Well the sim isn't bugged
#assassination
lilac tapir
yea thats where my problem was
thanks for clearing up my issue ๐
how long do you think until Blizz fixes this stupid shitty bug then haha
strange python
This xpac is getting shit on basically
lilac tapir
new to assa as well so trynna figure shit out for high M+ has been tough lol
naturally
strange python
So fixing traits is their last priority
lilac tapir
"small indie company" and what-not
strange python
Just shit that hasn't been thought about too much
They're disconnected from the community
brazen copper
is there a target haste for sin?
fading spade
can we cloak the lane when running orb on ghunn or will it still slow us
prisma monolithBOT
Uldir tips and tricks: http://www.ravenholdt.net/uldir-tips-tricks/
safe matrix
cant solo run as sin
upper island
^
visual token
I can get pretty damn close with a gate though.
Another shadow step would be fantastic
tranquil dust
guys im looking at my stuff compared to other rogues in raid fights
I seem to have a majority damage as melee auto attacks
and every other rogue I look at has envenom and garrote
as their top is there anything obvious you can see from that
visual token
Are you losing uptime a lot?
red plaza
cyan frost
craggy raptor
Poison uptime is low, opener is wrong. Your first Toxic blade cast is 40 seconds in
tranquil dust
hey guys thanks so much
im gn na take a look I already saw my opener
ty again
I never heard of wow analyzer
craggy raptor
No problem, Good luck.
It's not entirely accurate for assasination.
So read the guide and practice from that
north terrace
3 tb casts across 3m43s fight is going to screw you as well. Should be using tb on cd outside of opener
craggy raptor
It's simple once you understand the opener/priority of the class
vocal harbor
for ghuun orb running, can you cloak to avoid getting slowed
upper island
wow analyzer doesnt work for sin?
north terrace
It does just isn't 100%. Have to hit the "continue anyway" option
upper island
ah ok didnt read the whole page, thank you
hot snow
don't forget to pool energy! I was bashing my head against the wall till I worked out that was where I was going wrong
halcyon patio
does anyone know how to look to see how many combo points someone isn't using on logs?
craggy raptor
as in wasted?
halcyon patio
yes
craggy raptor
go resources
hot snow
wow analyser also says
craggy raptor
select combo points
in drop down under summary
and it will say raw gain-wasted-gain
craggy raptor
lol
halcyon patio
thanks baby โค
tribal marlin
How can I get the api to run my own sims on simcraft ?
I mean I'd like to see exactly how the sim is running and test stuff
exotic glen
idk how to on simc but you can do it on raidbots
tribal marlin
how ?
exotic glen
do a quick sim > full HTML report > action priority list > full sequence table
tribal marlin
thanks
halcyon patio
can anyone review logs and tell me what Dasty is doing wrong for his damage to be so low? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TFm1gRzGhbfnN2L9/#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1&source=15
pine tulip
his envenom damage is quite low, probably isnt bursting correctly
lone junco
Oy.
fiery jasper
if I use exsanguinate and refresh dots โค sec do i keep the dmg from those dots
< 3 sec
floral pawn
Let fall then refresh
fiery jasper
k
sleek iron
Does exsang work on internal bleeding from kidney shot
lone junco
Yes.
But.
It also works with prey across your GC SS exang.
I guess kidney bleed exang is prob more than 10-15k dmg. So for st it's probably fine.
sleek iron
My opener for pvp is cs garrote rupture mfd kidney exsang
Hmm I wonder if prey is better
lone junco
I use tb in pvp for the env buff.
lone junco
The garrote rupture 5cp env. On top of tb.
edgy trellis
tb env mfd env
lone junco
I like SS exang.
But just give the other routine a go. Hammering 5cp env. On top of garrote rupture tb. Has a heavy hit.
sleek iron
Hmm
lone junco
What's that talent called.
lone junco
Prob not exactly that.
edgy trellis
no keep mfd for double envenom
lone junco
I'm still running SS. So I tabbed out my garrotes. It came in super high in the dmg profile. Double env sounds great.
sleek iron
Ok so the tb build does burst later into the rotation.
worldly orbit
toxic blade vs exsanguinate, what are the differences except for the obvious burst nature of the talents? Is either one out performing the other?
sleek iron
I like my super early frontal burst
steep obsidian
does tb buff the poison damage from the pvp talents too?
system shock and creeping venomor whatever they are
lone junco
I assumed it did. Cause it melted people.
steep obsidian
cant see why it wouldnt eh
lone junco
Big Brian
But the 90pct snare is neat.
Helps keep contact for the rest.
But the cool part about that tb combo. Is that it is up a lot.
Tab out ruptures and fuck with people. And set up garrote and ruptures. Then you can hot swap the kidney tb mark env. Mut mut env.
W/e
worldly orbit
is it normal for TB to sim a lot lower than exsang?
worldly orbit
in fact i dont sim that much lower, i'm 15470 with exsang and 15355 with TB
unkempt gulch
lone junco
That's pretty normal
sleek iron
Iโm loving sin - so much variety within the spec
Itโs fixed?!?!!? @unkempt gulch omgomg
unkempt gulch
SS fixed boys
lone junco
Can we even afford the energy of a 4th garrote?
calm grail
Wait SS IS FIXED?
sleek iron
Fixed boys!!!!
unkempt gulch
F I X E D
sleek iron
Since when
unkempt gulch
6 minutes ago
lone junco
Bug is irrelevant In dps gain. At least we won't bug the dps as a loss.
sleek iron
Enough haste you can fit 4 empowered
calm grail
But it could marginally help energy opener? And worst case scenario you wont gimp yourself.
lone junco
Try ggg cs.
But yeah. Not breaking the damage is huge.
We would not do 4 garrotes due to cp waste.
sleek iron
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
lone junco
It may turn into. Ggg ct. FOK g r. Exang. FOK FOK r. ?
Idk. The garrote is expensive and low value. I'll just be glad to not bug it.
forest patio
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target. inc
tender frost
is it confirmed fixed? or will it be hotfixed at alater time?
indigo plume
they fixed it
ocean stirrup
yay
velvet geyser
Rejoice!
calm grail
Yeah I'm garroteing 3 and then a 4th immediately and the first three keep their empowerment
And the 4th ticks normally.
lone junco
Just don't exang the shitty one โ๏ธ
high goblet
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
โค
versed mica
SS FIXED? REJOICE BROTHERS
steep obsidian
nice
so i can reapply garrote when the first one drops now eh felt bad having to let all 3 drop and stressing a bit about it
unkempt gulch
@small cargo for u https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1102480-hotfixes-october-4-2018/
steep obsidian
also means if you flub up the opener you arent completely fucked on the 2 garrotes you get off
or at least the first one
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
golden mulch
"Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target. "
was in the patchnotes
sooo they actually fixed the bug??
placid elbow
Hotfixed today
golden mulch
oh wow and does it work?
golden mulch
so we can just freely garrote now
merry sparrow
yup should work
stone pilot
took em long enough ๐
high goblet
thats an insane M+ buff
placid elbow
BRB, going to apply garrote on everything now
golden mulch
same ๐
placid elbow
FEEL THE GARROTE BOIZ
strange python
Garrote's back on the menu!
golden mulch
i heard also they said something about azerite changes?
have they spoiled a new way to get azerite gear that isnt casino weekly?
golden mulch
fck
unkempt gulch
they said u will be able to get ilvl 370 azerite armor from emissary
placid elbow
^
golden mulch
still at 4 chicken nuggets ๐ฆ
sleek iron
I only need 385s ๐ฆ
placid elbow
I hope ilvl370 gear is at least still relevant when they make this change
or else it'll be useless
lone junco
@golden mulch my first week I got a mc rib in my nugget box.
placid elbow
it'll be just like how it already is with the 340 azerite
unkempt gulch
yeah i think they were gonna try to hotfix it in
placid elbow
lol
unkempt gulch
maybe they will do it tuesday
placid elbow
"HERE IS SOME 340 FOR YOU WHILE YOU NEED 370" -Blizz prob
it'll become
but if they wait until 8.1 to do this shit
370 will be trash
torpid jackal
they keep quadrupling down on their shitty system
placid elbow
wouldn't surprise me either if Blizz waited till 8.1 lol
torpid jackal
lfr goes 100% unused when a faction has warfronts
slim wigeon
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
omg
is this a dream lol
lusty remnant
let's everyone paste that
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
torpid jackal
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
placid elbow
"Garrote will no longer require energy to cast"
slim wigeon
lone junco
Time for my 4p20 memes again. Garrote all the things.
golden mulch
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
strange python
cmon y.y
halcyon tulip
main rain
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
wtf
They actually did it, these absolute madmen
hollow gyro
aayyyyy
somber egret
THe bug is finally fixed holy shit
rain breach
is this from the PTR or a hotfix?
flint swift
!!!!!!!
quaint flare
harsh glacier
kinda trash
eternal geyser
is the SS hotfix live now?
fiery jasper
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
ionic charm
So I accidentally ran PB for M Zek'voth and it ended up a lot better than CT. Like 2k dps...
lone junco
Should be live.
timber nexus
:O this makes me so happy!
lone junco
@harsh glacier Pb is a st trait now.
flint jetty
@harsh glacier yeah 3% avg compared to it used to do 7% avg sucks but it's still better than CT on ST
Lol they finally fixed so garrote tho gg
tranquil dust
guys is there a way on pawn to make a scale for ilvl
strange python
fixed?
lilac tapir
FIXED??? I need to know
paper bough
Why does the APL go garrote>mut >rupture>vendetta>vanish>tb>mut>envenom rather than garrote>rupture>garrote>vendetta>tb>envenom >mut envenom> VANISH> garrotex2
Not understanding why it uses vanish so fast right before tb
flat portal
becasue shrouded is dead for raids, pretty much
paper bough
Ok
flat portal
and because Master Assassin is the top talent in the row
i say top tealent
its not its real close actually but that apl assumes MA im guessing
lone junco
@tranquil dust just bump your agi values . make it like 8 or something.
use a gear set. dont just grab shit willy nilly.
I used to do this for PVP template when it was based on ilvl.
@paper bough that apl before tb, is for the MA talent.
SS is not dead for raids, you just need to run subterfuge.
cunning needle
paper bough
So Noobe is the second opener I wrote correct with SS traits and subterfuge/tb
mortal basalt
did they fixed garrote ss bug?
fast nacelle
yes
sick monolith
man my damage really gets wrecked in the opening of ghuun
cedar meteor
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
sick monolith
about time tbh
lime thorn
When applying Subt Garrote w/ Vanish is it always correct to double cast?
on single target
quaint flare
fixed 
ocean oyster
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
ocean oyster
still bugged?
safe matrix
October 4th Hotfix:
The infamous Shrouded suffocation bug is dead. 
-Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
ocean oyster
Or not updated
safe matrix
exotic abyss
garrote on another target? not on same target?
safe matrix
taking blizzard at their word at this point
lime thorn
This changes openers no?
safe matrix
if it isnt fixed I'll update the pin
no it doesnt
the bug never affected single target
frosty gyro
Well I mean you get a 4th and 5th and 6th now
Which is nice
And you can reapply 3 gcds earlier
Plus 4th garrote = more energy
And garrote is the most efficient gcd/dps skill withous ss
dark token
quad garrote isnt opener
its triple garrote CT garrote fok rupture
spam ruptures, garrote when off cd and you wont override
maintain ct
lime thorn
Yeah meant AoE Openers
lone junco
you would never g g g g g gg g in st
frosty gyro
TBH I would just go ggg ct gr
lime thorn
lol
lone junco
that 1cp rupture will suck
frosty gyro
energy isn't a facotr on 4 targets though
lone junco
but w/e
frosty gyro
Prefer to get ruptures up on everything
I wonder if they'll ever make poisoned wire a flat damage increase instad of a crit increase
onyx falcon
๐ฎ THEY FIXED SS?! (looked at the pins just now) \O/
manic stirrup
is it a good idea to use 3 archive of the titans?
supple hearth
sim it
onyx falcon
hai giggle o/
supple hearth
hullo
supple hearth
yes
stray urchin
!SS
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
uncut mango
safe matrix
I'll do it after raid
safe matrix
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
safe matrix
damnit
terse hinge
celest swan
hey question on the #tc-updates mutilate/fok usage, does the 3 target prio asume one target is more valuable? else i dont understand why i would fok for poison application but not outside of it (besides maybe the opener)
exotic glen
the apl assumes what to do for max dps output
exotic glen
right
celest swan
1 runs out, soudlnt it be more effectiv to mutilate it?
instead of fok for the chance to apply to it
if fok is still weaker overall?
i dont follow the "apply poison" logik in it (as i said besides opener maybe)
or if multiple poison run out at the same time
to be correct
harsh glacier
Mutilate instead of FoK on less tahn4 targets
its that simple
if they run out, FoK just to apply poison
then keep mutilating
as far as I understand anyways
exotic glen
thats right but im getting the feeling jรธnas understands what the post says
hes just questioning why it does what it does
celest swan
ye but #tc-updates kinda applies that i should fok even if only 1 target is missing poison
what makes no sense for me
exotic glen
and as for the answer, all i can really say is that im guessing kojiyama has tested it pretty extensively
lone junco
thought it was a why
exotic glen
it is but not about why you mutilate
its about why you fok
on 3 targets if poison runs out
exotic glen
because it doesnt make sense logically
celest swan
its a minor thing tbh, but still
lone junco
so basically, the 0 fok condition was ok at 3T but a major loss at 4t
o fok was a fairly massive gain in 2t due to the E.
the primary driver of fok vs mut was whether they had dp.
celest swan
- Use Fan of Knives any time more then 1 target doesn't have Deadly Poison at 3 targets (or 3-4 with 2+ Ranks of Double Dose), otherwise use Mutilate
would be more accurate in my understanding
lone junco
so if you are tab muting but cant keep up in the DP, you can toss a fok.
and if you are using DD it is even more to the tab muting
no one is probably going to tab mut for poison applicaion tho. so chances are we fok. every 10 sec or so just to keep the poisons rolling
maybe fok at 3cp. or something
celest swan
well i have to tab fpr ruptures and garrote anyways
manic stirrup
Does anyone know if archive of the titans stack?
lone junco
right
exotic glen
it stacks
lone junco
@celest swan most likely we are pulling more than 4, and not likely to be running dd in M+
so its still a major fok condition until shit dies anyway
frosty burrow
So they finally fixed the ss bug'
light kestrel
Holy shit, has everyone seen this?
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
lone junco
not everyone
lone junco
but thx to koji for fixing the apl for 2t-4t
frosty burrow
Woah have you guys heard, they fixed the ss bug
lone junco
it probably still doesnt ggg tho
exotic glen
fucking insane mate
celest swan
besides another question my 3 target sim uses, (G on Target 1, G on target 2, R on Target 1, G on target three) isnt it worth to use a third SS buffed Garrote o the third target?
using 3 ss traits right now
celest swan
so apl is wrong?
lone junco
apl doesnt like to overcap cps i guess.
celest swan
k
exotic glen
yeah but its wrong as you said
lone junco
i did some big brain math myself. the ggg was worth far more than a ggr in any condition i could come up with.
exotic glen
but the m+ profile isnt done yet, once its out i assume TCers will be asked to fix that
lone junco
so just be a rebel. and ggg
exotic glen
ofc it is noobe
you ever checked your dmg after any 2-3 targets pull
its like 60% garrote
lone junco
ofc i have.
lone junco
and that is post nerf.
exotic glen
ya
lone junco
pre nerf the 25k crits on vendetta were silly
exotic glen
still pretty balanced if you ask me
exotic glen
are you fucking
lone junco
I love that gif so much. and hate him so much. it is great
lone junco
take a nap
exotic glen
go back to outlaw
strange python
CT or PB this week? for m+10's
frosty gyro
Even with the bug though sin>outlaw
echo cargo
CT
exotic glen
always ct
nimble tartan
Please respect outlaw
echo cargo
Unless you're doing smaller pulls maybe and having boss damage issues
frosty gyro
Outlaw is good
echo cargo
You can just spam CT > 5 targets
frosty gyro
Sin is just really good
lone junco
was , probably will, be. not now
lone junco
oh dear god. that 4th garrote drained me
crisp shard
I heard they are looking to nerf us again, but I can't find any of the info
pastel wasp
last nights raid, spec MA - no crits
ggggggg
Heart of Azeroth
Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target.
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
FIXED
lone junco
well.
lone junco
in 4t. it is very easy to fok garrote ct/r mut garrote ct/r
with that uptime
E is through the roof. so thats nice
slate dust
๐
exotic glen
AREREARREEEEEREEE FEEXED
astral hound
POOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGGGWEEEEEERRRRSSSS
near current
WE DID IT
quaint flare
exotic glen
@lone junco hey noobe
has anyone ever told you
ss was fixed
oh shit are you still doing your dungeon
exotic glen
ss was fixed dude
lone junco
i was practicing sub for zul
exotic glen
did you win dps meters btw
lone junco
thatts what happened on host. i was like YEEEEEEEEE
vast mulch
hi rogues, does anyone remember what's the option to have details stop recording after you press a hotkey?
lone junco
combos out the ass
vast mulch
or did you have to use an specific dps meter for that, I wanna record dps but when we call a wipe I wanna stop logging
lone junco
on warcraft logs, you can filter by deaths
no reason to stop logging
eliminate all data after x deaths. i ususally stop at 3.
well shit. with 4 garrotes up and 4 ruptures and ct, pretty much E capped
guess thats neat
exotic glen
and with that amount of targets, you fok
lone junco
i was blending
exotic glen
making you not use it faster either
slate dust
Hey noobe
lone junco
right
slate dust
Link me your log
astral hound
how much better is ct, i've noticed poison bomb does like really similar dmg
lone junco
i was mut/garrote.. or mut/fok or garrote/fok
astral hound
but i might be using it wrong
slate dust
So I can study and become god
cerulean walrus
YES! SS IS FIXED
lone junco
@slate dust i am not a god. find the fight you want and look at someone around your ilvl.
astral hound
just cant get punished as hard
cerulean walrus
Inb4 they see that sin damage rises because of this fix and then nerf SS again
fast nacelle
another 40% on ss
cerulean walrus
Just change the text to say "If you use garrote, you die"
lone junco
tbh, im not mad. mut garrote. mut/fok. garrote fok. one of those guys will be ready to roll
what spec/build/fight?
slate dust
I'm pirate at the moment
daring imp
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
daring imp
BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
"Fixed a bug causing the bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation to fall off if the rogue used Garrote on another target."
TAKE THAT OFF
slate dust
But will most likely move to sin for m+ once I get ajother dagger
exotic glen
fucck sake
sick monolith
Would you brothers take Unstable flame or Gutripper in pvp?
exotic glen
muting this channel asap
lone junco
daring imp
gutripper @sick monolith
lone junco
theres a good fetid
cerulean walrus
I'm so happy guys! They finally fixed that shit
slate dust
Cheers
fast igloo
can any1 tell me what talents i should take for PvP? i think i got the wrong ones (Not the PvP Talents)
lone junco
tab all the things
cerulean walrus
Pop all the champagne and get drunk on the spam of garrotes that will follow
sick monolith
Resounding protections do not stack right?
cerulean walrus
They do
sick monolith
oh snap
cerulean walrus
Not sure if the shield has DR or not but it does stack
frosty gyro
no dr they stack
sick monolith
dat 22k shield now boyz
frosty gyro
Meanwhile @ 385 azerite gear and not having defensives
cedar meteor
can drops from warfront somthing biger than 340 ? like scaled with me itmlvl ?
lone junco
370 from the box
frosty gyro
y
cedar meteor
i was many and many and never hapend
frosty gyro
so?
exotic glen
if only i had 10 more ilvl
inland hornet
Does a 340 helmet with SS give more overall damage in m+ than a 370 one with laser matrix/archive?
humble crane
Did they buff exang? All of a sudden my exsang is outsimming TB by like 40 dps ๐
frosty gyro
@haughty flame time to switch ring enchants or gem to crit?
inland hornet
132 main stat seems quite a lot to give up
haughty flame
@frosty gyro you think i should be swapping them over to crit?
frosty gyro
I mean you just did stat weights and it says crit > haste
๐ค
I'd sim rings with crit enchants to see if turning 54 haste to 54 crit swings it
haughty flame
from top gear siming right
frosty gyro
or gear compare
strong folio
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
frosty gyro
delete this
haughty flame
how do i select it on gear compare
frosty gyro
Scroll down to the item name field on the 2nd gear set. Add a copy of youer same ring in the slot it's in, change the3 enchant
haughty flame
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restive elm
Those of you using Exsanguinate, does it sim higher for you?
frosty gyro
It won't give you stat weights but you can see if it's a dps increase
It didn't sim higher for me for a while but it was only like 10 DPS under TB so I used it anyways
I think in general it's harder to use TB to 100% of its potential compared to exsang
strong folio
Master assassin- toxic blade is the top for me
frosty gyro
And exsang sims higher for me now anyways
humble crane
Yeah exsang is higher for me now, pops my haste valuing up significantly too
strange python
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
strange python
Jebaited
brisk forum
is this fix live?
restive elm
yeah I'm only at 1100 haste, might need more for exang to sim on top
humble crane
yeah I have 1400 haste
Its only like 60 dps higher after changing so gear around and lowering my ilvl by 2
lone junco
blindside is dumb. it should jsut be a free finisher. env/rupture/ct.
its an 8k proc
like wot
flint jetty
Miss bracers execute :(
haughty flame
is it worth using CT for m+
echo geyser
So after the SS fix how many garrotes u wanna keep up on aoe? lets say 6 mobs
cold escarp
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
flint jetty
You can do the 4th now since it won't remove the SS buff to garrotes affected by subterfuge.
cold meteor
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
ebon prism
@flint jetty they fixed it? the note doesnt say that
exotic glen
they did
round harbor
yo for fetid, you think for prio add dmg subterfuge gonna be more dmg? or should i go MA and just dump on it that way
exotic glen
go to warcraftlogs.com and see what everyone else does
ebon prism
for M+ this week, are you guys going 2212233 talents?
strange hatch
not really necessary imho
exotic glen
yeah sorbitol thats pretty much the defaul setup
round harbor
yeha i se on wcl, a few MA peppered into the top logs
probly most people to lazy to switch, but idk
wanted opinions
exotic glen
yeah its almost as if i play both specs
triple SS exsang would probably fucking rape the adds but do whatever you want rawrzillasor
just remember to use one reorigination array
round harbor
... yeah ofc lol
i dont run any SS tho
my only SS shit is 340ilvl, and my raid gear is 385/385/370 for azerite
inner pecan
just go MA/TB on big add you'll be fine
exotic glen
oh i read exsang my bad
inner pecan
save vanish/vendetta for 1st and 3rd add
exotic glen
yeah ma tb
inner pecan
sin can't really do small adds because we have too much setup
if your group wants you to do small adds you need play sub
round harbor
yeah im on large adds atm
steel orbit
So SS is fixed?
exotic glen
yesยจ
inner pecan
you'll be fine with MA/TB then
round harbor
popping coolies on pull, then on 2nd set of adds with lust
inner pecan
that works as long as you guys have enough dmg on 1st/3rd
personally I was doing 1st and 3rd add
and 2nd is lust
round harbor
we should with my galecallers and fdk breaths
inner pecan
with breaths you should be fine
and I assume your locks are on big too
you'll get a 3rd vendetta on boss during dmg phase
honest iris
rotation with master assassin?
inner pecan
if you do pull/2nd add/boss
delicate gull
MA opener is Garrote -> Mutilate -> Rupture -> Vanish -> Vendetta -> TB -> Mut -> Envenom
otherwise rotation is just tb on CD while trying to pool energy for it
peak leaf
^ when do you vendetta
exotic glen
on cooldown
peak leaf
no I mean when do we vendetta to fit into that opener
delicate gull
oh yeah sry right before vanish
zealous dew
I suppose they haven't fixed SS yet
zealous dew
i know ๐
delicate gull
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
exotic glen
oh nice thx for making me pop a vein
zealous dew
but have they really fixed it or they fixed it the blizzard way
zealous dew
yeah will try tonight in some keys
peak leaf
@delicate gull Thanks!
cold patio
Wow SS got realy fixed?
cold patio
So then they could fix taloc trinket now ๐คฃ
delicate gull
they should fix ghuun trinket, feel bad for my friend with a 395 one LUL
slate dust
They fixed it but then realised you were enjoying the change incorrectly so reverted it back.
quaint flare
cold patio
Got an 390 from Taloc still trash...
dire remnant
do you guys think we're OP in pvp
strange python
@cold patio i have s 395 socketed one. Bad but still better than the lpaded dice i had at 355. Run freehold so many times and not had another one of drop since first week of m+ lol. So i have a mythic 8, 355 dice. Not had a galecaler drop yet. So the taloc one will have to do for now.
exotic glen
try asking in the pvp channel mate
humble crane
I was like, lemme farm some freehold for dice, first one I did after I said that, 380 dice -.-
strange python
@humble crane hate you :)
humble crane
There are many in my guild that do for the same reason, its ok -.-
rough sable
Raidbots is not accurately accounting for SS/Subterfuge still right? shows my DPS way lower than what im actually doing in game with the gear i have on.
heavy wren
Hi there. I am pretty new to rogue and assassination and find myself struggling to do enough DPS and I'm not really sure if I'm missing something or not. I just learned about the pandemic mechanic today which helped a little but i'm stuck around 9.5k sustained at 355 item level which i know is too low. I feel like i'm constantly energy starved and using most of my resources to maintain garrote and rupture and I know i'm doing something wrong with the rotation but I can't seem to nail it down. Once my vendetta is gone I just seem to fall apart waiting for energy. Anyone have suggestions?
slender hare
@rough sable got buffs off? Raidbots should be pretty accurate
rough sable
its possible im not accurately setting up the sim. ill look at that now.
strong dome
Are you using poison ๐ค
strong dome
That doesnt matter
exotic glen
the fucking sim doesnt care if you remembered poisons
also what the fuck do we need your sim for
strong dome
Why are you so mad cargo
shrewd pine
yea cargo, W U mad
exotic glen
because im an extremely desensitized grumpy fuck who has answered a lot of questions
so when someone that says they dont do good enough dps and then doesnt show me what they are doing
but then link their sims
i just ask myself "why"
heavy wren
you just asked me to link the sims dude
strong dome
Also, you're the one who asked him to link sim
exotic glen
i told Ydomat to link his sims
obsidian ruin
rough sable
๐
rough sable
@heavy wren i would suggest using Vigor if you arent using SS>
strong dome
If you're tired of answering questions then just stop answering them, no need to be an asshole about it
heavy wren
well if anyone would be willing to work with me i can try to get you any info, i haven't raided in wow since like 2010 and none of this stuff existed so i'm trying to figure it all out. preferably someone who isn't going to rip my throat off in a channel literally meant for spec discussions.
I am using vigor
daring imp
padding was real on h ghuun lul
rough sable
sometimes all it take to calm down is a deep breathe ๐
prisma wind
it's all good, just don't feel the need to respond if people keep asking questions you've seen a bunch. they have no way of knowing that, haha. I know it's annoying but you also can take a break, you don't have to take the hit yoursel ๐
the tongue smiley really undercuts my message
strange python
@heavy wren ill help you mate
Helped a few people go from blue or purple to orange
Send me a pm and ill help you once i have dropped the misses to work
heavy wren
Thank you, appreciate it.
strange python
Are you eu or us ?
exotic glen
i like swearing, helps deal with the emotional trauma so that i can continue helping people and i can see them get happy again
heavy wren
US, on Thrall
strange python
K. If it was eu would have took you on a target dummt date :p
exotic glen
i can help you right here right now if you have a log to show channing
heavy wren
I shot you a PM with our warcraftlog
jolly lodge
TB vs Exsang is there any guideline when to pick either one or simply a matter of siming with current gear? (looking at m+ leaderboards most if not all are playing with exsang)
jolly lodge
thanks!
exotic glen
anytime dude
grim valley
Why would it be useless? Still buff to dmg to priotarget
exotic glen
it buffs nature damage
daring imp
exotic glen
and the only nature damage you would use against packs would be deadly poison
grim valley
I mean, let's say we do a pack of 3-4 adds, we still envenom prio target or nah? We CT anyway?
Plus rupt obv
exotic glen
you keep ruptures up and use CT when under 2 seconds of duration
then after that you dump with env
rough sable
Exsang does all your active bleeds. So if you are using garrote a d rupture on multiple targets like you should be exsang will do better every time.
exotic glen
but you would still have to tb > fok/mut > envenom
grim valley
Alright so not many env available thrre
exotic glen
and then redo your dots
ydomat
exsan only works on the target you use it on
its not aoe
rough sable
Thatโs what I meant. >.> itโs late for me.
Heh.
Thanks for setting me straight and not going getting triggered like you did with Channing ๐
grim valley
Cargo, for how many adds do you consider CT > all, means not refreshing rupt on every add
exotic glen
8+
slender hare
if they live long enough you should always have 2-3 ruptures rolling, but you can generally spam CT at 6-8+ targets
heavy wren
So the only log I have right now is heroic g'huun: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mRrxjgtvWFh7zQD6/#fight=last
grim valley
Nice thanks
lost tree
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/98pXTpQWFD2mK1hNixgk7A
thats okay i guess
exotic glen
you'd dot the main target ofc
the energy regen is needed, on average that would make you cast more CTs than just straight up spamming CT
also ghuun is a fucked boss to analyze
tribal lark
3 min sim
exotic glen
the fight is a mishmash of damage profiles and afk mechanics
slender hare
its a bad one to analyze, but i can already see a lot of mistakes
you open with FoK for some reason
and dont really see you using garrote
heavy wren
i was a runner
slender hare
not much
well you shouldnt be as a sin rogue lol
outlaw/sub are much better as runners
grim valley
It's a detail but, would u CT rup rup rup CT CT etc.., or rup rup rup CT CT etc..
heavy wren
yeah they asked me to run the first orb so i use fok to break the slows on my way up to catch the first pass.
slender hare
cant really use that log to analyze then
heavy wren
I just did what they wanted
the other logs from the night before are kinda screwed too because I had no gear. I just hit 120 on Sunday and wasn't expecting to raid on the rogue. Usually I raid cross server with them on my DH but they wanted me to make a character so I can go into mythics
exotic glen
i shouldnt have apologized for being rude
this is easily the weirdest thing i've seen
tardy shuttle
vanish is a dps cooldown, and you aren't using it. you envenomed the cyclopean terror 4 before rupturing it as well
untold patrol
Hi guys,
exotic glen
he pressed fok 7 times in a row, and you are worried about his vanish usage?
heavy wren
I learned about the vanish/subterfuge and pandemic mechanics this morning
fok is from when I started the fight running the orbs to clear the slow
slender hare
what would probably benefit you the most atm is thoroughly read the Ravenholdt guide
untold patrol
need some help with 3 raid bosses Zekvos, Vectis and Zul on heroic. I'm doing only green parse on them
slender hare
and watch som sin vids
shut magnet
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
exotic glen
what lauritz said
shut magnet
Didn't I read a patch note saying that it's patched?
exotic glen
read the guide before doing anything else
yeah but mods havent gotten around to removing the command
exotic glen
the hotfix should have been implemented yesterday
shut magnet
I will try tonight. It's feeling good tho.
slender hare
yea
exotic glen
@untold patrol im reading your zul log
untold patrol
thanks.
untold patrol
you mean vendetta?
exotic glen
you played sub on zul
untold patrol
oh yea
high siren
vendetta is 2mins
untold patrol
ignore that zul
cause its sub
knew my mistake there and heroic there is always trigger happy warrior around
exotic glen
my brain is fucking fried
edgy latch
ZUL DOWN BOYZ
exotic glen
i think i just need to stop
exotic glen
mythic?
edgy latch
y
exotic glen
gz brutha
high siren
yeah gj boi
exotic glen
did you pad like a champ?
untold patrol
gratz
edgy latch
it's really weird
i finished at 38k
i was at 1500 mastery
our alt rogue was at 1200 mastery
we finished at same dps
but we played EXACTLY the same
checking the cast timeline is identical
exotic glen
crit is insanely valuable as well
edgy latch
same amount of casts throughout the fight
untold patrol
he crits more during SD
exotic glen
i was having a lot of pulls where our alt rogues actually ended up doing more dps than me right
but i would have average 2-3 apm more than them
untold patrol
RNG crits on ST
exotic glen
so over the course of the entire fight i'd have 5+ more evis than them
exotic glen
first dance is so fucking good
edgy latch
bur my total crit dmg was still higher
exotic glen
that alone could explain how he did more
exotic glen
you private log? damn
edgy latch
its to keep ppl from padding
and just focus on prog
public once we hit farm
oh shit this is sin channel
slender hare
lul
civic palm
lol
exotic glen
lolz
slender hare
tbh we are all sub rogues on Zul
untold patrol
lol
autumn night
should i run mark over vigor in m+
untold patrol
BTW the other rogue manage 3 shadowstrike
exotic glen
yeah you dont refresh it
and IF you do its because you vanish > ss because there are no adds to pad on
exotic glen
you are wrong
modest zodiac
exotic glen
definitely not
untold patrol
very identical logs
untold patrol
you have higher mastery than him?
untold patrol
i guess his 2nd azu ring makes up for the total damage done?
untold patrol
while i think ur 2nd ring is all on boss
edgy latch
sounds reasonable
my traits on high ilvl azerite is shit
optimized my traits by running patchwerk 6 bosses
untold patrol
anyway grats on downing M zul
edgy latch
haha ty
untold patrol
its a fun fight imo
untold patrol
seeing huge evis number
untold patrol
nice
exotic glen
im so glad that every kill we had on zul so far were good attempts for me
when all the wipes were bad haha
dusk sun
are traits bettter than ilvl
high siren
is blue better than red
dusk sun
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quick void
Yo fellas
It seems that applying SS on more than 3 targets have now been fixed
Hotfix yesterday says so if I am reading correctly
Does that mean SS is now more viable?
dusk sun
I dont recall when it was never viable
summer parcel
guys you think a 370 frenetic corpuscle beats a 355 harlanders loaded dice?
quick void
I'd say its not viable singletarget atm.
summer parcel
sims show frenetic as bad but i've seen alot of mythic raiding rogues use frenetic
quick void
Comparing it to Archive/Laser matrix (in raids) and Double Dose
SS will pretty much always lose
But having 2-3 stacks and doing M+ as a living, SS should be better.
dusk sun
if ur not using subterfuge ofc
summer parcel
any1?
dusk sun
bloodmallet doesnt include talents into account i think
quick void
Yea Im not just talking bloodmallet, Im talking realtime as I've experienced it
I do much more dmg with Archive atm than with SS
quick void
Archive, DD, Blightborne