters or do you actually have DKs who know where their grip button is?

[lone junco]

@autumn night sin m+ dps is from garrote. Vig is >>>

@karmic ingot we double grip. Half way. Then all the way.

[ornate mantle]

guys im pretty much new on this expansion and i cant manage to change my azerite pieces

how would i upgrade them

[exotic glen]

you find new ones

[karmic ingot]

What do you mean half way then all the way?

[ornate mantle]

yea thanks @exotic glen , but where

[lone junco]

We have 2dk. One pulls caster to the ring. Dps pulls it to Zul for cleave.

[exotic glen]

raids, weekly m+ cache, pvp, warfronts, world bosses, world quests

[ornate mantle]

because myth+ doesnt drop normal myth they dont pick me

[exotic glen]

are the things i think

[ornate mantle]

raid dont pick me either

[exotic glen]

well i listed a few ways

[karmic ingot]

Ases, run M0s each week, do emissaries when they have Azerite, do warfronts, do raids.

[exotic glen]

take your pick

[lone junco]

Then we switch to crusher. Then double grip the 2nd.

[ornate mantle]

ill ry warfronts i guess and wait for the reset if not

[fallen sandal]

Hello, if i run MA what should I do when i vanish and on engage ?

[exotic glen]

do as high a mythic+ key as you can and hope for it in the weekly chest ases

[karmic ingot]

Gotcha. We only have 1 DK (part time) and he usually can get it close enough to cleave with 1 grip I think.

At least close enough that one interrupt handles the rest.

[ornate mantle]

thanks ill try and ask friends to help me with it i guess

[exotic glen]

sven every vanish you press vanish > tb > mut > envenok

envenom

[fallen sandal]

alright and on engage, i go for garrote ?

[exotic glen]

put dots up ofc

i think its garrote, mut, rupture, vendetta, vanish, tb, mut, envenom

but let me check for a sec

[karmic ingot]

It’s on ravenholdt.net I think.

[fallen sandal]

i checked assa guide but MA is not taking in count

[exotic glen]

yeah idk what it takes for an opener to make it into the guide

because its not really there, yet its the highest simming build

[safe matrix]

gotta talk to weak

he runs the guide

🤷

[exotic glen]

hes probably sleeping tho

so not now

[fallen sandal]

thanks for answers tho

[karmic ingot]

Here’s the opener from the sample sequence on SimC website with MA and TB.

[fallen sandal]

ty ❤

[exotic glen]

yeah was about to post it until i realised i was looking at the wrong talent setup

[karmic ingot]

I actually wish the SimC raid still maintained the Exsanguinate build too. It would be nice to see how each build compares.

[exotic glen]

what do you mean

you can compare them on herodamage?

[dark token]

tfw my raid leaves me in orb for 3 min on mythrax

to troll me

[exotic glen]

lmao

[karmic ingot]

Uh. Maybe I just haven’t looked at that part lol. One sec.

[exotic glen]

when you pick assa

you get an additional option of choosing default or exsang build

[desert vault]

Is 12k overall for a dungeon run reasonable? I'm 358 equipped, just trying to get a feel where I stand

[lone junco]

That's pretty normal. I'm 358 and get packs at 15-25k. And bosses at 15-18k ish. Overall 14k unless we are busy depleting the key.

Could probably be a bit higher

[jaunty crystal]

12k is probably avg for that ilvl? Hard to say tbh because you could be simming 12k or simming 14k lol

[karmic ingot]

@exotic glen the combination thing is actually what I was looking for. Thanks.

[lone junco]

Sin success depends on restealth and likes packs of 3-6

When tanks start chain pulling I start yelling.

[exotic glen]

yeah np

[karmic ingot]

I’m not as good at sin in M+ as I want to be. I usually end up in the 12-13k overall range. I feel like I get similar or better results overall as outlaw for less effort.

[lone junco]

G g g Ct. effort /reward is very good.

[jaunty crystal]

I just started playing sin a couple of days ago and I'm getting way more than my affli lock that's 10 ilvls higher 😛

[lone junco]

Absurdly good at times.

[jaunty crystal]

fucking affli lock bad at sub 10 keys

[lone junco]

22-25k dps packs with no vendetta or vanish.

Then roll right into boss

[karmic ingot]

Or tanks that decide they need to move a pack like 20 yards for no fucking reason immediately after a pull which makes tab garrote hard.

[lone junco]

Wait for open.

I stay stealth until tank gets their shit together.

[jaunty crystal]

I swear whenever my tank starts kiting a mob for no reason he walks right into another mob lol

[lone junco]

If they pull one. I just wait.

[karmic ingot]

I need to get better at waiting I guess.

[lone junco]

I got very patient with shoulders. No fucking way I burn my open on a 2pack.

[karmic ingot]

I run with PUG tanks 100% of the time cuz most of my guild rarely does M+.

Haha.

I didn’t get shoulders until blizzard handed out the free legendary with prepatch.

[lone junco]

Just move with tank and be near the front. As they aggro you can g g step g Ct

[karmic ingot]

I didn’t main rogue in legion.

[lone junco]

But. I will sit stealth for 15sec before opening on a bad pull.

If it is a monster prio. I will open hard as fuck. But lazy pulls are bad for me.

[karmic ingot]

I always feel like if I’m not attacking, I’m losing damage.

[lone junco]

Ggg is 45% of your damage.

[karmic ingot]

Yeah I know.

[lone junco]

Each one is 80k

Convert that into envenoms. That is 6-8 envenoms. Each.

[karmic ingot]

Good point.

[lone junco]

If you miss 2 garrotes. That's the equivalent of like a full min of damage?

Maybe not that much. But the concept is good

[karmic ingot]

Yeah, I guess the buffed garrote strongly outweighs a few extra seconds of uptime in normal rotation.

[dark token]

this zul opener was nutty

https://i.imgur.com/pdYtDxK.png

[lone junco]

Nice.

I'll be on him tue.

[karmic ingot]

If you figure your overall DPS being 16k, each is worth about 5 seconds of DPS time. So waiting up to 10 seconds makes sense.

[lone junco]

My open peaks at like 25-28k

[karmic ingot]

16k seems like a decent estimate for what you would be doing on a trash pack with no buffed garrote and no CDs. Maybe on the high side.

[lone junco]

Then trails over time.

[karmic ingot]

Yeah, I’m talking strictly unbuffed garrote, FoK, tabled mutilate, rupture, env, etc.

Basically what I gain from going in early vs what you gain from being patient.

10 seconds is a long time on a M+ trash pull. Even the most meth head ADHD tanks can probably get a pull settled faster than that so I doubt you usually wait that long.

And that’s the break even point I came up with from my feelycraft math.

[lone junco]

Just get a feel for the pull. If you think he will get more. Wait a bit. If there is a reason he pulled two. Go to town.

But once you have GC you want things to stand still for like 5-10sec.

[karmic ingot]

I’ve got a pretty good GC.

[lone junco]

But if they just tag something and are training it to the next pack. It is a loss to open on 1.

[karmic ingot]

That makes sense.

[lone junco]

So just keep up. Tricks and move with them.

Again. Unless it is a baddy that you want to burn vendetta on.

[karmic ingot]

I’m also bad at using CDs on trash. Outlaw helped me get better about it since AR is up so often.

I’m bad about it as sin though.

[lime thorn]

Hey friendos, I'm a super new rogue whose been lurking around in here for a few days.
I recently ran Heroic Zul on my Assassination Rogue and ended up at 64th Percentile for my iLvl.
I'm a little confused as my uptime on bleeds is 97% plus and my # of CD casts seems on par.
Only thing I can see is I didn't use Fan of Knives, which is obviously a mistake. Is that enough to put me down at 64th?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FNDjMm9h2T1rJxWY#fight=60&type=damage-done&source=6

[nimble tartan]

Huge opener @dark token

Big boi

[dark token]

sin is pog

[nimble tartan]

Huge opener @dark token

Fuck my phone

[dark token]

rank 1 heroic zul sin, cant play zul sin on mythic

welcome to uldir

[karmic ingot]

The real question is can you actually perform better as sub in Mythic or not?

Like, you personally, not rogues in general.

[nimble tartan]

Yesyes i can

Honestly i aint see another rogue using first dance as hot as i did

[dark token]

rank 1 sin in heroic is 23k

rank 1 sub in mythic is 53k

[nimble tartan]

53k wth

[dark token]

oh did i misread u

51k?

i forgot

[nimble tartan]

I thought someone beat me already lmao FUCK

[dark token]

lol

[nimble tartan]

yea like 51k

How do u even open zul herooc sin

[karmic ingot]

Well, for example, I don’t have a good set of mastery gear or good sub traits. And I’m rusty as hell at sub. So I’d probably suck at it.

[dark token]

dont touch crawg

G GG all 3

fok rupture zul

vanish G G G

[karmic ingot]

It’s on though, cuz my guild will never kill Mythic Zul.

[dark token]

rupture zul again

exsang

then start cycling

[karmic ingot]

On = ok

[nimble tartan]

Ok i dont use ss rip my parse

[dark token]

i have 2 385 SS

get fuck

[nimble tartan]

Frick

I have 1 385 ss from fetid but i got a sharpened chest and me like pressing another button

[dark token]

mongo TB dream is good until zul

id have rank 1 on ghuun with same strat but i had to run orbs in g2 since this is sale run

GGG go run orb it sucks

miss both dark bargains

[karmic ingot]

I have 385 DD chest and 370 SS and 370 DD head to work with. Only 340 shoulders though.

[dark token]

id go double Ds

[karmic ingot]

I’m considering it. But my DD hat is currently being used for my triple snake outlaw set lol.

Might try it for my next raid. It should be down to double digit gold now.

[dark token]

double

digit

[karmic ingot]

Yup.

[lone junco]

@lime thorn FOK should be priority in 4t+ cleave. It's a huge deal. Sorry I dont look at logs on phone.

@karmic ingot tbh. One of the reasons sin is strong is that. G g g Ct GC FOK g r exsang. Is all you need for most packs. Vendetta is saved for baddies and bosses.

[chilly marsh]

anyone remmeber the toy that rogues coudl shadownstep?

[karmic ingot]

Yup. I remember the solo patchwork vid from 40 man max in vanilla.

[shy kestrel]

it was nerfed. image of arch mage vargoth

[karmic ingot]

There was one before that.

[chilly marsh]

i think it was a kind of pet

rabbit / rat

[lime thorn]

@lone junco NP, I appreciate it

[chilly marsh]

somethign like that

[shy kestrel]

you mean that you could tricks for the damage buff to yourself?

[karmic ingot]

No. You should shadow step at pet/toy thing that was targetable.

[shy kestrel]

steam tonk controller could tricks you for the +5%

idk

well you can still step target dummy toys and the critter annhilator toy from legion

as well as the battle standard in pvp

also, image of vargoth existed before toys did, but whatevs

[karmic ingot]

Well, to be fair, blizzard has created other abilities over the years that can do the same thing the SS to toy thing was used to exploit years ago, so it’s probably not really a big deal anymore anyway.

[shy kestrel]

you could also place the keg toy and step to it

[karmic ingot]

The thing I’m thinking of existed before archmage vargoth 😃

[inland rune]

The radish

The punching turnip thing maybe

[karmic ingot]

I might be wrong actually. I found a video of 25m patchwork rogue solo doing the technique I was think of. That would be after vargoth was a thing.

https://youtu.be/25vRlh_WL4Y

[dire spoke]

anyone remmeber that stanlog with nearenheap

[quasi ledge]

99% sure the Patchwerk solo was during Wrath as it because of Ghostly strike. It was some sort of rat pet that stood still instead of following you

[karmic ingot]

Yeah, that’s what I found.

[shy kestrel]

what’s the pet? tldr? 😃

mobile lyf

[karmic ingot]

Not sure. Some rat though.

[quasi ledge]

Unconscious Dig Rat

[shy kestrel]

i was actually looking at steppable toys today, is why i’m curious 😃

nice

[karmic ingot]

Oh wait. LinkIn video description. Derp.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=5052

[chilly marsh]

that rat

[sick monolith]

man azerite reforging is killing me

i wish it was individual piece cost not fucking combined with everything

And it takes 3 days for it to decay by half?

[lone junco]

just pick ss. and play 3 for m+ and 2 for raid. ez

i would take a 0.1% loss to play a common trait

[tawny violet]

!ss

[strange python]

Guys, poison bomb or crimson trempest for fortified?

whats the timer my bleeds need to be over, in order exang to be used

[harsh glacier]

Pb is straight trash

[strange python]

rly? c,_c

[harsh glacier]

For m+, yeah

[strange python]

yea but with foirtifietd the pulls are small

[harsh glacier]

They take longer so CT is better

also @strange python G and R at over 20 secs before exsg

[obsidian ruin]

@strange python only run Pb in kings rest /underrot imo

[strange python]

😦

also this more involved/effortful, but I'm having trouble playing rogue effectivley, I'm barely topping dps, when my gear is ludicrous and I should be

here is a report compared to 2 other rogues, for reference

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mCKMtWHgPYjGd6Fa/#fight=last

cany someone point out my flaws, I have done standard guide reading but still play poorly

[atomic karma]

yo someone told me that construct overcharger is actually glithced on sims

can anyone confirm

cause i got a 395 one thinking if its actually decent or not

cause it does seem a tad better than it seems to show on sims surely

[harsh glacier]

how about you try it in game on dummies

no idea if the sims are bugged for it or not, but easiest way is to compare it in game yourself

@strange python no idea what you're doing wrong tbh, gear is fine, traits are fine, poison uptimes are decent

could be mistiming exsg or not using cds right, but hard to tell

[eager haven]

He’s using TB